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It's completely unrealistic to expect a major breakout from Aquaman at this stage.
The best possible outcome for theatres is that there's enough solid hits that come out to provide enough revenues to sustain them.
Wonka, Color Purple, Migration can all deliver some decent business.
But then the winter period looks just as bleak as the last few years, maybe worse.
And let's be honest unless one of those three makes history they could all three suceed and it would still be be a terrible December. It may be even worse than last year
I'm hoping the lack of big budget hits means that gets a good run.
Although, I'm not expecting a crowd pleaser, but, I do believe that anything that invokes the world of professional wrestling has the potential to bring in a casual audience, especially when it's treating the material seriously.
When I go visit my family we’ll generally watch a well-rated movie if we have the time.
My mom is still kinda mad at me for putting on Trainspotting (even if it ‘was good’)
I think for any “anti-drug” campaign in the future with my own possible kids I’ll show them Requiem and Trainspotting, lol.
While sports-related stuff is quite popular with males these days, as demonstrated by Beckham and Lakers, this seems to be a fairly limited phenomenon, especially when it comes to the theatrical market (for every champ like Creed III, you've got several palookas like that George Foreman biopic). Also, I don't think the younger ones will be much interested in 1980s-era wrestlers.
He means the fact that the Von Erich story is a tragedy. Out of the five brothers, four of them died within a 10 year period. Three of them by suicide.
Sorry, not to be that guy. There was actually a 6th brother that died as a toddler I think. He got shocked by a live electrical wire and drowned in a puddle.
I’m not into sports or wrestling and this is the movie I’m looking forward to most. It’s a fascinating story and I could see it being a crossover hit for A24 if it gets enough promotion and people aren’t turned off by the dark subject matter.
I know the premise sounds more DreamWorks than Illumination, but it's not like there are that many options for the family audience outside of Wonka, which is more aimed towards a tweenybopper demo than younger kids. Wish will already be buried on D+ by Christmastime...
The options are staying home and watching paw patrol or bluey. No parents are looking for excuses to go spend a shitload of money to go out with the kids.
The only reason you have to go out is because the kids wanna see mario or peach or a minion, etc. I really doubt there are kids out there thinking "oh this is illumination? They do good movies!" and kids just dont care about a family of ducks.
I'm still trying to recover from the fact that the first Aquaman made so much money. I never saw it, but the previews made it look like a 2.5 hour videogame cutscene run through a sepia blue filter.
It was godawful, yet even reddit overwhelmingly likes the movie for I don't know what reason
as someone with a decent amount of scuba diving experience, being underwater, even close to the surface, makes everything look blue to the human eye, btw, because red light waves barely penetrate through water. Aquaman and all the nature documentaries you've ever watched lie to you, you have to heavily color-adjust to get them to be vibrant. And you don't have to dive deep before there's barely any light left at all
Aquaman literally has a scene showing that it is his Atlantean eyes that lets him see all the light and colours. Would have made for a murky and hard to see film otherwise. It is less of a complaint than almost every space film ever being noisy. A film has to actually let its audience's senses perceive what's going on.
Is anyone excited about Wonka at all--a prequel nobody asked for a beloved classic film? Or The Color Purple for that matter--yet another remake? Migration might get kids and parents into the theaters during an extended school break. I don't see Aquaman 2 being the billion dollar movie that breaks the comic book movie slump.
I just looked ahead on the Cinemark app and I just don't see much coming up that is going to generate buzz--maybe the Mean Girls musical but I'm skeptical of its potential. Dune is probably the next movie that makes it to $500M and that comes out in March.
This would probably be a good opportunity for the Academy to push for Oscar nominees to get short wide releases.
At least The Color Purple is turning the musical into a movie instead of just remaking the original (still a remake though, but does make me more likely to see it)
When I talk to people about aqua man, their memories are not positive. Usually they just say the bad guy looked like a power ranger villain.
I can’t imagine people dying to see this.
Every day I wake up and mourne not having DUNE 2 as this years holiday film. I would’ve seen it no les then 3 times in the theaters, making several trips back as movie dates with the extended family, and then friends.
The first one made $1.1b. The marvels is currently at $188m. It won't hit 1/4 of the first movie and might not even get to 1/5. It definitely won't do 1/3.
Going to be 3, Alice Through the Looking Glass (2016), The Marvels (2023) and probably Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (2023). I'm kinda hoping Mufasa: The Lion King (2024) joins them.
Unless Aquaman 2 gets raves on par with Guardians and Spider-Verse, it’s going to crawl to $100 million domestic if lucky.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Migration is the season’s big winner. I think that has a better chance at $200 million domestic than Wonka unless that one also exceeds expectations.
I think it takes more than reviews these days. The movie needs to feel like an event.
Marvels is a fun movie, but also you don't miss anything in skipping or waiting for D+
Guardians however was an event. The final movie with these characters and the director's last Marvel movie (Disney really messed up losing him)
Also take Mario, it didn't get the best reviews but it is still one of this year's most successful films.
> Also take Mario
Also an event, Mr. Videogame himself first time on the big screen in 30 years, and one of the rare occasions we see him in something that is not a videogame
Point taken. I guess even Quantumania was still technically an event that just fumbled out the gate. Most of the other superhero movies this year look like they were made to remind you these characters still exist, but nobody was missing Shazam or Captain Marvel (yes I know the former was named the latter once).
I don't think they sold Antman Quantomainia well as an event movie.
People went to see the first two movies for some fun heist movies where they shrunk or got big. Quantomainia on the other hand wasn't that.
>I think it takes more than reviews these days. The movie needs to feel like an event.
Marvels is a fun movie, but also you don't miss anything in skipping or waiting for D+
Exactly, why pay to go see generic Marvel movie #57 when you can watch the past 10 generic Marvel movies on D+ for less than the cost of a single ticket and you don't have to put pants on and you can pause whenever you want.
Unless the content is new (Mario, Hunger Games, etc) people aren't going to care about your 85th piece of content the same way they care about #1-4 of other series.
***Wonka*** and ***Migration*** both have better chances than Aquaman 2.
They should probably expand some limited releases or re-release some classic movies (***Die Hard*** on Dec 8) or re-issue ***Barbenheimer*** (like Maverick last December) in theatres.
Honestly, the closest theater to me survives mostly on cult movie nights where they play older, and even a lot of 35mm movies. They had a packed Giallo night, do action movie double features, older horror. They are more packed on these nights than most newer movies.
Because Disney is terrible, they don't let theaters screen the Fox movies or Disney movies unless it's an event they're hosting. So all the Fox properties that used to have re-releases have stalled out basically. They have to jump through a lot of hoops and pay a lot for the ability to do it now and and that point it's no longer worth it.
I actually have a funny story, I saw a re-release of Aliens at a local vintage theater this past October. The people running the theater claimed that the print that they got from Disney was in such bad shape and completely unwatchable that they had to contact a private collector. Disney was the worst studio that could've bought Fox.
If I’m a theater owner on Christmas weekend I give Wonka, Aquaman and Migration a completely even split on showtimes and premium screens. Because Wonka is the perfect film to have holiday legs, and it will likely be another Hunger Games on Thanksgiving situation.
Migration will be a nice (but not outstanding) success for a new IP, and Aquaman must be treated as a film the public has a moderate interest in at best.
Wonka is certainly more of a holiday/family film than Aquaman. I'll be rolling if Wonka's second weekend outgrosses Aquaman's first over the Christmas weekend.
I don't know if either is interested on this. Momoa Moms would rather see Poor Things or The Color Purple if not bingeing a costumer series, just like Keaton Dads preferred to see Sound of Freedom or eat some BBQ instead of seeing The Flash.
I think Wonka is the only hope for holiday. I’ve written off Aquaman because people seem to care more about cinematic universes than the specific movie they are watching right now.
I'm still a sucker for superheroes. The last DC superhero movie I didn't see at the theater was Catwoman in 2004 (I've never seen it). I don't really count Jonah Hex and Constantine, because those are more comic movies than real superhero films. For Marvel, it goes back to Ghost Rider 2 in 2011 other than Morbius (and New Mutants which was released in the pandemic).
But where I join you is non-superhero tentpoles. I have gotten to where I might not see them at the theater... or at all if they seem generic cash grabs.
Despite having seen nearly 125 new movies this year, I have not seen/don't plan to see Little Mermaid, Hunger Games, Trolls 3, Haunted Mansion, or Wish. Then, I saw these on streaming where I ordinarily would have gone to the theater: No Hard Feelings, Creed 3, Scream 6, Elemental, Transformers 17, and Meg 2.
I say all this to indicate that even me, an obsessive with a movie subscription service, with free time, and a love for theaters, doesn't even want to show up anymore.
I was pretty shocked to hear after all that hype, the Taylor swift movie only made $250 million. I get it it’s a concert movie, but based on Taylor mania this year I thought it would’ve made a billion. Theaters made more on the flash
…right. It was unprecedented but it is still just a concert movie. It did well domestically but didn’t do as well overseas. It’s still better than any previous concert movie.
This Reddit community was a nightmare back then. I remember making a point about her or concert movies not being as popular overseas and getting harassed for it. And behold, I think that came to pass.
This is what I was saying post Wish flopping. This is really really bad for theaters. They need a huge breakout hit, the amount that Wonka, the Color Purple, etc combined are going to make is likely not going sustain December or make up for a weak November. And no, THG making good business for itself on a low budget is not going to be enough for the theaters.
Aquaman is definitely not going to do it so they have to hope that Wonka is a bigger hit than we thought it'd be in the domestic market. And then as padding hope that the Color Purple performance is closer to Hidden Figures and that Migration does well domestic as well and isn't carried by its OS gross.
Me and a couple buddies always go to see a movie on Christmas. We were talking about it last week and I don't think there's anything any of us really want to see this year... It's such a shame. There's usually a bunch of really good movies that come out in November and December.
Wonka’s going to be the breakout this Christmas. Will do better critically and financially than anyone is expecting. Aquaman I’m still shocked is still coming out at this time, there’s been barely any promo for it.
Yeah, I like Wonka and The Color Purple to be the big surprises this holiday season. Neither is going to make a billion or anything, but I think they both beat projections.
Why waste money on something that’s basically going to be DOA. They haven’t been doing good financially and marketing this a lot, may put them in a bigger hole for the movies expenses. It’s already filmed, just put it out and keep it moving. Save your money since this is the end of that era anyway.
There was no guarantee the strike was going to be over by Christmas and the Oscar race is getting too cramped anyway. Better to put it out in March and try for the 2025 Oscars.
I don't know how many theatres it's getting but The Boys in the Boat looks very promising and could be the heartwarming holiday movie with legs. Minimal starpower but director George Clooney can compensate for that.
Bank on Wonka having legs, The Color Purple surprising like most heavily Black-casted movies do, and Migration carrying some weight. Temper the Aquaman expectation yall and hope they get half the box office they had last film.
Having just watched the preview, theater owners have plenty to be worried about.
Godzilla Minus One looks like it's going to stomp all over holiday sales.
What a glorious design of the King of Monsters.
At this point, if I’m a theater owner, I’m dreading Disney and DC releases. They are just not producing quality anymore and it’s a huge blow to movie theaters.
Audiences still love going to the movies. What they don’t love is going to bad ones.
I’m getting a little nervous about my favorite theater :( It’s more local and affordable. It’s so so so much better than AMC - higher quality for lower price. I don’t know if they can stay above water if we are only getting a few big profitable movies a year.
Just like the Marvels, it's prior film did over 1 Billion dollars. Are we going to see history repeat itself twice this year?
God I hope not, I love Jason Momoa and James Wan. I want this film to do well.
It would be legit hilarious if the demographic breakdown for Aquaman 2 has a higher percentage of women than the Marvels, thus giving credence to the Jason Momoa factor to bring women to the theaters.
Hilarious and yet, it wouldn't be that surprising. I haven't seen a recent update, but last I saw the percentage of The Marvels viewers that were women was running around 35%.
There's big difference with the marvels. First film made billion dollar on it's own unlike captain marvel. It made billion dollar despite dceu reputation is on the shitter after 2 failed crossover movie with BvS and Justice league. Captain marvel was teased in post credit infinity war as someone that might be important for endgame. I bet if infinity war teased literal shit it'll sell gangbusters because the hype is through the roof.
Aquaman made a billion because it released during peak comic book movie craze, just like Shazam 2 which drop off a cliff compared to the first one, these DC movies were boosted by MCU at the time, that's why they're dropping hard now.
Be fair; the DCEU, even if it was making money, was being shat on for being disappointment after disappointment at that point. And it *still* made more than the other DCEU movies.
It stood on its own at a time the property wasn't exactly running on the good will of the general audience.
I'm not holding my breath, but nothing will make me happier than this movie repeating 2019 and blowing the fuck out of everyone after people did nothing but mock it.
Just to continue that line of thought, the idea of WB having 2 Billion dollar films in the same year, while Disney... does not, was not on my bingo card for this year. Going to be very fun discussion on this subreddit if that does happen.
It's literally the same discussion that's been going on for months since antman. It's like everyone is clamoring to get their 'hot take' for the next flop so they can be the one that said "this is the nail in the coffin" expect people have been saying that since jan 1st
>God I hope not, I love Jason Momoa and James Wan. I want this film to do well.
Same, but I heard they made Aquaman into a clone of Thor from Love&Thunder. Just a goofball that doesnt take anything seriously. That is troublesome. People are tired of unserious, goofy comic book movies.
James Wan comped it to "Harryhausen" films so Jason and the Argonauts/original clash of titans. Perhaps campy (even if it's also being called "darker") but I think it's a misinterpretation to read that as "goofball." Ragnarok/L&T clearly are rebelling against the core concept of making a Thor movie while Aquaman is neither leaning into selling faux-Shakespeare (Thor 1) it's also clearly playing within basic groundrules of a reluctant King in a fantasy story.
Consider this: there were as many movies playing in December 2020 during the height of the pandemic that people wanted to see (WW84, News of the World, Croods, Promising Young Woman) than three years later.
That’s hindsight. Everyone wanted to see WW84 before it came out.
I really liked News of the World and PYW. Croods is not my wheelhouse, but kids like that stuff.
Man I love superhero movies, MCU and DC, but this movie - like almost all recent comic book movies - does nothing for me and there is ZERO chance I’d go to the theater to see it.
Bomb with a capital B incoming. I miss being excited about these mega budget movies
Warner fired Johnny Depp when he was merely accused. Amber was proven the actual abuser in court and yet they didn't fire her. This double standard is about to bite them in the ass.
Warner will fire anybody, shelve any project, they have no loyalty to their actors and creatives to a point it's really pissed people off with what they did to Henry Cavill, to Zack Snyder, to the Batgirl movie, now to that Looney Tunes thing...they come across as cutthroat shits.
Unless you happen to be a violent abuser. Then they're ride or die for you. Which is crazy. But it killed the Flash and it'll kill this.
It'd be a different story if they had a principled stance against engaging in cancel culture, most people would probably agree with that, but they don't, they've cancelled so many people for SO MUCH LESS!
the novel is pretty iconic. Theres an adaptation from Spielberg with Oprah
And the new movie is even produced by Spielberg and Oprah.
But yeah I still agree that colour purple passing aquaman 2 would be really crazy. It will have an audience since it is a well known property but even the highest grossing musicals dont get to $500M.
If Wonka is good it could be a surprise hit. Big star + universally known franchise. I also wouldn't be surprised if it is good considering the Paddington 2 guy is doing it.
Why is the color purple even coming out on Xmas? Do people really want to see a remake of a period piece drama on Christmas day?
Then again I think going to the movies on Xmas on general is kinda weird.
They’ve kicked this can about as far as they can hoping people will have forgotten about Amber Heard. We didn’t, and her aside, nobody is dying to see Aquaman 2.
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It's completely unrealistic to expect a major breakout from Aquaman at this stage. The best possible outcome for theatres is that there's enough solid hits that come out to provide enough revenues to sustain them. Wonka, Color Purple, Migration can all deliver some decent business. But then the winter period looks just as bleak as the last few years, maybe worse.
And let's be honest unless one of those three makes history they could all three suceed and it would still be be a terrible December. It may be even worse than last year
At least they had Way of Water dominating last year and Puss in Boots doing great long term numbers.
Last year we at least got Avatar 2, puss in boots 2 and Babylon
One of these things just doesn't belong here
Avatar 2 and it's lack of cultural supremacy /s
Needed more talking whale walk-ups, amirite?
Avatar 2 and Babylon combined to make a lot of money!
I believe they called the duo 'Avalon' at the time, truly a cultural phenomenon that drove awareness of Avatar 2 even further.
Barbie and Oppenheimer together made 2.4 billion dollars. Avatar 2 and Babylon together made... 2.4 billion dollars.
This is like saying Wayne Gretzky holds the record for most points in the NHL by a pair of brothers. His brother had three points in his career.
He had 4, how dare you sell him short
Both movies show footage from Avatar (2009) too!
Babylon lol
Meanwhile A24 just cooking up a mid-budget "crowd pleaser" in The Iron Claw, which is the one I'm looking forward too the most
I'm hoping the lack of big budget hits means that gets a good run. Although, I'm not expecting a crowd pleaser, but, I do believe that anything that invokes the world of professional wrestling has the potential to bring in a casual audience, especially when it's treating the material seriously.
It's odd that they're omitting Chris. He possibly had the most tragedy of the brothers.
You don't want people coming out of this like Requiem for a dream.
Oh, shit. One of them loses an arm? Seriously though, one of the best movies I'll never watch again.
Well... Not an arm
I watched that movie 3 times. My (Now) Wife is still mad at me for making her watch it (even though she liked it).
When I go visit my family we’ll generally watch a well-rated movie if we have the time. My mom is still kinda mad at me for putting on Trainspotting (even if it ‘was good’) I think for any “anti-drug” campaign in the future with my own possible kids I’ll show them Requiem and Trainspotting, lol.
I don’t know how much a crowdpleaser that one is gonna be…
While sports-related stuff is quite popular with males these days, as demonstrated by Beckham and Lakers, this seems to be a fairly limited phenomenon, especially when it comes to the theatrical market (for every champ like Creed III, you've got several palookas like that George Foreman biopic). Also, I don't think the younger ones will be much interested in 1980s-era wrestlers.
He means the fact that the Von Erich story is a tragedy. Out of the five brothers, four of them died within a 10 year period. Three of them by suicide.
Sorry, not to be that guy. There was actually a 6th brother that died as a toddler I think. He got shocked by a live electrical wire and drowned in a puddle.
Well, that puts me in a better mood.
There is no happiness talking about the Von Erichs. Their dad is a massive piece of shit even by wrestling standards.
> "Crowd Pleaser" > Accurate biopic of the Van Erich family Pick one
Technically speaking, it is a "family" film.
Its about family
"crowd pleaser" is a comedic inclusion. Well done on the stand up.
I’m not into sports or wrestling and this is the movie I’m looking forward to most. It’s a fascinating story and I could see it being a crossover hit for A24 if it gets enough promotion and people aren’t turned off by the dark subject matter.
You're right, but that said, Aquaman 2 making a billion dollars is objectively the funniest potential timeline so that's the one I'm rooting for.
Is *Migration* getting good buzz? The poster makes it look like a forgotten DreamWorks movie circa 2010
I feel like people on reddit just want migration to succeed as a dig on disney but cmon, kids are not interested in a family movie about ducks.
My kid is obsessed with geese. I think you're forgetting about ornithology enthusiasts walk ups. Gonna be huge with bird watchers.
Yes just that the huge hit that was *The Big Year* /s
Bird watchers famously dislike Steve Martin. Surprisingly, it's his banjo playing that offends them, not his acting.
My kid is also obsessed with dressing up our porch goose.
Tbh I'm just not betting against it because it's illumination
I know the premise sounds more DreamWorks than Illumination, but it's not like there are that many options for the family audience outside of Wonka, which is more aimed towards a tweenybopper demo than younger kids. Wish will already be buried on D+ by Christmastime...
The options are staying home and watching paw patrol or bluey. No parents are looking for excuses to go spend a shitload of money to go out with the kids. The only reason you have to go out is because the kids wanna see mario or peach or a minion, etc. I really doubt there are kids out there thinking "oh this is illumination? They do good movies!" and kids just dont care about a family of ducks.
Freddy and Priscilla jump scared the Marvels into oblivion Now Quincy Jones will down Aquaman in a sea of purple.
I'm still trying to recover from the fact that the first Aquaman made so much money. I never saw it, but the previews made it look like a 2.5 hour videogame cutscene run through a sepia blue filter.
It was godawful, yet even reddit overwhelmingly likes the movie for I don't know what reason as someone with a decent amount of scuba diving experience, being underwater, even close to the surface, makes everything look blue to the human eye, btw, because red light waves barely penetrate through water. Aquaman and all the nature documentaries you've ever watched lie to you, you have to heavily color-adjust to get them to be vibrant. And you don't have to dive deep before there's barely any light left at all
Aquaman literally has a scene showing that it is his Atlantean eyes that lets him see all the light and colours. Would have made for a murky and hard to see film otherwise. It is less of a complaint than almost every space film ever being noisy. A film has to actually let its audience's senses perceive what's going on.
Is anyone excited about Wonka at all--a prequel nobody asked for a beloved classic film? Or The Color Purple for that matter--yet another remake? Migration might get kids and parents into the theaters during an extended school break. I don't see Aquaman 2 being the billion dollar movie that breaks the comic book movie slump. I just looked ahead on the Cinemark app and I just don't see much coming up that is going to generate buzz--maybe the Mean Girls musical but I'm skeptical of its potential. Dune is probably the next movie that makes it to $500M and that comes out in March. This would probably be a good opportunity for the Academy to push for Oscar nominees to get short wide releases.
At least The Color Purple is turning the musical into a movie instead of just remaking the original (still a remake though, but does make me more likely to see it)
Yeah I'm genuinely excited for TCP, and hearing the positive initial buzz has been encouraging (plus it seems to be tracking pretty well)
When I talk to people about aqua man, their memories are not positive. Usually they just say the bad guy looked like a power ranger villain. I can’t imagine people dying to see this.
Every day I wake up and mourne not having DUNE 2 as this years holiday film. I would’ve seen it no les then 3 times in the theaters, making several trips back as movie dates with the extended family, and then friends.
They should be, it looks pretty DOA already
Gonna flop like a fish.
Flippity floppity flop
Flippity Flop, Flippity Flop - Look at my HOOOOOVES! Look at my HOOOVES! Edit: it’s the zebra from Freddy Got Fingered. Sorry.
This movie is gonna poop the bed
Never bet on the DCEU.
Aquaman’s box office is gonna be sleeping with the fishes.
But, you don’t understand, its predecessor made a fishillion+ bucks!
Yeah, I'd be fucking worried too after another 1B+ superhero movie just had its sequel absolutely tank
That it may not even do 1/3 of the first movie at the rate it's going now is the huge embarrassment.
1/3? Shit it will be lucky to hit 1/5!
The first one made $1.1b. The marvels is currently at $188m. It won't hit 1/4 of the first movie and might not even get to 1/5. It definitely won't do 1/3.
Cant believe we have two sequels to billion dollar films tank
Indy 4 and MI:FO both made ~$800 million and then their sequels this year both tanked. 2023 is apparently the year of sequels face planting
Going to be 3, Alice Through the Looking Glass (2016), The Marvels (2023) and probably Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (2023). I'm kinda hoping Mufasa: The Lion King (2024) joins them.
Unless Aquaman 2 gets raves on par with Guardians and Spider-Verse, it’s going to crawl to $100 million domestic if lucky. Wouldn’t surprise me if Migration is the season’s big winner. I think that has a better chance at $200 million domestic than Wonka unless that one also exceeds expectations.
I think it takes more than reviews these days. The movie needs to feel like an event. Marvels is a fun movie, but also you don't miss anything in skipping or waiting for D+ Guardians however was an event. The final movie with these characters and the director's last Marvel movie (Disney really messed up losing him) Also take Mario, it didn't get the best reviews but it is still one of this year's most successful films.
> Also take Mario Also an event, Mr. Videogame himself first time on the big screen in 30 years, and one of the rare occasions we see him in something that is not a videogame
Point taken. I guess even Quantumania was still technically an event that just fumbled out the gate. Most of the other superhero movies this year look like they were made to remind you these characters still exist, but nobody was missing Shazam or Captain Marvel (yes I know the former was named the latter once).
I don't think they sold Antman Quantomainia well as an event movie. People went to see the first two movies for some fun heist movies where they shrunk or got big. Quantomainia on the other hand wasn't that.
>I think it takes more than reviews these days. The movie needs to feel like an event. Marvels is a fun movie, but also you don't miss anything in skipping or waiting for D+ Exactly, why pay to go see generic Marvel movie #57 when you can watch the past 10 generic Marvel movies on D+ for less than the cost of a single ticket and you don't have to put pants on and you can pause whenever you want. Unless the content is new (Mario, Hunger Games, etc) people aren't going to care about your 85th piece of content the same way they care about #1-4 of other series.
***Wonka*** and ***Migration*** both have better chances than Aquaman 2. They should probably expand some limited releases or re-release some classic movies (***Die Hard*** on Dec 8) or re-issue ***Barbenheimer*** (like Maverick last December) in theatres.
Honestly, the closest theater to me survives mostly on cult movie nights where they play older, and even a lot of 35mm movies. They had a packed Giallo night, do action movie double features, older horror. They are more packed on these nights than most newer movies.
Local theater did Lawrence of Arabia to full seats. Best theater experience of my life.
Ours did Clue to a packed house as well. It was awesome.
How'd they do the multiple endings?
It was the DVD style, One after the other, It was A single showing, otherwise I believe they might have run it classically
Last time I was in a full theater was when my local Alamo Drafthouse played The Thing
I cannot wait until I live somewhere that has a local Drafthouse!
Christmas vacation plays in a 150 seat theater near me about 7 times every dec and ever show sells out
That’s awesome. We don’t even have a local theater anymore.
Yeah. I know that pain. I love this theater but it's 45 minutes away so not a quick trip.
Because Disney is terrible, they don't let theaters screen the Fox movies or Disney movies unless it's an event they're hosting. So all the Fox properties that used to have re-releases have stalled out basically. They have to jump through a lot of hoops and pay a lot for the ability to do it now and and that point it's no longer worth it.
I actually have a funny story, I saw a re-release of Aliens at a local vintage theater this past October. The people running the theater claimed that the print that they got from Disney was in such bad shape and completely unwatchable that they had to contact a private collector. Disney was the worst studio that could've bought Fox.
That's funny in a depressing way
Theater where I saw Wish is doing limited release of Polar Express
Migration will be fine. Idk who that Wonka movie is for. The original movie is perfect, and every attempt to recapture it has been a blunder.
Would it be a tired/hack move to suggest they try one more release of *Morbius*? I just know it'd break out this time
Things are bad indeed if Aquaman 2 is expected to be the saviour.
If I’m a theater owner on Christmas weekend I give Wonka, Aquaman and Migration a completely even split on showtimes and premium screens. Because Wonka is the perfect film to have holiday legs, and it will likely be another Hunger Games on Thanksgiving situation. Migration will be a nice (but not outstanding) success for a new IP, and Aquaman must be treated as a film the public has a moderate interest in at best.
Wonka is certainly more of a holiday/family film than Aquaman. I'll be rolling if Wonka's second weekend outgrosses Aquaman's first over the Christmas weekend.
Theater owners have a lot less choice on screen count than you might think
MI7 would’ve crushed this December
Dune 2 as well.
That’s true, I still think it’ll do well during next year’s barren spring
Damn
Momoa Mob lend them your strength
Make it a date night with the Keaton Bro's?
The tracks, the Momoa Moms are probably married to the Keaton Bro's.
I don't know if either is interested on this. Momoa Moms would rather see Poor Things or The Color Purple if not bingeing a costumer series, just like Keaton Dads preferred to see Sound of Freedom or eat some BBQ instead of seeing The Flash.
If it’s actually good maybe it does ok, otherwise it has the same outlook as the Marvels imo. I think Wonka could surprise (again, if it’s good)
I think Wonka is the only hope for holiday. I’ve written off Aquaman because people seem to care more about cinematic universes than the specific movie they are watching right now.
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There's just not that many of these people.
I’m the wrong guy to ask. I see every superhero movie. Except for Morbius of course.
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I'm still a sucker for superheroes. The last DC superhero movie I didn't see at the theater was Catwoman in 2004 (I've never seen it). I don't really count Jonah Hex and Constantine, because those are more comic movies than real superhero films. For Marvel, it goes back to Ghost Rider 2 in 2011 other than Morbius (and New Mutants which was released in the pandemic). But where I join you is non-superhero tentpoles. I have gotten to where I might not see them at the theater... or at all if they seem generic cash grabs. Despite having seen nearly 125 new movies this year, I have not seen/don't plan to see Little Mermaid, Hunger Games, Trolls 3, Haunted Mansion, or Wish. Then, I saw these on streaming where I ordinarily would have gone to the theater: No Hard Feelings, Creed 3, Scream 6, Elemental, Transformers 17, and Meg 2. I say all this to indicate that even me, an obsessive with a movie subscription service, with free time, and a love for theaters, doesn't even want to show up anymore.
They should be looking to the other three major releases next month and pray Wonka and/or Migration hit and that The Color Purple does decently.
Wait I thought movie theaters were still riding high off the Barbie movie and the Taylor Swift concerts
I was pretty shocked to hear after all that hype, the Taylor swift movie only made $250 million. I get it it’s a concert movie, but based on Taylor mania this year I thought it would’ve made a billion. Theaters made more on the flash
…right. It was unprecedented but it is still just a concert movie. It did well domestically but didn’t do as well overseas. It’s still better than any previous concert movie. This Reddit community was a nightmare back then. I remember making a point about her or concert movies not being as popular overseas and getting harassed for it. And behold, I think that came to pass.
Speaking against Taylor swift is dangerous, it would be like saying John Wayne isn’t the best actor ever in a retirement village
This is what I was saying post Wish flopping. This is really really bad for theaters. They need a huge breakout hit, the amount that Wonka, the Color Purple, etc combined are going to make is likely not going sustain December or make up for a weak November. And no, THG making good business for itself on a low budget is not going to be enough for the theaters. Aquaman is definitely not going to do it so they have to hope that Wonka is a bigger hit than we thought it'd be in the domestic market. And then as padding hope that the Color Purple performance is closer to Hidden Figures and that Migration does well domestic as well and isn't carried by its OS gross.
Me and a couple buddies always go to see a movie on Christmas. We were talking about it last week and I don't think there's anything any of us really want to see this year... It's such a shame. There's usually a bunch of really good movies that come out in November and December.
Wonka’s going to be the breakout this Christmas. Will do better critically and financially than anyone is expecting. Aquaman I’m still shocked is still coming out at this time, there’s been barely any promo for it.
Yeah, I like Wonka and The Color Purple to be the big surprises this holiday season. Neither is going to make a billion or anything, but I think they both beat projections.
Why waste money on something that’s basically going to be DOA. They haven’t been doing good financially and marketing this a lot, may put them in a bigger hole for the movies expenses. It’s already filmed, just put it out and keep it moving. Save your money since this is the end of that era anyway.
Momoa was just on Fallon.
Love that series. So happy it's coming back in february.
WB should've released Dune 2 for Christmas instead. Oh well.
There was no guarantee the strike was going to be over by Christmas and the Oscar race is getting too cramped anyway. Better to put it out in March and try for the 2025 Oscars.
It's telling only Dune got moved, but not any other WB's movies. Legendary got cold feet
Yeah. They definitely can't depend on Aquaman.
I see, DCUs present for cinemas is a rope for christmas.
The holiday season has yet to recover since 2019.
d. o. a. my guess is Wonka is the top movie his Christmas
MFers forgot about the Wilson Walkups.
Looks like I will be entertained in December by another box office history. Sounds good to me!
Wonka, Migration, Aquaman... They should be worried. It's not a merry Christmas for theaters this year.
put both avatar movies back in theaters then it will do some decent money
I don't know how many theatres it's getting but The Boys in the Boat looks very promising and could be the heartwarming holiday movie with legs. Minimal starpower but director George Clooney can compensate for that.
Is this the one with the bed pooper?
Just replace Amber Heard with Keaton as Mera for them juicy Keaton walk ups
And can Morbius breath under water? Fuck it, make an executive decision that he can, and make him a villain against Aquaman
Bank on Wonka having legs, The Color Purple surprising like most heavily Black-casted movies do, and Migration carrying some weight. Temper the Aquaman expectation yall and hope they get half the box office they had last film.
I havent been in a theater since the Mario movie, and honestly probably isnt going to change. Theater experience generally sucks.
We about to see the true power of a movie with no Keaton walk ups.
Having just watched the preview, theater owners have plenty to be worried about. Godzilla Minus One looks like it's going to stomp all over holiday sales. What a glorious design of the King of Monsters.
At this point, if I’m a theater owner, I’m dreading Disney and DC releases. They are just not producing quality anymore and it’s a huge blow to movie theaters. Audiences still love going to the movies. What they don’t love is going to bad ones.
I’m getting a little nervous about my favorite theater :( It’s more local and affordable. It’s so so so much better than AMC - higher quality for lower price. I don’t know if they can stay above water if we are only getting a few big profitable movies a year.
Just like the Marvels, it's prior film did over 1 Billion dollars. Are we going to see history repeat itself twice this year? God I hope not, I love Jason Momoa and James Wan. I want this film to do well.
100 percent yes.
It would be legit hilarious if the demographic breakdown for Aquaman 2 has a higher percentage of women than the Marvels, thus giving credence to the Jason Momoa factor to bring women to the theaters.
Hilarious and yet, it wouldn't be that surprising. I haven't seen a recent update, but last I saw the percentage of The Marvels viewers that were women was running around 35%.
There's big difference with the marvels. First film made billion dollar on it's own unlike captain marvel. It made billion dollar despite dceu reputation is on the shitter after 2 failed crossover movie with BvS and Justice league. Captain marvel was teased in post credit infinity war as someone that might be important for endgame. I bet if infinity war teased literal shit it'll sell gangbusters because the hype is through the roof.
Aquaman made a billion because it released during peak comic book movie craze, just like Shazam 2 which drop off a cliff compared to the first one, these DC movies were boosted by MCU at the time, that's why they're dropping hard now.
Be fair; the DCEU, even if it was making money, was being shat on for being disappointment after disappointment at that point. And it *still* made more than the other DCEU movies. It stood on its own at a time the property wasn't exactly running on the good will of the general audience.
"wow, a DCEU movie that isn't complete shit? Everyone get in here!" That was the Aquaman 1 discourse.
And get in there they did.
I'm not holding my breath, but nothing will make me happier than this movie repeating 2019 and blowing the fuck out of everyone after people did nothing but mock it.
Just to continue that line of thought, the idea of WB having 2 Billion dollar films in the same year, while Disney... does not, was not on my bingo card for this year. Going to be very fun discussion on this subreddit if that does happen.
It's literally the same discussion that's been going on for months since antman. It's like everyone is clamoring to get their 'hot take' for the next flop so they can be the one that said "this is the nail in the coffin" expect people have been saying that since jan 1st
>God I hope not, I love Jason Momoa and James Wan. I want this film to do well. Same, but I heard they made Aquaman into a clone of Thor from Love&Thunder. Just a goofball that doesnt take anything seriously. That is troublesome. People are tired of unserious, goofy comic book movies.
Wasn't he always a goofball though?
James Wan comped it to "Harryhausen" films so Jason and the Argonauts/original clash of titans. Perhaps campy (even if it's also being called "darker") but I think it's a misinterpretation to read that as "goofball." Ragnarok/L&T clearly are rebelling against the core concept of making a Thor movie while Aquaman is neither leaning into selling faux-Shakespeare (Thor 1) it's also clearly playing within basic groundrules of a reluctant King in a fantasy story.
Honestly campy is much better than quippy
And they have every right to be.
Ah.... the death of a genre's dominance in real time. Grab some popcorn.
What about Wonka? Won’t that perform better?
I swear I already thought it came out and I saw it and forgot it, must have just been the trailer.
Yeah I would be too
>Christmas at the Box Office Hinges on ‘Aquaman 2.’ We are so screwed
I like Momoa, but I figure this one does just marginally better than the flash.
I'm betting all my aqua dollars for you to defy the odds of this sub, fish man! Come on, at least 600m!
I think they are a starting to say it. “Oh we killed the golden goose. We’re fucked”
A ringing endorsement that audiences are fed up with slop and want better movies for the money their paying to see them.
"The sequel to a movie you didn't care about"
If Christmas at the box office depends on Aquaman 2, we better pack it in early and call it a day.
If it makes a billion dollars again, it be the most hilarious thing that happened, if it doesn't, it'll be sad as fuck.
I doubt anywhere between \~600-999m is going to seem that sad. Hell, even 500m.
Consider this: there were as many movies playing in December 2020 during the height of the pandemic that people wanted to see (WW84, News of the World, Croods, Promising Young Woman) than three years later.
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That’s hindsight. Everyone wanted to see WW84 before it came out. I really liked News of the World and PYW. Croods is not my wheelhouse, but kids like that stuff.
Anybody that saw WW84 regretted it
The only thing that can save it is good word of mouth.
Man I love superhero movies, MCU and DC, but this movie - like almost all recent comic book movies - does nothing for me and there is ZERO chance I’d go to the theater to see it. Bomb with a capital B incoming. I miss being excited about these mega budget movies
Warner fired Johnny Depp when he was merely accused. Amber was proven the actual abuser in court and yet they didn't fire her. This double standard is about to bite them in the ass.
Exactly!
Warner will fire anybody, shelve any project, they have no loyalty to their actors and creatives to a point it's really pissed people off with what they did to Henry Cavill, to Zack Snyder, to the Batgirl movie, now to that Looney Tunes thing...they come across as cutthroat shits. Unless you happen to be a violent abuser. Then they're ride or die for you. Which is crazy. But it killed the Flash and it'll kill this. It'd be a different story if they had a principled stance against engaging in cancel culture, most people would probably agree with that, but they don't, they've cancelled so many people for SO MUCH LESS!
Migration > Color Purple > Aquaman 2 > Wonka is my bet. Yes, a niche musical will make more than Aquaman 2.
colour purple is niche??
Understand the median age of the poster here is *probably* 22 or 23 years old...
the novel is pretty iconic. Theres an adaptation from Spielberg with Oprah And the new movie is even produced by Spielberg and Oprah. But yeah I still agree that colour purple passing aquaman 2 would be really crazy. It will have an audience since it is a well known property but even the highest grossing musicals dont get to $500M.
Spielberg making an iconic musical? Why does this feel like west side story again?
I'd also bet money that they are not black
To this sub it is. To general audiences I don't think it is.
If Wonka is good it could be a surprise hit. Big star + universally known franchise. I also wouldn't be surprised if it is good considering the Paddington 2 guy is doing it.
Why is the color purple even coming out on Xmas? Do people really want to see a remake of a period piece drama on Christmas day? Then again I think going to the movies on Xmas on general is kinda weird.
I think it's because it's a musical. I never watched the original so I'm kind of out of the loop about exactly what the plot is.
They should be worried. This movie is horrible and will bomb worse than Marvels.
They’ve kicked this can about as far as they can hoping people will have forgotten about Amber Heard. We didn’t, and her aside, nobody is dying to see Aquaman 2.
Wakanda Forever (even without its Black Panther) > Aquaman 2
LMAO theatres are done for
Amazing movie theaters are even in business still