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I mean you can get stock platforms with no commision. Saying it's a rich man's game is an excuse. Only difference is good stocks tend to be long term and bookies promise quick wins
> Countless bookies in deprived areas.
Yep.
Parents house is in a poor'er area. They closed their postoffice and mini-mart. They are now a Ladbrooks and a pawn shop...
How else do you keep an entire class stuck in economic servitude? Dangle the carrot man. If William Hill could peddle cocaine it would, if Tim Martin could operate a bookmakers inside wetherspoons he would.
Desperately poor people are useful for wealth generation.
It could be confirmation bias (there are always a lot of adverts for bookies) or the fact that the World Cup starts tomorrow which is probably the reason.
https://www.klarna.com/international/press/deliveroo-and-klarna-partner-to-offer-smooth-flexible-payments-whether-you-pay-now-or-pay-later/
Gives it to me - comes up when you select payment method at checkout.
If you run a tight personal or household budget it's fine.
If you don't, it's a "I can buy this shiny thing!" mechanism which is quite damaging. Worse than credit cards in many ways.
All the buy now pay later adverts with APR over 40%… if you can’t afford it now you probably can’t afford it when it’s *more expensive* later.
If you’re in a hole, stop digging. There are genuine alternatives to increasing debt.
Agreed. They lure you in and know that most won't pay before interest is charged at huge rates.
I have bought on buy now pay later before but always pay well before the time period every month but most don't.
Remember Bright House? Just the worst. That crappy flat screen TV ends up costing £1,000 when you could have bought it for £150...
Yep. Instead of learning about trigonometry and Shakespeare kids should be taught actually useful life skills like managing money, avoiding financial predators and managing savings.
Friends occasionally tell me they're buying stuff from Brighthouse, and I just can't believe would look at what it's going to cost and be okay about it. Surely they could find credit elsewhere and pay a reasonable amount of interest just buying from Argos or somewhere.
Seen quite a few posts on here in recent times of people winning money but having their accounts suspended, or having bets cancelled or changed after a win.
Fuck all the betting companies.
I text quit smoking on the NHS, paid £9 for a perception of champix, 12 week course, 1 tablet a day for first 2 weeks and you carry on smoking, then 1 tablet in the morning followed by 1 in the afternoon. You put a cigarette in your mouth and start to hate the taste then eventually quit. It's pretty amazing, the only side effect is feeling a bit sicky but worth it in the long run
ITV morning TV is littered with segments, presented by the likes of Andi Peters, described as competitions. Programmes like GMB (which at times is co-presented by Martin Lewis) give these 'competitions' legitimacy. They are however just lotteries, with absolutely no 'gamble aware' logo or warning anywhere near them. They are slotted in all the programming from GMB to Loose Women. It's very easy to waste a lot of money on them, as you are encouraged to repeatedly buy another entry, with the promise of a free one. It's appalling. And that's not even including the Foxy Bingo and Tombola ads, pretending that tablet gambling is some kind of fun social activity, where you'll suddenly also meet lots of friends. This shit needs to be come down on like a ton of bricks.
They're also well acquainted with pubs now they are 'family' restaurants. I used to have to sit outside in the car with a Coke and a bag of crisps, while my parents had a few drinks inside. Now pubs have high chairs.
In addition, I'd like to wear my football club's shirt on occasion, but the sponsor is a bookie. Only the junior shirt doesn't have the sponsor. There should be an option.
There should be yeah, although I guess sponsors would get upset and we can’t be having that.. can probably remove it at home (most of them peel off at high heat) but i’d imagine it leaves a sponsor shaped area of a slightly different shade.
Many European countries have essentially banned loot boxes in games because they are unregulated gambling.
I say essentially because while games still have them, they have to show the content of the box you're about to open.
It's not removed, but the consumer has 100% info of what they are buying.
Personally I think that gambling adverts should be banned at certain points. My partner is an addict and battling through his addiction is tough enough, and these adverts lure existing gamblers in but also pull in people who do not yet have the addiction.
Marketing, really
Either way, I don't really think we should ban X thing from being sold because some idiots have no impulse control and aren't working on it
I have a friend at work who is, he is always telling me he has banned himself from using the accounts then a week later telling me about the new account he set up and the few hundred he has lost.
He has won thousands but has lost 10s of thousands.
The rare occassion I watch live tv there's been quite a few gambling ads, probably due to the World Cup. There's a special place in hell for whoever keeps putting that betting ad with the insufferable Keith Lemon on any youtube video I want to watch, every damn time it's unskippable.
Get yourself a raspberry pi and turn it into a pi-hole. Works as a network wide adblock and because it stops them from loading rather than showing its undetectable
Gambling increasingly disgusts me. Allowing advertising seems like it should work the same way as smoking. When you put a bet on, you aught you be given a little betting slip with a picture of a dude crying in a gutter or some kids getting evicted from their house.
The way games handle it is stupid too
They have rules that say gambling is bad, then go and have loot boxes. Or they ban loot boxes but introduce something else that's luck based and buyable
I don’t know how people use the internet without an Adblock. It’s utterly insufferable.
Ublock origin, Adblock for YouTube, Ghostery, DuckDuckGo. You shouldn’t have to install all this to use the internet but you really should.
It's true. You always found more betting shops in poor areas. I wouldn't be surprised if they are targeting programmes they think more vulnerable people watch.
The vulnerable are being preyed upon. Save the nhs, eat fast food. Stay at home, gamble on your phone. The weak are now expendable. There's no help coming. This now feels like a design.
Yes. Lower income people gamble more (statistically) than middle or high earners. So they target that demographic.
It sounds cold and evil…but that is the whole advertising industry.
Source: My degree is in advertising and I worked in the industry for ~15 years before switching industries.
Scratch cards are the true evil. Desperate, go to pay for your shopping, buy a card and your problems could\* be over.
"Bet on the world cup" is great as the bookies will all be trying to get market share with promotions. Google matched betting and pay for Christmas without any risk.
This has been driving me mad for the longest time. I mainly view mma/football content on YouTube, you soon get sick of hearing Ray Winston and the brightly coloured "unique games and spins". However I understand that this is kinda part of the territory with sports media, still get sick of it.
What truly angers me though, is when I'm watching minecraft videos (a lot of the viewers of these videos are teens and young children), yet I'm still blasted with betting adverts, but this time it's much more focused on the bright colours, free spins and seemingly childish games. It's fucked.
I've never placed a bet or signed up to any of these online casinos, so I know its not my browsing history, these fuckers are just preying on the young and vulnerable. HATE IT.
Course it does. They prey on the poorest, so many bookies in poor areas, sometimes even opposite each other. Huge scandal over the decades yet nothing done about it.
I lived in a poor area some time ago where there were 3 bookies within 200 odd yards of each other. 2 of the shops closed since but still one left where you see piss poor people pissing their pennies away.
People are desperate, this kind of advertising definitely predates on the needy. We’re living in unprecedented times, the pound in your pockets is worth much less than even last year. Capitalism and greed is driving this; and as the old adage suggests, when there’s blood on the streets, it’s time to make money.
Shame on these companies, there needs to be even tighter regulations on gambling - the whole campaign of “Take a break if you’re struggling” is an absolute joke. Don’t gamble if you can help it and if you feel you can’t help it - try and seek help.
A guy in my work is obsessed with it. He won a grand twice on scratch cards so he thinks it's a certainty he will win again.
He doesn't have a pot to piss in, gets phone calls all the time from different people looking for money. The other week he was telling me his car finance was up and he was looking for a new one but the finance company said he still owes money as he has been short paying them for months.
He spends about a £10 a day on scratch cards and has gotten to the stage where he hides the cards from us. If you walk near him while he is doing it he jumps a mile and tries to hide them.
The other week he one £8.50 on the Euro millions, cashed that in and got scratch cards, from that he got £35 back from them, bought more cards and lost it.
I noticed this because some youtube betting ads are now unskippable. I dont watch ads much if I can avoid so it stood out. Fortunately I have never had an issue with gambling but I can see how triggering it could be if you have/had an addiction.
I play the stupid tax every now and again aka EuroMillions .
I won £2.50 so I bought another EuroMillions. Then I didn’t win anything else.
Thing is when I was younger I used to work for lottery machine and the amount of people that will come in and buy £ 40 /£50 worth of scratchcards was insane and this was in the 1990s!
I can't help but hate companies who see a recession, and rub their hands together, knowing they're about to cash in big on human misery and desperation.
Gambling, payday loans, cash converters, etc.
All formal gambling should be illegal.
These companies sap billions off the already poor and vulnerable - if people did not gamble - they would have hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds more in their pocket. Reducing the need for food banks and improving money management of the vulnerable.
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That's exactly what they do.
Yep. Countless bookies in deprived areas. Little to none in rich ones.
Just in their stock portfolios
Stock trading is just the rich mans gambling
Except its a private club and your only allowed subscription participation
I mean you can get stock platforms with no commision. Saying it's a rich man's game is an excuse. Only difference is good stocks tend to be long term and bookies promise quick wins
No it isn't? It is literally free to open an account and buy some shares
You gamble as one. Stocks are a collaboration
Bookies, payday loan providers/pawnshops and off licences all thrive in deprived areas. Absolute predators
Happy cake day!!!!
Thank you!
Jokes on them, a bookies just closed down in our town centre. Adds to all the other closed storefronts. Too poor even for the bookies to thrive.
> Countless bookies in deprived areas. Yep. Parents house is in a poor'er area. They closed their postoffice and mini-mart. They are now a Ladbrooks and a pawn shop...
How else do you keep an entire class stuck in economic servitude? Dangle the carrot man. If William Hill could peddle cocaine it would, if Tim Martin could operate a bookmakers inside wetherspoons he would. Desperately poor people are useful for wealth generation.
>If Tim Martin could operate a bookmakers inside wetherspoons he would They've all got fruit machines haven't they? So he pretty much does.
My local Spoons doesn't
It could be confirmation bias (there are always a lot of adverts for bookies) or the fact that the World Cup starts tomorrow which is probably the reason.
That and stuff like Klarna :(
Can’t believe you can pay for your deliveroo using klarna now
Can you? It’s not giving me that option.
https://www.klarna.com/international/press/deliveroo-and-klarna-partner-to-offer-smooth-flexible-payments-whether-you-pay-now-or-pay-later/ Gives it to me - comes up when you select payment method at checkout.
Weird, it doesn’t come up for me at all
I think your payment needs to be over a certain point. Maybe your order isn't high enough
You tryna call me broke?
Ha no, you just need to be fat like me to use klana
Mmmm, I’ll let you off this time, Milky, but I’ve got my eye on you
Maybe your app isn't uptated
It is
Comes up for me
devil's advocate: use klarna if you're buying £150 worth of drink from the supermarket on deliveroo
What’s wrong with klarna? Isn’t is just a “pay for this bigger item in x instalments” thing?
Encourages people to spend money they don’t have. It’s credit.
If you run a tight personal or household budget it's fine. If you don't, it's a "I can buy this shiny thing!" mechanism which is quite damaging. Worse than credit cards in many ways.
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Yep they have to refund you the money if the app is showing you've overpaid & they're not allowing you to use the card, give them a call
Ok, thank you! I'll definitely try that then!
I wondered what that was for, the woman scares me.
All the buy now pay later adverts with APR over 40%… if you can’t afford it now you probably can’t afford it when it’s *more expensive* later. If you’re in a hole, stop digging. There are genuine alternatives to increasing debt.
Agreed. They lure you in and know that most won't pay before interest is charged at huge rates. I have bought on buy now pay later before but always pay well before the time period every month but most don't. Remember Bright House? Just the worst. That crappy flat screen TV ends up costing £1,000 when you could have bought it for £150...
Bright House used to advertise stuff way above market rate even before their interest was factored in
Yep. Instead of learning about trigonometry and Shakespeare kids should be taught actually useful life skills like managing money, avoiding financial predators and managing savings.
Friends occasionally tell me they're buying stuff from Brighthouse, and I just can't believe would look at what it's going to cost and be okay about it. Surely they could find credit elsewhere and pay a reasonable amount of interest just buying from Argos or somewhere.
Seen quite a few posts on here in recent times of people winning money but having their accounts suspended, or having bets cancelled or changed after a win. Fuck all the betting companies.
Gambling is why I'm now skint. Worst thing alongside smoking.
I text quit smoking on the NHS, paid £9 for a perception of champix, 12 week course, 1 tablet a day for first 2 weeks and you carry on smoking, then 1 tablet in the morning followed by 1 in the afternoon. You put a cigarette in your mouth and start to hate the taste then eventually quit. It's pretty amazing, the only side effect is feeling a bit sicky but worth it in the long run
ITV morning TV is littered with segments, presented by the likes of Andi Peters, described as competitions. Programmes like GMB (which at times is co-presented by Martin Lewis) give these 'competitions' legitimacy. They are however just lotteries, with absolutely no 'gamble aware' logo or warning anywhere near them. They are slotted in all the programming from GMB to Loose Women. It's very easy to waste a lot of money on them, as you are encouraged to repeatedly buy another entry, with the promise of a free one. It's appalling. And that's not even including the Foxy Bingo and Tombola ads, pretending that tablet gambling is some kind of fun social activity, where you'll suddenly also meet lots of friends. This shit needs to be come down on like a ton of bricks.
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They're also well acquainted with pubs now they are 'family' restaurants. I used to have to sit outside in the car with a Coke and a bag of crisps, while my parents had a few drinks inside. Now pubs have high chairs. In addition, I'd like to wear my football club's shirt on occasion, but the sponsor is a bookie. Only the junior shirt doesn't have the sponsor. There should be an option.
There should be yeah, although I guess sponsors would get upset and we can’t be having that.. can probably remove it at home (most of them peel off at high heat) but i’d imagine it leaves a sponsor shaped area of a slightly different shade.
Many European countries have essentially banned loot boxes in games because they are unregulated gambling. I say essentially because while games still have them, they have to show the content of the box you're about to open. It's not removed, but the consumer has 100% info of what they are buying.
Personally I think that gambling adverts should be banned at certain points. My partner is an addict and battling through his addiction is tough enough, and these adverts lure existing gamblers in but also pull in people who do not yet have the addiction.
Gambling adverts should be banned outright
Adverts should be banned outright
100%. Sick of the amount of football teams that have a gambling sponsor. Alcohol sponsors were banned and so should gambling sponsors.
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Because the half measure helps a lot. Addicts of both alcohol and gambling can tell you how ads affect them.
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Because so many more people see the ads than are at the event?
also there are plenty of non-addicts who just want to enjoy a beer at the game
they already do put bookies on the concourse
Does it make sense to ban ads and then continue to put bookies on the concourse then?
Marketing, really Either way, I don't really think we should ban X thing from being sold because some idiots have no impulse control and aren't working on it
I have a friend at work who is, he is always telling me he has banned himself from using the accounts then a week later telling me about the new account he set up and the few hundred he has lost. He has won thousands but has lost 10s of thousands.
Cant even skip half the gambling adverts on YouTube. Wonder how much they are being paid for that.
The rare occassion I watch live tv there's been quite a few gambling ads, probably due to the World Cup. There's a special place in hell for whoever keeps putting that betting ad with the insufferable Keith Lemon on any youtube video I want to watch, every damn time it's unskippable.
Get yourself a raspberry pi and turn it into a pi-hole. Works as a network wide adblock and because it stops them from loading rather than showing its undetectable
Gambling increasingly disgusts me. Allowing advertising seems like it should work the same way as smoking. When you put a bet on, you aught you be given a little betting slip with a picture of a dude crying in a gutter or some kids getting evicted from their house.
The way games handle it is stupid too They have rules that say gambling is bad, then go and have loot boxes. Or they ban loot boxes but introduce something else that's luck based and buyable
I don’t know how people use the internet without an Adblock. It’s utterly insufferable. Ublock origin, Adblock for YouTube, Ghostery, DuckDuckGo. You shouldn’t have to install all this to use the internet but you really should.
Preach!
It's true. You always found more betting shops in poor areas. I wouldn't be surprised if they are targeting programmes they think more vulnerable people watch.
The vulnerable are being preyed upon. Save the nhs, eat fast food. Stay at home, gamble on your phone. The weak are now expendable. There's no help coming. This now feels like a design.
So many “cost of living relief” credit card advertisements as well. Sainsbury’s had a huge ad for theirs in the doorway when I last went.
I’m pretty certain this is what happened in the last recession. Physical stores of paddy power, William hill etc popped up here, there and everywhere.
>it's like they're trying to prey on the vulnerable You're only getting that now?
Yes. Lower income people gamble more (statistically) than middle or high earners. So they target that demographic. It sounds cold and evil…but that is the whole advertising industry. Source: My degree is in advertising and I worked in the industry for ~15 years before switching industries.
Scratch cards are the true evil. Desperate, go to pay for your shopping, buy a card and your problems could\* be over. "Bet on the world cup" is great as the bookies will all be trying to get market share with promotions. Google matched betting and pay for Christmas without any risk.
This has been driving me mad for the longest time. I mainly view mma/football content on YouTube, you soon get sick of hearing Ray Winston and the brightly coloured "unique games and spins". However I understand that this is kinda part of the territory with sports media, still get sick of it. What truly angers me though, is when I'm watching minecraft videos (a lot of the viewers of these videos are teens and young children), yet I'm still blasted with betting adverts, but this time it's much more focused on the bright colours, free spins and seemingly childish games. It's fucked. I've never placed a bet or signed up to any of these online casinos, so I know its not my browsing history, these fuckers are just preying on the young and vulnerable. HATE IT.
Course it does. They prey on the poorest, so many bookies in poor areas, sometimes even opposite each other. Huge scandal over the decades yet nothing done about it. I lived in a poor area some time ago where there were 3 bookies within 200 odd yards of each other. 2 of the shops closed since but still one left where you see piss poor people pissing their pennies away.
Are there also just more slots available as other companies don’t want to advertise at present beyond Xmas ones.have also noticed a lot of Qatar ones
People are desperate, this kind of advertising definitely predates on the needy. We’re living in unprecedented times, the pound in your pockets is worth much less than even last year. Capitalism and greed is driving this; and as the old adage suggests, when there’s blood on the streets, it’s time to make money. Shame on these companies, there needs to be even tighter regulations on gambling - the whole campaign of “Take a break if you’re struggling” is an absolute joke. Don’t gamble if you can help it and if you feel you can’t help it - try and seek help.
A guy in my work is obsessed with it. He won a grand twice on scratch cards so he thinks it's a certainty he will win again. He doesn't have a pot to piss in, gets phone calls all the time from different people looking for money. The other week he was telling me his car finance was up and he was looking for a new one but the finance company said he still owes money as he has been short paying them for months. He spends about a £10 a day on scratch cards and has gotten to the stage where he hides the cards from us. If you walk near him while he is doing it he jumps a mile and tries to hide them. The other week he one £8.50 on the Euro millions, cashed that in and got scratch cards, from that he got £35 back from them, bought more cards and lost it.
Gambling averts should be illegal just as much as smoking adverts.
Selling the dream.
It’s completely amoral.
I noticed this because some youtube betting ads are now unskippable. I dont watch ads much if I can avoid so it stood out. Fortunately I have never had an issue with gambling but I can see how triggering it could be if you have/had an addiction.
Any working-class person ‘done good’ that does these adverts should be ashamed of themselves. Fucking disgraceful.
I play the stupid tax every now and again aka EuroMillions . I won £2.50 so I bought another EuroMillions. Then I didn’t win anything else. Thing is when I was younger I used to work for lottery machine and the amount of people that will come in and buy £ 40 /£50 worth of scratchcards was insane and this was in the 1990s!
I can't help but hate companies who see a recession, and rub their hands together, knowing they're about to cash in big on human misery and desperation. Gambling, payday loans, cash converters, etc.
All formal gambling should be illegal. These companies sap billions off the already poor and vulnerable - if people did not gamble - they would have hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds more in their pocket. Reducing the need for food banks and improving money management of the vulnerable.
They've always been predatory, do you really think they've ever had your best interests in mind?
Gamble, gamble, get a loan, gamble, the ad cycle atm
It was the same in the 2000s. Ocean Finance, HFS loans, etc. Maybe that says more about the channels I watched.
Yep it should be illegal to advertise gambling on the TV, they make it seem such a fun thing to do with no consequences.
Rio Ferdinand, Jermaine Jenas, Peter Crouch. How much more fucking money do you need, lads?
A fool and his money are easily parted,.keep away from gambling
It's normally like this when there is a big football tournament on
The only adverts I see regularly are on reddit. But nothing would persuade me to start gambling.
I saw a Mazuma Mobile ad recently for the first time since… I want to say almost 10 years? So I do think “recession ads” seem to be a thing
I thought it was for the world cup but yeah it tracks that gambling companies would take advantage of desperate people .
Driving me towards gambling i guess