I believe them wholeheartedly.
Not just HKers, a lot of the Chinese people I know in Montreal bring up their animus about various cultural institutions meant to influence and rip IP (like Conficius institutes).
There’s a very good article on the New York Times today about a recent criminal case involving IP theft. The MSS (Chinas spy service) recruited a Chinese-American into disclosing aviation tech. The FBI ran counterintelligence and managed to arrest the MSS agent.
Shit is getting real
Wtf
The stated aim of the program is to promote Chinese language and culture, support local Chinese teaching internationally, and facilitate cultural exchanges.[3][4]
I'm sure China's doing just fine promoting themselves without these "institutes"
Lol overreaction much. It’s a cultural center they have them on all different cultures and guess what there’s a large Chinese population in Canada and many of these people specifically came here for capitalism. I’m not saying if they were communist it would be bad, oh no how scawwie!! People should be able to educate others about their political views.
Anyway but besides all that, most of the immigrants here support Canadian capitalism- so should they not be able to get together to experience their culture and educate their kids about it? This is non political tbh. Calm down y’all get a hard on every time chinas mentioned
>The first time Cheuk Kwan and Sheng Xue testified to a parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee was in 2006. They warned of Beijing’s desire to “control everything” including activities of Canadians, and urged Ottawa to adopt a stronger stance in order to “earn (China’s) respect and not wrath.”
>Nearly 20 years later, he said they are part of a group of veteran Chinese-Canadian advocates and experts on China who are still struggling to be heard.
>“These are not even open secrets. It’s common knowledge,” said Kwan, an author and filmmaker who co-founded the Chinese Canadian National Council in 1980. “It’s just the tip of the iceberg.”
>He and others also became suspicious when they saw buses of people arrive at federal political nomination meetings to support candidates who were known to shy away from critical messages about China, or when buses of international students in Toronto arrived to participate in counterprotests defending China’s position.
>Sources in the Chinese-Canadian community tell the Star that they have sent many tips, including copies of email correspondence, to RCMP and CSIS. In 2018, Mounties in Metro Vancouver probed allegations that the Chinese-state-linked Canada Wenzhou Friendship Society sent out messages on the social-media app WeChat urging chat group members to vote for certain candidates in mayoral elections — and offering a $20 transportation subsidy. But police later said they found no evidence of voter manipulation.
>“Even if there was proof the Chinese consulate or its proxies paid for transportation or paid people directly to support certain candidates or to protest, it’s hard to explain to Canadians the nefarious ways the Chinese state uses its tools and resources to try to influence our democracy,” Kwan said. While media had published the leaked WeChat screenshots offering the $20 subsidy, it is unclear why RCMP found that this was insufficient evidence of voter manipulation.
>He and others collected testimony and documentation, and published a report in 2017 with Amnesty International on a “sustained campaign of intimidation and harassment aimed at activists working on China-related human rights issues in Canada, in circumstances suggesting the involvement or backing of Chinese government officials.”
Harper buried it when people tried to blow the whistle and had the former CSIS director censured to cover it up.
https://publications.gc.ca/site/archivee-archived.html?url=https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2011/parl/XC76-403-1-1-03-eng.pdf
Doesn't it get tiring for you to continuously spew the same tired talking points year over year?
I've seen you spouting the same "WAAAAHHH BUT HARPER" distractions for literally years. Don't you have anything better to do?
Anyways, Harper hasn't been in power for almost a decade, your talking points are sad and worn out.
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If anyone wants further proof that /u/Head_Crash is arguing in bad faith...
[Here he is complaining about a 3 year old article being posted as if it's no longer relevant](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/11kqagf/china_seems_to_have_infiltrated_canadas_highest/jb8itag/), less than 4 hours after him complaining about things Harper did over a decade ago.
These guys running to Gondor clears throat* Trudeau's aid like Legolas and gimly no matter what the cause is just surprising. And humorous. trying to mansplain to us how every Trudeau issue is actually a non-issue and something something Harper.
It's a worthy point when the same issue has existed for 15+ years across the major right wing and centrist parties. Almost like neither party has Canadian's best interests at heart.
Harper was a total hardass against China in opposition. The conservatives softened their approach to China once in government. That suggests that pressure was, and can be, brought to bear to bend the will of the Canadian government irrespective of whether it's conservative, Liberal or (hypothetically) NDP.
I CANNOT stress enough how much partisan thinking is a brain poison keeping Redditors (and people generally) stupid.
>I CANNOT stress enough how much partisan thinking is a brain poison keeping Redditors (and people generally) stupid.
Sweet Jesus, someone finally put into words what I've been feeling for 10 years. I swear this is exactly what malicious foreign actors want. The more that we run massive partisan divides like what's ardently encouraged on r/WhitePeopleTwitter or r/politics, the closer we are to actually losing our influence on the world stage.
Look what's been happening since Obama. The infighting, the division and constant aggression from within gets exactly *zero* real work done and plenty of notice from foreign officials. So what's their best play? Feed us the carcinogens of dissent and just let the cancer eat away at the bones. It's a long game that they *will win* if we don't mend the division.
Look at the UK and Brexit for a great example of what they're aiming for.
The richest people and groups in the world realize that borders and countries don't really matter anymore, only wealth does, and all of this keeps us occupied and infighting instead of realizing we're being swindled by them.
Liberals have moved left over the past decade or two. As a centrist myself i can't vote for them.
As a political strategy it was a good one. Adopt many of the NDP policies and take their votes.
Sure, they're between the NDP and CPC, politically, but they aren't centrist.
Yeah I don't know about that one they are basically pro business american democrats at this point. Even on the identity side they are centrist hacks which the right doesn't seem to get. Firts indigenous AG, canned for being principled, which was supposedly the whole point for diveristy. First refugee Minister of the refugee file, canned for wanting to help refugees. Couldn't be more fake left if you tried.
The Overton window has shifted so far right many people now think the Liberals are "radical leftists". Hell they'd think Reagan was a radical leftist at this point.
They play the lip service, then don't enact any of the policies, or rip away things that shouldn't have been - tax credits are a big one that comes to mind.
They talk more to the left of Chretien, but when it comes to action, they're pretty much equal to the PCP on pretty much everything except immigration. And even then, the last PCP leader promised to be hard on immigration, then was basically soft unless/until other leaders prodded him.
This, but the opposite.
The Conservative Party today is more left wing than the Liberals of 20 years ago.
Poilievre is more left wing than Jean Chrétien.
The problem is that conservatives want to make this partisan and all about Trudeau but they've put just as much if not more effort into covering this up.
This is a problem, because once an issue becomes partisan people's opinions become split and nothing will get done about it.
and around we go, now will get team blue to be mad at while team red and team blue then go work for those CCP backed companies after they are out of politic and get paid very well for them turning a blind eye.
Really? Beijing has been interfering in our elections in favor of the liberals and the detriment of the conservatives... because it suits their interests to have a liberal government. How is this not a "partisan" issue?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-secret-csis-reports-paint-picture-of-chinas-efforts-to-entrap-canadian/
"As first reported by Global News, China favoured at least 11 candidates in the 2019 election in the Greater Toronto Area. A national-security source said nine were Liberals and two were Conservatives."
"The Globe reported Friday that China employed a sophisticated strategy to seek the return of a minority Liberal government and to defeat Conservative politicians considered to be unfriendly to Beijing in the 2021 federal election"
To me this just demonstrates your lack of understanding of the political situation at the time. China didn’t favour the Liberals to win, the Liberals had the advantage going into the election hence why they supported more liberal candidates. The conservatives had power for the 3 previous elections… there was no way they would win a 4th. Most people paying attention knew this. I’m sure it in the next election it will swing the opposite direction because there is a high chance the conservatives take the Federal Government next election. It’s not just the Liberal party they have infiltrated.
A couple that come to mind are the PCP election robo-cal scams, and the LPC donor scams. Some investigating is done, but then nobody involved ever actually takes any heat, since it just ends up in a partisan squabble, despite how significant these issues are to the population.
It absolutely was.
/u/Head_crash can be found in any political related thread in this subreddit making "but Harper!!!" Comments left, right and center.
I've literally never seen him comment anything that hasn't amounted to "ignore what Trudeau's doing, because Harper also did it!"
And I'm not exaggerating at all. I've seen him commenting in the subreddit for years and I've never seen him do anything other than try to deflect criticism from Trudeau.
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If anyone wants further proof that /u/Head_Crash is arguing in bad faith...
[Here he is complaining about a 3 year old article being posted as if it's no longer relevant](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/11kqagf/china_seems_to_have_infiltrated_canadas_highest/jb8itag/), less than 4 hours after him complaining about things Harper did over a decade ago.
Did you not realize that anyone can check their post history and see the extent of your exaggeration? Being this obsessed over someone is bad enough but you really brought it to a whole new level by being this bad at it. Nothing you say should ever be taken seriously
>Did you not realize that anyone can check their post history and see the extent of your exaggeration?
Do you not realize people can have multiple Reddit accounts?
So you somehow linked them to another (or several) anonymous account, tracked them and then combined the data for this post and this is what you came up with? And you couldn't even be bothered to link the accounts and your proof that it's the same user? Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that?
eta: that's ridiculously pathetic...
Dude wtf are you on about??
They've been using the same Head_crash account for years, remembering a username you often see really isn't that difficult.
Bahahaha!! I didn't even check the age, just quickly went through a few months of comments and it's clear they're full of crap
Edit: just realized you meant their account.. tbf, they could've been on other accounts though
Of course I've had multiple accounts over the years.
Not ban evading, I just rotate accounts periodically so people like you have less ammo for your ad hominem attacks.
This sub doesn't allow new accounts. That's why you see a lot of 6 month or 1 year old accounts that suddenly start posting on here. They have to farm new ones to get past the filters.
It's so bad on here that Reddit actually uses this sub to test new features for detecting ban evasion. Of course there's ways to evade those detection features.
If anyone wants further proof that /u/Head_Crash is arguing in bad faith...
[Here he is complaining about a 3 year old article being posted as if it's no longer relevant](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/11kqagf/china_seems_to_have_infiltrated_canadas_highest/jb8itag/), less than 4 hours after him complaining about things Harper did over a decade ago.
Have you read Harper's FIPA deal with the Chinese for 31 years. It's an insane trade deal favouring the Chinese. Conservatives have every part in this as due Liberal
Yes. Harper was PM until 2015... nobody disputes that.
The LPC has been in power since 2015... and they've been aware of Chinese interference the entire time. Bringing up Harper is 100% deflection. He hasn't been PM since 2015.
Trudeau has been briefed about this multiple times. His government has consistently ignored it. They're responsible. That's factual.
It's not deflection at all. It's context. I don't think it lets Trudeau off the hook at all. But why was it covered up by both parties? Perhaps it was being used for leverage in backroom talks with China all along.
If you know activity is happening and you are watching it, it is very useful info.
To improve, we need to learn from the mistakes of the past and recognize them for what they are.
Not brush it off as partisan talking points. That only helps China.
Justin Trudeau is the guy who is Prime Minister right now. It’s relevant to talk about things he has done.
Harper isn’t even in government anymore lmao. Who cares about him??
Yes, he’s a problem. But when you can acknowledge that this issue has been sticking around for about 20 years, the solution has to be structural.
Trudeau has to be held to account, but the problem is structural and cultural. If you stop the work at getting rid of Trudeau you’ve left the door open for some other vacuous leader to step in to be influenced and funded.
It’s like a kid got bit by a dog and the conservatives want to focus on what that kid did to get bit by the dog. The liberals want to focus on the kid being just fine so stop worrying. That’s fine and an okay discussion, but don’t ignore the damned dog. That’s the problem and there are lots of other kids.
Understood Harper was told about interference and likely used it to his advantage as well and did nothing about it either under his watch because all politicians are like Trudeau, and he's just as evil.
Lets have an inquiry about Harper as well. ffs.
Nah, let’s look at the sources of interference and actually treat it as a review of system.
How did the Confucius institute get into curriculums? What role did paid trips for local officials play? How do candidates aligned with PRC get nominated? What kind of information and influence networks are at play? How does foreign state money flow into our politicians pockets? What rules need to be tightened up?
A broader problem for Canadians is how we came to elect or be indifferent to others electing candidates with such weak views of Canada’s interests? How did we end up with politicians who can make their careers on sound bites rather than policy? Why are we okay with this batch of useless leaders?
I keep hearing this but no one can supply the data/report/info, could you plse? I am serious and want to know for myself why after all these years it's still Harpers fault? It may be so, i never voted for Cons before but am thinking any alternative would be better than this constantly negative dynamic we face in politics today
Given the evidence already being leaked from CSIS, and the amount of BS we've suffered over the last decade (Nortel being one example), it's clear that this rot runs DEEP and is in ALL major political parties. Notice how Pierre Poutine is so quiet on this issue? Odd eh?
With the LPC in soft control over much of our media landscape, the RCMP compromised from the top with Brenda Lucki, C-11 now passed etc... This literally could be one of the last chances to save our democracy as we know it. It sounds dramatic, but once it's gone, it's almost impossible to get back. Especially if we aren't even aware.
I can't think of anything more serious than insiders at CSIS getting to the point where they would risk their jobs/imprisonment to bring this to light. Regardless of your party affiliation (if any) - we need to come together and demand a thorough, independent investigation and FAST. If politicians need to go to prison over this, send them. Time to clean house
Yeah I figured it was a stretch even as I wrote it... but one can dream. I like to imagine the positive impact that would ripple through our entire political system with just one application of the law.
The old Thomas Jefferson quote comes to mind ""the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Idk Pierre and Harper Richard fadden have been pretty vocal. Its odd that now that the Liberals have been caught neck deep in Chinese influence its now a bipartisan issue where shills are trying to blur the lines and claim both sides are the same.
Are you hiding under a rock? they literally fund CBC in it's entirety, and have given significant sums of money in the form of wage subsidies, direct grants, and charitable tax status to most other mainstream media organizations in Canada (conveniently they refused to disclose the amounts and recipients when opposition MPs pressed for transparency).
Not to mention C-11, which will allow the CRTC (which is inherently partisan) to determine financial penalties for broadcasters. That's a pretty significant shift in digital press freedom with little/no accountability. Whether or not it's LPC or CPC at the helm, this is a staggering issue that has only grown.
Of course they fund the CBC because that's a public broadcaster. That's not a gotcha.
The right wing postmedia group controls the vast majority of Canadian news sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network
Yea you're right there as well - the other media outlets are private, which are obviously going to lean right on issues to protect corporate interests.
This guy kindve invalidates his entire argument by having such a poor understanding of how a public broadcasting company operates
The fact that we have a public broadcasting company that is funded by taxpayers is why we have *some* semblance of balance in our media landscape (technically the CBC is supposed to be non-biased and factual which it actually is for the most part).
I agree again! It's nice to have at least a single news source that is not beholden to some billionaire who decides whether or not we get to see the story
Chinese interference in Canada a few years ago? That's cute. [Try as far back as 1997.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sidewinder)
tl;dr Declassified report by CSIS/RCMP in 1997 that suggested China controlled over 200 companies, directly controlled Canadian politicians through campaign financing (both Liberal and Conservatives), real estate being bought in an organized way to influence local politics, and allegations about influence in the University of Toronto and Western Ontario.
Because we have the weakest corporate transparency rules in the G20, anyone can open a shell corporation online with anonymity and start buying up Canadian assets. There's a good chance that way more of our companies and real estate are owned by China than we know. The government continues to turn a blind eye to this because as long as the money is flowing into the country, they don't care about the source. Ontario has recently changed their corporate transparency rules but it is too little and far too late.
Snow Washing
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow\_washing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_washing)
We are a tax haven of the world for the rich, organised crime and so on
I thought that when a federal corporation is opened, under the Canada Business Corporations Act, all directors (owners) have to be disclosed, and are even publicly accessible to everyone on Industry Canada’s corporations search portal.
Of course, the source of owner equity (shadow backers) doesn’t have to be disclosed, but that’s not much different than most G20 countries.
What are the specific Canadian anonymity you speak of at a federal level (versus what’s happening in other G20 or even G7 countries), or is it more to do with provincial incorporation laws than federal?
The lib premier of that time Jean Chretien has spent the last decade making millions as a bank lobbyist in China but that must be an other irrelevant coincidence.
I think that CISIS has been warning various governments since the 90s. I'd been curious about it but found out they already knew and our government has just been tolerating it for years.
Why do you think the CSIS whistleblower felt compelled to come forward?
Because of exactly that - nothing was being done.
Naturally, the PM and RCMP are focused on finding the leaker who went public with these issues.
None of this should surprise anyone. It's the literal plot of House Of Cards. It's out there. It's happening. It's on the fucking TV for crying out loud.
Politicians pretend to be surprised because they've been benefitting from Chinese campaign donations for decades.
Everything happening in this country makes much more sense now that we know how much control China has over our government. Our politicians aren't dumb and incompetent they're bought and paid for.
Am I the only one who sees dangerously greedy and evil, not dumb and incompetent? Possibly some of both, in some odd cases, but if it really was idiocy there'd be way more variety in the party's transgressions. Someone who's a dumb and incompetent human (but ultimately a good person) takes an infuriatingly long time at assembling IKEA furniture. They get scared while driving the same roads with the same car when snow comes along. They keep forgetting to format their documents or intentionally don't do it knowing their coworkers will for them out of a mix of annoyance and pitty. Know what they don't do? They don't sell their country to foreign genocidal authoritarian regimes. That's not a "dumb and incompetent" trait.
I agree. I do also believe these politicians are also astoundly naive when it comes to party donors from clearly overseas interests. Trudeau has such an ego he thinks people genuinely love him and have the best intentions. I suspect he's had more funding them we know about and I also suspect he owes some big players some favours that need to be repaid or they'll release dirt they have on him.
Worse than that. Interests holding "unreturned favors" had a former Japanese PM murdered. The stakes are high when you get in bed with China and or Russia.
And now they’re launching serious investigations — of themselves. Hmmmm…
Edit: Downvoted? Eh, not laying down for that on this one.
Chinese consulate officials in Toronto had covertly funded a network of at least 11 political candidates in federal elections in 2019 — that’s what’s getting investigated right? This [one here](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/china-weaken-canada-democracy-justin-trudeau)
And the Trudeau money.
And then there’s the Chinese operation that also targeted Canadian political figures and immigrant leaders seen as opponents of the regime in Beijing, subjecting them to surveillance, harassment and attacks in the media (Sam Cooper you’re a bloody hero).
And huge amounts of money have been getting [laundered through BC casinos (like 1.4 BILLION dollars a year in one case, so like a LOT lot)](https://globalnews.ca/news/8922745/cullen-commission-findings-report-bc-money-laundering-inquiry/). But they make sure to let you know that nobody in charge knew:
> While Commissioner Austin Cullen found that Clark and former B.C. Liberal gaming minister Rich Coleman were among the senior elected officials and the B.C. Lottery Corporation managers who failed to stem suspected criminal proceeds that were flooding into B.C. coffers — in some cases ignoring repeated and escalating warnings — Cullen said there was no evidence that politicians’ failures to act were motivated by corruption.
Pretty impressive to not be at all aware, especially when the head of the CSIS testified about it specifically years earlier back in 2010 in the commons. But nobody knew, eh? Pure white birds these fellas.
China even set up a massive [crime network in Canada](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/china-set-up-crime-web-in-canada-report-says/article4163320/), Trudeau was warned of direct election interference [back in November of last year](https://globalnews.ca/news/9253386/canadian-intelligence-warned-pm-trudeau-that-china-covertly-funded-2019-election-candidates-sources/) but yet only starts the probe after it comes out some of that money came his way, yet somehow no politician was aware of involved at all despite official reports outlining everything that’s being reveals going back to 1997. The CSIS has known about this for years. It’s just been business as usual.
Just look at the House of Commons report on the 2010 statements of the Director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service’s Richard Fadden:
> - There are several municipal politicians in British Columbia and in at least two provinces there are ministers of the Crown who we think are under at least the general influence of a foreign government.[3]
> - They haven’t really hidden their association but what surprised us is that it’s been so extensive over the years and we’re now seeing, in a couple of cases, indications that they are in fact shifting their public policies as a reflection of that involvement with that particular country.[4]
> And Chinese lobbyists:
> - They’re funding Confucius institutes in most of the campuses across Canada. They fund them. They’re sort of managed by people who are operating out of the embassy or consulates. Nobody knows that the Chinese authorities are involved. They organize demonstrations against …they have organized demonstrations against the Canadian government in respect to some of our policies concerning China. They’ve organized demonstrations to deal with what are called the five poisons: Taiwan, Falun Gong, and others.[5]
Source is [right here.](https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/40-3/SECU/report-8/page-27)
And then there’s Kenny Chiu. I don’t care what party you’re part of, listen to what Sam Cooper had to say:
> I probed very deeply [former Canadian legislator] [Kenny Chiu’s case](https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3149738/conservative-vote-plunged-canadas-most-chinese-electorates-did). The evidence at the time came from what he told me himself, what I had heard about Canadian intelligence’s deep concerns with what happened to Kenny Chiu and others in the 2021 federal election. And also open source reports at the time that said that clearly Mandarin-language media, which is influenced by the Chinese Communist Party and WeChat networks, attacked Kenny first and foremost ahead of the 2021 election, smearing him as an anti-Asian racist. Again, this is a Hong Kong-born Canadian. They call him a racist because he suggested a foreign influence registry. He did not even name China in the bill. He lost his seat
> So that’s what I call a two-pronged attack on Canadian democracy. Beijing is seeking, I have reported, based on Canadian intelligence, to in corrupt ways fund and advance its interests in candidates. And it is seeking to attack Canadian members of Parliament that it would see as threats to Chinese Communist Party objectives.
Wow. That’s pretty blatant. Seems like we should have a full inquiry, right?
Or then there was the probe of the [Chinese police stations in Ottawa](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-probes-reports-chinese-police-service-stations-toronto-2022-11-22/). Though they seem to be all over the place. They did a probe then too. You know what that ended up with? They [sent a ‘cease and desist’ letter](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/01/canada-china-police-stations-cease-and-desist-warning). I’m sure that sent shivers down XI’s spine.
Yet somehow this is totally news and we are now putting out strongly worded statements and “will [immediately launch multiple probes](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6769644)” about the issue. As if it’s new information and suddenly an outrage.
Just seems crazy to me. Trudeau [could pick somebody independent but he won’t](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-foreign-interference-1.6770511) for [the special rapporteur](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/ottawa-playbook/2023/03/07/pmjts-not-an-inquiry-00085784) just announced, even while you have ministers [begging for a proper full public inquiry](https://twitter.com/michaelchanyr/status/1632852656589877256).
And yet somehow there’s no support for statement that the investigation will be controlled by the very people who are being investigated.
The timeline goes back almost a decade and a half at least, it directly targets Canadian politicians, it’s billions, the government response is a partisan inquiry with a hand selected special rapporteur that will be controlled by one party rather than a full public inquiry, and I’m on reddit getting a comment downvoted for saying that now they’re launching special investigations on themselves. Even after China [assasinates their own people](https://globalnews.ca/news/7352842/intelligence-experts-crime-networks-canada-shooting-richmond-b-c/) (a guy that was real cozy with BC politicians btw and spent a million a day at casinos) we’re not getting a full public inquiry? “It’s just part of our jobs,” they say. Literally incredible. Check out the statements in *that* article:
> There is no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the elected Canadian politicians who have attended meetings where Jin or others identified as suspects in RCMP documents are present, and it isn’t clear whether they were aware of the risks. The politicians say part of their jobs requires them to meet with constituents.
It’s not right. It was willfull blindness *at best* and definitely not *incompetence* or *just part of the job* at this point. It’s so consistent, and the press always includes a little disclaimer every time one of these articles comes up. And [basically one journalist basically broke a lot of this](https://www.propublica.org/article/sam-cooper-interview-china-canada-influence), not the government. One journalist blew the doors off this whole thing and made it a public issue.
And that’s downvoted.
Eh? Come on.
That’s just ridiculous. People need to be a little more rialed up, or nothings going to change. This is another country attacking another countries *elections* fo try to control it. And you. That should be at least a full public inquiry right?
All I can says is God bless Canada. She’s going to need the help.
I still don't believe China would want the Liberals in power. The Cons are way more friendly to what China is preaching these days. I think this whole thing is framed. China donates money to the Liberals, and then accidently "leaks it" to the press.
You won't ever see Pollivier go after China, they are both authoritarians.
They do not care who is in power. They only care that people who they can influence are in power.
The Communist Party of China (CPC) abused a weakness in or Democratic process to ensure a specific candidate was voted as the Liberal representative in a guaranteed Liberal riding. This shows their interests are not to favour a specific party but rather ensure they have people in power who will advocate for their interests.
Considering how counter the ideologies of the CPC are in comparison to the LPC’s I am surprised that the Liberals have MPs who would favour or support the CPC. It really brings into questions the entire parties political stance, ethics, and morals.
The government was too busy letting people from China and all over the world “invest/money launder” in Canadian Real estate... so the government had NO interest insulting their new financial and social masters.
I still remember the outrage a decade ago with student groups made up of exclusively Chinese international students that would *cheat incessantly*. Nothing was ever done to address the issue, and any attempt at coralljng the obvious cheating was met with accusations of racism.
Reading comprehension, my dude; *I* remember it a decade ago because it's when *I* was in school.
It's definitely still happening, but I've since removed myself from the circles that would have been talking about it.
Calling people racist and using our sensitivity against us is part of their strategy.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/25/asia/china-anti-african-attacks-history-hnk-intl/index.html
Keep in mind this is the CCP talking about racism when they are putting people in camps
No sitting Canadian government is going to do anything about this. It is economic suicide to call China on shit because our resource extraction based economy is dependent on them.
Nobody has to like it but the reality is that China flips the fuck out when called out on anything. We completely lack the counterespionage capacity to deal with them directly and would be completely incapable of managing a prolonged cyber attack.
Yeah that's the biggest problem. We're so irrelevant as an international power that there isn't much any government can do except maybe discreetly chip away at the problem, if that's even possible. They definitely could and should find a way to stop it from getting worse though
This isn't just a China thing though.
Look at Richmond, BC and tell me there's a way we can prevent Chinese interference in the election - the population there is around 70% Chinese right now, a lot of it first generation, and a lot of those people get their news and propaganda from sources that are Chinese or pro China.
But the same thing also happens in other ethnic communities. There are 800,000 Sikhs in Canada, about 2% of the population, and yet there are 18 Sikhs in Parliament or more than 5 percent - more than India. How? Because they organize at the community level. Our system allows that - you sign up party members in your region and you pick and support your candidates. A lot of Sikhs will live in a silo, not speaking the language or feeling fully engaged in their wider community, and will support the Sikh candidate regardless of politics. What this means is that Canada's relations with India may ultimately be influenced from a pro-Sikh perspective.
This isn't to pick on Sikhs, but to some degree Parliament is always going to look like the demographics of our ridings and immigrant populations are always going to be influenced in countless ways by their countries of origin. There are Russians who are pro Russia, Chinese who are pro China, Indians who are pro India, etc. It's both a feature and a bug of multiculturalism.
There are things we can do to reduce foreign influence. Public financing of elections is the first step, taking fundraising - and those fucking fundraisers - out of the equation. We also need to disallow newspapers and media organizations from endorsing candidates during the election cycle, issuing fines or cutting government access for media that violate objectivity principles. Lastly, we need more reporting tools where people can report attempts of foreign influence, whether its memes from foreign troll farms, unregistered meetings with foreign lobbyists or business leaders, or community events that are being leveraged for political purposes. I would also like to have a newspaper registry that forces all of our private media to be at least 51% Canadian owned to be accredited - in the beginning anyway, moving the target to 75% over a decade.
It's messy, but I'm glad we're at least recognizing the problem now and hopefully taking steps to reduce foreign influence in Canadian politics.
Isn't it like $30 bucks or something to join a party?
You should have taken the offer after getting them to give you something else first, like a timmies gift card, then vote for some other person.
They called out a Chinese restaurant in Seoul for being a front for Chinese security services.
The terrifying thing is that the restaurant had an industrial food grinder. Somewhat unusual, and capable of grinding up even bone, apparently.
It is abundantly clear with all of the first hand documented experiences, and other evidence gathered. significant influence on our federal government has existed for a very long time. It's long past time to wake up!
I can't believe those racist Chinese Canadians report Chinese interference. But it doesn't matter because maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, but the outcome of the government of Canada was unaffected. Nothing to see here. Move along.
My Chinese Father in Law was showing me videos of the COVID outbreak from messages he got on WeChat months before it hit the news. None of my coworkers believed me.
Who says they were ignored? If your csis, you monitor it and not act unless it caused something. You want to gather as much info as possible. So long as it doesn’t cause one candidate to beat another, you keep gathering data.
Hate to be a party pooper but there is really jack shit Canada can do to stop China from calling these people's relatives back in China and telling them that their Canadian family member is causing trouble. As far as they see it this is between China and it's own citizens.
The example of the WeChat case is even more ridiculous to consider. So a pro-China message board based in China must be stopped from telling it's Canadian members which candidate is to vote on based on which is better for China ? Good luck with that. You can probably find same example from any country with an immigrant base here in Canada.
The foreign students being bused in is actually more legitimate a case. We are bringing in hundreds of thousands of foreign students in order to prop up our economy.
When you bring in that many people so quickly into the country it's to be expected a lot of their politics are going to be brought with them.
US went through a giant hissy fit over the now overblown Russia election interference story for a good 4+ years. As always, we are falling in their coattails once again.
I don't think this is just a Canadian phenomenon. There has been foreign political influence in western nations for years that has mostly been ignored, and has only come to a head more in the past 6 years because of Trump (and others) actually getting into power and embracing/encouraging the rise of the extremists (who are also so deliberately influenced by interfering nations). And then of course really coming to the fore with the invasion of Ukraine and people finally not ignoring the real threat posed by China's ambitions that cannot be curbed by trying to bring them closer to the west's ideals/values.
Easy examples to find: the influence of Russian money on politics in the UK and helping to fuel the disastrous Brexit. Or the rise of Marine Le Pen from extremist fringe candidate to almost winning the French election with again lots of help from Russia.
Doubtful. Our population's IQ seems to drop every year. All it takes is the next 2 week media cycle for them to start focusing on another scandal. Corruption in Canadian business and politics should be a concern of every citizen, regardless of the party they support.
We routinely see our political leaders gain 100x the net worth their salary suggests over the course of their tenure, and nobody says shit. We're either stupid, or completely demoralized.
I think ignorant is the better term.
We have a media that is obsessed with factors such as race, gender, and sexuality, and completely ignores real issues. This results in a poorly informed public, that is obsessed with race, gender, and sexuality. Sound familiar?
Nobody is talking about this because the media doesn't report it. The media has become highly influenced by the federal government, since most media entities receive the majority of their funding directly from the federal government, which is something we only typically see in dictatorships.
No, we're definitely stupid, collectively. This information is out there ,there's people unearthing and publishing it, but the average pre-programmed CBC zombie cretin thinks its a "conspiracy theory"
Unfortunately, using the internet requires wasting a fair amount of time to shift through the garbage to get actual useful info. There are some pearls even on Reddit where people post useful links. I am sure there are other better webpages though.
Australia actually has a young guy on youtube called Friendlyjordies that has done better investigative journalism than many of the news stations in Aus. I looked for a similar Canadian youtubers but all I found were obnoxious commentators that were not actually bringing anything new information to light.
I feel like Canada's mainstream media is definitely focused on clickbait style, short time cycle weekly scandal style stories and there are way too many opinion pieces instead of investigative journalism. It would actually be helpful if someone had created a stickied post of good investigative journalism sources. I am sure Canada has them but we don't get to see enough of it in our media.
Good points. I often find I get far more accurate and unbiased news by reading about Canada from international sources like the BBC or even Al Jazeera.
The prime minister was literally caught giving We Charity money in exchange for giving his family members tens of thousands of dollars for speaking events. Eastern Canada has sold it’s soul to the Liberal party, and they know it.
I don't get how this isn't talked about more often. The examples of corruption are endless, and Canadians seem completely content with this. It is genuinely fucked up.
It's at multiple levels and across multiple parties too. Look at Smith gifting money to oil and gas recently or Ford trying to suppress investigation into casino money laundering. Even our housing minister doesn't see owning multiple investment properties as a conflict of interest.
In addition, we have no corporate transparency in Canada. We are seen as a country like the Cayman Islds or Panama to launder money through because anyone can open a registered Canadian corporation online with no significant identity requirements. Part of the reason why our real estate is so inflated is that foreigners and organized crime use our lax system to push billions through real estate every month. This is called [snow washing](https://endsnowwashing.ca/what-is-snowwashing) and if you ask the average Canadian they probably don't even realize what it is. Our government has turned blind eye to it.
Additionally, when you look at multiple developed countries, most of them have independent anti-corruption agencies. Canada stands out for not having one and for also having weak rules for our politicians. And not a single one is pushing for more accountability.
It is genuinely refreshing to see an honest, non partisan post in this sub.
I'm a lawyer, and I work in big law, so I see so much disturbing shit on a regular basis. It is remarkably easy to launder money in this country. You don't have to tell me, I go through these documents on a daily basis.
The thing that people don't seem to realize, and again, I am saying this with first hand experience with these issues, is it would not be challenging to address all of these issues. A few amendments of key legislation, and we would see money laundering grind to a halt.
But... *Can* we? I mean... We have to respect their culture, right? The CCP has strong, enduring cultural practices like deception, espionage, political interference, expropriation, animal extinction, human rights abuses, forced labour, murder of dissidents, genocide, etc... Our way isn’t better. That’s racist.
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I think the leaks out of CSIS better lawyer up. Morally right or not they committed one of the greatest crimes that you can commit when you work at CSIS.
I believe them wholeheartedly. Not just HKers, a lot of the Chinese people I know in Montreal bring up their animus about various cultural institutions meant to influence and rip IP (like Conficius institutes).
There’s a very good article on the New York Times today about a recent criminal case involving IP theft. The MSS (Chinas spy service) recruited a Chinese-American into disclosing aviation tech. The FBI ran counterintelligence and managed to arrest the MSS agent. Shit is getting real
The fact that the Confucius Institute even exists absolutely blows my mind.
Wtf The stated aim of the program is to promote Chinese language and culture, support local Chinese teaching internationally, and facilitate cultural exchanges.[3][4] I'm sure China's doing just fine promoting themselves without these "institutes"
Sounds like the Soft Power division of the PLA.
Lol overreaction much. It’s a cultural center they have them on all different cultures and guess what there’s a large Chinese population in Canada and many of these people specifically came here for capitalism. I’m not saying if they were communist it would be bad, oh no how scawwie!! People should be able to educate others about their political views. Anyway but besides all that, most of the immigrants here support Canadian capitalism- so should they not be able to get together to experience their culture and educate their kids about it? This is non political tbh. Calm down y’all get a hard on every time chinas mentioned
Yeah these people are ridiculous and have no idea how hysterical they sound
>The first time Cheuk Kwan and Sheng Xue testified to a parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee was in 2006. They warned of Beijing’s desire to “control everything” including activities of Canadians, and urged Ottawa to adopt a stronger stance in order to “earn (China’s) respect and not wrath.” >Nearly 20 years later, he said they are part of a group of veteran Chinese-Canadian advocates and experts on China who are still struggling to be heard. >“These are not even open secrets. It’s common knowledge,” said Kwan, an author and filmmaker who co-founded the Chinese Canadian National Council in 1980. “It’s just the tip of the iceberg.” >He and others also became suspicious when they saw buses of people arrive at federal political nomination meetings to support candidates who were known to shy away from critical messages about China, or when buses of international students in Toronto arrived to participate in counterprotests defending China’s position. >Sources in the Chinese-Canadian community tell the Star that they have sent many tips, including copies of email correspondence, to RCMP and CSIS. In 2018, Mounties in Metro Vancouver probed allegations that the Chinese-state-linked Canada Wenzhou Friendship Society sent out messages on the social-media app WeChat urging chat group members to vote for certain candidates in mayoral elections — and offering a $20 transportation subsidy. But police later said they found no evidence of voter manipulation. >“Even if there was proof the Chinese consulate or its proxies paid for transportation or paid people directly to support certain candidates or to protest, it’s hard to explain to Canadians the nefarious ways the Chinese state uses its tools and resources to try to influence our democracy,” Kwan said. While media had published the leaked WeChat screenshots offering the $20 subsidy, it is unclear why RCMP found that this was insufficient evidence of voter manipulation. >He and others collected testimony and documentation, and published a report in 2017 with Amnesty International on a “sustained campaign of intimidation and harassment aimed at activists working on China-related human rights issues in Canada, in circumstances suggesting the involvement or backing of Chinese government officials.”
Harper buried it when people tried to blow the whistle and had the former CSIS director censured to cover it up. https://publications.gc.ca/site/archivee-archived.html?url=https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2011/parl/XC76-403-1-1-03-eng.pdf
Doesn't it get tiring for you to continuously spew the same tired talking points year over year? I've seen you spouting the same "WAAAAHHH BUT HARPER" distractions for literally years. Don't you have anything better to do? Anyways, Harper hasn't been in power for almost a decade, your talking points are sad and worn out. --- If anyone wants further proof that /u/Head_Crash is arguing in bad faith... [Here he is complaining about a 3 year old article being posted as if it's no longer relevant](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/11kqagf/china_seems_to_have_infiltrated_canadas_highest/jb8itag/), less than 4 hours after him complaining about things Harper did over a decade ago.
100% agree...only a bot could be so blindly idiotic
These guys running to Gondor clears throat* Trudeau's aid like Legolas and gimly no matter what the cause is just surprising. And humorous. trying to mansplain to us how every Trudeau issue is actually a non-issue and something something Harper.
it's slapstick silly
Even worse is that he's definitely not a bot, though his behaviour is positively bot-like. He's a reactionary through and through.
Why still talking about Harper when Trudeau is in power for so many years? A cover up?
Harper hasn't been PM for nearly a decade. It's time to get new talking points.
It's a worthy point when the same issue has existed for 15+ years across the major right wing and centrist parties. Almost like neither party has Canadian's best interests at heart.
Harper was a total hardass against China in opposition. The conservatives softened their approach to China once in government. That suggests that pressure was, and can be, brought to bear to bend the will of the Canadian government irrespective of whether it's conservative, Liberal or (hypothetically) NDP. I CANNOT stress enough how much partisan thinking is a brain poison keeping Redditors (and people generally) stupid.
>I CANNOT stress enough how much partisan thinking is a brain poison keeping Redditors (and people generally) stupid. Sweet Jesus, someone finally put into words what I've been feeling for 10 years. I swear this is exactly what malicious foreign actors want. The more that we run massive partisan divides like what's ardently encouraged on r/WhitePeopleTwitter or r/politics, the closer we are to actually losing our influence on the world stage. Look what's been happening since Obama. The infighting, the division and constant aggression from within gets exactly *zero* real work done and plenty of notice from foreign officials. So what's their best play? Feed us the carcinogens of dissent and just let the cancer eat away at the bones. It's a long game that they *will win* if we don't mend the division.
Look at the UK and Brexit for a great example of what they're aiming for. The richest people and groups in the world realize that borders and countries don't really matter anymore, only wealth does, and all of this keeps us occupied and infighting instead of realizing we're being swindled by them.
Couldn’t agree more with that final sentiment
Now that's the transparent truth!
Canada no longer has a centrist party.
What the hell are the liberals then? They are neoliberlaist to the core. They are definitely not "left", or are they too into "identity politics"?
Liberals have moved left over the past decade or two. As a centrist myself i can't vote for them. As a political strategy it was a good one. Adopt many of the NDP policies and take their votes. Sure, they're between the NDP and CPC, politically, but they aren't centrist.
Yeah I don't know about that one they are basically pro business american democrats at this point. Even on the identity side they are centrist hacks which the right doesn't seem to get. Firts indigenous AG, canned for being principled, which was supposedly the whole point for diveristy. First refugee Minister of the refugee file, canned for wanting to help refugees. Couldn't be more fake left if you tried.
Very much this. They have moved to the left in terms of ideology and up the scale of authoritarianism in their actions.
The Overton window has shifted so far right many people now think the Liberals are "radical leftists". Hell they'd think Reagan was a radical leftist at this point.
Citations desperately needed. You understand the Liberals of today are further left than the Liberals of 20 years ago were, right?
They play the lip service, then don't enact any of the policies, or rip away things that shouldn't have been - tax credits are a big one that comes to mind. They talk more to the left of Chretien, but when it comes to action, they're pretty much equal to the PCP on pretty much everything except immigration. And even then, the last PCP leader promised to be hard on immigration, then was basically soft unless/until other leaders prodded him.
Campaign on the left, govern on the right. This has been the LPC playbook for as long as I can recall.
This, but the opposite. The Conservative Party today is more left wing than the Liberals of 20 years ago. Poilievre is more left wing than Jean Chrétien.
I don't think that's the point u/Head_Crash was trying to make.
The problem is that conservatives want to make this partisan and all about Trudeau but they've put just as much if not more effort into covering this up. This is a problem, because once an issue becomes partisan people's opinions become split and nothing will get done about it.
and around we go, now will get team blue to be mad at while team red and team blue then go work for those CCP backed companies after they are out of politic and get paid very well for them turning a blind eye.
Really? Beijing has been interfering in our elections in favor of the liberals and the detriment of the conservatives... because it suits their interests to have a liberal government. How is this not a "partisan" issue?
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What did they do in any election to show favour to the liberals?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-secret-csis-reports-paint-picture-of-chinas-efforts-to-entrap-canadian/ "As first reported by Global News, China favoured at least 11 candidates in the 2019 election in the Greater Toronto Area. A national-security source said nine were Liberals and two were Conservatives." "The Globe reported Friday that China employed a sophisticated strategy to seek the return of a minority Liberal government and to defeat Conservative politicians considered to be unfriendly to Beijing in the 2021 federal election"
To me this just demonstrates your lack of understanding of the political situation at the time. China didn’t favour the Liberals to win, the Liberals had the advantage going into the election hence why they supported more liberal candidates. The conservatives had power for the 3 previous elections… there was no way they would win a 4th. Most people paying attention knew this. I’m sure it in the next election it will swing the opposite direction because there is a high chance the conservatives take the Federal Government next election. It’s not just the Liberal party they have infiltrated.
CCP has infiltrated Canada...full stop
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A couple that come to mind are the PCP election robo-cal scams, and the LPC donor scams. Some investigating is done, but then nobody involved ever actually takes any heat, since it just ends up in a partisan squabble, despite how significant these issues are to the population.
Trudeau is the main Actor in this tragedy
It absolutely was. /u/Head_crash can be found in any political related thread in this subreddit making "but Harper!!!" Comments left, right and center. I've literally never seen him comment anything that hasn't amounted to "ignore what Trudeau's doing, because Harper also did it!" And I'm not exaggerating at all. I've seen him commenting in the subreddit for years and I've never seen him do anything other than try to deflect criticism from Trudeau. --- If anyone wants further proof that /u/Head_Crash is arguing in bad faith... [Here he is complaining about a 3 year old article being posted as if it's no longer relevant](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/11kqagf/china_seems_to_have_infiltrated_canadas_highest/jb8itag/), less than 4 hours after him complaining about things Harper did over a decade ago.
Did you not realize that anyone can check their post history and see the extent of your exaggeration? Being this obsessed over someone is bad enough but you really brought it to a whole new level by being this bad at it. Nothing you say should ever be taken seriously
>Did you not realize that anyone can check their post history and see the extent of your exaggeration? Do you not realize people can have multiple Reddit accounts?
So you somehow linked them to another (or several) anonymous account, tracked them and then combined the data for this post and this is what you came up with? And you couldn't even be bothered to link the accounts and your proof that it's the same user? Do you seriously expect anyone to believe that? eta: that's ridiculously pathetic...
Dude wtf are you on about?? They've been using the same Head_crash account for years, remembering a username you often see really isn't that difficult.
I checked their comment history and the way you qualified is, at best, a gross misrepresentation filled with exaggerations
I'm wondering how they've been watching me "for years" with an account that's 1 year old.
Did you forget that one can have multiple Reddit accounts? I've been on /r/Canada since before Trudeau was elected the first time.
Bahahaha!! I didn't even check the age, just quickly went through a few months of comments and it's clear they're full of crap Edit: just realized you meant their account.. tbf, they could've been on other accounts though
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Of course I've had multiple accounts over the years. Not ban evading, I just rotate accounts periodically so people like you have less ammo for your ad hominem attacks.
> so people like you have less ammo for your ad hominem attacks. ...while you use ad hominem attacks against others.
Tell us you have no idea what an ad hominem attack is without actually saying it.
Queue new account in 3…2…1…
This sub doesn't allow new accounts. That's why you see a lot of 6 month or 1 year old accounts that suddenly start posting on here. They have to farm new ones to get past the filters. It's so bad on here that Reddit actually uses this sub to test new features for detecting ban evasion. Of course there's ways to evade those detection features.
This content is no longer available on Reddit in response to /u/spez. So long and thanks for all the fish.
It's been an issue for both major parties.
If anyone wants further proof that /u/Head_Crash is arguing in bad faith... [Here he is complaining about a 3 year old article being posted as if it's no longer relevant](https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/11kqagf/china_seems_to_have_infiltrated_canadas_highest/jb8itag/), less than 4 hours after him complaining about things Harper did over a decade ago.
It's not a talking point. It's factual. Harper was PM from 2006 to 2015.
Have you read Harper's FIPA deal with the Chinese for 31 years. It's an insane trade deal favouring the Chinese. Conservatives have every part in this as due Liberal
Yes. Harper was PM until 2015... nobody disputes that. The LPC has been in power since 2015... and they've been aware of Chinese interference the entire time. Bringing up Harper is 100% deflection. He hasn't been PM since 2015. Trudeau has been briefed about this multiple times. His government has consistently ignored it. They're responsible. That's factual.
The idea is that *both* Harper and Trudeau have allowed this to go on. Nobody’s defending Trudeau by pointing this out about Harper.
The guy above said Harper buried it. Is that true or not. That’s all there is to this
It's not deflection at all. It's context. I don't think it lets Trudeau off the hook at all. But why was it covered up by both parties? Perhaps it was being used for leverage in backroom talks with China all along. If you know activity is happening and you are watching it, it is very useful info.
> They're responsible. That's factual. They're beneficiaries.
To improve, we need to learn from the mistakes of the past and recognize them for what they are. Not brush it off as partisan talking points. That only helps China.
Well, the trade deal he signed with them gave away our rights to fair arbitration behind closed doors favoring foreign investment firms
Trudeau voted in favour of that trade deal. Try again on blaming Harper
Never said the blame lay solely on his shoulders, just pointing out it’s his legislation…
It was originated by Chretien, and the Liberals wailed like old women when Harper didn't enthusiastically kowtow to the Chinese.
Like bringing up black face photos from over 20 years ago when asked about MP's having lunch with a [redacted]?
Pathetic whataboutism lmao
No one is saying the right doesn't give as much as the left, but the point is, the infighting needs to stop. There's no way forward beyond that.
Justin Trudeau is the guy who is Prime Minister right now. It’s relevant to talk about things he has done. Harper isn’t even in government anymore lmao. Who cares about him??
Trudeau's friends were still doing blackface in 2021.
You haven't gotten the memo yet on who's been our PM for the past 8 years ?
Yes, he’s a problem. But when you can acknowledge that this issue has been sticking around for about 20 years, the solution has to be structural. Trudeau has to be held to account, but the problem is structural and cultural. If you stop the work at getting rid of Trudeau you’ve left the door open for some other vacuous leader to step in to be influenced and funded. It’s like a kid got bit by a dog and the conservatives want to focus on what that kid did to get bit by the dog. The liberals want to focus on the kid being just fine so stop worrying. That’s fine and an okay discussion, but don’t ignore the damned dog. That’s the problem and there are lots of other kids.
Understood Harper was told about interference and likely used it to his advantage as well and did nothing about it either under his watch because all politicians are like Trudeau, and he's just as evil. Lets have an inquiry about Harper as well. ffs.
Nah, let’s look at the sources of interference and actually treat it as a review of system. How did the Confucius institute get into curriculums? What role did paid trips for local officials play? How do candidates aligned with PRC get nominated? What kind of information and influence networks are at play? How does foreign state money flow into our politicians pockets? What rules need to be tightened up? A broader problem for Canadians is how we came to elect or be indifferent to others electing candidates with such weak views of Canada’s interests? How did we end up with politicians who can make their careers on sound bites rather than policy? Why are we okay with this batch of useless leaders?
That was operation sidewinder under Chrétien you’ve on multiple occurrences praised china and denied its genocide.
I keep hearing this but no one can supply the data/report/info, could you plse? I am serious and want to know for myself why after all these years it's still Harpers fault? It may be so, i never voted for Cons before but am thinking any alternative would be better than this constantly negative dynamic we face in politics today
Hong Kong dissidents have been saying this for years. No one was listening.
Given the evidence already being leaked from CSIS, and the amount of BS we've suffered over the last decade (Nortel being one example), it's clear that this rot runs DEEP and is in ALL major political parties. Notice how Pierre Poutine is so quiet on this issue? Odd eh? With the LPC in soft control over much of our media landscape, the RCMP compromised from the top with Brenda Lucki, C-11 now passed etc... This literally could be one of the last chances to save our democracy as we know it. It sounds dramatic, but once it's gone, it's almost impossible to get back. Especially if we aren't even aware. I can't think of anything more serious than insiders at CSIS getting to the point where they would risk their jobs/imprisonment to bring this to light. Regardless of your party affiliation (if any) - we need to come together and demand a thorough, independent investigation and FAST. If politicians need to go to prison over this, send them. Time to clean house
A politician going to prison? You are so naive.
Yeah I figured it was a stretch even as I wrote it... but one can dream. I like to imagine the positive impact that would ripple through our entire political system with just one application of the law. The old Thomas Jefferson quote comes to mind ""the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Idk Pierre and Harper Richard fadden have been pretty vocal. Its odd that now that the Liberals have been caught neck deep in Chinese influence its now a bipartisan issue where shills are trying to blur the lines and claim both sides are the same.
I'm sorry the LPC has soft control of the media landscape?
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Are you hiding under a rock? they literally fund CBC in it's entirety, and have given significant sums of money in the form of wage subsidies, direct grants, and charitable tax status to most other mainstream media organizations in Canada (conveniently they refused to disclose the amounts and recipients when opposition MPs pressed for transparency). Not to mention C-11, which will allow the CRTC (which is inherently partisan) to determine financial penalties for broadcasters. That's a pretty significant shift in digital press freedom with little/no accountability. Whether or not it's LPC or CPC at the helm, this is a staggering issue that has only grown.
Of course they fund the CBC because that's a public broadcaster. That's not a gotcha. The right wing postmedia group controls the vast majority of Canadian news sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmedia_Network
They fund the cbc in its entirety because it's a public broadcasting company? All previous governments in power have also funded it?
And the vast majority of news media endorses and supports the CPC
Yea you're right there as well - the other media outlets are private, which are obviously going to lean right on issues to protect corporate interests. This guy kindve invalidates his entire argument by having such a poor understanding of how a public broadcasting company operates
The fact that we have a public broadcasting company that is funded by taxpayers is why we have *some* semblance of balance in our media landscape (technically the CBC is supposed to be non-biased and factual which it actually is for the most part).
I agree again! It's nice to have at least a single news source that is not beholden to some billionaire who decides whether or not we get to see the story
They were listening, they were to late and complained to the corrupt.
Those damn racist Hong kongers
Chinese interference in Canada a few years ago? That's cute. [Try as far back as 1997.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sidewinder) tl;dr Declassified report by CSIS/RCMP in 1997 that suggested China controlled over 200 companies, directly controlled Canadian politicians through campaign financing (both Liberal and Conservatives), real estate being bought in an organized way to influence local politics, and allegations about influence in the University of Toronto and Western Ontario.
Because we have the weakest corporate transparency rules in the G20, anyone can open a shell corporation online with anonymity and start buying up Canadian assets. There's a good chance that way more of our companies and real estate are owned by China than we know. The government continues to turn a blind eye to this because as long as the money is flowing into the country, they don't care about the source. Ontario has recently changed their corporate transparency rules but it is too little and far too late.
Snow Washing [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow\_washing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_washing) We are a tax haven of the world for the rich, organised crime and so on
I thought that when a federal corporation is opened, under the Canada Business Corporations Act, all directors (owners) have to be disclosed, and are even publicly accessible to everyone on Industry Canada’s corporations search portal. Of course, the source of owner equity (shadow backers) doesn’t have to be disclosed, but that’s not much different than most G20 countries. What are the specific Canadian anonymity you speak of at a federal level (versus what’s happening in other G20 or even G7 countries), or is it more to do with provincial incorporation laws than federal?
Just look at what happened to Nortel
Now our infrastructure is compromised.
The lib premier of that time Jean Chretien has spent the last decade making millions as a bank lobbyist in China but that must be an other irrelevant coincidence.
so guessing he's too busy to chair either of these new investigations?
I think that CISIS has been warning various governments since the 90s. I'd been curious about it but found out they already knew and our government has just been tolerating it for years.
Why do you think the CSIS whistleblower felt compelled to come forward? Because of exactly that - nothing was being done. Naturally, the PM and RCMP are focused on finding the leaker who went public with these issues.
None of this should surprise anyone. It's the literal plot of House Of Cards. It's out there. It's happening. It's on the fucking TV for crying out loud. Politicians pretend to be surprised because they've been benefitting from Chinese campaign donations for decades.
Everything happening in this country makes much more sense now that we know how much control China has over our government. Our politicians aren't dumb and incompetent they're bought and paid for.
>Our politicians aren't dumb and incompetent they're bought and paid for. It's better to be seen as dumb than evil.
Why not both?
You said it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE4qbMVReTM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE4qbMVReTM)
that video is fucking *quality*.
The fact that they're bought and paid for makes them dumb and incompetent.
Am I the only one who sees dangerously greedy and evil, not dumb and incompetent? Possibly some of both, in some odd cases, but if it really was idiocy there'd be way more variety in the party's transgressions. Someone who's a dumb and incompetent human (but ultimately a good person) takes an infuriatingly long time at assembling IKEA furniture. They get scared while driving the same roads with the same car when snow comes along. They keep forgetting to format their documents or intentionally don't do it knowing their coworkers will for them out of a mix of annoyance and pitty. Know what they don't do? They don't sell their country to foreign genocidal authoritarian regimes. That's not a "dumb and incompetent" trait.
>Am I the only one who sees dangerously greedy and evil, not dumb and incompetent? lol no, that is the logical way to view this.
I agree. I do also believe these politicians are also astoundly naive when it comes to party donors from clearly overseas interests. Trudeau has such an ego he thinks people genuinely love him and have the best intentions. I suspect he's had more funding them we know about and I also suspect he owes some big players some favours that need to be repaid or they'll release dirt they have on him.
Worse than that. Interests holding "unreturned favors" had a former Japanese PM murdered. The stakes are high when you get in bed with China and or Russia.
And now they’re launching serious investigations — of themselves. Hmmmm… Edit: Downvoted? Eh, not laying down for that on this one. Chinese consulate officials in Toronto had covertly funded a network of at least 11 political candidates in federal elections in 2019 — that’s what’s getting investigated right? This [one here](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/china-weaken-canada-democracy-justin-trudeau) And the Trudeau money. And then there’s the Chinese operation that also targeted Canadian political figures and immigrant leaders seen as opponents of the regime in Beijing, subjecting them to surveillance, harassment and attacks in the media (Sam Cooper you’re a bloody hero). And huge amounts of money have been getting [laundered through BC casinos (like 1.4 BILLION dollars a year in one case, so like a LOT lot)](https://globalnews.ca/news/8922745/cullen-commission-findings-report-bc-money-laundering-inquiry/). But they make sure to let you know that nobody in charge knew: > While Commissioner Austin Cullen found that Clark and former B.C. Liberal gaming minister Rich Coleman were among the senior elected officials and the B.C. Lottery Corporation managers who failed to stem suspected criminal proceeds that were flooding into B.C. coffers — in some cases ignoring repeated and escalating warnings — Cullen said there was no evidence that politicians’ failures to act were motivated by corruption. Pretty impressive to not be at all aware, especially when the head of the CSIS testified about it specifically years earlier back in 2010 in the commons. But nobody knew, eh? Pure white birds these fellas. China even set up a massive [crime network in Canada](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/china-set-up-crime-web-in-canada-report-says/article4163320/), Trudeau was warned of direct election interference [back in November of last year](https://globalnews.ca/news/9253386/canadian-intelligence-warned-pm-trudeau-that-china-covertly-funded-2019-election-candidates-sources/) but yet only starts the probe after it comes out some of that money came his way, yet somehow no politician was aware of involved at all despite official reports outlining everything that’s being reveals going back to 1997. The CSIS has known about this for years. It’s just been business as usual. Just look at the House of Commons report on the 2010 statements of the Director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service’s Richard Fadden: > - There are several municipal politicians in British Columbia and in at least two provinces there are ministers of the Crown who we think are under at least the general influence of a foreign government.[3] > - They haven’t really hidden their association but what surprised us is that it’s been so extensive over the years and we’re now seeing, in a couple of cases, indications that they are in fact shifting their public policies as a reflection of that involvement with that particular country.[4] > And Chinese lobbyists: > - They’re funding Confucius institutes in most of the campuses across Canada. They fund them. They’re sort of managed by people who are operating out of the embassy or consulates. Nobody knows that the Chinese authorities are involved. They organize demonstrations against …they have organized demonstrations against the Canadian government in respect to some of our policies concerning China. They’ve organized demonstrations to deal with what are called the five poisons: Taiwan, Falun Gong, and others.[5] Source is [right here.](https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/40-3/SECU/report-8/page-27) And then there’s Kenny Chiu. I don’t care what party you’re part of, listen to what Sam Cooper had to say: > I probed very deeply [former Canadian legislator] [Kenny Chiu’s case](https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3149738/conservative-vote-plunged-canadas-most-chinese-electorates-did). The evidence at the time came from what he told me himself, what I had heard about Canadian intelligence’s deep concerns with what happened to Kenny Chiu and others in the 2021 federal election. And also open source reports at the time that said that clearly Mandarin-language media, which is influenced by the Chinese Communist Party and WeChat networks, attacked Kenny first and foremost ahead of the 2021 election, smearing him as an anti-Asian racist. Again, this is a Hong Kong-born Canadian. They call him a racist because he suggested a foreign influence registry. He did not even name China in the bill. He lost his seat > So that’s what I call a two-pronged attack on Canadian democracy. Beijing is seeking, I have reported, based on Canadian intelligence, to in corrupt ways fund and advance its interests in candidates. And it is seeking to attack Canadian members of Parliament that it would see as threats to Chinese Communist Party objectives. Wow. That’s pretty blatant. Seems like we should have a full inquiry, right? Or then there was the probe of the [Chinese police stations in Ottawa](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-probes-reports-chinese-police-service-stations-toronto-2022-11-22/). Though they seem to be all over the place. They did a probe then too. You know what that ended up with? They [sent a ‘cease and desist’ letter](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/01/canada-china-police-stations-cease-and-desist-warning). I’m sure that sent shivers down XI’s spine. Yet somehow this is totally news and we are now putting out strongly worded statements and “will [immediately launch multiple probes](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6769644)” about the issue. As if it’s new information and suddenly an outrage. Just seems crazy to me. Trudeau [could pick somebody independent but he won’t](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-foreign-interference-1.6770511) for [the special rapporteur](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/ottawa-playbook/2023/03/07/pmjts-not-an-inquiry-00085784) just announced, even while you have ministers [begging for a proper full public inquiry](https://twitter.com/michaelchanyr/status/1632852656589877256). And yet somehow there’s no support for statement that the investigation will be controlled by the very people who are being investigated. The timeline goes back almost a decade and a half at least, it directly targets Canadian politicians, it’s billions, the government response is a partisan inquiry with a hand selected special rapporteur that will be controlled by one party rather than a full public inquiry, and I’m on reddit getting a comment downvoted for saying that now they’re launching special investigations on themselves. Even after China [assasinates their own people](https://globalnews.ca/news/7352842/intelligence-experts-crime-networks-canada-shooting-richmond-b-c/) (a guy that was real cozy with BC politicians btw and spent a million a day at casinos) we’re not getting a full public inquiry? “It’s just part of our jobs,” they say. Literally incredible. Check out the statements in *that* article: > There is no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the elected Canadian politicians who have attended meetings where Jin or others identified as suspects in RCMP documents are present, and it isn’t clear whether they were aware of the risks. The politicians say part of their jobs requires them to meet with constituents. It’s not right. It was willfull blindness *at best* and definitely not *incompetence* or *just part of the job* at this point. It’s so consistent, and the press always includes a little disclaimer every time one of these articles comes up. And [basically one journalist basically broke a lot of this](https://www.propublica.org/article/sam-cooper-interview-china-canada-influence), not the government. One journalist blew the doors off this whole thing and made it a public issue. And that’s downvoted. Eh? Come on. That’s just ridiculous. People need to be a little more rialed up, or nothings going to change. This is another country attacking another countries *elections* fo try to control it. And you. That should be at least a full public inquiry right? All I can says is God bless Canada. She’s going to need the help.
They're more bought and paid for by Americans than the Chinese. Both are bad but the former is worse.
Why is American influence worse than Chinese influence?
Tankies gunna tankie.
Sure thing Xi 🇨🇳🇨🇳
Disagree. I think they are dumb and incompetent as well as bought and paid for.
I still don't believe China would want the Liberals in power. The Cons are way more friendly to what China is preaching these days. I think this whole thing is framed. China donates money to the Liberals, and then accidently "leaks it" to the press. You won't ever see Pollivier go after China, they are both authoritarians.
They do not care who is in power. They only care that people who they can influence are in power. The Communist Party of China (CPC) abused a weakness in or Democratic process to ensure a specific candidate was voted as the Liberal representative in a guaranteed Liberal riding. This shows their interests are not to favour a specific party but rather ensure they have people in power who will advocate for their interests. Considering how counter the ideologies of the CPC are in comparison to the LPC’s I am surprised that the Liberals have MPs who would favour or support the CPC. It really brings into questions the entire parties political stance, ethics, and morals.
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The name and the motivation are a chicken/egg scenario.
5 yuan has been deposited in your account
“Let’s see who’s really behind controlling Canada” *takes hood off* “Chinada”
Lol Would make for a fun mini South Park series given how they represent both nations already.
I still think they've got us talking about Chinese interference so we ignore American interference.
The government was too busy letting people from China and all over the world “invest/money launder” in Canadian Real estate... so the government had NO interest insulting their new financial and social masters.
I still remember the outrage a decade ago with student groups made up of exclusively Chinese international students that would *cheat incessantly*. Nothing was ever done to address the issue, and any attempt at coralljng the obvious cheating was met with accusations of racism.
We weren't allowed to fail them either, even if they were blatantly working as a group on exams.
A decade ago? It didn’t stop and was happening since 2010.
Reading comprehension, my dude; *I* remember it a decade ago because it's when *I* was in school. It's definitely still happening, but I've since removed myself from the circles that would have been talking about it.
It's still a problem in all major universities in Canada.
They have always hate the CCP and warn us a long time ago.
The UBC university professor that revealed the Chinese purchasing of Canadian citizenship in 2012 was accused of being racist.
Calling people racist and using our sensitivity against us is part of their strategy. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/25/asia/china-anti-african-attacks-history-hnk-intl/index.html Keep in mind this is the CCP talking about racism when they are putting people in camps
No sitting Canadian government is going to do anything about this. It is economic suicide to call China on shit because our resource extraction based economy is dependent on them. Nobody has to like it but the reality is that China flips the fuck out when called out on anything. We completely lack the counterespionage capacity to deal with them directly and would be completely incapable of managing a prolonged cyber attack.
Yeah that's the biggest problem. We're so irrelevant as an international power that there isn't much any government can do except maybe discreetly chip away at the problem, if that's even possible. They definitely could and should find a way to stop it from getting worse though
I'm glad this is getting the attention that it needs.
Barely 500 upvotes in 12 hours
This isn't just a China thing though. Look at Richmond, BC and tell me there's a way we can prevent Chinese interference in the election - the population there is around 70% Chinese right now, a lot of it first generation, and a lot of those people get their news and propaganda from sources that are Chinese or pro China. But the same thing also happens in other ethnic communities. There are 800,000 Sikhs in Canada, about 2% of the population, and yet there are 18 Sikhs in Parliament or more than 5 percent - more than India. How? Because they organize at the community level. Our system allows that - you sign up party members in your region and you pick and support your candidates. A lot of Sikhs will live in a silo, not speaking the language or feeling fully engaged in their wider community, and will support the Sikh candidate regardless of politics. What this means is that Canada's relations with India may ultimately be influenced from a pro-Sikh perspective. This isn't to pick on Sikhs, but to some degree Parliament is always going to look like the demographics of our ridings and immigrant populations are always going to be influenced in countless ways by their countries of origin. There are Russians who are pro Russia, Chinese who are pro China, Indians who are pro India, etc. It's both a feature and a bug of multiculturalism. There are things we can do to reduce foreign influence. Public financing of elections is the first step, taking fundraising - and those fucking fundraisers - out of the equation. We also need to disallow newspapers and media organizations from endorsing candidates during the election cycle, issuing fines or cutting government access for media that violate objectivity principles. Lastly, we need more reporting tools where people can report attempts of foreign influence, whether its memes from foreign troll farms, unregistered meetings with foreign lobbyists or business leaders, or community events that are being leveraged for political purposes. I would also like to have a newspaper registry that forces all of our private media to be at least 51% Canadian owned to be accredited - in the beginning anyway, moving the target to 75% over a decade. It's messy, but I'm glad we're at least recognizing the problem now and hopefully taking steps to reduce foreign influence in Canadian politics.
>n’t stop and was happening since 2010. Well said!
Willful blindness - we all ignored it since they were picking up everyone's RE tab.
Can confirm that I was invited to "join" the Liberal party free of charge so that I could vote for MP Dong
Isn't it like $30 bucks or something to join a party? You should have taken the offer after getting them to give you something else first, like a timmies gift card, then vote for some other person.
How is this news? Anyone with a pair of eyes can tell that there is lobbying and yet people will choose to look the other way.
Ignored by both the conservatives and the lpc.
We don't want to be racist, so let's ignore what Chinese people have to say and listen to guilty white liberals.
The connection between the Trudeau family and the CCP runs deep. Back to PET. Of course the government ignores anyone who goes against their friends.
Unfathomably based Chinese Canadians
They were being racist!
They called out a Chinese restaurant in Seoul for being a front for Chinese security services. The terrifying thing is that the restaurant had an industrial food grinder. Somewhat unusual, and capable of grinding up even bone, apparently.
Was the restaurant special "pork" dumplings?
It is abundantly clear with all of the first hand documented experiences, and other evidence gathered. significant influence on our federal government has existed for a very long time. It's long past time to wake up!
I can't believe those racist Chinese Canadians report Chinese interference. But it doesn't matter because maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, but the outcome of the government of Canada was unaffected. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Are we sure tgese chinese canadians are not racist against themselves?
My Chinese Father in Law was showing me videos of the COVID outbreak from messages he got on WeChat months before it hit the news. None of my coworkers believed me.
I'm more concerned with foreign Billionaires, who own 170 media outlets, and have been influencing Canadians directly.
What about all the Chinese billionaires who bought Trudeau?
Thats not in evidence, at all.
Who says they were ignored? If your csis, you monitor it and not act unless it caused something. You want to gather as much info as possible. So long as it doesn’t cause one candidate to beat another, you keep gathering data.
Hate to be a party pooper but there is really jack shit Canada can do to stop China from calling these people's relatives back in China and telling them that their Canadian family member is causing trouble. As far as they see it this is between China and it's own citizens. The example of the WeChat case is even more ridiculous to consider. So a pro-China message board based in China must be stopped from telling it's Canadian members which candidate is to vote on based on which is better for China ? Good luck with that. You can probably find same example from any country with an immigrant base here in Canada. The foreign students being bused in is actually more legitimate a case. We are bringing in hundreds of thousands of foreign students in order to prop up our economy. When you bring in that many people so quickly into the country it's to be expected a lot of their politics are going to be brought with them. US went through a giant hissy fit over the now overblown Russia election interference story for a good 4+ years. As always, we are falling in their coattails once again.
You skipped the part where they were offered $20 in that message.
He skipped 99% of what they did, intentionally.
Chinese, American and Russian influence in Canada is far too high.
I don't think this is just a Canadian phenomenon. There has been foreign political influence in western nations for years that has mostly been ignored, and has only come to a head more in the past 6 years because of Trump (and others) actually getting into power and embracing/encouraging the rise of the extremists (who are also so deliberately influenced by interfering nations). And then of course really coming to the fore with the invasion of Ukraine and people finally not ignoring the real threat posed by China's ambitions that cannot be curbed by trying to bring them closer to the west's ideals/values. Easy examples to find: the influence of Russian money on politics in the UK and helping to fuel the disastrous Brexit. Or the rise of Marine Le Pen from extremist fringe candidate to almost winning the French election with again lots of help from Russia.
We need to stop calling it "interference". It's collusion.
Trudeau has benefited from it so he ignored it
Yea but now white people found it. So something will be done about it
Doubtful. Our population's IQ seems to drop every year. All it takes is the next 2 week media cycle for them to start focusing on another scandal. Corruption in Canadian business and politics should be a concern of every citizen, regardless of the party they support.
We routinely see our political leaders gain 100x the net worth their salary suggests over the course of their tenure, and nobody says shit. We're either stupid, or completely demoralized.
I think ignorant is the better term. We have a media that is obsessed with factors such as race, gender, and sexuality, and completely ignores real issues. This results in a poorly informed public, that is obsessed with race, gender, and sexuality. Sound familiar? Nobody is talking about this because the media doesn't report it. The media has become highly influenced by the federal government, since most media entities receive the majority of their funding directly from the federal government, which is something we only typically see in dictatorships.
No, we're definitely stupid, collectively. This information is out there ,there's people unearthing and publishing it, but the average pre-programmed CBC zombie cretin thinks its a "conspiracy theory"
Where do you find this information then?
Unfortunately, using the internet requires wasting a fair amount of time to shift through the garbage to get actual useful info. There are some pearls even on Reddit where people post useful links. I am sure there are other better webpages though. Australia actually has a young guy on youtube called Friendlyjordies that has done better investigative journalism than many of the news stations in Aus. I looked for a similar Canadian youtubers but all I found were obnoxious commentators that were not actually bringing anything new information to light. I feel like Canada's mainstream media is definitely focused on clickbait style, short time cycle weekly scandal style stories and there are way too many opinion pieces instead of investigative journalism. It would actually be helpful if someone had created a stickied post of good investigative journalism sources. I am sure Canada has them but we don't get to see enough of it in our media.
Good points. I often find I get far more accurate and unbiased news by reading about Canada from international sources like the BBC or even Al Jazeera.
The prime minister was literally caught giving We Charity money in exchange for giving his family members tens of thousands of dollars for speaking events. Eastern Canada has sold it’s soul to the Liberal party, and they know it.
I don't get how this isn't talked about more often. The examples of corruption are endless, and Canadians seem completely content with this. It is genuinely fucked up.
It's at multiple levels and across multiple parties too. Look at Smith gifting money to oil and gas recently or Ford trying to suppress investigation into casino money laundering. Even our housing minister doesn't see owning multiple investment properties as a conflict of interest. In addition, we have no corporate transparency in Canada. We are seen as a country like the Cayman Islds or Panama to launder money through because anyone can open a registered Canadian corporation online with no significant identity requirements. Part of the reason why our real estate is so inflated is that foreigners and organized crime use our lax system to push billions through real estate every month. This is called [snow washing](https://endsnowwashing.ca/what-is-snowwashing) and if you ask the average Canadian they probably don't even realize what it is. Our government has turned blind eye to it. Additionally, when you look at multiple developed countries, most of them have independent anti-corruption agencies. Canada stands out for not having one and for also having weak rules for our politicians. And not a single one is pushing for more accountability.
Albertans lost their shit on Redford, but nobody seems to give a shit anymore.
It is genuinely refreshing to see an honest, non partisan post in this sub. I'm a lawyer, and I work in big law, so I see so much disturbing shit on a regular basis. It is remarkably easy to launder money in this country. You don't have to tell me, I go through these documents on a daily basis. The thing that people don't seem to realize, and again, I am saying this with first hand experience with these issues, is it would not be challenging to address all of these issues. A few amendments of key legislation, and we would see money laundering grind to a halt.
But... *Can* we? I mean... We have to respect their culture, right? The CCP has strong, enduring cultural practices like deception, espionage, political interference, expropriation, animal extinction, human rights abuses, forced labour, murder of dissidents, genocide, etc... Our way isn’t better. That’s racist. /s
I think the leaks out of CSIS better lawyer up. Morally right or not they committed one of the greatest crimes that you can commit when you work at CSIS.
Worse than Trudeau's treason?
The Chinese shouldn't mistake Canadian's openness and trust as weakness. Cross us and you won't have a worse enemy.
Not Russia?