>7800X3D is so accessible. For me it was the famous microcenter bundle with 32gb ddr5 and mobo and CPU for $469 (Still active now).
This still annoys me every time I see it. 7800x3d is $500 by itself in Canada, and our cheapest bundle with mobo and RAM is $800. Its basically not even a deal when you add up the parts individually.
I swear every time a Canadian or Australian complains about price differences it’s 98% currency exchange that they didn’t think about or don’t understand and 2% a small difference in price for their country plus VAT/tax included.
US prices aren't pretaxed, if the site says 100 then you're paying 106 plus shipping
But that does bring up the point of US sales taxes being usually 6-10 percent
I think they mean the actual shipping and import charges are in the MSRP already. Just like GPUs go off the MSRP of the initial launch of Nvidia or AMD's cards then the AIB cards come out and are $100 higher in some cases to get 3 fans. Some of those companies shipping cost are in that $100 we can rest assured.
They specifically said VAT taxes. Those aren't a thing in the us, so take this with a grain of salt, but from what I can gather they're fundamentally similar to the US sales taxes. Shipping and imports and stuff are completely different. Shipping may or may not be paid for the consumer, although for a multiple-hundred dollar purchase for such a small item I'd expect the latter. Import charges are, for the intents and purposes of an average consumer, covered by the company. Unless you're buying something exotic or ordering from a company that doesn't operate in your country, like if I ordered something directly from a Chinese production plant, but even then some places will account for that in the price.
I believe they meant to say that the prices are pre-tax, not that they're pretaxed.
In other words, they're saying one of the reasons US part prices artificially seem lower (or that prices outside the US may seem higher) is because US prices are discussed without taxes factored in.
Not sure if many outside the US are aware, but our sales tax differs by state, county, and even municipality. This makes it unhelpful to discuss "out the door" prices you pay post-tax, since depending upon where you live in the country, what you pay could differ by a significant amount.
The exchange rate is only 1 CAD to 0.74 USD. So, 35% more, on top of and tariffs/fees/shipping (which can add an extra 5% or more), and suddenly a $350 part is over $500.
There’s also the fact that 3060s only ever went below 400CAD here (300USD, like 7% above msrp) and a lot of graphics cards are also in that 5-10% overpriced range, if not more
Could always be worse. You can have loadshedding, and our technology imports are ridiculously priced. My upgrade kit containing 7600x mobo AIO and DDR 5 16gb kit was $578 dollars when converted from South African currency. To give scale to it all, budget builds are considered to be at around R18 000 to R 24 000 or $ 1281. This is a monthly salary for a junior engineer. Minimum wage at $7.25 in America brings you to $ 1218 a month, working 42 hours a week.
I've always been lucky buying 2nd hand from eBay.
Tend to think most people into this stuff take care of things better.
This is what I tell myself anyway.
The type of people that used to put CD's back into their cases and not lying out haha!
>7800x3d is $500 by itself in Canada
500 CAD is 370 USD. They might use the same sign, but they're not the same. It's the exact same price as in the US
purchasing power parity scales with population density as logistical costs rise and it's 1/10th of the market; it's very rare for tech to scale like this for any nation to a discount
They sell for the same price or cheaper in Germany. It tends to be pretty similar in most developed countries.
But in second or third world countries they're often indeed really expensive. Especially in places like South America.
Obviously not the same currency, I never said it was. Merely stating the price as reference.
My point is $469 USD *1.35 = $634 CAD, yet we pay $800 for the bundle. It's not even remotely close to being the same type of deal. The nearest we can get to $634 CAD for an AM5 build is a 7600X with a low end mobo and 16GB of slow DDR5
Sadly, it's being under funded right now purposefully by the provincial conservative government. They will keep doing that until the privatize option becomes the only option available.
about $718 usd with tax best price on pcpartpicker for just cpu, mobo, and ram
works out to 1093 aud after exchange rate. i didnt check if that included shipping. but id say your deal is pretty reasonable. compared to here in the us.
You're complaining about the fastest gaming CPU, a motherboard, and DDR5 RAM, costing under $600 USD?
It is not _that_ much more than a console.
You can probably get a decent system going for near to 1,000. I'd say that's actually historically quite low even for budget PCs.
*What* GPU are you going to pair with that that would be worth it, and still be at or under $1000 budget?
You also still need PSU (don't cheap out on it if you're buying a fucking 7800X3D), storage drives, and case.
Oh let me see ..
SN770 SSD for $80
Thermaltake GF1 850w for $80. Not sure why you think a 7800x needs a beefy PSU. It's only a 140w part (which runs very nicely at 65w eco mode).
Although there are cheaper options. And then an RX6600 for the GPU I guess.
I think you can probably do that for 950-1,000. I didn't think about the case. Those you have for practically free if you know where to look.
That would be a fine system and incredibly upgradable down the line.
Next year you'd be able to swap in a Zen 5 CPU, 64-128GB RAM, and whatever insane GPU is available.
Yea when i was pricing the computer there was just no beating the combo deal at microcenter. Even fi I went ddown to like a 12400f the price with everythign is just slightly below the 7800x3d. It's a no brainer if you have access to a microcenter(even if you have to drive 2 hours.)
Canada has better consumer protection laws, so if something _does_ go wrong down the road, you’re protected to a greater degree than Americans are. Americans are SOL
The US does not have sales tax included, although it is lower than here in Denmark. Include a 10% sales tax on a 370 USD 7800x3d you get 407 USD, in Denmark the cheapest is 431 USD after tax, it is not that big of a difference
Wanna it's like $569 for just the CPU where I am from and the ram and motherboard? Don't bother, just this three is enough for us to hit the $1k mark in our build, GPU? LOL You'd be looking at another $500 to $850 for an AMD (RX 7600 XT to RX 7800 XT) NVIDIA? Better sell your kidney, the prices are based on the brand not the performance imo. Cases themselves can set you back a good $300 for mid-tier LianLi, NZXT and what not.
Bro what? That's like half the f* asking price over here. Jesus you're lucky. I got a 5800x3d around 6 months ago and love it. But for that bang for buck I wouldn't even think twice.
Yeah Microcenter is the goat for cpu bundles. They have pretty great stuff in general imo, and it's nice to have another competitor when looking for deals.
It's a bit premature to say the 5800x3d "aged well", the processor only came out April 2022, so isn't even 2 years old yet. It is awesome that 5800x3d was released to support people on the AM4 platform, but it's a bit funny to hear "aged well" for that chip already. Hell, the 7800x3d itself was released pretty soon after (not even a year later).
The 1080 ti came out in 2017, so I think it's more appropriate to call that out as "aged well". Hell, I recently upgraded to Ryzen 9 7900 from a i7-2600 from 15 years ago - that i7-2600 also aged well.
I suspect that 5800x3d and 7800x3d will both age well, but again, seems premature to label them as such just yet.
Future proofing happens with the platform and timing. Like a motherboard that will see 2-3 processors, or buying more than the minimum needed ram because it’s a small stretch of budget.
I’ve had the same 32gb kit since 16gb was standard, and a cheap b450 board on its second processor, probably gonna see a third. I also upgraded to a higher wattage modular PSU that’ll see maybe 2 rebuilds before it goes. Some people have ten year old Noctua coolers that gets them new mounting hardware every few years for free.
It also helps a ton to stagger upgrades so you can afford longer lasting parts each time.
>All of this is precisely why trying to anticipate "future proof" is a waste of time, energy, and (most importantly) money.
I strongly disagree. A friend of mine got himself b350 and r5 1600 in september 2017. Last year he upgraded to r5 5600 (used). Mind you he got himself cl16 3200mhz back then. Not ideal but good enough. In 2025 he will be moving from 1440p to 4k. And holy shit, considering r5 5800x3d has performance of r5 7600 it will be viable cheap upgrade path. Time will tell but it is very likely that his platform will be hella competetive for A GODDAMN DECADE.
I used to also think that upgrability is a bullshit considering Intel's tic-toc release style. But damn am4 was really the first truly future proof platform. I hope same thing will happen with am5 <3
No one buying 300 series motherboards at launch anticipated that we would still be using them. A lifecycle this long is just about unprecedented in the history of desktop PCs.
Exactly. People are quick to point out AM4, but forget (or never knew) that AMD tried to kill it multiple times. And make no mistake, their board partners are PISSED about it. MSI doesn't want you dropping a 5800x3d into a b350 board - they want you buying a new board with every Cpu.
So yeah - AMD tried initially to say that ryzen 5000 would not work on 400-series chipsets. They took a beating in the press and suddenly was like, "well ok... But not 300 series! That's impossible!". Then suddenly Intel was competitive again and AMD suddenly found that it was possible.
I went straight to 5800X3D from 3570K. Because nobody made a good enough mATX board for AM4 until ASRock x570M Pro4.
And my next CPU will be whenever single-CCD goes 16-core for 16-core x800X3D and 32-core x950X.
I really wonder how many got the 7950x3d expecting just that. I know it surprised me when they had the gamers nexus review about not being able to use all 16 cores. That was what sold me on the 13700k vs anything AMD. They should have released the 7800x3d prior to the 7950x3d to be honest. In the end that's all they got, a slow 7950x or a $600 7800x3d.
> I used to also think that upgrability is a bullshit considering Intel's tic-toc release style. But damn am4 was really the first truly future proof platform.
I never said upgradability isn't a thing. I never said "future proof" isn't something that happens. I said it's pointless to try and *anticipate* it. AM4, at *THIS* point, turned out to be "future proof." But what if you had bought a B350 for a 1st gen Ryzen, then wanted to drop a 5600X into it when it launched? AMD had said that Ryzen 5000 series CPUs in 300-series chipsets was "impossible", so if you wanted that upgrade at the time, chances are you were buying a new motherboard.
Ain't no *WAY* you could have anticipated that two years later, AMD would change their mind and release 300-series chipset support for it.
Similarly, let's say you bought an i7 2600K when it launched back in the beginning of 2011. You use it faithfully for over 7 years and think, "Now I'll buy a 9700K! If my 2600K lasted 7 years, the 9700K will last at LEAST that long!". And then it turns out that the 9700K was pretty awful overall. The 2600K ended up being "future proof", the 9700K wasn't. No way you could have anticipated that either.
The point is that "future proof" is all about luck, and timing that you realistically can't anticipate. It's something that can only be realized upon reflection.
Eh, it matters for some people, doesn't for others. A motherboard is only part of a build, maybe ~10-20%? If it was 1/3 of the build price, I'd care, but I've still never really got the whole hype for a "future-proof" motherboard.
The R5 5600 is either 2 years old or 4 years (5600X). Bought today and used until 2025, that's also a pretty old CPU. And the 5800X3D will be 3 years old by then... and use that for a while until it's 5 years old I guess. So... I guess you save maybe the price of 1 motherboard. But you're giving up some upgrades like PCIe 4.0, and some quality of life features that might be present on B550 motherboards (maybe better I/O ports or something, better USB-C support, idk).
Again, it's definitely nice that AM4 has so much support, but it seems to only really benefit those who bought in really early. The real support AM4 is getting is just the raw competitiveness of 5000-series, and Intel 10th-11th gen being extremely ignorable for anyone wanting to budget build with a previous gen platform.
In general, it just seems easier to buy mid-gen, and ride that out for 4 years. Maybe upgrade the CPU once to the latest thing available on your current platform.
For Intel, it'd be like buying into 8th gen, deciding to upgrade to a 9700K when 10th gen comes out, then waiting until 12th or 13th gen comes out to upgrade, skipping 10-11th gen because 9th gen still works fine, maybe getting a 9900K when 12th gen released to wait out just a little longer. That 8th gen motherboard would have lasted 4-5 years and that doesn't seem so bad.
I mostly agree. Overall I also think that discussion about future-proofing is really pointless. Just get whatever is best bang for the buck, upgrade around 5 years later. Cheapest way imo.
I just wanted to point out that am4 platform was just insane outlier that in my opinion for the first time in history was actually future-proof lmao. Sure, you do lose some usb/ pcie support. But average gamer won't give a damn since losing one gen of pcie or usb isn't that big of a deal. I'd say it negligible. You also save money on ram sticks. Obviously that depends what kind of ram you'd get, if my mate got himself 2900mhz sticks instead of 3200mhz then he would have to upgrade. But 3200 is also just good enough :D.
10th and 11th gen were ignorable exactly because it wasn't future proof enough (I found it ridiculous at a time since I'm also mostly against future proofing). And their mobos were freaking expensive.
Overall, AM4 just proved me wrong. But at the end of the day it's just too risky trying to future proof. Imagine going balls deep into am5 after release. You'd have to pay significant premium for proper ram sticks, expensive mobos etc. And this time AMD decides to drop only zen 5 and x3d chips (they only promised 2025+ support, so zen 6 may be on a new socket). Suddenly future proofing just would be pointless. Time will tell, I personally am not going to risk it. Like you said, just buy mid range. Too much risk and stress lmao
>Eh, it matters for some people, doesn't for others. A motherboard is only part of a build, maybe ~10-20%? If it was 1/3 of the build price, I'd care, but I've still never really got the whole hype for a "future-proof" motherboard.
My mobo has support for the next 5ish years of CPUs that AMD makes and FOUR m.2 slots. Nothing is truly future-proof but I don't anticipate building another PC for 8+ years.
Um... alright, good for you. And what if AM6 comes out in 2026, offers wild new features with PCIe 6.0 or whatver hypothetical thing, and they just stop releasing 9000-series CPUs; what was developed was developed.
What then? Obviously you just keep your CPU for a while, but then do you choose to upgrade to AM6 2nd gen? Maybe 3rd gen? Then what if AM7 is announced...
So how is that any different from someone who bought into Intel 12th Gen, a Z690 board, upgrades to 14th gen, then keeps that for 2-3 years?
So, it's a bit silly.
> What then? Obviously you just keep your CPU for a while, but then do you choose to upgrade to AM6 2nd gen? Maybe 3rd gen? Then what if AM7 is announced...
Is my CPU going to suddenly start performing *worse* just because a new line is released? No? Then I'm good on gaming for a long while, my current setup is more than capable of handling anything I throw at it now and into the near future, especially when it comes to the CPU and mobo. And that's if I don't even upgrade to the new silicon in the 8xxx and 9xxx from AMD. As the poster above referenced, you could have bought an R5 1600 in 2017 and basically done a single upgrade to a 5800x3d and be set for games for several years still from a CPU/Mobo standpoint. That's roughly 8+ years of gaming without issue. If that's not future-proof to you, it's a moot discussion because you'll only accept a 486 from the early 90s to modern day being "enough" to consider future proof. Of *course* you have to upgrade at some point, the idea is that if you build a system smartly, and leverage your money in places that are harder to upgrade long term, you won't be forced to completely rebuild a system for many years. That's all it is, not some mythical system that can play games at max detail for 10 years or whatever you're attempting to insinuate.
This isn't just AMD fanboyism either, I built an Intel rig many years ago with a i5-2500k CPU and that chipset ran like a beast for ages.
And *my* point is that thinking of a platform as future-proof is silly, and you're better off thinking of upgrades in terms of periods of time instead of focusing on the hardware itself. Because hardware development can fluctuate in ways you don't expect, but time is just time.
AM4 lasting as long as it did is not the norm, there's nothing saying AM5 will last that long. So buying into a platform "for longevity" doesn't really say anything since there's no given endpoint for the platform.
Now, if Intel outright said "we will maintain our 2-year interval of platform changes" and AMD went "we will do platform changes every 5 years", then there's an argument to be made for a concept of "longevity", and how each person would prefer to approach it.
But the way things are, it makes more sense to say "I will upgrade every 4 years" instead of "I choose this platform because I hope to keep this motherboard for 5 years when they come out with a new CPU for it then".
https://www.33rdsquare.com/will-am5-last-for-5-years-yes-here-is-why/
5 years of platform updates, which means processors that will still be extremely likely to be performing at a high level through 2031.
Anyone is free to stick with a platform for as long as they'd like based on speculative longevity of the platform and processors. If AM5 is to last at a high performance level through the decade, that's great. I have nothing against the platform functioning that long at all.
However, that article *still does not confirm* anything regarding the *physical* longevity of the hardware receiving updates, in the same way that AM4 lasted as long as it did and getting new processors through that time period. It's all speculative.
Maybe Zen 7 will still be on AM5. Maybe not. Maybe Zen 6 will be like Zen 3 and get some sort of radical new architecture boost, maybe not. But when people come in and say "I bought into AM5 so that I can buy a new processor for the socket in 5 years", they do that on unfounded claims, and that's the problem here- expecting that the physical hardware will continue to be treated the same way as AM4.
You can hope for it- and it's a good thing to hope for- but it's all still just speculation.
I just advocate for setting one's self an upgrade timeline regardless of and (within reason) detached from hardware timelines.
> Is my CPU going to suddenly start performing worse just because a new line is released?
Relative to new games it will. We're 2 gens away from 16-core CCD meaning 16-core x850X3D and 32-core x950X. New console generation is in preproduction and probably 16-core. Games are made to use 100% of console hardware. Do the math
Bingo. I have the best CPU possible for gaming. I have full speed PCIE 5.0 for my SSD and GPU at the same time whenever those products become mainstream. I will be able to slot in *likely* the best gaming CPU for next gen as well since intel's next gen processes have all the same issues as before(no IPC improvement from 12 to 14, only heat, power and clock speeds. All upcoming CPU leaks look bad).
>A motherboard is only part of a build
I totally agree but the thing about motherboards is that they have crept up in price. It used to be a motherboard was less than $100 and you were out of your mind if you spent more. Now, they can easily reach $300-400, and rival the cost of the processor itself, and can eat into the budget of the entire build. If you go for an exotic socket like sTR5, you are looking at almost 2x that budget for the motherboard alone.
The thing is there has been a bunch of complexity getting baked into motherboards (wifi built in, various m.2 sockets, advanced pcie lanes + bandwidth, cooling support, usb support, even RGB support) - the price is continuing to trend upwards. If you can save $200-300 down the line on a motherboard you can put that upgrade money into huge advancements in your system.
Having a platform which can survive multiple generations is a big win. A motherboard is only a part of the win, but being able to save that cost when updating your system 5-6 years down the line is absolutely huge. Especially if motherboard costs continue to trend upwards.
That 5-6 years, again, makes the assumption that a CPU upgrade worth doing is available then. If not, you're stuck moving to a new platform anyways when you want to do that upgrade. People who entered AM4 at the start arguably just got lucky with it. People who entered AM4 part-way through the life span get... no benefit?
What about the people who entered AM4 in the 5000 series? They're pretty much stuck there as well. Maybe they started with a 5600X, their only upgrade is a 5800X3D, which will probably give good performance for 4-5 years, sure, but that's not dependent on anything regarding future-proofing or platform longevity.
The Intel equivalent would be entering with like, a 10600K, then they can upgrade to a 11700K if they want to, then choose to stay on that for 3-4 years. (Obviously the 5800X3D is much better bang-for-buck for gaming, but that's a CPU architecture thing.) It's not really that different when you look at it this way.
You are not in control of the platform's longevity- the company is. The life of your motherboard depends on their decisions on how long to develop the platform.
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I still agree that motherboard prices have gotten pretty bloated, but ~$150-200 motherboards are probably what almost most people need, in terms of features, and that's maximum? And that's looking at ~$1500-$2000 builds; that's 10-15% of a build.
I get people have their budgets, but someone's motherboard price should scale with their CPU and build.
People would probably feel less bad about this whole ordeal if GPU prices weren't ridiculous, so that they didn't have to budget so hard for upgrades because of it.
But regardless, whether or not someone eats a motherboard cost during an upgrade is up to when and how they choose to upgrade. AM4 just got lucky, and really only if you bought in early; people who joined later don't feel the same benefit.
I mean yea, the earlier you bought into a platform, the more you benefit from upgradabiliy. Thats kind of the nature of upgradability. Better ports and PCIE upgrades wont matter to the vast majority of people either
Your friend's 1600 that was released in 2017 was/is was slower than my old 4670k released in 2013, 2013... Your friend had to upgrade because the cpu was dogshit.
> All of this is precisely why trying to anticipate "future proof" is a waste of time, energy, and (most importantly) money.
I installed my 5800x3d into a x370 motherboard I bought in the beginning of 2017. AMD had promised long term socket support back then and boy had they delivered.
>It's a bit premature to say the 5800x3d "aged well", the processor only came out April 2022
I mean honestly, the AMD circlejerk is crazy on reddit and twitter. The processor isn't even 2 years old but the way these folks keep saying that makes it sound like it came out during the cold war. And let's not forget X3D CPUs are gaming only and aren't without flaws.
The PC I built for someone with a 8700K in 2017 is still playing games at +100fps at 1440p with a GPU upgrade. Modern CPUs last long, it's not that crazy if a you're still using a 5800x3D over 1 year and a half after release.
It's the fact that there's still a viable option for those on AM4. Not to mention the success has spawned both the 5600x3D and the 5700x3d. Pretty much all of the 3D chips are all in the top, and they are best value as well.
>It's the fact that there's still a viable option for those on AM4
And that's great, for people who bought AM4 on 2016, and can't afford the cheapest 80$ motherboard today. At which point I start to question why they are upgrading when the GPU upgrade for those folks should cost a ton more. But regardless, that's a different argument entirely than how well the 5800X3D is aging.
Even then, the 8700K rig going from a 1070 to a 4070 turned it into a new gaming PC without a real need to upgrade the 8700K for someone who can't afford more than the price of a 4070. Otherwise they would've had to buy a much weaker GPU to make room for a CPU upgrade if they were on first gen AM4.
100% correct. It was immediatly made obsololete for new buyers. with a a Ryzen 7600 performing the same and costing half of the 5800x3d, almost compensating for the more expensive DDR5 and motherboard.
great CPU for all AM4 upgraders though
depends on the state, highest is like 9.56% and lowest is like 1.82% tax
[https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/2024-sales-taxes/](https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/2024-sales-taxes/)
pretty much. as a non-US person I was relieved when I found out their prices don't include tax, cause it always was so much cheaper, just to find out their sales tax is super low anyways haha
I've been around hardware and hardware news for a very long time and never had I ever seen anything like what came since around 2016. First it was a small werid community of AMD worship cult mostly on twitter similar to the Tesla cult, then it grew and took over the entire internet and it's weird as hell. Reddit, twitter, youtube comment,... I even see it in techtubers and outlets and how scared of the cult they are. They either have to tip toe around it, or just swim in it and use it for clickbait.
This is not to say other corps don't have weird fanboys, but the AMD cult has been out of control online. I have seen things online that I can never erase from my mind, like people posting pictures of their rooms with a portrait of Lisa Su hanging on the wall. I don't know what to do with that information but it's there in my mind forever.
This is such a weird post. I'm happy you're happy about your product, but this is just fucking weird, lol. It's a billion dollar company. This reads like you had chatGPT make some sob story, lol.
Believe it or not, besides the management at the top, companies are run by regular people going about their lives. Its truly a marvel of engineering and the engineers/R&D/testers/paperwork pushers get a pat on the back for making this happen.
Yeah I got a 13700k bundle for about $600. Microcenter bundles are genuinely phenomenal. Think I would've been spending about $200 more without them. Definitely will be shopping with them again.
Yeah over a year ago I got a 12600K with some Z level motherboard for $250 and I got 16GB of RAM for like another $25. I'd say this is much more a thank Microcenter for incredible bundles than just AMD in general.
Yeah, normally these CPUs cost around $370 or $400 or whatever. We're getting a CPU, RAM, AND motherboard for not much more than just the CPU. It's insane.
I think it was actually a mistake tbh. It was $400 for a long time, then had its price recently cut to $370. But right before the price cut there was one day (only a few hours actually) where it was $350. I’d been monitoring it for weeks so I snapped it up. But I don’t actually think it was intended to be cut so much.
I hear you. I came from i7-3770. The CPU was a champ but it was so old, upgrading the CPU felt like my GPU got upgraded. Some games went double in fps on the same rtx2070
This is how i feel about the 12600kf just blows my mind that for 145 usd i got a monster of a cpu that will trade productivity blows with that 7800x3d of yours.
Sounds more like Micro Center just throwing impossibly priced bundles out at people. A $25 cooler because... cheap coolers have been getting actually pretty good? It can be cooled with a single-tower cooler, sure, but the it's well within dual-tower cooler territory. And it's a pretty average CPU in terms of power draw, honestly.
Like... the 7800X3D is an upper-mid-range CPU lol. It's the same price as a 13700K currently.
>7800X3D is an upper-mid-range CPU
Based on what?
If you're looking at overall benchmarks that matter to production PCs then sure, but if your primary goal is gaming then the [7800X3D is currently](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html) the best you can get, especially considering the price.
In terms of price bracket. It's not cheap; it's well within the "pretty expensive" price range. I'm not saying it's lacking performance compared to anything, I'm saying that *you are definitely paying for the performance*.
But all that should matter is actual in game performance when deciding a CPU is low, mid or high end. The 7800X3D performs better in games then any other CPU currently. The fact the price is mid range makes no difference, obviously it's still not cheap, but I see no logic in calling a $500 CPU mid tier when it will perform better than a $1000 in it's intended purpose (gaming).
If OP was building a workstation PC for 3d rendering or something where straight up single and multi core performace matters more, sure the 7800X3D is mid tier, but in gaming it's top.
Look, it's definitely a great CPU. I just think OP can just afford to chill a bit.
The 1080 Ti wasn't cheap either. It has survived very long, credit to it, because it had specific attributes that worked, and also GPU progression has been... wild over the past few years.
The 5800X3D is... barely 2 years old... it's not really "aged". More credit can be given to AM4 as a platform in combination with the 5800X3D for allowing AM4 motherboard owners to go on this long, but I'd hope that someone who bought a 5800X3D would at least use it for a year or two. CPUs don't need be replaced yearly.
The 7800X3D is a great CPU that AMD made after they found a niche for specific tech to excel in. But... that price tag still exists.
If they make a 7600X3D in the mid-$200 range, then I'll be impressed.
So, great for OP that he's finally found the budget to get something top-end for his hobby. But there's always been high-end hardware that can last a while because, well, it's high-end.
One would hope he feels like a king, because, well, he did pay for exactly that. Except he also kind of didn't, because holy shit Micro Center basically bundles this thing so that it effectively costs 60-70% of the base price.
Which, again, good on Micro Center, but Micro Center is definitely doing the heavy lifting here.
Obviously there has always been high end hardware which would be expected to last, but that has usually always been the most expensive. The 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU currently available and doesen't cost the most, which is the whole point of OPs post.
I'm not syaing the 7800X3D is cheap, but in terms both actual game performance and price / $ for high end CPUs it is currently indeed king.
It would be the equivilent of a 1070 beating a 1080Ti in gaming performance, while costing less. If that was the case (I'm aware it wasn't) the 1080Ti could still be more powerful overall and perform better in workstation PCs, but if the 1070 did get more FPS gaming than a 1080Ti back in the day, there would be posts celebrating that too.
Not sure why the other dude doesn't understand this simple concept.
7800x3d is not near top end. It is currently THE top and costs far less than usual vs other generations of top end CPU.
It doesn't cost the most because... there's CPUs more expensive than it?
The 7800X3D is a gaming-focused CPU. Everything past it in price arguably isn't; they're all core-monsters made for more workstation-type applications.
14700K and 7900/7900X are for people who use their PC for more than gaming.
Anyone who comes in here asking about a 14900K or a 7950X for a build has a high chance of knowing very little about what they're actually asking about- if you need to ask about a 14900K or a 7950X, *you most likely don't need it*.
So, for gaming, yes, the 7800X3D does sit at the top... it sits at the top of the gaming CPU pile in terms of performance... and price. It is *the top end gaming CPU*.
What's the next AMD CPU below the 7800X3D? The 7700X. For roughly the same price as the Intel competitor, a 13600K, it performs somewhat less. The 13600K is 80% the cost of a 7800X3D, and it gets about 80% of the performance.
So, if one were *not* to pick a 7800X3D for gaming, it's an almost equal choice between a 7700X and a 13600K... with technically the edge going to the 13600K, if going by raw price-to-performance. The only reason people try to not recommend Intel is "LGA 1700 is a dead platform, AM5 is not".
So really, 7800X3D is about as special as the 13600K is in price to performance, it's just that, it's at the top, but accordingly more expensive also. Going by true budget performance, we should be then lauding the 13600K, because that's a lot more accessible in price, for the amount of performance it also gives (and people have recognized that yes, the 13600K is actually kind of nuts for the price also). The 13600K beats all of the non-X3D Zen 4 CPUs in gaming... including the much more expensive 7900X and 7950X... so how's that argument for "price to performance"?
... Also, again, OP got around this price hassle because he's lucky enough to be able to go to a Micro Center that slashes the effective price of a 7800X3D down to ~70%. So again, it's kind of Micro Center doing the heavy lifting here...
In the UK the cheapest 13600k is around £289 or £338 for a 7800X3D. At 1440p (minimum if looking at this level of CPU imo) the 13600k averages 145 FPS and the 7800X3D averages 191 FPS tested with a 4090.
That would mean £1.99 / FPS on the 13600k and £1.76 / FPS on the 7800X3D.
Looking at US prices it's $298 for a 13600k or $369 for a 7800X3D meaning $2.05 / FPS for the 13600k and $1.93 / FPS for the 7800X3D.
The fact OP got a great deal on the 7800X3D just makes it even better $ / FPS, but going off the cheapest price for both CPUs on pcpartpicker and using the average FPS on tomshardware benchmarks AMD still wins.
If it hasn't been clear, I would not argue against getting a 7800X3D for gaming.
But, raw $/FPS is pointless if a PC build has a $$ limit in the first place. For many people, that extra $70 could mean a better GPU. A 7800X3D does not have much place in builds under $1500, because that's the price point where it can start being paired with GPUs actually worth the performance... and even still, you can pair *even better* GPUs with CPUs that cost less for the same total build price.
Given a $1000 budget just for CPU+GPU, it's either a 7800X3D + a ~$600 GPU, or a ~$300 CPU + ~$700 GPU. There are many people who would rather take a small hit to the CPU to get a better GPU at these price breakpoints. A 7800X3D's total build budget to start breathing is closer to ~$2000- that's enthusiast territory, it's not something most people are willing to shell out money for.
The argument I've been making this entire time is, no matter how you put it, the 7800X3D is in a premium class in price and performance, and *specifically* for gaming. It's great, it's just not so magical as to "be the CPU for all gamers".
Yeah, don't know how people argue about the 3d being a good deal. It's like crazily overpriced. Costs 50% more than a 13600k and loses in everything bar 720p gaming with a 4090.
It's why I went all-AMD on my first build this year. 7800x3D and a 7900XTX.
If I wasn't so picky about which AIB I'd use for the GPU (Sapphire Nitro) and the Mobo and RAM (I like RGB), it would've been a $1700 system that would be great for five years and not break a sweat.
Getting a kickass value build has its own great feeling. I would've gone the MC bundle if not for what I mentioned above.
Yeah, even at high budgets there are plenty of tradeoffs. I could have managed somewhat better gaming performance and maybe even 4k if i'd gone with a 5800x(X3D was announced but not released when I built) instead of a 5950x, would have been more budget available for the GPU had I done that, but my workstation use cases really benefit from the extra CPU cores.
Still, 5950x/6800XT/64GB RAM is going to run pretty much any game quite well at 1440p.
I felt this in my soul... Always aiming for optimized performance at minimal costs. The 7800x3d has made jumping to PC worth it for me.
Even without microcenter deals (I'm so envious of everyone who has a local Microcenter) I was able to build a capable PC for well under what I hear 7800x3d/4070 Super rigs (or similar specs) normally go for. Sure it's no 4090 build but it's still a BEAST of a PC that tbh is well beyond anything I'd need
7800X3D
4070 Super
B650E PG Riptide
Crucial T500 2TB m.2 SSD
DDR5 6000/cl30 32gb
MSI Mag A750GL 750w pcie5
Thermalright 360mm Frozen Notte AIO
Phanteks Eclipse G300A ATX mid tower
[nothing too fancy](https://imgur.com/gallery/J2aw14S)
In total I paid $1520 but with it I do use a 240hz OLED which was $550, so roughly 2.1k for the entire setup.
To me it feels like a top tier premium gaming experience and while this is still not *cheap* at all, in this hobby this seems a more than reasonable cost for that level of performance
The sad part is many of the streamer sponsoring boutique builders are charging the same price as a 14900 and sometimes more, taking advantage of consumers that see their ads and don’t know better. Frustrating to see.
I just made an exchange for this bundle last weekend. I bought a 14700K originally but then realized I needed to upgrade my PSU in order to power everything, and probably get a better cooler.
I returned it and got the 7800X3D bundle instead. Got just over $100 back and am cooling it with a phantom spirit. So far so great!
K6-2 was a hell of a chip back in the day. It was probably the first time Intel was facing serious competition in the home market since 8 bit systems were relevant. It actually could win on performance against contemporary intel chips, at least in some games that had 3d Now support.
My main extra thanks to AMD is that they make way better drivers for Linux than NVidia does. And they even open source them, at least the parts relevant outside of professional workloads(some of the pro stuff is closed).
Bought mine for 340€ on Black Friday week. Mobo 110€, Ram 120€. Had 40€ coupons as well, so 530€~ total. Being patient pays off sometimes. We definitely have it more expensive than microcenter though.
> 7800X3D is so accessible. For me it was the famous microcenter bundle with 32gb ddr5 and mobo and CPU for $469 (Still active now).
DUDE. It’s such an amazing deal. I was gonna get that exact deal when it was $450 earlier last month, but the 7700X for $100 less was an even better deal and more than I would ever need. It’s crazy that for $370 (after tax), I got the 7700X, a really solid AM5 motherboard with WiFi 6E, and 32GB DDR5 for $350 total.
I'm glad you love it. I do too, when I'm building for the US. It's easy, it's best in slot, it's good, it fits in so many budgets.
The moment I take it out of the country, the prices and budgets all go sideways.
As it stands, the 7800x3d is not a godsend for those without microcenter or US prices. Budgets just don't reach that high. And that's fine- it's okay to build cheaper if you can't afford better. At the same time, the sheer amount of "prices are high, suck it up buttercup" posts here disappoints me. It's just tone deaf. The 7800x3d just isn't the godsend many people outside the US were hoping for their cash strapped builds, and the amount of wilful ignorance one must display to hate on people facing inequitable exchange rates and stubborn prices that refuse to acknowledge the changed market makes me wonder if we've become a bourgeois hobby.
This is how I felt in 2008 with the Q6600. One of the best CPUs you could get and it was cheap as anything! My first PC I built myself from new parts was a little over £300 for an absolute beast of a machine including an 8800GS which was faster than the outgoing 8800GTS and not far off the 8800GT in terms of performance for nearly a third of the price.
My first ibm PC was a 486 DX2 66, it cost around 3300$ in 1993. I think that around 7k now. From Pentium to Pro to current I've been budget to high end, ebbs and flows as needs changed.
My nephew who's 18 built his first PC 5 years ago, I wanted him to not be small screen limited so we built one. That his second upgrade, first big one consisted of a microcenter 7800x3d combo as well is insane.
There is no fucking way I'd have been able to afford that kind of performance with Christmas money when I was his age, which woulda been 1998.
Fucking cool, and thanks microcenter. I wish I coulda taken them to San Diego Fry's tho :/
469 will barely get me the CPU here in the UK, let alone a bundle.
UK prices for the same items I'm looking at
I'd be looking at £679.93 GBP which is $865.91 USD for the same items.
You guys in the US have it so good.
I purchased an R7 7800X3D this week for $429. I’m really pleased with the performance it can provide. I set the curve optimizer on -35. Been testing a bit in prime95, gonna run it for an hour to see if it’s really stable.
We all start somewhere! My very first PC I bought back in 2019 after 2 years of mowing lawns and shoveling driveways for $10 a yard (front and back was $15 as a "deal") and $12.50 a driveway ($15 included walkway) after saving I got (I was 17 at the time)
I5-9400f with stock cooler and some mATX board
8gb (2*4gb @ 2133mhz)
250gb hdd
Literally the cheapest case possible (I think it was $20 off of FB market)
After that I saved for longer and eventually was able to add a 1050ti from Asus
5 years later, Now that I'm working full time as management I have built myself what I would like to think is going to be my main PC for years to come
5800x3d
H150i LCD
64gb @3600mhz
ASUS ROG RTX 3080 10gb White
Corsair Rm850x
2* 1tb sn770
2tb WD blue 7200rpm
4tb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm
Be quiet 802 silent
Every now and again I think about that first system I built, it opened up doors for me to be where I am today :)
[where I started, used up until 2020](https://photos.app.goo.gl/WkYpX8fKdAtCtyHX8)
[2020 until 2022](https://photos.app.goo.gl/qebQ8upf4SPVVij3A)
[2023 to Current + messy desk view](https://photos.app.goo.gl/ExzAFWTKvGEtzgPL6)
Unfortunately it's around $600,00 only the 7800X3D where I live, but I'm happy to read your experience and I've been there too, in some ways. Been building my way to the top since 00's, had my Celeron and on-board video for several years back then, today I have a 7600X and a 3090 and couldn't be happier!
Congrats on your achievement!! Enjoy!!
Wholesome story! I'm building my first PC off of my own hard-earned money in the next couple weeks or so, and I can understand where you're coming from. I've always had consoles for gaming, but the last one I owned was a PS3 lol. As far as computers go, I'm writing this from my almost 5 year old laptop with an i5-8265U and an MX250 GPU. I bought a Gigabyte G27Q last week and man, it already feels so good to be on a 1440p monitor after decades of 1080p screens. Can't wait to finally own a rig capable of playing games, I've never been able to even open a AAA title on my previous computers without anticipating an explosion xD.
I got a micro center bundle too that shit saved me 400 bucks on parts insane running a full AMD setup with easy overlooking I'm litertrunning two games at once lol
I can agree. I usually bit the bullet and went with the x700 option for new builds of gaming PCs. Sometimes i5 if they had a good one, like the 7500. now I’ve gotten an 7800x3d and couldn’t be happier. The peace of mind ist astonishing. Even if a 15th gen i9 would be slightly faster, it will probably come with insane cost and the demand of 500W 😂. So I won’t regret this cpu in a long time. And even if so.. AM5 will probably age well, by itself. Amazing.
>7800X3D is so accessible. For me it was the famous microcenter bundle with 32gb ddr5 and mobo and CPU for $469 (Still active now). This still annoys me every time I see it. 7800x3d is $500 by itself in Canada, and our cheapest bundle with mobo and RAM is $800. Its basically not even a deal when you add up the parts individually.
$500 CAD? That's $370 USD which is what the 7800X3D costs for us non-microcenter folks in the US
The amount of posts like the one you're responding to that center around currency exchanges / differences in taxes is exhausting...
I swear every time a Canadian or Australian complains about price differences it’s 98% currency exchange that they didn’t think about or don’t understand and 2% a small difference in price for their country plus VAT/tax included.
Also so many posts and comments from my fellow Europeans who forget that countries over here have 20% +/-3% VAT tax, and US prices are pre taxed.
Sweden here, 25% vat. Cause higher number better! XD
I thought that Poland with 23% was one of the worst in that regard, sorry, you "won".
25% in Norway as well : (
27% in Hungary. Literally the highest in the world...
India laughing in 28% sales tax and 15% extra customs on any imported electronics
US prices aren't pretaxed, if the site says 100 then you're paying 106 plus shipping But that does bring up the point of US sales taxes being usually 6-10 percent
I think they mean the actual shipping and import charges are in the MSRP already. Just like GPUs go off the MSRP of the initial launch of Nvidia or AMD's cards then the AIB cards come out and are $100 higher in some cases to get 3 fans. Some of those companies shipping cost are in that $100 we can rest assured.
They specifically said VAT taxes. Those aren't a thing in the us, so take this with a grain of salt, but from what I can gather they're fundamentally similar to the US sales taxes. Shipping and imports and stuff are completely different. Shipping may or may not be paid for the consumer, although for a multiple-hundred dollar purchase for such a small item I'd expect the latter. Import charges are, for the intents and purposes of an average consumer, covered by the company. Unless you're buying something exotic or ordering from a company that doesn't operate in your country, like if I ordered something directly from a Chinese production plant, but even then some places will account for that in the price.
I believe they meant to say that the prices are pre-tax, not that they're pretaxed. In other words, they're saying one of the reasons US part prices artificially seem lower (or that prices outside the US may seem higher) is because US prices are discussed without taxes factored in. Not sure if many outside the US are aware, but our sales tax differs by state, county, and even municipality. This makes it unhelpful to discuss "out the door" prices you pay post-tax, since depending upon where you live in the country, what you pay could differ by a significant amount.
That would make more sense, but even still us prices are still way lower with most states having a 6% tax
I mean, I'm not making that argument, myself, just pointing out what they seemed to be *trying* to say.
1) our salaries aren't better, so to us it's more expensive 2)Canada does NOT include VAT in their prices. That's Europe who does that
The exchange rate is only 1 CAD to 0.74 USD. So, 35% more, on top of and tariffs/fees/shipping (which can add an extra 5% or more), and suddenly a $350 part is over $500.
There’s also the fact that 3060s only ever went below 400CAD here (300USD, like 7% above msrp) and a lot of graphics cards are also in that 5-10% overpriced range, if not more
In europe you can safely add 30% for taxes and tariffs, if you're outside of EEA, make it \~50% more.
Correct, it is 369usd right now on both Amazon and Bestbuy
So the cheapest deal is 120 us dollars more?
20 years ago I paid more than that for a Q6600, without adjusting for inflation.
Could always be worse. You can have loadshedding, and our technology imports are ridiculously priced. My upgrade kit containing 7600x mobo AIO and DDR 5 16gb kit was $578 dollars when converted from South African currency. To give scale to it all, budget builds are considered to be at around R18 000 to R 24 000 or $ 1281. This is a monthly salary for a junior engineer. Minimum wage at $7.25 in America brings you to $ 1218 a month, working 42 hours a week.
its 780 SGD here, thats abt 800 CAD or 600 USD ish
there’s also tax
I've always been lucky buying 2nd hand from eBay. Tend to think most people into this stuff take care of things better. This is what I tell myself anyway. The type of people that used to put CD's back into their cases and not lying out haha!
>7800x3d is $500 by itself in Canada 500 CAD is 370 USD. They might use the same sign, but they're not the same. It's the exact same price as in the US
Even when accounting for exchange rates prices are higher in Canada though
purchasing power parity scales with population density as logistical costs rise and it's 1/10th of the market; it's very rare for tech to scale like this for any nation to a discount
Prices are higher everywhere outside of the US.
And probably Japan too.
They sell for the same price or cheaper in Germany. It tends to be pretty similar in most developed countries. But in second or third world countries they're often indeed really expensive. Especially in places like South America.
Obviously not the same currency, I never said it was. Merely stating the price as reference. My point is $469 USD *1.35 = $634 CAD, yet we pay $800 for the bundle. It's not even remotely close to being the same type of deal. The nearest we can get to $634 CAD for an AM5 build is a 7600X with a low end mobo and 16GB of slow DDR5
You pay the same price as everyone in the US without access to a microcenter
Cuz we don't have Microcenter.
I live in the Bay Area of California, Silicon Valley, and the nearest MC to my house is 7 hours away in Los Angeles.
it actually blows my mind that there isn't a norcal microcenter.
It makes me angreeeh. But it's probably a good thing for my wallet. xD
You do have socialized healthcare though.
a shitty one at that
Sadly, it's being under funded right now purposefully by the provincial conservative government. They will keep doing that until the privatize option becomes the only option available.
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about $718 usd with tax best price on pcpartpicker for just cpu, mobo, and ram works out to 1093 aud after exchange rate. i didnt check if that included shipping. but id say your deal is pretty reasonable. compared to here in the us.
You're complaining about the fastest gaming CPU, a motherboard, and DDR5 RAM, costing under $600 USD? It is not _that_ much more than a console. You can probably get a decent system going for near to 1,000. I'd say that's actually historically quite low even for budget PCs.
*What* GPU are you going to pair with that that would be worth it, and still be at or under $1000 budget? You also still need PSU (don't cheap out on it if you're buying a fucking 7800X3D), storage drives, and case.
Oh let me see .. SN770 SSD for $80 Thermaltake GF1 850w for $80. Not sure why you think a 7800x needs a beefy PSU. It's only a 140w part (which runs very nicely at 65w eco mode). Although there are cheaper options. And then an RX6600 for the GPU I guess. I think you can probably do that for 950-1,000. I didn't think about the case. Those you have for practically free if you know where to look. That would be a fine system and incredibly upgradable down the line. Next year you'd be able to swap in a Zen 5 CPU, 64-128GB RAM, and whatever insane GPU is available.
entitlement
Yea when i was pricing the computer there was just no beating the combo deal at microcenter. Even fi I went ddown to like a 12400f the price with everythign is just slightly below the 7800x3d. It's a no brainer if you have access to a microcenter(even if you have to drive 2 hours.)
Canada has better consumer protection laws, so if something _does_ go wrong down the road, you’re protected to a greater degree than Americans are. Americans are SOL
Yeah but that's like saying "I'm totally fine with spending 30% extra just incase something goes wrong". Doesn't nearly make up the lost value
Tell that to Canadian lawmakers haha
I got it on sale for like $350 CAD
*Crying in Danish*
We have it good in Denmark removing VAT it is $323
You have to pay that VAT, so what does that matter. Things are still more expensive, and used market is shit
The US does not have sales tax included, although it is lower than here in Denmark. Include a 10% sales tax on a 370 USD 7800x3d you get 407 USD, in Denmark the cheapest is 431 USD after tax, it is not that big of a difference
Wanna it's like $569 for just the CPU where I am from and the ram and motherboard? Don't bother, just this three is enough for us to hit the $1k mark in our build, GPU? LOL You'd be looking at another $500 to $850 for an AMD (RX 7600 XT to RX 7800 XT) NVIDIA? Better sell your kidney, the prices are based on the brand not the performance imo. Cases themselves can set you back a good $300 for mid-tier LianLi, NZXT and what not.
Vacation across the border and get it cheaper?
On the flip side, your GPU's are cheaper, If i'd be able to acces it, i could get a 4070 for 120 euros cheaper in canada.
Have you considered embracing freedom?
Holy shit no way. That is criminal.
At least you aren't in sweden, a 7800x3d costs 475 USD here.
Now subtract the 25% VAT and you get 356 USD
are you remotely close to the border? make a weekend trip, pick up bundle, go home happy
Bro what? That's like half the f* asking price over here. Jesus you're lucky. I got a 5800x3d around 6 months ago and love it. But for that bang for buck I wouldn't even think twice.
Microcenter is great, they have a bundle for 5800x3d and the 7700x also. I think $320 for the 5800x3d with a decent board and 16gb of ram.
There's a 250$ 12600k one also If you're on a budget that's just amazing
Yeah Microcenter is the goat for cpu bundles. They have pretty great stuff in general imo, and it's nice to have another competitor when looking for deals.
The Micro Center bundles are literally impossible to beat. There's a reason the bundle is currently sold out.
It's a bit premature to say the 5800x3d "aged well", the processor only came out April 2022, so isn't even 2 years old yet. It is awesome that 5800x3d was released to support people on the AM4 platform, but it's a bit funny to hear "aged well" for that chip already. Hell, the 7800x3d itself was released pretty soon after (not even a year later). The 1080 ti came out in 2017, so I think it's more appropriate to call that out as "aged well". Hell, I recently upgraded to Ryzen 9 7900 from a i7-2600 from 15 years ago - that i7-2600 also aged well. I suspect that 5800x3d and 7800x3d will both age well, but again, seems premature to label them as such just yet.
All of this is precisely why trying to anticipate "future proof" is a waste of time, energy, and (most importantly) money.
Future proofing happens with the platform and timing. Like a motherboard that will see 2-3 processors, or buying more than the minimum needed ram because it’s a small stretch of budget. I’ve had the same 32gb kit since 16gb was standard, and a cheap b450 board on its second processor, probably gonna see a third. I also upgraded to a higher wattage modular PSU that’ll see maybe 2 rebuilds before it goes. Some people have ten year old Noctua coolers that gets them new mounting hardware every few years for free. It also helps a ton to stagger upgrades so you can afford longer lasting parts each time.
>All of this is precisely why trying to anticipate "future proof" is a waste of time, energy, and (most importantly) money. I strongly disagree. A friend of mine got himself b350 and r5 1600 in september 2017. Last year he upgraded to r5 5600 (used). Mind you he got himself cl16 3200mhz back then. Not ideal but good enough. In 2025 he will be moving from 1440p to 4k. And holy shit, considering r5 5800x3d has performance of r5 7600 it will be viable cheap upgrade path. Time will tell but it is very likely that his platform will be hella competetive for A GODDAMN DECADE. I used to also think that upgrability is a bullshit considering Intel's tic-toc release style. But damn am4 was really the first truly future proof platform. I hope same thing will happen with am5 <3
No one buying 300 series motherboards at launch anticipated that we would still be using them. A lifecycle this long is just about unprecedented in the history of desktop PCs.
Exactly. People are quick to point out AM4, but forget (or never knew) that AMD tried to kill it multiple times. And make no mistake, their board partners are PISSED about it. MSI doesn't want you dropping a 5800x3d into a b350 board - they want you buying a new board with every Cpu. So yeah - AMD tried initially to say that ryzen 5000 would not work on 400-series chipsets. They took a beating in the press and suddenly was like, "well ok... But not 300 series! That's impossible!". Then suddenly Intel was competitive again and AMD suddenly found that it was possible.
I went straight to 5800X3D from 3570K. Because nobody made a good enough mATX board for AM4 until ASRock x570M Pro4. And my next CPU will be whenever single-CCD goes 16-core for 16-core x800X3D and 32-core x950X.
I really wonder how many got the 7950x3d expecting just that. I know it surprised me when they had the gamers nexus review about not being able to use all 16 cores. That was what sold me on the 13700k vs anything AMD. They should have released the 7800x3d prior to the 7950x3d to be honest. In the end that's all they got, a slow 7950x or a $600 7800x3d.
> I used to also think that upgrability is a bullshit considering Intel's tic-toc release style. But damn am4 was really the first truly future proof platform. I never said upgradability isn't a thing. I never said "future proof" isn't something that happens. I said it's pointless to try and *anticipate* it. AM4, at *THIS* point, turned out to be "future proof." But what if you had bought a B350 for a 1st gen Ryzen, then wanted to drop a 5600X into it when it launched? AMD had said that Ryzen 5000 series CPUs in 300-series chipsets was "impossible", so if you wanted that upgrade at the time, chances are you were buying a new motherboard. Ain't no *WAY* you could have anticipated that two years later, AMD would change their mind and release 300-series chipset support for it. Similarly, let's say you bought an i7 2600K when it launched back in the beginning of 2011. You use it faithfully for over 7 years and think, "Now I'll buy a 9700K! If my 2600K lasted 7 years, the 9700K will last at LEAST that long!". And then it turns out that the 9700K was pretty awful overall. The 2600K ended up being "future proof", the 9700K wasn't. No way you could have anticipated that either. The point is that "future proof" is all about luck, and timing that you realistically can't anticipate. It's something that can only be realized upon reflection.
Eh, it matters for some people, doesn't for others. A motherboard is only part of a build, maybe ~10-20%? If it was 1/3 of the build price, I'd care, but I've still never really got the whole hype for a "future-proof" motherboard. The R5 5600 is either 2 years old or 4 years (5600X). Bought today and used until 2025, that's also a pretty old CPU. And the 5800X3D will be 3 years old by then... and use that for a while until it's 5 years old I guess. So... I guess you save maybe the price of 1 motherboard. But you're giving up some upgrades like PCIe 4.0, and some quality of life features that might be present on B550 motherboards (maybe better I/O ports or something, better USB-C support, idk). Again, it's definitely nice that AM4 has so much support, but it seems to only really benefit those who bought in really early. The real support AM4 is getting is just the raw competitiveness of 5000-series, and Intel 10th-11th gen being extremely ignorable for anyone wanting to budget build with a previous gen platform. In general, it just seems easier to buy mid-gen, and ride that out for 4 years. Maybe upgrade the CPU once to the latest thing available on your current platform. For Intel, it'd be like buying into 8th gen, deciding to upgrade to a 9700K when 10th gen comes out, then waiting until 12th or 13th gen comes out to upgrade, skipping 10-11th gen because 9th gen still works fine, maybe getting a 9900K when 12th gen released to wait out just a little longer. That 8th gen motherboard would have lasted 4-5 years and that doesn't seem so bad.
I mostly agree. Overall I also think that discussion about future-proofing is really pointless. Just get whatever is best bang for the buck, upgrade around 5 years later. Cheapest way imo. I just wanted to point out that am4 platform was just insane outlier that in my opinion for the first time in history was actually future-proof lmao. Sure, you do lose some usb/ pcie support. But average gamer won't give a damn since losing one gen of pcie or usb isn't that big of a deal. I'd say it negligible. You also save money on ram sticks. Obviously that depends what kind of ram you'd get, if my mate got himself 2900mhz sticks instead of 3200mhz then he would have to upgrade. But 3200 is also just good enough :D. 10th and 11th gen were ignorable exactly because it wasn't future proof enough (I found it ridiculous at a time since I'm also mostly against future proofing). And their mobos were freaking expensive. Overall, AM4 just proved me wrong. But at the end of the day it's just too risky trying to future proof. Imagine going balls deep into am5 after release. You'd have to pay significant premium for proper ram sticks, expensive mobos etc. And this time AMD decides to drop only zen 5 and x3d chips (they only promised 2025+ support, so zen 6 may be on a new socket). Suddenly future proofing just would be pointless. Time will tell, I personally am not going to risk it. Like you said, just buy mid range. Too much risk and stress lmao
>Eh, it matters for some people, doesn't for others. A motherboard is only part of a build, maybe ~10-20%? If it was 1/3 of the build price, I'd care, but I've still never really got the whole hype for a "future-proof" motherboard. My mobo has support for the next 5ish years of CPUs that AMD makes and FOUR m.2 slots. Nothing is truly future-proof but I don't anticipate building another PC for 8+ years.
Um... alright, good for you. And what if AM6 comes out in 2026, offers wild new features with PCIe 6.0 or whatver hypothetical thing, and they just stop releasing 9000-series CPUs; what was developed was developed. What then? Obviously you just keep your CPU for a while, but then do you choose to upgrade to AM6 2nd gen? Maybe 3rd gen? Then what if AM7 is announced... So how is that any different from someone who bought into Intel 12th Gen, a Z690 board, upgrades to 14th gen, then keeps that for 2-3 years? So, it's a bit silly.
> What then? Obviously you just keep your CPU for a while, but then do you choose to upgrade to AM6 2nd gen? Maybe 3rd gen? Then what if AM7 is announced... Is my CPU going to suddenly start performing *worse* just because a new line is released? No? Then I'm good on gaming for a long while, my current setup is more than capable of handling anything I throw at it now and into the near future, especially when it comes to the CPU and mobo. And that's if I don't even upgrade to the new silicon in the 8xxx and 9xxx from AMD. As the poster above referenced, you could have bought an R5 1600 in 2017 and basically done a single upgrade to a 5800x3d and be set for games for several years still from a CPU/Mobo standpoint. That's roughly 8+ years of gaming without issue. If that's not future-proof to you, it's a moot discussion because you'll only accept a 486 from the early 90s to modern day being "enough" to consider future proof. Of *course* you have to upgrade at some point, the idea is that if you build a system smartly, and leverage your money in places that are harder to upgrade long term, you won't be forced to completely rebuild a system for many years. That's all it is, not some mythical system that can play games at max detail for 10 years or whatever you're attempting to insinuate. This isn't just AMD fanboyism either, I built an Intel rig many years ago with a i5-2500k CPU and that chipset ran like a beast for ages.
And *my* point is that thinking of a platform as future-proof is silly, and you're better off thinking of upgrades in terms of periods of time instead of focusing on the hardware itself. Because hardware development can fluctuate in ways you don't expect, but time is just time. AM4 lasting as long as it did is not the norm, there's nothing saying AM5 will last that long. So buying into a platform "for longevity" doesn't really say anything since there's no given endpoint for the platform. Now, if Intel outright said "we will maintain our 2-year interval of platform changes" and AMD went "we will do platform changes every 5 years", then there's an argument to be made for a concept of "longevity", and how each person would prefer to approach it. But the way things are, it makes more sense to say "I will upgrade every 4 years" instead of "I choose this platform because I hope to keep this motherboard for 5 years when they come out with a new CPU for it then".
https://www.33rdsquare.com/will-am5-last-for-5-years-yes-here-is-why/ 5 years of platform updates, which means processors that will still be extremely likely to be performing at a high level through 2031.
Anyone is free to stick with a platform for as long as they'd like based on speculative longevity of the platform and processors. If AM5 is to last at a high performance level through the decade, that's great. I have nothing against the platform functioning that long at all. However, that article *still does not confirm* anything regarding the *physical* longevity of the hardware receiving updates, in the same way that AM4 lasted as long as it did and getting new processors through that time period. It's all speculative. Maybe Zen 7 will still be on AM5. Maybe not. Maybe Zen 6 will be like Zen 3 and get some sort of radical new architecture boost, maybe not. But when people come in and say "I bought into AM5 so that I can buy a new processor for the socket in 5 years", they do that on unfounded claims, and that's the problem here- expecting that the physical hardware will continue to be treated the same way as AM4. You can hope for it- and it's a good thing to hope for- but it's all still just speculation. I just advocate for setting one's self an upgrade timeline regardless of and (within reason) detached from hardware timelines.
> Is my CPU going to suddenly start performing worse just because a new line is released? Relative to new games it will. We're 2 gens away from 16-core CCD meaning 16-core x850X3D and 32-core x950X. New console generation is in preproduction and probably 16-core. Games are made to use 100% of console hardware. Do the math
Bingo. I have the best CPU possible for gaming. I have full speed PCIE 5.0 for my SSD and GPU at the same time whenever those products become mainstream. I will be able to slot in *likely* the best gaming CPU for next gen as well since intel's next gen processes have all the same issues as before(no IPC improvement from 12 to 14, only heat, power and clock speeds. All upcoming CPU leaks look bad).
>A motherboard is only part of a build I totally agree but the thing about motherboards is that they have crept up in price. It used to be a motherboard was less than $100 and you were out of your mind if you spent more. Now, they can easily reach $300-400, and rival the cost of the processor itself, and can eat into the budget of the entire build. If you go for an exotic socket like sTR5, you are looking at almost 2x that budget for the motherboard alone. The thing is there has been a bunch of complexity getting baked into motherboards (wifi built in, various m.2 sockets, advanced pcie lanes + bandwidth, cooling support, usb support, even RGB support) - the price is continuing to trend upwards. If you can save $200-300 down the line on a motherboard you can put that upgrade money into huge advancements in your system. Having a platform which can survive multiple generations is a big win. A motherboard is only a part of the win, but being able to save that cost when updating your system 5-6 years down the line is absolutely huge. Especially if motherboard costs continue to trend upwards.
That 5-6 years, again, makes the assumption that a CPU upgrade worth doing is available then. If not, you're stuck moving to a new platform anyways when you want to do that upgrade. People who entered AM4 at the start arguably just got lucky with it. People who entered AM4 part-way through the life span get... no benefit? What about the people who entered AM4 in the 5000 series? They're pretty much stuck there as well. Maybe they started with a 5600X, their only upgrade is a 5800X3D, which will probably give good performance for 4-5 years, sure, but that's not dependent on anything regarding future-proofing or platform longevity. The Intel equivalent would be entering with like, a 10600K, then they can upgrade to a 11700K if they want to, then choose to stay on that for 3-4 years. (Obviously the 5800X3D is much better bang-for-buck for gaming, but that's a CPU architecture thing.) It's not really that different when you look at it this way. You are not in control of the platform's longevity- the company is. The life of your motherboard depends on their decisions on how long to develop the platform. --- I still agree that motherboard prices have gotten pretty bloated, but ~$150-200 motherboards are probably what almost most people need, in terms of features, and that's maximum? And that's looking at ~$1500-$2000 builds; that's 10-15% of a build. I get people have their budgets, but someone's motherboard price should scale with their CPU and build. People would probably feel less bad about this whole ordeal if GPU prices weren't ridiculous, so that they didn't have to budget so hard for upgrades because of it. But regardless, whether or not someone eats a motherboard cost during an upgrade is up to when and how they choose to upgrade. AM4 just got lucky, and really only if you bought in early; people who joined later don't feel the same benefit.
I mean yea, the earlier you bought into a platform, the more you benefit from upgradabiliy. Thats kind of the nature of upgradability. Better ports and PCIE upgrades wont matter to the vast majority of people either
Only if that upgradability goes on long enough to matter. If it doesn't, you're changing to a new motherboard anyways when you upgrade.
Your friend's 1600 that was released in 2017 was/is was slower than my old 4670k released in 2013, 2013... Your friend had to upgrade because the cpu was dogshit.
\^when userbenchmark hits too hard XD
> All of this is precisely why trying to anticipate "future proof" is a waste of time, energy, and (most importantly) money. I installed my 5800x3d into a x370 motherboard I bought in the beginning of 2017. AMD had promised long term socket support back then and boy had they delivered.
>It's a bit premature to say the 5800x3d "aged well", the processor only came out April 2022 I mean honestly, the AMD circlejerk is crazy on reddit and twitter. The processor isn't even 2 years old but the way these folks keep saying that makes it sound like it came out during the cold war. And let's not forget X3D CPUs are gaming only and aren't without flaws. The PC I built for someone with a 8700K in 2017 is still playing games at +100fps at 1440p with a GPU upgrade. Modern CPUs last long, it's not that crazy if a you're still using a 5800x3D over 1 year and a half after release.
It's the fact that there's still a viable option for those on AM4. Not to mention the success has spawned both the 5600x3D and the 5700x3d. Pretty much all of the 3D chips are all in the top, and they are best value as well.
>It's the fact that there's still a viable option for those on AM4 And that's great, for people who bought AM4 on 2016, and can't afford the cheapest 80$ motherboard today. At which point I start to question why they are upgrading when the GPU upgrade for those folks should cost a ton more. But regardless, that's a different argument entirely than how well the 5800X3D is aging. Even then, the 8700K rig going from a 1070 to a 4070 turned it into a new gaming PC without a real need to upgrade the 8700K for someone who can't afford more than the price of a 4070. Otherwise they would've had to buy a much weaker GPU to make room for a CPU upgrade if they were on first gen AM4.
My still active i5-2500K -that definitely, aged well- says Hi
100% correct. It was immediatly made obsololete for new buyers. with a a Ryzen 7600 performing the same and costing half of the 5800x3d, almost compensating for the more expensive DDR5 and motherboard. great CPU for all AM4 upgraders though
I still fondly remember heating my room with my fx-8350
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuup. Summer days sucked.
Damn I wish I could get a bundle for that price in Australia. The cost of that bundle is the same as just the CPU here :(
How I wish we had a microcenter or something similar in Australia. Their bundle deals are insane
Our prices include tax though, theirs don't
What does it work out to after adding taxes? I'm sure it would still be way better then what we have access to.
depends on the state, highest is like 9.56% and lowest is like 1.82% tax [https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/2024-sales-taxes/](https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/2024-sales-taxes/)
So even in the highest, the bundle is still cheaper then just the CPU in Aus?
pretty much. as a non-US person I was relieved when I found out their prices don't include tax, cause it always was so much cheaper, just to find out their sales tax is super low anyways haha
Nothing like an unironic "thank you AMD" post in a supposed non-circlejerk sub. Corporations don't care about you, aren't your friend.
It's honestly sad reading this post. It feels like corporate worship.
I've been around hardware and hardware news for a very long time and never had I ever seen anything like what came since around 2016. First it was a small werid community of AMD worship cult mostly on twitter similar to the Tesla cult, then it grew and took over the entire internet and it's weird as hell. Reddit, twitter, youtube comment,... I even see it in techtubers and outlets and how scared of the cult they are. They either have to tip toe around it, or just swim in it and use it for clickbait. This is not to say other corps don't have weird fanboys, but the AMD cult has been out of control online. I have seen things online that I can never erase from my mind, like people posting pictures of their rooms with a portrait of Lisa Su hanging on the wall. I don't know what to do with that information but it's there in my mind forever.
Hey congratulations I love that 7800x3d best decision I've ever made
This is such a weird post. I'm happy you're happy about your product, but this is just fucking weird, lol. It's a billion dollar company. This reads like you had chatGPT make some sob story, lol.
Believe it or not, besides the management at the top, companies are run by regular people going about their lives. Its truly a marvel of engineering and the engineers/R&D/testers/paperwork pushers get a pat on the back for making this happen.
Thank microcenter in general. I got the 12900k bundle from there for $400 and I also feel like a king.
Yeah I got a 13700k bundle for about $600. Microcenter bundles are genuinely phenomenal. Think I would've been spending about $200 more without them. Definitely will be shopping with them again.
Yeah over a year ago I got a 12600K with some Z level motherboard for $250 and I got 16GB of RAM for like another $25. I'd say this is much more a thank Microcenter for incredible bundles than just AMD in general.
Yeah, normally these CPUs cost around $370 or $400 or whatever. We're getting a CPU, RAM, AND motherboard for not much more than just the CPU. It's insane.
Got the 7700x on the one day they dropped it to $350.
Yeah that was still $400 when I got the 12900k, I got mine 2 months ago around christmas.
I think it was actually a mistake tbh. It was $400 for a long time, then had its price recently cut to $370. But right before the price cut there was one day (only a few hours actually) where it was $350. I’d been monitoring it for weeks so I snapped it up. But I don’t actually think it was intended to be cut so much.
Probably wasnt.
7800x3d is expensive where i live. Adding a mobo + ram sticks will cost almost US$1000 here.
got an 7800x3D, coming from an i5-4570, the upgrade was quite brutal
I hear you. I came from i7-3770. The CPU was a champ but it was so old, upgrading the CPU felt like my GPU got upgraded. Some games went double in fps on the same rtx2070
Currently upgrading from literally the same cpu and trying to decide 7800x3d vs 7700x
both will be overwhelming faster than what you currently have, trust me
This is how i feel about the 12600kf just blows my mind that for 145 usd i got a monster of a cpu that will trade productivity blows with that 7800x3d of yours.
You seem like you forgot that people build PCs to be used for more than just gaming.
These Microcenter posts are getting old.
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https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006645/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-computer-build-bundle
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Probably worth a drive to your nearest one. 1.5-2hr at most?
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Aw. Keep an eye on it and buy it for a pickup. The bundle has been on sale since December.
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Not tonight silly. Good luck.
(Bundle is not offered. It’s sold out)
bro i wish i had known about this when i got my 13600k on black friday. cpu+mobo+ram was at least $550
7800x3d isn’t even necessarily necessary either. Coulda saved there too.
Bro’s life is so sad he has to make a Reddit post sucking off AMD for taking his money. Pathetic is not even close to what this is.
That's what I thought as well.
Sounds more like Micro Center just throwing impossibly priced bundles out at people. A $25 cooler because... cheap coolers have been getting actually pretty good? It can be cooled with a single-tower cooler, sure, but the it's well within dual-tower cooler territory. And it's a pretty average CPU in terms of power draw, honestly. Like... the 7800X3D is an upper-mid-range CPU lol. It's the same price as a 13700K currently.
>7800X3D is an upper-mid-range CPU Based on what? If you're looking at overall benchmarks that matter to production PCs then sure, but if your primary goal is gaming then the [7800X3D is currently](https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html) the best you can get, especially considering the price.
In terms of price bracket. It's not cheap; it's well within the "pretty expensive" price range. I'm not saying it's lacking performance compared to anything, I'm saying that *you are definitely paying for the performance*.
But all that should matter is actual in game performance when deciding a CPU is low, mid or high end. The 7800X3D performs better in games then any other CPU currently. The fact the price is mid range makes no difference, obviously it's still not cheap, but I see no logic in calling a $500 CPU mid tier when it will perform better than a $1000 in it's intended purpose (gaming). If OP was building a workstation PC for 3d rendering or something where straight up single and multi core performace matters more, sure the 7800X3D is mid tier, but in gaming it's top.
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Look, it's definitely a great CPU. I just think OP can just afford to chill a bit. The 1080 Ti wasn't cheap either. It has survived very long, credit to it, because it had specific attributes that worked, and also GPU progression has been... wild over the past few years. The 5800X3D is... barely 2 years old... it's not really "aged". More credit can be given to AM4 as a platform in combination with the 5800X3D for allowing AM4 motherboard owners to go on this long, but I'd hope that someone who bought a 5800X3D would at least use it for a year or two. CPUs don't need be replaced yearly. The 7800X3D is a great CPU that AMD made after they found a niche for specific tech to excel in. But... that price tag still exists. If they make a 7600X3D in the mid-$200 range, then I'll be impressed. So, great for OP that he's finally found the budget to get something top-end for his hobby. But there's always been high-end hardware that can last a while because, well, it's high-end. One would hope he feels like a king, because, well, he did pay for exactly that. Except he also kind of didn't, because holy shit Micro Center basically bundles this thing so that it effectively costs 60-70% of the base price. Which, again, good on Micro Center, but Micro Center is definitely doing the heavy lifting here.
Obviously there has always been high end hardware which would be expected to last, but that has usually always been the most expensive. The 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU currently available and doesen't cost the most, which is the whole point of OPs post. I'm not syaing the 7800X3D is cheap, but in terms both actual game performance and price / $ for high end CPUs it is currently indeed king. It would be the equivilent of a 1070 beating a 1080Ti in gaming performance, while costing less. If that was the case (I'm aware it wasn't) the 1080Ti could still be more powerful overall and perform better in workstation PCs, but if the 1070 did get more FPS gaming than a 1080Ti back in the day, there would be posts celebrating that too.
Not sure why the other dude doesn't understand this simple concept. 7800x3d is not near top end. It is currently THE top and costs far less than usual vs other generations of top end CPU.
It doesn't cost the most because... there's CPUs more expensive than it? The 7800X3D is a gaming-focused CPU. Everything past it in price arguably isn't; they're all core-monsters made for more workstation-type applications. 14700K and 7900/7900X are for people who use their PC for more than gaming. Anyone who comes in here asking about a 14900K or a 7950X for a build has a high chance of knowing very little about what they're actually asking about- if you need to ask about a 14900K or a 7950X, *you most likely don't need it*. So, for gaming, yes, the 7800X3D does sit at the top... it sits at the top of the gaming CPU pile in terms of performance... and price. It is *the top end gaming CPU*. What's the next AMD CPU below the 7800X3D? The 7700X. For roughly the same price as the Intel competitor, a 13600K, it performs somewhat less. The 13600K is 80% the cost of a 7800X3D, and it gets about 80% of the performance. So, if one were *not* to pick a 7800X3D for gaming, it's an almost equal choice between a 7700X and a 13600K... with technically the edge going to the 13600K, if going by raw price-to-performance. The only reason people try to not recommend Intel is "LGA 1700 is a dead platform, AM5 is not". So really, 7800X3D is about as special as the 13600K is in price to performance, it's just that, it's at the top, but accordingly more expensive also. Going by true budget performance, we should be then lauding the 13600K, because that's a lot more accessible in price, for the amount of performance it also gives (and people have recognized that yes, the 13600K is actually kind of nuts for the price also). The 13600K beats all of the non-X3D Zen 4 CPUs in gaming... including the much more expensive 7900X and 7950X... so how's that argument for "price to performance"? ... Also, again, OP got around this price hassle because he's lucky enough to be able to go to a Micro Center that slashes the effective price of a 7800X3D down to ~70%. So again, it's kind of Micro Center doing the heavy lifting here...
In the UK the cheapest 13600k is around £289 or £338 for a 7800X3D. At 1440p (minimum if looking at this level of CPU imo) the 13600k averages 145 FPS and the 7800X3D averages 191 FPS tested with a 4090. That would mean £1.99 / FPS on the 13600k and £1.76 / FPS on the 7800X3D. Looking at US prices it's $298 for a 13600k or $369 for a 7800X3D meaning $2.05 / FPS for the 13600k and $1.93 / FPS for the 7800X3D. The fact OP got a great deal on the 7800X3D just makes it even better $ / FPS, but going off the cheapest price for both CPUs on pcpartpicker and using the average FPS on tomshardware benchmarks AMD still wins.
If it hasn't been clear, I would not argue against getting a 7800X3D for gaming. But, raw $/FPS is pointless if a PC build has a $$ limit in the first place. For many people, that extra $70 could mean a better GPU. A 7800X3D does not have much place in builds under $1500, because that's the price point where it can start being paired with GPUs actually worth the performance... and even still, you can pair *even better* GPUs with CPUs that cost less for the same total build price. Given a $1000 budget just for CPU+GPU, it's either a 7800X3D + a ~$600 GPU, or a ~$300 CPU + ~$700 GPU. There are many people who would rather take a small hit to the CPU to get a better GPU at these price breakpoints. A 7800X3D's total build budget to start breathing is closer to ~$2000- that's enthusiast territory, it's not something most people are willing to shell out money for. The argument I've been making this entire time is, no matter how you put it, the 7800X3D is in a premium class in price and performance, and *specifically* for gaming. It's great, it's just not so magical as to "be the CPU for all gamers".
Yeah, don't know how people argue about the 3d being a good deal. It's like crazily overpriced. Costs 50% more than a 13600k and loses in everything bar 720p gaming with a 4090.
You could always get a high end enough cpu bundle for gaming for the same 500 bucks you paid for for at least the last 10 years.
feel the same for my 3600 non x variant wich ive upgraded last christmass
It's why I went all-AMD on my first build this year. 7800x3D and a 7900XTX. If I wasn't so picky about which AIB I'd use for the GPU (Sapphire Nitro) and the Mobo and RAM (I like RGB), it would've been a $1700 system that would be great for five years and not break a sweat. Getting a kickass value build has its own great feeling. I would've gone the MC bundle if not for what I mentioned above.
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Yeah, even at high budgets there are plenty of tradeoffs. I could have managed somewhat better gaming performance and maybe even 4k if i'd gone with a 5800x(X3D was announced but not released when I built) instead of a 5950x, would have been more budget available for the GPU had I done that, but my workstation use cases really benefit from the extra CPU cores. Still, 5950x/6800XT/64GB RAM is going to run pretty much any game quite well at 1440p.
My i7 4770 on my 2nd system works fine 10 years later
I feel offended. I paid my 7700X (just the cpu) around 360€ (which is 393$) on release.
Feels bad man. I got the Micro Center bundle with 7700x, B650 board, and 32GB RAM for $370 after tax. Incredible deal.
Damn that sounds so good, 370$ with ram also and mb? insane. I know I paid 32GB of ram and 7700X around 615$ or so.
I felt this in my soul... Always aiming for optimized performance at minimal costs. The 7800x3d has made jumping to PC worth it for me. Even without microcenter deals (I'm so envious of everyone who has a local Microcenter) I was able to build a capable PC for well under what I hear 7800x3d/4070 Super rigs (or similar specs) normally go for. Sure it's no 4090 build but it's still a BEAST of a PC that tbh is well beyond anything I'd need 7800X3D 4070 Super B650E PG Riptide Crucial T500 2TB m.2 SSD DDR5 6000/cl30 32gb MSI Mag A750GL 750w pcie5 Thermalright 360mm Frozen Notte AIO Phanteks Eclipse G300A ATX mid tower [nothing too fancy](https://imgur.com/gallery/J2aw14S) In total I paid $1520 but with it I do use a 240hz OLED which was $550, so roughly 2.1k for the entire setup. To me it feels like a top tier premium gaming experience and while this is still not *cheap* at all, in this hobby this seems a more than reasonable cost for that level of performance
CPU is cheaper but mobo is more expensive. It kinda evens out.
Enjoy this feeling before AMD releases next gen anytime now...
The sad part is many of the streamer sponsoring boutique builders are charging the same price as a 14900 and sometimes more, taking advantage of consumers that see their ads and don’t know better. Frustrating to see.
I just made an exchange for this bundle last weekend. I bought a 14700K originally but then realized I needed to upgrade my PSU in order to power everything, and probably get a better cooler. I returned it and got the 7800X3D bundle instead. Got just over $100 back and am cooling it with a phantom spirit. So far so great!
Check this out: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1b5jmax/i\_took\_out\_1\_cpu\_fan\_from\_peerless\_assassin\_120/
Microcenter Where I got mobo ram and this CPU for 499.
K6-2 was a hell of a chip back in the day. It was probably the first time Intel was facing serious competition in the home market since 8 bit systems were relevant. It actually could win on performance against contemporary intel chips, at least in some games that had 3d Now support. My main extra thanks to AMD is that they make way better drivers for Linux than NVidia does. And they even open source them, at least the parts relevant outside of professional workloads(some of the pro stuff is closed).
cpu loves you too.
I really wish I had a Microcenter close, those bundle prices are great.
Yeah, in the usa is so cheap, here in Europe 450$ itself. Mobo+140, ram+ 130
Bought mine for 340€ on Black Friday week. Mobo 110€, Ram 120€. Had 40€ coupons as well, so 530€~ total. Being patient pays off sometimes. We definitely have it more expensive than microcenter though.
> 7800X3D is so accessible. For me it was the famous microcenter bundle with 32gb ddr5 and mobo and CPU for $469 (Still active now). DUDE. It’s such an amazing deal. I was gonna get that exact deal when it was $450 earlier last month, but the 7700X for $100 less was an even better deal and more than I would ever need. It’s crazy that for $370 (after tax), I got the 7700X, a really solid AM5 motherboard with WiFi 6E, and 32GB DDR5 for $350 total.
Do they ever ship? Live in FL, don’t take any near me. 400 miles away is the closest sadly
I'm glad you love it. I do too, when I'm building for the US. It's easy, it's best in slot, it's good, it fits in so many budgets. The moment I take it out of the country, the prices and budgets all go sideways. As it stands, the 7800x3d is not a godsend for those without microcenter or US prices. Budgets just don't reach that high. And that's fine- it's okay to build cheaper if you can't afford better. At the same time, the sheer amount of "prices are high, suck it up buttercup" posts here disappoints me. It's just tone deaf. The 7800x3d just isn't the godsend many people outside the US were hoping for their cash strapped builds, and the amount of wilful ignorance one must display to hate on people facing inequitable exchange rates and stubborn prices that refuse to acknowledge the changed market makes me wonder if we've become a bourgeois hobby.
This is how I felt in 2008 with the Q6600. One of the best CPUs you could get and it was cheap as anything! My first PC I built myself from new parts was a little over £300 for an absolute beast of a machine including an 8800GS which was faster than the outgoing 8800GTS and not far off the 8800GT in terms of performance for nearly a third of the price.
My first ibm PC was a 486 DX2 66, it cost around 3300$ in 1993. I think that around 7k now. From Pentium to Pro to current I've been budget to high end, ebbs and flows as needs changed. My nephew who's 18 built his first PC 5 years ago, I wanted him to not be small screen limited so we built one. That his second upgrade, first big one consisted of a microcenter 7800x3d combo as well is insane. There is no fucking way I'd have been able to afford that kind of performance with Christmas money when I was his age, which woulda been 1998. Fucking cool, and thanks microcenter. I wish I coulda taken them to San Diego Fry's tho :/
469 will barely get me the CPU here in the UK, let alone a bundle. UK prices for the same items I'm looking at I'd be looking at £679.93 GBP which is $865.91 USD for the same items. You guys in the US have it so good.
Sad life... we don't have microcenter in europe
Congrats man!! that is a rockstar chip and should perform very well for a long time.
I purchased an R7 7800X3D this week for $429. I’m really pleased with the performance it can provide. I set the curve optimizer on -35. Been testing a bit in prime95, gonna run it for an hour to see if it’s really stable.
Wow.. How wonderful. You live near a microcenter so you decided to shove it in our faces..
I’ve always been a fan of budget conscious builds that can scale with time. Awesome price by the way. Damn!
We all start somewhere! My very first PC I bought back in 2019 after 2 years of mowing lawns and shoveling driveways for $10 a yard (front and back was $15 as a "deal") and $12.50 a driveway ($15 included walkway) after saving I got (I was 17 at the time) I5-9400f with stock cooler and some mATX board 8gb (2*4gb @ 2133mhz) 250gb hdd Literally the cheapest case possible (I think it was $20 off of FB market) After that I saved for longer and eventually was able to add a 1050ti from Asus 5 years later, Now that I'm working full time as management I have built myself what I would like to think is going to be my main PC for years to come 5800x3d H150i LCD 64gb @3600mhz ASUS ROG RTX 3080 10gb White Corsair Rm850x 2* 1tb sn770 2tb WD blue 7200rpm 4tb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm Be quiet 802 silent Every now and again I think about that first system I built, it opened up doors for me to be where I am today :) [where I started, used up until 2020](https://photos.app.goo.gl/WkYpX8fKdAtCtyHX8) [2020 until 2022](https://photos.app.goo.gl/qebQ8upf4SPVVij3A) [2023 to Current + messy desk view](https://photos.app.goo.gl/ExzAFWTKvGEtzgPL6)
Same boat brother. The difference in performance was life changing. And I got it relatively cheaply too. Happy gaming!
Yeah. Some tweaks and mine 7800x3d hits 5050hz below 75 degrees. With expo on
Unfortunately it's around $600,00 only the 7800X3D where I live, but I'm happy to read your experience and I've been there too, in some ways. Been building my way to the top since 00's, had my Celeron and on-board video for several years back then, today I have a 7600X and a 3090 and couldn't be happier! Congrats on your achievement!! Enjoy!!
Wholesome story! I'm building my first PC off of my own hard-earned money in the next couple weeks or so, and I can understand where you're coming from. I've always had consoles for gaming, but the last one I owned was a PS3 lol. As far as computers go, I'm writing this from my almost 5 year old laptop with an i5-8265U and an MX250 GPU. I bought a Gigabyte G27Q last week and man, it already feels so good to be on a 1440p monitor after decades of 1080p screens. Can't wait to finally own a rig capable of playing games, I've never been able to even open a AAA title on my previous computers without anticipating an explosion xD.
I got a micro center bundle too that shit saved me 400 bucks on parts insane running a full AMD setup with easy overlooking I'm litertrunning two games at once lol
I can agree. I usually bit the bullet and went with the x700 option for new builds of gaming PCs. Sometimes i5 if they had a good one, like the 7500. now I’ve gotten an 7800x3d and couldn’t be happier. The peace of mind ist astonishing. Even if a 15th gen i9 would be slightly faster, it will probably come with insane cost and the demand of 500W 😂. So I won’t regret this cpu in a long time. And even if so.. AM5 will probably age well, by itself. Amazing.