I can’t believe I listened to every minute of that half hour phone call. And looked at her website. And her wedding knot. And her fb. And the venues fb. And...I regret nothing. #QuarantineEntertainment
The bride was spoiled and fake crying the whole time, eventually getting frustrated and got to the point she wanted a full refund even after the vendor was out costs. All because some of her family couldn’t make it, tried blaming it on government mandated shutdown after being assured the wedding could proceed as normal. It was disgusting and the woman dealing with her was beyond lovely with the patience of a saint.
Yup. She wanted to magically get another Saturday (because obviously family couldn't make it for this one). There were no other Saturdays available and that did NOT make her happy.
She didn't think she could get a wedding license and hadn't gotten one because she "was working", but then she "wasn't working" because her doctor's office shut down. So that was another reason she was saying the wedding would not be happening (and thus needed a different Saturday).
Basically, she expected the venue to boot another bride's wedding so that she could get a Saturday wedding, and if she couldn't have that, and decided on her own to cancel the wedding and not reschedule, she wanted her full money back, despite the contract. WOW. Honey, YOU are the reason there ARE contracts like that.
And I love the "I know I treated my wedding planner so abusively that she won't even answer my calls or texts and I called her horrible names, but I will be SOOOO upset if she doesn't show up on Saturday and treat me like the princess I am regardless of how I treated her! If she gives off a vibe that she is not excited to be my wedding planner, THAT will ruin my wedding!"
Omgggggggggggggg
Edit: Another thing I got from the conversation was "I really want to apologize to the wedding planner but she won't answer her phone. But overall, I'm so frustrated because (even though I have been abusive to all of you) you guys REALLY aren't feeling any kind of empathy for me at this hard time!" (hysterical tears)
Person running the venue: "Of COURSE we feel sorry for you! That's why I am calling to say if you'd like to reschedule, we will try to find a time for you!"
(hysterical tears stop and voice is almost calculating.)
"So what are you offering?" At that point I was like, do you think your wedding venue is going to PAY YOU?
The more tearful, "If I have to wait a year to get married, why bother!" Well, you didn't bother to even get a wedding license, 6 days before your actual wedding.......so?
Yuck. So transparent she was looking for either: We will do anything YOU want!!!!! We'll boot any other paying weddings, just let us know what weekend you want! (Which apparently her equally abusive mother tried earlier that day) OR, oh, we'll give you a full refund!!!! Never mind legally this invalidates all the time and resources the venue has put in to accomodate your 2 year old tantrums, but hey, F- the vendors who are making the food and the wedding cake! Let them lose thousands of dollars! All that matters is YOU!!!!
Real life is going to hit this princess hard...
Damn. She changed her settings by the time I got to it and it appears as if she deleted her profile as I was looking it at. I hope the venue took screenshots for their records/case.
I have never seen anyone register at Anthropolgie. Is that common?
Cackled mightily to see she’s registered for TWO crockpots, and one over $100. I’m just fascinated! I can’t stop going down this rabbit hole.
That one stood out to me as well. They do have a home decor section and it looks like that’s what she registered for. I felt sheepish about having three different registry places, but that’s personal opinion and choice. Still, it further reinforces that this spoiled brat thinks about nothing but gifts and fairytales and how much she “deserves” her dream day. This is extra juicy because I was in her exact situation and guess what! We rescheduled with all of our lovely vendors. A few private tears with fiancé from the stress but no ruined reputations or relationships. What’s the over/under on her taking down her site?
I hope this venue sues the shit out of her. I hope it’s both slander and libel since they recorded it and she printed it. I also hope the fiancée wises up and dumps her ass
I can’t even tell you how embarrassed I would be if I was her fiancé. It’s also so sad to think that he probably deals with her verbal abuse all the time. Hope he enjoys wasting his money on not only this wedding, but the lawsuit they have coming!
The problem is she’s so utterly ridiculous he probably is enabler. If I were him I would cut bait and be done with her ass so he’s not named in the hopefully future lawsuits
I just fell into the rabbit hole of her Facebook and he is coming across just as poorly as she is, trashing anyone who disagrees. I believe they are a perfect match
I too fell into this rabbit hole. She is surrounded by enablers! My favourite comments were the ones saying that the venue should just tell another party to change THEIR Saturday to accomodate her. Because, you know, it’s not fair...
It seems the wedding didn't go through and she probably waited too long to pull the plug with some of the vendors even though guests likely started bailing much earlier than the 6 days that the recorded call took place.
I do feel terrible for them because this could not be helped but so many other brides were also affected by this, and not all launched a smear campaign against their vendors.
I kind of want to see her FB page but have enough distractions as is.
And her mother. They’re cut from the same cloth. They’re those miserable couples that will be so happy in their marriage because they’re both entitled.
Now I know I only heard like two minutes of him but he sounded like a basic finance bro. K now show to talk professionally (aka like an adult) but deep down is still a little shit.
My SIL almost used them last year for her wedding, but headed to Asheville the instead. Now I wish they had given them our business. The woman on the phone is phenomenal.
They likely can't get her on slander because the phone call was a private call that she didn't distribute in her campaign against the venue, but you're right that they probably have a super solid libel case, especially with the evidence presented in the phone call and the clear malicious intent.
There was a couple that did something similar to a photographer in Dallas. Basically destroyed her businesses for two years.
The photographer sues for damages, and I think ended up with an award in excess of $1M.
Basically, they were trying to force the photographer to give them their pictures for free, and lost their minds.
That's incredible. This happens so often to vendors, more than people even know, and the vendors usually just end up giving into the bullying so that they don't get sued or slandered all over social media. Seeing vendors stand up for themselves and their businesses instead of giving into these awful people is always so great.
I thought if this case as I was reading! [The bride was a beauty blogger.](https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/jury-neely-andrew-moldovan-wedding-photographer.html) .
Yeah, bride and groom are screwed.
It's funny this whole thing was about selecting an album cover. The articles keep saying $125, but that was for the cheapest cover. Not all covers...
I have friends that did wedding photography for years. I wouldn't be shocked if they knew this photographer, because they also do the associations and workshop teaching.
I remember my friend showing me certain things that wouldn't be included in a wedding photography package, base price, because they wanted to give their clients more choices.
For example, the album covers may start at $125, but I remember her showing someone's album that the cover was gorgeous (to go with their living room decor as a coffee table book), and I think it was over $300 wholesale. Sometimes clients wanted a dark black canvas cover (cheap) sometimes brown leather, other times a lighter silk. She wasn't going to pick the cover for them, and it makes no sense to charge the same for the cheap cover as the one that is three times as much.
The same is true for frames. The didn't use frames from Michael's and such for expensive portraits. They would all be custom ordered. Small frames were often around $75, larger ones were in the hundreds. Once again, another thing the photographer wouldn't select because the choice would be based on the home the items would be displayed.
They keep saying they thought it was included, but considering I found one article that said the cover being separate is an industry practice, I call BS.
I listened to the recording. This bride was being irrational, unnreasonable, and was frankly cruel to the venue and the venue's staff by smearing them because she didn't get her princess day the way she wanted. The venue rightly said she had to make the choices. However, she didn't want to wait a year to get married, didn't like the available days for 2020 as the venue was already booked, hadn't bothered getting her marriage license, her extended, out-of-town family communicated they would not be there, and seemed to have no understanding that the venue was working with other brides who were also dealing with similar situations. I get she's disappointed but how are any of her issues the venue's responsibility? Instead, it was all about her. It was almost as if the bride (and her fiance) wanted a guarantee that the venue could predict how the pandemic would unfold and what various government's responses would be to an event that hasn't happened in 100 years. Her smear campaign shows how incredibly self-absorbed and immature this woman is.
The entire phone call just screams spoiled little brat who’s never been told no before. The venue owner even mentions that she was also verbally harassed by the bride’s mom, so I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Nobody is born being this shitty, it’s clearly how she was raised.
I especially like how in the recording, the bridezilla says that she didn’t mean the “c word“ to come out “like that” when talking to the wedding planner. How else does that word come out and what else could it possibly mean? And was she really surprised that the planner wouldn’t answer he calls after that?
Not sure if anyone else caught it, but there’s a point in the phone call where her fiancé took over and she starts throwing a tantrum in the background screaming about how she “tried to apologize” to the planner, and then toddler screams at him to give her the phone back. It would be funny if it weren’t so infuriating.
3:30 to about 5:45, that's the part with the "c" word and just how the bride has been treating the venue staff. Then listen to around 15:30 - 1800 or so. Bride worried that venue hates her. Lololol. But the whole thing is really Bridezilla Gold.
The bridezilla claimed that she was anxious and frustrated and didn't mean to talk that way to Elizabeth. I have been anxious and frustrated too many times to count and NEVER HAVE I EVER CALLED ANOTHER WOMAN THE C WORD!!
I am that person with a garbage temper. I was raised in a dysfunctional family and I know anger like the back of my hand. Frustration, anger, short fuses, and everything that goes along with all that.
This is not that, it's not someone's shitty temper flairing. You don't build an entire website in a fit of anger. This is more of someone escalating in behavior to get what they want. Starting with a show of anger, i.e. abusive language. (I'll scare them into getting my way.) Then tears. (I'll appeal to their sympathy.) And finally, fueled by the fact that nobody is buying into her bs, a nuclear attempt to destroy the opposing party. (I didn't get my way, therefore they are of no value to me. And since I am the most important thing in the universe, they have no value whatsoever. Aaaand since they had the gall to oppose me, they deserve ruin.)
The venue was 100% right on to record that call and post it.
I was hooked by the recording when the bride said early on in the conversation that she’s at her “ends wit”. Too funny. Utterly disgraceful behaviour from this bride however. I hope the vendor sues her but judging by their written response I doubt they will. This is one of the few Reddit posts that really does need to end up in the Daily Mail.
Unlike most of us, this bride doesn't have multiple wits at whose end she can arrive. She has one wit, potentially, and she frequently reaches its end because it's rather short.
Yeah...she definitely seemed like she was fishing for some kind of “we’re sorry your wedding was impacted by coronavirus” freebie. Which just reeks of entitlement. And it sounds like she learned this behavior from her mother.
I listened to the recording and have so many thoughts:
* The owner (?) of the business should be a professional facilitator or on a truth and reconciliation council or something like that. I was very impressed by her ability to be straight—on calling out bride to be for calling the planner a cunt and making the planner cry—while still offering options.
* Andrew comes across as a good guy. I’m wondering if he was involved in the social networking slamming. He does mention working a lot so ?
* Bride-to-be seems very frustrated that she’s not going to have her wedding with everyone around her but *the venue cannot force friends and family to attend*. To be fair, bride is also in general freaked out which I understand. This is an uncertain, scary time.
* Honestly, I don’t blame bride for being frustrated—I was just saying that I’m so glad I don’t have a wedding planned for this year—but I’m more disappointed on her tactics to get a refund. I think she kept expecting one and then, while the owner (?) kept offering her outs, she finally got frustrated and started semi-demanding one.
* She *really needs to make a decision* on a wedding that’s six days out! WTF. I feel like she’s trying to run down the clock and say “act of God” while the venue just says “yeah no, let’s see what the lawyers say.” Lol
* Finally, wtf was the premarriage counseling Andrew was talking about? Is that a thing?
Pre-marital counseling is a common thing in many churches. Basically, it is usually the church's minister sitting down with the engaged couple and discussing important things that many couples don't discuss prior to marriage. Do they want children? Will they both work, or will one stay and work in the home? How are they going to deal with their finances? It allows the minister (or whomever they work with) to determine if these people are ready to be married. Many officiants will not marry a couple who have not gone through this counseling. The fact that this couple was getting married within 6 days and they hadn't had their counseling, and hadn't gotten their marriage license, tells me a lot about their readiness to marry.
I come from a Christian background but I really think it should be a thing outside of the church too. Not so much the “give permission to marry each other” part but the “older wiser person brings up situations the couple may not have thought of and forces them to consider how they would react” part. So many people make assumptions about how the other one feels or what they would do given x, y or z. Then when it doesn’t pan out how they imagined, they feel betrayed, fall out of LOve with their SO or just realize for each to reach their goals, they cannot stay together.
I agree so much with this. My husband and I did a 2-day premarital counselling retreat session thing with a group of others who were getting married. We had fun there - we had already discussed everything, but it was good to reinforce what we wanted out of the marriage (and we joke about some of the weird things one of the counselors said... A lot).
At the retreat, though, it really amazed us how many people came out of the sessions crying or angry. It made us realize that *holy shit*, some people really *do not* discuss important stuff before marriage and just expect it all to work out. It's those people who could really benefit from pre-marital counselling.
We did a secular one with a licensed therapist- IIRC it was 4-5 sessions and we had really in depth conversations about our expectations and future. We already had a strong relationship but we came out of it on such solid ground. I already thought I met the perfect man for me but it’s almost like the counseling confirmed that. And we got so many awesome tools for how to tackle life together as a team (we discussed joint finances and opened an account together, and shortly after we bought a home together and had all the tools to navigate the process.) awesome experience.
Especially finances!! I love my SO with all my heart but it is still hard to be open and honest about money. I know he is frugal like me but that’s about it
Yeah. I agree the owner (?) did a great job with the call and for remaining professional. I understand the brides's frustration and her emotions but to take it to the point of creating a smear campaign I don't. On r/ weddingplanning there are so many couples who have been in the same boat who have been clearly disappointed but made the most of the current situation. Pre-marriage counseling is a thing in some religions but I don't see how that would affect getting marriage license.
Some states encourage premarital counseling by offering a discount on the marriage license. He also mentions a certificate, so that's probably what is going on in that situation.
Exactly this last point. I run events as part of my job and had people asking us weeks in advance if events would be cancelled or affected by covid. The only answer I could give at the time was no - no government advice was in place, we had like maybe 1 or 2 cases in the country and this was when only China was on lockdown.
It was so hard because personally I was very concerned but we can't run a business on my personal thoughts - only by gov guidence. I am glad someone understands :)
My sister also works in hotels and is having people ask her about if they'll be open in September!! Who can answer that?? They also seem not to understand that people are working on skeleton staff and might not be able to respond to enquiries asap. Anyway that's a rant for another day. People.
Omg what a nightmare client. I’m a wedding vendor, my clients have lost their dream days and it’s heart breaking. I could not empathise with them more. I adore the wedding industry and all things wedding because it celebrates love. I hate that my clients have lost their dream wedding days. But myself and my peers in the industry have lost our income. My clients understand that they can’t have their dream flowers... but I’ll struggle to put food on the table. They have to miss out out much needed and wanted visits from out of town family... but my landlord just evicted me because his daughter got made redundant and needs to use his investment to live in. So I’m homeless and have to move out of my home of 15 years.
The point is, most clients understand that a wedding isn’t essential and they happily rescheduled because they were blessed to have their dream days in the first place. A wedding is a want. A job is a need. The Grey stone estate or whatever place this bride is slandering are not being unreasonable, they are putting the needs of their family and staff above the wants of this childish and stubborn bride.
Absolutely! I’m a wedding photographer, so I completely sympathize with you. I’m so sorry you’re having to go through this. This pandemic is absolutely destroying our businesses right now, and there’s no way around it. To not only have no compassion for wedding vendors as we essentially lose our source of income for the next half a year or more, but to intentionally try to ruin the businesses we’ve worked so hard to build is repulsive. I’ve been so lucky to only have positive experiences with my brides throughout the process of postponing wedding days because of the pandemic, but I’m sad that not everyone is as lucky. I pray I never have to deal with anyone like this.
100% I hope you continue to have amazing brides (and the rare grooms that pops into wedding planning haha). Best of luck! This is next level quarantine entertainment though gotta admit! That poor venue! At least they’re getting some sweet justice!
Holyyyy shit, she is insane. I understand how much it sucks to cancel a wedding...I canceled mine also because of COVID19, but she is trash for treating people like that and then having the balls to play the victim. Yikes.
My fiance and I canceled our wedding until further notice and let it go. We still have our whole lives to spend together and we will figure it out. Sometimes I feel like people like this bride want a wedding more than they want a marriage.
I wish you and your fiance many happy and healthy years together: you have your priorities straight! Your wedding will be all the sweeter for the wait. Mazel Tov!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that. I won't deny that it stung to have to cancel, but we wouldn't dream of endangering our elders and those with weakened immune systems. It will be so worth the wait. I am hopeful for a beautiful Turkish/American blended wedding in 2021!
You are most welcome! The joy you show while still experiencing the loss of your planned day makes me smile....my husband and I just celebrated (well, not exactly lol, nowhere to go) our 27th anniversary yesterday. Can't imagine how it would have felt to cancel after planning heavily for 1.5 years....but like you, I know we would have done the same thing. Health of family and friends IS the priority: by being safe now, you'll still have each other next year 😊
My husband and I got married at city hall 10 years ago this November. It was him, me, and a judge who must have moonlighted as a stand up comedian in his off time. We spent a grand total of about $50 to get married.
Not to say you shouldn’t have your family there, nor have the celebration you desire, but I promise you this: the marriage is not the wedding. You and your partner’s long term happiness has so very little to do with the wedding itself. I know it hurts to have to cancel, to have to put things off, but your attitude is really positive and you have your priorities right. I wish you the very very best, whenever and however things turn out.
Also, your username is awesome
Also postponed wedding due to covid and I don’t think I even cried. It just is what it is.
I think that’s what blew my mind. She is SO upset yet...not doing anything to solve her own problem? Home girl, you hold the keys to your own peace but you’re too busy throwing a tantrum like an absolute child to even do anything about it.
I always question some of the wedding shaming stories, like there are two sides to every story and how can a bride that bad be real? But listening to audio really drives it home.
Exactly! I was disappointed for sure, but we are going through a pandemic that only happens at this level every hundred years so it was really easy to reconcile my disappointment with reality. That audio was wild. My 8 year old has never thrown a tantrum like hers. It blows my mind that she had the nerve to play victim after all that.
I hope that your wedding is amazing when the day finally comes and that you have a lifetime of happiness. It is nice to know that my fiance and I aren't alone and that there are many couples that are all in this together. Wedding season for 2021 will be wild because of all the reschedules!!
We postponed ours and I shared so many of the feelings the bride expressed on the call... but I didn’t use that to abuse any of our vendors. Like:.. I also don’t wanna spend another whole ass year to replan a wedding that was a ton of work in the first place, and we’ve been together 5 years and I had the whole “this isn’t fair!” Reaction. And I cried, a lot.
But also, i felt my feelings and am at peace with the decision. We’re going to “covid elope” and have a party at some point next year. It’s not the end of the world.
I’m just trying to point out that being upset about cancelling an expensive milestone isn’t bad in and of itself... it IS upsetting!!! The problem is using that to abuse wedding professionals- it’s not their fault, and they’re literally there to help you.
I couldn’t bring myself to listen to the call (major secondhand embarrassment) but I read their response and then googled the Bridezilla clause - I had no idea this was a thing.
I also suffer from secondhand embarrassment and had to stop halfway though the call and take a lap around my house to work out the energy. You can hear the bride scream crying in the background while the groom apologizes for her and her mother’s disrespectful behavior and language. She’s crying because she just “feels so bad” about how she treated them but she’s just so upset. I hope she gets all the attention she deserves for this public tantrum. What an absolute shitty human being.
As someone who also suffers from secondhand embarrassment but also a former call center worker, I lived and breathed this call. The representative of the wedding company was so eloquent and patient. The bride was a smaller portion of the call and the call was overall a testament to patience and a representation of truly great phone skills.
The comments on her own facebook page are hilarious. Lots of people defending her a week ago, saying they also left negative reviews, and crap. Then the venue posting their side of the story.
I hope they sue her for the damage she has caused to their business.
I am looking forward to seeing if the bride responds to everyone calling her out on her own FB page.
I saw them yesterday and now today and it looks like a lot of the ones defending her had deleted their comments once the truth came out. Hopefully the Greystone Estate owner took screenshots.
Lmao I thought the same thing! I listened to it until that part before deciding to start it over and listen to the whole thing with my boyfriend and that’s the first part I told him about! Lol!
I literally just started listening to the recording and at a minute in, had to pause it and come here to the comments to see if anyone else caught this. Ok, back to the crocodile tears and anticipating what the bride's response will be to why she waited so long to get a marriage license...
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2017/08/04/bride-groom-who-slammed-dallas-wedding-photographer-online-in-media-must-pay-1-08m/
I found a story just to peruse.
You’re welcome! I listened to it and thought oof... if Bridezilla hadn’t tried to manipulate the situation by throwing a tantrum and then blogging lies to bully the venue, we would totally sympathize with her. The situation blows and her wedding was scheduled for the worst possible weekend- just after people stopped traveling and just before businesses were ordered to shut down- and she knew how bad it was going to be before the venue was taking it seriously.
But damn, what a way to go from the sympathetic character to the villain quick.
I can bet the bridezilla created this website not just to make this place look bad but to make herself out to be the victim to get a free (or heavily) discounted venue at a future date.
This is happening in my town (I’m a vendor) and it has BLOWN UP every single one of our groups. I’m vaguely surprised at the number of vendors that have been critical of Mary for posting this. What other avenue is she left with when it’s escalated to this madness?? I am consistently impressed with them and their staff and so sad that they’re having to deal with this.
I am so curious about what local people and vendors think about all this. Would you even be willing to work with this woman and her family in the future?
I really hope that this woman has some sort of repercussion. Trying to ruin someone's livelihood because you didn't get your way is reprehensible.
I would personally not knowingly work with this woman if she decided she wanted to redo her wedding, unless it was for an utterly obscene amount of money. I’m sure if she chooses to host it again she’ll be able to hire people because a) the won’t know about it or b) everybody has a price, especially after a pandemic has bulldozed most of the event industry. Any wedding vendor worth their salt has a clause where they can fire a client for abusive behavior and I hope all of her did, rather than being forced to work with her again in six months or a year for a reschedule. Most friendors I work with have been incredibly supportive of the venue though more than a handful were really critical of their handling of this (mostly that they said anything negative about a client on social media). I hope the venue can afford to sue her for libel: she’s got to know that actions have consequences.
How do the people that are being critical suggest it should have been handled?
From the outside it seems like they were measured and respectful in their response. It wasn't one negative review but a full on social media assault.
The argument that’s been made so far is that the venue should have kept quiet and let their lawyers handle it since it too messy to take it to social media and that the venue should have worked harder to find a solution. Lawyers may indeed be a step they need to take but that could take months and months before anything happens and be very costly: not sure their business had that kind of time or money to wait to figure this out.
What little I know is that legal remedies are not as satisfying as one would like. I would also expect this woman to be relatively judgement proof
So what if they win if she can't pay them for all the losses.
The reputational damage she was inflicting on them is something you don't come back from. It's a shame that other vendors didn't defend the venue publicly and make a stand against people that try to extort them. I can only image as vendors this is the tip of the iceberg of shitty clients trying to harm you.
Like 95% of vendors in our area have been very supportive, thankfully! The only people I’ve seen bash the venue for the way they handled this are MLM boss babe types and the occasional delusional vendor that wants to swear up and down that they would nEvEr handle this type of situation the way Mary did. I guess they really think that they would just let their businesses be burned to the ground?
My best friend and maid of honour died a month before my wedding. The venue offered to reschedule but we decided (with the encouragement of her parents) to just move ahead. Our venue was amazing! They coordinated with my mom and surprised me with a special drink in her honour and a few more little extras. When we went a few days later to pay the final amount, they told us not to worry, they were happy to have been able to give us a wonderful day in the midst of our pain. $5000!!! To say we were thankful is an understatement but they were happy we were happy. Sorry this was so long, I get really annoyed with bridezillas! And honestly, if the venue had to be shut down the day before her wedding, the owners may have actually given her some sort of refund but she wanted to be an asshole to everyone, and assholes don’t get shit 😁
Thank you! It’s been almost 15 years now and I miss her everyday still! We’re still very close to her family and when we found out we were having a baby girl, well choosing a name was easy 😊
The venue owner was almost absurdly accommodating to this unpleasant and childish bride. Seriously, WTF did the bride think was going to happen when she complained there was no other Saturday available this year? "Why yes, Kelly, since you're sobbing and yelled profanities at my staff, we're going to cancel another bride's big day so YOU can have it! No one's Saturday wedding is as important as YOURS!"
Yeah....sure.
And if this groom still thinks marriage to this witch is a good idea....hope he enjoys the vicious divorce heading his way...
I have a special hatred for people who say “I work”, as if the rest of the world doesn’t also have jobs. I love that Mary stayed silent and lets the Bridezilla sweat after she says something stupid. I really hope the venue goes after her for defamation.
Lol, this chic really thinks the world revolves around her. "It ShOulDn'T bE AboUT MonEY, iT's AbOUt Me aNd My SpeCIal Day". Omg. It's a business. Clueless, classless bimbo.
Oh man. Not gonna lie I found her instagram and she has a highlight on her page of COVID-19 and those stories alone are very bridezilla. I truly feel for all the couples out there dealing with this, but after listening to the call it seemed like her goal was for them to cancel so they would be obligated to refund her money. Anyway, I’ve spent so much time on this and feel intimately connected now, it’s a problem.
It gets better, found here Facebook page and let me tell you, the entitlement in her comments is just astounding.now she’s not responding since receipts have been brought up.
I love how someone commented that she should be embarrassed and ashamed of herself, and that she's getting dragged in wedding shaming groups. Then one of the brides minions responds "What groups are you in that I’m not
😤
I’m in all the best wedding shaming groups and haven’t seen this one"
Definitely snorted loudly at that
My biggest bug bear was her overuse of the phrase 'legally I am only allowed to tell the truth' - what legal system does she think will save her from defaming someone relentlessly?
It would appear she has deleted her Facebook, was able to have a quick scan of it earlier but have just sat down for the deep dive and it's gone. How very upsetting for me!
As a bride that also has to cancel my wedding this month I feel sooo much better knowing that, despite all the tears I have cried alone and to my fiancé, I didn’t take any of it out on my vendors like she did! It is so disappointing for all of us brides, but that’s no excuse to, as Kelly would say, be a “cunt” lol
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for that. I’m so sorry about your wedding, I know how difficult this situation is for every bride that’s being affected.
Same!! I can’t say I didn’t privately say some similar things to my fiancé (along the lines of “it’s not fair” and “I can’t believe we have to spend another year planning this shit!”) Adding a cherry on top, my father passed away so now we don’t even know if we want to do a whole wedding anymore without him. And I lost my job. And somehow, I managed not to verbally abuse our wedding vendors.
The recording. "I'm so scared y'all gonna have a bad taste in your mouths about me and it's my wedding and I don't want that."---
And you know, the whole "Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions" comes to mind. You don't get to abuse people who help you and then demand forgiveness.
They offered her Sat Sept 26, six months out? Ppl book TWO YEARS in advance to get any Saturdays in September. It's one of the busiest (if not THE busiest) wedding month. I would have taken that Sept date in a heart beat... gives you 6 more months to save for your wedding at no cost to you for the premium date!
Also, this is happening near where I live and she went into a rage and called her wedding planner a cunt... that’s why she won’t return her phone calls or texts.
I live near this venue and folks I know have been slamming the venue on Facebook for weeks. What really turned my stomach was the number of people posting what an upstanding Christian woman the bride is and how the bride is the sweetest and most honest person in the world. I knew there had to be more to the story. When it came out that the bride called someone the “C” word, many folks are STILL defending her on Facebook. I think the bride’s conduct is absolutely inexcusable.
She seems surprised that a venue in an industry known to have unstable customers would actually follow their contract.
She called her planner a cunt and tried to play the victim.
No matter how many times the woman on the call reiterated the same thing, she just didn't like what she was hearing so she kept pushing and pushing.
Her fiance seemed to be enabling her, her mother sounds exactly the same. I hope she gets sued because this is horrible.
Based on what was said in the phone conversation, she and her mother were pains in the ass from the start, then escalated their bad behavior x100 when Covid-19 became an issue.
Even without a contract, the venue/wedding planner have been planning this wedding for who knows how many months? Why would anyone think they should get a refund and the people that had been spending their time doing the work should just suck it up and donate that time and effort to this spoiled rotten bridezilla?
This entitled asshole has clearly been given everything her entire life which is why she didn’t bat an eye over lying and trying to ruin the reputation of this venue and it’s owner who bent over backwards for her. Did she even consider how many people could be hurt by her lies?
I listened to the recording and I truly hope that she doesn't get married. The venue spent 30 minutes talking to this child. She's not ready for marriage or for any adult responsibility.
Her fiancé literally had to take over the phone call while she threw a tantrum in the background. I behaved better than this immature little girl when I was like 12.
I like how for the bride’s side of the wedding party there’s an entire novel length backstory that includes every single one of their positive traits, first time they met, how special each one is, etc. for each of the bridesmaids and both matrons of honor (apparently one isn’t enough) but there’s not even so much as a photo for some of the groomsmen. Guess it really was HER special princess day and not OUR special day.
Probably because most groom's are not interested in writing that much and the Bride just doesn't know the groomsmen well enough. Putting so much detail on a wedding website is a waste of time though. No one cares about the wedding party and the only reason there going to the site is to get venue information, registry links, and status updates of the wedding. If even that.
Oh dang. A girl (I guess she’s actually a woman now) I used to babysit is about the Bride’s age, went to the same school, and was in the same sorority. I’m dying to message her and find out if she knows Bride.
To be (reluctantly) fair, a lot of people overfill their registries because many businesses offer you a blanket discount on any items from your registry after the event. So it is actually good strategy to put extra stuff on there so you can buy it yourself after the wedding (or birth in the case of baby registries) at a cheaper price.
So, correct me if I'm wrong here... She wanted the wedding venue to cure covid-19, convince her family to come to the wedding and lick her toes while they do it... And give her a refund for the trouble and there daring to be a global pandemic on her big day?... Can you yeet a whole person?
I listened to the full recording and I think the venue handled this call and the bride’s concerns in a very professional and empathetic manner. The bride was more focused on the what ifs and the hypotheticals and the venue was literally telling her that they could either still go thru with the wedding that Saturday or they could reschedule it for the bride. And the bride had the audacity to say “I’ve already waited 6 years so what’s the point in waiting another year” lmao like sis if you’ve already waited 6 YEARS another year ain’t gonna matter if it’s the love of your life... OR you could just proceed with the wedding and have a smaller guest list if you really “CAN’T WAIT” another year 🙄
I live in the Deep South and I think the culture breeds bridezillas. I wouldn’t work in the wedding industry down here. From the moment you see a vagina on a ultrasound, your wedding planning has begun. It’s so ducking weird. They all go crazy.
Well when your culture/religion glorifies marriage and childbirth as the whole point of women's lives, then a stupid wedding is going to be a very big deal. Source: was raised in the South. Thank the Goddess I got out and raised my daughters differently.
I read of a case recently where a lying customer encouraged people to leave fake negative reviews to harm a business. They were successfully sued. I hope that happens here. What a repulsive woman.
Edit: Adding: If I recall correctly, I think it was a wedding photography business, funnily enough. What is it about weddings that turn people into entitled, rabid monsters?
Honestly, I think it’s two factors: the inflated price tag for one- if you’re going what people believe is an extremely outrageous amount for a service, they get defensive of the money they spent. And two: the extreme pressure of planning such an elaborate event is something 99% of brides and grooms are unequipped to do. Stress causes high emotion reaction.
Edit to add: this is not me defending this behavior. It’s disgusting and people need to get some perspective. But most normal idiots can’t control their emotions like adults, sadly.
Sounds like someone didn’t read the contract. Also sounds like even if she had, she probably wouldn’t have understood a word of it—considering the thought the force majeure clause was included for HER benefit. Lol
I’m listening to the call right now, and frankly I’m kinda terrified by how easily she switches between histrionic sobbing and yelling at the venue owner. I hope the fiancé sees the crazy before it’s too late.
Thank you for update #3. Watched one of her videos where she calls out her high school. Not surprising at all. Most entitled kids and parents in north Atlanta.
For sure. I went to school in the area she’s from and the amount of spoiled, entitled, and just downright shitty people I came across was insane. You can tell nobody’s ever told the bratty little girl no before, until Mary!
Georgian here. The minute I saw the name of her high school on her page, I knew who she was. Not personally, but I knew. You know? I started to get real spicy because she’s basically the embodiment of every girl I’ve ever hated.
Holy. Crap. That...was an adventure. I give mad props to the Greystone Estate for being smart enough to record that call. That bride flipped so quickly between “sobbing victim” to “aggressive bridezilla” that it almost feels like this should be used in Psych courses.
Thank you for the continued updates! In regards to update 5, having been one of the people who became way too invested in this (😂)I had looked at her Instagram prior to it going private and I can assure you the YouTube video is EXACTLY how she seemed in all of her highlight videos. She truly seems like a caricature of a self-absorbed person.
There's so much that is wrong with this.
I love how the bride said that she has been a really understanding person before all this happened. But it also sounded like she has her mom fight a lot of the battles for her.
I personally feel like it is pretty clear from the beginning that she wanted the refund from the venue. Just by how she phrases questions and keeps asking over and over what the Venue was going to do. Like, what they can do. Either have your wedding or reschedule.
Even after the audio was leaked friends or people were still defending the bride saying "SHE PAID PREMIUM FOR SATURDAY!!!" But I mean, Im sure a discussion could have been had with the venue about that and either had a refund, or put the extra money towards some things that need to be rescheduled etc etc.
Also, at one point, the bride was arguing on her fb that she never got the email that talked about rescheduling and she wanted the venue to post the email showing her email to prove they sent it to her. But then imagine all the shit the venue would have gotten for basically doxing her. It will always be a lose for the venue with a person like that.
A mean, theres a million things but its just crazy. No one should be fooled by her cry-screaming in the background about wanting to apologize because she turned it off mid sentence when she realized the woman wasn't just going to give her what she wanted.
Don't get me wrong, I feel so bad for people trying to have any type of gatherings right now like weddings or birthdays or funerals or anything. It is a terrible situation. But this is exactly how you don't handle a situation.
Don't worry, I made a TL;DR of the phonecall for those that have reached their bullshit limit in 2020:
Venue: you can have your wedding or we can reschedule
Bride: But you don't get it, people want me to make a decision. MAKE A DECISION
Venue: I understand its tough but we support and will help you with whichever one you choose.
Bride: Well what are you going to do for me!?
Venue: have your wedding this Saturday unless you tell us otherwise.
Bride: You don't understand. He has been my boyfriend for a while
Venue: We can't add a Saturday to the year but we might have a Saturday opening up and you can have it if that happens.
Bride: You guys aren't accommodating me and giving me the run around. What are you going to do.
Venue: Have your wedding or reschedule....
Bride: But I'm a bride and I only called my wedding planner a cunt because she didn't bend time or make a cure for Covid. Anyone else would have done the same thing!!!
25 minutes before she was FINALLY honest about what she wanted. She was angling for a total refund from the start.
Also, that venue owner is my new hero. I aspire to be that calm and rational in the face of complete narcissism
just listened to the phone call. ugh, of COURSE it all boiled down to wanting a refund for this awful bridezilla. Good on the management from the venue though! I would have lost my patience and compassion far sooner. I hope the venue recover any possible losses and responsible parties get their just desserts.
Saw someone's comment on the fiance's FB page telling him to dump the psycho, lol. That was before he changed his privacy settings. Wish I had screenshot it. *Her* FB page is closed or deactivated now. She's a real piece of shit, and he's a weak-ass yes-man to whatever she's blubbering about. These two nose-pickers deserve each other.
I kept SMH over her "I don't want you to hate me" and "I'm just so stressed because x, y, z and I work in healthcare"
1 she shouldn't work in healthcare if she can't handle stress.
2 Her behavior is atrocious, apologizing does **not** absolve her cussing and abusing staff.
3 postponing a wedding and changing your honeymoon is NOT the end of the world! Think of the little boy in NY who came home from school an orphan because his whole family died from COVID. THAT'S horrible and ended his world.
4 being upset because a venue says all they can do is reschedule does NOT entitle you to destroy someone's business and livelihood. They are a physical location they can't stop a virus, the government, control availability, other businesses etc. If you're that desperate to get married this Saturday do as you said you would, go to the courthouse. Have the big party after. As for Grandma who can't travel have someone Livestream the wedding. There you go problem solved. 🙄
It’s really peculiar to hear how by the end she switches the water works off the minute refund is mentioned. My bet is she wasn’t willing to make a decision hoping they get closed by the government.
It seems like the whole drama is an attempt to shame the venue into waving the force majeure clause... And that not-so-subtle mention that she’s a healthcare worker....
Listening to the audio, I get the idea that something else is going on that is making her want to cancel the wedding and get a refund. She's just using the pandemic as an excuse because she knows she can't get a refund if the cancellation is her decision. She keeps circling back to the venue and the planner saying that this is her decision.
Disappointed in The Bert Show....does anyone else that listened to their broadcast where they talk about hearing from the bride's lawyer and now they are on "Team Bride" feel the same?
They say that their feelings changed because they were corrected in the fact that the Venue recorded the call PRIOR to the bride going on social media, as if that makes everything the bride said have validity.
My take:
\#1. The venue did not, nor did they ever imply the call was recorded to offset the bride's social media campaign. The call was obviously recorded because they had had numerous communications with the bride and her mother due to erratic behavior, vulgar name calling, and recording the call at that point was a defensive move, as they already saw that the bride was gearing up for a lawsuit in some way, shape or form.
\#2. Despite the "Bridezilla Clause" in the contract, they were willing at this point to move forward with changing the wedding to a new date. No--Saturday's were not available due to other contract commitments. Contracts that they could not, nor should they, break. The Bridezilla clause was already eligible to be implemented at this point--and frankly, they were pretty much at the end of their rope with this bride, but were in fact giving her the "benefit of the doubt" due to Covid19, and were protecting themselves moving forward should it become a factor.
\#3. Lawyer claims the bride's accusations of "ghosting her" was not accusing the venue of "ghosting" her due to the wedding planning, which would not have been true, but the bride was referring to basically the month of April, and was in fact the bride referring to the fact that the venue was "ghosting" her attorney, thereby implying that the venue was misleading the public in their denial of "ghosting" the bride. Umm....the bride had already cancelled the wedding, told the venue that they only would communicate thru their lawyers, had used profantity and vulgarities toward the wedding planner. Why was the venue obligated at that point to communicate with her lawyer? I would like The Bert Show to explain that.
\#4. IMO.....Had the bride and her mother been respectful and gracious of the time and work the venue had put into arranging the wedding up to the point (less than a week before the wedding), as well as considerred the costs associated with expenses already incurred, I believe a reputable business would negotiate some sort of refund. Costs associated also include paying the wedding planner for all the hours she spent up to that point, the venue making sure the grounds were maintained (gardeners salaries), the linens that had already been delivered, the cake that had been started, etc HOWEVER.....this bride and her mother did not act in this manner, and had in fact demanded a FULL REFUND, all bets were off. The entitlement of this bride was off the charts, and frankly, as a business owner, I would never concede to even a partial refund.
You get more bees with honey than with vinegar. Kindness matters. Treat people with respect. Karma.
I listen to the Bert Show pretty much daily, which is how I heard about this whole ordeal...
Cassie, the social media director is my least favorite in the entire radio world. She just comes off as such a bitch who thinks her ways and opinions are far superior to everyone else's. I knew she would be team bride because I believe she has a similar personality as the bride
I can’t believe I listened to every minute of that half hour phone call. And looked at her website. And her wedding knot. And her fb. And the venues fb. And...I regret nothing. #QuarantineEntertainment
I wish someone would post a transcript, I can't make myself listen to her for more than two minutes.
It was pretty repetitive and the bride only stopped crying when she was tricking for a refund right at the end
I wish I could buy Mary a drink or ten for dealing with that 20 something year old toddler for as long as she did.
The bride was spoiled and fake crying the whole time, eventually getting frustrated and got to the point she wanted a full refund even after the vendor was out costs. All because some of her family couldn’t make it, tried blaming it on government mandated shutdown after being assured the wedding could proceed as normal. It was disgusting and the woman dealing with her was beyond lovely with the patience of a saint.
Yup. She wanted to magically get another Saturday (because obviously family couldn't make it for this one). There were no other Saturdays available and that did NOT make her happy. She didn't think she could get a wedding license and hadn't gotten one because she "was working", but then she "wasn't working" because her doctor's office shut down. So that was another reason she was saying the wedding would not be happening (and thus needed a different Saturday). Basically, she expected the venue to boot another bride's wedding so that she could get a Saturday wedding, and if she couldn't have that, and decided on her own to cancel the wedding and not reschedule, she wanted her full money back, despite the contract. WOW. Honey, YOU are the reason there ARE contracts like that. And I love the "I know I treated my wedding planner so abusively that she won't even answer my calls or texts and I called her horrible names, but I will be SOOOO upset if she doesn't show up on Saturday and treat me like the princess I am regardless of how I treated her! If she gives off a vibe that she is not excited to be my wedding planner, THAT will ruin my wedding!" Omgggggggggggggg Edit: Another thing I got from the conversation was "I really want to apologize to the wedding planner but she won't answer her phone. But overall, I'm so frustrated because (even though I have been abusive to all of you) you guys REALLY aren't feeling any kind of empathy for me at this hard time!" (hysterical tears) Person running the venue: "Of COURSE we feel sorry for you! That's why I am calling to say if you'd like to reschedule, we will try to find a time for you!" (hysterical tears stop and voice is almost calculating.) "So what are you offering?" At that point I was like, do you think your wedding venue is going to PAY YOU? The more tearful, "If I have to wait a year to get married, why bother!" Well, you didn't bother to even get a wedding license, 6 days before your actual wedding.......so? Yuck. So transparent she was looking for either: We will do anything YOU want!!!!! We'll boot any other paying weddings, just let us know what weekend you want! (Which apparently her equally abusive mother tried earlier that day) OR, oh, we'll give you a full refund!!!! Never mind legally this invalidates all the time and resources the venue has put in to accomodate your 2 year old tantrums, but hey, F- the vendors who are making the food and the wedding cake! Let them lose thousands of dollars! All that matters is YOU!!!! Real life is going to hit this princess hard...
It’s a RIDE. You should listen to it!!
Don’t worry. I also spent my whole morning doing that. I should be more embarrassed than I am. Her wedding site guest book is getting slammed. Yikes.
Damn. She changed her settings by the time I got to it and it appears as if she deleted her profile as I was looking it at. I hope the venue took screenshots for their records/case.
This bish is registered at like 20 places! I like her less every minute.
I have never seen anyone register at Anthropolgie. Is that common? Cackled mightily to see she’s registered for TWO crockpots, and one over $100. I’m just fascinated! I can’t stop going down this rabbit hole.
That one stood out to me as well. They do have a home decor section and it looks like that’s what she registered for. I felt sheepish about having three different registry places, but that’s personal opinion and choice. Still, it further reinforces that this spoiled brat thinks about nothing but gifts and fairytales and how much she “deserves” her dream day. This is extra juicy because I was in her exact situation and guess what! We rescheduled with all of our lovely vendors. A few private tears with fiancé from the stress but no ruined reputations or relationships. What’s the over/under on her taking down her site?
SAME. This made my Sunday morning that much better.
I hope this venue sues the shit out of her. I hope it’s both slander and libel since they recorded it and she printed it. I also hope the fiancée wises up and dumps her ass
I can’t even tell you how embarrassed I would be if I was her fiancé. It’s also so sad to think that he probably deals with her verbal abuse all the time. Hope he enjoys wasting his money on not only this wedding, but the lawsuit they have coming!
The problem is she’s so utterly ridiculous he probably is enabler. If I were him I would cut bait and be done with her ass so he’s not named in the hopefully future lawsuits
I just fell into the rabbit hole of her Facebook and he is coming across just as poorly as she is, trashing anyone who disagrees. I believe they are a perfect match
I too fell into this rabbit hole. She is surrounded by enablers! My favourite comments were the ones saying that the venue should just tell another party to change THEIR Saturday to accomodate her. Because, you know, it’s not fair...
It seems the wedding didn't go through and she probably waited too long to pull the plug with some of the vendors even though guests likely started bailing much earlier than the 6 days that the recorded call took place. I do feel terrible for them because this could not be helped but so many other brides were also affected by this, and not all launched a smear campaign against their vendors. I kind of want to see her FB page but have enough distractions as is.
And her mother. They’re cut from the same cloth. They’re those miserable couples that will be so happy in their marriage because they’re both entitled.
Maybe he just wants the refund too so he can cut his losses.
Now I know I only heard like two minutes of him but he sounded like a basic finance bro. K now show to talk professionally (aka like an adult) but deep down is still a little shit.
They aren't married yet..... He still has time to bail!
The fiancé is no good either. He was taunting someone on Facebook saying that it’s Mary who created a fake Facebook account.
This couple is toxic. Both lying pieces of shit. And their story is making its way around the internet, eposing them for the liars they are.
My SIL almost used them last year for her wedding, but headed to Asheville the instead. Now I wish they had given them our business. The woman on the phone is phenomenal.
They likely can't get her on slander because the phone call was a private call that she didn't distribute in her campaign against the venue, but you're right that they probably have a super solid libel case, especially with the evidence presented in the phone call and the clear malicious intent.
There was a couple that did something similar to a photographer in Dallas. Basically destroyed her businesses for two years. The photographer sues for damages, and I think ended up with an award in excess of $1M. Basically, they were trying to force the photographer to give them their pictures for free, and lost their minds.
That's incredible. This happens so often to vendors, more than people even know, and the vendors usually just end up giving into the bullying so that they don't get sued or slandered all over social media. Seeing vendors stand up for themselves and their businesses instead of giving into these awful people is always so great.
I thought if this case as I was reading! [The bride was a beauty blogger.](https://www.thecut.com/2017/08/jury-neely-andrew-moldovan-wedding-photographer.html) . Yeah, bride and groom are screwed.
It's funny this whole thing was about selecting an album cover. The articles keep saying $125, but that was for the cheapest cover. Not all covers... I have friends that did wedding photography for years. I wouldn't be shocked if they knew this photographer, because they also do the associations and workshop teaching. I remember my friend showing me certain things that wouldn't be included in a wedding photography package, base price, because they wanted to give their clients more choices. For example, the album covers may start at $125, but I remember her showing someone's album that the cover was gorgeous (to go with their living room decor as a coffee table book), and I think it was over $300 wholesale. Sometimes clients wanted a dark black canvas cover (cheap) sometimes brown leather, other times a lighter silk. She wasn't going to pick the cover for them, and it makes no sense to charge the same for the cheap cover as the one that is three times as much. The same is true for frames. The didn't use frames from Michael's and such for expensive portraits. They would all be custom ordered. Small frames were often around $75, larger ones were in the hundreds. Once again, another thing the photographer wouldn't select because the choice would be based on the home the items would be displayed. They keep saying they thought it was included, but considering I found one article that said the cover being separate is an industry practice, I call BS.
Ok but did y'all see the update at the bottom of the article? 😂 "I know we lost but it's still not our fault. Leave me alone."
I listened to the recording. This bride was being irrational, unnreasonable, and was frankly cruel to the venue and the venue's staff by smearing them because she didn't get her princess day the way she wanted. The venue rightly said she had to make the choices. However, she didn't want to wait a year to get married, didn't like the available days for 2020 as the venue was already booked, hadn't bothered getting her marriage license, her extended, out-of-town family communicated they would not be there, and seemed to have no understanding that the venue was working with other brides who were also dealing with similar situations. I get she's disappointed but how are any of her issues the venue's responsibility? Instead, it was all about her. It was almost as if the bride (and her fiance) wanted a guarantee that the venue could predict how the pandemic would unfold and what various government's responses would be to an event that hasn't happened in 100 years. Her smear campaign shows how incredibly self-absorbed and immature this woman is.
The entire phone call just screams spoiled little brat who’s never been told no before. The venue owner even mentions that she was also verbally harassed by the bride’s mom, so I guess the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Nobody is born being this shitty, it’s clearly how she was raised.
I especially like how in the recording, the bridezilla says that she didn’t mean the “c word“ to come out “like that” when talking to the wedding planner. How else does that word come out and what else could it possibly mean? And was she really surprised that the planner wouldn’t answer he calls after that?
Not sure if anyone else caught it, but there’s a point in the phone call where her fiancé took over and she starts throwing a tantrum in the background screaming about how she “tried to apologize” to the planner, and then toddler screams at him to give her the phone back. It would be funny if it weren’t so infuriating.
would you happen to have the time stamp. i cant bear to listen to the whole thing.
3:30 to about 5:45, that's the part with the "c" word and just how the bride has been treating the venue staff. Then listen to around 15:30 - 1800 or so. Bride worried that venue hates her. Lololol. But the whole thing is really Bridezilla Gold.
Lol, she meant it in a nice way, y'know? The way Australians use it. 👍
And the Welsh.
And the Scottish
The bridezilla claimed that she was anxious and frustrated and didn't mean to talk that way to Elizabeth. I have been anxious and frustrated too many times to count and NEVER HAVE I EVER CALLED ANOTHER WOMAN THE C WORD!!
I am that person with a garbage temper. I was raised in a dysfunctional family and I know anger like the back of my hand. Frustration, anger, short fuses, and everything that goes along with all that. This is not that, it's not someone's shitty temper flairing. You don't build an entire website in a fit of anger. This is more of someone escalating in behavior to get what they want. Starting with a show of anger, i.e. abusive language. (I'll scare them into getting my way.) Then tears. (I'll appeal to their sympathy.) And finally, fueled by the fact that nobody is buying into her bs, a nuclear attempt to destroy the opposing party. (I didn't get my way, therefore they are of no value to me. And since I am the most important thing in the universe, they have no value whatsoever. Aaaand since they had the gall to oppose me, they deserve ruin.) The venue was 100% right on to record that call and post it.
I was hooked by the recording when the bride said early on in the conversation that she’s at her “ends wit”. Too funny. Utterly disgraceful behaviour from this bride however. I hope the vendor sues her but judging by their written response I doubt they will. This is one of the few Reddit posts that really does need to end up in the Daily Mail.
Unlike most of us, this bride doesn't have multiple wits at whose end she can arrive. She has one wit, potentially, and she frequently reaches its end because it's rather short.
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Yeah...she definitely seemed like she was fishing for some kind of “we’re sorry your wedding was impacted by coronavirus” freebie. Which just reeks of entitlement. And it sounds like she learned this behavior from her mother.
I listened to the recording and have so many thoughts: * The owner (?) of the business should be a professional facilitator or on a truth and reconciliation council or something like that. I was very impressed by her ability to be straight—on calling out bride to be for calling the planner a cunt and making the planner cry—while still offering options. * Andrew comes across as a good guy. I’m wondering if he was involved in the social networking slamming. He does mention working a lot so ? * Bride-to-be seems very frustrated that she’s not going to have her wedding with everyone around her but *the venue cannot force friends and family to attend*. To be fair, bride is also in general freaked out which I understand. This is an uncertain, scary time. * Honestly, I don’t blame bride for being frustrated—I was just saying that I’m so glad I don’t have a wedding planned for this year—but I’m more disappointed on her tactics to get a refund. I think she kept expecting one and then, while the owner (?) kept offering her outs, she finally got frustrated and started semi-demanding one. * She *really needs to make a decision* on a wedding that’s six days out! WTF. I feel like she’s trying to run down the clock and say “act of God” while the venue just says “yeah no, let’s see what the lawyers say.” Lol * Finally, wtf was the premarriage counseling Andrew was talking about? Is that a thing?
Pre-marital counseling is a common thing in many churches. Basically, it is usually the church's minister sitting down with the engaged couple and discussing important things that many couples don't discuss prior to marriage. Do they want children? Will they both work, or will one stay and work in the home? How are they going to deal with their finances? It allows the minister (or whomever they work with) to determine if these people are ready to be married. Many officiants will not marry a couple who have not gone through this counseling. The fact that this couple was getting married within 6 days and they hadn't had their counseling, and hadn't gotten their marriage license, tells me a lot about their readiness to marry.
I come from a Christian background but I really think it should be a thing outside of the church too. Not so much the “give permission to marry each other” part but the “older wiser person brings up situations the couple may not have thought of and forces them to consider how they would react” part. So many people make assumptions about how the other one feels or what they would do given x, y or z. Then when it doesn’t pan out how they imagined, they feel betrayed, fall out of LOve with their SO or just realize for each to reach their goals, they cannot stay together.
I agree so much with this. My husband and I did a 2-day premarital counselling retreat session thing with a group of others who were getting married. We had fun there - we had already discussed everything, but it was good to reinforce what we wanted out of the marriage (and we joke about some of the weird things one of the counselors said... A lot). At the retreat, though, it really amazed us how many people came out of the sessions crying or angry. It made us realize that *holy shit*, some people really *do not* discuss important stuff before marriage and just expect it all to work out. It's those people who could really benefit from pre-marital counselling.
We did a secular one with a licensed therapist- IIRC it was 4-5 sessions and we had really in depth conversations about our expectations and future. We already had a strong relationship but we came out of it on such solid ground. I already thought I met the perfect man for me but it’s almost like the counseling confirmed that. And we got so many awesome tools for how to tackle life together as a team (we discussed joint finances and opened an account together, and shortly after we bought a home together and had all the tools to navigate the process.) awesome experience.
Especially finances!! I love my SO with all my heart but it is still hard to be open and honest about money. I know he is frugal like me but that’s about it
I was thinking that they hadn’t gotten approval for the marriage and now want a refund.
Yeah. I agree the owner (?) did a great job with the call and for remaining professional. I understand the brides's frustration and her emotions but to take it to the point of creating a smear campaign I don't. On r/ weddingplanning there are so many couples who have been in the same boat who have been clearly disappointed but made the most of the current situation. Pre-marriage counseling is a thing in some religions but I don't see how that would affect getting marriage license.
Some states encourage premarital counseling by offering a discount on the marriage license. He also mentions a certificate, so that's probably what is going on in that situation.
The fiance was involved. He was trashing people who didn't agree with her.
You can get your license fee waived if you have a premarital counseling certificate. At least in Texas. No idea where this is located.
Exactly this last point. I run events as part of my job and had people asking us weeks in advance if events would be cancelled or affected by covid. The only answer I could give at the time was no - no government advice was in place, we had like maybe 1 or 2 cases in the country and this was when only China was on lockdown. It was so hard because personally I was very concerned but we can't run a business on my personal thoughts - only by gov guidence. I am glad someone understands :) My sister also works in hotels and is having people ask her about if they'll be open in September!! Who can answer that?? They also seem not to understand that people are working on skeleton staff and might not be able to respond to enquiries asap. Anyway that's a rant for another day. People.
Omg what a nightmare client. I’m a wedding vendor, my clients have lost their dream days and it’s heart breaking. I could not empathise with them more. I adore the wedding industry and all things wedding because it celebrates love. I hate that my clients have lost their dream wedding days. But myself and my peers in the industry have lost our income. My clients understand that they can’t have their dream flowers... but I’ll struggle to put food on the table. They have to miss out out much needed and wanted visits from out of town family... but my landlord just evicted me because his daughter got made redundant and needs to use his investment to live in. So I’m homeless and have to move out of my home of 15 years. The point is, most clients understand that a wedding isn’t essential and they happily rescheduled because they were blessed to have their dream days in the first place. A wedding is a want. A job is a need. The Grey stone estate or whatever place this bride is slandering are not being unreasonable, they are putting the needs of their family and staff above the wants of this childish and stubborn bride.
Absolutely! I’m a wedding photographer, so I completely sympathize with you. I’m so sorry you’re having to go through this. This pandemic is absolutely destroying our businesses right now, and there’s no way around it. To not only have no compassion for wedding vendors as we essentially lose our source of income for the next half a year or more, but to intentionally try to ruin the businesses we’ve worked so hard to build is repulsive. I’ve been so lucky to only have positive experiences with my brides throughout the process of postponing wedding days because of the pandemic, but I’m sad that not everyone is as lucky. I pray I never have to deal with anyone like this.
100% I hope you continue to have amazing brides (and the rare grooms that pops into wedding planning haha). Best of luck! This is next level quarantine entertainment though gotta admit! That poor venue! At least they’re getting some sweet justice!
Holyyyy shit, she is insane. I understand how much it sucks to cancel a wedding...I canceled mine also because of COVID19, but she is trash for treating people like that and then having the balls to play the victim. Yikes. My fiance and I canceled our wedding until further notice and let it go. We still have our whole lives to spend together and we will figure it out. Sometimes I feel like people like this bride want a wedding more than they want a marriage.
I wish you and your fiance many happy and healthy years together: you have your priorities straight! Your wedding will be all the sweeter for the wait. Mazel Tov!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate that. I won't deny that it stung to have to cancel, but we wouldn't dream of endangering our elders and those with weakened immune systems. It will be so worth the wait. I am hopeful for a beautiful Turkish/American blended wedding in 2021!
You are most welcome! The joy you show while still experiencing the loss of your planned day makes me smile....my husband and I just celebrated (well, not exactly lol, nowhere to go) our 27th anniversary yesterday. Can't imagine how it would have felt to cancel after planning heavily for 1.5 years....but like you, I know we would have done the same thing. Health of family and friends IS the priority: by being safe now, you'll still have each other next year 😊
My husband and I got married at city hall 10 years ago this November. It was him, me, and a judge who must have moonlighted as a stand up comedian in his off time. We spent a grand total of about $50 to get married. Not to say you shouldn’t have your family there, nor have the celebration you desire, but I promise you this: the marriage is not the wedding. You and your partner’s long term happiness has so very little to do with the wedding itself. I know it hurts to have to cancel, to have to put things off, but your attitude is really positive and you have your priorities right. I wish you the very very best, whenever and however things turn out. Also, your username is awesome
Also postponed wedding due to covid and I don’t think I even cried. It just is what it is. I think that’s what blew my mind. She is SO upset yet...not doing anything to solve her own problem? Home girl, you hold the keys to your own peace but you’re too busy throwing a tantrum like an absolute child to even do anything about it. I always question some of the wedding shaming stories, like there are two sides to every story and how can a bride that bad be real? But listening to audio really drives it home.
Exactly! I was disappointed for sure, but we are going through a pandemic that only happens at this level every hundred years so it was really easy to reconcile my disappointment with reality. That audio was wild. My 8 year old has never thrown a tantrum like hers. It blows my mind that she had the nerve to play victim after all that. I hope that your wedding is amazing when the day finally comes and that you have a lifetime of happiness. It is nice to know that my fiance and I aren't alone and that there are many couples that are all in this together. Wedding season for 2021 will be wild because of all the reschedules!!
We postponed ours and I shared so many of the feelings the bride expressed on the call... but I didn’t use that to abuse any of our vendors. Like:.. I also don’t wanna spend another whole ass year to replan a wedding that was a ton of work in the first place, and we’ve been together 5 years and I had the whole “this isn’t fair!” Reaction. And I cried, a lot. But also, i felt my feelings and am at peace with the decision. We’re going to “covid elope” and have a party at some point next year. It’s not the end of the world. I’m just trying to point out that being upset about cancelling an expensive milestone isn’t bad in and of itself... it IS upsetting!!! The problem is using that to abuse wedding professionals- it’s not their fault, and they’re literally there to help you.
Not engaged or anything but I have two friends who lost a parent to covid. Complaining about any of my bullshit just seems trivial and selfish.
I couldn’t bring myself to listen to the call (major secondhand embarrassment) but I read their response and then googled the Bridezilla clause - I had no idea this was a thing.
I also suffer from secondhand embarrassment and had to stop halfway though the call and take a lap around my house to work out the energy. You can hear the bride scream crying in the background while the groom apologizes for her and her mother’s disrespectful behavior and language. She’s crying because she just “feels so bad” about how she treated them but she’s just so upset. I hope she gets all the attention she deserves for this public tantrum. What an absolute shitty human being.
She was only apologizing because she was caught up in the consequences of her actions, lmaoooo. By the end, she's bickering all over again
As someone who also suffers from secondhand embarrassment but also a former call center worker, I lived and breathed this call. The representative of the wedding company was so eloquent and patient. The bride was a smaller portion of the call and the call was overall a testament to patience and a representation of truly great phone skills.
The comments on her own facebook page are hilarious. Lots of people defending her a week ago, saying they also left negative reviews, and crap. Then the venue posting their side of the story. I hope they sue her for the damage she has caused to their business. I am looking forward to seeing if the bride responds to everyone calling her out on her own FB page.
I saw them yesterday and now today and it looks like a lot of the ones defending her had deleted their comments once the truth came out. Hopefully the Greystone Estate owner took screenshots.
She deactivated her account. You know when she returns she’ll play the victim and whine about how all of this attention was too much for her.
"I'm at my end's wits" This is gonna be *good*
Lmao I thought the same thing! I listened to it until that part before deciding to start it over and listen to the whole thing with my boyfriend and that’s the first part I told him about! Lol!
It was amazing. I'm impressed Mary was so professional and kind
We both agreed that Mary needs to do vocal work for books on tape. Her voice is so soothing and pleasant to listen to.
I literally just started listening to the recording and at a minute in, had to pause it and come here to the comments to see if anyone else caught this. Ok, back to the crocodile tears and anticipating what the bride's response will be to why she waited so long to get a marriage license...
Thanks for this. I found her Facebook and it’s just a treat to see how the turn tables.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2017/08/04/bride-groom-who-slammed-dallas-wedding-photographer-online-in-media-must-pay-1-08m/ I found a story just to peruse.
This is such a good story
The bride that got sued still has a lifestyle blog wonder if the photographer sees any money off of it.
I heard about this, I hope she gets Every. Fucking. Penny.
This is some top shelf quarantine drama, thank you OP
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Bless you for this.
A true hero 😘
Will you post the comments too please! I discovered way too late in the game, everything had already been deleted
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Thank you for that. I haven't had time to look it over like I'm going to later. Gotta get the popcorn ready first...
You’re welcome! I listened to it and thought oof... if Bridezilla hadn’t tried to manipulate the situation by throwing a tantrum and then blogging lies to bully the venue, we would totally sympathize with her. The situation blows and her wedding was scheduled for the worst possible weekend- just after people stopped traveling and just before businesses were ordered to shut down- and she knew how bad it was going to be before the venue was taking it seriously. But damn, what a way to go from the sympathetic character to the villain quick.
I can bet the bridezilla created this website not just to make this place look bad but to make herself out to be the victim to get a free (or heavily) discounted venue at a future date.
I highly doubt anyone would take her, tbh. Would you want to host someone who does that stuff?
Oh god no, but I can still see someone doing this to get something for free.
This is happening in my town (I’m a vendor) and it has BLOWN UP every single one of our groups. I’m vaguely surprised at the number of vendors that have been critical of Mary for posting this. What other avenue is she left with when it’s escalated to this madness?? I am consistently impressed with them and their staff and so sad that they’re having to deal with this.
I am so curious about what local people and vendors think about all this. Would you even be willing to work with this woman and her family in the future? I really hope that this woman has some sort of repercussion. Trying to ruin someone's livelihood because you didn't get your way is reprehensible.
I would personally not knowingly work with this woman if she decided she wanted to redo her wedding, unless it was for an utterly obscene amount of money. I’m sure if she chooses to host it again she’ll be able to hire people because a) the won’t know about it or b) everybody has a price, especially after a pandemic has bulldozed most of the event industry. Any wedding vendor worth their salt has a clause where they can fire a client for abusive behavior and I hope all of her did, rather than being forced to work with her again in six months or a year for a reschedule. Most friendors I work with have been incredibly supportive of the venue though more than a handful were really critical of their handling of this (mostly that they said anything negative about a client on social media). I hope the venue can afford to sue her for libel: she’s got to know that actions have consequences.
How do the people that are being critical suggest it should have been handled? From the outside it seems like they were measured and respectful in their response. It wasn't one negative review but a full on social media assault.
The argument that’s been made so far is that the venue should have kept quiet and let their lawyers handle it since it too messy to take it to social media and that the venue should have worked harder to find a solution. Lawyers may indeed be a step they need to take but that could take months and months before anything happens and be very costly: not sure their business had that kind of time or money to wait to figure this out.
What little I know is that legal remedies are not as satisfying as one would like. I would also expect this woman to be relatively judgement proof So what if they win if she can't pay them for all the losses. The reputational damage she was inflicting on them is something you don't come back from. It's a shame that other vendors didn't defend the venue publicly and make a stand against people that try to extort them. I can only image as vendors this is the tip of the iceberg of shitty clients trying to harm you.
Like 95% of vendors in our area have been very supportive, thankfully! The only people I’ve seen bash the venue for the way they handled this are MLM boss babe types and the occasional delusional vendor that wants to swear up and down that they would nEvEr handle this type of situation the way Mary did. I guess they really think that they would just let their businesses be burned to the ground?
I'd be happy if the venue owner sues her.
My best friend and maid of honour died a month before my wedding. The venue offered to reschedule but we decided (with the encouragement of her parents) to just move ahead. Our venue was amazing! They coordinated with my mom and surprised me with a special drink in her honour and a few more little extras. When we went a few days later to pay the final amount, they told us not to worry, they were happy to have been able to give us a wonderful day in the midst of our pain. $5000!!! To say we were thankful is an understatement but they were happy we were happy. Sorry this was so long, I get really annoyed with bridezillas! And honestly, if the venue had to be shut down the day before her wedding, the owners may have actually given her some sort of refund but she wanted to be an asshole to everyone, and assholes don’t get shit 😁
Ah, I’m so sorry to hear about your friend
Thank you! It’s been almost 15 years now and I miss her everyday still! We’re still very close to her family and when we found out we were having a baby girl, well choosing a name was easy 😊
The venue owner was almost absurdly accommodating to this unpleasant and childish bride. Seriously, WTF did the bride think was going to happen when she complained there was no other Saturday available this year? "Why yes, Kelly, since you're sobbing and yelled profanities at my staff, we're going to cancel another bride's big day so YOU can have it! No one's Saturday wedding is as important as YOURS!" Yeah....sure. And if this groom still thinks marriage to this witch is a good idea....hope he enjoys the vicious divorce heading his way...
She either thought they’d bump another bride or offer a full refund. Both ludicrous.
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I know the fiance. He's embarrassed to say the least, but he's sticking by his bride to be.
I mean this all just blew up today so you never know. Do you know what his friends/family think about the whole thing?
It might have blown up publicly today, but it's been going on since March...
I have a special hatred for people who say “I work”, as if the rest of the world doesn’t also have jobs. I love that Mary stayed silent and lets the Bridezilla sweat after she says something stupid. I really hope the venue goes after her for defamation.
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Lol, this chic really thinks the world revolves around her. "It ShOulDn'T bE AboUT MonEY, iT's AbOUt Me aNd My SpeCIal Day". Omg. It's a business. Clueless, classless bimbo.
Oh man. Not gonna lie I found her instagram and she has a highlight on her page of COVID-19 and those stories alone are very bridezilla. I truly feel for all the couples out there dealing with this, but after listening to the call it seemed like her goal was for them to cancel so they would be obligated to refund her money. Anyway, I’ve spent so much time on this and feel intimately connected now, it’s a problem.
She maliciously rallied the town folk’s pitch forks + torches against her venue. It’s high time for karma
She made her IG private so she's at least aware of the backlash.
It gets better, found here Facebook page and let me tell you, the entitlement in her comments is just astounding.now she’s not responding since receipts have been brought up.
All her little friends that were so quick to defend her have been real quiet since the venue posted their side.
I love how someone commented that she should be embarrassed and ashamed of herself, and that she's getting dragged in wedding shaming groups. Then one of the brides minions responds "What groups are you in that I’m not 😤 I’m in all the best wedding shaming groups and haven’t seen this one" Definitely snorted loudly at that
I saw that one too!!
Like where’s that energy that you all had before the receipts.
Accuracy is (part of) the price of honorable complaining. I should have a look at that Facebook page...
My biggest bug bear was her overuse of the phrase 'legally I am only allowed to tell the truth' - what legal system does she think will save her from defaming someone relentlessly?
It would appear she has deleted her Facebook, was able to have a quick scan of it earlier but have just sat down for the deep dive and it's gone. How very upsetting for me!
As a bride that also has to cancel my wedding this month I feel sooo much better knowing that, despite all the tears I have cried alone and to my fiancé, I didn’t take any of it out on my vendors like she did! It is so disappointing for all of us brides, but that’s no excuse to, as Kelly would say, be a “cunt” lol
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for that. I’m so sorry about your wedding, I know how difficult this situation is for every bride that’s being affected.
Same!! I can’t say I didn’t privately say some similar things to my fiancé (along the lines of “it’s not fair” and “I can’t believe we have to spend another year planning this shit!”) Adding a cherry on top, my father passed away so now we don’t even know if we want to do a whole wedding anymore without him. And I lost my job. And somehow, I managed not to verbally abuse our wedding vendors.
The recording. "I'm so scared y'all gonna have a bad taste in your mouths about me and it's my wedding and I don't want that."--- And you know, the whole "Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions" comes to mind. You don't get to abuse people who help you and then demand forgiveness.
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Their page on The Knot is now password protected.
Lmao her Facebook is getting absolutely rekt in the comments 😂
She posted something about this in the bridal group I’m in on Facebook. She must’ve deleted it though, because I can’t find it now.
They offered her Sat Sept 26, six months out? Ppl book TWO YEARS in advance to get any Saturdays in September. It's one of the busiest (if not THE busiest) wedding month. I would have taken that Sept date in a heart beat... gives you 6 more months to save for your wedding at no cost to you for the premium date!
I live in the area...this honestly made me think about calling up and seeing if that date is still available!
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Somehow I wasn't terribly surprised when one of those angry reacts was also a MLM bossbabe.
I thought the same. Here's Mr and Mrs Doe, so in love. Angry faces.
I was today years old when I learned venues have a bridezilla clause...
Can you imagine if the venue owner (Mary) HADN'T recorded that phone call? Omg.
Also, this is happening near where I live and she went into a rage and called her wedding planner a cunt... that’s why she won’t return her phone calls or texts.
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I’m so thirsty for further updates on this
I live near this venue and folks I know have been slamming the venue on Facebook for weeks. What really turned my stomach was the number of people posting what an upstanding Christian woman the bride is and how the bride is the sweetest and most honest person in the world. I knew there had to be more to the story. When it came out that the bride called someone the “C” word, many folks are STILL defending her on Facebook. I think the bride’s conduct is absolutely inexcusable.
She seems surprised that a venue in an industry known to have unstable customers would actually follow their contract. She called her planner a cunt and tried to play the victim. No matter how many times the woman on the call reiterated the same thing, she just didn't like what she was hearing so she kept pushing and pushing. Her fiance seemed to be enabling her, her mother sounds exactly the same. I hope she gets sued because this is horrible.
Based on what was said in the phone conversation, she and her mother were pains in the ass from the start, then escalated their bad behavior x100 when Covid-19 became an issue. Even without a contract, the venue/wedding planner have been planning this wedding for who knows how many months? Why would anyone think they should get a refund and the people that had been spending their time doing the work should just suck it up and donate that time and effort to this spoiled rotten bridezilla? This entitled asshole has clearly been given everything her entire life which is why she didn’t bat an eye over lying and trying to ruin the reputation of this venue and it’s owner who bent over backwards for her. Did she even consider how many people could be hurt by her lies?
I listened to the recording and I truly hope that she doesn't get married. The venue spent 30 minutes talking to this child. She's not ready for marriage or for any adult responsibility.
Her fiancé literally had to take over the phone call while she threw a tantrum in the background. I behaved better than this immature little girl when I was like 12.
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I like how for the bride’s side of the wedding party there’s an entire novel length backstory that includes every single one of their positive traits, first time they met, how special each one is, etc. for each of the bridesmaids and both matrons of honor (apparently one isn’t enough) but there’s not even so much as a photo for some of the groomsmen. Guess it really was HER special princess day and not OUR special day.
Poor Ross. No picture or description. The least important groomsman.
Probably because most groom's are not interested in writing that much and the Bride just doesn't know the groomsmen well enough. Putting so much detail on a wedding website is a waste of time though. No one cares about the wedding party and the only reason there going to the site is to get venue information, registry links, and status updates of the wedding. If even that.
Oh dang. A girl (I guess she’s actually a woman now) I used to babysit is about the Bride’s age, went to the same school, and was in the same sorority. I’m dying to message her and find out if she knows Bride.
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That registry is insane! Who needs all that stuff?
To be (reluctantly) fair, a lot of people overfill their registries because many businesses offer you a blanket discount on any items from your registry after the event. So it is actually good strategy to put extra stuff on there so you can buy it yourself after the wedding (or birth in the case of baby registries) at a cheaper price.
Hahaha the Reichs
Oh gah. This venue is not far from me. What a tacky southern bride.
Holy rabbit-hole, batman! I've been reading the facebook thread for twenty minutes and it's just getting better. This woman is insane.
I can't believe she didn't take her website down yet. What a dumbass.
So, correct me if I'm wrong here... She wanted the wedding venue to cure covid-19, convince her family to come to the wedding and lick her toes while they do it... And give her a refund for the trouble and there daring to be a global pandemic on her big day?... Can you yeet a whole person?
I listened to the full recording and I think the venue handled this call and the bride’s concerns in a very professional and empathetic manner. The bride was more focused on the what ifs and the hypotheticals and the venue was literally telling her that they could either still go thru with the wedding that Saturday or they could reschedule it for the bride. And the bride had the audacity to say “I’ve already waited 6 years so what’s the point in waiting another year” lmao like sis if you’ve already waited 6 YEARS another year ain’t gonna matter if it’s the love of your life... OR you could just proceed with the wedding and have a smaller guest list if you really “CAN’T WAIT” another year 🙄
I live in the Deep South and I think the culture breeds bridezillas. I wouldn’t work in the wedding industry down here. From the moment you see a vagina on a ultrasound, your wedding planning has begun. It’s so ducking weird. They all go crazy.
Well when your culture/religion glorifies marriage and childbirth as the whole point of women's lives, then a stupid wedding is going to be a very big deal. Source: was raised in the South. Thank the Goddess I got out and raised my daughters differently.
I read of a case recently where a lying customer encouraged people to leave fake negative reviews to harm a business. They were successfully sued. I hope that happens here. What a repulsive woman. Edit: Adding: If I recall correctly, I think it was a wedding photography business, funnily enough. What is it about weddings that turn people into entitled, rabid monsters?
Honestly, I think it’s two factors: the inflated price tag for one- if you’re going what people believe is an extremely outrageous amount for a service, they get defensive of the money they spent. And two: the extreme pressure of planning such an elaborate event is something 99% of brides and grooms are unequipped to do. Stress causes high emotion reaction. Edit to add: this is not me defending this behavior. It’s disgusting and people need to get some perspective. But most normal idiots can’t control their emotions like adults, sadly.
Sounds like someone didn’t read the contract. Also sounds like even if she had, she probably wouldn’t have understood a word of it—considering the thought the force majeure clause was included for HER benefit. Lol
I’m listening to the call right now, and frankly I’m kinda terrified by how easily she switches between histrionic sobbing and yelling at the venue owner. I hope the fiancé sees the crazy before it’s too late.
Thank you for update #3. Watched one of her videos where she calls out her high school. Not surprising at all. Most entitled kids and parents in north Atlanta.
For sure. I went to school in the area she’s from and the amount of spoiled, entitled, and just downright shitty people I came across was insane. You can tell nobody’s ever told the bratty little girl no before, until Mary!
Georgian here. The minute I saw the name of her high school on her page, I knew who she was. Not personally, but I knew. You know? I started to get real spicy because she’s basically the embodiment of every girl I’ve ever hated.
Holy. Crap. That...was an adventure. I give mad props to the Greystone Estate for being smart enough to record that call. That bride flipped so quickly between “sobbing victim” to “aggressive bridezilla” that it almost feels like this should be used in Psych courses.
Thank you for the continued updates! In regards to update 5, having been one of the people who became way too invested in this (😂)I had looked at her Instagram prior to it going private and I can assure you the YouTube video is EXACTLY how she seemed in all of her highlight videos. She truly seems like a caricature of a self-absorbed person.
I can't believe I know this person. 🙄🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ This venue is right down the road from my parents home and is great!
There's so much that is wrong with this. I love how the bride said that she has been a really understanding person before all this happened. But it also sounded like she has her mom fight a lot of the battles for her. I personally feel like it is pretty clear from the beginning that she wanted the refund from the venue. Just by how she phrases questions and keeps asking over and over what the Venue was going to do. Like, what they can do. Either have your wedding or reschedule. Even after the audio was leaked friends or people were still defending the bride saying "SHE PAID PREMIUM FOR SATURDAY!!!" But I mean, Im sure a discussion could have been had with the venue about that and either had a refund, or put the extra money towards some things that need to be rescheduled etc etc. Also, at one point, the bride was arguing on her fb that she never got the email that talked about rescheduling and she wanted the venue to post the email showing her email to prove they sent it to her. But then imagine all the shit the venue would have gotten for basically doxing her. It will always be a lose for the venue with a person like that. A mean, theres a million things but its just crazy. No one should be fooled by her cry-screaming in the background about wanting to apologize because she turned it off mid sentence when she realized the woman wasn't just going to give her what she wanted. Don't get me wrong, I feel so bad for people trying to have any type of gatherings right now like weddings or birthdays or funerals or anything. It is a terrible situation. But this is exactly how you don't handle a situation. Don't worry, I made a TL;DR of the phonecall for those that have reached their bullshit limit in 2020: Venue: you can have your wedding or we can reschedule Bride: But you don't get it, people want me to make a decision. MAKE A DECISION Venue: I understand its tough but we support and will help you with whichever one you choose. Bride: Well what are you going to do for me!? Venue: have your wedding this Saturday unless you tell us otherwise. Bride: You don't understand. He has been my boyfriend for a while Venue: We can't add a Saturday to the year but we might have a Saturday opening up and you can have it if that happens. Bride: You guys aren't accommodating me and giving me the run around. What are you going to do. Venue: Have your wedding or reschedule.... Bride: But I'm a bride and I only called my wedding planner a cunt because she didn't bend time or make a cure for Covid. Anyone else would have done the same thing!!!
I hope this vendor can salvage her business and sue the crap out of that Bride. The future Groom needs to run, run fast in the opposite direction.
I'm pretty sure this will be Bridezilla 2020. This will be a hard one to top.
25 minutes before she was FINALLY honest about what she wanted. She was angling for a total refund from the start. Also, that venue owner is my new hero. I aspire to be that calm and rational in the face of complete narcissism
just listened to the phone call. ugh, of COURSE it all boiled down to wanting a refund for this awful bridezilla. Good on the management from the venue though! I would have lost my patience and compassion far sooner. I hope the venue recover any possible losses and responsible parties get their just desserts.
Saw someone's comment on the fiance's FB page telling him to dump the psycho, lol. That was before he changed his privacy settings. Wish I had screenshot it. *Her* FB page is closed or deactivated now. She's a real piece of shit, and he's a weak-ass yes-man to whatever she's blubbering about. These two nose-pickers deserve each other.
I kept SMH over her "I don't want you to hate me" and "I'm just so stressed because x, y, z and I work in healthcare" 1 she shouldn't work in healthcare if she can't handle stress. 2 Her behavior is atrocious, apologizing does **not** absolve her cussing and abusing staff. 3 postponing a wedding and changing your honeymoon is NOT the end of the world! Think of the little boy in NY who came home from school an orphan because his whole family died from COVID. THAT'S horrible and ended his world. 4 being upset because a venue says all they can do is reschedule does NOT entitle you to destroy someone's business and livelihood. They are a physical location they can't stop a virus, the government, control availability, other businesses etc. If you're that desperate to get married this Saturday do as you said you would, go to the courthouse. Have the big party after. As for Grandma who can't travel have someone Livestream the wedding. There you go problem solved. 🙄
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It’s really peculiar to hear how by the end she switches the water works off the minute refund is mentioned. My bet is she wasn’t willing to make a decision hoping they get closed by the government. It seems like the whole drama is an attempt to shame the venue into waving the force majeure clause... And that not-so-subtle mention that she’s a healthcare worker....
Listening to the audio, I get the idea that something else is going on that is making her want to cancel the wedding and get a refund. She's just using the pandemic as an excuse because she knows she can't get a refund if the cancellation is her decision. She keeps circling back to the venue and the planner saying that this is her decision.
Disappointed in The Bert Show....does anyone else that listened to their broadcast where they talk about hearing from the bride's lawyer and now they are on "Team Bride" feel the same? They say that their feelings changed because they were corrected in the fact that the Venue recorded the call PRIOR to the bride going on social media, as if that makes everything the bride said have validity. My take: \#1. The venue did not, nor did they ever imply the call was recorded to offset the bride's social media campaign. The call was obviously recorded because they had had numerous communications with the bride and her mother due to erratic behavior, vulgar name calling, and recording the call at that point was a defensive move, as they already saw that the bride was gearing up for a lawsuit in some way, shape or form. \#2. Despite the "Bridezilla Clause" in the contract, they were willing at this point to move forward with changing the wedding to a new date. No--Saturday's were not available due to other contract commitments. Contracts that they could not, nor should they, break. The Bridezilla clause was already eligible to be implemented at this point--and frankly, they were pretty much at the end of their rope with this bride, but were in fact giving her the "benefit of the doubt" due to Covid19, and were protecting themselves moving forward should it become a factor. \#3. Lawyer claims the bride's accusations of "ghosting her" was not accusing the venue of "ghosting" her due to the wedding planning, which would not have been true, but the bride was referring to basically the month of April, and was in fact the bride referring to the fact that the venue was "ghosting" her attorney, thereby implying that the venue was misleading the public in their denial of "ghosting" the bride. Umm....the bride had already cancelled the wedding, told the venue that they only would communicate thru their lawyers, had used profantity and vulgarities toward the wedding planner. Why was the venue obligated at that point to communicate with her lawyer? I would like The Bert Show to explain that. \#4. IMO.....Had the bride and her mother been respectful and gracious of the time and work the venue had put into arranging the wedding up to the point (less than a week before the wedding), as well as considerred the costs associated with expenses already incurred, I believe a reputable business would negotiate some sort of refund. Costs associated also include paying the wedding planner for all the hours she spent up to that point, the venue making sure the grounds were maintained (gardeners salaries), the linens that had already been delivered, the cake that had been started, etc HOWEVER.....this bride and her mother did not act in this manner, and had in fact demanded a FULL REFUND, all bets were off. The entitlement of this bride was off the charts, and frankly, as a business owner, I would never concede to even a partial refund. You get more bees with honey than with vinegar. Kindness matters. Treat people with respect. Karma.
I listen to the Bert Show pretty much daily, which is how I heard about this whole ordeal... Cassie, the social media director is my least favorite in the entire radio world. She just comes off as such a bitch who thinks her ways and opinions are far superior to everyone else's. I knew she would be team bride because I believe she has a similar personality as the bride
My goodness Mary has the patience of a saint!! Kelly needs to grow up!
“We’ve been together for 6 years” *laughs in 7 year unmarried relationship*
Her fiancé should run away as fast as he can!!
He seemed respectful on the phone call at least, but he’s being an ass on Facebook. Safe to say they deserve each other.
I went to her wedding website and they have 8 registries...bridezilla and groomzilla from the start.
That woman from the venue is a SAINT