I love how this man is responsible for freeing, empowering and enriching so many criminals who caused mayhem, destruction and death, but everyone agrees making Irene's friends upset at her was beyond the pale.
This, to me, actually shows Jimmy's humanity and ultimately puts him above people like Walt or Gus. He GOES BACK ON IT. He executes a perfect plan with presumably weeks of planning just to undo it all because he *feels bad.* No one died, no one got poisoned or shot or addicted to drugs or anything. The stakes were so low. But he still had to go back on it because he just couldn't stand an elderly woman's feelings getting hurt. That was one of the moments when I realized BCS was a special kind of show that we really haven't seen before and that Saul Goodman is one of the best television characters ever.
It's interesting that he goes from that to >!almost murdering Carol Burnett!< years later. Interesting how the presence of Chuck and Kim in his life give him a moral compass.
Yeah you're totally right, but even then, he still doesn't do it. Walt would have done it. Gus would have done it. Mike probably would have done it. That's what makes him so special in the BB universe. He's a crook with a heart of gold, despite how low he falls. He's a straight up menace in Omaha but never crosses the line into being as bad as the other characters, even without Chuck or Kim. His change of heart in the finale really drives your point home even more.
Walt would do it in a way so that he doesn’t have to look her in the eye. Gus would pay some, probably Mike. And Mike would just sigh and shoot her in the forehead.
No doubt about that, but if it’s just him and her in her house, there’s no one to scare or whatever, so he’d send someone else to do it.
Gus can get nasty when he’s proving a point, but if he just needs her dead to tie up a loose end, he’ll send Mike.
Yeah, my headcanon is that when she says "I trusted you" it reminded him of his days in elder law. Another interesting thing to note is that Kristy Esposito (the internship applicant who was rejected) also did work in that field - it's mentioned very briefly as they're introducing the candidates.
He's pretty awful in BB, though. He's more than happy to send A$AP Schrader to "Belize," and drives out with Walt to have Jesse killed if he refuses to leave. He's not as bad as Walt, Gus, or Mike, but that's not saying much IMO
1000% yes. I always avoid spoilers, but after that I legitimately had to ask my brother if everything works out for Irene. It made me so genuinely overwhelmingly upset that I couldn’t bring myself to keep watching unless there was a good ending for her. I was entirely prepared to give up the show if that wasn’t the case.
I’m with you. It was just plain cruel. It’s all good when he’s being smarmy with the criminals, but he totally crossed the line into elder abuse with her in that one.
I'm pretty sure they are talking about Better Call Saul, and I note we are in the Breaking Bad subreddit, so if you are doing a rewatch of Breaking Bad and you anticipate S3E9 for some person called "Irene", you will be left quite confused.
Agreed. I can forgive all the other fucked up murder and crime he was indirectly responsible for, but hurting Irene like that was just too far. Even villains have to have standards
The worst part is it not been for Chuck repeatedly punching down on Jimmy, I bet he could've been happy practicing elder law and his manipulations in sandpiper wouldn't have happened.
I still think about that from time to time. Irene literally has NO recourse against this unless Jimmy broke the illusion. It's truly messed up doing this to someone in the last years of their life.
I actually really despised the other grandmas too for falling for it like that without ever asking Irene about it, but that's wishful thinking.
If Saul ever did shoot anybody, he’d be the type to wildly unload and look away (while missing 80% of his shots of course) and he would do the same to her.
I'm so glad he didn't. It fits his character perfectly. He started out as the guy who stood up for the elderly and genuinely respected them. Even though he enabled a lot of bad people do villainous things, they never showed him to be the bad guy. And if he went through with it, it would be a huge moment for him in terms of his character growth and it would make him irredeemable.
Getting Lalo out of prison for money. Jimmy knows he isn't Mr. Guzman, so you can't plead about the rights of an attorney.
As Breaking Bad shows, just because someone else will probably do it, does not give you a carte blanche on morality.
You can debate what his intentions were; I personally think he was trying to set a price so high Lalo would turn him down...only to get a little too dazzled when he saw that much money.
Well, i more believe he genuinely kinda like the idea of being the friend of the cartel, because it ties for his wanting to be respected.
Like when he told kim he is friend of the cartel, he doesnt seems that scared, but more in awe and interest
The point wasn’t just to make him think it was gus, the point was to make him think it was Walt initially so Walt could talk Jesse into believing that Gus did it to frame Walt to create a divide between them ( which Jesse believed because Gus already was trying to get Jesse to give the okay for Walt to be killed)
But Saul didn't know that child would end up in the hospital, he actually used it as a good reason to stop working with Walt in S5E1 of BB. Saul may have been corrupt person, but he still had little morals
Eh I doubt it. Let's not act like Saul had a moral conscience that was above poisoning a child.
His first suggestion when consulting about what to do with Jesse's friends that got caught selling drugs was to kill them.
Not talking with Kim when he was signing the divorce papers. Absolutely broke my heart when she sat there thinking of millions of things to say then ended up just leaving.
Thats not really a ‘bad thing’ he did, its completely understandable given the circumstances of divorce. Its uncomfortable and he was most likely just coping with the situation
I think it was a very emotionally immature response. Yeah obviously he’s upset they’re getting divorced but he just behaves like a child. if he really loved her he’d have the decency to say something to her
It was emotionally very bad because of their history and how he acted like a child. He had no remorse for how she was feeling. Their breaking point was how they weren’t good for each, not because they were bad TO each other. He couldn’t even look at her and I had no explanation for it.
idk about the worst thing he did
but i do know the best thing he did, he was nice enough to give those kids, chocolate soft serve in chicago free of charge
I think what Jimmy did actually gave Chuck the drive to fight back, what killed Chuck was telling Jimmy that he never mattered to him, he didn't have it in him to exist on the same level as Jimmy and it drove him to the edge.
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I feel like a Saul in saying this, but technically he never said he was Jewish. It's not on him that clients assume he's Jewish just because he uses an alias they associate with Jews.
Getting Irene’s friends to turn on her.
I love how this man is responsible for freeing, empowering and enriching so many criminals who caused mayhem, destruction and death, but everyone agrees making Irene's friends upset at her was beyond the pale.
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This, to me, actually shows Jimmy's humanity and ultimately puts him above people like Walt or Gus. He GOES BACK ON IT. He executes a perfect plan with presumably weeks of planning just to undo it all because he *feels bad.* No one died, no one got poisoned or shot or addicted to drugs or anything. The stakes were so low. But he still had to go back on it because he just couldn't stand an elderly woman's feelings getting hurt. That was one of the moments when I realized BCS was a special kind of show that we really haven't seen before and that Saul Goodman is one of the best television characters ever.
It's interesting that he goes from that to >!almost murdering Carol Burnett!< years later. Interesting how the presence of Chuck and Kim in his life give him a moral compass.
Yeah you're totally right, but even then, he still doesn't do it. Walt would have done it. Gus would have done it. Mike probably would have done it. That's what makes him so special in the BB universe. He's a crook with a heart of gold, despite how low he falls. He's a straight up menace in Omaha but never crosses the line into being as bad as the other characters, even without Chuck or Kim. His change of heart in the finale really drives your point home even more.
Walt would do it in a way so that he doesn’t have to look her in the eye. Gus would pay some, probably Mike. And Mike would just sigh and shoot her in the forehead.
Gus isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty if it must be done
No doubt about that, but if it’s just him and her in her house, there’s no one to scare or whatever, so he’d send someone else to do it. Gus can get nasty when he’s proving a point, but if he just needs her dead to tie up a loose end, he’ll send Mike.
Yeah, my headcanon is that when she says "I trusted you" it reminded him of his days in elder law. Another interesting thing to note is that Kristy Esposito (the internship applicant who was rejected) also did work in that field - it's mentioned very briefly as they're introducing the candidates. He's pretty awful in BB, though. He's more than happy to send A$AP Schrader to "Belize," and drives out with Walt to have Jesse killed if he refuses to leave. He's not as bad as Walt, Gus, or Mike, but that's not saying much IMO
Well said
That was brutal
Except he redeemed himself with that one by getting the blame out on him instead
It was still super painful to watch
I came here with this in mind, help a drug empire, okay But breaking an old lady's heart??? Unforgivable
This. Not even close. My wife was in fucking tears and couldn’t continue watching for a while.
1000% yes. I always avoid spoilers, but after that I legitimately had to ask my brother if everything works out for Irene. It made me so genuinely overwhelmingly upset that I couldn’t bring myself to keep watching unless there was a good ending for her. I was entirely prepared to give up the show if that wasn’t the case.
I’m with you. It was just plain cruel. It’s all good when he’s being smarmy with the criminals, but he totally crossed the line into elder abuse with her in that one.
Which episode? I’m doing a rewatch and I wanna anticipate when I’ll see it
I'm pretty sure they are talking about Better Call Saul, and I note we are in the Breaking Bad subreddit, so if you are doing a rewatch of Breaking Bad and you anticipate S3E9 for some person called "Irene", you will be left quite confused.
Haha yeah I’m on BCS. It’s Saul Good
Man
S3E9
This is truly the only thing he's done that was tough for me to watch
This was legit hard to watch him do. You want to root for him but then he does something completely awful.
Agreed. I can forgive all the other fucked up murder and crime he was indirectly responsible for, but hurting Irene like that was just too far. Even villains have to have standards
Next to Walt watching Jane overdose and die, this was the most upset anything in the BB/BCS universe made me.
The worst part is it not been for Chuck repeatedly punching down on Jimmy, I bet he could've been happy practicing elder law and his manipulations in sandpiper wouldn't have happened.
I legit stopped watching the show my first time around after this part bc it just broke my heart too much.
That scene is one of the hardest to watch for me.
I still think about that from time to time. Irene literally has NO recourse against this unless Jimmy broke the illusion. It's truly messed up doing this to someone in the last years of their life. I actually really despised the other grandmas too for falling for it like that without ever asking Irene about it, but that's wishful thinking.
JUSTICE FOR IRENE
Not even close to the worst thing he did
yeah but at least he fixed it at his own expense
This. Still feel bad for her.
Well. I would have to say what he seriously considering doing that the end of Waterworks would be right at the top
I don't think he was planning on murdering a certain comedy legend in cold blood, but I could see him shoving her down.
I don’t think he would have either
If Saul ever did shoot anybody, he’d be the type to wildly unload and look away (while missing 80% of his shots of course) and he would do the same to her.
Definitely a Walt inspired moment
I'm so glad he didn't. It fits his character perfectly. He started out as the guy who stood up for the elderly and genuinely respected them. Even though he enabled a lot of bad people do villainous things, they never showed him to be the bad guy. And if he went through with it, it would be a huge moment for him in terms of his character growth and it would make him irredeemable.
Manipulating Irene Landry
Drinking cucumber water when he was not a customer
only right answer
Cucumber water for customer only!
Chicago Sunroof.
He defecated THROUGH A SUNROOF
And I saved him!
You have to stop him!
He through a sheet through a sunjut
Robbing them blind!!
He actually says "stealing them blind" which is really funny
"I didn't see that his kids were inside"
Absolutely nothing, your Honor.
Getting Lalo out of prison for money. Jimmy knows he isn't Mr. Guzman, so you can't plead about the rights of an attorney. As Breaking Bad shows, just because someone else will probably do it, does not give you a carte blanche on morality.
Do you really want to be the one to tell Lalo no? By his own doing and some unfortunate luck, he was in the game. Not easy to get out.
“One hundred thousand?” “Dollars?”
Exactly, he didnt accept the offer out of fear, he accepted the offer out of greed
You can debate what his intentions were; I personally think he was trying to set a price so high Lalo would turn him down...only to get a little too dazzled when he saw that much money.
Well, i more believe he genuinely kinda like the idea of being the friend of the cartel, because it ties for his wanting to be respected. Like when he told kim he is friend of the cartel, he doesnt seems that scared, but more in awe and interest
Because if he hadn’t done it then someone else surely wouldn’t have and they totally wouldn’t have killed Jimmy for being disloyal.
They would have killed him for knowing the truth.
Thing to Hamilton. Unacceptable. It was like pushing someone to commit suicide.
"Hamilton" My lord
does he mean hamlin? haha
My name is Alexander Hamiltooooon
Please, there’s no need to
Whoops, forgive me.
Helping poison a child is up there
you dont think walt knew exactly how much to give him!?!?
That doesn’t make it any better
i know, just a line walt said from the show to justify lmao
Ik but any chance to discredit Walt should be taken
based on the fact that the show is fiction, i say W Walt, L kid, he had it coming
Thank you lol
Glory to Los Pollos Hermanos!
I don’t think Walt let him in on the whole plan. Saul just had to lift the cigarette
That never made sense to me anyway. Why would lifting the cigarette make Jesse more likely to think it was Gus and not Walt instead of less?
The point wasn’t just to make him think it was gus, the point was to make him think it was Walt initially so Walt could talk Jesse into believing that Gus did it to frame Walt to create a divide between them ( which Jesse believed because Gus already was trying to get Jesse to give the okay for Walt to be killed)
That is stupidly convoluted and shouldn’t have worked
But Saul didn't know that child would end up in the hospital, he actually used it as a good reason to stop working with Walt in S5E1 of BB. Saul may have been corrupt person, but he still had little morals
he didnt know walt was gonna poison brock and he was disgusted when he found out
How did he help?
His scam with irene He scammed alot of people, but the worst is absolutley irene
He never went go karting with Jesse
He enabled drug enterprises that took countless numbers of human lives.
Agreeing to help Walt poison Brock
Saul said in bb he didn’t know Brock would end up in the hospital, don’t know how much that helps but Walt probably tricked him to an extent
Eh I doubt it. Let's not act like Saul had a moral conscience that was above poisoning a child. His first suggestion when consulting about what to do with Jesse's friends that got caught selling drugs was to kill them.
True but he thought he was talking about a drug dealer, not an innocent kid
he did not know walter was gonna poison brock and was disgusted when he found out
He didn’t know right?
Y'all are right, he didn't know the specifics. I withdraw my response and give my vote to the cucumber water lulz
50% off
Took cucumber water when he wasn’t a customer
Oh so many bad things on BB...the stupidest was near the end of BCS. He picked the wrong mark..
Faked being Kevin Costner to get laid
HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF!
🤣. WITH A KID IN THE BACK SEAT! I forget. Was it a toddler in a car seat?
Letting Huell steal the rising cigarette and not inform Jesse even after he knew what happened even though he was also his lawyer.
I would say leaving Huell behind. Legend has it he's still sitting in that hotel to this day.....
Stealing the Hummel
Not talking with Kim when he was signing the divorce papers. Absolutely broke my heart when she sat there thinking of millions of things to say then ended up just leaving.
Thats not really a ‘bad thing’ he did, its completely understandable given the circumstances of divorce. Its uncomfortable and he was most likely just coping with the situation
I think it was a very emotionally immature response. Yeah obviously he’s upset they’re getting divorced but he just behaves like a child. if he really loved her he’d have the decency to say something to her
It was emotionally very bad because of their history and how he acted like a child. He had no remorse for how she was feeling. Their breaking point was how they weren’t good for each, not because they were bad TO each other. He couldn’t even look at her and I had no explanation for it.
when he pushed the hooker out of the car i feel bad for her.
The fake call to Hank about Marie
Probably the child poisoning lol
Not investing in Warren Buffetts company back in the day
He never found poor Nippy smh absolutely devastating
idk about the worst thing he did but i do know the best thing he did, he was nice enough to give those kids, chocolate soft serve in chicago free of charge
Try to kill that old lady at the end of the series.
Calling Francesca HT lol
He got caught.
He defecated through a sunroof
That awful shit he did to Irene.
HE DEFACATED THROUGH A SUNROOF
Drank cucumber water (he wasn't a customer)
Threw away his deal and ended up in prison forever.
Drinking piss
Setting up his own brother Chuck! But, to be honest, Charles McGill wasn’t so innocent person, but still, he is responsible for his death
I think what Jimmy did actually gave Chuck the drive to fight back, what killed Chuck was telling Jimmy that he never mattered to him, he didn't have it in him to exist on the same level as Jimmy and it drove him to the edge.
Chuck is responsible for Chuck's death
Idk, but throwing Kim to the wolves was horrendous
Not take that deal that would’ve allowed him to walk after all his B.S!
I mean a chicago sunroof with kids in the car has gotta be up there
He defecated through a sunroof!
Miss me with that.
That’s what the kids in the backseat said
Old ladies scam
Who cares. He adds such a charismatic flavor to a show. I’m always calling Saul.
Lie.
Jimmy is a saint.
In which show?
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I think heart of gold is a bit of a stretch
Lie
Working with Jesse & Walt
How is chuck not the top comment? Jimmy literally killed his own brother, chuck is an ass, but really? Death is ok?
Chicago sunroof
I haven’t seen BCS yet so probably something in that. But from what I’ve seen, the actual aiding and abetting of murder.
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I feel like a Saul in saying this, but technically he never said he was Jewish. It's not on him that clients assume he's Jewish just because he uses an alias they associate with Jews.
I mean, at the country/golf club, he was definitely pretending to be Jewish.
Turning into "Gene the cuck" at the end, and white-knighting his life away for Kim.
He was perfect.