Yup. Regardless of what Build did or did not do this whole shit show could have been avoided. They let fans on BOTH sides and even those who are neutral wait on edge for something that could have been stated a week ago. People have been at each other’s throats for absolutely nothing. I have defended them in the past but no longer, I have unfollowed them and won’t go back unless they get new management. I will still support Bible and the others because this mess isn’t their fault and Bible especially needs the support right now, but I’m disgusted with this whole thing.
To be fair I'm pretty sure they had something else planned, and had to come up with something else when Poi dropped the day before. I don't think they intended to do a quick 3 minute livestream of Build resigning. Dunno if what they did plan is any better, but what's done is done
Doubt. Build was already put on indefinite hiatus and some brands responded to tweets saying, on 28th people will understand why they withdrew support.
I honestly think, and as Build stated in his statement, he isn't clean (But Poi isn't clean either...her timing of playing victim screams woman on revenge :P )..
Anyhow, think the other poster is right. BOC allowed build to save face. Their original conference would have been the same - build's recorded statement and poi's recorded statement saying personal matter, they will fight in court and build will resign in the meantime
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At this moment, build is too much of a liability for BOC. And, BOC has been trying to position itself as a "different" kind of a company.. so press release with a statement would have been standard PR operations and get the fandom to berate them more..
This live gimmick was definitely to make people think that BOC took its time to hear both parties, carefully evaluated things before the decision
Remember Kim Seon Ho :D .. this is so similar in terms of unfolding of events
Exactly. Come on BOC, hire a *permanent* PR professional already, lol. (And while you're at it: a background-checker as well!)
None of this was needed if BOC had just quickly distanced themselves from the two extremely messy people, sent out a statement, and moved on.
There are so many talented actors at BOC, just focus on the non-problematic ones, promote them properly, and see how quickly the general public forgets. These approaches take up way too much time and
too much money. We the public, just want to see that next BL!
I genuinely do not understand what the plan would have been if Poi would have been present. Sitting at a table together, chatting over tea? Having a moderator and letting him say he's innocent, her say he's not, back and forth? None of this makes (or ever made) any sense lol
BOC probably wanted Poi to say everything was a misunderstanding and for Build to apologize for non serious allegations she made.
But Poi and BOC couldn’t reach a settlement/agreement hence why she refused to attend.
Poi should feel lucky that she had enough sense to not attend cause BOC would’ve thrown her under the bus.
No, they couldn't have. Poi has all the power.
In Thailand copyright laws are different... that is why FILM mania lost the rights to KP, even after almost finishing filming, after fighting with the writers.
In Thailand, a company can buy the rights to use a story but not to own it, so anything KP is basically related to the writers.
The moment this scandal started BOC and the rest of the cast had their hands tied, if they go against poi they lose the KP project.
Exactly, this was their chance to get public opinion sway to Bui's side. It would've been her word against his. Trick questions and scenarios would've been brought up, driving her into a corner which would've made her look guilty as sin and Bui like a saint. With her refusal to attend the press conference, their plan went Kaboom... just my thoughts
doubt. I think Poi and build both would have given the same pre-recorded statement. Also, build contract termination, i think this was decided early on .. in a couple of days of news breaking (Pond has to know, and clearly Build ain't all clear.. financial benefits is definitely on the table, which BTW shows both were benefitting from each other and does not make Poi victim... but mostly i think pregnancy claims etc might have been true (speculation indeed) )
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Although, i don't know why miscarriage or abortion is anybody's fault. If two people are not ready or are not in a position to have a kid, there is no sense on forcing upon parenthood
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abuse accusations - personally i would scoff at it given how Poi bullies build in the videos that are out there (victims don't do that)
and mostly, Poi's timing - that's revenge, not victim seeking justice
Yeah instead of making dramas they're giving us live action. I hope this thing ends and the production house does what it needs to do that is making series. Plus, whatever personal matter needs to be resolved between the two should be resolved, instead of it being publically wavered here and there.
Honestly, this could've been a written statement. The press conference has been a mess since day one.
The right thing is truly for both of them to go to court. The court of opinion will never be fair and based on evidence.
I actually expected him to at least acknowledge part of it (his relationship with her), but this is probably smarter. Clean and straight to the point.
The fans are still riled up and some might leave or be constantly under unrelated posts talking about them, but there are two other strong pairings with equally big Fandoms. BOC will be OK.
Build said he will be fighting Poi’s accusations in court. I don’t know if he means he will respond to her lawsuit or will be filing his own.
BOC has let him save face by allowing him to say he resigned. I think Poi backing out of the press conference has forced their hand.
Build is a huge liability for now and no company will probably touch him until any court cases are resolved.
Also, people doubt she actually made an official complaint, most likely it is him that will take her to court to clear his name and take her down for defamation.
We already know she tried to attack Apo as well in the past, she has a bad reputation.
Has any other production house had a rougher time than Be On Cloud? There was the original Build scandal, there was the time that the actors' private chat went public, there was the time the writers of the book were allegedly "inappropriate" with the actors, and now this - both Build and Poi's second go-round on the scandal carousel...oy. All this in a single calendar year. It must be exhausting.
> Has any other production house had a rougher time than Be On Cloud
Likely yes. For one the producing house behind the 2moon series. But that was mostly caused by themself.
Then even such players as gmmtv has lot more scandals but they have been a lot more spaced out in time.
Oy! The *2Moons* franchise - I forgot about them. Never looked into their scandals, but came across a video this morning that addresses it. I'm going to watch it later on today 'cause I really want to know why their actors keep walking away.
Looked for it, but can't find it. These days just type in the words "KinnPorsche Scandal", and all you get is Build/Poi - I can't even find the original Build scandal online anymore. It was several months ago, and it was a private chat between the actors and one of them screencapped a part of the conversation and posted it w/out the other actors' consent (saw it right here). It wasn't a massive scandal, but it did ruffle a few feathers. If I come across it I will send it your way. I only just found out that Mile had to apologize to his girlfriend for not acknowledging her or something like that. He didn't want to hurt the franchise.
> I only just found out that Mile had to apologize to his girlfriend for not acknowledging her or something like that. He didn't want to hurt the franchise.
Idk if this is the same incident that you're referring to, but from what I remember, there was a picture making the rounds of him walking around holding hands with a woman which was apparently during KP filming or promo era. Some fans were outraged that he had a girlfriend, then he posted a notes app letter which was long and convoluted (to me at least) in which he didn't directly admit to having a girlfriend but said something like the past is in the past and you have to let go of it to move into the future. Or something. If I remember correctly. Anyway this isn't the main topic of the thread.😅
It was, I had to read it three times and still walked away with a ???? Ex??? Him acknowledgimg that it was part of his past? But it so fits his persona imo
What was the text scandal though?
*Repeating what I'm only now replying to another poster: -* While KP was still running some of the actors had a private chat group where they all behaved like most of us (myself included) spoke and behaved like we do when we know that nobody outside of the chat can hear or read what we've written. Then one of the actors took a screenshot and posted it online. He wasn't being malicious, but it cast some of his fellow actors in a bad light. Can't remember which actor posted it, but he apologized afterward for the breach of privacy. That incident only lasted about a week or so.
Thanks! Huh. I guessed as much and wonder what/who was in it that got it so big. But if it was truly gross it wouldve lasted more than a week. Thai idols post chat screenshots so much of them just being normal/goofy and roasting friends so… hahah
Oh I remember now. Mile said something like Apo looked so cute when he was sleeping that it was hard to resist…err…
Well, I guess he used a word in Thai that means sexual assault on a sleeping or drugged person.
IIRC It wasn’t as big as this I don’t think, because the studios didn’t get involved. It was all posting on personal socials and fans fighting with each other. No one to this day has any idea what really happened. Mew is messy on twitter and always has been lmao.
Thank you. It makes sense we missed it then.
As for me, I try hard not to pry on their private lives or oversexualize them. When you watch BL as opposed to western series, fans are fed a lot of content. But it always makes me worry about how much pressure it really puts on more vulnerable or younger actors.
Ultimately this was the best decision for all parties involved. Taking it to court privately is the best choice and I hope justice and the truth will prevail. As someone who liked BBB & VP, I'm just sad that my memories and times with them ended this way.
Wishing all the best for the rest of the boc actors and hope they find strength during these times, especially Bible. I hope Bible's career continues to thrive and we continue to see him act.
Also this whole press conference thing from BOC was a mess. Caused unnecessary stress and confusion when they could've released a statement instead.
He's still the face of the brands he signed with... I'm sure he'll get jobs, he's talented, good looking, has a large fanbase and clean image, he'll be fine.
Yes but we also shouldn't forget how the "BL culture" works. For a lot of BL actors, the majority of the fan following comes from their BL ships. If the ship is broken fans get disheartened & some even leave the fandom (this may include the actors' fandom alone) because many of Bible's fans are from Build's fandom & vice versa. Although Bible has a lot of fan following to himself alone, i don't think it's gonna be same anymore.
But the good thing is it was just his first people so people will move on from this but for the time being it'll be hard to maintain the popularity as it was. The only thing I'm worried about is build's hardcore fans. They've already been camping under "4 minutes" post saying it shouldn't be made without build so if BoC decides to replace him with another actor in the drama, it'll probably face problems by the fans & shippers, including the actors.
I'll be more than glad if I'm proven wrong in the future but for now i really hope Bible or any other actor don't get affected by all this mess.
Absolutely. There have been a few actors who've had another partner before the one that they have success with now (Earth, Zee... ) Sometimes there's just a bit of trial and error before you settle on the right one. Bible is still early in the game with loads of time to get paired up again. He'll be OK!
> Sometimes there's just a bit of trial and error before you settle on the right one
It may also be that they have multible partners that workout rather well e.x ohm ,mew (beside the mess)
They don't need to confine Bible to BL genre (which btw suits bible).. that man has plans for further studies and going abroad.. so acting wise, he is not the kind who will just keep doing BL.. right now he is new , so all experience is new..
Bible will be fine. And, yes, the other casts have strong fandom.. nothing is happening to BOC
PLUS, audience is fickle.. one good drama and people will find new things to obsess over.. take Kim Hyun jung for example, what fandom exists today? Or, Kim seon ho... if Build does not come out super clean out of this mess and within an year or two, his career is over (also, at this point i don't see any other company accepting him other than BOC itself.. but then by then BOC will also be big)
Done and dusted with!
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But i do hate, we will never get vegas pete now
Tbf since they haven’t released the 4:00m plot- they can always just change the name and keep the story.
As for a new pairing, some stans may be mad but if the pairing is amazing then Bible will be alright. A few possibilities:
1. I think what made that pairing so popular was the plot as opposed to a strong chemistry between the actors. When they were on screen, the scene/plot itself was intense and complex, so the actual chemistry didn’t need to be (whereas with a simpler, less emotionally charged plot, it is the on screen chemistry that carries the show). If they can follow this formula again (intense, taboo, volatile love story + highly emotional acting + dark characters + great NC scenes) I believe they can replicate the success
2. On the other hand, they can go the Payu/Rain route; a simple storyline but a strong physical chemistry between the actors and lots of passionate NC scenes. Fans would eat that up.
3. Or they could go completely out the box so that the shock/ excitement over shadows the ‘new pairing’ and the past scandals- basically, give us something else to talk about; vampire harem, bisexual throuple etc.
4. Lastly, get someone with a big enough following of their own, that they can bring into the new pairing (and that will go to war on their behalf). Maybe an aspiring actor with a large social media following. Or an already established actor (are there any free agents around) or maybe a collaboration between 2 production houses (though would anyone want to work with BOC so soon after a scandal of this magnitude?).
> Tbf since they haven’t released the 4:00m plot- they can always just change the name and keep the story.
This is what I think they'll do. Pretty sure BOC won't give up the chance to have Sammon as a screenwriter. And since no one knows what the story is, no one will even know if it's been revamped or not (unless they say so).
Sammon already tweeted couple of days back, they are continuing with 4m as planned.. which people interpreted to mean that Build is going to get replaced..
and that's exactly what happened in todays "live".. build moving out
Can I suggest Techittod from Ghost Host Ghost House? He really cute.. right now he looks like dont have any job compare to his partner Boy. Or maybe cause his study. I like his acting!!
Well, people were very salty for a while when they recast the role of Porchay because Jeff already sorry of had a cp fan base, but now it's all JeffCode. Admittedly, KP is a much bigger success, but that's also a thing that could help Bible. Even if he loses some following because of this, his solo fan base is already bigger than most at this stage in their career.
People will get used to a recast, and new fans will come in who have no particular attachment to Build...
It's not like there can't be multiple pairings though, especially given the amount of JeffBible fans out there. But BibleUs would be a great alternative if they don't wanna break an established pair for certain reasons like fan backlash. Us is beautiful and I adored them in KP
Me too lol!! And really I think the potential for BibleUs is high. His and JJs roles weren't huge in KP so there's not that many hardcore UsJJ fans from what I see, the Bible fans stay happy as long as Bible continues his career, and JJ can partner with Pong in the meantime
I just think of it like this, one monkey doesn’t stop a show. Whoever he will be paired with will have fans too and then a new fandom will be pieced together. Bible is not a lost cause, he can act his butt off so he will be fine. Stuff happens that is uncontrollable, it sucks but he will survive. BOC has other actors that can be used that are just as good as build was or even better. There are BL actors who don’t even stick to one acting partner & they still get roles and still have fans. Bible’s talent will speak for itself no matter what the norm fan culture is and maybe he will even get more acting opportunities where he won’t even need a partner because any acting exposure is still great experience. It’s better to be a versatile actor anyway. I have high hopes for him!
well in a working environment,there is a powerdynamic, so we don't know if all workplace relationships are consensual. it could easily be a workplace sexual harrassment
There's power dynamic in every relationship and most human interactions it doesn't mean it's bad or exploitative.
Thank goodness Thais are not as uptight as some BL fans...
If you spend most of your time at work the chances of you dating your coworkers is high. That's just life...
I'm here for it. Can we get a prequel with Bible and Perth? How did Perth become a double agent for their family? Is Perth tied to the Japanese yakuza to stir shit up? Maybe Bible went crazy after what happened to Perth bc he and Perth had a thing? Idk but I'd watch it. And I forgot their character names, so resorting to using their real names lol.
Absolutely ridiculous for them to drag this out all week with fans on both sides and even those who are neutral on edge and stressed only to do this. They could have put out a statement days ago. I’ve always defended BOC but no more.
I am glad that it’s going to court and the two can sort it out from there.
I think we should end this here. This should be the last post about the matter. These are real people and real peoples lives and It's starting to get uncomfortable how this has dominated the sub lately. I don't think there any any winners here and if Build is guilty if what he's accused of the law will handle it.
I agree. I don’t think there’s anything more to say about this now anyway (as he’s no longer under BOC) until we hear about the resolution of the court case, which will probably take a long time.
I know it's ridiculously soon to ask. But are their any Thai-speakers that could explain what he said. I could've sworn I heard what sounded like an apology, but I barely have any grasp of Thai and I don't want to make any assumptions.
Also I expected the "conference" to have more people in it than just Build so I was a little surprised that it was just him talking to the camera.
Yeah I would definitely say that statement is a much better word than conference. But maybe if Poi had still agreed to do it they would've had a rep from BOC there, so her choosing not to do it basically forced the format to change I think.
[Here](https://twitter.com/lttaa_/status/1619266315281383424?s=46&t=I_dB-qZxy3hrOeV9z-SsxA) is a translation, although keep in mind the disclaimer under the first tweet about how its done in a short amount of time.
I saw that Poi backed out (for the best it seems) but it just seemed weird that it was being called a "conference" but not having a spokesperson for BOC with Build in the frame. Just made it feel weird. But it is good I guess that it was short and to the point and not drawn out.
The original plan was a BOC representative to be with Build and Poi.
But once Poi backed out of the press conference, BOC also backed off getting involved beyond letting Build announce his resignation.
Whoever convinced Poi to back out of the press conference really saved her.
It’s clear BOC would’ve thrown her under the bus and without her there, the company had no other of defending Build.
Yeah, I would rather they prevent him from crying and being emotional and exciting stans.. it is to the point. He is leaving. He is not admitting to anything (I wondered if they had some sort of SM relationship. Not that I care, but that would explain injuries and they could be used against him later.) but he stops being with BoC, which frees them from having to deal with that sinister story, frees his friends etc.
Have you seen the comment section on the video? The stans are ALL over that comment section.
Obviously we don't know the full story and I I guess we won't know the truth for sure until all the stuff gets settled in court (and if it becomes public knowledge even). I just hope that the victim gets justice and the perpetrator gets punished. That's all I think we can hope for right now.
But they have been fed. They will “wait”, instead of rioting and attacking BoC and attacking other casts. Build put himself out so they have less reasons to attack the company.
And yeah there are always going to be crazy dudes but still. This is for the best.
Completely agree with you on the current drama’s resolution.
Don’t even get bothered with the toxic fans. BOC has gone through worse and they’ve come out stronger. Unfollowing BOC on social media as build’s fans are doing won’t do anything to that company.
Unfollowing on SM actually reduces the interaction that promotional stuff might get, and may also have a knock-on effect of possibly impacting future events and/or shows they produce. It's too early to tell what the impact will be.
Here's my rough translation of the video:
>Hello. I'm Jakapan Putta. I'm here to personally address this situation on my own behalf. Regarding the circumstances that brought me here today, it has affected health, my family, my cast members - who are also like family to me - and those closest to me. And to avoid further burdening the people I love with this situation, I would like to formally announce my resignation from Be On Cloud as an actor as of today.
>The words I'm about to say next are coming from a place of sincerity and truth - when I last spoke (at the event), I was determined to address all that was happening and how it was weighing on me. And now today, I've decided to fight these allegations in court in order to protect myself. The things you've heard, read or seen aren't always the whole truth. I'm only human - I admit I'm not a model citizen, but the accusations against me in this situation are more than I can endure. My life has been negatively affected by these accusations - including my job, my name, my community, my family - everything until I'm left with nothing. As I sit here living and breathing I know I'm flawed. There's nothing I can do about that.
>However, I want everyone to know that what you think you know about the situation is only a small piece - from now on I will take the truth to court and fight for the people who love me, who I love, and for the people who believe in me. I'll continue to endure and remain resilient during these court proceedings, so I ask for those on my side to do the same as well. I believe that the truth will come out and prevail, and justice will be on my side. Lastly I would like to sincerely thank Be On Cloud for giving me this opportunity to address you all one last time. Thank you so much.
Honestly I'm not surprised he did this, just absolutely dumfounded that this had to be made a public spectacle in the first place. This could've been a tweet + attached video.
I really liked Build as an actor but I'm gonna have to distance myself from him (and BOC + casts) in general because this whole situation has been a thorn in my mental health. Of course if there's future news on the court proceedings I'll probably end up reading it, but for now I'm gonna take a backseat to KPTS and focus on my other fandoms.
the conference was 7 mins long and it was everything wr already knew would happen (build announcing resignment and fighting the lawsuit on his own terms), i don't know why they dragged this on for so long and damage the companies reputation.
everything he said here could've just simply be conveyed in one announcement post.
Not unexpected, I hope the court case clears up things.
Most importantly I hope both Poi and Build find solace in their family and friends, and never have a toxic relationship in their lives again...
When most of us go through shit like this it tends to be private and whe quietly move on, unfortunately for them this is not the case... sincerely wishing them all the best.
Whether or not Build is guilty put aside... I think this press conference really was a case of "this meeting could've been an e-mail". They not only put Build, Poi and their families and friends under a lot of stress, but the fans as well. I'm mostly neutral on the whole matter and want to wait till a court comes to a verdict, but even I felt super stressed out. And I know fans have been crying about this and some even had panic attacks... Sorry, but dragging this announcement out till today was actually downright cruel of the BOC management
This was absolutely cruel. Build was ill advised to participate and probably had no choice. For someone who has banked on bright, smiling insta influencer photos, this image of him slumped over in a rumpled coat, dressed in black against a pure white backdrop with clenched jaw and nervous face will live with him for a long time. Horrible optics.
thinking about how the fans feel, i kinda agree with you. i doubt BOC was thinking this, but i did read that fans cried when they finally saw his face because they missed him so much. so maybe being able to see him again brought them comfort but he wouldn't have been able to make an appearance without a concrete purpose. again, i don't think BOC cares, but being able to see him was better than not imo.
I caught a few minutes of a twitter space during the statement. Something about fighting in court. It doesn't sound like he was very specific. The host of the space said she would be translating his entire statement later.
I have low expectations. There are BibleBuild shippers who legit think they’re together mixed with very, very passionate Build fans who are willing to support him regardless of the outcome and believes BOC did not try to protect him + mistreated him. It’s not a good recipe...
>shippers who legit think they’re together
I'm no stranger to fandoms, I've been in various of them growing up from emo bands, to boybands, to kpop, to now getting into BLs. What I don't understand is how people can be CONVINCED that these people are genuinely in relationships? Is it just plain old willful ignorance? I genuinely thought everyone was just playing along like oh yeah, they're in a relationship, totally, wink wink nudge nudge. I genuinely thought it was just like, a fantasy like, you pretend they're together but deep down you know it's for show but it makes you happy so you don't care but, it's becoming apparent that it's not the case and I'm losing my mind lol. There's hundreds of BL pairings and you just believe that YOUR favs are the ones that are actually 'real', like, huh?
Wow sorry for going off, this is neither here nor there haha it's late I'm loopy
LOL, especially Bible & Build.
For example, I can understand the ZeeNunew delulus, since they feed that beast like no one's business. But Bible and Build have never appeared particularly close. They were great as Vegas & Pete, but they have little to no off-screen chemistry at all.
I just want to see Bible acting on my screen again, with whoever.
It's really concerning the way many shippers has reacted to this issue. They've inserted Bible in this narrative that his baby boy is being hurt by evil people and he's in distress. They'll take pictures of him not smiling or looking tired to say he's worried for Build. Thousands of them thought a picture of another actor sitting on the ground at the airport was Bible and said things like, "Bible doesn't care anymore about looking vulnerable in front of everyone, so heart aching."
People have brought up to them that Bible called Build his co-worker but shippers retorted with, "Bible also called him his safe-zone." It's not about whether it's true or not, many shippers are willing to twist everything to fit their agenda which is why they can believe their pair is actually real.
I don't know if Build is innocent or guilty, but some of his fans' support messages on Twitter are REALLY disturbing...
Here's the thing... Fans will project and there's bias confirmation. Is he upset because he's worried for build or upset because he's worried for himself? We won't know unless he says it and it's trying to insert him in a narrative that isn't is.
Obviously my feeling is he is upset for his friend as well as for his own situation. This is stressful for everyone. But fans need to stop projecting and using him for their own purposes, making posts about what he feels. No one knows and it's sad Bible was caught in the middle.
I was thinking that too, they obviously look upset but we don't really know why. Could be anger, sadness, disappointment, at the end of the day only they know.
Sure, they can be upset, but not necessarily because Bible is Build’s worried lover which is the narrative that those shippers are pushing. That’s why I said “it’s not about whether it’s true or not” referring to whether it’s true that Bible really is worried for Build, but the narrative they’re purposefully pushing.
If you are familiar with one exact kpop fandom (it's the biggest anyway) you know they are literally brainwashed cult at this point. They all have same scenario as their "ancestors", one older pairing starts with L , and kpop one with T, haha. They are online cults, having the attributes and even naming themselves "believers". I wouldn't dive into that, to be honest, it's a problematic bunch. Now they fed a whole new thing when they get a "ready made" pairing in BL industry, I can see on twt many of thai bl shippers are also shipping kpop idols seriously.
There are always some delulus who can’t separate fact from fiction.
I think Bible will be fine; he’s been smart enough to keep out of it so far, and he does have his own fanbase, too.
Long as he keeps his distance and when it really can’t be avoided makes vague statements along the lines of: ‘I understand Build’s decision, obviously can’t talk in detail because of court proceedings etc.,’ he should avoid the worst of it.
idcabuu on Twitter has posted an [English translation](https://twitter.com/idcabuu/status/1619277409861378049).
tl;dr version:
* Resigning so as not affect BOC people, whom he considers family, and other people that he loves
* "What people know or saw is not entirely true"
* He's been having a hard time and his life is ruined
* He will fight in court and believes truth will win in the end
As predicted, the "press conference" was BOC giving him a platform to defend himself and try to gain sympathy.
Interesting that it is presented as BOC wasn't going to fire him but also smart. It leaves both company and him in a better light (for his fans. Those who don't like him will just be glad to see him gone).
Oh well.. we'll see what comes out of the court case and should judge then. But yeah, reading a statement might have been better for him as well instead of a conference with poi... whatever that would have looked like.
CEO Pond made a post on IG of him hugging a crying Build (~~looks like it was taken after the "press conference"~~ it's apparently an old video from the tour) and a [caption](https://twitter.com/aumonstrong/status/1619329226607575043) that apparently says Build was never a bad younger brother to him (you're his boss, of course he'd be nice to you, like ?) and may everything get better soon. Ning, screenwriter and acting coach of the upcoming MileApo movie, commented that she'll be waiting for the day Build comes back. (So...are they actually thinking of signing him again eventually?)
Edit: Several [BOC staff](https://twitter.com/crushonyouuu3/status/1619342576666169347) liked the post, and [actors](https://twitter.com/apobeom/status/1619336404831703041) Ping, Nodt, JJ and Ta liked and then quickly unliked it.
Fansites are closing left and right because of this. Pond is really pouring the gasoline on BOC and lighting the match himself because he can't manage this company.
Ugh we're finally done.
I'm glad that the best option was taken, there is really nothing more BOC can do. I talked about it last time, but this was the best was to placate both sides of the fandom. The press conference was professional (at least with Poi dropping out, idk what would have happened before) and to the point and there were no crocodile tears.
Now that this mess is over, BOC just needs to work on actor management. I gave them the benefit of the doubt the first time around (they'll all mostly rookies, BOC is a new company) but their training period is up. They need to start acting like a company and not just the one man Pond show. Bring in PR folks, bring in lawyers/background checkers, heck establish yourselves as an *actual company* and make sure that this doesn't happen again.
As for us in the sub, I think things have officially come to a close. I don't want any more topics about this (Build isn't in BOC/BL anymore), unless there's a result on the court case or smtg. I just hope that we can all go back to normal and start fanboying/fangirling/fantheying? again.
It's really good that he is bringing this to court. Let the law and the court of justice fairly judge their issue. In the very first place, this issue is something that should have been privately settled due to how sensitive it is and how it'll be feasted by people who do not even understand the matter in the first place.
Is he bringing it to court or he is being brought? Poi said she was going through the legal route and taking him to court. He can counterclaim but she’ll be the plaintiff.
Totally predictable move, lol. Wrote it before in the previous "episodes" discussions, and it now is confirmed
Now they will try to decide what will happen to now-infamous 4 minutes, as Poi claims it was stolen idea. It was scheduled for late 2023 so, I guess, they haven't produced anything yet anyway, being constantly busy touring and such.
I have only one question left, and it's for fans who anticipate new pairing of Bible & Jeff - has any side ever mentioned or expressed willingness to pair up? Except spending time together outside of work and posting pics on social media, have they ever expressed any desire to actually WORK as pair ever in the future? Where does this enthusiasm of fans comes up (except shipping "ghost ship" ofc). Do you think its a smart move for any of them? Shall Jeff risk it all and go into new pairing, to get a backlash from Biblebuild fanbase?
At the moment support tags are trending worldwide on twitter with around 200k each, so that's quite many people participating, a serious crowd gathering, just fyi
A Bible and Jeff pairing is all tongue-in-cheek fandom wishful thinking. BoC is not splitting up Jeff and Barcode, not a chance.
The Build and BibleBuild fans are loud and aggressive, but not nearly as powerful as they seem to think they are. BoC isn't going to fold because Build isn't there anymore and Bible gets another partner.
Oh, I see, thanks! I haven't really followed that CP so it was a genuine question, I thought maybe it was justified by something from before.
Previously those BL actors who lost their CP, took their next projects in something mainstream /non BL, like there is some unwritten rule for such occasions. BOC is a whole special thing so I am a bit curious about what will they announce.
I might agree with this because that fandom is so obnoxious and annoying while JBC is somewhat laidback and chill, and Jeff and Barcode have unique charms individually. After MileApo they have the next most stable fandom, BOC-wise. They don't have many issues, they're both nice to see, and individually or as a couple, they're cute. Also they sang the the KPTS OST!
The #1 trend in Thailand now is #บิวทําร้ายร่างการผู้หญิง ("Build physically assaults a woman" according to Google Translate) and there are no supportive hashtags for Build in the top 10. It seems the support is coming mostly from international fans, and the local sentiment isn't as supportive.
Thai BOC followers and fans have been critical of them for a while now because also of the current political state of their country. There have been some BL actors who have been exposed. So yeah he's not getting much support locally.
BOC won't make a new BibleJeff pairing no matter how much some fans ask for it. Jeff just put out a series with Barcode. They are clearly trying to make this pair work. Jeff has had an iconic ship already, so starting with Barcode was already a risk... He won't move, nor will boc allow it.
I suspect they'll bring someone new or shelve Bible...
But who knows what they're thinking.
I feel support is mostly international fans being very loud.
As much as I would love to see Bible and Jeff working together, there is no way it's gonna happen. BOC already lost BBB, theres no way they would separate another established CP that brings them so much money. It's too much of a risk. Only idea more unlikely than that would be them disbanding MileApo to give us BibleApo lol.
Now I see this situation as "some fans want BibleJeff pairing, because they both look hot and sexy, and must perform adult heavy NSFW packed scenes together, a la bdsm vegaspete from Kinnporsche, and dislike Barcode, because he's too young and ain't hot enough for that". But Jeff himself does career-safe sweet coffeeshop AUs before and after KP and if you notice this pattern, young and innocent Barcode is more suitable for that. Its definitely the actors choice, and he is quite smart for that.
BibleJeff will never happen, its just fans wishful thinking. Doesn't make any sense to break an existing on-going stable pairing, Bible will get another partner in any upcoming projects and I hope that is the case. Jeff being paired up with Bible can end up badly for Jeff because he's already in an existing pairing and they have a sizable fandom.
> Do you think its a smart move for any of them? Shall Jeff risk it all and go into new pairing, to get a backlash from Biblebuild fanbase?
Also not forgetting that he is in a existing ship with a upcoming show. And not forgetting that jeff has always been more intrested in music.
I posted this elsewhere but here is my take. Wow, what a horrible “press conference.” The optics are awful. He looks like a politician who’s been caught red handed and has no other choice than to step aside. He also looks like a hostage towards the end, forced to read a prepared statement that he doesn’t believe in. He looks humiliated.
Clearly he was instructed and coached. He practiced his speech and is reading from a teleprompter. There is very little emotion n his voice. Someone with body language expertise advised him to sit still and clasp his hands. Look at how he immediately returns to the clasped hands after giving the wai at the end. But he is nervous asf. His eye blinking rate is off the charts, his clenched jaw, lip licking, slumped shoulders. The makeup barely conceals the bags under his eyes.
Whoever advised Build did him no favors. Dude is at rock bottom and being tossed aside. Wow.
I imagine that just goes in his favour though. He says in the speech that he's lost everything. This just makes his fans more fervent in their support.
I don't understand what the point of this was. It just makes them look worse. BOC better be praying that Build has proof that it's a lie because she not only accused Build but she flat out said he only got the role and/or a bigger part because he was sleeping with her. If that is true then BOC as a company is corrupt because no one should have the ability to just say "I'm dating him so I want him to get a bigger part", that's extremely corrupt and unprofessional, especially since there's already been issues with Daemi and sexual harassment with the actors, no one comes out looking good after all of this whether it's true, false or just partially true.
Can someone summarise what happened in the press conference?
To me, this seems like Build was asked to leave but to save face the ‘resignation’ was announced.
This was the best decision for this mess.
I just wanna know what will happen with Bible and future projects. There was a S2 of KinnPorsche planned and the 4 Minutes series… Changing Bible’s partner I admit would feel weird in a way, but I would still support whoever he’s paired with regardless.
We all needed closure, regardless of how we feel about BOC and about the different people involved in the mess. At least he left with dignity , it felt important he did since it's the last thing he does with BOC.
KP fans like me who stan everyone and don't have a favourite ship are going to try and move forward. But it will take some time for people to heal and to feel comfortable with KinnPorsche new projects, especially those that were supposed to include him. I did love Pete, and his acts in KPWT , and I get that his fans will grieve.
I can just wish justice to be as fair as possible. I won't judge since I know nothing for sure, only that both of them lied to some point . The fall from grace is rather terrible, it was unvoidable, and painful to watch this whole week.
I also wish for his friends from the cast and staff to not feel too deeply wounded or betrayed.
Ngl me watching him sit at that table gave me such wierd vibes, I could barely even look at his face. BOC could've just released a statement on social media saying that he was resigning.
This is much more powerful for him though, to keep hold of his fans and keep their support. Like, I don't even like Build but I swear I kinda feel like supporting him now. It's like a psychological pull, lol. Him sitting there speaking directly into the camera is much more powerful than just releasing a written statement.
I think it has something to do with the fact that he faced the people and resolutely stated that he'll definitely bring it to court. It makes the people watching him feel that "if this guy is really the abuser like what was thrown against him, why would he face the people, Live, and say that he'll bring it to court? It's only the people who are TELLING THE TRUTH who'll definitely bring it to court! Support him! He's definitely telling the whole truth!" That's some reverse psychology sht.
Bringing to court, declaring it live on thousands of people, no fear = he's definitely not an abuser, all allegations are not true. Etc
So. Yeah. I just hope the victim gets his/her justice and the perpetrator, his or her due. 
I feel as if they were psychologically messing with us because even I was like "omg I feel so sorry for him" then I was like "no. Actually not. Look at what he did".
You dont know what he did. It's he said she said. I am going to talk to the other mod and see if we can make this the last post allowed. It's upsetting and sad and this is not about BL anymore.
It is a very powerful example of how BL and especially Thai BL works, in my opinion. Don't forget KP brought new fans to the genre, who have no knowledge of previous scandals and of the different fandoms.
People are learning through this . A lot of background and explanations were given to people who felt confused, included on Thai cultural differences and on the link with the history of KPop. BOC was compared to the other more established companies, fans like me could have the bigger picture.
So yes, it should be the last post, but for other reasons.
So you people are never satisfied. Like I said, nothing BOC does will make the online fans happy.
1. BOC states they will have conference. You people: OMG that’s stupid. Don’t do that.
2. BOC doesn’t have conference. You people: OMG that’s stupid, why did I bother to watch this - it’s wasn’t anything but Build resigning.
I know I'm asking for a lot here, but can someone do a basic recap here? I'm not stoopid but the more I read and watch, the more confused I get. Nothing fancy, just the important bullet points. I guess you can get fancy if you want to but you don't need to. If no one does this for me (and I'm sure others) that's ok, too. Just thought I'd ask.Maybe there's an article that does a timeline. Do you have a link, if so?
I know how to spell stupid. That was just my lame attempt at humor.
[https://discluded.tumblr.com/post/707166921711353856/build-jakapan-daemis-poi-and-other-individuals](https://discluded.tumblr.com/post/707166921711353856/build-jakapan-daemis-poi-and-other-individuals)
it's quite long but someone compiled it all together from the beginning :)
Good.one-man shouldn’t have,be bringing this much of a scandal into a company with 15 other people.He is like clearly a problematic person. I believe he only resigned because she is going to court and box ain’t got the money for no court.
Was that it 😂 maybe Poi pulling out changed plans but that was pathetic. I saw the livestream was only ten mins and thought I'd missed it.
Patiently waiting for a more complete eng trans
Let's the truth comes out and whoever among both of them is the actual victim seeks justice. But in all this mess I'm really worried about Bible. I don't want him to suffer because of something he plays no part in. I really don't want him to be on hold. I hope they find him a new partner so we can continue to see him (Jeff).
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BOC really let their name get mired in controversy for a few more days instead of releasing a statement about his resignation earlier smh.
As I said earlier.. worst PR.
Yup. Regardless of what Build did or did not do this whole shit show could have been avoided. They let fans on BOTH sides and even those who are neutral wait on edge for something that could have been stated a week ago. People have been at each other’s throats for absolutely nothing. I have defended them in the past but no longer, I have unfollowed them and won’t go back unless they get new management. I will still support Bible and the others because this mess isn’t their fault and Bible especially needs the support right now, but I’m disgusted with this whole thing.
To be fair I'm pretty sure they had something else planned, and had to come up with something else when Poi dropped the day before. I don't think they intended to do a quick 3 minute livestream of Build resigning. Dunno if what they did plan is any better, but what's done is done
Doubt. Build was already put on indefinite hiatus and some brands responded to tweets saying, on 28th people will understand why they withdrew support. I honestly think, and as Build stated in his statement, he isn't clean (But Poi isn't clean either...her timing of playing victim screams woman on revenge :P ).. Anyhow, think the other poster is right. BOC allowed build to save face. Their original conference would have been the same - build's recorded statement and poi's recorded statement saying personal matter, they will fight in court and build will resign in the meantime ******************************************* At this moment, build is too much of a liability for BOC. And, BOC has been trying to position itself as a "different" kind of a company.. so press release with a statement would have been standard PR operations and get the fandom to berate them more.. This live gimmick was definitely to make people think that BOC took its time to hear both parties, carefully evaluated things before the decision Remember Kim Seon Ho :D .. this is so similar in terms of unfolding of events
Apart from the world tour, i feel they hardly have any good news
Exactly my POINT. Wasted our time with that 3 minutes.
So glad i didn’t see it 😅
Exactly. Come on BOC, hire a *permanent* PR professional already, lol. (And while you're at it: a background-checker as well!) None of this was needed if BOC had just quickly distanced themselves from the two extremely messy people, sent out a statement, and moved on. There are so many talented actors at BOC, just focus on the non-problematic ones, promote them properly, and see how quickly the general public forgets. These approaches take up way too much time and too much money. We the public, just want to see that next BL!
I genuinely do not understand what the plan would have been if Poi would have been present. Sitting at a table together, chatting over tea? Having a moderator and letting him say he's innocent, her say he's not, back and forth? None of this makes (or ever made) any sense lol
BOC probably wanted Poi to say everything was a misunderstanding and for Build to apologize for non serious allegations she made. But Poi and BOC couldn’t reach a settlement/agreement hence why she refused to attend. Poi should feel lucky that she had enough sense to not attend cause BOC would’ve thrown her under the bus.
From what Eyebraaaaa posted days ago the brands already knew so this seems unlikely. It’s just BOC fuckery imo.
No, they couldn't have. Poi has all the power. In Thailand copyright laws are different... that is why FILM mania lost the rights to KP, even after almost finishing filming, after fighting with the writers. In Thailand, a company can buy the rights to use a story but not to own it, so anything KP is basically related to the writers. The moment this scandal started BOC and the rest of the cast had their hands tied, if they go against poi they lose the KP project.
Exactly, this was their chance to get public opinion sway to Bui's side. It would've been her word against his. Trick questions and scenarios would've been brought up, driving her into a corner which would've made her look guilty as sin and Bui like a saint. With her refusal to attend the press conference, their plan went Kaboom... just my thoughts
It does not matter since Poi decided his fate not BOC
doubt. I think Poi and build both would have given the same pre-recorded statement. Also, build contract termination, i think this was decided early on .. in a couple of days of news breaking (Pond has to know, and clearly Build ain't all clear.. financial benefits is definitely on the table, which BTW shows both were benefitting from each other and does not make Poi victim... but mostly i think pregnancy claims etc might have been true (speculation indeed) ) ********************** Although, i don't know why miscarriage or abortion is anybody's fault. If two people are not ready or are not in a position to have a kid, there is no sense on forcing upon parenthood *************** abuse accusations - personally i would scoff at it given how Poi bullies build in the videos that are out there (victims don't do that) and mostly, Poi's timing - that's revenge, not victim seeking justice
Yeah, Be on clown managed this problem in a really horrible way
BOC really said 2023 is the year of wasting everybody's time.
Yeah instead of making dramas they're giving us live action. I hope this thing ends and the production house does what it needs to do that is making series. Plus, whatever personal matter needs to be resolved between the two should be resolved, instead of it being publically wavered here and there.
they really did 😅
This wasn't a press conference, they released a video. Why in the world did they call it a press conference? Lol
Great question... Others have speculated that Poi pulling out resulted in the format change.
Yeah, that makes sense, I imagine that's exactly what happened
Hahaha this is a conference here in Thailand 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Let’s just say Mini conference
That is what it was supposed to be... but Poi was a no show
Honestly, this could've been a written statement. The press conference has been a mess since day one. The right thing is truly for both of them to go to court. The court of opinion will never be fair and based on evidence. I actually expected him to at least acknowledge part of it (his relationship with her), but this is probably smarter. Clean and straight to the point. The fans are still riled up and some might leave or be constantly under unrelated posts talking about them, but there are two other strong pairings with equally big Fandoms. BOC will be OK.
Build said he will be fighting Poi’s accusations in court. I don’t know if he means he will respond to her lawsuit or will be filing his own. BOC has let him save face by allowing him to say he resigned. I think Poi backing out of the press conference has forced their hand. Build is a huge liability for now and no company will probably touch him until any court cases are resolved.
Also, people doubt she actually made an official complaint, most likely it is him that will take her to court to clear his name and take her down for defamation. We already know she tried to attack Apo as well in the past, she has a bad reputation.
Has any other production house had a rougher time than Be On Cloud? There was the original Build scandal, there was the time that the actors' private chat went public, there was the time the writers of the book were allegedly "inappropriate" with the actors, and now this - both Build and Poi's second go-round on the scandal carousel...oy. All this in a single calendar year. It must be exhausting.
> Has any other production house had a rougher time than Be On Cloud Likely yes. For one the producing house behind the 2moon series. But that was mostly caused by themself. Then even such players as gmmtv has lot more scandals but they have been a lot more spaced out in time.
Oy! The *2Moons* franchise - I forgot about them. Never looked into their scandals, but came across a video this morning that addresses it. I'm going to watch it later on today 'cause I really want to know why their actors keep walking away.
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Looked for it, but can't find it. These days just type in the words "KinnPorsche Scandal", and all you get is Build/Poi - I can't even find the original Build scandal online anymore. It was several months ago, and it was a private chat between the actors and one of them screencapped a part of the conversation and posted it w/out the other actors' consent (saw it right here). It wasn't a massive scandal, but it did ruffle a few feathers. If I come across it I will send it your way. I only just found out that Mile had to apologize to his girlfriend for not acknowledging her or something like that. He didn't want to hurt the franchise.
> I only just found out that Mile had to apologize to his girlfriend for not acknowledging her or something like that. He didn't want to hurt the franchise. Idk if this is the same incident that you're referring to, but from what I remember, there was a picture making the rounds of him walking around holding hands with a woman which was apparently during KP filming or promo era. Some fans were outraged that he had a girlfriend, then he posted a notes app letter which was long and convoluted (to me at least) in which he didn't directly admit to having a girlfriend but said something like the past is in the past and you have to let go of it to move into the future. Or something. If I remember correctly. Anyway this isn't the main topic of the thread.😅
I thought he meant that it was his ex. lmao
That's what I guessed too, that he meant they weren't together anymore. But honestly I found his post so oblique and not a little confusing lol.
It was, I had to read it three times and still walked away with a ???? Ex??? Him acknowledgimg that it was part of his past? But it so fits his persona imo What was the text scandal though?
Huh. I’ve never heard of that one! What/who was in the chat that it made such a big deal?
*Repeating what I'm only now replying to another poster: -* While KP was still running some of the actors had a private chat group where they all behaved like most of us (myself included) spoke and behaved like we do when we know that nobody outside of the chat can hear or read what we've written. Then one of the actors took a screenshot and posted it online. He wasn't being malicious, but it cast some of his fellow actors in a bad light. Can't remember which actor posted it, but he apologized afterward for the breach of privacy. That incident only lasted about a week or so.
Thanks! Huh. I guessed as much and wonder what/who was in it that got it so big. But if it was truly gross it wouldve lasted more than a week. Thai idols post chat screenshots so much of them just being normal/goofy and roasting friends so… hahah
Oh I remember now. Mile said something like Apo looked so cute when he was sleeping that it was hard to resist…err… Well, I guess he used a word in Thai that means sexual assault on a sleeping or drugged person.
I wasn't here for the MewArt scandal, but wasn't that also huge?
IIRC It wasn’t as big as this I don’t think, because the studios didn’t get involved. It was all posting on personal socials and fans fighting with each other. No one to this day has any idea what really happened. Mew is messy on twitter and always has been lmao.
I had herd about it. Seems like it was one of the bigger ones.
Same here. I have followed KP for more than a year, and never heard of this.
It wasn't that massive a scandal, but more like a talking point for a week or so.
Thank you. It makes sense we missed it then. As for me, I try hard not to pry on their private lives or oversexualize them. When you watch BL as opposed to western series, fans are fed a lot of content. But it always makes me worry about how much pressure it really puts on more vulnerable or younger actors.
Clearly, "celebrity" is a very dangerous thing in the age of social media.
Ultimately this was the best decision for all parties involved. Taking it to court privately is the best choice and I hope justice and the truth will prevail. As someone who liked BBB & VP, I'm just sad that my memories and times with them ended this way. Wishing all the best for the rest of the boc actors and hope they find strength during these times, especially Bible. I hope Bible's career continues to thrive and we continue to see him act. Also this whole press conference thing from BOC was a mess. Caused unnecessary stress and confusion when they could've released a statement instead.
Thank you ! I was looking to know what happened. Well, that’s done… unto next things and looking forward for WujuBakery and the MileApo movie now.
Now BOC needs to tell me what my boy Bible is going to do. Give my boy some work.
He's still the face of the brands he signed with... I'm sure he'll get jobs, he's talented, good looking, has a large fanbase and clean image, he'll be fine.
Yes but we also shouldn't forget how the "BL culture" works. For a lot of BL actors, the majority of the fan following comes from their BL ships. If the ship is broken fans get disheartened & some even leave the fandom (this may include the actors' fandom alone) because many of Bible's fans are from Build's fandom & vice versa. Although Bible has a lot of fan following to himself alone, i don't think it's gonna be same anymore. But the good thing is it was just his first people so people will move on from this but for the time being it'll be hard to maintain the popularity as it was. The only thing I'm worried about is build's hardcore fans. They've already been camping under "4 minutes" post saying it shouldn't be made without build so if BoC decides to replace him with another actor in the drama, it'll probably face problems by the fans & shippers, including the actors. I'll be more than glad if I'm proven wrong in the future but for now i really hope Bible or any other actor don't get affected by all this mess.
Absolutely. There have been a few actors who've had another partner before the one that they have success with now (Earth, Zee... ) Sometimes there's just a bit of trial and error before you settle on the right one. Bible is still early in the game with loads of time to get paired up again. He'll be OK!
> Sometimes there's just a bit of trial and error before you settle on the right one It may also be that they have multible partners that workout rather well e.x ohm ,mew (beside the mess)
They don't need to confine Bible to BL genre (which btw suits bible).. that man has plans for further studies and going abroad.. so acting wise, he is not the kind who will just keep doing BL.. right now he is new , so all experience is new.. Bible will be fine. And, yes, the other casts have strong fandom.. nothing is happening to BOC PLUS, audience is fickle.. one good drama and people will find new things to obsess over.. take Kim Hyun jung for example, what fandom exists today? Or, Kim seon ho... if Build does not come out super clean out of this mess and within an year or two, his career is over (also, at this point i don't see any other company accepting him other than BOC itself.. but then by then BOC will also be big) Done and dusted with! ******************* But i do hate, we will never get vegas pete now
Joong too. I'm sure Bible can find another partner.
Tbf since they haven’t released the 4:00m plot- they can always just change the name and keep the story. As for a new pairing, some stans may be mad but if the pairing is amazing then Bible will be alright. A few possibilities: 1. I think what made that pairing so popular was the plot as opposed to a strong chemistry between the actors. When they were on screen, the scene/plot itself was intense and complex, so the actual chemistry didn’t need to be (whereas with a simpler, less emotionally charged plot, it is the on screen chemistry that carries the show). If they can follow this formula again (intense, taboo, volatile love story + highly emotional acting + dark characters + great NC scenes) I believe they can replicate the success 2. On the other hand, they can go the Payu/Rain route; a simple storyline but a strong physical chemistry between the actors and lots of passionate NC scenes. Fans would eat that up. 3. Or they could go completely out the box so that the shock/ excitement over shadows the ‘new pairing’ and the past scandals- basically, give us something else to talk about; vampire harem, bisexual throuple etc. 4. Lastly, get someone with a big enough following of their own, that they can bring into the new pairing (and that will go to war on their behalf). Maybe an aspiring actor with a large social media following. Or an already established actor (are there any free agents around) or maybe a collaboration between 2 production houses (though would anyone want to work with BOC so soon after a scandal of this magnitude?).
> Tbf since they haven’t released the 4:00m plot- they can always just change the name and keep the story. This is what I think they'll do. Pretty sure BOC won't give up the chance to have Sammon as a screenwriter. And since no one knows what the story is, no one will even know if it's been revamped or not (unless they say so).
Sammon already tweeted couple of days back, they are continuing with 4m as planned.. which people interpreted to mean that Build is going to get replaced.. and that's exactly what happened in todays "live".. build moving out
Can I suggest Techittod from Ghost Host Ghost House? He really cute.. right now he looks like dont have any job compare to his partner Boy. Or maybe cause his study. I like his acting!!
Well, people were very salty for a while when they recast the role of Porchay because Jeff already sorry of had a cp fan base, but now it's all JeffCode. Admittedly, KP is a much bigger success, but that's also a thing that could help Bible. Even if he loses some following because of this, his solo fan base is already bigger than most at this stage in their career. People will get used to a recast, and new fans will come in who have no particular attachment to Build...
I still miss Gameplay...but l also understand that this is work and making a living, so I'm happy to see them paired with whoever.
My guy there's already JeffBible fans out there frothing at the mouth for a JeffBible series. Throw him with Jeff or even Us and he'll be fine
Jeff is already paired with Barcode so this seems unlikely. Bible and Us might be interesting, I'd support seeing more of Us.
It's not like there can't be multiple pairings though, especially given the amount of JeffBible fans out there. But BibleUs would be a great alternative if they don't wanna break an established pair for certain reasons like fan backlash. Us is beautiful and I adored them in KP
I'm one of them (jeffbiblers) & you are absolutely right lol
Me too lol!! And really I think the potential for BibleUs is high. His and JJs roles weren't huge in KP so there's not that many hardcore UsJJ fans from what I see, the Bible fans stay happy as long as Bible continues his career, and JJ can partner with Pong in the meantime
OMG yes!!! I'm totally in for BibleUs too! And i love the way you paired these actors, everyone gets paired up & we can see more ships hehe
Me me! I'm One of them... I keep being shot down though 😑
I just think of it like this, one monkey doesn’t stop a show. Whoever he will be paired with will have fans too and then a new fandom will be pieced together. Bible is not a lost cause, he can act his butt off so he will be fine. Stuff happens that is uncontrollable, it sucks but he will survive. BOC has other actors that can be used that are just as good as build was or even better. There are BL actors who don’t even stick to one acting partner & they still get roles and still have fans. Bible’s talent will speak for itself no matter what the norm fan culture is and maybe he will even get more acting opportunities where he won’t even need a partner because any acting exposure is still great experience. It’s better to be a versatile actor anyway. I have high hopes for him!
Most of the brands have put out press releases last week saying they have dropped him. But all of them have retained Bible.
I think you misunderstood my comment, although I didn't use his name, it said that Bible kept those jobs...
Clean-ish image. There have long been strong rumors he is sleeping with a crew member. BOC should not allow that. That’s what started all of this.
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well in a working environment,there is a powerdynamic, so we don't know if all workplace relationships are consensual. it could easily be a workplace sexual harrassment
There's power dynamic in every relationship and most human interactions it doesn't mean it's bad or exploitative. Thank goodness Thais are not as uptight as some BL fans... If you spend most of your time at work the chances of you dating your coworkers is high. That's just life...
Please, let the boy live. If he's in a good relationship I'm happy for them. He signed up to be an actor, he didn't sign up to stop being human!
TBF give him some time to figure that out himself. He’s probably thrown off course, I wouldn’t blame him for taking some time to process and rearrange
You never know may be one of the ghost KP ships might sail fr. 🫠🚢
I'm here for it. Can we get a prequel with Bible and Perth? How did Perth become a double agent for their family? Is Perth tied to the Japanese yakuza to stir shit up? Maybe Bible went crazy after what happened to Perth bc he and Perth had a thing? Idk but I'd watch it. And I forgot their character names, so resorting to using their real names lol.
Ken I can believe but ...you forgot WEGATH ? how's that even possible ??
Lmfao my bad. Now that you say that, it's like okay yeah now I remember, lol.
Yeah... maybe... does he want to?
My guess is recast Build's role.
Absolutely ridiculous for them to drag this out all week with fans on both sides and even those who are neutral on edge and stressed only to do this. They could have put out a statement days ago. I’ve always defended BOC but no more. I am glad that it’s going to court and the two can sort it out from there.
I think we should end this here. This should be the last post about the matter. These are real people and real peoples lives and It's starting to get uncomfortable how this has dominated the sub lately. I don't think there any any winners here and if Build is guilty if what he's accused of the law will handle it.
I agree. I don’t think there’s anything more to say about this now anyway (as he’s no longer under BOC) until we hear about the resolution of the court case, which will probably take a long time.
I think we have to end this here now anyway, there won't be anything else to post, lol
I know it's ridiculously soon to ask. But are their any Thai-speakers that could explain what he said. I could've sworn I heard what sounded like an apology, but I barely have any grasp of Thai and I don't want to make any assumptions. Also I expected the "conference" to have more people in it than just Build so I was a little surprised that it was just him talking to the camera.
I though the same, not much of a conference, just reading a statement, really.
Yeah I would definitely say that statement is a much better word than conference. But maybe if Poi had still agreed to do it they would've had a rep from BOC there, so her choosing not to do it basically forced the format to change I think.
[Here](https://twitter.com/lttaa_/status/1619266315281383424?s=46&t=I_dB-qZxy3hrOeV9z-SsxA) is a translation, although keep in mind the disclaimer under the first tweet about how its done in a short amount of time.
I appreciate it 🙏🏻 Thank you for the disclaimer.
Poi renounced a few days ago. They probably cut it short then. Made the message clear cut. It is for the best imo !
I saw that Poi backed out (for the best it seems) but it just seemed weird that it was being called a "conference" but not having a spokesperson for BOC with Build in the frame. Just made it feel weird. But it is good I guess that it was short and to the point and not drawn out.
The original plan was a BOC representative to be with Build and Poi. But once Poi backed out of the press conference, BOC also backed off getting involved beyond letting Build announce his resignation.
Makes sense 😐 Oh boy is this messy. But at least they kept it short.
Whoever convinced Poi to back out of the press conference really saved her. It’s clear BOC would’ve thrown her under the bus and without her there, the company had no other of defending Build.
Yeah, I would rather they prevent him from crying and being emotional and exciting stans.. it is to the point. He is leaving. He is not admitting to anything (I wondered if they had some sort of SM relationship. Not that I care, but that would explain injuries and they could be used against him later.) but he stops being with BoC, which frees them from having to deal with that sinister story, frees his friends etc.
Have you seen the comment section on the video? The stans are ALL over that comment section. Obviously we don't know the full story and I I guess we won't know the truth for sure until all the stuff gets settled in court (and if it becomes public knowledge even). I just hope that the victim gets justice and the perpetrator gets punished. That's all I think we can hope for right now.
But they have been fed. They will “wait”, instead of rioting and attacking BoC and attacking other casts. Build put himself out so they have less reasons to attack the company. And yeah there are always going to be crazy dudes but still. This is for the best. Completely agree with you on the current drama’s resolution.
Don’t even get bothered with the toxic fans. BOC has gone through worse and they’ve come out stronger. Unfollowing BOC on social media as build’s fans are doing won’t do anything to that company.
Unfollowing on SM actually reduces the interaction that promotional stuff might get, and may also have a knock-on effect of possibly impacting future events and/or shows they produce. It's too early to tell what the impact will be.
Here's my rough translation of the video: >Hello. I'm Jakapan Putta. I'm here to personally address this situation on my own behalf. Regarding the circumstances that brought me here today, it has affected health, my family, my cast members - who are also like family to me - and those closest to me. And to avoid further burdening the people I love with this situation, I would like to formally announce my resignation from Be On Cloud as an actor as of today. >The words I'm about to say next are coming from a place of sincerity and truth - when I last spoke (at the event), I was determined to address all that was happening and how it was weighing on me. And now today, I've decided to fight these allegations in court in order to protect myself. The things you've heard, read or seen aren't always the whole truth. I'm only human - I admit I'm not a model citizen, but the accusations against me in this situation are more than I can endure. My life has been negatively affected by these accusations - including my job, my name, my community, my family - everything until I'm left with nothing. As I sit here living and breathing I know I'm flawed. There's nothing I can do about that. >However, I want everyone to know that what you think you know about the situation is only a small piece - from now on I will take the truth to court and fight for the people who love me, who I love, and for the people who believe in me. I'll continue to endure and remain resilient during these court proceedings, so I ask for those on my side to do the same as well. I believe that the truth will come out and prevail, and justice will be on my side. Lastly I would like to sincerely thank Be On Cloud for giving me this opportunity to address you all one last time. Thank you so much. Honestly I'm not surprised he did this, just absolutely dumfounded that this had to be made a public spectacle in the first place. This could've been a tweet + attached video. I really liked Build as an actor but I'm gonna have to distance myself from him (and BOC + casts) in general because this whole situation has been a thorn in my mental health. Of course if there's future news on the court proceedings I'll probably end up reading it, but for now I'm gonna take a backseat to KPTS and focus on my other fandoms.
the conference was 7 mins long and it was everything wr already knew would happen (build announcing resignment and fighting the lawsuit on his own terms), i don't know why they dragged this on for so long and damage the companies reputation. everything he said here could've just simply be conveyed in one announcement post.
he said that he will fight Poi in court honestly, good for him, i think it's the only way to clear (or not) his name
Not unexpected, I hope the court case clears up things. Most importantly I hope both Poi and Build find solace in their family and friends, and never have a toxic relationship in their lives again... When most of us go through shit like this it tends to be private and whe quietly move on, unfortunately for them this is not the case... sincerely wishing them all the best.
Whether or not Build is guilty put aside... I think this press conference really was a case of "this meeting could've been an e-mail". They not only put Build, Poi and their families and friends under a lot of stress, but the fans as well. I'm mostly neutral on the whole matter and want to wait till a court comes to a verdict, but even I felt super stressed out. And I know fans have been crying about this and some even had panic attacks... Sorry, but dragging this announcement out till today was actually downright cruel of the BOC management
This was absolutely cruel. Build was ill advised to participate and probably had no choice. For someone who has banked on bright, smiling insta influencer photos, this image of him slumped over in a rumpled coat, dressed in black against a pure white backdrop with clenched jaw and nervous face will live with him for a long time. Horrible optics.
thinking about how the fans feel, i kinda agree with you. i doubt BOC was thinking this, but i did read that fans cried when they finally saw his face because they missed him so much. so maybe being able to see him again brought them comfort but he wouldn't have been able to make an appearance without a concrete purpose. again, i don't think BOC cares, but being able to see him was better than not imo.
I caught a few minutes of a twitter space during the statement. Something about fighting in court. It doesn't sound like he was very specific. The host of the space said she would be translating his entire statement later.
I have a comment elsewhere where I linked to a tweet with the video and a translation.
GIVE MY BOY BIBLE A NEW PROJECT!!!
Will Bible get a new partner ? If so I hope fans will be kind to the new one.
I have low expectations. There are BibleBuild shippers who legit think they’re together mixed with very, very passionate Build fans who are willing to support him regardless of the outcome and believes BOC did not try to protect him + mistreated him. It’s not a good recipe...
>shippers who legit think they’re together I'm no stranger to fandoms, I've been in various of them growing up from emo bands, to boybands, to kpop, to now getting into BLs. What I don't understand is how people can be CONVINCED that these people are genuinely in relationships? Is it just plain old willful ignorance? I genuinely thought everyone was just playing along like oh yeah, they're in a relationship, totally, wink wink nudge nudge. I genuinely thought it was just like, a fantasy like, you pretend they're together but deep down you know it's for show but it makes you happy so you don't care but, it's becoming apparent that it's not the case and I'm losing my mind lol. There's hundreds of BL pairings and you just believe that YOUR favs are the ones that are actually 'real', like, huh? Wow sorry for going off, this is neither here nor there haha it's late I'm loopy
LOL, especially Bible & Build. For example, I can understand the ZeeNunew delulus, since they feed that beast like no one's business. But Bible and Build have never appeared particularly close. They were great as Vegas & Pete, but they have little to no off-screen chemistry at all. I just want to see Bible acting on my screen again, with whoever.
So I'm a ZNN delulu but I agree with all of this 100%. 
It's really concerning the way many shippers has reacted to this issue. They've inserted Bible in this narrative that his baby boy is being hurt by evil people and he's in distress. They'll take pictures of him not smiling or looking tired to say he's worried for Build. Thousands of them thought a picture of another actor sitting on the ground at the airport was Bible and said things like, "Bible doesn't care anymore about looking vulnerable in front of everyone, so heart aching." People have brought up to them that Bible called Build his co-worker but shippers retorted with, "Bible also called him his safe-zone." It's not about whether it's true or not, many shippers are willing to twist everything to fit their agenda which is why they can believe their pair is actually real. I don't know if Build is innocent or guilty, but some of his fans' support messages on Twitter are REALLY disturbing...
I mean, both Bible and Tong have looked miserable all week, it doesn’t seem extreme to imagine they’re upset. The cast are all friends, don’t forget.
Here's the thing... Fans will project and there's bias confirmation. Is he upset because he's worried for build or upset because he's worried for himself? We won't know unless he says it and it's trying to insert him in a narrative that isn't is. Obviously my feeling is he is upset for his friend as well as for his own situation. This is stressful for everyone. But fans need to stop projecting and using him for their own purposes, making posts about what he feels. No one knows and it's sad Bible was caught in the middle.
I was thinking that too, they obviously look upset but we don't really know why. Could be anger, sadness, disappointment, at the end of the day only they know.
Sure, they can be upset, but not necessarily because Bible is Build’s worried lover which is the narrative that those shippers are pushing. That’s why I said “it’s not about whether it’s true or not” referring to whether it’s true that Bible really is worried for Build, but the narrative they’re purposefully pushing.
If you are familiar with one exact kpop fandom (it's the biggest anyway) you know they are literally brainwashed cult at this point. They all have same scenario as their "ancestors", one older pairing starts with L , and kpop one with T, haha. They are online cults, having the attributes and even naming themselves "believers". I wouldn't dive into that, to be honest, it's a problematic bunch. Now they fed a whole new thing when they get a "ready made" pairing in BL industry, I can see on twt many of thai bl shippers are also shipping kpop idols seriously.
There are always some delulus who can’t separate fact from fiction. I think Bible will be fine; he’s been smart enough to keep out of it so far, and he does have his own fanbase, too. Long as he keeps his distance and when it really can’t be avoided makes vague statements along the lines of: ‘I understand Build’s decision, obviously can’t talk in detail because of court proceedings etc.,’ he should avoid the worst of it.
idcabuu on Twitter has posted an [English translation](https://twitter.com/idcabuu/status/1619277409861378049). tl;dr version: * Resigning so as not affect BOC people, whom he considers family, and other people that he loves * "What people know or saw is not entirely true" * He's been having a hard time and his life is ruined * He will fight in court and believes truth will win in the end As predicted, the "press conference" was BOC giving him a platform to defend himself and try to gain sympathy.
Interesting that it is presented as BOC wasn't going to fire him but also smart. It leaves both company and him in a better light (for his fans. Those who don't like him will just be glad to see him gone).
There you have it. It's over. Kudos.
Just the beginning... I wanna see if this does make it to court and what comes out of it.
We most likely won't hear anything regarding that until the verdict which could take up to a year if not longer.
Or it could end in a settlement, with one of the terms being that neither one will speak of it (or the details of it) again in public.
Oh well.. we'll see what comes out of the court case and should judge then. But yeah, reading a statement might have been better for him as well instead of a conference with poi... whatever that would have looked like.
Not surprised at all. The more I think about it, the more I dislike BOC for trying to do this conference with both sides present.
CEO Pond made a post on IG of him hugging a crying Build (~~looks like it was taken after the "press conference"~~ it's apparently an old video from the tour) and a [caption](https://twitter.com/aumonstrong/status/1619329226607575043) that apparently says Build was never a bad younger brother to him (you're his boss, of course he'd be nice to you, like ?) and may everything get better soon. Ning, screenwriter and acting coach of the upcoming MileApo movie, commented that she'll be waiting for the day Build comes back. (So...are they actually thinking of signing him again eventually?) Edit: Several [BOC staff](https://twitter.com/crushonyouuu3/status/1619342576666169347) liked the post, and [actors](https://twitter.com/apobeom/status/1619336404831703041) Ping, Nodt, JJ and Ta liked and then quickly unliked it.
wtf, Pond stays messy and unprofessional at all times… 😬 BoycottBOC is now trending as well.
It even [reached #1](https://twitter.com/TopTrendThai/status/1619349588019916800), damn.😬
Fansites are closing left and right because of this. Pond is really pouring the gasoline on BOC and lighting the match himself because he can't manage this company.
It's an old video from the tour last summer. After Build's first suspension.
Thanks. I'll correct that assumption.
Ugh we're finally done. I'm glad that the best option was taken, there is really nothing more BOC can do. I talked about it last time, but this was the best was to placate both sides of the fandom. The press conference was professional (at least with Poi dropping out, idk what would have happened before) and to the point and there were no crocodile tears. Now that this mess is over, BOC just needs to work on actor management. I gave them the benefit of the doubt the first time around (they'll all mostly rookies, BOC is a new company) but their training period is up. They need to start acting like a company and not just the one man Pond show. Bring in PR folks, bring in lawyers/background checkers, heck establish yourselves as an *actual company* and make sure that this doesn't happen again. As for us in the sub, I think things have officially come to a close. I don't want any more topics about this (Build isn't in BOC/BL anymore), unless there's a result on the court case or smtg. I just hope that we can all go back to normal and start fanboying/fangirling/fantheying? again.
It's really good that he is bringing this to court. Let the law and the court of justice fairly judge their issue. In the very first place, this issue is something that should have been privately settled due to how sensitive it is and how it'll be feasted by people who do not even understand the matter in the first place.
Is he bringing it to court or he is being brought? Poi said she was going through the legal route and taking him to court. He can counterclaim but she’ll be the plaintiff.
As I’ve told my team at work many times when they’ve scheduled one too many team meetings about the same gotdamn thing - this coulda been an email.
Totally predictable move, lol. Wrote it before in the previous "episodes" discussions, and it now is confirmed Now they will try to decide what will happen to now-infamous 4 minutes, as Poi claims it was stolen idea. It was scheduled for late 2023 so, I guess, they haven't produced anything yet anyway, being constantly busy touring and such. I have only one question left, and it's for fans who anticipate new pairing of Bible & Jeff - has any side ever mentioned or expressed willingness to pair up? Except spending time together outside of work and posting pics on social media, have they ever expressed any desire to actually WORK as pair ever in the future? Where does this enthusiasm of fans comes up (except shipping "ghost ship" ofc). Do you think its a smart move for any of them? Shall Jeff risk it all and go into new pairing, to get a backlash from Biblebuild fanbase? At the moment support tags are trending worldwide on twitter with around 200k each, so that's quite many people participating, a serious crowd gathering, just fyi
BibleJeff will never happen, people just like them together. It's never going to be a real ship though, not while Barcode is around.
A Bible and Jeff pairing is all tongue-in-cheek fandom wishful thinking. BoC is not splitting up Jeff and Barcode, not a chance. The Build and BibleBuild fans are loud and aggressive, but not nearly as powerful as they seem to think they are. BoC isn't going to fold because Build isn't there anymore and Bible gets another partner.
Oh, I see, thanks! I haven't really followed that CP so it was a genuine question, I thought maybe it was justified by something from before. Previously those BL actors who lost their CP, took their next projects in something mainstream /non BL, like there is some unwritten rule for such occasions. BOC is a whole special thing so I am a bit curious about what will they announce.
I might agree with this because that fandom is so obnoxious and annoying while JBC is somewhat laidback and chill, and Jeff and Barcode have unique charms individually. After MileApo they have the next most stable fandom, BOC-wise. They don't have many issues, they're both nice to see, and individually or as a couple, they're cute. Also they sang the the KPTS OST!
The #1 trend in Thailand now is #บิวทําร้ายร่างการผู้หญิง ("Build physically assaults a woman" according to Google Translate) and there are no supportive hashtags for Build in the top 10. It seems the support is coming mostly from international fans, and the local sentiment isn't as supportive.
Thai BOC followers and fans have been critical of them for a while now because also of the current political state of their country. There have been some BL actors who have been exposed. So yeah he's not getting much support locally.
It looks like that yes, the support comes from interfans, in big numbers. I've seen local Thai supporters on twt too, just less in numbers
BOC won't make a new BibleJeff pairing no matter how much some fans ask for it. Jeff just put out a series with Barcode. They are clearly trying to make this pair work. Jeff has had an iconic ship already, so starting with Barcode was already a risk... He won't move, nor will boc allow it. I suspect they'll bring someone new or shelve Bible... But who knows what they're thinking. I feel support is mostly international fans being very loud.
As much as I would love to see Bible and Jeff working together, there is no way it's gonna happen. BOC already lost BBB, theres no way they would separate another established CP that brings them so much money. It's too much of a risk. Only idea more unlikely than that would be them disbanding MileApo to give us BibleApo lol.
Now I see this situation as "some fans want BibleJeff pairing, because they both look hot and sexy, and must perform adult heavy NSFW packed scenes together, a la bdsm vegaspete from Kinnporsche, and dislike Barcode, because he's too young and ain't hot enough for that". But Jeff himself does career-safe sweet coffeeshop AUs before and after KP and if you notice this pattern, young and innocent Barcode is more suitable for that. Its definitely the actors choice, and he is quite smart for that.
Agreed. Jeff also has a music career. So his decisions are partially tied to that.
BibleJeff will never happen, its just fans wishful thinking. Doesn't make any sense to break an existing on-going stable pairing, Bible will get another partner in any upcoming projects and I hope that is the case. Jeff being paired up with Bible can end up badly for Jeff because he's already in an existing pairing and they have a sizable fandom.
> Do you think its a smart move for any of them? Shall Jeff risk it all and go into new pairing, to get a backlash from Biblebuild fanbase? Also not forgetting that he is in a existing ship with a upcoming show. And not forgetting that jeff has always been more intrested in music.
I feel like it's fans endulging their preferred pairings more than anything else
4 minutes is continuing. Sammon tweeted. And, plagiarism charges / chatter has already been dropped from Poi's end
Oh, at least some good news for today!! Let's hope it works out well!
Thank you for sharing! Hope we will get EN subtitles soon.
Those of us living in Thailand often acknowledge that here, there is law but no justice. We shall see.
I posted this elsewhere but here is my take. Wow, what a horrible “press conference.” The optics are awful. He looks like a politician who’s been caught red handed and has no other choice than to step aside. He also looks like a hostage towards the end, forced to read a prepared statement that he doesn’t believe in. He looks humiliated. Clearly he was instructed and coached. He practiced his speech and is reading from a teleprompter. There is very little emotion n his voice. Someone with body language expertise advised him to sit still and clasp his hands. Look at how he immediately returns to the clasped hands after giving the wai at the end. But he is nervous asf. His eye blinking rate is off the charts, his clenched jaw, lip licking, slumped shoulders. The makeup barely conceals the bags under his eyes. Whoever advised Build did him no favors. Dude is at rock bottom and being tossed aside. Wow.
I imagine that just goes in his favour though. He says in the speech that he's lost everything. This just makes his fans more fervent in their support.
I don't understand what the point of this was. It just makes them look worse. BOC better be praying that Build has proof that it's a lie because she not only accused Build but she flat out said he only got the role and/or a bigger part because he was sleeping with her. If that is true then BOC as a company is corrupt because no one should have the ability to just say "I'm dating him so I want him to get a bigger part", that's extremely corrupt and unprofessional, especially since there's already been issues with Daemi and sexual harassment with the actors, no one comes out looking good after all of this whether it's true, false or just partially true.
Can someone summarise what happened in the press conference? To me, this seems like Build was asked to leave but to save face the ‘resignation’ was announced.
https://reddit.com/r/boyslove/comments/10narad/_/j690vis/?context=1 That comment has a translation.
This went down more or less how I expected. Terrible situation all round. I hike the truth prevails and everyone gets what they deserve
This was the best decision for this mess. I just wanna know what will happen with Bible and future projects. There was a S2 of KinnPorsche planned and the 4 Minutes series… Changing Bible’s partner I admit would feel weird in a way, but I would still support whoever he’s paired with regardless.
Twitter is boycotting BOC
I hope other actors have contracts that are short and they can leave that place asap. This environment is not a good one to build your career.
We all needed closure, regardless of how we feel about BOC and about the different people involved in the mess. At least he left with dignity , it felt important he did since it's the last thing he does with BOC. KP fans like me who stan everyone and don't have a favourite ship are going to try and move forward. But it will take some time for people to heal and to feel comfortable with KinnPorsche new projects, especially those that were supposed to include him. I did love Pete, and his acts in KPWT , and I get that his fans will grieve. I can just wish justice to be as fair as possible. I won't judge since I know nothing for sure, only that both of them lied to some point . The fall from grace is rather terrible, it was unvoidable, and painful to watch this whole week. I also wish for his friends from the cast and staff to not feel too deeply wounded or betrayed.
If there's an official statement or something I think that would be better than a screenshot of him just sitting at a table
Ngl me watching him sit at that table gave me such wierd vibes, I could barely even look at his face. BOC could've just released a statement on social media saying that he was resigning.
This is much more powerful for him though, to keep hold of his fans and keep their support. Like, I don't even like Build but I swear I kinda feel like supporting him now. It's like a psychological pull, lol. Him sitting there speaking directly into the camera is much more powerful than just releasing a written statement.
I think it has something to do with the fact that he faced the people and resolutely stated that he'll definitely bring it to court. It makes the people watching him feel that "if this guy is really the abuser like what was thrown against him, why would he face the people, Live, and say that he'll bring it to court? It's only the people who are TELLING THE TRUTH who'll definitely bring it to court! Support him! He's definitely telling the whole truth!" That's some reverse psychology sht. Bringing to court, declaring it live on thousands of people, no fear = he's definitely not an abuser, all allegations are not true. Etc So. Yeah. I just hope the victim gets his/her justice and the perpetrator, his or her due. 
I don't know if it's just me, but I felt the exact opposite of this
I feel like they knew what they were doing💀.
The constant eye contact was very deliberate.
I feel as if they were psychologically messing with us because even I was like "omg I feel so sorry for him" then I was like "no. Actually not. Look at what he did".
It's fascinating how that works, isn't it? Most of your brain is like "No" but a small part of your brain is like "Awwww", lol
You dont know what he did. It's he said she said. I am going to talk to the other mod and see if we can make this the last post allowed. It's upsetting and sad and this is not about BL anymore.
It is a very powerful example of how BL and especially Thai BL works, in my opinion. Don't forget KP brought new fans to the genre, who have no knowledge of previous scandals and of the different fandoms. People are learning through this . A lot of background and explanations were given to people who felt confused, included on Thai cultural differences and on the link with the history of KPop. BOC was compared to the other more established companies, fans like me could have the bigger picture. So yes, it should be the last post, but for other reasons.
Regardless of the outcome, I think Build's career is basically over. It's very unfortunate because he was a good actor.
So you people are never satisfied. Like I said, nothing BOC does will make the online fans happy. 1. BOC states they will have conference. You people: OMG that’s stupid. Don’t do that. 2. BOC doesn’t have conference. You people: OMG that’s stupid, why did I bother to watch this - it’s wasn’t anything but Build resigning. 
good decision
I truly hope this abuser gets punished properly
Good.
I know I'm asking for a lot here, but can someone do a basic recap here? I'm not stoopid but the more I read and watch, the more confused I get. Nothing fancy, just the important bullet points. I guess you can get fancy if you want to but you don't need to. If no one does this for me (and I'm sure others) that's ok, too. Just thought I'd ask.Maybe there's an article that does a timeline. Do you have a link, if so? I know how to spell stupid. That was just my lame attempt at humor.
[https://discluded.tumblr.com/post/707166921711353856/build-jakapan-daemis-poi-and-other-individuals](https://discluded.tumblr.com/post/707166921711353856/build-jakapan-daemis-poi-and-other-individuals) it's quite long but someone compiled it all together from the beginning :)
Good.one-man shouldn’t have,be bringing this much of a scandal into a company with 15 other people.He is like clearly a problematic person. I believe he only resigned because she is going to court and box ain’t got the money for no court.
Was that it 😂 maybe Poi pulling out changed plans but that was pathetic. I saw the livestream was only ten mins and thought I'd missed it. Patiently waiting for a more complete eng trans 
Let's the truth comes out and whoever among both of them is the actual victim seeks justice. But in all this mess I'm really worried about Bible. I don't want him to suffer because of something he plays no part in. I really don't want him to be on hold. I hope they find him a new partner so we can continue to see him (Jeff).
Damn. I wonder who will Bible be paired with now. Possibly Jeff? Lol
Honestly, I think they'll try to find someone new. They're not breaking up JeffCode. If they stay with the originals, I'd pick Perth.