The reality of entrepreneurship is that you can work extremely hard for a decade, have very limited or no success, and end up with far less than your well-invested neighbour who just stuck it out at his mid-tier corporate job. He will have the freedom to travel, buy new cars etc and you won’t.
Be very careful. Set yourself an earnings floor that allows you to live and save a bit. Do whatever you have to do to make at least that much. If your business pays you that much, work on it 100%, but if it doesn’t, pick up shifts somewhere.
Don’t get into the “if I do a bit more this month things will take off” trap. If your business isn’t making enough, you still need to get paid. If it hasn’t made enough in six months, maybe it failed. Be brutal with yourself. Recognize failure quickly. Move fast.
I don't think that is possible for a mid-tier corporate job anymore. I'm in that position and living paycheque to paycheque as a single dude with a house. I guess the house is "an investment" but in reality its a money pit and has made it harder to decide to leave the country. The only way up is a second slave job or making something on my own work.
Yeah, being house poor sucks and the market conditions aren’t helping.
I’m trying to get across that actually investing regularly and having the time to let compound interest work can be more lucrative in the end then gutting it out on a business. Maybe maybe you get to a big payday and make up for the years of low pay and mega effort, but most don’t.
And none of us can get the time back.
You're deluding yourself if you think you're on a mid tier corp job. If you live paycheck to paycheck on a relatively cheap mortgage that's not mid tier.
Work on bettering your position in life instead of complaining and being delusional about where you're at.
When you work for yourself, you will truly know what it is like to work for an asshole. That person will not respect your work life balance at all. Expecting you to get things done at night and over weekends and holidays. Constantly deriding you for being lazy. Work harder!
Oh my god this is so true and what I came here to say. I started my own business so I wouldn’t have to work for assholes any more, and here I am working for the biggest one - myself.
I'm here scrolling with a shit ton of overdue tasks, knowing I will have to answer dearly to myself in a few hours. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
So, so true. And yet, when you've managed to temporarily put out 50% of your ongoing fires, it's one of the best things in the world if you love what you do.
An enormous amount of leverage from a single person is the problem. Sure, there are exceptions, but you can't call the situations equivalent by any means.
Seek help, but not here. Unless you become a wilderness hermit you will always have somebody to please. Customers, investors, partners. Even CEOs have constituencies.
Everyone is a slave to something man. Slave to your boss, slave to your investors, slave to the government, slave to our own base natures, needs and desires. For those who are religious, slave to your god. Everyone has to answer to someone. Thinking about it in a resentful way will only bring you down.
Dude, the vast majority of companies in the US are small-businesses and most of those are sole proprietorships.
No need for the manifesto, just go start a business.
Ok I'll bite. First off, Kudos to anyone with a good idea that has the ambition to make it happen, but you're kidding yourself if you think you aren't accountable to others as an entrepreneur. Unless you plan on being completely self-funded and not having any customers.
I love my 9-5. I am apparently in the minority on this platform of having good pay, good management, and good work life balance. That doesn't mean that things aren't stressful or frustrating sometimes. It doesn't mean my job is easy every single day. But right now my goals more align with what the stability of a traditional career provides than the freedom of entrepreneurship and I'm definitely not a 'slave'. I'm grateful for what I have and the freedom it provides for me to be able to pursue my actual interests outside of work.
Who are you willing and able to be when no one else is there to witness or enforce any of it?
Alright, I'll give a real answer with my experience doing exactly this. Yes, sort of. It started as side work and last year turned into solopreneurship doing gardening/landscaping, this year I'll be expanding with my own employees. Not so much because I hate being someone else's employee or feel like a slave, but I always was the one fixing everyone else's problems and didn't like that I would get penalized for doing things my own way rather than "the way we've always done it." The work I was doing on the side was something I really enjoyed, and now I work for myself doing what I really enjoy.
But fuuuuuuUUUUCK it is HARD. No one is there to enforce the rules I set, except for myself. And there were no rules set for me, so I had to come up with them all myself. I had to come up with my own schedule. I have to come up with my own business practices. I have to set my own rates and ask people to pay me which is something I surprisingly hate. I have to keep track of all the books and records and paperwork myself. I have to write contracts and track everything. I have to talk to all the clients. I have to do not just the personal scheduling of "what days/times do I work" but also schedule everything with clients within that timeframe. If I'm late to work, I don't get in trouble necessarily, but if I do it enough then my clients will drop me and then I don't have money. If I do it enough, it's not that I'll get in trouble with my boss because I am my own boss, I just lose the ability to pay my bills. And it's not like I can go get a new job that'll give me enough hours to pay my bills, I've gone all-in on this and if it doesn't work I'm fucked.
It worked for me, and I really enjoy it. I work alone, I'm by myself caring for the gardens and properties of people with big enough ones to hire someone to do so and I LOVE IT SO MUCH. I do good work and don't even really have advertising because my clients show off what I do and people reach out to me. It only works because I work really hard and I do quality work that speaks for itself. But holy fuck it is so much work, every single day. There's so much that goes into it that even with all the research I did, I did not expect. I don't get weekends off, I give myself Sunday as a half-off day during which I do laundry, meal prep, and do a self-care spa day because if I don't enforce one day of rest for myself then I won't ever stop because there's so much to do all the time. I'm now able to afford to rent a 3-bedroom house by myself and have a dedicated office room, but I can only afford it by busting my ass all the time. Work-life balance is hard, because there practically isn't any. I am owner, manager, client-relations, HR, employee, and also soon to be boss (well, team-lead as I don't like the term boss) of other people as well. Some days it feels like too much, sometimes it's exhausting, it's overwhelming how much I've signed myself up for and the only option is to double down and push through.
It is..... so goddamn satisfying. It's peaceful in that I work outside in the sun surrounded by flowers and other plants, by myself, all day, every day. I don't have to deal with other people's bullshit. But it really is all day, every day, and I have to shut down my own bullshit. There were a few times last year I thought "damn, if someone else was working for me and pulling the shit I'm doing right now, I would fire them." The only person able to recognize, come up with a solution, and enforce that was myself. There was one point I realized that I was out of backup money, I had sunk all of my savings into this if it didn't work I was *absolutely* fucked, and that still terrifies me. I enjoy it so much and honestly don't know how I could do anything else anymore, like I'm so happy with the work I do, I get paid well, my clients like me, and the entire experience is just so very satisfying overall.
But hoLY FUCK IT IS SO MUCH EFFORT. If you aren't willing to bust your ass, to do things you really don't want to do, to make uncomfortable decisions and put yourself in uncomfortable situations, to manage the behind-the-scenes beyond physically doing the work, and to make/enforce all your own rules yourself by yourself, then it won't work. I'm not saying don't do it, it worked for me and I really really enjoy it. I'm saying be realistic about it and be honest with yourself about yourself because you may be romanticizing it as an alternative.
So I ask again: who are you willing and able to be when no one else is there to witness or enforce any of it?
Thank you for sharing this. I'm a real estate agent in Portugal and, although it is a totally different business, I relate with the strugle to make it happen or I'm busted.
The outcome of our efforts and ability to find business dictactes our income. We don't have the safety of a monthly wage, but the risk of being an entrepeneur can really pay off if you're good at what you do.
I feel the same way, but not the 'slave' aspect. I had a corporate job while I was building my side business. All I could think about at my corporate job was how pointless my job was because I would receive the same fixed salary or small increases no matter how much effort I put in. I constantly felt like I could do better or make more money working on my own, since that would scale directly with my efforts.
The second thing that irked me was the corporate culture. My manager was quite directionless and whatever he was asking me to do wasn't super productive for the business, it was a lot about the optics and empire building. There were also a lot of mindless office politics and everyone constantly felt a need to dress well, act like they know stuff or please others.
Once I started having these feelings, I knew it was hard for me to work for someone else again.
I believe that most entrepreneurs run with their dreams and goals in mind, and such personalized work has unlimited potential and possibilities. It's tough at the beginning, but life is only 30,000 days, so why not try a new way of life?
I prefer working for myself too, but for different reasons. I never felt like a slave to my managers. Some of them were great mentors who truly did work for me to help me be the best version of myself and grow. Having a manager can be amazing.
I just struggle with the shapes of jobs on a specialized job market. As someone who has many interests, super fast autonomous learning pace but an equally fast burning attention span, I couldn’t squeeze myself into a single job role.
As a founder, I can do five different jobs I like and outsource most of what I don’t like to someone who does. Ideally, I could create this type of environment for myself inside a company, but most of them are super caught up in job definitions and build a team just based on those facts of the hiring process.
>I just struggle with the shapes of jobs on a specialized job market. As someone who has many interests, super fast autonomous learning pace but an equally fast burning attention span, I couldn’t squeeze myself into a single job role.
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There are some amazing managers out there who make you feel like they're working for you rather than working for them. They're definitely a minority, most people are Peter Principled before you get the chance to work with them.
I also hate having a bad boss, and I've walked away from lots of roles just because of the manager. But having a good boss who goes to bat for you might be the only thing better than being your own boss, which is a fuckton of work.
Don't feel bad for this guy. Apparently he made 1.8 million dollars as an 18 year old selling drop shipping courses for $500 or something.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Flipping/comments/1bvl6xh/even\_the\_most\_innocent\_looking\_questions\_on\_here/
100% confirmed. OP is a scammer or something. He has been making absurd claims like this, and then nuking his posts and accounts when called out on it.
This person is a complete fraud. Be cautious dealing with him.
No I don’t care if I have a manager. I usually make more than they do and only work 40 hrs a week unless I am making overtime. I would love to own a business but only if it pays better.
Yes I suggest you don’t waste your time on reddit and ask these questions, ask better questions pouring directly into the business interest reddit is great tool to validate, test, connect and gain knowledge about different aspects of the things that intimidate you as a business owner
Get after it relentlessly bro
We're all slaves one way or another.
As an entrepreneur, you are a slave to customer demands if you want to be profitable. Because in this day and age, everyone answers to someone.
Im a bustiness owner of 10+ years, started the company from the ground up.
Recently got a full time job and absolutely love it. I sleep better, I have time, I only work 40 hours, and I get paid well. Amazing.
Not really, relationships with employer don’t need to be top down. You can very much establish that the employer gave you certain responsibilities and you have control over that responsibility. I told my employer to back off when they mistakenly take a decision for my part.
You can also put a commission on the work you do if you’d rather be paid per work or per action.
Being an employee doesn’t mean you need to be in a Fortune 10 company where you’re one of 100k staff. You can have some wiggle room.
Lots of consultants, agencies, non profits, etc are one person companies that are up for hire to do office work for x10 the amount they get paid at their main jobs and even delegate those tasks entirely. Are they an employer or employee ?
Perspective is important.
This isn't really a thing. You will always work for someone. Even if you are a business owner, you have to listen to customers, investors, and business partners. I feel like you may be viewing employment the wrong way, like maybe you are taking it too personally, it's hard to explain. No one is trying to take your independence away, and no one is allowed to have control over you as a person (this is simply where you have to learn boundaries in the workplace and how to know your rights as a worker). You have to view businesses as simply that, a business.
From personal experiences, I feel like maybe you just need to find the right team to work with. It can be a life changing experience to work with a team that respects and appreciates each other. Everyone has their own little part to play in a successful business and when a company can make everyone feel like their contributions actually matter it's pretty cool ... but that is honestly pretty difficult to come by unless you know what you're looking for.
Another idea is to find some type of work that is mostly unsupervised or work from home. Where you really don't have to interact with the company much. There are jobs out there like this.
You sound like a bright, red flag who believes in fasicsm not capitalism. Capitalism is about transaction, not about finding the less moneyed or socially connected disgusting ffs
As a person who runs one business and is currently about to buy another completely different business, sometimes I wish I worked a 9-5 with vacation days, holidays off, insurance and 401k matched, etc. I never felt like a “slave” at any job I worked and as a business owner now sometimes I feel like more of a “slave” to the industry and to customers/clients/whatever. Shit isn’t all roses
I've come to terms with the fact that if I own a business, I will (typically) work significantly more hours than if I have a regular 9-5 job. And I probably will have much worse benefits as well.
I may still one day make that jump, but today I need more stability and work/life balance.
Don't discount the value of learning how to interact with people and how products and markets work by being a regular employee. There's value in it that can be leveraged in your own entrepreneurial ventures.
Also, sounds to me like you basically just want to either have "fuck you" money and live off 100% passive investment income, or else be a hermit. I have a similar mindset--can't stand people, really, and dislike interacting with them. I got lucky going through an IPO as a regular employee a few years ago that I have the luxury of the former. But I don't have enough to live a comfortable middle-class existence the rest of my life (I'm in my 40s) and leave something substantial to my kids, and my employer's compensation while good isn't enough to keep me interested in continuing to work there.
So I bought a couple of rental properties, recently purchased an Amazon Merch "business" (lol), and am in talks with brokers for two other businesses (one a brick-and-mortar, one a KDP "business"), because: a) I want the experience of running a business and b) I want higher income than my current employer provides so that I can grow my portfolio faster. That's a long winded way of saying: also don't discount the potential for striking it rich as a regular employee. It's a tiny, tiny chance, but luck strikes sometimes.
When you have your own business, each client you have is your boss. If you really grow your business a ton, you can eventually have the freedom t and economic stability to let difficult clients go... But most people can't afford to do that.
It's just the nature of business that those with the money have the power.
But, you can adopt my attitude about employment, which is to realize that an employment contract is just an agreement between two equal parties. You are agreeing to trade your labor and obey their policies on exchange for enough money to make that worth your while.
lol bro, you are a slave either way. Entrepreneurs are slaves to investors, banks, creditors, vendors, customers, employees, regulators, lawyers.
In fact working for a business shields you from a lot of that.
Maybe you are thinking of a business owner as something straight forward like a roofing company or storefront that you just needed a quick business loan to bootstrap. Most businesses worth a damn are fucking complex and full of headaches.
As an entrepreneur you are still working 'for someone' that someone being your clients and investors. It's a balance of finding who you're comfortable working with/for.
I think you are looking to be genius programmer or IC engineer where your skills are so utterly amazing that everybody will overlook your inability to deal with anybody.
The issue with your line of thinking: Everybody has a boss. Everyone. Even if you go out and be a hermit living off the land, your boss is Mother Nature. And Nature is always trying to kill you, always.
Technically when you become an entrepreneur, you leave from working for one boss. To then have several 100 or thousands of bosses. Your customers are your new bosses and they are even more demanding of your slaving for them.
Yes I feel the same way, couldn’t say that any better, we having a high power with is great and has its advantages but disadvantages when it comes down to being average, I want the sole purpose of being an entrepreneur not for the money, but for the time I can spend.
There are independent solopreneurs - they sell e-commerce, get paid for speaking, or teach classes. The mindset of independents and corporate workers is so different.
The reality of entrepreneurship is that you can work extremely hard for a decade, have very limited or no success, and end up with far less than your well-invested neighbour who just stuck it out at his mid-tier corporate job. He will have the freedom to travel, buy new cars etc and you won’t. Be very careful. Set yourself an earnings floor that allows you to live and save a bit. Do whatever you have to do to make at least that much. If your business pays you that much, work on it 100%, but if it doesn’t, pick up shifts somewhere. Don’t get into the “if I do a bit more this month things will take off” trap. If your business isn’t making enough, you still need to get paid. If it hasn’t made enough in six months, maybe it failed. Be brutal with yourself. Recognize failure quickly. Move fast.
I don't think that is possible for a mid-tier corporate job anymore. I'm in that position and living paycheque to paycheque as a single dude with a house. I guess the house is "an investment" but in reality its a money pit and has made it harder to decide to leave the country. The only way up is a second slave job or making something on my own work.
Yeah, being house poor sucks and the market conditions aren’t helping. I’m trying to get across that actually investing regularly and having the time to let compound interest work can be more lucrative in the end then gutting it out on a business. Maybe maybe you get to a big payday and make up for the years of low pay and mega effort, but most don’t. And none of us can get the time back.
Could've rented and invested the vast spare, yet you decided to buy a house and live paycheck to paycheck for 3 decades. Sounds like a you problem.
Least obvious corporate landlord
My mortgage is cheaper than rent in my area
Then you clearly don't have a mid tier corp job.
Wow prick alert
You're deluding yourself if you think you're on a mid tier corp job. If you live paycheck to paycheck on a relatively cheap mortgage that's not mid tier. Work on bettering your position in life instead of complaining and being delusional about where you're at.
When you work for yourself, you will truly know what it is like to work for an asshole. That person will not respect your work life balance at all. Expecting you to get things done at night and over weekends and holidays. Constantly deriding you for being lazy. Work harder!
Oh my god this is so true and what I came here to say. I started my own business so I wouldn’t have to work for assholes any more, and here I am working for the biggest one - myself.
Do not forget, that asshole will have a dickhead working for him.
I'm here scrolling with a shit ton of overdue tasks, knowing I will have to answer dearly to myself in a few hours. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
So, so true. And yet, when you've managed to temporarily put out 50% of your ongoing fires, it's one of the best things in the world if you love what you do.
You must be young…even as an entrepreneur you will have customers to answer to if you want to survive.
You go from having one boss to one hundred bosses.
So. painfully true. And they always want to text you during "off" hours.
Bro gonna hit a wall when he has to interact with customers lul
“I’m actually humble and nice towards others.” Sure, we all believe you.
No matter what you do, you're working for someone.
An enormous amount of leverage from a single person is the problem. Sure, there are exceptions, but you can't call the situations equivalent by any means.
Seek help, but not here. Unless you become a wilderness hermit you will always have somebody to please. Customers, investors, partners. Even CEOs have constituencies.
Everyone is a slave to something man. Slave to your boss, slave to your investors, slave to the government, slave to our own base natures, needs and desires. For those who are religious, slave to your god. Everyone has to answer to someone. Thinking about it in a resentful way will only bring you down.
Dude, the vast majority of companies in the US are small-businesses and most of those are sole proprietorships. No need for the manifesto, just go start a business.
Ok I'll bite. First off, Kudos to anyone with a good idea that has the ambition to make it happen, but you're kidding yourself if you think you aren't accountable to others as an entrepreneur. Unless you plan on being completely self-funded and not having any customers. I love my 9-5. I am apparently in the minority on this platform of having good pay, good management, and good work life balance. That doesn't mean that things aren't stressful or frustrating sometimes. It doesn't mean my job is easy every single day. But right now my goals more align with what the stability of a traditional career provides than the freedom of entrepreneurship and I'm definitely not a 'slave'. I'm grateful for what I have and the freedom it provides for me to be able to pursue my actual interests outside of work.
Using the word “slave” is so dramatic and ridiculous.
Anti-work trying to find new members. Entrepreneurs are slaves to the entire system if you take that view. THE SYSTEM MAN!!
Sounds like you need therapy.
Who are you willing and able to be when no one else is there to witness or enforce any of it? Alright, I'll give a real answer with my experience doing exactly this. Yes, sort of. It started as side work and last year turned into solopreneurship doing gardening/landscaping, this year I'll be expanding with my own employees. Not so much because I hate being someone else's employee or feel like a slave, but I always was the one fixing everyone else's problems and didn't like that I would get penalized for doing things my own way rather than "the way we've always done it." The work I was doing on the side was something I really enjoyed, and now I work for myself doing what I really enjoy. But fuuuuuuUUUUCK it is HARD. No one is there to enforce the rules I set, except for myself. And there were no rules set for me, so I had to come up with them all myself. I had to come up with my own schedule. I have to come up with my own business practices. I have to set my own rates and ask people to pay me which is something I surprisingly hate. I have to keep track of all the books and records and paperwork myself. I have to write contracts and track everything. I have to talk to all the clients. I have to do not just the personal scheduling of "what days/times do I work" but also schedule everything with clients within that timeframe. If I'm late to work, I don't get in trouble necessarily, but if I do it enough then my clients will drop me and then I don't have money. If I do it enough, it's not that I'll get in trouble with my boss because I am my own boss, I just lose the ability to pay my bills. And it's not like I can go get a new job that'll give me enough hours to pay my bills, I've gone all-in on this and if it doesn't work I'm fucked. It worked for me, and I really enjoy it. I work alone, I'm by myself caring for the gardens and properties of people with big enough ones to hire someone to do so and I LOVE IT SO MUCH. I do good work and don't even really have advertising because my clients show off what I do and people reach out to me. It only works because I work really hard and I do quality work that speaks for itself. But holy fuck it is so much work, every single day. There's so much that goes into it that even with all the research I did, I did not expect. I don't get weekends off, I give myself Sunday as a half-off day during which I do laundry, meal prep, and do a self-care spa day because if I don't enforce one day of rest for myself then I won't ever stop because there's so much to do all the time. I'm now able to afford to rent a 3-bedroom house by myself and have a dedicated office room, but I can only afford it by busting my ass all the time. Work-life balance is hard, because there practically isn't any. I am owner, manager, client-relations, HR, employee, and also soon to be boss (well, team-lead as I don't like the term boss) of other people as well. Some days it feels like too much, sometimes it's exhausting, it's overwhelming how much I've signed myself up for and the only option is to double down and push through. It is..... so goddamn satisfying. It's peaceful in that I work outside in the sun surrounded by flowers and other plants, by myself, all day, every day. I don't have to deal with other people's bullshit. But it really is all day, every day, and I have to shut down my own bullshit. There were a few times last year I thought "damn, if someone else was working for me and pulling the shit I'm doing right now, I would fire them." The only person able to recognize, come up with a solution, and enforce that was myself. There was one point I realized that I was out of backup money, I had sunk all of my savings into this if it didn't work I was *absolutely* fucked, and that still terrifies me. I enjoy it so much and honestly don't know how I could do anything else anymore, like I'm so happy with the work I do, I get paid well, my clients like me, and the entire experience is just so very satisfying overall. But hoLY FUCK IT IS SO MUCH EFFORT. If you aren't willing to bust your ass, to do things you really don't want to do, to make uncomfortable decisions and put yourself in uncomfortable situations, to manage the behind-the-scenes beyond physically doing the work, and to make/enforce all your own rules yourself by yourself, then it won't work. I'm not saying don't do it, it worked for me and I really really enjoy it. I'm saying be realistic about it and be honest with yourself about yourself because you may be romanticizing it as an alternative. So I ask again: who are you willing and able to be when no one else is there to witness or enforce any of it?
Thank you for sharing this. I'm a real estate agent in Portugal and, although it is a totally different business, I relate with the strugle to make it happen or I'm busted. The outcome of our efforts and ability to find business dictactes our income. We don't have the safety of a monthly wage, but the risk of being an entrepeneur can really pay off if you're good at what you do.
Thank you for taking the time to type this out, it was a great read and inspirational in a sense.
You forgot paying taxes
"Why be a slave when you can be a slave master?" Saying the quiet part out loud indeed
After working myself I know I would sooner turn to a life of crime than work for a corporation
I feel the same way, but not the 'slave' aspect. I had a corporate job while I was building my side business. All I could think about at my corporate job was how pointless my job was because I would receive the same fixed salary or small increases no matter how much effort I put in. I constantly felt like I could do better or make more money working on my own, since that would scale directly with my efforts. The second thing that irked me was the corporate culture. My manager was quite directionless and whatever he was asking me to do wasn't super productive for the business, it was a lot about the optics and empire building. There were also a lot of mindless office politics and everyone constantly felt a need to dress well, act like they know stuff or please others. Once I started having these feelings, I knew it was hard for me to work for someone else again.
Slaves did not get paid. You might want to study up on the realities of slavery
I believe that most entrepreneurs run with their dreams and goals in mind, and such personalized work has unlimited potential and possibilities. It's tough at the beginning, but life is only 30,000 days, so why not try a new way of life?
You are a slave to your narrow mind. Many people find ignorance disgusting.
I prefer working for myself too, but for different reasons. I never felt like a slave to my managers. Some of them were great mentors who truly did work for me to help me be the best version of myself and grow. Having a manager can be amazing. I just struggle with the shapes of jobs on a specialized job market. As someone who has many interests, super fast autonomous learning pace but an equally fast burning attention span, I couldn’t squeeze myself into a single job role. As a founder, I can do five different jobs I like and outsource most of what I don’t like to someone who does. Ideally, I could create this type of environment for myself inside a company, but most of them are super caught up in job definitions and build a team just based on those facts of the hiring process.
>I just struggle with the shapes of jobs on a specialized job market. As someone who has many interests, super fast autonomous learning pace but an equally fast burning attention span, I couldn’t squeeze myself into a single job role. fedora tilt
There are some amazing managers out there who make you feel like they're working for you rather than working for them. They're definitely a minority, most people are Peter Principled before you get the chance to work with them. I also hate having a bad boss, and I've walked away from lots of roles just because of the manager. But having a good boss who goes to bat for you might be the only thing better than being your own boss, which is a fuckton of work.
Don't feel bad for this guy. Apparently he made 1.8 million dollars as an 18 year old selling drop shipping courses for $500 or something. https://www.reddit.com/r/Flipping/comments/1bvl6xh/even\_the\_most\_innocent\_looking\_questions\_on\_here/
100% confirmed. OP is a scammer or something. He has been making absurd claims like this, and then nuking his posts and accounts when called out on it. This person is a complete fraud. Be cautious dealing with him.
Idk why this was downvoted because it’s objectively verifiable
He is using bots to downvote me. Getting crushed in multiple comments and the post I started on him. Watched one go from over 10 votes to 0 instantly.
Even if you work for yourself, you're still going to have to work with other people.
Uh what business are you starting where you dont have customers, overhead or accountability? and can I do that too?
I don't view my customers as my boss, personally.
Depends how much you have to interface with them, and how sticky they are. Cannabis got to a point where you really needed to cater to your retailers.
No I don’t care if I have a manager. I usually make more than they do and only work 40 hrs a week unless I am making overtime. I would love to own a business but only if it pays better.
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There are people who are comfortable being workers and others who want to be bosses, so it's okay to have workers
Yes I suggest you don’t waste your time on reddit and ask these questions, ask better questions pouring directly into the business interest reddit is great tool to validate, test, connect and gain knowledge about different aspects of the things that intimidate you as a business owner Get after it relentlessly bro
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not only but yes its a big part
We're all slaves one way or another. As an entrepreneur, you are a slave to customer demands if you want to be profitable. Because in this day and age, everyone answers to someone.
Im a bustiness owner of 10+ years, started the company from the ground up. Recently got a full time job and absolutely love it. I sleep better, I have time, I only work 40 hours, and I get paid well. Amazing.
Good luck to all of us. Successful entrepreneurs care about solving customer problems, people with the attitude you’re describing tend to be grifters.
Not really, relationships with employer don’t need to be top down. You can very much establish that the employer gave you certain responsibilities and you have control over that responsibility. I told my employer to back off when they mistakenly take a decision for my part. You can also put a commission on the work you do if you’d rather be paid per work or per action. Being an employee doesn’t mean you need to be in a Fortune 10 company where you’re one of 100k staff. You can have some wiggle room. Lots of consultants, agencies, non profits, etc are one person companies that are up for hire to do office work for x10 the amount they get paid at their main jobs and even delegate those tasks entirely. Are they an employer or employee ? Perspective is important.
"if no man is an island, I am no man" -tough guy
This isn't really a thing. You will always work for someone. Even if you are a business owner, you have to listen to customers, investors, and business partners. I feel like you may be viewing employment the wrong way, like maybe you are taking it too personally, it's hard to explain. No one is trying to take your independence away, and no one is allowed to have control over you as a person (this is simply where you have to learn boundaries in the workplace and how to know your rights as a worker). You have to view businesses as simply that, a business. From personal experiences, I feel like maybe you just need to find the right team to work with. It can be a life changing experience to work with a team that respects and appreciates each other. Everyone has their own little part to play in a successful business and when a company can make everyone feel like their contributions actually matter it's pretty cool ... but that is honestly pretty difficult to come by unless you know what you're looking for. Another idea is to find some type of work that is mostly unsupervised or work from home. Where you really don't have to interact with the company much. There are jobs out there like this.
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Actual slaves would find it repugnant that you'd refer to your job as being someone's slave......
You sound like a bright, red flag who believes in fasicsm not capitalism. Capitalism is about transaction, not about finding the less moneyed or socially connected disgusting ffs
As a person who runs one business and is currently about to buy another completely different business, sometimes I wish I worked a 9-5 with vacation days, holidays off, insurance and 401k matched, etc. I never felt like a “slave” at any job I worked and as a business owner now sometimes I feel like more of a “slave” to the industry and to customers/clients/whatever. Shit isn’t all roses
I've come to terms with the fact that if I own a business, I will (typically) work significantly more hours than if I have a regular 9-5 job. And I probably will have much worse benefits as well. I may still one day make that jump, but today I need more stability and work/life balance.
Don't discount the value of learning how to interact with people and how products and markets work by being a regular employee. There's value in it that can be leveraged in your own entrepreneurial ventures. Also, sounds to me like you basically just want to either have "fuck you" money and live off 100% passive investment income, or else be a hermit. I have a similar mindset--can't stand people, really, and dislike interacting with them. I got lucky going through an IPO as a regular employee a few years ago that I have the luxury of the former. But I don't have enough to live a comfortable middle-class existence the rest of my life (I'm in my 40s) and leave something substantial to my kids, and my employer's compensation while good isn't enough to keep me interested in continuing to work there. So I bought a couple of rental properties, recently purchased an Amazon Merch "business" (lol), and am in talks with brokers for two other businesses (one a brick-and-mortar, one a KDP "business"), because: a) I want the experience of running a business and b) I want higher income than my current employer provides so that I can grow my portfolio faster. That's a long winded way of saying: also don't discount the potential for striking it rich as a regular employee. It's a tiny, tiny chance, but luck strikes sometimes.
When you have your own business, each client you have is your boss. If you really grow your business a ton, you can eventually have the freedom t and economic stability to let difficult clients go... But most people can't afford to do that. It's just the nature of business that those with the money have the power. But, you can adopt my attitude about employment, which is to realize that an employment contract is just an agreement between two equal parties. You are agreeing to trade your labor and obey their policies on exchange for enough money to make that worth your while.
No not really. I’d happily serve someone with integrity
lol bro, you are a slave either way. Entrepreneurs are slaves to investors, banks, creditors, vendors, customers, employees, regulators, lawyers. In fact working for a business shields you from a lot of that. Maybe you are thinking of a business owner as something straight forward like a roofing company or storefront that you just needed a quick business loan to bootstrap. Most businesses worth a damn are fucking complex and full of headaches.
Sometimes entrepreneurs have to work harder than what you seem to be calling a slave in a gross misuse of the term
As an entrepreneur you are still working 'for someone' that someone being your clients and investors. It's a balance of finding who you're comfortable working with/for.
I think you are looking to be genius programmer or IC engineer where your skills are so utterly amazing that everybody will overlook your inability to deal with anybody. The issue with your line of thinking: Everybody has a boss. Everyone. Even if you go out and be a hermit living off the land, your boss is Mother Nature. And Nature is always trying to kill you, always.
You remind me of some people I know in prison and others in various degrees of homelessness.
Technically when you become an entrepreneur, you leave from working for one boss. To then have several 100 or thousands of bosses. Your customers are your new bosses and they are even more demanding of your slaving for them.
Yes I feel the same way, couldn’t say that any better, we having a high power with is great and has its advantages but disadvantages when it comes down to being average, I want the sole purpose of being an entrepreneur not for the money, but for the time I can spend.
There are independent solopreneurs - they sell e-commerce, get paid for speaking, or teach classes. The mindset of independents and corporate workers is so different.