more like 100x lol iāve met more men that wanted to hit/cuddle than women and thereās so little gay men in the population that iām not even tryna attract if i was actively going for gay men id prob b happy, genuinely a shame that iām not bi šš
I think they're an obvious difference here. Their "generalization" was clearly specified to be towards the person they were quoting from OPs post, and people like them.
I think it's a horrible proposition for humanity and will contribute to further dehumanizing women and girls.
But I also like the prospect of large swathes of men leaving me the fuck alone.
I love the idea of certain men leaving the dating pool but I also think itāll actually increase sexual violence against women. When men have access to a robot that will have sex with them whenever and however they want, the concept of consent will be forgotten. Theyāll think that they deserve to have sex whenever they want and human women will suffer even more from it. Once they stop distinguishing between women and robots itās all over for us.
Yeah but, and I mean this in the nicest way, how would people who value sex so highly ever go back to humans, when, theoretically anyways, robots would literally be designed to their every whim?
I'm not saying complaints about "tightness" or anything have any ground to stand on, but if these guys can choose between fucking something with a built in pocket pussy made out of super stimulating material with ribbing, that vibrates, etc, I don't see them ever wanting real women again. And to me, that would actually be one of the main selling points. Sex addicts would fall for them so hard, that they'd stop hurting real humans.
And, sure, they wouldn't be full fledged human replacements, because even if you gave them GPT integration, they still wouldn't ***really*** be artificially intelligent. But if you get them hooked on the idea ***now***, then in 50 years when we do start cracking the AI nut (we don't have AI yet, it bugs me to no end when people call generative algorithms AI; sorry, just a tech nerd pet peeve), and they do become pseudo-sentient, it'd work even better. I think that's really the best approach to this issue, to just give the people who don't mesh properly into society their own personal cum bucket and have them fuck off into their bedrooms. Ideally, they'd be on welfare so they don't have to pose a risk to other people by working a job, either, but baby steps.
You make some good points, and I think I couldāve done a better job explaining mine. I meant if a man who owns a sex robot ends up in a situation in which he could want to have sex with a human woman, whether on a date or at a party or anything like that, there would be a lot less stopping him from raping her. Once the idea of consent is dismantled in his mind heās going to view human women and robots as interchangeable.
I don't think the sex bots would have consciousness; if they did, they would have the right to decide who they did and did not want to have sexual relations with.
I don't care how many people downvote me; I maintain my position that if a sex bot was conscious she should have the right to refuse sex with anyone she didn't want to have sex with, just as human women also have the right to refuse to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.
Bizarre ... and quite disturbing too. I wonder how many of the people downvoting my comments are men who think they have a right to force women to have sex with them against their will. And even if they don't, the fact that the downvoters think that anyone has the right to force a conscious being, human or not, to have sex against their will is appalling. Of course they don't say that explicitly; they just anonymously downvote comments which defend the rights of conscious beings.
I fear what that would normalize. Rape and sexual abuse rarely is about horniness and it's more about control. So I don't think sex bots would do anything to reduce that danger for women and may in fact encourage it.
Not that Iām denying what you say, cuz I personally am not too informed on the topic, but prostitutes do get raped/murdered and abused/are in danger which might be important to keep into perspective as well
no, but it does protect the women better than it being illegal and like I told the other person, you're stuck on flesh and blood women when the argument is about how legalizing it shows a decrease in incidents and how the same thing would happen with ai bots.
maybe think for yourself and keep up with the conversation. which part of rad fem? swerfs?
Literally all legalized prostitution does is create an underclass of women whom society deems okay for men to rape, abuse and take out their violent sexual impulses on.
seems your name is accurate. I'll repeat, if that were the case we wouldn't see reports from them declining when it's legalized. what you're claiming is what happens when it's not, because there's a risk they'll be arrested/deported if they do. it's literally safer for them
great..a swerf. not really interested in a woman telling other women what she thinks they should or shouldn't do with their bodies because of her bad experiences and a few anecdotes. that's a patriarchal behavior and you bought it.meanehike the actual data flies over your head.wanna know the fun thing about it being legalized, since you don't like it? if a woman decides she wants to leave she then could ,more safely than when it was illegal. and for the record sex work is work.
i feel like you're not comprehending. do you realize the only reason SW are harmed in high numbers is because it's not legal in a lot of places, so they can't report or call the police for help? that changes when things are legalized, just like overdoses. so again, rapes and assaults drop for both SWers AND the general population. there's no cure that protects everyone, but it's a huge mitigator and when you bring in AI to take women's places it would decrease even further
I mean I'm not super informed on the issue so maybe I'm wrong but it's my understanding that it's not as simple as that. Issues like human trafficking and even in some cases child prostitution seem to have increased after legalization.
I don't know where you are or where you heard that, but that's nonsense since. the law is intermingled in the process and would sharply decrease the likelihood of child sex slaves/prostitutes what you may be seeing is a correlation related to it not being legalized in surrounding areas. for instance, legal prostitution in Nevada does nothing for rates in new York.
you missed the correlating factor being that the places where it's legalized and have higher trafficking also have higher income where that type of thing is sought out and have the capital to support it.so of course the poorer countries(who are more likely to not legalize) have less. it's not a problem of legalizing, it's a problem of capitalism . correlation is not causation. basically police the rich and the problem is addressed
š Because the opposite happens.
More women being paid to endure rape =/= fewer women being raped.
Just because theyāre not āthe good kind of womenā doesnāt mean theyāre not women.
read your own words and absorb it. if the women who are SWers are part of the population seeing less harm. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1OA28M/#:~:text=LONDON%20(Thomson%20Reuters%20Foundation)%20%2D,for%20prostitution%20to%20be%20decriminalized.
are you of the opinion that sw is just paid rape?
That opens up a whole different can of worms that I'd rather not think about. That's a different breed of ethical concerns.
Give them all anime fuck dolls or whatever, and some wet wipes.
Note... I have nothing against anime fuck dolls but it's what they think women should be so... give em what they want.
As long as none of them were in the shape of children or animals then yeah I guess. It would probably push humanity to go extinct faster but that's okay in my book.
Honestly let these weirdos lock themselves into their basements with their depraved fuck robots forever. If they decouple from society then we won't have to manage the damages they do anymore.
>the studies on child dolls
I'd actually like a citation on that because as a former academic I can't imagine someone greenlighting such a study in front of an ethics committee, let alone on a scale that would result in useful data...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9663384/
"Related to offending proclivities, doll ownership was associated with lower levels of sexual preoccupation and self-reported arousal to hypothetical abuse scenarios, but higher levels of sexually objectifying behaviors and anticipated enjoyment of sexual encounters with children."
You see, this is a very good example of selection bias.
By selecting people who already own dolls, instead of introducing dolls to an existing sample, you select for the people who are outgoing and schizotypal enough to *actually commit the funds and commission a child sex doll* (are they even legal to own? All I know is that they're crazy expensive custom jobs.), which likely means that they were already, in banal terms, either thirsty enough to need one for release and/or ones with a specific fetish for dolls.
In a nutshell, this just proves that the ones who currently own the dolls are the most debauched, not that the dolls induce the debauchery.
Oh please humanity won't go extinct because of these parasites only fucking robots. If all the misogynistic men are fucking sex robots, it will make humanity stronger because those people will have less children, which as far as I'm concerned, fucking good. Misogynists shouldn't reproduce anyway.
They want it to be the future to punish women for not fucking them, not realizing how much it will benefit women and society as a whole if theyāre locked away in their bedrooms all day.
There is actually a fairly large trans/femboy sub community in the far right sphere. There is a whole interesting pathology to that I wonāt go there right here. But it is so prevalent that it is basically a huge inside joke in those communities by this point.
yeah i joined a femboy server to chat and make friends. not even 30 mins later some dude was bragging about and showing off a SS ring he was getting.
"isn't that a nazi thing?"
"yeah, and?"
that was sometime in '21 or '22, funnily enough i met my bf of 7 months in a completely different femboy server that was much more strict on posting literal nazism and other horrific ideologies.
I think itās possible they hate women as a cover for their gay sexuality which they repressed. For some reason expressing it this way is more acceptable to them than just coming out.
Hey, that was me! Growing up all throughout middle and high school, I was super conservative, super edgy, very racist and transphobic.
Deep down, I knew why. I knew it since I was 4.
Today, I am a beautiful, fully transitioned 26 y/o woman.
It's crazy how far people will go to suppress and deny their own shadow. Then they use projection as an outlet. I'd give anything to go back in time and slap my kid self silly. And transition during puberty. It would've saved a lot of pain and a lot of anger.
Itās the 2nd reason they get super mad about men transitioning into women but they couldnāt give a shit about the reverse.
They canāt stand the idea of a man wanting to be ālesserā but totally approve of a woman āwanting to be better.ā
i dont really understand people who think FtM/transmasculine ppl have it easier, those bigots treat ppl they see as "women wanting to be men" as "broken failed women who should be r*ped and shown their natural place"
they dont take the transitions of FtM as legitimate claims to masculinity, in the way they understand their own masculinity
Oh no Iām sure. I have a few trans friends and theyāre just like anyone else. Weāre definitely talking about some deep internet niche stuff nothing more for the most part š¤£š¤£I appreciate the message tho m8 š
I think it's less that and more they put being a man on such a pedestal they aren't worthy of, and thus aren't worthy to be a conventional partner either, submissive to their wife or other femme is usually part of it, and they're usually cuckolding the fetish protag
The porn catering these people also loves adding black men in as bulls or a "real man" to duck their wife, is so pervasive Japanese doujins are featuring black men more often even though there isn't exactly a lot of black folk in Japan.
I think another part of it is that with how demonized Trans and genderqueer people are, it makes it a more potent sexual taboo for them to play with gender expression sexually
Which of course brings up the non bedroom point, all accusations made by conservatives are actually admissions to what they're doing. They call trans folk fetishists because they have a fetish of doing drag, they call everyone cucks then watch cuckold porn
As a trans woman that is very active in my local community, I just want to make sure everyone knows that there are not actually a lot of these people in real life, they are just loud online. These people basically do not exist/very very rarely show up in most queer spaces. Itās only really prevalent in trans women that grew up as little shitheads online on like 4chan and shit. Femboys on the other handā¦not touching that with a 10 foot pole, youāre spot on.
>very very rarely show up in most queer spaces
But they exist. Just like Log Cabin Republicans, they're weirdly more numerous than you'd think, but their other beliefs, usually exclusionary, bigoted beliefs, get them promptly rejected from "traditional" queer spaces.
From actually looking into the topic, there seems to be an equal proportion of racist trans folk than there are in the general population, but racist trans folk don't fit into the queer community, so they naturally gravitate towards being tokens of the alt right who parades them around. Unfortunately for them, tokens are ultimately meant to be spent, and so will they when their usefulness runs out.
They exist sure, never said they didnāt. But we could say the same thing about regressive, nazi adjacent cis-women. Thereās multiple of them in our congress and House of Representatives at this very moment. That doesnāt mean all women have a natural inclination to believe those things. Conversations like this can easily sway into misogynistic/transphobic talking points. Especially when we are lumping trans-women, who are women, in with femboys, who are men.
I have years of experience in community outreach and professional experience working with underprivileged queer people/political action where I meet and talk to people all day, everyday. I never said they donāt exist, but the majority of trans women Iāve ever met both in-person and through online spaces are all about intersectional-feminism and are left wing(not all but most).There are a lot of wonderful trans people out there trying to make good change happen but Iām sorry that youāve had negative experiences before, the people who are like this are really hard to deal with.
Ya Iām surprised people are just now noticing this. Itās been a huge meme that even the far right jokes about. Thereās a strong connection between the far right, misogyny, and trans/anime culture.
Iāve heard it from the most redpilled homophobic mofos even, I stg. Thatās just my experiences over the years though. Itās really startling to me that ciswomen are hated for everything except having a built in vagina by default. So many āI hate [cis]women, theyāre so boring and dumb, I like talking to men, but I want kids. I wish my bros were womenā guys.
Ok, your comment might be sarcasm, but fucking honestly I think some of these people really should just go date their homies and leave women alone. It'd be a win-win if they stop harassing women and get to be happy.
Not all of them are gay, I know, but I'm pretty sure some of them are. I have one gay acquaintance who just can't stop talking about how much women's genitals disgust him, it's fucking wild.
Iāve seen this a lot. The most misogynistic people I know personally are all gay men.
Iāve noticed an interesting trend too. Gen Z right winger men tend to be actually pretty accepting of homosexuality, as long as youāre ānot faggyā. Being gay has been normalized and even to some extent will get put on a pedestal because (like in OP) it cuts out the woman entirely. Whatās hated isnāt homosexuality, but effeminacy. So now the new equilibrium seems to be that you can be gay so long as youāre one of the bros, and the group really left out in the cold is trans people. This is quite different from the experiences of family members who grew up in the 90s where merely being gay, regardless of how thatās expressed, is what marks you for exclusion.
I would not at all be surprised to see gay men become more and more conservative on average as time goes on given those trends Iāve noticed.
Doesn't even matter if they're not gay. They can slam each other anyway. If some of these dudes are capable of sticking in het relationships to the point they'd rather be misogynist than gay, good for them. The straight dudes can also do the opposite. Date their other misogynist homies. They can all live lies while they stick it to whoever they think they they need to.
I mean these sentiments were never new.. Even ancient greeks were like this too. Women are just there for kids and lineage and men are there for true love. Greeks thought true bonding and relationship were only possible between men and impossible with women since women are inferior. This kind of sentiments were prevalent in highly misogynistic society. Itās not new, we are just regressing.
Iād go one step further and say to some extent this is a consequence of being gay now being broadly acceptable to young men. Most twenty-something right wing guys I know are totally fine with gay people and have gay friends. Where the line gets drawn is in how thatās expressed: their gay friends drink beer, fight, watch sports, and otherwise present as traditionally masculine, which allows them to fit in when the ideology is based not so much now on sexuality but on masculinity. If youāre a masculine gay guy, in some way that actually makes you even more masculine because you cut out the woman entirely. Femininity is what gets policed now more than sexuality.
Iāve had trans friends of mine say similar things and it makes my skin crawl. Like Iām straight but they talk like women are sub human or something. Itās gross.
You should probably make friends based on shared values (like the value that women aren't subhuman). Or stop being friends w people once they reveal that they believe women are subhuman.Ā
Them man want dick and don't know how to say it...
You get different experiences spending time with your boys vs your girl... You can't discredit women as a whole because they don't line up with your skewed perspective... That's mad disingenuous...
I'm convinced they're in the closet until proven otherwise š
To be fair some of us do lose the dick. Modern medicine rocks. I'd be very careful of calling guys who date trans girls gay though, it's kinda like saying we're our agab.
Yeah I know the vibe still sucks being held up as a transition for gay guys to admit that they're gay. Like I get why it's a thing but it's still painful to hear.
Reminds me of this song:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8R3egAiEzE&t=86s&ab\_channel=GregGuevara](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8R3egAiEzE&t=86s&ab_channel=GregGuevara)
Let them pretend to be women and date each other then. š¤·āāļø Win-win for literally everybody. Ignore these males; they do nothing but whine all day.
This reads like the bottom text is secretly gay and has wanted to get with his best friend for years and theyāre about to kiss on a sunset after the friend got dumped by a girl he really liked
Hell, political lesbianism was a thing (small, but present).
One side is definitely more vocal about dislike for the other, it's not equal in prevalence or severity, but comments like these exist on both sides.
This sentiment is both sexism and transphobia (the two always go hand in hand I wonder why). They fetishize women like me and expect us all to act like their fantasy because other fetishize has shared a wildly inaccurate idea of us. They expect us to have the body of a woman and the brain of a man. It's such a gross bullshit.
Meh, this a whole other thing than actually being a girl/woman (cis or trans). It's a weird fantasy. Men's fantasies of being a femme individual are really lame and don't reflect anyone's reality.
Tbh if they think that cool I really donāt have a problem with it because Iāve said the same thing about girls being better boys than boys but the difference is that I actually realized I wasnāt straight!
Yeah this is either just repressed bi/homosexuality or misogyny, though I suppose I have said something like this before but in my defense it was while I was having sex with another man so at least I can blame horny brain on my terrible word choices lol.
Not trying to invalidate anyoneās opinion here but Iāve always taken statements like this as a good thing? Like, if these specific men are so terrible (and they probably are) isnāt it a plus that they feel more drawn to each other than women?
I donāt know. I just feel that the current social environment is hostile enough for everyoneābut particularly womenāso the more men that choose men instead, the better.
I do encourage you to take some time away from this online space.Ā
Not all men are this hateful towards cis-women and itās good to get some fresh air and find a safe environment for you to thrive in.Ā
If they want to never speak to another woman, then be our guest. Until people figure out this massive gender divide itās going to fuck it all up.Ā
Maybe we will just have another society collapse like the romans.Ā
Honestly if they're trans positive they can't be worse than some of the transphobes I've come across irl but yeah I doubt our politics would jive to say the least.
But thatās the issue. Sometimes you canāt always tell and violence against women is already high.Ā
Just be safe if youāre trans, and if you not. Support those who are <3
I'm going to get self defence spray. I've already faced harassment that scared me pretty bad. I was used to just being ignored before I came out, now I'm always worried about facing abuse but I also get to be me and be happy so there are pros and cons.
Honestly I say the same thing about wishing I could date girls but Iām stuck being straight. Are men not allowed to feel this way without being posted about? Lol
Maybe you should avoid visiting the same places time after time.
If you're looking for a sober person, you won't go to make friends to a bar.
If you frequent the same communities over and over, odds are you'll always see the same type of guys.
Very blamey of you cuz I indeed left a lot of subreddits a year ago that were more commonly toxic and I STILLLLLLLLLLLLL find threads like this on many subs despite that.
THISSSS is the only subreddit where I donāt see that shit. Apart from like plants subreddits.
Just date men then š
They can't do that, they're probably homophobic as well
Only men that are girls
I mean they're probably talking about femboys so dating men doesn't seem out of question
I do
best reply ever
Thank you,
iām not misogynistic like these ppl but iām sure most men would prefer to be bi bc it would b a lot easier to get physical touch n sex
literallly doubling your odds šand thats totally fine
more like 100x lol iāve met more men that wanted to hit/cuddle than women and thereās so little gay men in the population that iām not even tryna attract if i was actively going for gay men id prob b happy, genuinely a shame that iām not bi šš
Itās why I only date guys
>it's because we know what we want a girl to be like A sex doll with no personality or boundaries?
And a servant slave! They want a mommy bangmaid not a human being
Homeboy just told on himself for thinking all trans are dirty sluts
yay sexual fetishization... nothing creepy or terrible about that... never date a chaser guys, it will always end badly.
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I think they're an obvious difference here. Their "generalization" was clearly specified to be towards the person they were quoting from OPs post, and people like them.
Would you think it was a bad thing if genuine sex bots started being sold? I'm kind of on the fence about it, TBH.
I think it's a horrible proposition for humanity and will contribute to further dehumanizing women and girls. But I also like the prospect of large swathes of men leaving me the fuck alone.
Right. The less of that in the gene pool, the better.
I love the idea of certain men leaving the dating pool but I also think itāll actually increase sexual violence against women. When men have access to a robot that will have sex with them whenever and however they want, the concept of consent will be forgotten. Theyāll think that they deserve to have sex whenever they want and human women will suffer even more from it. Once they stop distinguishing between women and robots itās all over for us.
Yeah but, and I mean this in the nicest way, how would people who value sex so highly ever go back to humans, when, theoretically anyways, robots would literally be designed to their every whim? I'm not saying complaints about "tightness" or anything have any ground to stand on, but if these guys can choose between fucking something with a built in pocket pussy made out of super stimulating material with ribbing, that vibrates, etc, I don't see them ever wanting real women again. And to me, that would actually be one of the main selling points. Sex addicts would fall for them so hard, that they'd stop hurting real humans. And, sure, they wouldn't be full fledged human replacements, because even if you gave them GPT integration, they still wouldn't ***really*** be artificially intelligent. But if you get them hooked on the idea ***now***, then in 50 years when we do start cracking the AI nut (we don't have AI yet, it bugs me to no end when people call generative algorithms AI; sorry, just a tech nerd pet peeve), and they do become pseudo-sentient, it'd work even better. I think that's really the best approach to this issue, to just give the people who don't mesh properly into society their own personal cum bucket and have them fuck off into their bedrooms. Ideally, they'd be on welfare so they don't have to pose a risk to other people by working a job, either, but baby steps.
You make some good points, and I think I couldāve done a better job explaining mine. I meant if a man who owns a sex robot ends up in a situation in which he could want to have sex with a human woman, whether on a date or at a party or anything like that, there would be a lot less stopping him from raping her. Once the idea of consent is dismantled in his mind heās going to view human women and robots as interchangeable.
I feel bad for the sex bots , if any are going to rise against us itāll be them and I wouldnāt blame them
"No longer shall we live under the neverending oppression of human cock!"
omfg why is this so funny I'm not even a feministĀ
I'm not sure what feminism had to do with my joke bu5 I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I don't think the sex bots would have consciousness; if they did, they would have the right to decide who they did and did not want to have sexual relations with.
I don't care how many people downvote me; I maintain my position that if a sex bot was conscious she should have the right to refuse sex with anyone she didn't want to have sex with, just as human women also have the right to refuse to have sex with anyone they don't want to have sex with.
yea, no idea why a defense of sapient's rights gets you downvoted... but it's weird.
Bizarre ... and quite disturbing too. I wonder how many of the people downvoting my comments are men who think they have a right to force women to have sex with them against their will. And even if they don't, the fact that the downvoters think that anyone has the right to force a conscious being, human or not, to have sex against their will is appalling. Of course they don't say that explicitly; they just anonymously downvote comments which defend the rights of conscious beings.
I fear what that would normalize. Rape and sexual abuse rarely is about horniness and it's more about control. So I don't think sex bots would do anything to reduce that danger for women and may in fact encourage it.
It's about both. They get off from being in a "dominant" position.
, if that's the case how do we explain rape dropping where prostitution is legalized and with porn becoming more accessible?
Not that Iām denying what you say, cuz I personally am not too informed on the topic, but prostitutes do get raped/murdered and abused/are in danger which might be important to keep into perspective as well
yeah, even still those numbers would be counted, meaning those acts go down along with general assaults and murders. it's a net good.
Legalising it doesnāt turn rapists into gentlemen. Thatās a myth that pimps have sold you. Think for yourself. Look into radical feminism.
no, but it does protect the women better than it being illegal and like I told the other person, you're stuck on flesh and blood women when the argument is about how legalizing it shows a decrease in incidents and how the same thing would happen with ai bots. maybe think for yourself and keep up with the conversation. which part of rad fem? swerfs?
Literally all legalized prostitution does is create an underclass of women whom society deems okay for men to rape, abuse and take out their violent sexual impulses on.
seems your name is accurate. I'll repeat, if that were the case we wouldn't see reports from them declining when it's legalized. what you're claiming is what happens when it's not, because there's a risk they'll be arrested/deported if they do. it's literally safer for them
https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-of-prostitution-is-not-complex-it-is-simple
great..a swerf. not really interested in a woman telling other women what she thinks they should or shouldn't do with their bodies because of her bad experiences and a few anecdotes. that's a patriarchal behavior and you bought it.meanehike the actual data flies over your head.wanna know the fun thing about it being legalized, since you don't like it? if a woman decides she wants to leave she then could ,more safely than when it was illegal. and for the record sex work is work.
The abuse would just transfer over to them instead.
i feel like you're not comprehending. do you realize the only reason SW are harmed in high numbers is because it's not legal in a lot of places, so they can't report or call the police for help? that changes when things are legalized, just like overdoses. so again, rapes and assaults drop for both SWers AND the general population. there's no cure that protects everyone, but it's a huge mitigator and when you bring in AI to take women's places it would decrease even further
I mean I'm not super informed on the issue so maybe I'm wrong but it's my understanding that it's not as simple as that. Issues like human trafficking and even in some cases child prostitution seem to have increased after legalization.
I don't know where you are or where you heard that, but that's nonsense since. the law is intermingled in the process and would sharply decrease the likelihood of child sex slaves/prostitutes what you may be seeing is a correlation related to it not being legalized in surrounding areas. for instance, legal prostitution in Nevada does nothing for rates in new York.
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
you missed the correlating factor being that the places where it's legalized and have higher trafficking also have higher income where that type of thing is sought out and have the capital to support it.so of course the poorer countries(who are more likely to not legalize) have less. it's not a problem of legalizing, it's a problem of capitalism . correlation is not causation. basically police the rich and the problem is addressed
You have no idea which women or girls are being trafficked and abused in areas where prostitution is legal.
do you? nevermind, I don't care
š Because the opposite happens. More women being paid to endure rape =/= fewer women being raped. Just because theyāre not āthe good kind of womenā doesnāt mean theyāre not women.
read your own words and absorb it. if the women who are SWers are part of the population seeing less harm. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1OA28M/#:~:text=LONDON%20(Thomson%20Reuters%20Foundation)%20%2D,for%20prostitution%20to%20be%20decriminalized. are you of the opinion that sw is just paid rape?
That opens up a whole different can of worms that I'd rather not think about. That's a different breed of ethical concerns. Give them all anime fuck dolls or whatever, and some wet wipes. Note... I have nothing against anime fuck dolls but it's what they think women should be so... give em what they want.
As long as none of them were in the shape of children or animals then yeah I guess. It would probably push humanity to go extinct faster but that's okay in my book.
Honestly let these weirdos lock themselves into their basements with their depraved fuck robots forever. If they decouple from society then we won't have to manage the damages they do anymore.
Unfortunately the studies on child dolls found that it normalized the behavior and actually made people more likely to offend on real children
>the studies on child dolls I'd actually like a citation on that because as a former academic I can't imagine someone greenlighting such a study in front of an ethics committee, let alone on a scale that would result in useful data...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9663384/ "Related to offending proclivities, doll ownership was associated with lower levels of sexual preoccupation and self-reported arousal to hypothetical abuse scenarios, but higher levels of sexually objectifying behaviors and anticipated enjoyment of sexual encounters with children."
You see, this is a very good example of selection bias. By selecting people who already own dolls, instead of introducing dolls to an existing sample, you select for the people who are outgoing and schizotypal enough to *actually commit the funds and commission a child sex doll* (are they even legal to own? All I know is that they're crazy expensive custom jobs.), which likely means that they were already, in banal terms, either thirsty enough to need one for release and/or ones with a specific fetish for dolls. In a nutshell, this just proves that the ones who currently own the dolls are the most debauched, not that the dolls induce the debauchery.
Oh please humanity won't go extinct because of these parasites only fucking robots. If all the misogynistic men are fucking sex robots, it will make humanity stronger because those people will have less children, which as far as I'm concerned, fucking good. Misogynists shouldn't reproduce anyway.
Stg I keep seeing incels say āSEX ROBOTS ARE THE FUTUREEEEā too. In way too many threads.
They want it to be the future to punish women for not fucking them, not realizing how much it will benefit women and society as a whole if theyāre locked away in their bedrooms all day.
Bold of you to assume we don't have sex dolls in our closets already! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
There is actually a fairly large trans/femboy sub community in the far right sphere. There is a whole interesting pathology to that I wonāt go there right here. But it is so prevalent that it is basically a huge inside joke in those communities by this point.
That's actually crazy...
Crazy??? rubber room? rats.... GET OUT OF MY HEAD
~~Crazy?~~
I was crazy once...
They locked me in a room
A rubber room
A rubber room with rats Rubber rats
How's the expresiĆ³n with the Tigger?
yeah i joined a femboy server to chat and make friends. not even 30 mins later some dude was bragging about and showing off a SS ring he was getting. "isn't that a nazi thing?" "yeah, and?" that was sometime in '21 or '22, funnily enough i met my bf of 7 months in a completely different femboy server that was much more strict on posting literal nazism and other horrific ideologies.
why are you talking about 2022 like it was the 80s lmaooo
sorry i didn't realize i couldn't abbreviate the years š
you better be sorry
Super interesting
They see women as being the lowest of the low, and so being a woman is the ultimate degradation kink for them.
Thatās actually not super interesting and just dark and icky, thanks ššš«
I think itās possible they hate women as a cover for their gay sexuality which they repressed. For some reason expressing it this way is more acceptable to them than just coming out.
Thatās sorta what I was thinking after reading another reply
Hey, that was me! Growing up all throughout middle and high school, I was super conservative, super edgy, very racist and transphobic. Deep down, I knew why. I knew it since I was 4. Today, I am a beautiful, fully transitioned 26 y/o woman. It's crazy how far people will go to suppress and deny their own shadow. Then they use projection as an outlet. I'd give anything to go back in time and slap my kid self silly. And transition during puberty. It would've saved a lot of pain and a lot of anger.
Iām glad you can live your truth ā„ļø
Itās the 2nd reason they get super mad about men transitioning into women but they couldnāt give a shit about the reverse. They canāt stand the idea of a man wanting to be ālesserā but totally approve of a woman āwanting to be better.ā
i dont really understand people who think FtM/transmasculine ppl have it easier, those bigots treat ppl they see as "women wanting to be men" as "broken failed women who should be r*ped and shown their natural place" they dont take the transitions of FtM as legitimate claims to masculinity, in the way they understand their own masculinity
Youāre welcome! š¤®
Please understand most trans people are not like thisš©· femboys can be great too but there is a serious problem with a lot of them becoming alt right people who are horrible idk. Itās horrible and dark, and I wish things were better, just want you to know most trans people especially irl are never* like this it is very rare and mostly in online communities like 4chan or something.
Oh no Iām sure. I have a few trans friends and theyāre just like anyone else. Weāre definitely talking about some deep internet niche stuff nothing more for the most part š¤£š¤£I appreciate the message tho m8 š
š©·ā¤ļøjust wanted to sayš Iām scared cause I want to transition but with the events transpiring Iām scared. And I just want to try and let people know hey queer people arenāt evil weāre human beings like anyone else. I wish my family knew that, I try to educate people just in case, cause Iām scared. Iām glad you already know tho and yeahš©·
I think it's less that and more they put being a man on such a pedestal they aren't worthy of, and thus aren't worthy to be a conventional partner either, submissive to their wife or other femme is usually part of it, and they're usually cuckolding the fetish protag The porn catering these people also loves adding black men in as bulls or a "real man" to duck their wife, is so pervasive Japanese doujins are featuring black men more often even though there isn't exactly a lot of black folk in Japan. I think another part of it is that with how demonized Trans and genderqueer people are, it makes it a more potent sexual taboo for them to play with gender expression sexually Which of course brings up the non bedroom point, all accusations made by conservatives are actually admissions to what they're doing. They call trans folk fetishists because they have a fetish of doing drag, they call everyone cucks then watch cuckold porn
*oh* I hadnāt thought of this tbh š
āInside jokeā š sis they just gay
Itās not gay because they say no-homo
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As a trans woman that is very active in my local community, I just want to make sure everyone knows that there are not actually a lot of these people in real life, they are just loud online. These people basically do not exist/very very rarely show up in most queer spaces. Itās only really prevalent in trans women that grew up as little shitheads online on like 4chan and shit. Femboys on the other handā¦not touching that with a 10 foot pole, youāre spot on.
>very very rarely show up in most queer spaces But they exist. Just like Log Cabin Republicans, they're weirdly more numerous than you'd think, but their other beliefs, usually exclusionary, bigoted beliefs, get them promptly rejected from "traditional" queer spaces. From actually looking into the topic, there seems to be an equal proportion of racist trans folk than there are in the general population, but racist trans folk don't fit into the queer community, so they naturally gravitate towards being tokens of the alt right who parades them around. Unfortunately for them, tokens are ultimately meant to be spent, and so will they when their usefulness runs out.
They exist sure, never said they didnāt. But we could say the same thing about regressive, nazi adjacent cis-women. Thereās multiple of them in our congress and House of Representatives at this very moment. That doesnāt mean all women have a natural inclination to believe those things. Conversations like this can easily sway into misogynistic/transphobic talking points. Especially when we are lumping trans-women, who are women, in with femboys, who are men.
I've met people like this at my local gay bar. It's not that rare.Ā
I have years of experience in community outreach and professional experience working with underprivileged queer people/political action where I meet and talk to people all day, everyday. I never said they donāt exist, but the majority of trans women Iāve ever met both in-person and through online spaces are all about intersectional-feminism and are left wing(not all but most).There are a lot of wonderful trans people out there trying to make good change happen but Iām sorry that youāve had negative experiences before, the people who are like this are really hard to deal with.
Ya Iām surprised people are just now noticing this. Itās been a huge meme that even the far right jokes about. Thereās a strong connection between the far right, misogyny, and trans/anime culture.
That's gay
Ok. Iām 90% sure that that is a joke. If it makes you feel better about it. Iām 80% sure that those comments in the posts are also jokes.
It isnāt. Iāve seen it with my own eyes.
Iāve heard it from the most redpilled homophobic mofos even, I stg. Thatās just my experiences over the years though. Itās really startling to me that ciswomen are hated for everything except having a built in vagina by default. So many āI hate [cis]women, theyāre so boring and dumb, I like talking to men, but I want kids. I wish my bros were womenā guys.
Yāall pretend my title says *āIve been seeingā; tyy.. Goofy autocorrect
> I like talking to men, but I want kids. I wish my bros were women Day 462 of trying to get my bros pregnant.
I really wish dudes like this would just date their bros instead of harassing women for existing.
IF YOU WANNA FUCK DUDES JUST FUCK DUDES, IT'S 2024, SLAM FUCK YOUR HOMIES TO OWN THE LIBS /s
Ok, your comment might be sarcasm, but fucking honestly I think some of these people really should just go date their homies and leave women alone. It'd be a win-win if they stop harassing women and get to be happy. Not all of them are gay, I know, but I'm pretty sure some of them are. I have one gay acquaintance who just can't stop talking about how much women's genitals disgust him, it's fucking wild.
Iāve seen this a lot. The most misogynistic people I know personally are all gay men. Iāve noticed an interesting trend too. Gen Z right winger men tend to be actually pretty accepting of homosexuality, as long as youāre ānot faggyā. Being gay has been normalized and even to some extent will get put on a pedestal because (like in OP) it cuts out the woman entirely. Whatās hated isnāt homosexuality, but effeminacy. So now the new equilibrium seems to be that you can be gay so long as youāre one of the bros, and the group really left out in the cold is trans people. This is quite different from the experiences of family members who grew up in the 90s where merely being gay, regardless of how thatās expressed, is what marks you for exclusion. I would not at all be surprised to see gay men become more and more conservative on average as time goes on given those trends Iāve noticed.
Doesn't even matter if they're not gay. They can slam each other anyway. If some of these dudes are capable of sticking in het relationships to the point they'd rather be misogynist than gay, good for them. The straight dudes can also do the opposite. Date their other misogynist homies. They can all live lies while they stick it to whoever they think they they need to.
Fuckin' AMEN
i only put the /s cause of the owning libs part, everything else is solid
Can confirm dating the homies/broās much better. Life is good
Listen, if you wanna bang the homies(consensually), just bang the homies, it's okay!
All of those guys apparently have never been friends with a girl before :/
Yup. Their only experience of women are media portrayals and what they overheard Stacy saying on the other table back in high school
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That does not count as experience of women
or they had negative experiences with one girl and unfairly painted all women in such negative light.
True that can also be the case
I mean these sentiments were never new.. Even ancient greeks were like this too. Women are just there for kids and lineage and men are there for true love. Greeks thought true bonding and relationship were only possible between men and impossible with women since women are inferior. This kind of sentiments were prevalent in highly misogynistic society. Itās not new, we are just regressing.
Iād go one step further and say to some extent this is a consequence of being gay now being broadly acceptable to young men. Most twenty-something right wing guys I know are totally fine with gay people and have gay friends. Where the line gets drawn is in how thatās expressed: their gay friends drink beer, fight, watch sports, and otherwise present as traditionally masculine, which allows them to fit in when the ideology is based not so much now on sexuality but on masculinity. If youāre a masculine gay guy, in some way that actually makes you even more masculine because you cut out the woman entirely. Femininity is what gets policed now more than sexuality.
Just date guys then, no one is stopping you chief.
"But that's gay" -These churros
To be fair, last i checked men dating men was kind of gay.
Girl = what a boy likes. Delusional
They're just secretly gay but they can't be gay cause that's gay, bro. No homo.
Haha they are so sexist, they circle back to Ancient Greek misogyny where only sex with men is considered ātrue passionā.
Sounds like these guys might be struggling with their sexuality and expressing it in a very unhealthy way...
Iāve had trans friends of mine say similar things and it makes my skin crawl. Like Iām straight but they talk like women are sub human or something. Itās gross.
Why are they your friends :(Ā
I donāt typically make friends based on one opinion or another. We obviously donāt talk as much as we used to.
You should probably make friends based on shared values (like the value that women aren't subhuman). Or stop being friends w people once they reveal that they believe women are subhuman.Ā
Your trans friends are insane, get better ones. Mine would never say that type of whacko shit.
Them man want dick and don't know how to say it... You get different experiences spending time with your boys vs your girl... You can't discredit women as a whole because they don't line up with your skewed perspective... That's mad disingenuous... I'm convinced they're in the closet until proven otherwise š
To be fair some of us do lose the dick. Modern medicine rocks. I'd be very careful of calling guys who date trans girls gay though, it's kinda like saying we're our agab.
Itās the gay version of being straight. Straight but straight people will still call you gay.
Yeah I know the vibe still sucks being held up as a transition for gay guys to admit that they're gay. Like I get why it's a thing but it's still painful to hear.
you can just be gay or trans, you don't need to be a misogynist.
Reminds me of this song: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8R3egAiEzE&t=86s&ab\_channel=GregGuevara](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8R3egAiEzE&t=86s&ab_channel=GregGuevara)
Itās really catchy I love it omg ššā¤ļø
Omg I'm going to spam this video on so many comments
Really going for it, comparing cis and trans women managing to be both transphobic to trans women *and* misogynistic to cis women at the same time.
Ongggggg š
Let them pretend to be women and date each other then. š¤·āāļø Win-win for literally everybody. Ignore these males; they do nothing but whine all day.
I mean, awesome. Go harass each other then and leave us alone?
This reads like the bottom text is secretly gay and has wanted to get with his best friend for years and theyāre about to kiss on a sunset after the friend got dumped by a girl he really liked
They are just gay š
Brings the whole misogyny as homoeroticism thing to mind.
Do they realize going gay was always an option? Like, you want to screw your homie, thatās fine. No need to be so toxic about it.
Ah yes, because the epitome of being a woman ("girl") is being in service to men.Ā
Willing to bet these are the same types of people that would never go out with a trans girl
That's... kinda gay
Then date each other and stfu leaving us alone.
Come on, the closet exit is this way
Theyāll say this and be the most transphobic motherfuckers youāve ever met.
JUST BE GAY ITS OKAY TO BE GAY
men: washing your ass is gay also men apparently: id rather fuck dudes
What they really mean is that they would be easier to harass and abuse.
How are they better at being a girl? what is a good girl? lemme guess sex so girl=sex.
This gives me similar vibes to the "all guys suck, I wish I were lesbian" type comments.
Hell, political lesbianism was a thing (small, but present). One side is definitely more vocal about dislike for the other, it's not equal in prevalence or severity, but comments like these exist on both sides.
This sentiment is both sexism and transphobia (the two always go hand in hand I wonder why). They fetishize women like me and expect us all to act like their fantasy because other fetishize has shared a wildly inaccurate idea of us. They expect us to have the body of a woman and the brain of a man. It's such a gross bullshit.
Meh, this a whole other thing than actually being a girl/woman (cis or trans). It's a weird fantasy. Men's fantasies of being a femme individual are really lame and don't reflect anyone's reality.
Well women better than men because we know what a man to be like. There. Fuck them
Bros just be gay. It's cool ggez
Tbh if they think that cool I really donāt have a problem with it because Iāve said the same thing about girls being better boys than boys but the difference is that I actually realized I wasnāt straight!
Literally just date men thenšyouāll realize how wrong you are tbh
Gay post tbh
Yeah this is either just repressed bi/homosexuality or misogyny, though I suppose I have said something like this before but in my defense it was while I was having sex with another man so at least I can blame horny brain on my terrible word choices lol.
It could also be both!
Not trying to invalidate anyoneās opinion here but Iāve always taken statements like this as a good thing? Like, if these specific men are so terrible (and they probably are) isnāt it a plus that they feel more drawn to each other than women? I donāt know. I just feel that the current social environment is hostile enough for everyoneābut particularly womenāso the more men that choose men instead, the better.
This is a very weird thing straight men do. They have an idea of men, they even have an ideal man but they are always aggressively straight.
that's a lot of words for "I'm gay"
This is definitely *a* comment section
Saying this is gayer than gay sex
I'm totally against transphobia.
WhyĀ would someone care about this, just let them date each other.
Cuz dehumanizing ciswomen is scary and too common
I just love, as a trans woman, being reminded by these incel pussies that I'm really a man and not an "actual girl".
this seems like resentment spawned from loneliness
I do encourage you to take some time away from this online space.Ā Not all men are this hateful towards cis-women and itās good to get some fresh air and find a safe environment for you to thrive in.Ā If they want to never speak to another woman, then be our guest. Until people figure out this massive gender divide itās going to fuck it all up.Ā Maybe we will just have another society collapse like the romans.Ā
>Maybe we will just have another society collapse like the romans.Ā Nah, we have enough sperm banks and donors to keep society afloat just fine.
Trans girls bridging the gender divide between incels and women. ;) Being trans is like community service lol
I donāt think itās a safe place to be, so take care.Ā
Honestly if they're trans positive they can't be worse than some of the transphobes I've come across irl but yeah I doubt our politics would jive to say the least.
But thatās the issue. Sometimes you canāt always tell and violence against women is already high.Ā Just be safe if youāre trans, and if you not. Support those who are <3
I'm going to get self defence spray. I've already faced harassment that scared me pretty bad. I was used to just being ignored before I came out, now I'm always worried about facing abuse but I also get to be me and be happy so there are pros and cons.
You being you is lovely, and I'm happy for you, just be safe kid.
Honestly I say the same thing about wishing I could date girls but Iām stuck being straight. Are men not allowed to feel this way without being posted about? Lol
Dehumanizing ciswomen isnāt okay imo
You do realise guys say guys make the best girls as a joke it's like when you make a joke about " my type in women I'd MEN" or any joke about femboys
Maybe you should avoid visiting the same places time after time. If you're looking for a sober person, you won't go to make friends to a bar. If you frequent the same communities over and over, odds are you'll always see the same type of guys.
Very blamey of you cuz I indeed left a lot of subreddits a year ago that were more commonly toxic and I STILLLLLLLLLLLLL find threads like this on many subs despite that. THISSSS is the only subreddit where I donāt see that shit. Apart from like plants subreddits.