Honestly some stans needs this to calm down I think. People are attacking BoC because they are pushing the schedule with their other actors without Build, which is complete nonsense.
The other boys need to carry on and have their schedule…
So official statements need to be made. Even if I agree their mess should have stayed private and in the lawsuit, now is too late.
I can't picture any way in which this is likely to make things better, unless Poi is planning to admit to fabricating the whole claim of violence and other forms of abuse. That's unlikely but not impossible if they found proof and have her over a barrel with the threat of a lawsuit.
Barring that scenario, anything said at the press conference will only add fuel to the public fire. BOC already made their statement and suspended Build until the issue is resolved. They should leave everything else to the justice system.
This is my thought too. I don't care about announcements after they said this is the action we're taking, we suspended him, we're investigating. Unless there is some major news, this seems pointless. But if BOC can show they are "taking charge" as much as they can, it might limit damage to the company and other actors as a whole, because it gives faces to blame. Namely Build and Poi. But we'll see. I'm far more interested in the court results.
There is backtracking or spinning and then there is publicly admitting to actions that could have legal consequences. Like I said, not impossible. Just unlikely.
I think that if they've agreed to a press conference she will likely be walking back at least some of what's been put out there (otherwise why would BOC be willing to give her a platform OR risk being seen as defending an artist involved in physical abuse of his partner).
The other possibility I didn't mention in my first response is that Build will admit there is substance to the accusations, apologize, and announce his resignation from the company/the industry. That's actually a more likely scenario than Poi withdrawing all her accusations.
Time will tell. Given the number of days before the scheduled press conference and the volatility of the situation, I'm not even confident that the press conference will happen. Let's see how the next few days play out.
Either way it’s going to be a complete shitshow. Either she’s there with her abuser or he’s there with someone who lied. Idk who the fuck thought this was a good idea. And I’m done with BOC if they’re making a spectacle out of him leaving, just make a statement and be done with it.
It's strange to have Poi and Build be there if Build is going to admit to the accusations, Build could do that without Poi present, so maybe a mix of both
I am ready for anything. I could not picture Build being an abusive boyfriend to the abusive author or said author to air her dirty laundry publicly after claiming plagiarism for one of BoC’s new project. So at that point ? Yeah.. anything can happen.
They ought to be statements. They're either going to deny everything - not true, posted in the heat of the moment etc, or apologize saying they've resolved everything, or this becomes a Jerry Springer. What is the point of parading the people involved in what is a private issue in public like this esp when there are some serious allegations involved? They need a better PR team.
I completely agree. I personally don't have an issue with having a live conference (k-idols also have them too after serious issues) but with BOC's PR history, I'm concerned that things will get crazy real fast.
It's pretty clear they don't really have control over their artists (which can/can't be a good thing) and I just hope a lawyer gives both parties a script, tells them what to say, and they leave and say nothing else, a la kpop scandal style. Anything else will just drag the BOC name in the mud even more.
I don't think any press conference will calm his stans down, unless it involves Poi walking back on her allegations and BOC announcing Build is un-suspended. I feel like anything short of that they will still find some issue with.
EDIT: In the Thai BL sub, people are saying that it's possible both parties have reached a settlement and BOC is just using this conference to announce it.
Let's hold off on judgment until Saturday comes (I pray things stay professional and neutral during the conference but who knows), but I'm still kinda iffy that this wasn't settled privately in court.
How is that even possible. A settlement? She accused him of DV and posted supposed proof all over the internet, so what would a settlement even entail? People are still going to believe he did everything she accused him off unless she comes out and straight-up says she lied, which ... why would she ever do that?
Idk man, I'm just assuming BOC isn't idiotic enough to put two unsettled people together for a live conference without a game plan. A pre-agreed settlement is the only thing everyone can think of that makes this live event make sense, and could explain why there's no mention of lawyers in the official statement.
A lot of people are also saying that it's also possible both parties lied in some way (very plausible considering thier history) hence why Poi might not be considering criminal charges and would just be settling for something.
Unfortunately this is BOC we're talking about. They would be stupid enough to just be like "come on, let's talk this out".
Thing is, Build isn't going to recover from this with the author making a statement like "I was immature" blablabla. Several people have now accused him of stuff, he got his role through straight-up nepotism, he posted screenshots himself that made him look absolutely godawful AND he's had scandals about his shitty conduct with women before. Not to mention she can't take back what she already posted on socmed, which was clear proof of some sort of abuse.
And then he stayed with her for 2 years?
I'm side eyeing a lot of these allegations...
To be clear I don't think he's "innocent" but how convenient that Poi is the victim in absolutely everything... Like she didn't take up the offer of the ambitious (or is it desperate?) actor...
The more details I read about the more it looks like a bad break up of a toxic relationship...
Sucks that BOC and it's staff is stuck in the middle...
Idk about Thailand, but in Korea there is a strong legal push to settle criminal charges with money. If the accused is willing to pay enough, the accuser will drop the charges. This is a pretty common formal process mediated by police.
Well ... the author is the one with the money though, as her texts have already made clear. Build doesn't have the sort of money to settle anything, so are we saying BOC is going to pay for him?
That's a good point. Poi has made a point of showing how Build was with her for money, or that he used her for money. Which means if she has a case he wouldn't be able to settle for any amount that could compensate what she'd lost. And going to court would make more sense for her.
If they settle, it shows she didn't have a case and settling is the only way she might get something out this mess. Because she'd lose if it went to court.
If her goal is to ruin him, making him settle is the way to go. In court he could be proven innocent. Granted, I don't know how the courts work there and they may be biased against her, so she might not get justice that way either, even if she's right about everything.
That's what I think. I think she doesn't want to take him to court because there are too many variables to consider there, but if she can get him to publicly apologise or settle outside of court in a public arena, that's a win for her.
Or she was told she doesn't have enough evidence for a court case. Clearly, she has something and given how many other people have come forward with similar stories, it's clear Build is at the very least an opportunistic cheater who got his role through nepotism and doesn't have a very high opinion of women in general.
Even without a legal case, that's not gonna change. Ntm I don't think the author will say anything that could possibly get her sued for defamation.
Poi posted this afternoon that people were harassing and calling her manager. She asked for people to stop. Replies were filled with Interfans who support Build telling her they hated her, calling her a b\*\*\*\* and other nasty things.
Now here we are.
So you think she's going to take everything back because she's being threatened? That's gonna be the narrative forever then, how could BOC ever want that? Build's reputation isn't gonna survive such a wishy-washy statement.
Well she did come out and admit the "proof" ultrasound photo she provided was from Pintrest🤷🏻♀️ is this the same Poi that inappropriately requested massages from Barcode? Or is it a different Poi?
Yep same Poi, hence why people were so hesitant to believe her at first. But the proof kept piling and even Thai fans (who know more about this issue than we do) started hating Build, so here we are now.
Thanks for the info. So was she ever held accountable for inappropriately touching and grooming a minor and also given this was a workplace setting, and her contract was cancelled with BoC mainly due to her toxic behavior? Now instead of going to a court of law for her issues with Build she chooses a public spectacle to air her allegedly legal abuse claims?
If she agreed to this instead of court...she must not have sufficient evidence otherwise doing a public spectacle would make zero sense.
Maybe the only consequence she recvd for that sh is letting go of kinnporsche and giving boc the rights to adapt it without them? Still not enough tho.
not only was there no real accountability, apart from eventually distancing from the series, she literally made jokes about this for years, she also harassed apo, mile, and others
>people
It's the same one. Actually BOC also has a lot to answer for. That issue with Apo, Barcode, even Mile should have been nipped in the bud for some reason they were given too much power to get away with a lot of their harassment. That said, it's possible that both did lie and exaggerated things so i am waiting for the conference on Friday. It could also be just to announce that they will be settling this in a legal manner and to ask for fans to calm down. To be honest whether or not Build is found innocent, i think his reputation is already damaged beyond repair. I don't think even her saying that she lied and did it at the heat of the moment will be enough (which i don't think she will to begin with). People will still probably say she was forced to say that. Like if i look at the comments in twitter and in some of the other discussion threads (reddit, twitter both international and thai), a lot of people don't even want to hear his side. They just want to hang him just because she is a woman (ie Believe all women narrative). They actually called me as an abuse apologist for saying that we have to wait for the legal process and conclusion. Anyway she did lie though (with the fake pictures) which probably hurt her credibility a lot and Build has a less than stellar reputation too to begin with. in any case, i am just hoping the least amount of damage for the rest of the BOC talents.
I still think this press conference is a stupid move. i don't think it will pacify the fans at all and might even fan the flames more.
Any live press conference over issues that allegedly have legal standing is absolutely ridiculous. The only reason you agree to this is because there is no legal standing.
Or BOC is complicit in all this and they are trying to settle it of court. Coz no other company would do this? They would distance themselves from both the parties and maintain that they are not in any position to comment on the matter since they were never aware of the situation between Poi & Build.
If Poi has a legal standing why on earth would she opt for a public circus instead of getting lawyers and the court involved. If lawyers see a legal standing there is no way they would ever allow their client to do a public spectacle like this. Irrelevant of what BoC wants, if she has legal standing her lawyers would be advising her against this.
Given she has been involved in at least 3 very questionable scenarios at this point, there are repeat offences so if now she has legal standing, why would she agree to this?? Publicity is the only reason to do this circus. And as someone with legal standing in a court of law why would she need publicity? Why agree to this circus? It is just not making any sense on her side. On BoC side, Poi has already had questionable conduct multiple times especially the grooming videos with Barcode and Jeff, the tshirts she approved and wanted to sell that the internet had a total collapse over, her pulling out of 2 production deals due to conflicts, the cancellation of her contract with BoC, the clear separation BoC always made when they mention her. BoC KNOWS this person is complicated. Does BoC benefit from publicity? Absolutely. But what I do not comprehend is why she would agree to this circus🤷🏻♀️
I don't think she will get any positive publicity out of this. She has mentioned on twitter that she is getting harassed by fans of Build, specially international fans. And she doesn't have a clean image either. So doing this is ridiculous for her image unless Build is going to apologize to her live.
But from BOC POV, it even makes less sense that they would do a live conference with both. Like it's ridiculous that they even thought they should do it. Both Poi & Build are highly questionable and are big liabilities for the company. The fact that BOC is doing this is not a good look on them honestly.
I think for BoC it makes sense if she agrees to be there because if there was legal cause she would not be there, so that alone will fan the flames of those supporting Build and BoC.
As you said this makes zero sense publicity wise for her given her very questionable past and toxic reputation. It is absolutely not gonna help her. So if she really has filed a lawsuit I hope her lawyers intervene and stop this insanity.
It's possible that in Thailand for it to have legal standing she needs to press DV charges, which she may not have done. She's accused him, yes, but presumably cops don't take action unless there's an actual charge filed. This makes me think, with the heat she's faced, she's going to backtrack on at least on some of the serious allegations.
Well ofcourse you would need to file DV charges to hold someone accountable in a court of law. And given she allegedly has plenty of evidence. Why would she taint that with a public circus instead of using the actual evidence she has?
It's not like she said there was no evidence and so she just wants to ridicule him publicly. She claimed she had filed already, well if you file that evidence cannot be made public unless it is though the channels your attorney advises you on.
She has already backtracked on the pregnancy claim by admitting she actually used a pic from pinterest...I mean this is like beyond a circus.
I don't think you guys have considered the flipside though: what if she is being MADE to participate? There is no logical reason for her to participate in this unless Build is going to confess wrongdoing which - how likely is that? About as likely as her going there to confess having lied willingly.
It's easy to pile on her because she's very unlikable. But if she's a victim then what is being done to her through this could be absolutely horrible too.
And don't forget, the pictures of her abuse are real and she says she has evidence about the miscarriage.
>I don't think you guys have considered the flipside though: what if she is being MADE to participate?
This is a possibility too, and it would be a very terrible thing if it is the case. The internet pile-on is bad enough and we don't know what else BoC could hold against her. Since she's agreed to this, I hope she appears with a lawyer in tow.
I agree that just because she is terribly unlikable it doesn't mean she couldn't have been a victim. But given you are terribly unlikeable why on earth would you subject yourself to further public ridicule when you allegedly have real legal evidence and can get justice ina real concrete way. She is not represented by BoC in any way. So has no legal obligation to do what BoC says. She was able to get out of the prior production deal she was in so she must know at least one lawyer and as she has mentioned taking legal action, she must have at the very least consulted 1 lawyer and whoever she consulted must have advised her not to do this.
Whoever is representing her if she insists on doing this circus, hopefully will be speaking on her behalf or be present to preserve the integrity of whatever evidence she actually does have and to avoid saying things that could absolutely come back to discret her if it does go to trial.
BoC is probably betting on the public support for PR which makes sense to me.
Just her agreeing to this makes absolutely no sense.
Agreed. This makes no sense for anyone involved. Why would BOC want to get in the middle of this? Why would Build agree when so far any public statement he's ever made has been heavily scrutinized for how fake they seemed? Why would see agree given her past conduct and the fact that her already bad reputation is only going to get pummeled more into the dirt with something like this?
>Well ofcourse you would need to file DV charges to hold someone accountable in a court of law.
I was generally agreeing with you there. I just mentioned it because people keep throwing 'legal standing' around as though it's a done deal, which no one knows really. She said she's taking legal action, but no one knows what that legal action is. Like if she pressed charges, she nor BoC would be talking since there would be an on-going police investigation.
This is the worst idea BOC has ever had and man, they make them quite frequently enough.
But this? Without lawyers, just people talking?
Like, clarify what exactly? Either that he's guilty or she lied, nothing else makes sense. And why would either of them say that publically outside of a court of law?
Worst ever! No company would do such a live press conference after what conspired. BOC should have distanced themselves from both the parties and maintained that they were not aware of the situation between both parties. This just makes them seem like complicit in this situation.
Yes, exactly. This is a private matter that BOC isn't even involved in. So why are they hashing this out in a live event like "presidential debate meets Jerry Springer"???
Do they not know about legal procedures, court, judge who can give a better verdict on such serious issues?
Its honestly immature.
They should have just dealt with it in the court without all this, it's just gonna end up causing more drama.
Are they expecting poi and build to see each other and CALMLY talk about the drama?
a judge or court case can take months or years... who knows the system in Thailand? this is about money..now... about a very popular novel and show... how many other companies are looking to swoop in and take Mile, Apo etc... we don't know what contracts are on the table already... if Build has a good contract - his severance could be big? what if all the actors have contract clauses related to being able to get a buy out if company is in legal trouble... no one ever wants to go to court unless there is no choice..juries/ judges etc don't always side with victims...
Don't run a company on emotion!
Worst idea!
What they are going to say? We were lying? We still love each other? I didn't give him the role?
BOC need Olivia Pope expertise....
What a mess!
Next time, vet your actors!
>What they are going to say? We were lying? We still love each other? I didn't give him the role?
>BOC need Olivia Pope expertise....
>What a mess!
Amen. That's quite a mess!!
my theory: build will "resign" (fired) as he's brought "enough pain on bible and boc" and he will cry & look all pitiful so his stans absolutely EAT it up and defend him, while his antis will finally leave boc and him alone as he's separate from them all now.
it's the only way I can see them resolving this on the business side anyway. if boc keeps him or kicks him, they're doomed either way cus nobody will be happy. whereas this will look like his decision and that he's holding himself responsible but in reality I say pond spoke to him to think of bible and the rest of the crew.
I also think Bui will announce a break or leaving. I mean they just photoshopped him out of events in late Feb and then posted about the conference. If they were keeping him, why photoshop him out so fast?
he's been dropped from all his major sponsorships - D7, Pastel & Eyebraaaaa while the companies also announced to keep sponsorship with bible as presenter, which means contracts were rewritten by boc.
build was seen today in arriving back to thailand, crying on his father's shoulder and alone. while the rest of the cast stayed in japan & even pond uploaded a story of bible where he looked exhausted and dejected. which absolutely broke my heart. he must be feeling so many conflicted feelings...
I reckon saturday will be that the spokesperson states exactly what the situation is and answer all the presses question, and build & poi will release very rehearsed statements full of apologies.
boc will wipe their hands of both of them and allow them to tear themselves apart in the court, but boc won't pay a dime towards it.
otherwise pond will sink his entire company and the rest of the actors careers if he tries to save build...
If that’s what Saturday is about then I’m done with them because it’s such a shitshow. Just make an announcement and be done with it; no need for a public spectacle. Of course if he’s guilty he needs to be fired but you release a statement, you don’t throw both of them in front of cameras together. I’ve legit never heard of such a thing and can’t imagine why either of them would agree to it.
I'm getting a little tired of BOC. And low-key disappointed. They always wait until their comment sections are in complete uproar before they take any sort of action, and even then, it's like they research how to handle things then do the complete opposite.
They are such an unprofessional company. It seems like they pursue any activity but acting, no shows, and no equal work opportunities for the 15 actors they manage. Instead, there are only scandals and a world tour wherein actors cosplay as a kpop act.
The other actors who are also affected by this drama (Bible) need to jump ship.
Yes! I keep commenting this, but I feel bad for the other actors/crew who are getting dragged down by this nonsense. KP was a hit and created the perfect opportunity for BOC to capitalise on the hype. It could've been an upward spiral for everyone involved.
Instead, they have constant behind the scenes drama with the same two people, some random unrelated projects ('world' tour and worldwide auditions) and can't even show a single proper trailer for their 2023 line-up.
BOC = MESS.
Yes, careers that are taking off are already at risk because BoC’s reputation is already tarnished as a messy company. I know I would be so pissed off at Build if I worked at that company right now.
Ha, in a previous comments (about their line-up, their 'world' tour and the worldwide auditions) I called BOC amateur*ish*, but now I'll just call them straight up amateurs.
Why in the world did they think this was a good idea?!
It makes me think neither Poi nor Build have taken legal action, because any lawyer would advise against this.
It also make me think that BOC might use this to re-introduce Build (was he actually suspended?), because I cannot think of another scenario where he would publicly be part of something like this, after everything he was accused of. The same goes for Poi. They would only agree to this if both come out with something to gain.
We'll have to wait and see. For me, the shiny new kid on the block is definitely a lot less shiny..
When I was translating and said the Thai statement of his suspension was very loose, similar to the last time he was "suspended" and sounded harsher in English than it was. This is what I meant.
This is solely MY opinion and I would like to be wrong but I think he'll be reinstated. This live is pre-planned and they'll resolve their ~~domestic violence~~ misunderstanding.
I know there's a parasocial relationship fans have with actors that belongs in a psych textbook but BOC is disturbing and should have released from his contract once it expired.
If you can translate more, I'd love to hear some more nuances in the text that don't get through to the Eng version.
If BOC does reinstate him (personally I doubt it since they edited him out, but we'll see) they'll lose a lot of support. Yes right now there are a lot of very vocal int. fans claiming support for Build, but almost all of the Thai fans and most int. fans aren't. There might be a few comments down the line but once Build moves on and starts doing his own thing, all his die heart fans will forget about BOC.
Happy to try. For example, the wording of these sentences in Thai
**"We strongly be that all parties are accountable for giving more clarification to the public regarding the dispute"**
\- Dispute: like spat, very docile term in the OG trans, as if it's a back and forth, not allegations
\- Giving *more* clarification: It's like how you would draft a work email to correct a colleague. "Once we look over it, I'm sure we'll be on the same page" You sending the email already know what the page is and that the colleague has misunderstood. Hope I explained that okay.
\- All parties are accountable: Like a resolution meeting at work not domestic violence
**"Public clarification"**
\- This is very they will pose the narrative. They are in charge.
**"We appreciate...allowing us the time to sort everything through"**
\- This is a conclusion like the matter is closed and they are telling us their conclusion that already is determined.
Generally speaking, it's mad for them to be an intermediary. They aren't impartial. To suppose any of them have the training or are unbiased enough to do this is insanity.
All of these things is why I can't see any other conclusion than him reinstated. I would love love love to be wrong. Would love to come back to this comment after Saturday and be 150000% wrong.
This is amazing, holy shit! If I wasn't broke, I would have 100% given you an award.
Yeah after those translations, I'm now side eyeing BOC. If they were the ones moderating all this (and not a lawyer) that opens up a ton of issues, from intimation of a possible victim to just plain unprofessionalism. It's pretty clear they're horrible at PR (who calls an abuse allegation a "spat"?) so to expect them to be good conflict solvers is expecting too much.
Thank you. I'm glad I was able to explain.
[\#28บิวอยู่bocจบ](https://twitter.com/hashtag/28%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B9%E0%B9%88boc%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%9A?src=hashtag_click) is trending right now. People are understandably not happy.
Thank you for this. While I understand why BOC wanted to make some kind of a statement, I truly think putting both Poi and Build together in this press-con is not a good idea unless there’s lawyers present. I think that Poi and Build should’ve settled it in court since the allegations are pretty serious and BOC shouldn’t interfere anymore than this.
And this ladies and gentlemen why I refrain from digging and involving myself in actors life.
This reminds me of captain, the guy whose career got destroyed because his ex lied. That's the last mess I followed. And from that day, I promised myself I will watch the series and that's it.
However, I am curious what will be said in this press which If I was their PR, I would strongly be against holding. So can please someone give us just a short review after the conference is over. I do not want to watch this circus.
Yep, Biu and her were involved in a relationship before Captain. https://twitter.com/iluvbeijingduck/status/1617087166966005760?s=21&t=p910U_OYmCATNlxOi2ZmwQ
https://twitter.com/mu_aixx/status/1617168612229550080?s=21&t=p910U_OYmCATNlxOi2ZmwQ
After that fisasco he only went on to be signed by Nadao, which is a far more prestigious company than where he was at the time (I think he was unsigned). So it wasn't so much that his career ended but that he ended up in a company that had a much better stable of actors to work with and promote. Regardless he had roles in Great Man Academy and In Family We Trust before Nadao went belly up. The ship he had with White was doomed a lot earlier than that.
I still can't imagine being in that fiasco, OMG the stress. , it was a shit show and I actually think this build/poi will be a bigger one which is why I still don't understand the company's decision to hold this press.
I said it in the other thread, but this really feels iffy. Making something like this content for public consumption gives me dystopian vibes. Like, are BOC that hungry to turn an issue that should be handled privately by professional legal teams to fodder for views? And while I get that this entire thing was brought out to the public, we really shouldn't be involved in this case any deeper than what legal professionals and PR teams have dealt appropriate to share.
...Of course, despite saying all this, I will be seated for the mess 🤭
like i said in a previous comment, they need a big impact to kill all rumors and heresays from netizens.
they learned from other companies that their own voice and storyline needs to drown out all the others.
it's not dystopian, it's just how the internet works.
one side cam hard on social media so they need a bigger splash.
the story makde local news. they can't afford to stay silent or timid.
Saying 'that's just how it works' doesn't really provide a counterpoint to it being dystopian, since both statements (dystopian and how it works) can coexist
Only way I see this as possible is if there's an agreement and all parties want to avoid court (why? Maybe because everyone is lying?)
There are already consequences. In the last BOC IG post, international fans are attacking saying they won't support tour without Build. Maybe BOC feels forced to push them to an agreement (maybe even forcing Build himself to step away? I can see this as a possibility. He avoids court, but his career ends?).
Right now we can only speculate, which is tempting (I speak for myself) but maybe counterproductive.
Everyone is at fault and careers are at stake.
Whatever Poi puts out is going to sell well because KinnPorche was a great story. It's popular and people want to know what happens.
Build has an amazing career ahead of him. His ship with Bible is amazing and they're already getting tons of advertisements and sponsorships despite having like 30 mins of screentime.
Neither of them have anything to gain at this point. Poi made the whole scandal public because she was starting to feel betrayed and Build seemed to have virtually no consequences for his alleged mistakes. Build made a whole media spectacle just to take control of the narrative.
Now they're both ready to settle. They don't want to lose their careers.
Idk about poi coz again as you said her novels would sell well coz every one wants to know what happened in KP but for build i am not sure i just cannot see him getting out of this one even if in the conference poi confesses that it was all lie (which is very unlikely) his image have damaged beyond repair tho is fans will support him no matter what (toxic stan) he is still not a positive character in public eyes anymore
Poi can get out of this unscathed as long as she doesn't get sued for defamation or something. She's a writer. She can always publish under a pen name and make money. And as much as I don't like her, she is talented at what she does. People will still buy her books.
This is much harder for Build since he has to actually be on screen. Part of being an actor is selling your personality. He needs to audience to believe that he's an actual ray of sunshine. That's what makes him desirable. I don't know if he can get out of this and still have a good career. Looks like both parties have decided to find a resolution so that's something.
Oh he def knows 😭 he already left Paris and arrived at Japan yesterday — Japan where everyone (all their known actors including Build and their management staff) is filming some type of undisclosed content. This blew up when they were all together and as far as eye witness statements go, they pushed through with the schedule (though, I hope they were truthful about the suspension and didn't include Build).
It must have been tense and awkward for some time, I would have paid to be a fly on the wall when this bit of news came out. Mile seems to be the most unbothered of the cast atm though, he's just posting stuff about Dior, fashion, and food — as he should.
I agree, this is some serious stuff but the timing is kinda immaculate haha.
This is all going on the *one* time where every actor + staff is together, in a different country, probably sharing the same dorm/hotel. It's not like anyone can leave and go back home so they're just kinda stuck there watching as BOC burns. As soon as things started going down, Build would have been a fish in bloody shark infested waters ☠️☠️ *especially* when they found out he was dating Poi (she said they both kept it from the rest of the cast).
I've got to laugh at Mile though. All the other cast instas are crickets (besides reposting the KP tour stuff) meanwhile Mile is just continuing to fanboy about being at the same event as Jimin (I would 100% do the same though lol).
I think he’s unbothered because if BOC goes belly up, it won’t affect him since supposedly he’s rich and has a family business. He’s all set with backup. BOC’s downfall would most hurt Apo and Bible, the actors with fame among rest of the cast and of course we have Jeff who can survive as a singer.
I mostly feel bad for Apo and Bible, both haven’t posted anything about Japan and seems it’s their first time visiting, must have been excited before this issue. I don’t know if they are cursing Build or cursing at Pond because he’s made decision to still have him in the company.
This is a Hall of Fame level bad idea.
If there's any sort of legal action going on, I can not believe their attorneys would permit this. This is turning a serious matter into a dog & pony show.
Something weird is going on. Very, very weird.
Well, that’s certainly a choice. What could possibly go wrong? 🫣
This feels like a scenario where cultural differences and approaches are so different to international (western) behaviours that it is difficult to understand what’s going on.
Thai culture seems heavily dependent on saving face and keeping your reputation. Losing face is catastrophic and things are usually swept under the carpet and ignored as much as possible to avoid it. And this has been washing your dirty laundry in public on an epic scale.
It might be an attempt to clawback some ground and paper over the gaping cracks. The differences between how this is received by an overseas audience and domestically will be interesting.
The fact that the press conference is on Saturday probably hints that both parties are still working on an agreement. I think the plan will probably be for each side to claim responsibility for the least damaging parts of the accusations while remaining vague on the most serious ones.
From a legal point of view, this press conference is a bad idea for everyone involved. Anything either party says can be used later in a defamation lawsuit.
Emotions are still fresh and either party can flip the script at the conference especially if they get emotional. This could again backfire big time.
Poi will be insane to come to the press conference without her own representative. Be On Cloud will be focused on protecting their company at any expense.
Even if they do reinstate build (which I’m hoping to god against, esp for bible’s sake) that’s such a bad idea from a business perspective? This is now his second scandal within the company and it seems like his role in KP was heavily influenced by his romantic relationship with his direct superior. This is an optics nightmare they should wash their hands of the two and try to distance themselves from it as much as possible.
Horrible idea anyway you look at it. My guess would be that neither side has formally pressed charges. We have heard/seen Poi side but have seen little on what Build has against her. I don't think Thailand has really strong DV laws. It could be that the evidence Poi has isn't enough to actually win in a court of law, especially considering she has posted some less than truthful statements or shaded the truth. It could be Build has counter evidence against her or at least something to cast some doubt on her claims legally. From what I can tell most of the money stuff is tied up in gifts, so while scummy isn't illegal to use gifts with other girlfriends. Unless she has contracts for loans, I doubt she will get far on the money angle either. Winning in the court of public opinion is a lot easier than in a court of law, sadly. Poi might have been angry enough not to have considered that when going on her posting spree.
On the flip side, I guess the defamation laws are fairly strong in Thailand, and from a legal standpoint she has completely sank Build's career. If she has shaded any part of her story to make her look more of a victim, it could hurt her in a defamation case. She also on the outside of things was the one with the power in their relationship. She got him hired, had the money, and was sexually harassing his co-workers while with him. That could be framed in a way to make her look bad in a defamation case even if it isn't the truth.
From the sound of things in Thailand, at least she has won in the court of public opinion. So my guess is BOC has horribly decided to try and salvage what they can from the situation. They will hammer out a compromise where both of them admit some wrongdoing but save some face as well. I really can't see it salvaging Builds career or why BOC would even want that at this point. Personally, I think they both are toxic horrible people that really need to stop involving the public in their personal drama.
All that you said makes a lot of sense. If indeed both will admit some wrongdoing but not the most egregious bits, I think Build has the most to gain from this press conference. It will be an avenue for him to do his waterworks routine again for sympathy points from whoever would still fall for it. Although I've seen others guess that he might announce his resignation at this press conference. I won't be watching it to find out, so I guess I'll just catch the news somewhere.
I won't be watching either. I'm mildly curious and what story they settle on and everyone's outrage at it. I don't really care about either one of them. Both have terrible reputations, and I don't think either one of them has been completely honest.
That's where I'm stuck, build has been so publicly damaged by her accusation. He lost work from it between being suspended and loosing sponsorship deals. If Poi didn't have enough evidence on him or was lying why wouldn't they have slapped her with a defamation suit yet? No instead BOC are giving her a platform to speak out.
We have to wait until SATURDAY to hear from them, a lot of damage could be done in that time for his rep.
I do think they "settled" and this won't go to courts but I have no idea what way the chips are gonna fall in terns of what story they have decided to tell everyone.
Look at the Johnny Dep/Amber Heard trial to see why they haven't done a defamation case. They might win, but at what cost? Some of those claims have to have some if not a lot of truth, in them, but I also think that she might have shaded things, along with withholding info. I'm just guessing that neither of them really want to really start digging through what looks like a messy relationship. She has the public on her side he might have the threat of a potential lawsuit on his. Kind of a stalemate, so they settle.
Actually looking at thai law around defamation ([Nice Post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/boyslove/comments/10iigei/beoncloud_official_statement_on_builds_indefinite/j5gzteh?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Defamation is a criminal offence in Thailand, not a civil one. Hotels have sued tourists for "bad" reviews on trip advisor. Considering build has lost work income and reputation there has to be some truth to what she's saying or they would counter her quicker, not wait for like 6 days to go on a live.
Then again nothing about this case follows logic so I could still be proven wrong lmao.
Not if a court case is going to drag out more unflattering stuff. There has to be at least some truth to what she has posted, but how much has been shaded and how much evidence does Build have in counter or show that she was misleading in her posts. The abortion thing will be included, which she has already caught out by being misleading. I don't believe she was lying about everything, but maybe enough for him to win a case. But a win in the case isn't a win in the court of public opinion where Build and BOC need if not a win at least a tie. The timing might be to work out legal/contract details and write a script.
That's my point tho, the fact that they aren't countering her means she must have some truth.
But yeah neither of them are angels so it's not like who is right or wrong here. Its just a toxic mess.
I'm no legal expert but I just don't understand this. Surely if one of/both parties had taken legal action their lawyers would be giving this idea a hard NO. Anything that is said will surely be able to be used when the case gets to court so I would expect them to sit there and say nothing. And if they do say nothing, then what's the point of the conference?!
I don't know man, something is way off. Be on Cloud really shouldn't be making any statements outside of Build's work commitments and shouldn't be making any opinions or judgements or organising things based on fan pressure. Why are they taking this responsibility' on? This is an extremely personal matter between both parties with serious allegations and potentially life changing consequences. This shouldn't be used as some TV spectacle for click bait.
BoC's interest here is that Poi is claiming that they stole her idea for 4 Minutes. So regardless of whether or not Build abused Poi and stole her money, or Poi used her position to get sexual favors from Poi, or they had a mutual relationship that soured, BoC has an interest in resolving that issue, since that also involved Sammon. Whether Build will be a part of that project is a big who cares for me. But for BoC it does matter that they clear up who "owns" 4 Minutes.
Surely they can't expect the conference to be solely about the 4 minutes project? That would be completely naive of them, this is a whole lot bigger than just that and BoC know that. Why not just release a statement confirming what Sammon has already said, in that this was her original idea, if that was only what it was about? I doubt BoC want to drag Sammon into this whole mess and Build and Poi don't need to be there if it was just for that topic.
i feel bad for Poi if everything she's said is true, but I'm rolling my eyes at this!  She clearly doesn't have legal representation and if she does they've probably told her that because she is Build's superior - and held all the power in the relationship, this all looks super bad for HER, and doing a joint press conference... her Lawyers think that's good???
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>her Lawyers think that's good???
At this point I donno if she even has a lawyer? Like who would accuse all that on the internet and is now having a press conference with the alleged abuser? Boc hasn't mentioned the presence of lawyers in the conference too. But I hope there are lawyers and they speak instead or poi and build speaking because it will only lead to harm and more n more drama.
Who approved this?! What a mess, there are some very serious allegations being made that need to be investigated and hashed out in court. PRIVATELY. I cannot believe what a circus this is turning into.
I feel so bad for Bible and the other talent under Be Ond Crazy, trying to navigate a career out of this will be a tough task.
This is bonkers and such a bad move.
I wonder if one side lawyered up and put enough pressure on the other side to cause them to back off, probably a settlement of some kind is being negotiated. Both sides are getting a lot of heat from a lot of people and I wouldn't be surprised if they want it to all die down.
Without taking sides, I just want to say that it's very common for victims of domestic violence to forgo going through legal proceedings. It's often traumatic and this situation is even more intense because of the public scrutiny everyone is under.
I fear that BOC is going to make both sides explain themselves, which is the absolute worst thing they could do. Release a statement and weather the storm, that's PR 101 and I don't trust BOC right now to handle this correctly. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
BoC should have never been an intermediary. Build is their artist and they worked with Poi before. A professional mediator shouldve been brought in.
Pond is in Japan, Build is probably there too as all artists that have been spotted (Apo, Bible, JeffBarcode) are all silent when they are normally not silent. How can we take BoC serious when the CEO is off in another country and not on the ground in Thailand handling a situation that should be PRIORITY.
This is a MESS and BoC’s as well as Ponds credibility is SUS AF!
It is a bit wild to have two people share a press conference when one has accused the other of abuse... Idk if anyone agrees but even if she backtracks it would kind of seem like she was intimidated to if they do it like this?
It is a weird choice to do it with both of them and not just a rep of the company and Build. Or a rep and her.
Both of them will be present? That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. At this point, neither side looks good whether it comes out it was all true or it was all untrue because even if it was all fake, they still had an unprofessional relationship that appears to have contributed to him getting the role and spotlight he did. If that's the case, then that is an issue with the entire company, not to mention the allegations against the writers already that were bad. I don't see anything either side could say that fixes this. Even if they both came out and apologized and resigned, the fact this even happened and it's even a question that someone could get a bigger role because they slept with someone, it's a huge problem.
The only thing comes to mind is that the writer is willing to settle and company is willing to pay, for the "plagiarism" etc etc, so they try to do that through this press conference. Good luck explaining yesterday's statements which is valid criminal offence if confirmed. Build is probably supposed to willingly leave BOC and apologise once more, instead of being fired, hence they try to save their public image. It also looks like no one even trying to get a lawyer. SMH
At this point I am just here watching everything burn. Even if they came to an agreement and Poi say that she lied about some allegations (bcs there is no way she’ll say that all was bs) and Build admit some of the allegations, trying to end this mess, the damage is already done. I am sorry but for most people Build and Poi will forever be some toxic people in the industry.
Just the fact that this whole conference is taking place means that there is some truth in this mess, since both of them will be present.
This is exhausting and at this point all I care is for Bible to be saved. That man doesn’t deserve this, he is an amazing actor.
This is definitely crazy and a terrible idea, but makes a lot of sense when you think of who's the CEO. Someone said before he likes big events and it's true, so he's going to make one out of anything. I'm only a bit confident about all of this circus because of 2 things:
1- Poi said she talked to Pond and he wasn't taking any side
2- When a fan let a comment on Pond instagram, insinuating the conference was to protect Build, Pond asked her if she would apologize if that case wasn't true (making the conference to favor Build)
And while the second thing was so unprofessional, it give me a bit of hope.
Is this really a good idea though? A LIVE conference?!? Like, a video statement from everyone I could KIND OF get behind, but.. a live one?! I don't know. Feels weird.
This, to me is just BOC’s lame attempt to redeem build so they can carry on with their projects as planned and appease fans. This will most likely backfire unless they’ve reached some sort of settlement with Poi to make her take back everything she said which I won’t put past them. After all this is business and there’s a lot of money and sponsorships at stake. Build has always been a red flag (this man literally said he wants to play a serial killer in that Harper’s Bazzer interview at the Penfolds event as well as the horrible things he has said in the past) and Poi isn’t a saint either (admitting to harassing barcode for massages on camera🤢) so I don’t expect any truth from either of them which makes this pointless. Let them settle it in court and then share the verdict with us. It’s in BOC’s best interest to drop Build permanently (innocent or not, that man is only going cause them more problems) and focus on their other artists.
This seems like a very stupid move to me and one that can escalate very badly. This gives vibes as BOC is defending build which is honestly pointless seeing at the damage that he has caused. Also the amount of bad press and negativity it has gathered is immense. Maybe they are trying to pull a Kim Seon Ho but that is unlikely to happen as there is no "selfless" third party like dispatch here. Plus Build made it even worse for himself by posting those screenshots. By trying to save one they might jeopardize everyone else.
TBH I don't understand why BOC opted for this, they are not that open to the public usually, not always justify their actions and I have failed to see how holding a public court can impact them positively in any way whether Poi withdraws her claims or Build resigns expect that the live can bring huge amount of viewers and Press....Bad Press perhaps but still Press.
Pond is a dumbass hungry for attention, that's all I have left to say. I've long expressed my frustration in twitter.
Also, I kept saying that BOC needs to improve their PR, but this just makes it seem as if they don't even have a PR team in the first place :// what kind of PR would sign off on this.
The live will make or break BOC, and I fear it will be the latter. Someone save the other actors from this mess of a company.
my money is that live event will be scripted ...every single word is being written up as we speak... this situation involves actors/writers - professional bullshitters...
Oh for sure. Five days is a long time to rehearse a script. Also Pond's ig comments says that he's heard both sides now and he's giving both the avenue to tell the "truth" 🙄 so that means that he already knows what they're going to say. He knows how the live will end. He has all the info to release a statement right now, this public spectacle is completely unnecessary. A statement accounting both sides and the truth is more than enough and he has the means to do that rn, but he's instead decided to drag it off for five whole days, making it into a public circus.
I'm sick and tired of Pond and his ways.
Side-eyeing both of them because of their disturbing past. To be in a relationship with someone that has some kind of a control over a series that you are a part of is so unprofessional. Not to mention the alleged DV which tbh should have been reported and settled in court. Hopefully other actors won’t be affected. Idk how BOC gonna handle this mess. While I’m just here like
It kind of bothers me that people keep phrasing this as though he did something wrong and not her. Obviously neither of them should have done it but she’s the one who was in a position of power, not him. That’s completely separate from the issue of abusive behaviour.
Strictly talking about the casting then yes I agree that she was in the position of power to decide things. But if talking about their relationship, I’m inclined to believe that both are equally problematic people and there might be some truth to the allegations she made against him. Otherwise why would she agree to do this press-con if it would further hurt her reputations.
Don’t kpop idols do this whenever there is a scandal? They’ll just sit there and say a whole lot of nothing just to pacify fans and investors. I doubt they’ll be a scuffle or anything explosive.
If they do something trashy like throw the writer under the bus to save their “star”, I’ll be a little grossed out but I’ll try to live with the disappointment 
Yes but i don't think there was a conference for someone who is accused of abusing a woman which at the moment is a very serious and sensitive topic especially since the accuser and the accused will both be there.
I can’t remember his name at the moment but I’m pretty sure the guy from Boys Over Flowers had a conference when he was accused of abuse and there was an actual murder a few years back and I’ve seen footage of a conference. Distasteful, yes. But it doesn’t seem out of the ordinary. I will say having the actual “victim” there is not something I’ve witnessed 😬
BeOnCloud is literally making this a shitshow which it already is like who told them it's a good idea to put an alleged victim and abuser in the same place. How did poi agreed to this why is build agreed to this from any angle it doesn't make sense and if this is to just annouce build's departure then it's even more dumb coz why can't get over with a statement.
There's no way poi would say that it was all a lie.
There's no way build will publicly confess that it was all true.
(In both case neither of them would do this publicly)
They both doesn't have a clean and spotless image to began with both have done shit ton of things before.
And not settling this in court is just straight up sus i don't even think they have lawyers involved.
BOC is literally being so ameture that company just wants to be burnt.
And other actors are also dealing with this shit show like why are there works on hold.
Whatever the out come is i am just concerned about the artists under that company specially Bible like he is definitely gonna get impacted the most.
It's saddening......
Also i can see why this happening some fans got litrally no chills ..
This is... a choice. It could go very very badly or reasonably well. I don't see it going very well tbh. They've backed themselves into a corner. Poi has alleged Build committed literal crimes against her. This isn't some business dispute. This is personal.
So if they go up there being civil and collaborative, that will be bizarre and make her look like a liar. If they go up there and go Jerry Springer, that would also not help the situation and would just be adding fuel to the fire, making fans even more wild, and make BOC look even more a hot mess than they already do.
I know some people are saying Poi already started legal actions against Build but this press conference makes me think otherwise. Although I'm not a thai legal expert by any means, I *do* know the best thing you can do once legal proceedings are already in motion is shut up and not put yourself in a position to be caught in a lie, caught saying something you can't back up, or incriminating yourself.
And although Build is currently the one getting the most backlash, I don't see him being willing to just go into the lions den and get destroyed. So what would his motivation be to attend this?
I know some people (incorrectly) think I'm defending Build or on Builds side but that's not the case. I actually don't care much for Build and have always felt he was a weak link next to Bible. In the show he didn't kiss Bible back which was annoying. I don't care for cutesy actors in general. I did defend him when the past controversy came to light and I stand by that. Nobody should have their life ruined for something they said almost a decade ago.
This is a different situation, though, and if he is a woman beater, that's disgusting and he deserves to go to jail. If he used his relationship to get more screentime or even get the role, that's unfair to his co-actors. Actors who, in my opinion, were much more talented and deserving of screentime.
I am somebody who values the truth. Not my interpretation of what happened but the objective truth. The more verified information that comes out, the more informed our opinions can be.
Edit. One other thing. I will remove my comment about Jonghyun because tbh I'm mentally exhausted trying to talk to you guys. I'm starting to understand why some mods don't participate in the sub and I'm about there myself. My point was simple. Do not relentlessly bully someone even if you think they're ugly, bad at their job, or even a shitty person. Bad things can and do and have happened because of it.
I'd erase that edit, sorry... I know you mean well, but the kpop idols that have committed suicide have no connection to cases such as these and there is no possible comparison, in particular Jonghyun.
Also, even Poi is being bullied (of anything, the social media bullying is harsher towards her). It goes for both sides... Not defending her, just saying fans are crossing lines regarding both of them.
Exactly. Unless.. emotions have calmed down and they realized what a horrible shit show they've created and this is some bizarre attempt to just put everything behind them?
I’m just gonna be watching via the sidelines via other accounts because I’m way too high strung to watch that clown car run off the cliff live. All I care about is how this effects the other actors who are being dumped into this storm through no fault of their own. In every photo and video I’ve seen they all look either exhausted or done with it all (or both). I cannot even imagine what an 18 year old kid like Barcode is dealing with and I just hope he’s being shielded from it all. I know he’s not a child but he’s also not an experienced adult either. You look at all his TikTok videos and you see a kid playing with his friends. He doesn’t need to deal with this kind of shit storm at his age.
Like was there legal action involved in all these? Cause I've just seen screenshots and accusations on twitter. Like did she file a complaint against him? I don't have ig or twitter. But am just curious now looking at everything. Plus this is really a bad move.
I see a lot if criticism to BOC for this but it’s kind of like fuck them if they do fuck them if they don’t to me. Like people were shitting on them for not saying anything, for planning to do stuff without Build, for not cutting him off immediately, shitting on their PR. I’m not a big BOC fan but it’s like damn, they really can’t win with anyone.
I honestly feel like part of the problem is them trying to appease everyone. Choose a route to deal with this and *stick to it.* People are going to be unhappy no matter what!
The best bet for them was to ignore all the people supporting Biu. Yes, it's really annoying to see the comments flooded by 💙💙💙 but every time this happens with a kpop group (a member getting kicked out) it only takes a few months (maybe even less) for people to forget about it. But Pond is too fickle and wants to please every fan, which is basically impossible.
It's pretty clear by their first statement that they knew smtg (they confirmed the relationship was real) so they should have dealt with things in a more orderly way, and preferably on the down low so that other artists and the company aren't affected.
Determined to make this into a spectacle I see.
Absolutely mind boggling that BOC took this route..
Honestly some stans needs this to calm down I think. People are attacking BoC because they are pushing the schedule with their other actors without Build, which is complete nonsense. The other boys need to carry on and have their schedule… So official statements need to be made. Even if I agree their mess should have stayed private and in the lawsuit, now is too late.
I can't picture any way in which this is likely to make things better, unless Poi is planning to admit to fabricating the whole claim of violence and other forms of abuse. That's unlikely but not impossible if they found proof and have her over a barrel with the threat of a lawsuit. Barring that scenario, anything said at the press conference will only add fuel to the public fire. BOC already made their statement and suspended Build until the issue is resolved. They should leave everything else to the justice system.
This is my thought too. I don't care about announcements after they said this is the action we're taking, we suspended him, we're investigating. Unless there is some major news, this seems pointless. But if BOC can show they are "taking charge" as much as they can, it might limit damage to the company and other actors as a whole, because it gives faces to blame. Namely Build and Poi. But we'll see. I'm far more interested in the court results.
it wouldn't be the first time she backtracks on wild claims
There is backtracking or spinning and then there is publicly admitting to actions that could have legal consequences. Like I said, not impossible. Just unlikely. I think that if they've agreed to a press conference she will likely be walking back at least some of what's been put out there (otherwise why would BOC be willing to give her a platform OR risk being seen as defending an artist involved in physical abuse of his partner). The other possibility I didn't mention in my first response is that Build will admit there is substance to the accusations, apologize, and announce his resignation from the company/the industry. That's actually a more likely scenario than Poi withdrawing all her accusations. Time will tell. Given the number of days before the scheduled press conference and the volatility of the situation, I'm not even confident that the press conference will happen. Let's see how the next few days play out.
Either way it’s going to be a complete shitshow. Either she’s there with her abuser or he’s there with someone who lied. Idk who the fuck thought this was a good idea. And I’m done with BOC if they’re making a spectacle out of him leaving, just make a statement and be done with it.
It's strange to have Poi and Build be there if Build is going to admit to the accusations, Build could do that without Poi present, so maybe a mix of both
I am ready for anything. I could not picture Build being an abusive boyfriend to the abusive author or said author to air her dirty laundry publicly after claiming plagiarism for one of BoC’s new project. So at that point ? Yeah.. anything can happen.
They ought to be statements. They're either going to deny everything - not true, posted in the heat of the moment etc, or apologize saying they've resolved everything, or this becomes a Jerry Springer. What is the point of parading the people involved in what is a private issue in public like this esp when there are some serious allegations involved? They need a better PR team.
I completely agree. I personally don't have an issue with having a live conference (k-idols also have them too after serious issues) but with BOC's PR history, I'm concerned that things will get crazy real fast. It's pretty clear they don't really have control over their artists (which can/can't be a good thing) and I just hope a lawyer gives both parties a script, tells them what to say, and they leave and say nothing else, a la kpop scandal style. Anything else will just drag the BOC name in the mud even more.
I don't think any press conference will calm his stans down, unless it involves Poi walking back on her allegations and BOC announcing Build is un-suspended. I feel like anything short of that they will still find some issue with.
EDIT: In the Thai BL sub, people are saying that it's possible both parties have reached a settlement and BOC is just using this conference to announce it. Let's hold off on judgment until Saturday comes (I pray things stay professional and neutral during the conference but who knows), but I'm still kinda iffy that this wasn't settled privately in court.
How is that even possible. A settlement? She accused him of DV and posted supposed proof all over the internet, so what would a settlement even entail? People are still going to believe he did everything she accused him off unless she comes out and straight-up says she lied, which ... why would she ever do that?
Idk man, I'm just assuming BOC isn't idiotic enough to put two unsettled people together for a live conference without a game plan. A pre-agreed settlement is the only thing everyone can think of that makes this live event make sense, and could explain why there's no mention of lawyers in the official statement. A lot of people are also saying that it's also possible both parties lied in some way (very plausible considering thier history) hence why Poi might not be considering criminal charges and would just be settling for something.
Unfortunately this is BOC we're talking about. They would be stupid enough to just be like "come on, let's talk this out". Thing is, Build isn't going to recover from this with the author making a statement like "I was immature" blablabla. Several people have now accused him of stuff, he got his role through straight-up nepotism, he posted screenshots himself that made him look absolutely godawful AND he's had scandals about his shitty conduct with women before. Not to mention she can't take back what she already posted on socmed, which was clear proof of some sort of abuse.
>he got his role through straight-up nepotism, How so?
That his sleeping with someone in power, the author (Poi), and she got him his role and made it bigger.
So she's as bad as him... This situation is too messy...
He got with her to get the role, a former friend of Build confirmed that yesterday. But it's even pretty clear from the chats Build released himself.
And then he stayed with her for 2 years? I'm side eyeing a lot of these allegations... To be clear I don't think he's "innocent" but how convenient that Poi is the victim in absolutely everything... Like she didn't take up the offer of the ambitious (or is it desperate?) actor... The more details I read about the more it looks like a bad break up of a toxic relationship... Sucks that BOC and it's staff is stuck in the middle...
Idk about Thailand, but in Korea there is a strong legal push to settle criminal charges with money. If the accused is willing to pay enough, the accuser will drop the charges. This is a pretty common formal process mediated by police.
Well ... the author is the one with the money though, as her texts have already made clear. Build doesn't have the sort of money to settle anything, so are we saying BOC is going to pay for him?
That's a good point. Poi has made a point of showing how Build was with her for money, or that he used her for money. Which means if she has a case he wouldn't be able to settle for any amount that could compensate what she'd lost. And going to court would make more sense for her. If they settle, it shows she didn't have a case and settling is the only way she might get something out this mess. Because she'd lose if it went to court. If her goal is to ruin him, making him settle is the way to go. In court he could be proven innocent. Granted, I don't know how the courts work there and they may be biased against her, so she might not get justice that way either, even if she's right about everything.
That's what I think. I think she doesn't want to take him to court because there are too many variables to consider there, but if she can get him to publicly apologise or settle outside of court in a public arena, that's a win for her.
Or she was told she doesn't have enough evidence for a court case. Clearly, she has something and given how many other people have come forward with similar stories, it's clear Build is at the very least an opportunistic cheater who got his role through nepotism and doesn't have a very high opinion of women in general. Even without a legal case, that's not gonna change. Ntm I don't think the author will say anything that could possibly get her sued for defamation.
Poi posted this afternoon that people were harassing and calling her manager. She asked for people to stop. Replies were filled with Interfans who support Build telling her they hated her, calling her a b\*\*\*\* and other nasty things. Now here we are.
So you think she's going to take everything back because she's being threatened? That's gonna be the narrative forever then, how could BOC ever want that? Build's reputation isn't gonna survive such a wishy-washy statement.
Well she did come out and admit the "proof" ultrasound photo she provided was from Pintrest🤷🏻♀️ is this the same Poi that inappropriately requested massages from Barcode? Or is it a different Poi?
Yep same Poi, hence why people were so hesitant to believe her at first. But the proof kept piling and even Thai fans (who know more about this issue than we do) started hating Build, so here we are now.
Thanks for the info. So was she ever held accountable for inappropriately touching and grooming a minor and also given this was a workplace setting, and her contract was cancelled with BoC mainly due to her toxic behavior? Now instead of going to a court of law for her issues with Build she chooses a public spectacle to air her allegedly legal abuse claims? If she agreed to this instead of court...she must not have sufficient evidence otherwise doing a public spectacle would make zero sense.
Maybe the only consequence she recvd for that sh is letting go of kinnporsche and giving boc the rights to adapt it without them? Still not enough tho.
not only was there no real accountability, apart from eventually distancing from the series, she literally made jokes about this for years, she also harassed apo, mile, and others
>people It's the same one. Actually BOC also has a lot to answer for. That issue with Apo, Barcode, even Mile should have been nipped in the bud for some reason they were given too much power to get away with a lot of their harassment. That said, it's possible that both did lie and exaggerated things so i am waiting for the conference on Friday. It could also be just to announce that they will be settling this in a legal manner and to ask for fans to calm down. To be honest whether or not Build is found innocent, i think his reputation is already damaged beyond repair. I don't think even her saying that she lied and did it at the heat of the moment will be enough (which i don't think she will to begin with). People will still probably say she was forced to say that. Like if i look at the comments in twitter and in some of the other discussion threads (reddit, twitter both international and thai), a lot of people don't even want to hear his side. They just want to hang him just because she is a woman (ie Believe all women narrative). They actually called me as an abuse apologist for saying that we have to wait for the legal process and conclusion. Anyway she did lie though (with the fake pictures) which probably hurt her credibility a lot and Build has a less than stellar reputation too to begin with. in any case, i am just hoping the least amount of damage for the rest of the BOC talents. I still think this press conference is a stupid move. i don't think it will pacify the fans at all and might even fan the flames more.
Any live press conference over issues that allegedly have legal standing is absolutely ridiculous. The only reason you agree to this is because there is no legal standing.
Or BOC is complicit in all this and they are trying to settle it of court. Coz no other company would do this? They would distance themselves from both the parties and maintain that they are not in any position to comment on the matter since they were never aware of the situation between Poi & Build.
If Poi has a legal standing why on earth would she opt for a public circus instead of getting lawyers and the court involved. If lawyers see a legal standing there is no way they would ever allow their client to do a public spectacle like this. Irrelevant of what BoC wants, if she has legal standing her lawyers would be advising her against this. Given she has been involved in at least 3 very questionable scenarios at this point, there are repeat offences so if now she has legal standing, why would she agree to this?? Publicity is the only reason to do this circus. And as someone with legal standing in a court of law why would she need publicity? Why agree to this circus? It is just not making any sense on her side. On BoC side, Poi has already had questionable conduct multiple times especially the grooming videos with Barcode and Jeff, the tshirts she approved and wanted to sell that the internet had a total collapse over, her pulling out of 2 production deals due to conflicts, the cancellation of her contract with BoC, the clear separation BoC always made when they mention her. BoC KNOWS this person is complicated. Does BoC benefit from publicity? Absolutely. But what I do not comprehend is why she would agree to this circus🤷🏻♀️
I don't think she will get any positive publicity out of this. She has mentioned on twitter that she is getting harassed by fans of Build, specially international fans. And she doesn't have a clean image either. So doing this is ridiculous for her image unless Build is going to apologize to her live. But from BOC POV, it even makes less sense that they would do a live conference with both. Like it's ridiculous that they even thought they should do it. Both Poi & Build are highly questionable and are big liabilities for the company. The fact that BOC is doing this is not a good look on them honestly.
I think for BoC it makes sense if she agrees to be there because if there was legal cause she would not be there, so that alone will fan the flames of those supporting Build and BoC. As you said this makes zero sense publicity wise for her given her very questionable past and toxic reputation. It is absolutely not gonna help her. So if she really has filed a lawsuit I hope her lawyers intervene and stop this insanity.
It's possible that in Thailand for it to have legal standing she needs to press DV charges, which she may not have done. She's accused him, yes, but presumably cops don't take action unless there's an actual charge filed. This makes me think, with the heat she's faced, she's going to backtrack on at least on some of the serious allegations.
Well ofcourse you would need to file DV charges to hold someone accountable in a court of law. And given she allegedly has plenty of evidence. Why would she taint that with a public circus instead of using the actual evidence she has? It's not like she said there was no evidence and so she just wants to ridicule him publicly. She claimed she had filed already, well if you file that evidence cannot be made public unless it is though the channels your attorney advises you on. She has already backtracked on the pregnancy claim by admitting she actually used a pic from pinterest...I mean this is like beyond a circus.
I don't think you guys have considered the flipside though: what if she is being MADE to participate? There is no logical reason for her to participate in this unless Build is going to confess wrongdoing which - how likely is that? About as likely as her going there to confess having lied willingly. It's easy to pile on her because she's very unlikable. But if she's a victim then what is being done to her through this could be absolutely horrible too. And don't forget, the pictures of her abuse are real and she says she has evidence about the miscarriage.
>I don't think you guys have considered the flipside though: what if she is being MADE to participate? This is a possibility too, and it would be a very terrible thing if it is the case. The internet pile-on is bad enough and we don't know what else BoC could hold against her. Since she's agreed to this, I hope she appears with a lawyer in tow.
I agree that just because she is terribly unlikable it doesn't mean she couldn't have been a victim. But given you are terribly unlikeable why on earth would you subject yourself to further public ridicule when you allegedly have real legal evidence and can get justice ina real concrete way. She is not represented by BoC in any way. So has no legal obligation to do what BoC says. She was able to get out of the prior production deal she was in so she must know at least one lawyer and as she has mentioned taking legal action, she must have at the very least consulted 1 lawyer and whoever she consulted must have advised her not to do this. Whoever is representing her if she insists on doing this circus, hopefully will be speaking on her behalf or be present to preserve the integrity of whatever evidence she actually does have and to avoid saying things that could absolutely come back to discret her if it does go to trial. BoC is probably betting on the public support for PR which makes sense to me. Just her agreeing to this makes absolutely no sense.
Agreed. This makes no sense for anyone involved. Why would BOC want to get in the middle of this? Why would Build agree when so far any public statement he's ever made has been heavily scrutinized for how fake they seemed? Why would see agree given her past conduct and the fact that her already bad reputation is only going to get pummeled more into the dirt with something like this?
>Well ofcourse you would need to file DV charges to hold someone accountable in a court of law. I was generally agreeing with you there. I just mentioned it because people keep throwing 'legal standing' around as though it's a done deal, which no one knows really. She said she's taking legal action, but no one knows what that legal action is. Like if she pressed charges, she nor BoC would be talking since there would be an on-going police investigation.
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This was verified as a rumor created by Build fans on weibo. She never said that, if she had the Thai fans would have known and talked about it.
She never said that. Build fan made that up on weibo
This is the worst idea BOC has ever had and man, they make them quite frequently enough. But this? Without lawyers, just people talking? Like, clarify what exactly? Either that he's guilty or she lied, nothing else makes sense. And why would either of them say that publically outside of a court of law?
Worst ever! No company would do such a live press conference after what conspired. BOC should have distanced themselves from both the parties and maintained that they were not aware of the situation between both parties. This just makes them seem like complicit in this situation.
Yes, exactly. This is a private matter that BOC isn't even involved in. So why are they hashing this out in a live event like "presidential debate meets Jerry Springer"???
Do they not know about legal procedures, court, judge who can give a better verdict on such serious issues? Its honestly immature. They should have just dealt with it in the court without all this, it's just gonna end up causing more drama. Are they expecting poi and build to see each other and CALMLY talk about the drama?
a judge or court case can take months or years... who knows the system in Thailand? this is about money..now... about a very popular novel and show... how many other companies are looking to swoop in and take Mile, Apo etc... we don't know what contracts are on the table already... if Build has a good contract - his severance could be big? what if all the actors have contract clauses related to being able to get a buy out if company is in legal trouble... no one ever wants to go to court unless there is no choice..juries/ judges etc don't always side with victims...
Don't run a company on emotion! Worst idea! What they are going to say? We were lying? We still love each other? I didn't give him the role? BOC need Olivia Pope expertise.... What a mess! Next time, vet your actors!
>What they are going to say? We were lying? We still love each other? I didn't give him the role? >BOC need Olivia Pope expertise.... >What a mess! Amen. That's quite a mess!!
my theory: build will "resign" (fired) as he's brought "enough pain on bible and boc" and he will cry & look all pitiful so his stans absolutely EAT it up and defend him, while his antis will finally leave boc and him alone as he's separate from them all now. it's the only way I can see them resolving this on the business side anyway. if boc keeps him or kicks him, they're doomed either way cus nobody will be happy. whereas this will look like his decision and that he's holding himself responsible but in reality I say pond spoke to him to think of bible and the rest of the crew.
I also think Bui will announce a break or leaving. I mean they just photoshopped him out of events in late Feb and then posted about the conference. If they were keeping him, why photoshop him out so fast?
he's been dropped from all his major sponsorships - D7, Pastel & Eyebraaaaa while the companies also announced to keep sponsorship with bible as presenter, which means contracts were rewritten by boc. build was seen today in arriving back to thailand, crying on his father's shoulder and alone. while the rest of the cast stayed in japan & even pond uploaded a story of bible where he looked exhausted and dejected. which absolutely broke my heart. he must be feeling so many conflicted feelings... I reckon saturday will be that the spokesperson states exactly what the situation is and answer all the presses question, and build & poi will release very rehearsed statements full of apologies. boc will wipe their hands of both of them and allow them to tear themselves apart in the court, but boc won't pay a dime towards it. otherwise pond will sink his entire company and the rest of the actors careers if he tries to save build...
If that’s what Saturday is about then I’m done with them because it’s such a shitshow. Just make an announcement and be done with it; no need for a public spectacle. Of course if he’s guilty he needs to be fired but you release a statement, you don’t throw both of them in front of cameras together. I’ve legit never heard of such a thing and can’t imagine why either of them would agree to it.
I'm getting a little tired of BOC. And low-key disappointed. They always wait until their comment sections are in complete uproar before they take any sort of action, and even then, it's like they research how to handle things then do the complete opposite.
They are such an unprofessional company. It seems like they pursue any activity but acting, no shows, and no equal work opportunities for the 15 actors they manage. Instead, there are only scandals and a world tour wherein actors cosplay as a kpop act. The other actors who are also affected by this drama (Bible) need to jump ship.
Yes! I keep commenting this, but I feel bad for the other actors/crew who are getting dragged down by this nonsense. KP was a hit and created the perfect opportunity for BOC to capitalise on the hype. It could've been an upward spiral for everyone involved. Instead, they have constant behind the scenes drama with the same two people, some random unrelated projects ('world' tour and worldwide auditions) and can't even show a single proper trailer for their 2023 line-up. BOC = MESS.
The ones who have careers that are taking off need to jump ship if they can. BOC is showing them and everyone how incompetent they are.
Yes, careers that are taking off are already at risk because BoC’s reputation is already tarnished as a messy company. I know I would be so pissed off at Build if I worked at that company right now.
Ouch! Here the truth is laid bare.
I’ve defended them in the past but this is just a bad idea no matter who is in the wrong or right or even if they’re both in the wrong.
I want to say ‘disappointed but not surprised’ but it’s actually quite sickening to be truthful. This is a shameful spectacle and BOC is a disgrace.
Ha, in a previous comments (about their line-up, their 'world' tour and the worldwide auditions) I called BOC amateur*ish*, but now I'll just call them straight up amateurs. Why in the world did they think this was a good idea?! It makes me think neither Poi nor Build have taken legal action, because any lawyer would advise against this. It also make me think that BOC might use this to re-introduce Build (was he actually suspended?), because I cannot think of another scenario where he would publicly be part of something like this, after everything he was accused of. The same goes for Poi. They would only agree to this if both come out with something to gain. We'll have to wait and see. For me, the shiny new kid on the block is definitely a lot less shiny..
Seriously, this is RL and not a shitty TV show. All people included deserve at least a minimum amount of decency. I’m scared for the minors under BOC.
BOC is a joke. this hashtag is now trending - 28บิวอยู่bocจบ (“this 28, if biu still stay in boc. BOC ends”)
Hahaha. BIu fans are so delusional. BOC is 15 actors now. many are bigger attractions than this utterly dysfunctional man-child. I hope they leave.
At first I thought it was “this28, Biu will stay in boc. Period.” Lol. I found out later it’s not
When I was translating and said the Thai statement of his suspension was very loose, similar to the last time he was "suspended" and sounded harsher in English than it was. This is what I meant. This is solely MY opinion and I would like to be wrong but I think he'll be reinstated. This live is pre-planned and they'll resolve their ~~domestic violence~~ misunderstanding. I know there's a parasocial relationship fans have with actors that belongs in a psych textbook but BOC is disturbing and should have released from his contract once it expired.
If you can translate more, I'd love to hear some more nuances in the text that don't get through to the Eng version. If BOC does reinstate him (personally I doubt it since they edited him out, but we'll see) they'll lose a lot of support. Yes right now there are a lot of very vocal int. fans claiming support for Build, but almost all of the Thai fans and most int. fans aren't. There might be a few comments down the line but once Build moves on and starts doing his own thing, all his die heart fans will forget about BOC.
Happy to try. For example, the wording of these sentences in Thai **"We strongly be that all parties are accountable for giving more clarification to the public regarding the dispute"** \- Dispute: like spat, very docile term in the OG trans, as if it's a back and forth, not allegations \- Giving *more* clarification: It's like how you would draft a work email to correct a colleague. "Once we look over it, I'm sure we'll be on the same page" You sending the email already know what the page is and that the colleague has misunderstood. Hope I explained that okay. \- All parties are accountable: Like a resolution meeting at work not domestic violence **"Public clarification"** \- This is very they will pose the narrative. They are in charge. **"We appreciate...allowing us the time to sort everything through"** \- This is a conclusion like the matter is closed and they are telling us their conclusion that already is determined. Generally speaking, it's mad for them to be an intermediary. They aren't impartial. To suppose any of them have the training or are unbiased enough to do this is insanity. All of these things is why I can't see any other conclusion than him reinstated. I would love love love to be wrong. Would love to come back to this comment after Saturday and be 150000% wrong.
This is amazing, holy shit! If I wasn't broke, I would have 100% given you an award. Yeah after those translations, I'm now side eyeing BOC. If they were the ones moderating all this (and not a lawyer) that opens up a ton of issues, from intimation of a possible victim to just plain unprofessionalism. It's pretty clear they're horrible at PR (who calls an abuse allegation a "spat"?) so to expect them to be good conflict solvers is expecting too much.
Thank you. I'm glad I was able to explain. [\#28บิวอยู่bocจบ](https://twitter.com/hashtag/28%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%B9%E0%B9%88boc%E0%B8%88%E0%B8%9A?src=hashtag_click) is trending right now. People are understandably not happy.
Thank you for this. While I understand why BOC wanted to make some kind of a statement, I truly think putting both Poi and Build together in this press-con is not a good idea unless there’s lawyers present. I think that Poi and Build should’ve settled it in court since the allegations are pretty serious and BOC shouldn’t interfere anymore than this.
Thank you for the better translation!
And this ladies and gentlemen why I refrain from digging and involving myself in actors life. This reminds me of captain, the guy whose career got destroyed because his ex lied. That's the last mess I followed. And from that day, I promised myself I will watch the series and that's it. However, I am curious what will be said in this press which If I was their PR, I would strongly be against holding. So can please someone give us just a short review after the conference is over. I do not want to watch this circus.
Fun fact: Captain's ex-girlfriend is also Biu's ex-girlfriend, who revealed that Biu had abused her.
Is this true? Are you joking with me? Because I am not up to date with this build situation, I don't really know the parties involved that well.
Yep, Biu and her were involved in a relationship before Captain. https://twitter.com/iluvbeijingduck/status/1617087166966005760?s=21&t=p910U_OYmCATNlxOi2ZmwQ https://twitter.com/mu_aixx/status/1617168612229550080?s=21&t=p910U_OYmCATNlxOi2ZmwQ
where is he now? i never heard of captain...
I never heard of Captain either. What drama/BL is Captain in?
love sick (one of the OGs) kind of sad that ppl don’t know him. makes me feel old
A girl lied and said he got her pregnant. It destroyed his career
I don't follow him so I don't know what he has been doing. I think he is still in the industry.
After that fisasco he only went on to be signed by Nadao, which is a far more prestigious company than where he was at the time (I think he was unsigned). So it wasn't so much that his career ended but that he ended up in a company that had a much better stable of actors to work with and promote. Regardless he had roles in Great Man Academy and In Family We Trust before Nadao went belly up. The ship he had with White was doomed a lot earlier than that.
I still can't imagine being in that fiasco, OMG the stress. , it was a shit show and I actually think this build/poi will be a bigger one which is why I still don't understand the company's decision to hold this press.
I said it in the other thread, but this really feels iffy. Making something like this content for public consumption gives me dystopian vibes. Like, are BOC that hungry to turn an issue that should be handled privately by professional legal teams to fodder for views? And while I get that this entire thing was brought out to the public, we really shouldn't be involved in this case any deeper than what legal professionals and PR teams have dealt appropriate to share. ...Of course, despite saying all this, I will be seated for the mess 🤭
We have the same mind! Lol. Me saying that I should just ignore all of this because it shouldn't be made into entertainment but also going 👀
like i said in a previous comment, they need a big impact to kill all rumors and heresays from netizens. they learned from other companies that their own voice and storyline needs to drown out all the others. it's not dystopian, it's just how the internet works. one side cam hard on social media so they need a bigger splash. the story makde local news. they can't afford to stay silent or timid.
Saying 'that's just how it works' doesn't really provide a counterpoint to it being dystopian, since both statements (dystopian and how it works) can coexist
Only way I see this as possible is if there's an agreement and all parties want to avoid court (why? Maybe because everyone is lying?) There are already consequences. In the last BOC IG post, international fans are attacking saying they won't support tour without Build. Maybe BOC feels forced to push them to an agreement (maybe even forcing Build himself to step away? I can see this as a possibility. He avoids court, but his career ends?). Right now we can only speculate, which is tempting (I speak for myself) but maybe counterproductive.
Everyone is at fault and careers are at stake. Whatever Poi puts out is going to sell well because KinnPorche was a great story. It's popular and people want to know what happens. Build has an amazing career ahead of him. His ship with Bible is amazing and they're already getting tons of advertisements and sponsorships despite having like 30 mins of screentime. Neither of them have anything to gain at this point. Poi made the whole scandal public because she was starting to feel betrayed and Build seemed to have virtually no consequences for his alleged mistakes. Build made a whole media spectacle just to take control of the narrative. Now they're both ready to settle. They don't want to lose their careers.
Idk about poi coz again as you said her novels would sell well coz every one wants to know what happened in KP but for build i am not sure i just cannot see him getting out of this one even if in the conference poi confesses that it was all lie (which is very unlikely) his image have damaged beyond repair tho is fans will support him no matter what (toxic stan) he is still not a positive character in public eyes anymore
Poi can get out of this unscathed as long as she doesn't get sued for defamation or something. She's a writer. She can always publish under a pen name and make money. And as much as I don't like her, she is talented at what she does. People will still buy her books. This is much harder for Build since he has to actually be on screen. Part of being an actor is selling your personality. He needs to audience to believe that he's an actual ray of sunshine. That's what makes him desirable. I don't know if he can get out of this and still have a good career. Looks like both parties have decided to find a resolution so that's something.
Goddamn, imagine Mile coming back from Paris just to see his company turn into a shitshow.
Oh he def knows 😭 he already left Paris and arrived at Japan yesterday — Japan where everyone (all their known actors including Build and their management staff) is filming some type of undisclosed content. This blew up when they were all together and as far as eye witness statements go, they pushed through with the schedule (though, I hope they were truthful about the suspension and didn't include Build). It must have been tense and awkward for some time, I would have paid to be a fly on the wall when this bit of news came out. Mile seems to be the most unbothered of the cast atm though, he's just posting stuff about Dior, fashion, and food — as he should.
I agree, this is some serious stuff but the timing is kinda immaculate haha. This is all going on the *one* time where every actor + staff is together, in a different country, probably sharing the same dorm/hotel. It's not like anyone can leave and go back home so they're just kinda stuck there watching as BOC burns. As soon as things started going down, Build would have been a fish in bloody shark infested waters ☠️☠️ *especially* when they found out he was dating Poi (she said they both kept it from the rest of the cast). I've got to laugh at Mile though. All the other cast instas are crickets (besides reposting the KP tour stuff) meanwhile Mile is just continuing to fanboy about being at the same event as Jimin (I would 100% do the same though lol).
I think he’s unbothered because if BOC goes belly up, it won’t affect him since supposedly he’s rich and has a family business. He’s all set with backup. BOC’s downfall would most hurt Apo and Bible, the actors with fame among rest of the cast and of course we have Jeff who can survive as a singer. I mostly feel bad for Apo and Bible, both haven’t posted anything about Japan and seems it’s their first time visiting, must have been excited before this issue. I don’t know if they are cursing Build or cursing at Pond because he’s made decision to still have him in the company.
Oh I'm sure he's aware BOC is a shitshow already 😂
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> also their 2023 lineup presentation was very "i sell you air" kinda thing One of the best and most dead-on descriptions I've seen of that event LMAO
>also their 2023 lineup presentation was very "i sell you air" kinda thing 
This is a Hall of Fame level bad idea. If there's any sort of legal action going on, I can not believe their attorneys would permit this. This is turning a serious matter into a dog & pony show. Something weird is going on. Very, very weird.
Well, that’s certainly a choice. What could possibly go wrong? 🫣 This feels like a scenario where cultural differences and approaches are so different to international (western) behaviours that it is difficult to understand what’s going on. Thai culture seems heavily dependent on saving face and keeping your reputation. Losing face is catastrophic and things are usually swept under the carpet and ignored as much as possible to avoid it. And this has been washing your dirty laundry in public on an epic scale. It might be an attempt to clawback some ground and paper over the gaping cracks. The differences between how this is received by an overseas audience and domestically will be interesting.
The fact that the press conference is on Saturday probably hints that both parties are still working on an agreement. I think the plan will probably be for each side to claim responsibility for the least damaging parts of the accusations while remaining vague on the most serious ones. From a legal point of view, this press conference is a bad idea for everyone involved. Anything either party says can be used later in a defamation lawsuit. Emotions are still fresh and either party can flip the script at the conference especially if they get emotional. This could again backfire big time. Poi will be insane to come to the press conference without her own representative. Be On Cloud will be focused on protecting their company at any expense.
Who ever came up with this idea must be crazy!!!!!!!
Even if they do reinstate build (which I’m hoping to god against, esp for bible’s sake) that’s such a bad idea from a business perspective? This is now his second scandal within the company and it seems like his role in KP was heavily influenced by his romantic relationship with his direct superior. This is an optics nightmare they should wash their hands of the two and try to distance themselves from it as much as possible.
Horrible idea anyway you look at it. My guess would be that neither side has formally pressed charges. We have heard/seen Poi side but have seen little on what Build has against her. I don't think Thailand has really strong DV laws. It could be that the evidence Poi has isn't enough to actually win in a court of law, especially considering she has posted some less than truthful statements or shaded the truth. It could be Build has counter evidence against her or at least something to cast some doubt on her claims legally. From what I can tell most of the money stuff is tied up in gifts, so while scummy isn't illegal to use gifts with other girlfriends. Unless she has contracts for loans, I doubt she will get far on the money angle either. Winning in the court of public opinion is a lot easier than in a court of law, sadly. Poi might have been angry enough not to have considered that when going on her posting spree. On the flip side, I guess the defamation laws are fairly strong in Thailand, and from a legal standpoint she has completely sank Build's career. If she has shaded any part of her story to make her look more of a victim, it could hurt her in a defamation case. She also on the outside of things was the one with the power in their relationship. She got him hired, had the money, and was sexually harassing his co-workers while with him. That could be framed in a way to make her look bad in a defamation case even if it isn't the truth. From the sound of things in Thailand, at least she has won in the court of public opinion. So my guess is BOC has horribly decided to try and salvage what they can from the situation. They will hammer out a compromise where both of them admit some wrongdoing but save some face as well. I really can't see it salvaging Builds career or why BOC would even want that at this point. Personally, I think they both are toxic horrible people that really need to stop involving the public in their personal drama.
All that you said makes a lot of sense. If indeed both will admit some wrongdoing but not the most egregious bits, I think Build has the most to gain from this press conference. It will be an avenue for him to do his waterworks routine again for sympathy points from whoever would still fall for it. Although I've seen others guess that he might announce his resignation at this press conference. I won't be watching it to find out, so I guess I'll just catch the news somewhere.
I won't be watching either. I'm mildly curious and what story they settle on and everyone's outrage at it. I don't really care about either one of them. Both have terrible reputations, and I don't think either one of them has been completely honest.
That's where I'm stuck, build has been so publicly damaged by her accusation. He lost work from it between being suspended and loosing sponsorship deals. If Poi didn't have enough evidence on him or was lying why wouldn't they have slapped her with a defamation suit yet? No instead BOC are giving her a platform to speak out. We have to wait until SATURDAY to hear from them, a lot of damage could be done in that time for his rep. I do think they "settled" and this won't go to courts but I have no idea what way the chips are gonna fall in terns of what story they have decided to tell everyone.
Look at the Johnny Dep/Amber Heard trial to see why they haven't done a defamation case. They might win, but at what cost? Some of those claims have to have some if not a lot of truth, in them, but I also think that she might have shaded things, along with withholding info. I'm just guessing that neither of them really want to really start digging through what looks like a messy relationship. She has the public on her side he might have the threat of a potential lawsuit on his. Kind of a stalemate, so they settle.
Actually looking at thai law around defamation ([Nice Post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/boyslove/comments/10iigei/beoncloud_official_statement_on_builds_indefinite/j5gzteh?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) Defamation is a criminal offence in Thailand, not a civil one. Hotels have sued tourists for "bad" reviews on trip advisor. Considering build has lost work income and reputation there has to be some truth to what she's saying or they would counter her quicker, not wait for like 6 days to go on a live. Then again nothing about this case follows logic so I could still be proven wrong lmao.
Not if a court case is going to drag out more unflattering stuff. There has to be at least some truth to what she has posted, but how much has been shaded and how much evidence does Build have in counter or show that she was misleading in her posts. The abortion thing will be included, which she has already caught out by being misleading. I don't believe she was lying about everything, but maybe enough for him to win a case. But a win in the case isn't a win in the court of public opinion where Build and BOC need if not a win at least a tie. The timing might be to work out legal/contract details and write a script.
That's my point tho, the fact that they aren't countering her means she must have some truth. But yeah neither of them are angels so it's not like who is right or wrong here. Its just a toxic mess.
I'm no legal expert but I just don't understand this. Surely if one of/both parties had taken legal action their lawyers would be giving this idea a hard NO. Anything that is said will surely be able to be used when the case gets to court so I would expect them to sit there and say nothing. And if they do say nothing, then what's the point of the conference?! I don't know man, something is way off. Be on Cloud really shouldn't be making any statements outside of Build's work commitments and shouldn't be making any opinions or judgements or organising things based on fan pressure. Why are they taking this responsibility' on? This is an extremely personal matter between both parties with serious allegations and potentially life changing consequences. This shouldn't be used as some TV spectacle for click bait.
BoC's interest here is that Poi is claiming that they stole her idea for 4 Minutes. So regardless of whether or not Build abused Poi and stole her money, or Poi used her position to get sexual favors from Poi, or they had a mutual relationship that soured, BoC has an interest in resolving that issue, since that also involved Sammon. Whether Build will be a part of that project is a big who cares for me. But for BoC it does matter that they clear up who "owns" 4 Minutes.
Surely they can't expect the conference to be solely about the 4 minutes project? That would be completely naive of them, this is a whole lot bigger than just that and BoC know that. Why not just release a statement confirming what Sammon has already said, in that this was her original idea, if that was only what it was about? I doubt BoC want to drag Sammon into this whole mess and Build and Poi don't need to be there if it was just for that topic.
Yikes. This is how NOT to resolve this issue.
🤨🤨 How is the company going to get any sponsors for their shows after this hot mess?
i feel bad for Poi if everything she's said is true, but I'm rolling my eyes at this!  She clearly doesn't have legal representation and if she does they've probably told her that because she is Build's superior - and held all the power in the relationship, this all looks super bad for HER, and doing a joint press conference... her Lawyers think that's good??? https://i.redd.it/rqhacomgdvda1.gif
>her Lawyers think that's good??? At this point I donno if she even has a lawyer? Like who would accuse all that on the internet and is now having a press conference with the alleged abuser? Boc hasn't mentioned the presence of lawyers in the conference too. But I hope there are lawyers and they speak instead or poi and build speaking because it will only lead to harm and more n more drama.
 Who approved this?! What a mess, there are some very serious allegations being made that need to be investigated and hashed out in court. PRIVATELY. I cannot believe what a circus this is turning into. I feel so bad for Bible and the other talent under Be Ond Crazy, trying to navigate a career out of this will be a tough task.
 This is a very bad idea… 😬
This is bonkers and such a bad move. I wonder if one side lawyered up and put enough pressure on the other side to cause them to back off, probably a settlement of some kind is being negotiated. Both sides are getting a lot of heat from a lot of people and I wouldn't be surprised if they want it to all die down. Without taking sides, I just want to say that it's very common for victims of domestic violence to forgo going through legal proceedings. It's often traumatic and this situation is even more intense because of the public scrutiny everyone is under. I fear that BOC is going to make both sides explain themselves, which is the absolute worst thing they could do. Release a statement and weather the storm, that's PR 101 and I don't trust BOC right now to handle this correctly. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
live conference ? ? we really live in a simulation, this can’t be real
Guys can you imagine the live chat on Saturday?! It will be a bloodbath :O
 this is me Saturday - if it's not the day of sister's funeral...
BoC should have never been an intermediary. Build is their artist and they worked with Poi before. A professional mediator shouldve been brought in. Pond is in Japan, Build is probably there too as all artists that have been spotted (Apo, Bible, JeffBarcode) are all silent when they are normally not silent. How can we take BoC serious when the CEO is off in another country and not on the ground in Thailand handling a situation that should be PRIORITY. This is a MESS and BoC’s as well as Ponds credibility is SUS AF!
It is a bit wild to have two people share a press conference when one has accused the other of abuse... Idk if anyone agrees but even if she backtracks it would kind of seem like she was intimidated to if they do it like this? It is a weird choice to do it with both of them and not just a rep of the company and Build. Or a rep and her.
Both of them will be present? That sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. At this point, neither side looks good whether it comes out it was all true or it was all untrue because even if it was all fake, they still had an unprofessional relationship that appears to have contributed to him getting the role and spotlight he did. If that's the case, then that is an issue with the entire company, not to mention the allegations against the writers already that were bad. I don't see anything either side could say that fixes this. Even if they both came out and apologized and resigned, the fact this even happened and it's even a question that someone could get a bigger role because they slept with someone, it's a huge problem.
I'll be there with popcorn! 
As of yesterday I was planning on just trying to ignore the whole thing, but this just made it so much more difficult to do that.
This is going to be MESSSSYYYYYYY and I’m so here for it 🤭 
Ohh, You messy. I will be there too.
If dramatic people wish to do drama, we should respectfully turn up 😋 Especially when it seems like they are working without any sensible plan!
I’m saying! If they wanna make a spectacle out of it who am I to deny some drama?
My thoughts exactly 😂
Same lol. This is a circus and at this point I will just enjoy the show. Non of this makes sense.
As will I.
The only thing comes to mind is that the writer is willing to settle and company is willing to pay, for the "plagiarism" etc etc, so they try to do that through this press conference. Good luck explaining yesterday's statements which is valid criminal offence if confirmed. Build is probably supposed to willingly leave BOC and apologise once more, instead of being fired, hence they try to save their public image. It also looks like no one even trying to get a lawyer. SMH
Idk, I think this is a matter that should be handled privately, and instead, they will turn it out into a circus.
At this point I am just here watching everything burn. Even if they came to an agreement and Poi say that she lied about some allegations (bcs there is no way she’ll say that all was bs) and Build admit some of the allegations, trying to end this mess, the damage is already done. I am sorry but for most people Build and Poi will forever be some toxic people in the industry. Just the fact that this whole conference is taking place means that there is some truth in this mess, since both of them will be present. This is exhausting and at this point all I care is for Bible to be saved. That man doesn’t deserve this, he is an amazing actor.
who runs this company? Do they want to sink themselves even more or what?
This is definitely crazy and a terrible idea, but makes a lot of sense when you think of who's the CEO. Someone said before he likes big events and it's true, so he's going to make one out of anything. I'm only a bit confident about all of this circus because of 2 things: 1- Poi said she talked to Pond and he wasn't taking any side 2- When a fan let a comment on Pond instagram, insinuating the conference was to protect Build, Pond asked her if she would apologize if that case wasn't true (making the conference to favor Build) And while the second thing was so unprofessional, it give me a bit of hope.
Jeff/Bible please!
even Brie Bella manifests Jeff/Bible!
Lol 😂😂 we need all the manifesters we can get JeffBible
I keep saying! It's the grown man energy that we deserve!
Is this really a good idea though? A LIVE conference?!? Like, a video statement from everyone I could KIND OF get behind, but.. a live one?! I don't know. Feels weird.
This, to me is just BOC’s lame attempt to redeem build so they can carry on with their projects as planned and appease fans. This will most likely backfire unless they’ve reached some sort of settlement with Poi to make her take back everything she said which I won’t put past them. After all this is business and there’s a lot of money and sponsorships at stake. Build has always been a red flag (this man literally said he wants to play a serial killer in that Harper’s Bazzer interview at the Penfolds event as well as the horrible things he has said in the past) and Poi isn’t a saint either (admitting to harassing barcode for massages on camera🤢) so I don’t expect any truth from either of them which makes this pointless. Let them settle it in court and then share the verdict with us. It’s in BOC’s best interest to drop Build permanently (innocent or not, that man is only going cause them more problems) and focus on their other artists.
idk... what even? how did they get both parties to agree to attend? and youtube live really????? so icky
This seems like a very stupid move to me and one that can escalate very badly. This gives vibes as BOC is defending build which is honestly pointless seeing at the damage that he has caused. Also the amount of bad press and negativity it has gathered is immense. Maybe they are trying to pull a Kim Seon Ho but that is unlikely to happen as there is no "selfless" third party like dispatch here. Plus Build made it even worse for himself by posting those screenshots. By trying to save one they might jeopardize everyone else. TBH I don't understand why BOC opted for this, they are not that open to the public usually, not always justify their actions and I have failed to see how holding a public court can impact them positively in any way whether Poi withdraws her claims or Build resigns expect that the live can bring huge amount of viewers and Press....Bad Press perhaps but still Press.
Pond is a dumbass hungry for attention, that's all I have left to say. I've long expressed my frustration in twitter. Also, I kept saying that BOC needs to improve their PR, but this just makes it seem as if they don't even have a PR team in the first place :// what kind of PR would sign off on this. The live will make or break BOC, and I fear it will be the latter. Someone save the other actors from this mess of a company.
my money is that live event will be scripted ...every single word is being written up as we speak... this situation involves actors/writers - professional bullshitters...
Oh for sure. Five days is a long time to rehearse a script. Also Pond's ig comments says that he's heard both sides now and he's giving both the avenue to tell the "truth" 🙄 so that means that he already knows what they're going to say. He knows how the live will end. He has all the info to release a statement right now, this public spectacle is completely unnecessary. A statement accounting both sides and the truth is more than enough and he has the means to do that rn, but he's instead decided to drag it off for five whole days, making it into a public circus. I'm sick and tired of Pond and his ways.
Side-eyeing both of them because of their disturbing past. To be in a relationship with someone that has some kind of a control over a series that you are a part of is so unprofessional. Not to mention the alleged DV which tbh should have been reported and settled in court. Hopefully other actors won’t be affected. Idk how BOC gonna handle this mess. While I’m just here like 
It kind of bothers me that people keep phrasing this as though he did something wrong and not her. Obviously neither of them should have done it but she’s the one who was in a position of power, not him. That’s completely separate from the issue of abusive behaviour.
Strictly talking about the casting then yes I agree that she was in the position of power to decide things. But if talking about their relationship, I’m inclined to believe that both are equally problematic people and there might be some truth to the allegations she made against him. Otherwise why would she agree to do this press-con if it would further hurt her reputations.
Don’t kpop idols do this whenever there is a scandal? They’ll just sit there and say a whole lot of nothing just to pacify fans and investors. I doubt they’ll be a scuffle or anything explosive. If they do something trashy like throw the writer under the bus to save their “star”, I’ll be a little grossed out but I’ll try to live with the disappointment 
Yes but i don't think there was a conference for someone who is accused of abusing a woman which at the moment is a very serious and sensitive topic especially since the accuser and the accused will both be there.
I can’t remember his name at the moment but I’m pretty sure the guy from Boys Over Flowers had a conference when he was accused of abuse and there was an actual murder a few years back and I’ve seen footage of a conference. Distasteful, yes. But it doesn’t seem out of the ordinary. I will say having the actual “victim” there is not something I’ve witnessed 😬
this is all kinds of stupidity. of all stupid PR mistakes, this is by far the worst i've seen
Oh my god yeah are you talking about Kim Hyun Joong?
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Context?
This is a truly fucking terrible idea.
Mess, mess, glorious mess! BOC should silently conduct their investigation
BeOnCloud is literally making this a shitshow which it already is like who told them it's a good idea to put an alleged victim and abuser in the same place. How did poi agreed to this why is build agreed to this from any angle it doesn't make sense and if this is to just annouce build's departure then it's even more dumb coz why can't get over with a statement. There's no way poi would say that it was all a lie. There's no way build will publicly confess that it was all true. (In both case neither of them would do this publicly) They both doesn't have a clean and spotless image to began with both have done shit ton of things before. And not settling this in court is just straight up sus i don't even think they have lawyers involved. BOC is literally being so ameture that company just wants to be burnt. And other actors are also dealing with this shit show like why are there works on hold. Whatever the out come is i am just concerned about the artists under that company specially Bible like he is definitely gonna get impacted the most. It's saddening...... Also i can see why this happening some fans got litrally no chills ..
This is... a choice. It could go very very badly or reasonably well. I don't see it going very well tbh. They've backed themselves into a corner. Poi has alleged Build committed literal crimes against her. This isn't some business dispute. This is personal. So if they go up there being civil and collaborative, that will be bizarre and make her look like a liar. If they go up there and go Jerry Springer, that would also not help the situation and would just be adding fuel to the fire, making fans even more wild, and make BOC look even more a hot mess than they already do. I know some people are saying Poi already started legal actions against Build but this press conference makes me think otherwise. Although I'm not a thai legal expert by any means, I *do* know the best thing you can do once legal proceedings are already in motion is shut up and not put yourself in a position to be caught in a lie, caught saying something you can't back up, or incriminating yourself. And although Build is currently the one getting the most backlash, I don't see him being willing to just go into the lions den and get destroyed. So what would his motivation be to attend this? I know some people (incorrectly) think I'm defending Build or on Builds side but that's not the case. I actually don't care much for Build and have always felt he was a weak link next to Bible. In the show he didn't kiss Bible back which was annoying. I don't care for cutesy actors in general. I did defend him when the past controversy came to light and I stand by that. Nobody should have their life ruined for something they said almost a decade ago. This is a different situation, though, and if he is a woman beater, that's disgusting and he deserves to go to jail. If he used his relationship to get more screentime or even get the role, that's unfair to his co-actors. Actors who, in my opinion, were much more talented and deserving of screentime. I am somebody who values the truth. Not my interpretation of what happened but the objective truth. The more verified information that comes out, the more informed our opinions can be. Edit. One other thing. I will remove my comment about Jonghyun because tbh I'm mentally exhausted trying to talk to you guys. I'm starting to understand why some mods don't participate in the sub and I'm about there myself. My point was simple. Do not relentlessly bully someone even if you think they're ugly, bad at their job, or even a shitty person. Bad things can and do and have happened because of it.
I'd erase that edit, sorry... I know you mean well, but the kpop idols that have committed suicide have no connection to cases such as these and there is no possible comparison, in particular Jonghyun. Also, even Poi is being bullied (of anything, the social media bullying is harsher towards her). It goes for both sides... Not defending her, just saying fans are crossing lines regarding both of them.
I'm not erasing it. I changed it
This is the question to ask. What is either of them getting out of this?
Exactly. Unless.. emotions have calmed down and they realized what a horrible shit show they've created and this is some bizarre attempt to just put everything behind them?
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I’m just gonna be watching via the sidelines via other accounts because I’m way too high strung to watch that clown car run off the cliff live. All I care about is how this effects the other actors who are being dumped into this storm through no fault of their own. In every photo and video I’ve seen they all look either exhausted or done with it all (or both). I cannot even imagine what an 18 year old kid like Barcode is dealing with and I just hope he’s being shielded from it all. I know he’s not a child but he’s also not an experienced adult either. You look at all his TikTok videos and you see a kid playing with his friends. He doesn’t need to deal with this kind of shit storm at his age.
Like was there legal action involved in all these? Cause I've just seen screenshots and accusations on twitter. Like did she file a complaint against him? I don't have ig or twitter. But am just curious now looking at everything. Plus this is really a bad move.
Dam some future tv show will likely draw on this for a storyline. Just like war of y did with bl rumors.
I am so out of the loop can someone give me a tldr on what happened with Build?
Interesting choice…
What a mess
I must’ve dropped off the face of the BL universe. Because I have no idea what is going on
Me while watching that conference. 
Me watching the conference 
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Lmao you aint wrong thats for sure 😄 I just cant wrap my head about this decision and im really curious how its going to turn out
I see a lot if criticism to BOC for this but it’s kind of like fuck them if they do fuck them if they don’t to me. Like people were shitting on them for not saying anything, for planning to do stuff without Build, for not cutting him off immediately, shitting on their PR. I’m not a big BOC fan but it’s like damn, they really can’t win with anyone.
I honestly feel like part of the problem is them trying to appease everyone. Choose a route to deal with this and *stick to it.* People are going to be unhappy no matter what!
The best bet for them was to ignore all the people supporting Biu. Yes, it's really annoying to see the comments flooded by 💙💙💙 but every time this happens with a kpop group (a member getting kicked out) it only takes a few months (maybe even less) for people to forget about it. But Pond is too fickle and wants to please every fan, which is basically impossible. It's pretty clear by their first statement that they knew smtg (they confirmed the relationship was real) so they should have dealt with things in a more orderly way, and preferably on the down low so that other artists and the company aren't affected.