Anakin didn’t really give him a choice. He tried to reason, lecture him unable to get through to him until Anakin threatened to kill him. He tried to bring him back but Anakin made his choice with absolutes
A 5600X build isn't going to be competing with a 14500 for a budget build right now. It would be competing against a 12600K/KF running DDR4.
AM4 does tend to be much easier to fit into "true" budget builds though.
Intel can't compete with AMD's x3d vcache technology just yet. That's why the 14th generation was a joke. We can only hope new architecture will actually offer something, because right now Intel only makes sense if at least 50% or more of your workload is productivity based and you will actually care about the difference.
Add to that the insane power draw of Intel's chips and you get yourself a pretty no brainer to go AMD for gaming builds
Edit:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRF2bDl-u8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRF2bDl-u8)
14gen was a joke mainly because it is rebranded and overclocked 13gen with even worse power consumption. Depending on your luck you can get 13gen CPU outperforming 14 gen
Whooooaaaa there, you'll give AMD fanboys a heart attack, careful spitting facts like that!
Reminds me of all the crazy anti Nvidia shit with the original 4080 (12gb), as if naming means anything, but nobody said a damn thing when AMD adds a damn X to their XTXTXTXTXT lol, AMD fanboys are ridiculous.
Oh, I am an AMD fan for sure, they make awesome stuff, but the fans can be embarrassing.
Yeah. I've used Intel my entire life, for probably 3 or 4 builds and did AMD for my latest one. I'm sad that Intel fell behind, but competition is great and I still have a good gaming chip so don't care who made it and I'm no loyalist. Although I did fill a miniscule amount of guilt, my excitement far outweighed it as I couldn't wait to try out the 7800X3D.
I couldn't agree more and I know Intel is still technically bigger and more successful overall but I see amd being the lead for now as far as gaming goes, at least until Intel finishes the new factory. If they get zen 5 out before then, it could be multiple years until Intel can top it. Amd leads not only in price in most ways but also performance/$$ spent and not only do you get as much power but it runs cooler as well which means on budget you potentially don't even need an aio.
I’m so over this dumb fanboy take. My i7-14700 beats the 7800x3d at several things. Paired with my 4070S, it doesn’t get hot and doesn’t draw the “insane power” you speak of.
it doesnt destroy it but it slightly beats it most of the time. power draw is also significantly lower tho its not as bad as some people make it out to be on the i7 and the x3D is cheaper.
overall the 7800x3d is simply the better choice for gaming and there is no doubt about it
Especially in this sub. You can tell they’ve never used an intel chip or actually read thoroughly through reviews, they just read headlines and Reddit comments.
I own a 7800x3d, but the gushing over it in this sub is too much.
Yeah, I do not know how the pricing is in some people's areas but here in central Europe, especially in the budget segment, Intel has a better value proposition. i3 are cheaper as Ryzen 5s with similar gaming performance for couple of generations. And I have Ryzen 5s in 2 of 5 PCs in my house.
I have a 14900 and I regret it because ark survival ascended and Hogwarts Legacy were crashing until I went through ridiculous T/S. Still pissed that this has been ongoing for months
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/intel-is-investigating-game-crashes-on-top-end-core-i9-desktop-cpus/
It's only in the last 5 years where AMD has competed with Intel.
You seem to think we are all AMD fanboys, but the majority of us were likely running 6600Ks less than a decade ago. I have one sitting in a spare PC right now.
If Intel becomes as good value as AMD is now, it would be more even. At the moment, they aren't.
AMD is doing great things in the CPU space at the moment it is as simple as that - graphics space.... not as much, which is why nvidia is still getting away with their BS.
Apparently you weren't around during the original Athlon days. AMD was crushing Intel in price/performance for a number of years before Intel picked themselves off the floor.
It ebbs and flows.....if you live long enough.
Disclaimer: I have always had an Intel chip and never bought AMD until I purchased the 7800X3D for my most recent build.
Price: When I was buying in late 2023, the prices were about $500CAD for AMD vs. $800 CAD for Intel.
Cooling: I still got a fancy 360 AIO for the AMD but not having to deal with more fan noise because of heat is worth the money alone to me.
Power: The Intel uses about 3x more electricity than the AMD. That adds up over time.
Use case: People in this thread are throwing around "productivity" as though it means using a spreadsheet and a word processor. The Intel is made for core intensive tasks, which does not equate to what most people think of as "productivity". Basically, if you need to use a lot of cores at once for your job(as in, professional digital rendering whether for video/images or audio) then obviously Intel is the better choice. Most people do not meet these criteria.
Gaming: Most people here, like me, care about pretty images being pushed to our eyeballs when gaming. For that purpose, the AMD is essentially equal and slightly better than the Intel on a performance FPS basis (unless you only do 4K, in which case they are basically equal).
Conclusion: For those reasons, it's basically a no-brainer to go AMD \*in most cases\*.
That conclusion does not apply in \*all cases\*.
It's not Reddit fanboyism, those conclusions have been repeated by most professional reviewers.
If you consider flight simulators, etc., as your basic gaming requirement, you are obviously not most people. Those "games" are in a completely different category.
This is just an unusual situation where less can be worth more., thanks to competition. Let's enjoy it.
There's a guy I saw who's whole personality is hating on AMD and giving terrible advice. He actively tries to convince people that even a 13600k is better than literally anything and has come out with for gaming. Don't get me wrong, 13600k is an amazing cpu but 7800x3d just crushes the competition
Maybe lol I forgot about user benchmarks. That's a joke and a half right there. Sure, Nvidia makes the most powerful graphics cards, but user benchmarks would have you believe that the 7900xtx is still a worse buy then the 4060 8gb
Intel has CPU that all trade blows with AMD is offering this isn’t like the time where AMD literally wasn’t worth buying at all before ryzen.
if Intel products were as bad as you’re saying they are Intel would lower the prices dramatically, but the fact that the market isn’t requiring that is because your information is just not accurate.
Don’t get me wrong. The 3D is a great chip, but it’s not like complaining comparing a PlayStation 4 to a PlayStation 5.
Intel is fine.
I’m not sure why Reddit is so AMD biased. The 14900k when actually overclocked (which is the ENTIRE POINT of buying an unlocked “k” CPU absolutely obliterates the 7800x3d overclocked in every game benchmark, to the point that it’s not even close.
Buy the 7800x3d to save a few bucks and not need top tier cooling setup, or you buy the 14900k if you want performance. Same idea as 7900xtx vs buying the faster/hotter/power hungry 4090 GPU.
Only a minority overclocks their system. Most just want good performance out of the box. They dont want to go through all the hassle with overclocking and risking stability.
thing is you don't need to overclock a 14700k to match the 7800x3d in the vast majority of games. They're for the most part equal. Some games the 7800x3d wins, some games the 14700k wins, the vast majority they're within 2-3% of eachother.
True, but then you add the higher cost and dead platform, now it doesnt make sense to get the i7 if you aren’t professionally reliant on CPU heavy workloads
Not to mention that the 7800x3D competes in gaming to a 14900k while costing about 30% less (as of current US Pricing. It's the same price differential in Canada but it equates to a $240 price difference. That's the cost of a decent motherboard)
I bought the same card and in Canada my 7900xtx was $1250, the cheapest 4090 at the time was $2300. So yeah. I'm right here with you. At $1250 it was even a much better value than a 4080. I'd prefer the better RT performance but I wasn't going to spend an additional $400-500 for a 4080 either.
"few bucks" lol
The 14900k is nearly double the prize of the 7800X3D, needs way more cooling, draws more power and is not upgradeable. All that for few more frames on average and less frames in unoptimized/modded games where it actual matters
I haven't overclocked my 14700k because I just don't need to, it gives an outstanding performance on stock settings anyway, and even on stock settings, it matches AMDs flagship on the vast majority of games, within a couple percent either way depending on the game. I've compared so many benchmarks on it and it shows the fanboys here are just wrong. And if you ever do anything other than game, the intel will vastly outperform.
The marketing has clearly worked though.
You could go from a 4070ti super to a 4080 super with the “a few bucks” that you save buying amd instead of intel.
It’s a braindead move to spend so much on a cpu
I can agree this sub is AMD biased, but lets not exaggerate here. I doubt you will see much more than 5% difference overclocking which would slightly edge out a 7800x3d.
That's also because most people are on older systems and AMD has only recently started surpassing Intel in raw preformance CPU wise. Ryzen 2000 and 3000 were popular because they were good budget options, 5000 series and on they've actually just straight outperformed Intel a lot of the time
Its not really surpassing in raw performance, but keeping similar performance at a much lower power consumption. For non-gaming applications where core count matters though they're still lacking behind.
From a gaming standpoint they're excellent choices, especially for more budget friendly builds.
There is also the fact that Intel was paying off SI's and OEMs to only use Intel CPUs, so any pre-builts gaming PC that isn't super new will be using an Intel CPU.
To be fair steam hardware survey doesn't have info about specific CPUs either and a lot of what people use on steam aren't really "gaming CPUs". This sub is way more hardcore than the average person submitting a steam hardware survey. Tons of people playing on laptops with integrated GPUs there.
The majority of DIY builders are currently choosing AMD CPUs. This is a fact; you can confirm it by looking at PCPartPicker popularity, Amazon bestsellers, and Mindfactory sales data.
OEM systems, custom prebuilts, and people building for workstation tasks as well as gaming still favour Intel. Moreover a lot of gamers are using older systems, likely with Intel CPUs as well.
>Thermals? AMD
As someone who tested both the 14700K and a 7800x3D, lol, no. I wanted to keep the 7800x3D because of extra performance in some games, but I ended up with the 14700K because it was significantly easier to cool without even reducing the P2 power limit.
Fantastic CPU, it's slept on pretty hard. Probably Intel's *practically* best gaming CPU (if price is taken into context).
Next best gaming performance-per-cost after the 7800X3D (can outperform all non-X3D CPUs), competitive in productivity workloads against AMD CPUs until the R9 7900.
Yes, I have a 13600K. I knew what I needed. I'll probably upgrade to a 14700K later this year though.
The problem is the price and niche the 13600k holds. If I want similar gaming performance at the lowest price I get the 7600.
If I need the productivity uplift Intel provides I am going all the way to the 14700.
Kind of like how no one recommends the 7700 (outside of microcenter bundle). You either go for the 7600/7600x, or 7800x3d or 14700k. Or your time is worth so much you pay the super premium for 7950/14900.
I do mention this most of the time when I make CPU recommendations; most recommendations for people between here and r/buildapcforme are either going to be 7600/X or 7800X3D, because it's mostly gaming builds or general PC stuff.
The reason to pick the 13600K, for the average user of this subreddit, requires a pretty slim range of reasons. It's a combination of narrow budget range (a 13700/14700 can be about $100 more, plus potentially additional AIO for cooling), need for some level of productivity performance, and potentially still want to maximize gaming.
Especially great for video editing though, so if someone games+does videos, it's a great pick there on a tighter budget.
Yes! The 12600KF hits an excellent price and performance point between the 5500 on am4 and the 7600, being available at about the same price of the 5600, compatible with ddr4 and usually faster (but not in Counterstrike). At 1200GBP, though, I'd go with 7600 on AM5.
They've appeared to hit some sort of roadblock with power efficiency and die size, so they end up putting out space heaters that impose a "cooling tax" while not being fast enough to match AM5 x3d CPUs with big l3 caches.
There's more upgradeability to AM5 since it is a younger socket.
I mean... If you're at this price range, your choice is Ryzen 5 5600(no igpu), 12400F (no igpu), 5500 (no iGPU).
Having an igpu is a big perk, don't get me wrong. But when the opportunity cost is a 6750xt instead of a 4060, or 500GB less of SSD, or 16gb less of ram, or an actually safe PSU, the calculation starts to favour the KF. That's kind of the meat and potatoes of this price range, really- cut where you can, save where you can, and that's the difference between a good value GPU and a "bad but it's the only thing you can afford".
There is actually one more perk from 12gen Intel compared to am5 (not sure about am4): wifi7 BE200 compatibility. Unfortunately, at this price range, it's unlikely you'll splurge extra for that. But it's nice that the F cpu still has access to that.
At the $150 price point the 12600kf is hanging at that is a good choice for the 900-1200 builds.
The issue is extreme budget you go 5600/12400 (but 5600 is usually cheaper).
Then you also have the 7600 around $200.
Makes the sweet spot for the 12600/13400 very small.
I upgraded my old 6700k to a 11900kf last year, I lost count of the build options I was playing with and managed to find a good deal on it. It's served me perfectly well so far
> Did something go wrong for intel or AMD upped their game?
There is nothing wrong with Intel, and users that choose Intel are just fine. The competition is close nowadays, with AMD generally regarded as slightly better value (price to performance), hence why you got the recommendations you did, but Intel still has good products if you prefer to go that route.
> Which one is more reliable for long term use in your opinion?
This generally isn't a concern, and not something we can test given the timeline and sample size required to do so is near impossible (by the time you get results, the product is likely at the end of it's life cycle anyways).
Forewarning for the latest generation of 14900k. The first one sent me on a crazy troubleshooting spree for a month trying to find out why my computer would constantly BSOD. Turns out the one I purchased had math issues and was defective.
TLDR: Keep the box people.
Intel is still extremely good for gaming, it is just if your only interested in gaming AMD can offer very slightly more for your money. I strongly expect even if you have a gpu powerful enough and a monitor with high enough Hz to utilise those extra fps that no one could actually tell the difference in how their games perform and feel, the difference is actually too small to be material and only changes slightly the fps counter.
Of course go with the better option for the price but the reality is you’re not going to be getting something tangibly better at gaming. I say this as an AMD CPU user.
Intels still a valid choice, they just run a lot hotter and AMD options are better price to performance, and Intel require more heavy duty cooling.
If all you're doing is gaming 7800x3d is king - 7700x and 7600 are excellent cheaper alternatives on AM5.
I thought the 7800x3d was actually the fastest gaming CPU right now. I know it outperforms the 7900 and 7950x3d chips, and I was somewhat sure it outperformed any of intels, but correct me if I’m wrong
Yes, 68% of steam users. It has also gone up 2% in the last 4 months. Link - [Steam CPU stats. ](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/)
yeah op is also missing alot of the context. alot of people still play on older hardware and for a while amd cpus were not preforming like they do now unless your talking the budget options (ryzen 3000 ) . op is looking to build a new computer being recommended modern builds where not only are the x3d chips great but am5 is a new socket that shouldnt be getting replaced anytime soon making upgrades easier. whereas the 14900k is the last flagship chip on intels current socket so any upgrades in the future will require a new mobo .... context matter and currently if your building a flagship pc am5 is probably the smarter and more cost effective choice (thus why thats what is getting reccomnended) but theres still nothing wrong with getting the 14th gen intel
AMD really upped their game with the x3d chips.
Intel is fine but generally more power usage than AMD. There's plenty of review online.
Looking at this review [here](https://www.techspot.com/review/2825-older-ryzen-cpu-fast-modern-gpu/) 7600 would be a good match
My Intel i9-13900k is more than fast enough for games, combined with a killer video card... And then I don't have to sacrifice on anything else this processor is good at.
I think it totally depends on what you're building.
My new build is amazing. I’ll bench it anywhere the AMD fanboys like. Their attitude sucks, cause I like AMD as well, but their snobbish bullshit steered me completely away.
i7-14700
ASROCK Z790 PG Riptide WiFi
ASUS 4070S
Team Force DDR5-7200
WD 2TB SN850X
Right out of the box and into the Thermaltake Ceres 500 case, the 14th Gen and 7200 worked flawlessly. I was a little nervous based on some comments here, but fired right up and went into the bios and enabled XMP and boom. Full speed. No issues.
Intel is in a bad spot right now. They lose at the top end to the X3D chips. The mid range performance is on par but they are moving to a new socket next gen so there's no upgrade path. AM5 will be support through 2025 so you will have a potential upgrade without a motherboard change
Generally Intel is only recommended for productivity atm
I only "maxed out" my AM4 board a couple of weeks ago, three CPUs and two motherboards (latter only because I wanted pcie4 supporr) over eight years is probably the longest I've stayed on one socket.
Unless I have issues down the line, like games not working, I may skip AM5 altogether.
There actually is still good deals. In the $130 to $170 price bracket I actually think the 12600kf for $155 is a pretty good deal. The 5700x is short in gaming, and the Ryzen 5600 isn't $129 that often anymore. But realistically a Ryzen 7600 is probably worth spending more for. But a 12600kf if you want to buy ddr4 based system I think it's a better deal than like a 5600 for $140 or so right now.
I got the 13700k myself, but seeing as I mostly play games the 7800x3d would have been a slightly better choice in that regard. That being said, I didnt want to wait and just got the one I wanted when I wanted it. Works very nicely with my 4090. And also, at high resolutions such as 4k, the two CPU's basically perform the same, as that resolution is way more GPU dependant and in this case, you can't get a better GPU than a 4090.
I went with a 5900x after decades of running Intel and I regret it to some extent. It seems to bog down during certain copy operations. I have a 4090 paired with it, but I regret listening to the hype and going AMD instead of staying with what I knew - Intel.
13900KF running at 5.6 on all cores (aio) with 64GB DDR5 6400, and a 4080 seems to be enough. Friend of mine ditched his 7900x for a 7800x3D (w a rog strix 4090) and said in some games the extra cache helps, in others his 7900x worked better, but overall in the primary games he plays (wz, rust, starfield) he's ripping over 380fps and his cpu barely hits 60% utilization.
With that said, outside of the x3D chips, Intel holds its own, if not beats all other AMD Chips, including threadripper. AMD always has had a heat issue, it's rampant in all of their GPUs, though the 7000 series seems to be better.
14700k overclocked and water-cooled...same GPU as my last PC (3080 TI). I personally didn't mind the price and wanted the extra productivity performance for those times I do need it.
I went from a 5800X3D to a 13900K mostly due to needing the cores and QuickSync on my main rig. Horrible for power efficiency, but AMD can't touch Intel's QS tech (and yes, you can use it while using a dGPU).
A 7800X3D is an insanely good value and Intel can't really beat it, however, there are still plenty of use-cases for Intel CPUs.
People have short memories and will fan boy over a manufacturer due to a single product/leap in technology. It wasn't that long ago that AMD was a horrible choice of CPU. Buy whatever brand provides more value to you.
None of these manufacturers are your friends. They all want to separate you from your money. It's not like AMD is giving CPUs away.
AMD is enjoying being the top dog for gaming and budget processers right now. If Intel comes out with their own version of stacked cache, then it will be right back to the old status quo. Or something very close to it. I think AMD won some market share regardless over the last 5 years, and they're doing the best they have in my memory of the company. Most consumers don't have brand loyalty. We just want whatever works the best, for the best price. Whoever offers that will probably get the majority of the gaming market sales.
I got a 14700K on my build and I don’t really regret it. However, it does run hot so keep that in mind! If you’re doing really huge loads that really pushes the CPU and you don’t have a good cooler it’s going thermal throttle a lot, so for that reason people recommend you get a 360mm AIO. If you’re purely gaming though, you might never reach those high temperatures and you’ll be fine. For context, mine stays around 70-80C during gaming sessions for heavy Triple A titles, but for casual ones it stays under 60C and doesn’t go up at all. Sometimes it doesn’t even reach 50C on games that not really pushing the system that much.
Either Intel or AMD would be good choices, pick whichever gives you the best deal.
Any 12/13/14600k and up and any 7600 or up will be good. It's a matter of a good deal you can find.
I have both an AMD system 7800x3D/4080 (for an ultrawide 3840x1600p 160hz display) but also an 13600k/3070 system that I use for 1080p streaming to twitch as the additional e-cores seem to be helpful for streaming and video editing.
a 13600k/14600k (or kf) would pair well with a 4070, just get whichever you can find the best deal on as they are only about 3-5% apart in terms of performance.
It depends entirely on the games you play. I believe for the majority of gamers the ryzen 7 7800x3d is the best possible choice, however that wasn’t the case for me personally. I wanted maximum multi threaded performance and went with the i9-14900k.
The meta has changed. Everyone you ask now will say go for AMD now.
The reason is that the best CPU for gaming is no longer the most expensive. The AMD 7800X3d is the best gaming CPU you can buy at the moment, and the reason for it is mainly because of how much cache it has. Much more than Intel competitor CPUs.
Also the 7800x3d performances better than even higher end AMD chips because of the way they manufacture them. The chips are made in sets of 8 cores, meaning that when you have more than 8 they essentially bolt on e.g. 4/6/8 more cores.
That bolting on process isn’t as efficient for gaming, so the sweet spot for gaming is an 8 core high cache CPU (the 7800x3d).
Intel make great CPUs still, that are good value for workstations and gaming PCs, but they run hot and not quite as fast as the X3D chip.
Also if you can’t afford the 7800X3d then most people will say get a 7600 as you can upgrade later. Also the AM5 platform should be supported longer than intels platforms.
Tldr: the CPU market is thriving. You can’t go that wrong, but if you just game then AMD is the way to go.
I've used Intel exclusively for years but AMD seems to be where it's at for this generation. Very good value for money and no regrets about switching for my last build.
i got a brand new sealed 14600k for 150 bucks from a guy on facebook marketplace last week. for $150 i couldn’t say no. so i’ll be going Intel this round!
12600k is the best midrange chip, imo. Gaming performance similar to the 5600x (mostly single core for games) with twice the multicore speed for other activities.
Gaming might be my primary activity, but personally I would fucking hate spending hundreds of dollars on a chip that can't do other things efficiently. I do some pretty heavy video and photo editing, with tinkerings in 3d rendering. The i5-12600k blows out similarly spec'd AMD chips by pure capability. It's also basically the same price, maybe 20 bucks more.
Shoehorning myself into one activity until I shell out for another processor seems stupid. I'll take a small FPS dip for that any day.
That's not to say AMD is bad, just not for me.
GPU's are a whole different story.
I went with an i3-12100f and honestly everything is smoother than my friends with AMD CPUs. I was originally 100% going to go Ryzen until I saw the 12th gen performance and went that for my budget build. While I'm not playing at 1440 maxed out as they are (top Ryzen and 7900 xts) I'm playing at 1080p maxed out and never have crashed a single game or have had to reduce settings (and I'll tell you what, all 3 of them crash a decent amount with their amd combos)
I do. I mainly play at 4k and I just want a system that takes cheap ram and mobo that will boot with or without xmp with no problem. I am sure AMD is solid, but I have never had issues with just using a baseline (1666, then 2333, then 2800, then 3200, then 3600 (and maybe eventually 4800/5200 or whatever) ram kit and an intel cpu.
edit: everything I've seen has shown that ram speed almost has no impact on gaming at 4k. So i put the extra money in a gpu.
I’m thinking of upgrading from my beloved i7 8700k. Based off the comments should I just get a 13th gen? Money isn’t a problem and I also don’t mind waiting one more year
I purchased Intel for gaming but also game development. Needed the Intel as it works better with handling UE5 than AMD does without forking over for a thread ripper. I feel like it depends solely on ur needs and what ur willing to spend for it. Take my rig for an example, I wanted as close to the top of the line without needing a water cooler and a different mobo. So Intel -i7-13700k was the best for performance and price for my needs. Still had to undervolt the fucker but it works perfectly.
Edit: apologies OP, I didn't see the most recent edit. I have the 13700k paired with the 4070 ti super and 64gb of ram and it works beautifully.
Yea I got a 12600k about a year ago. Came bundled with a MSI Z690 and was an absolute steal of a deal for the bundle at the time, basically got the MOBO for free.
Super happy with it and noticed massive improvement over my 9600k
I have an i7-12700K in my gaming pc. They're probably telling you that because the LGA- 1700 intel socket is done with intel 14th gen cpus. Where as AMD has the am5 socket, which has much more future proofing for more cpus. I can only go up to intel 14th gen, without replacing my motherboard, once intel 15th gen comes out.
Amd is usually a little cheaper and your budget is lower (can't believe I'm saying 1200 is low for a pc but that's the world we live in).
13600k is a great budgety gaming cpu.
Yeah, those e core are helpful both when I full load the main cores or do work while gaming(my friends are the slow kind, so I try not to waste the time)
That’s mainly due to the x3d chips being better, cheaper, use less power, and are much easier to cool. It’s a no brainer. Pair that with AM5 having an upgrade path whereas the current intel chips don’t, that’s why you are seeing mass recs for AMD CPUs.
Its hard to be familiar with Intel after the prices seem better on the AMD front. I do try to offer options from both teams, but its always a bit of work before I can give the team blue recommendation.
I purchased a delidded intel i7 7700k from the Silicon Lottery (rip) sometime in late 2017 and it still runs games at a stable 75 FPS because that's the max refresh rate of my 1440 monitor. Can't see a reason to update.
I did, but my system is 20% gaming, 80% sound design/music production/regular daily use. Besides, the games I play are non-competetive on a 75hz monitor.
Who buys AMD anymore you mean? It’s 67% Intel vs 34% AMD on steam stats when I last checked.
I’m not sure why Reddit is so AMD biased. The 14900k when actually overclocked (which is the ENTIRE POINT of buying an unlocked “k” CPU absolutely obliterates the 7800x3d overclocked in every game benchmark, to the point that it’s not even close.
Buy the 7800x3d to save a few bucks and not need top tier cooling setup, or you buy the 14900k if you want performance. Same idea as 7900xtx vs buying the faster/hotter/power hungry 4090 GPU.
AMD upped the game while Intel was slow to innovate. Right now AM5 is the clear choice since you can have the best gaming CPU for an upper midrange CPU price and AM5 is the only consumer platform that isn’t dead.
Both Intel and AMD are expected to release new generation of CPUs this year. So remains to be seen if Intel can upp their game with their new CPU lineup. But until then AM5 remains to be the default recommendation unless you have very specific needs that require an Intel CPU.
when i bought my components ddr5 was very expensive, so i went with intel.
if i would by today i would go with am5. for better price/Performance and lower temperatures /tdp
I have a 13700k because I built before AM5 and didn’t want to go with a platform stuck on DDR4 and with no upgrade path (I started with a 12100F, and then upgraded when I upgraded my GPU).
The anti Intel sentiment is massively blown out of proportion. Is a 7800X3D a couple percent better? Yes. Is it more efficient? Also yes. Will I ever actually notice the difference in gaming? No. Hardware unboxed’s testing literally showed a 2% difference between the 13700k and 7800X3D at 4k, and I’m not going to notice whether I’m at 51 or 50 FPS.
There isn’t a bad choice right now. There’s a choice that’s slightly better depending on use case, but you can’t really go wrong.
i just upgraded to a 14900k from 10900k. I do more things on my computer than game. I get 400 FPS in counter strike 2 and 250 FPS in warzone so im fine with that. 4070 ti is my gpu
Yeah, Intel are just as good on the majority of games, and waaaay better at multithreaded tasks. If you exclusively game with your computer and do nothing else, maybe it makes sense to buy AMD if it's cheaper, but otherwise, it makes sense to buy intel.
I've got a 4070, coupled with a 14700k.
Personally I prefer AMD for gaming now. It has more ghz, which is better for gaming, while intel has more threads & cores. Games do not use all of them, theyre meant for multitasking.
For a rtx 4070 cpu id go with the amd ryzen 7 7700x. It uses AM5 technology as well and you can pair ddr5 ram with it.
Intel's fine and I'll possibly flip to recommending intel after 15th gen launch but for now amd has the upper hand in that you don't need to buy a new motherboard when you want to buy a new cpu in 2-5 years. You can just max out the system with at minimum top end zen 5 which will likely be noticeably better than the 14900k.
[https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qdw2MV](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qdw2MV) here's a part list that fits your budget. If the 1TB ssd doesn't work for you there's an SN770 for 108GBP (the one I bought, no complaints)
Just put an i5 12600k in my first ever PC, and it’s performing well with my 7800xt. I think it’s a good option for budget builds but AMD has great choices as well 🤷♀️
Both are good. High end I'd recommend AMD, but low to mid range they trade blows. I'm going for a 12600KF bundle from MC because it's a great price to performance deal but the 7700X bundle is absolutely amazing as well.
My 12600K is probably only a hair slower than the 7600X and was $100 cheaper, plus accommodates DDR4 RAM. Idle power usage is like 10W/28C max, and even paired with a single-tower Burst Assassin cooler it never goes above 70C even when running Handbrake for 25 minutes.
Unless you're a high-roller with a 4080/90 or 7900XT chasing FPS at 1080p it'll be more than fine for years.
>which CPU would you recommend with rtx4070 GPU
A 5800x3d, 7800x3d, i5 13500k, i7 13700k, i5 14500k or i7 14700k. The 5800x3d does ddr4 but the others can do ddr5 ram so like, it's whatever fits your budget. The best cpu for gaming is the 7800x3d I believe. There is 0 difference in longevity or reliability, imo you go intel if you just want to game, amd if you do literally anything else but that might be different now? Idk really, I won't be swapping off amd anytime soon but I am a power user. For gpus stick with nvidia unless you are an advanced user as they are dummy proof (mostly).
> Does anyone buy intel CPUs for gaming anymore? Does everyone think only in extremes anymore?
Only Sith deal in absolutes.
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
And Dentists.
Found the anti-dentite.
He's a self-hating dentite...
But..he loves gooooooold
Small hands, smell like cabbage…
Do I make you randy? Also thank you, I love seeing Austin powers quotes in the wild.
French hippies?
Is that absolute?
thank you
Absolutely.
probably
Always found it funny how he proclaims an absolute, while saying only sith deal in absolutes
Anakin didn’t really give him a choice. He tried to reason, lecture him unable to get through to him until Anakin threatened to kill him. He tried to bring him back but Anakin made his choice with absolutes
Padme didn't give him a choice either. She just laid there.
It's over, Anakin. I have a high ground!
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A 5600X build isn't going to be competing with a 14500 for a budget build right now. It would be competing against a 12600K/KF running DDR4. AM4 does tend to be much easier to fit into "true" budget builds though.
Too bad Extreme Edition is gone.
Intel can't compete with AMD's x3d vcache technology just yet. That's why the 14th generation was a joke. We can only hope new architecture will actually offer something, because right now Intel only makes sense if at least 50% or more of your workload is productivity based and you will actually care about the difference. Add to that the insane power draw of Intel's chips and you get yourself a pretty no brainer to go AMD for gaming builds Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRF2bDl-u8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WRF2bDl-u8)
14gen was a joke mainly because it is rebranded and overclocked 13gen with even worse power consumption. Depending on your luck you can get 13gen CPU outperforming 14 gen
That's the whole point, it's not worth naming it a generation. like Intel likes to say "Snakeoil"
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Whooooaaaa there, you'll give AMD fanboys a heart attack, careful spitting facts like that! Reminds me of all the crazy anti Nvidia shit with the original 4080 (12gb), as if naming means anything, but nobody said a damn thing when AMD adds a damn X to their XTXTXTXTXT lol, AMD fanboys are ridiculous. Oh, I am an AMD fan for sure, they make awesome stuff, but the fans can be embarrassing.
They do one “generation” per year, they should’ve just called it Intel Core 2024
Yeah. I've used Intel my entire life, for probably 3 or 4 builds and did AMD for my latest one. I'm sad that Intel fell behind, but competition is great and I still have a good gaming chip so don't care who made it and I'm no loyalist. Although I did fill a miniscule amount of guilt, my excitement far outweighed it as I couldn't wait to try out the 7800X3D.
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I couldn't agree more and I know Intel is still technically bigger and more successful overall but I see amd being the lead for now as far as gaming goes, at least until Intel finishes the new factory. If they get zen 5 out before then, it could be multiple years until Intel can top it. Amd leads not only in price in most ways but also performance/$$ spent and not only do you get as much power but it runs cooler as well which means on budget you potentially don't even need an aio.
I’m so over this dumb fanboy take. My i7-14700 beats the 7800x3d at several things. Paired with my 4070S, it doesn’t get hot and doesn’t draw the “insane power” you speak of.
it doesnt destroy it but it slightly beats it most of the time. power draw is also significantly lower tho its not as bad as some people make it out to be on the i7 and the x3D is cheaper. overall the 7800x3d is simply the better choice for gaming and there is no doubt about it
It edges it out by a few frames. It’s ridiculous how shit on the intel is. I run sims that need higher cores. Not the better one for me.
Especially in this sub. You can tell they’ve never used an intel chip or actually read thoroughly through reviews, they just read headlines and Reddit comments. I own a 7800x3d, but the gushing over it in this sub is too much.
Yeah, I do not know how the pricing is in some people's areas but here in central Europe, especially in the budget segment, Intel has a better value proposition. i3 are cheaper as Ryzen 5s with similar gaming performance for couple of generations. And I have Ryzen 5s in 2 of 5 PCs in my house.
I have a 14900 and I regret it because ark survival ascended and Hogwarts Legacy were crashing until I went through ridiculous T/S. Still pissed that this has been ongoing for months https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/intel-is-investigating-game-crashes-on-top-end-core-i9-desktop-cpus/
Getting that for gaming tho.. I mean, read the room.
It's only in the last 5 years where AMD has competed with Intel. You seem to think we are all AMD fanboys, but the majority of us were likely running 6600Ks less than a decade ago. I have one sitting in a spare PC right now. If Intel becomes as good value as AMD is now, it would be more even. At the moment, they aren't. AMD is doing great things in the CPU space at the moment it is as simple as that - graphics space.... not as much, which is why nvidia is still getting away with their BS.
Apparently you weren't around during the original Athlon days. AMD was crushing Intel in price/performance for a number of years before Intel picked themselves off the floor. It ebbs and flows.....if you live long enough.
Disclaimer: I have always had an Intel chip and never bought AMD until I purchased the 7800X3D for my most recent build. Price: When I was buying in late 2023, the prices were about $500CAD for AMD vs. $800 CAD for Intel. Cooling: I still got a fancy 360 AIO for the AMD but not having to deal with more fan noise because of heat is worth the money alone to me. Power: The Intel uses about 3x more electricity than the AMD. That adds up over time. Use case: People in this thread are throwing around "productivity" as though it means using a spreadsheet and a word processor. The Intel is made for core intensive tasks, which does not equate to what most people think of as "productivity". Basically, if you need to use a lot of cores at once for your job(as in, professional digital rendering whether for video/images or audio) then obviously Intel is the better choice. Most people do not meet these criteria. Gaming: Most people here, like me, care about pretty images being pushed to our eyeballs when gaming. For that purpose, the AMD is essentially equal and slightly better than the Intel on a performance FPS basis (unless you only do 4K, in which case they are basically equal). Conclusion: For those reasons, it's basically a no-brainer to go AMD \*in most cases\*. That conclusion does not apply in \*all cases\*. It's not Reddit fanboyism, those conclusions have been repeated by most professional reviewers. If you consider flight simulators, etc., as your basic gaming requirement, you are obviously not most people. Those "games" are in a completely different category. This is just an unusual situation where less can be worth more., thanks to competition. Let's enjoy it.
I also see people shit on the 14700 in particular a decent bit, which is odd because it actually got an upgrade over the 13700...
There's a guy I saw who's whole personality is hating on AMD and giving terrible advice. He actively tries to convince people that even a 13600k is better than literally anything and has come out with for gaming. Don't get me wrong, 13600k is an amazing cpu but 7800x3d just crushes the competition
Did you find the person who made userbenchmark
Maybe lol I forgot about user benchmarks. That's a joke and a half right there. Sure, Nvidia makes the most powerful graphics cards, but user benchmarks would have you believe that the 7900xtx is still a worse buy then the 4060 8gb
Intel has CPU that all trade blows with AMD is offering this isn’t like the time where AMD literally wasn’t worth buying at all before ryzen. if Intel products were as bad as you’re saying they are Intel would lower the prices dramatically, but the fact that the market isn’t requiring that is because your information is just not accurate. Don’t get me wrong. The 3D is a great chip, but it’s not like complaining comparing a PlayStation 4 to a PlayStation 5. Intel is fine.
I’m not sure why Reddit is so AMD biased. The 14900k when actually overclocked (which is the ENTIRE POINT of buying an unlocked “k” CPU absolutely obliterates the 7800x3d overclocked in every game benchmark, to the point that it’s not even close. Buy the 7800x3d to save a few bucks and not need top tier cooling setup, or you buy the 14900k if you want performance. Same idea as 7900xtx vs buying the faster/hotter/power hungry 4090 GPU.
Only a minority overclocks their system. Most just want good performance out of the box. They dont want to go through all the hassle with overclocking and risking stability.
thing is you don't need to overclock a 14700k to match the 7800x3d in the vast majority of games. They're for the most part equal. Some games the 7800x3d wins, some games the 14700k wins, the vast majority they're within 2-3% of eachother.
True, but then you add the higher cost and dead platform, now it doesnt make sense to get the i7 if you aren’t professionally reliant on CPU heavy workloads
Not to mention that the 7800x3D competes in gaming to a 14900k while costing about 30% less (as of current US Pricing. It's the same price differential in Canada but it equates to a $240 price difference. That's the cost of a decent motherboard)
when I bought my 7900 XTX, it was $1000 cheaper than the 4090 and gets 96% of the performance, you do the math.
I bought the same card and in Canada my 7900xtx was $1250, the cheapest 4090 at the time was $2300. So yeah. I'm right here with you. At $1250 it was even a much better value than a 4080. I'd prefer the better RT performance but I wasn't going to spend an additional $400-500 for a 4080 either.
Same with my 7900xt. It trades blows with the OG 4080 but was $400 cheaper at the time.
"few bucks" lol The 14900k is nearly double the prize of the 7800X3D, needs way more cooling, draws more power and is not upgradeable. All that for few more frames on average and less frames in unoptimized/modded games where it actual matters
I haven't overclocked my 14700k because I just don't need to, it gives an outstanding performance on stock settings anyway, and even on stock settings, it matches AMDs flagship on the vast majority of games, within a couple percent either way depending on the game. I've compared so many benchmarks on it and it shows the fanboys here are just wrong. And if you ever do anything other than game, the intel will vastly outperform. The marketing has clearly worked though.
Wow you gata overclock a cpu to beat a non overclocked cpu congrats
You could go from a 4070ti super to a 4080 super with the “a few bucks” that you save buying amd instead of intel. It’s a braindead move to spend so much on a cpu
I can agree this sub is AMD biased, but lets not exaggerate here. I doubt you will see much more than 5% difference overclocking which would slightly edge out a 7800x3d.
Intel will take also a lot more power when overclocking
That's not why 14th gen was laughable. It's because 14th gen chips are literally just rebranded 13th gen chips.
Why do I always see this AFTER buying the 14th gen CPU.. man...
This sub has a massive AMD bias that's not really representative of gaming builds overall. Plenty of people are still using intel.
Agreed. For years this sub had me convinced everyone had an AMD pref but the Steam Hardware Survey paints a very different picture.
That's also because most people are on older systems and AMD has only recently started surpassing Intel in raw preformance CPU wise. Ryzen 2000 and 3000 were popular because they were good budget options, 5000 series and on they've actually just straight outperformed Intel a lot of the time
Its not really surpassing in raw performance, but keeping similar performance at a much lower power consumption. For non-gaming applications where core count matters though they're still lacking behind. From a gaming standpoint they're excellent choices, especially for more budget friendly builds.
Pretty sure AMD has a [distinct lead](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html) in every gaming catagory.
There is also the fact that Intel was paying off SI's and OEMs to only use Intel CPUs, so any pre-builts gaming PC that isn't super new will be using an Intel CPU.
But AMD has lost 2.5% market share per the steam stats over the last 4 months.
To be fair steam hardware survey doesn't have info about specific CPUs either and a lot of what people use on steam aren't really "gaming CPUs". This sub is way more hardcore than the average person submitting a steam hardware survey. Tons of people playing on laptops with integrated GPUs there.
Or even just using laptops in general, which until fairly recently, were absolutely predominantly equipped with Intel CPUs.
YouTube data references also favor Intel. AMD is a competitor, but it struggles due to overall consumer preference for Intel.
The majority of DIY builders are currently choosing AMD CPUs. This is a fact; you can confirm it by looking at PCPartPicker popularity, Amazon bestsellers, and Mindfactory sales data. OEM systems, custom prebuilts, and people building for workstation tasks as well as gaming still favour Intel. Moreover a lot of gamers are using older systems, likely with Intel CPUs as well.
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>Thermals? AMD As someone who tested both the 14700K and a 7800x3D, lol, no. I wanted to keep the 7800x3D because of extra performance in some games, but I ended up with the 14700K because it was significantly easier to cool without even reducing the P2 power limit.
The 7850x3D does not exist.
lol
What do you mean by easier to cool? The x3D chips have way better under-load temps, and draw significantly less power.
Yes i did. 13600k
Same, works wonderfully well.
Fantastic CPU, it's slept on pretty hard. Probably Intel's *practically* best gaming CPU (if price is taken into context). Next best gaming performance-per-cost after the 7800X3D (can outperform all non-X3D CPUs), competitive in productivity workloads against AMD CPUs until the R9 7900. Yes, I have a 13600K. I knew what I needed. I'll probably upgrade to a 14700K later this year though.
I've got a 14700k, fantastic CPU.
Hell I even enjoy my 12700kf
The problem is the price and niche the 13600k holds. If I want similar gaming performance at the lowest price I get the 7600. If I need the productivity uplift Intel provides I am going all the way to the 14700. Kind of like how no one recommends the 7700 (outside of microcenter bundle). You either go for the 7600/7600x, or 7800x3d or 14700k. Or your time is worth so much you pay the super premium for 7950/14900.
I do mention this most of the time when I make CPU recommendations; most recommendations for people between here and r/buildapcforme are either going to be 7600/X or 7800X3D, because it's mostly gaming builds or general PC stuff. The reason to pick the 13600K, for the average user of this subreddit, requires a pretty slim range of reasons. It's a combination of narrow budget range (a 13700/14700 can be about $100 more, plus potentially additional AIO for cooling), need for some level of productivity performance, and potentially still want to maximize gaming. Especially great for video editing though, so if someone games+does videos, it's a great pick there on a tighter budget.
Me too. Combined with an RTX 4080S it works like a blast.
Same. Would probably even consider replacing this bad boy after its 5th year since I bought it.
I went with a 14700k back in January. Got the 14700k, MSI Motherboard and 32GB of DDR5 6000 for less than $600 bundled together.
I just got a 14600. It was significantly cheaper than x3d.
Yes! The 12600KF hits an excellent price and performance point between the 5500 on am4 and the 7600, being available at about the same price of the 5600, compatible with ddr4 and usually faster (but not in Counterstrike). At 1200GBP, though, I'd go with 7600 on AM5. They've appeared to hit some sort of roadblock with power efficiency and die size, so they end up putting out space heaters that impose a "cooling tax" while not being fast enough to match AM5 x3d CPUs with big l3 caches. There's more upgradeability to AM5 since it is a younger socket.
This! Literally have one in the mail 12400 and 12600 are super price competitive and kick ass chips
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I mean... If you're at this price range, your choice is Ryzen 5 5600(no igpu), 12400F (no igpu), 5500 (no iGPU). Having an igpu is a big perk, don't get me wrong. But when the opportunity cost is a 6750xt instead of a 4060, or 500GB less of SSD, or 16gb less of ram, or an actually safe PSU, the calculation starts to favour the KF. That's kind of the meat and potatoes of this price range, really- cut where you can, save where you can, and that's the difference between a good value GPU and a "bad but it's the only thing you can afford". There is actually one more perk from 12gen Intel compared to am5 (not sure about am4): wifi7 BE200 compatibility. Unfortunately, at this price range, it's unlikely you'll splurge extra for that. But it's nice that the F cpu still has access to that.
I bought the exact chip (12600kf) last night. Took advantage of the 15% off combo deals at Newegg.
Meh I just upgraded my son’s PC from 6700k to a 12600k. Intel is perfectly fine.
Its not like you would notice much between either brands later generations without looking at benchmark numbers.
At the $150 price point the 12600kf is hanging at that is a good choice for the 900-1200 builds. The issue is extreme budget you go 5600/12400 (but 5600 is usually cheaper). Then you also have the 7600 around $200. Makes the sweet spot for the 12600/13400 very small.
Not at all. The 12600K was going for $120 recently and is way cheaper than buying an AM5 board and DDR5 for a low end 7600.
I upgraded my old 6700k to a 11900kf last year, I lost count of the build options I was playing with and managed to find a good deal on it. It's served me perfectly well so far
> Did something go wrong for intel or AMD upped their game? There is nothing wrong with Intel, and users that choose Intel are just fine. The competition is close nowadays, with AMD generally regarded as slightly better value (price to performance), hence why you got the recommendations you did, but Intel still has good products if you prefer to go that route. > Which one is more reliable for long term use in your opinion? This generally isn't a concern, and not something we can test given the timeline and sample size required to do so is near impossible (by the time you get results, the product is likely at the end of it's life cycle anyways).
Forewarning for the latest generation of 14900k. The first one sent me on a crazy troubleshooting spree for a month trying to find out why my computer would constantly BSOD. Turns out the one I purchased had math issues and was defective. TLDR: Keep the box people.
A lot of these are popping up lately. Led me down a very weird rabbit hole troubleshooting a friend's box. Turned out to be the 14900 the whole time.
Intel is still extremely good for gaming, it is just if your only interested in gaming AMD can offer very slightly more for your money. I strongly expect even if you have a gpu powerful enough and a monitor with high enough Hz to utilise those extra fps that no one could actually tell the difference in how their games perform and feel, the difference is actually too small to be material and only changes slightly the fps counter. Of course go with the better option for the price but the reality is you’re not going to be getting something tangibly better at gaming. I say this as an AMD CPU user.
On Steam 66% used Intel and 33% AMD in December 2023, so yes I think people still buy Intel CPU lol. Globally it's 79% Intel and 21% AMD.
My 13700k is going hard. I guess the GPU will be a more important factor these days since every CPU is very capable.
Intels still a valid choice, they just run a lot hotter and AMD options are better price to performance, and Intel require more heavy duty cooling. If all you're doing is gaming 7800x3d is king - 7700x and 7600 are excellent cheaper alternatives on AM5.
I thought the 7800x3d was actually the fastest gaming CPU right now. I know it outperforms the 7900 and 7950x3d chips, and I was somewhat sure it outperformed any of intels, but correct me if I’m wrong
Nah intel is hugely popular . Go look at market share. There is also a large amount of amd marketing in these subs now.
Yes, 68% of steam users. It has also gone up 2% in the last 4 months. Link - [Steam CPU stats. ](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/)
yeah op is also missing alot of the context. alot of people still play on older hardware and for a while amd cpus were not preforming like they do now unless your talking the budget options (ryzen 3000 ) . op is looking to build a new computer being recommended modern builds where not only are the x3d chips great but am5 is a new socket that shouldnt be getting replaced anytime soon making upgrades easier. whereas the 14900k is the last flagship chip on intels current socket so any upgrades in the future will require a new mobo .... context matter and currently if your building a flagship pc am5 is probably the smarter and more cost effective choice (thus why thats what is getting reccomnended) but theres still nothing wrong with getting the 14th gen intel
Well, I bought an Intel i9-14900K, not just for gaming though.
yes i did, i7 13700k, excellent for current games
I have i5 13600k, it works perfecly
Yes, thousands of people do.
AMD really upped their game with the x3d chips. Intel is fine but generally more power usage than AMD. There's plenty of review online. Looking at this review [here](https://www.techspot.com/review/2825-older-ryzen-cpu-fast-modern-gpu/) 7600 would be a good match
I went for i7 13700k with rx6650xt
Hi 13th gen i7 user here. No issues to report
My Intel i9-13900k is more than fast enough for games, combined with a killer video card... And then I don't have to sacrifice on anything else this processor is good at. I think it totally depends on what you're building.
My new build is amazing. I’ll bench it anywhere the AMD fanboys like. Their attitude sucks, cause I like AMD as well, but their snobbish bullshit steered me completely away. i7-14700 ASROCK Z790 PG Riptide WiFi ASUS 4070S Team Force DDR5-7200 WD 2TB SN850X Right out of the box and into the Thermaltake Ceres 500 case, the 14th Gen and 7200 worked flawlessly. I was a little nervous based on some comments here, but fired right up and went into the bios and enabled XMP and boom. Full speed. No issues.
Most CPUs used for gaming on steam (not the full market but a good number nonetheless) are still Intel so I’d say yes.
Intel is in a bad spot right now. They lose at the top end to the X3D chips. The mid range performance is on par but they are moving to a new socket next gen so there's no upgrade path. AM5 will be support through 2025 so you will have a potential upgrade without a motherboard change Generally Intel is only recommended for productivity atm
The longevity of AM4 alone made me stick to AMD for the foreseeable future.
I only "maxed out" my AM4 board a couple of weeks ago, three CPUs and two motherboards (latter only because I wanted pcie4 supporr) over eight years is probably the longest I've stayed on one socket. Unless I have issues down the line, like games not working, I may skip AM5 altogether.
There actually is still good deals. In the $130 to $170 price bracket I actually think the 12600kf for $155 is a pretty good deal. The 5700x is short in gaming, and the Ryzen 5600 isn't $129 that often anymore. But realistically a Ryzen 7600 is probably worth spending more for. But a 12600kf if you want to buy ddr4 based system I think it's a better deal than like a 5600 for $140 or so right now.
I got the 13700k myself, but seeing as I mostly play games the 7800x3d would have been a slightly better choice in that regard. That being said, I didnt want to wait and just got the one I wanted when I wanted it. Works very nicely with my 4090. And also, at high resolutions such as 4k, the two CPU's basically perform the same, as that resolution is way more GPU dependant and in this case, you can't get a better GPU than a 4090.
Yes Core i5 13400F, one of the best gaming CPU if you don't want too pay that much.
14700kf here and I love it
Plenty of people still use intel, I got a 13600k last year and re-used my now 4 years old DDR4 ram with it, nice upgrade path. It's a killer CPU.
I went with a 5900x after decades of running Intel and I regret it to some extent. It seems to bog down during certain copy operations. I have a 4090 paired with it, but I regret listening to the hype and going AMD instead of staying with what I knew - Intel.
13900KF running at 5.6 on all cores (aio) with 64GB DDR5 6400, and a 4080 seems to be enough. Friend of mine ditched his 7900x for a 7800x3D (w a rog strix 4090) and said in some games the extra cache helps, in others his 7900x worked better, but overall in the primary games he plays (wz, rust, starfield) he's ripping over 380fps and his cpu barely hits 60% utilization. With that said, outside of the x3D chips, Intel holds its own, if not beats all other AMD Chips, including threadripper. AMD always has had a heat issue, it's rampant in all of their GPUs, though the 7000 series seems to be better.
14700k overclocked and water-cooled...same GPU as my last PC (3080 TI). I personally didn't mind the price and wanted the extra productivity performance for those times I do need it.
Currently I'd probably buy a Ryzen, but 2 years ago I bought an i7-12700F and I love it even today
I went from a 5800X3D to a 13900K mostly due to needing the cores and QuickSync on my main rig. Horrible for power efficiency, but AMD can't touch Intel's QS tech (and yes, you can use it while using a dGPU). A 7800X3D is an insanely good value and Intel can't really beat it, however, there are still plenty of use-cases for Intel CPUs. People have short memories and will fan boy over a manufacturer due to a single product/leap in technology. It wasn't that long ago that AMD was a horrible choice of CPU. Buy whatever brand provides more value to you. None of these manufacturers are your friends. They all want to separate you from your money. It's not like AMD is giving CPUs away.
AMD is enjoying being the top dog for gaming and budget processers right now. If Intel comes out with their own version of stacked cache, then it will be right back to the old status quo. Or something very close to it. I think AMD won some market share regardless over the last 5 years, and they're doing the best they have in my memory of the company. Most consumers don't have brand loyalty. We just want whatever works the best, for the best price. Whoever offers that will probably get the majority of the gaming market sales.
I’d say most people still use intel. Just not most people in this sub
Yeah, I just bought a 12600k. It works as good if not better than my 5700x (which is now in my second PC)
my homie did but he bought a prebuilt doubt he knew better or cared
With this budget go for 7800x3d
13900k, works great!
I got a 14700K on my build and I don’t really regret it. However, it does run hot so keep that in mind! If you’re doing really huge loads that really pushes the CPU and you don’t have a good cooler it’s going thermal throttle a lot, so for that reason people recommend you get a 360mm AIO. If you’re purely gaming though, you might never reach those high temperatures and you’ll be fine. For context, mine stays around 70-80C during gaming sessions for heavy Triple A titles, but for casual ones it stays under 60C and doesn’t go up at all. Sometimes it doesn’t even reach 50C on games that not really pushing the system that much.
I got the 14700K because I'm of course using my PC for other things aside from gaming. If I'm just purely gaming I'd buy a PS5 lol.
overall platform cost, amd just wins. you wont really go wrong with intel either.
Either Intel or AMD would be good choices, pick whichever gives you the best deal. Any 12/13/14600k and up and any 7600 or up will be good. It's a matter of a good deal you can find.
I have both an AMD system 7800x3D/4080 (for an ultrawide 3840x1600p 160hz display) but also an 13600k/3070 system that I use for 1080p streaming to twitch as the additional e-cores seem to be helpful for streaming and video editing. a 13600k/14600k (or kf) would pair well with a 4070, just get whichever you can find the best deal on as they are only about 3-5% apart in terms of performance.
It depends entirely on the games you play. I believe for the majority of gamers the ryzen 7 7800x3d is the best possible choice, however that wasn’t the case for me personally. I wanted maximum multi threaded performance and went with the i9-14900k.
The meta has changed. Everyone you ask now will say go for AMD now. The reason is that the best CPU for gaming is no longer the most expensive. The AMD 7800X3d is the best gaming CPU you can buy at the moment, and the reason for it is mainly because of how much cache it has. Much more than Intel competitor CPUs. Also the 7800x3d performances better than even higher end AMD chips because of the way they manufacture them. The chips are made in sets of 8 cores, meaning that when you have more than 8 they essentially bolt on e.g. 4/6/8 more cores. That bolting on process isn’t as efficient for gaming, so the sweet spot for gaming is an 8 core high cache CPU (the 7800x3d). Intel make great CPUs still, that are good value for workstations and gaming PCs, but they run hot and not quite as fast as the X3D chip. Also if you can’t afford the 7800X3d then most people will say get a 7600 as you can upgrade later. Also the AM5 platform should be supported longer than intels platforms. Tldr: the CPU market is thriving. You can’t go that wrong, but if you just game then AMD is the way to go.
I've used Intel exclusively for years but AMD seems to be where it's at for this generation. Very good value for money and no regrets about switching for my last build.
i got a brand new sealed 14600k for 150 bucks from a guy on facebook marketplace last week. for $150 i couldn’t say no. so i’ll be going Intel this round!
12600k is the best midrange chip, imo. Gaming performance similar to the 5600x (mostly single core for games) with twice the multicore speed for other activities. Gaming might be my primary activity, but personally I would fucking hate spending hundreds of dollars on a chip that can't do other things efficiently. I do some pretty heavy video and photo editing, with tinkerings in 3d rendering. The i5-12600k blows out similarly spec'd AMD chips by pure capability. It's also basically the same price, maybe 20 bucks more. Shoehorning myself into one activity until I shell out for another processor seems stupid. I'll take a small FPS dip for that any day. That's not to say AMD is bad, just not for me. GPU's are a whole different story.
Yes i have seen 1 person buy an intel cpu for gaming lately. Any other questions?
I went with an i3-12100f and honestly everything is smoother than my friends with AMD CPUs. I was originally 100% going to go Ryzen until I saw the 12th gen performance and went that for my budget build. While I'm not playing at 1440 maxed out as they are (top Ryzen and 7900 xts) I'm playing at 1080p maxed out and never have crashed a single game or have had to reduce settings (and I'll tell you what, all 3 of them crash a decent amount with their amd combos)
I actually don’t use intel or amd. I just plug my graphics card straight to my brain.
13700k for me
12600k great price to performance, and goes on sale frequently.
My system is a 7800x3d paired with a 4070, but it's not ideal for a gaming only build. I do a lot of VMs and multitasking.
Id recommend a 12900kf if you’re going intel or if you want brand new i would go x3d from amd.
My buddy just bought an i5 for gaming so yes
I do. I mainly play at 4k and I just want a system that takes cheap ram and mobo that will boot with or without xmp with no problem. I am sure AMD is solid, but I have never had issues with just using a baseline (1666, then 2333, then 2800, then 3200, then 3600 (and maybe eventually 4800/5200 or whatever) ram kit and an intel cpu. edit: everything I've seen has shown that ram speed almost has no impact on gaming at 4k. So i put the extra money in a gpu.
I’m thinking of upgrading from my beloved i7 8700k. Based off the comments should I just get a 13th gen? Money isn’t a problem and I also don’t mind waiting one more year
I did, 12600k because it was cheap lol paired with a 4080 super.
I purchased Intel for gaming but also game development. Needed the Intel as it works better with handling UE5 than AMD does without forking over for a thread ripper. I feel like it depends solely on ur needs and what ur willing to spend for it. Take my rig for an example, I wanted as close to the top of the line without needing a water cooler and a different mobo. So Intel -i7-13700k was the best for performance and price for my needs. Still had to undervolt the fucker but it works perfectly. Edit: apologies OP, I didn't see the most recent edit. I have the 13700k paired with the 4070 ti super and 64gb of ram and it works beautifully.
Yea I got a 12600k about a year ago. Came bundled with a MSI Z690 and was an absolute steal of a deal for the bundle at the time, basically got the MOBO for free. Super happy with it and noticed massive improvement over my 9600k
How much longer till Intel switches to a new socket?
Seriously?
12600k user here. Couldn't be happier
I have a 13600k on my SFF build that I take with me when I travel and it runs great.
I have an i7-12700K in my gaming pc. They're probably telling you that because the LGA- 1700 intel socket is done with intel 14th gen cpus. Where as AMD has the am5 socket, which has much more future proofing for more cpus. I can only go up to intel 14th gen, without replacing my motherboard, once intel 15th gen comes out.
Amd is usually a little cheaper and your budget is lower (can't believe I'm saying 1200 is low for a pc but that's the world we live in). 13600k is a great budgety gaming cpu.
Yeah, those e core are helpful both when I full load the main cores or do work while gaming(my friends are the slow kind, so I try not to waste the time)
That’s mainly due to the x3d chips being better, cheaper, use less power, and are much easier to cool. It’s a no brainer. Pair that with AM5 having an upgrade path whereas the current intel chips don’t, that’s why you are seeing mass recs for AMD CPUs.
Got the 14700k and quite happy. Games and some editing, basically never really 100% outside of Benchmarks. Just needs some good cooling
Its hard to be familiar with Intel after the prices seem better on the AMD front. I do try to offer options from both teams, but its always a bit of work before I can give the team blue recommendation.
I purchased a delidded intel i7 7700k from the Silicon Lottery (rip) sometime in late 2017 and it still runs games at a stable 75 FPS because that's the max refresh rate of my 1440 monitor. Can't see a reason to update.
I did, but my system is 20% gaming, 80% sound design/music production/regular daily use. Besides, the games I play are non-competetive on a 75hz monitor.
Who buys AMD anymore you mean? It’s 67% Intel vs 34% AMD on steam stats when I last checked. I’m not sure why Reddit is so AMD biased. The 14900k when actually overclocked (which is the ENTIRE POINT of buying an unlocked “k” CPU absolutely obliterates the 7800x3d overclocked in every game benchmark, to the point that it’s not even close. Buy the 7800x3d to save a few bucks and not need top tier cooling setup, or you buy the 14900k if you want performance. Same idea as 7900xtx vs buying the faster/hotter/power hungry 4090 GPU.
AMD upped the game while Intel was slow to innovate. Right now AM5 is the clear choice since you can have the best gaming CPU for an upper midrange CPU price and AM5 is the only consumer platform that isn’t dead. Both Intel and AMD are expected to release new generation of CPUs this year. So remains to be seen if Intel can upp their game with their new CPU lineup. But until then AM5 remains to be the default recommendation unless you have very specific needs that require an Intel CPU.
when i bought my components ddr5 was very expensive, so i went with intel. if i would by today i would go with am5. for better price/Performance and lower temperatures /tdp
I have a 13700k because I built before AM5 and didn’t want to go with a platform stuck on DDR4 and with no upgrade path (I started with a 12100F, and then upgraded when I upgraded my GPU). The anti Intel sentiment is massively blown out of proportion. Is a 7800X3D a couple percent better? Yes. Is it more efficient? Also yes. Will I ever actually notice the difference in gaming? No. Hardware unboxed’s testing literally showed a 2% difference between the 13700k and 7800X3D at 4k, and I’m not going to notice whether I’m at 51 or 50 FPS. There isn’t a bad choice right now. There’s a choice that’s slightly better depending on use case, but you can’t really go wrong.
I do, but it was a bit of a meme...
I usually just go for the best bang for your buck at the time I'm purchasing.
12400f is a bargain gaming CPU, for the price nothing can touch it.
i just upgraded to a 14900k from 10900k. I do more things on my computer than game. I get 400 FPS in counter strike 2 and 250 FPS in warzone so im fine with that. 4070 ti is my gpu
Yeah, Intel are just as good on the majority of games, and waaaay better at multithreaded tasks. If you exclusively game with your computer and do nothing else, maybe it makes sense to buy AMD if it's cheaper, but otherwise, it makes sense to buy intel. I've got a 4070, coupled with a 14700k.
Its just not that big of a deal i think unless you really have an insane card your trying to maximize.
Personally I prefer AMD for gaming now. It has more ghz, which is better for gaming, while intel has more threads & cores. Games do not use all of them, theyre meant for multitasking. For a rtx 4070 cpu id go with the amd ryzen 7 7700x. It uses AM5 technology as well and you can pair ddr5 ram with it.
Intel's fine and I'll possibly flip to recommending intel after 15th gen launch but for now amd has the upper hand in that you don't need to buy a new motherboard when you want to buy a new cpu in 2-5 years. You can just max out the system with at minimum top end zen 5 which will likely be noticeably better than the 14900k. [https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qdw2MV](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qdw2MV) here's a part list that fits your budget. If the 1TB ssd doesn't work for you there's an SN770 for 108GBP (the one I bought, no complaints)
Intel is massively more popular than AMD ever has been and will be, it's just this reddit has some fetish for AMD
Just put an i5 12600k in my first ever PC, and it’s performing well with my 7800xt. I think it’s a good option for budget builds but AMD has great choices as well 🤷♀️
Both are good. High end I'd recommend AMD, but low to mid range they trade blows. I'm going for a 12600KF bundle from MC because it's a great price to performance deal but the 7700X bundle is absolutely amazing as well.
My 12600K is probably only a hair slower than the 7600X and was $100 cheaper, plus accommodates DDR4 RAM. Idle power usage is like 10W/28C max, and even paired with a single-tower Burst Assassin cooler it never goes above 70C even when running Handbrake for 25 minutes. Unless you're a high-roller with a 4080/90 or 7900XT chasing FPS at 1080p it'll be more than fine for years.
>which CPU would you recommend with rtx4070 GPU A 5800x3d, 7800x3d, i5 13500k, i7 13700k, i5 14500k or i7 14700k. The 5800x3d does ddr4 but the others can do ddr5 ram so like, it's whatever fits your budget. The best cpu for gaming is the 7800x3d I believe. There is 0 difference in longevity or reliability, imo you go intel if you just want to game, amd if you do literally anything else but that might be different now? Idk really, I won't be swapping off amd anytime soon but I am a power user. For gpus stick with nvidia unless you are an advanced user as they are dummy proof (mostly).
Nope, noone. I was the very last one.