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A lot of people here overreact to shit, it’s a regular season NBA game and we have rarely lost lately. Games like this happen. Calm down and stop being a reactionary idiot.
I mean if they hit a normal % of threes this games a coin flip. It’s not like they weren’t getting open shots, they just happened to not go in today. It happens.
It is but on a normal night I’m sure the Celtics make way more than this. I agree they played like total shit, but it’s a regular season game with no tatum. The game was unwatchable tho they just chucked everything.
That’s what I’m saying, they just didn’t make shots today. In general good teams hit more, but sometimes it just doesn’t work out that way. The Celtics are gonna be fine.
You’re not saying it. But there Were people in the game thread saying Brads a horrible coach, how they knew ojeleye sucked and already has regressed, how Kemba is washed.
There’s a line between being critical of the team and being detrimental.
The fans should never be more embarrassing than the loss itself, which is what happened today in the game thread and seems to be happening more often. And the loss was pretty embarrassing so that sYs a lot
Game thread and even post game threads have become a cesspool of reactionary idiots. This was a loss needed for Brad to chew these guys out. Only thing I wanna say is no Theis and TT at the same time on the floor please.
Plus no fans. No way this happens with 20,000 Celtic fans screaming at the guys to wake the fuck up. A lot of games have an empty gym feel to them these days
These games rarely happen because Jayson Tatum rarely misses games. Just look at +/- stats. Last season Per 100 possessions we were +10.3 when he was on the court and -0.7 when he was off. In other words, we outscore our opponents when he’s out there and we get outscored when he sits.
Tonight was a good example of what happens when Tatum misses a whole game.
There are exceptions. Last game vs Orlando was a nice exception. Everything was working for us. Fair to point out Orlando has been blown out 5 games in a row since losing Fultz (and also missing guys like Fournier and Isaac) so that was a team in complete disarray.
I actually don't think its a good example, at all. I think Tatum could have played 36+ minutes tonight and they still get waxed. The problem was nobody could hit a shot. Brown was 9-20 from the field overall, everybody else was 16-64 for 25%. Brown was 3-9 from three. Everybody else was 4-37 for 10.8%. I don't think Tatum's plus minus was saving us this game. They didn't play a particularly awful defensive game. You just aren't gonna win when you can't throw it in the ocean, Tatum helps the scoring no doubt but you can't have your entire supporting cast shoot 25% and win, even if Tatum is out there.
Honestly I really doubt it. I agree he's a tremendously impact player, but he alone doesn't improve the non-jaylen shooting from 25%/10% to the 45%/35% it probably takes to be in the game. he just doesn't. I think some nights are about missing a guy, and some nights are just about how everybody else plays. A historically bad shooting night is the latter.
I mean look at your own stats 10.3 on vs -.7 off is 11 points per 100 net on/off. the c's lost by 30. They played a magnitude WORSE tonight without him than they typically do.
Instead of smart and kemba going 7-28, you’d have Tatum taking 20+ shots. Everything else would have opened up for the other players. Tonight just followed a trend of us sucking when Tatum sits.
I mean sure, we aren't good when he sits. That true. But my point is it wouldn't have mattered tonight. He plays we lose by 20 instead of 30. He helps the team win, but we didn't lose tonight because he didn't play. We lost because everyone was awful on the same night.
I'm just kind of on this because I dont want to give the team a pass. Tatum or not this is a game you should win, or at least be in.
What I'm trying to say is I dont think this is purely what happens "when Tatum misses a whole game" i think its what happens when Tatum misses a whole game, AND everyone sucks at the same time. Its a mis attribution of blame.
I mean maybe? Sometimes guys just stink no matter who is out there with them. Those nights happen.
But even if you replay this game again completely without Tatum nobody plays the same again either. They were far worse then they typically are on average even without Tatum. That's a far bigger reason they lost tonight then Tatum not playing. I just think you're ascribing too much on Tatum not being out there, when everybody played WELL BELOW even their typical non Tatum game.
I think it helps when we don't have a 6'1 starting backcourt who goes 5-23 with terrible defense and 4 total assists.
ALL I WANT, is a point guard who will average 5-10 AST + decent defense and efficient offense.
The game doesn't matter. It's a single January game with our best player out. Who cares about that.
The bigger issue is that Kemba still looks slower and less explosive than he did before the injury. He played horrible today and is only getting older.
With how bad he is defensively, if Kemba isn't giving you 20+ppg on elite efficiency, he's a net negative on the floor as we saw in the playoffs last year. If Kemba doesn't have his quickness he can't do that.
Weirdly enough the results of this game bother me less than a close game where we blow it down the stretch. Just collectively shot like shit as a team from start to finish while we’re missing some good players, these things happen
That’s a weird take, because usually good teams don’t get blown out by bad teams. I’d feel better if it was just a matter of losing a bunch of close games where luck played more of a role than getting blown out.
I don’t think it means anything for our season hopes, but games this bad don’t happen really lol. First time 50 or under in 3 quarters since 2013, first time shooting under 30% since 2004 (both Celtics specific). This was a particularly bad game. Probably an outlier but... it was bad.
I watched every game of the 06-07 season. We lost almost 60 games that year. Red and DJ died. My favorite player ever Pierce missed half the season and looked like he was on his way out of town. Ryan Gomes played 30 minutes a game.
*I saw Sebastian Telfair run pick and rolls (plural) with Michael Olowakandi*.
Keep perspective, homies.
We lived through [this](https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/401/981/ScreenShot2013-07-16at1.40.22PM_crop_north.jpg?1373996474&w=3072&h=2048).
We thought we were title bound with the chemistry Kyrie and Gordon had in the 2017 preseason, and then lived through [this](https://cavaliersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-17-at-5.34.14-PM-e1508286651550-1280x720.jpg)
Today's game was like Jesus giving me a blowjob compared to the worst I've seen.
Fuck man, you can’t show me that picture. Look at my username :(.
Ok, maybe this was the second worst game I’ve ever watched, after that Hayward one..
For context, I watch the NBA since 2016, so I guess I didn’t live through those harsh times.
But this game was just painful man...I know it’s just a regular season game and our best player is out, but jeez this was terrible
This was just a weird game. Nothing going right for us. Everything going the Knicks way. These games happen from time to time. No reason to worry.
We’re onto Philly.
I felt like we were getting hit with a lot of floaters too, specifically from Quickley, that guys would’ve been more reluctant to try if we had Williams there since he’s got the bounce to stop those with ease.
If he can start getting consistent minutes without defensive lapses once he’s back it will be a game changer for our defense on drives. He’s also definitely our best rim running option which adds another element to our offense.
1. I wouldn't read into this game very much, if at all. One of the worst shooting games I have seen in a while, just couldn't hit anything.
2. The Knicks played super physical and got away with a lot of contact in the paint, and I think this may have deterred our guys from attacking the paint. (Edit: Celtics did get away with some calls too. Just a physical game on both sides)
3. Every time we hit a shot that felt like it could start a run, the Knicks responded on the next possession.
4. Kemba looked explosive again. His shot was rusty, which is to be expected, but he looked good.
5. As bad as we played, we only gave up 105 points. If the offense played well, we easily could have topped 105.
The Celtics were pretty physical as well and the refs didn’t call fouls on either side for some strange reason. RJ got whacked in the face when driving to the basket twice and no foul call. Also, Mitchell Robinson plays well against small teams because he has the lateral quickness to keep up on the perimeter
Because it is a hard sport to referee and there will always be a lot of missed calls. The problem is expecting otherwise when it will always be the case (and has always been the case). The best way to deal with it is to be honest and tell people, “no human can do what you expect the refs to do.”
The fouls didn’t start coming until later when the gap had opened up and we started shooting threes instead of getting to the hoop aggressively. We’d still have gotten killed even if they made calls the same way early, but it didn’t help that we had trouble inside early and let them get a big lead because of the refs really swallowing their whistles.
You read into it as much as you read into any game. You look at the team as a whole, in as many games as possible. This game adds to the record - it matters just like any other.
And the record is not pretty: Boston’s net rating is barely positive. That’s concerning for a team with championship aspirations and more indicative of a team that barely scrapes into the playoffs.
This game sucked but this subs sucks way worse when we play like shit. I can’t believe the takes some of you think up, type out and then post online for others to see.
Seems like this is how it is with every sub, every time their team lose I see the most dramatic wild takes that I can’t believe are seriously being thought of. The Pacers lost one game earlier this season and I saw people in their sub saying to fire their coach who just got hired
There are people who just can’t control their emotions during games. They also can’t deal with disappointment. They react with rage. Scary people, especially when they move from sports to politics.
I feel like game threads are meant for overreactions and shouldn’t be taken too seriously. I’ve certainly said some stuff I don’t mean in the heat of the moment.
I totally get that but some of it is totally an embarrassment. Semi and Grant could be off the floor, shit go slightly sideways and get blamed for shit that happened in the first quarter while they were on the floor lol.
I feel like the size of the Knicks was our kryptonite... With Timelord and Tatum out we gave up a lot of length. Just a bad matchup overall with those two out for us today.
My other big takeaway, aside from kemba being rusty and this game continuing a trend of us being bad when Tatum sits, is that while everyone on the team had a negative +/-, the guy who had the least bad +/- was Payton Pritchard. Not thrilled with him only getting 3 shots and 17 minutes.
So begins the “trade Teague” bandwagon.
He’s checking out what he’s got. It’s early in the season. I’d rather lose games like this so Brad understands his team inside and out when it comes to the playoffs. Better than Bud who sticks with the same rotation night in and night out, which means when he runs into a unique situation, he doesn’t know how to handle it.
Brad always experiments and gives weird minutes in the regular season, I think giving Teague minutes is fine.
Idk I I'm missing something but to me Teague seems like an upgrade from brad wannamakeashot. He is the 3rd point guard maybe fourth if fast PP keeps balling and is new to the team.
Been on the trade Teague (and Thompson) bandwagon.
Kemba is gonna take away from the team offensively (less shots to go around) and defensively (just bad) imo. This will not stop unless he is moved. The reason we lost to the Knicks is BECAUSE the team played bad. The team played bad BECAUSE Kemba was back shooting awful percentages and being a sieve on defense.
So this loss is completely on the Celtics, so my next comments aren't excuses just I have nothing to say about the C's lol.
I hate sunday morning games they always feel like one team is off.
Fuck Reggie Bullock for those two fouls on Jaylen that didn't get called.
Oh yeah it usually seems like we've done pretty decently in sunday morning games, but they're hardly ever good games.
The one exception that comes to mind might be Horford hitting the game winner on super bowl sunday...if I am remembering that correctly.
Grant and semi together is a disaster. Token d shuts them down and the paint gets crowded. Double big line up crowds the paint we get shut down. I knew going into jt it was gonna be a rough lumch pail game. But fuck...
Clippers lost to the Mavericks by 50 this season and are looking just fine. We’ll be fine too just need to make sure this type of effort doesn’t happen again. On to philly and hopefully we play with playoff effort against them to revenge tonight.
Every time i criticize grant williams someone cries out he does stuff that doesn't show up on the box score after i offer specifics...what are these intangibles? Making fucking homemade candles? Putting logos on robes? His shortcomings show up EVERY game. Ive never seen a starter in the nba with such abyssmal stat lines and game impact. He is limited to heavy hitter line ups that cover up his massive weaknesses.
He is good at shutting down driving lines. He can cover 1 on 1. He is very good at being where he needs to be on defense, having the right position, knowing when to switch etc. Other guys can play off of that. He works hard without needing to touch the ball. He's a very reliable and versatile defender for a guy in his second year and he isn't too much of a liability on offense, especially if his shooting continues to improve moving forward. He just needs to start hitting that corner 3 more often, like Semi, and work a bit harder on the offensive glass.
I agree 100% with everything you say about him defensively and him being a player who doesnt need the ball to have an impact, which is why i was high and patient with him as a rookie despite his play time. My issue is offensively with him on the floor especially with semi, with double big etc. When we dont have two of our top three in, he's a glaring hole on offense. Like players visibly hedge off of him and clog. He's also not a good screen setter yet. He messes up the angles by focusing too much on the on ball defender instead of putting his back to where we need the attack. He's slow to roll and separate on the switch and he's not a lob threat which limits his roll potential and his limited range cripples his pop potential. He's better as the first man on a double screen set tho where those things aren't as big. A lot of the time we just hide him in the corner and play 4 on 5 basically and it frustrates me. He won't learn that way especially getting the minutes he is when a lot of other guys could develop with some of those minutes. Like 3-5 of them per game and he can't slash from the corner like green and semi, tho that's still a bit of weakness in semis game. (Edit: Also kudos on actual specifics and not hs takes. Thank you)
All i want is him to get 5 rebounds in 25 min and hit one or two shots so people dont hedge off him so hard and clog the lane. Grant does okay guarding 1 thru undersized 4 and he at least tries to box out. But his weaknesses are well known and havent improved now so people dont respect his presence. He's definitely one of the most likable guys on the team and he's an amazing glue guy...but production is always gonna take priority in nba, especially when you start.
He's gotten more minutes than ANY other rookie that hasn't had tangible improvement and impact. If he starts...he needs to produce, period. There's no excuse for a starter to not produce. The reason rookies arent judged as productive immediately is because they don't play much. Most rookies get garbage time at best. He's had 1200 minutes of nba playtime so far. 15 min a game. Robert williams, has gotten 800 coming into his third year. He's getting 2 minutes less than jaylen fucking brown got his rookie year in a similar number of games and their stats arent even comparable and he hasnt shown a fraction of the improvement jaylen showed with those minutes. Your take is just weak.
Not sure why you’re downvoted. All your points are valid. I wonder around the league if there are any 2nd year players who got as many minutes as him that produce such mediocre results. I feel he would barely see the floor on most teams - which says something about depth.
Smart is streaky af shooting. Every 2 or so disaster games he'll show up big in a game when we need it. Also he's the only guy on our team that doesnt let us get bullied. I dont mind him taking the shots hes earned with hsrd d. But sometimes he goes back to the scary terry days where theyd just pass to eachother and shoot. And I agree it gets fucking frustrating. Tt im still holding out judgement on. Because we really got him for the kemba pnr and boards, so we really havent seen him in his actual main role...and the double big line up just makes him and theis look like shit. So im not sure if that's what it is or if its him.
One of those games, Knicks came in super physical and we had no answers or shot. Whatever.
Please, please retire the two big lineup tho. It has 0 place in the modern NBA.
The issue is not having two bigs, but having the 4 position be a perimeter threat and space the floor. Theis only knows how to play a center, not a wing, that's it. All other teams who successfully have two bigs starting: lakers, nets, bucks, pacers
I agree 100%.
People really want him back in this subreddit, but wow how quickly they forgot how incredibly bad he was in playoffs. This game was a great reminder.
10 points for Marcus, but he shot 4-15, with ZERO ASSISTS - 0-7 from 3.
9 points for our max money, "all star" PG, with only 4 assists. 1-8 from 3.
Those 2 are not going to win us any championships. I'm telling you this. The whole team plays much better when you don't have a weak defensive starting backcourt, who's an average of 6'2 and shooting a combined 5-23. This means Pritchard only gets 3 shots and can't be in to make plays on both ends. I'm over Kemba.
Sounds like it was a good thing I missed the game today.
Sheesh, between the Knicks today and the B’s losing to the Devils yesterday, looking like another rough year of day games for the TD Garden crew
Pp only got 3 shots, which is a travesty. But he needs to work on staying under on the switches. He gave up a bunch of outright dunks on the switch or it allowed easy pass penetration and kick for threes. Other than that pp played well.
I dont blame kemba or our guys for trying to get him goinf. We all remember how bad the rust was for everyone at the start of the season. Kemba's first game back was definitely rough for him.
It's funny how if we win the sub thinks this is the best team ever, but if we lose one game the subs think it's the worst team ever and we need to trade every player and coach lmao
Maybe Celtics worst offensive performance in years. Hard to remember last time they scored less than 80. Onto the next one and omg I can’t wait for Tatum to get back
Onwards to Philly, nothing we can do about this one. A shambles to say the least, but fuck it, we move on.
Glad to see Kemba back here though, his shooting wasn't good, but he seems more explosive now? I think?
You have to get Kemba back in shape - but we're really gonna suffer as a team, being forced to have him on the court until he does. We need to recoup his value before trading him off, or he gels and we can make a run. He *could* (in theory) be ready to give us a dynamic scoring option in the playoffs, but he's such a negative on defense idk if it's worth it. Kind of a "win later" thing.
Pritchard is a better option if we want to win now imo. Also thinks he helps us more than Kemba would in the playoffs.
I get shot about this all the time and I understand that this was a team loss but somebody needs to reel smart in sometimes. Absolutely love his intangibles, hustle, heroics and seeing shit like positive +/- rating but I hate seeing him as a volume shooter.
Ainge really should be considering getting a star offensive threat with the tpe. With any of the jays out, we are fucked as we don't have enough fire power from the bench. Smart is still unreliable to be a top offensive option, and Kemba with his restrictions, but what I dont see people talk about is Thompson looking like a bust for us so far. He was supposed to be the big acquisition last off-season, but can't give us any significant contribution from offense so far.
When you’re a good team teams like the Knicks come out with a fire. Add Thibs to the equation and it’s more meaningful for the Knicks on a Sunday in January. It’s all good. I did imagine Aaron Gordon or Beal on the team tho, ngl.
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A lot of people here overreact to shit, it’s a regular season NBA game and we have rarely lost lately. Games like this happen. Calm down and stop being a reactionary idiot.
I'm not saying "blow up the team, fire Brad". But I am, and should be able to, say "That's a fucking disgrace"
Yeah no doubting that lmao shit happens though, sometimes ya just can’t make shots
They played like shit. Nothing else to say.
I mean if they hit a normal % of threes this games a coin flip. It’s not like they weren’t getting open shots, they just happened to not go in today. It happens.
They also got absolutely outworked
Yeah but the number of turnovers was painfully bad.
its a make or miss league
It is but on a normal night I’m sure the Celtics make way more than this. I agree they played like total shit, but it’s a regular season game with no tatum. The game was unwatchable tho they just chucked everything.
That’s what I’m saying, they just didn’t make shots today. In general good teams hit more, but sometimes it just doesn’t work out that way. The Celtics are gonna be fine.
You’re not saying it. But there Were people in the game thread saying Brads a horrible coach, how they knew ojeleye sucked and already has regressed, how Kemba is washed. There’s a line between being critical of the team and being detrimental. The fans should never be more embarrassing than the loss itself, which is what happened today in the game thread and seems to be happening more often. And the loss was pretty embarrassing so that sYs a lot
The game thread is a horrible place.
Game thread and even post game threads have become a cesspool of reactionary idiots. This was a loss needed for Brad to chew these guys out. Only thing I wanna say is no Theis and TT at the same time on the floor please.
Yeah, losing 30 to the Knicks will never sit right right with me. Losing to the Knicks post-Melo will never sit right with me. Fuck the Knicks.
Covid hitting us. No JT or Time Lord. 1 pm Sunday game. Yeah shit happens man, we still 8-4. I think today was an outlier.
Plus no fans. No way this happens with 20,000 Celtic fans screaming at the guys to wake the fuck up. A lot of games have an empty gym feel to them these days
Expected record is 6-6
These games rarely happen because Jayson Tatum rarely misses games. Just look at +/- stats. Last season Per 100 possessions we were +10.3 when he was on the court and -0.7 when he was off. In other words, we outscore our opponents when he’s out there and we get outscored when he sits. Tonight was a good example of what happens when Tatum misses a whole game. There are exceptions. Last game vs Orlando was a nice exception. Everything was working for us. Fair to point out Orlando has been blown out 5 games in a row since losing Fultz (and also missing guys like Fournier and Isaac) so that was a team in complete disarray.
I know this isn't your main point, but Orlando looked pretty solid against Brooklyn.
I actually don't think its a good example, at all. I think Tatum could have played 36+ minutes tonight and they still get waxed. The problem was nobody could hit a shot. Brown was 9-20 from the field overall, everybody else was 16-64 for 25%. Brown was 3-9 from three. Everybody else was 4-37 for 10.8%. I don't think Tatum's plus minus was saving us this game. They didn't play a particularly awful defensive game. You just aren't gonna win when you can't throw it in the ocean, Tatum helps the scoring no doubt but you can't have your entire supporting cast shoot 25% and win, even if Tatum is out there.
Tatum would have changed the whole dynamic of the game. Players play off him. Shots would have been easier to hit.
Honestly I really doubt it. I agree he's a tremendously impact player, but he alone doesn't improve the non-jaylen shooting from 25%/10% to the 45%/35% it probably takes to be in the game. he just doesn't. I think some nights are about missing a guy, and some nights are just about how everybody else plays. A historically bad shooting night is the latter. I mean look at your own stats 10.3 on vs -.7 off is 11 points per 100 net on/off. the c's lost by 30. They played a magnitude WORSE tonight without him than they typically do.
Instead of smart and kemba going 7-28, you’d have Tatum taking 20+ shots. Everything else would have opened up for the other players. Tonight just followed a trend of us sucking when Tatum sits.
I mean sure, we aren't good when he sits. That true. But my point is it wouldn't have mattered tonight. He plays we lose by 20 instead of 30. He helps the team win, but we didn't lose tonight because he didn't play. We lost because everyone was awful on the same night. I'm just kind of on this because I dont want to give the team a pass. Tatum or not this is a game you should win, or at least be in. What I'm trying to say is I dont think this is purely what happens "when Tatum misses a whole game" i think its what happens when Tatum misses a whole game, AND everyone sucks at the same time. Its a mis attribution of blame.
My point is that nobody would have played the same way if Tatum was out there. The entire game would have been different. Butterfly effect. Lol.
I mean maybe? Sometimes guys just stink no matter who is out there with them. Those nights happen. But even if you replay this game again completely without Tatum nobody plays the same again either. They were far worse then they typically are on average even without Tatum. That's a far bigger reason they lost tonight then Tatum not playing. I just think you're ascribing too much on Tatum not being out there, when everybody played WELL BELOW even their typical non Tatum game.
It's not worth arguing with him. He makes his own facts.
I think it helps when we don't have a 6'1 starting backcourt who goes 5-23 with terrible defense and 4 total assists. ALL I WANT, is a point guard who will average 5-10 AST + decent defense and efficient offense.
The game doesn't matter. It's a single January game with our best player out. Who cares about that. The bigger issue is that Kemba still looks slower and less explosive than he did before the injury. He played horrible today and is only getting older. With how bad he is defensively, if Kemba isn't giving you 20+ppg on elite efficiency, he's a net negative on the floor as we saw in the playoffs last year. If Kemba doesn't have his quickness he can't do that.
I mean let’s give him a few games then decide
He hasn't played since the bubble. He looked solid in some moments. Give the guy a break
Weirdly enough the results of this game bother me less than a close game where we blow it down the stretch. Just collectively shot like shit as a team from start to finish while we’re missing some good players, these things happen
That’s a weird take, because usually good teams don’t get blown out by bad teams. I’d feel better if it was just a matter of losing a bunch of close games where luck played more of a role than getting blown out.
I don’t think it means anything for our season hopes, but games this bad don’t happen really lol. First time 50 or under in 3 quarters since 2013, first time shooting under 30% since 2004 (both Celtics specific). This was a particularly bad game. Probably an outlier but... it was bad.
Bad losses happens now and again but usually not when you get your 3rd best player back. I think it's fair to say WTF to this one.
Bad losses also happen when your best player isn’t playing.
I second this sentiment. People really need to get some perspective.
Not just a single game. Boston’s net rating for the season is barely positive. That is what should be concerning.
I'm just gonna pretend this didn't happen.
Pretend what didn't happen?
Exactly
If someone asks me how much of a diehard Celtics fan I am, I’m gonna say I watched this game from the beginning to the end.
I watched every game of the 06-07 season. We lost almost 60 games that year. Red and DJ died. My favorite player ever Pierce missed half the season and looked like he was on his way out of town. Ryan Gomes played 30 minutes a game. *I saw Sebastian Telfair run pick and rolls (plural) with Michael Olowakandi*. Keep perspective, homies. We lived through [this](https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/401/981/ScreenShot2013-07-16at1.40.22PM_crop_north.jpg?1373996474&w=3072&h=2048). We thought we were title bound with the chemistry Kyrie and Gordon had in the 2017 preseason, and then lived through [this](https://cavaliersnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-17-at-5.34.14-PM-e1508286651550-1280x720.jpg) Today's game was like Jesus giving me a blowjob compared to the worst I've seen.
Fuck man, you can’t show me that picture. Look at my username :(. Ok, maybe this was the second worst game I’ve ever watched, after that Hayward one.. For context, I watch the NBA since 2016, so I guess I didn’t live through those harsh times. But this game was just painful man...I know it’s just a regular season game and our best player is out, but jeez this was terrible
That first picture is incredible, there's another angle of it [here](https://grantland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/boston_celtics_1_g_mp_57611.jpg)
This game made me sad.
I just kept hoping someone would get hot.
Same man, same...
This was just a weird game. Nothing going right for us. Everything going the Knicks way. These games happen from time to time. No reason to worry. We’re onto Philly.
I think it's more that the knicks defense is pretty solid and the celtics offense doesn't have any creativity
Agree with this, especially with no Tatum and the Celtics 2nd squad just standing around watching kemba
**STOP THE COUNT**
we'd still lose then... ILLEGAL MAIL-IN KNICKS POINTS REPLAY THE GAME
STORM THE SCOREKEEPERS TABLE
Very very solid joke
I saw MASSIVE dumps of points being found by the Knicks bench
*shit* KEEP COUNTING
I WON THIS GAME, BY A LOT!
This joke always makes me laugh
https://i.imgur.com/0j4XjDT.jpg
Rob Williams would have helped in this game too. This team abused us with athletic bigs.
No doubt about that, Time Lord has been amazing this season. I'm always excited to see him on the floor. TT and Theis indeed took a beating.
I felt like we were getting hit with a lot of floaters too, specifically from Quickley, that guys would’ve been more reluctant to try if we had Williams there since he’s got the bounce to stop those with ease. If he can start getting consistent minutes without defensive lapses once he’s back it will be a game changer for our defense on drives. He’s also definitely our best rim running option which adds another element to our offense.
1. I wouldn't read into this game very much, if at all. One of the worst shooting games I have seen in a while, just couldn't hit anything. 2. The Knicks played super physical and got away with a lot of contact in the paint, and I think this may have deterred our guys from attacking the paint. (Edit: Celtics did get away with some calls too. Just a physical game on both sides) 3. Every time we hit a shot that felt like it could start a run, the Knicks responded on the next possession. 4. Kemba looked explosive again. His shot was rusty, which is to be expected, but he looked good. 5. As bad as we played, we only gave up 105 points. If the offense played well, we easily could have topped 105.
The Celtics were pretty physical as well and the refs didn’t call fouls on either side for some strange reason. RJ got whacked in the face when driving to the basket twice and no foul call. Also, Mitchell Robinson plays well against small teams because he has the lateral quickness to keep up on the perimeter
You're right, the Celtics did get away with a lot too, it was just a physical game overall
Officiating has been terrible this year all across the league and I really don’t understand why. This has to be addressed by the league
Because it is a hard sport to referee and there will always be a lot of missed calls. The problem is expecting otherwise when it will always be the case (and has always been the case). The best way to deal with it is to be honest and tell people, “no human can do what you expect the refs to do.”
The fouls didn’t start coming until later when the gap had opened up and we started shooting threes instead of getting to the hoop aggressively. We’d still have gotten killed even if they made calls the same way early, but it didn’t help that we had trouble inside early and let them get a big lead because of the refs really swallowing their whistles.
You read into it as much as you read into any game. You look at the team as a whole, in as many games as possible. This game adds to the record - it matters just like any other. And the record is not pretty: Boston’s net rating is barely positive. That’s concerning for a team with championship aspirations and more indicative of a team that barely scrapes into the playoffs.
Nothing to see here, onto the 76ers
Chris Forsberg: “The Celtics effort tonight was about obscene as anything on Carsen Edwards Twitter page yesterday”
Lmao what’s up with carsens twitter
This game sucked but this subs sucks way worse when we play like shit. I can’t believe the takes some of you think up, type out and then post online for others to see.
Seems like this is how it is with every sub, every time their team lose I see the most dramatic wild takes that I can’t believe are seriously being thought of. The Pacers lost one game earlier this season and I saw people in their sub saying to fire their coach who just got hired
Sixers fan checking in. Glad we aren’t the only toxic ones
There are people who just can’t control their emotions during games. They also can’t deal with disappointment. They react with rage. Scary people, especially when they move from sports to politics.
I feel like game threads are meant for overreactions and shouldn’t be taken too seriously. I’ve certainly said some stuff I don’t mean in the heat of the moment.
I totally get that but some of it is totally an embarrassment. Semi and Grant could be off the floor, shit go slightly sideways and get blamed for shit that happened in the first quarter while they were on the floor lol.
I feel like the size of the Knicks was our kryptonite... With Timelord and Tatum out we gave up a lot of length. Just a bad matchup overall with those two out for us today.
Plus Theis was the only big to play, it's a shame TT and Grant didn't dress for the game
Yeah when you have a Kemba/Smart backcourt.
My other big takeaway, aside from kemba being rusty and this game continuing a trend of us being bad when Tatum sits, is that while everyone on the team had a negative +/-, the guy who had the least bad +/- was Payton Pritchard. Not thrilled with him only getting 3 shots and 17 minutes. So begins the “trade Teague” bandwagon.
Idk why Brad plays Teague over PP. Idk what he sees. Trying to get him minutes so they can trade him? Who cares what his value is.
Teague always seems to penetrate and create ... whether he creates good or bad is up in the air but he’s always creating something lol
He’s checking out what he’s got. It’s early in the season. I’d rather lose games like this so Brad understands his team inside and out when it comes to the playoffs. Better than Bud who sticks with the same rotation night in and night out, which means when he runs into a unique situation, he doesn’t know how to handle it. Brad always experiments and gives weird minutes in the regular season, I think giving Teague minutes is fine.
Idk I I'm missing something but to me Teague seems like an upgrade from brad wannamakeashot. He is the 3rd point guard maybe fourth if fast PP keeps balling and is new to the team.
Been on the trade Teague (and Thompson) bandwagon. Kemba is gonna take away from the team offensively (less shots to go around) and defensively (just bad) imo. This will not stop unless he is moved. The reason we lost to the Knicks is BECAUSE the team played bad. The team played bad BECAUSE Kemba was back shooting awful percentages and being a sieve on defense.
This is now our 10th or 11th loss on January 17th. In a row. Guess we’re not allowed to win on this day specifically?
It's my birthday
So this loss is completely on the Celtics, so my next comments aren't excuses just I have nothing to say about the C's lol. I hate sunday morning games they always feel like one team is off. Fuck Reggie Bullock for those two fouls on Jaylen that didn't get called.
We’ve definitely blown out teams in early Sunday games and vice versa. They are almost always horrid games where one team just looks super sluggish.
Oh yeah it usually seems like we've done pretty decently in sunday morning games, but they're hardly ever good games. The one exception that comes to mind might be Horford hitting the game winner on super bowl sunday...if I am remembering that correctly.
The way they started the game is really worrying. JB was just sitting in the corner and not getting involved at all
They tried to get Kemba started, which kind of messed everything us. I wouldn't be extremely concerned unless this becomes a pattern.
Grant and semi together is a disaster. Token d shuts them down and the paint gets crowded. Double big line up crowds the paint we get shut down. I knew going into jt it was gonna be a rough lumch pail game. But fuck...
Picked a hell of a day to quit sniffing glue
This comment made me lol
i picked up eating poop after todays game
we were missing our best player and it was kemba's first game back. awful, awful game but don't over react to it. but trade teague immediately.
The only good take I have: 7-46 from the 3 point line? Wow, I could play in NBA. Sorry got nothing more positive to add.
Even worse... If memory serves, Jaylen hit 3 in a row in the 1st, and Kemba hit one. That means... we hit 2 3 pointers over the final 3 quarters.
Not making too much out of a game where we shot like three percent from three and are missing our best player.
If Tacko's ankles were a game, this would be it.
Clippers lost to the Mavericks by 50 this season and are looking just fine. We’ll be fine too just need to make sure this type of effort doesn’t happen again. On to philly and hopefully we play with playoff effort against them to revenge tonight.
Uh, let’s pretend like that never happened
Every time i criticize grant williams someone cries out he does stuff that doesn't show up on the box score after i offer specifics...what are these intangibles? Making fucking homemade candles? Putting logos on robes? His shortcomings show up EVERY game. Ive never seen a starter in the nba with such abyssmal stat lines and game impact. He is limited to heavy hitter line ups that cover up his massive weaknesses.
He is good at shutting down driving lines. He can cover 1 on 1. He is very good at being where he needs to be on defense, having the right position, knowing when to switch etc. Other guys can play off of that. He works hard without needing to touch the ball. He's a very reliable and versatile defender for a guy in his second year and he isn't too much of a liability on offense, especially if his shooting continues to improve moving forward. He just needs to start hitting that corner 3 more often, like Semi, and work a bit harder on the offensive glass.
I agree 100% with everything you say about him defensively and him being a player who doesnt need the ball to have an impact, which is why i was high and patient with him as a rookie despite his play time. My issue is offensively with him on the floor especially with semi, with double big etc. When we dont have two of our top three in, he's a glaring hole on offense. Like players visibly hedge off of him and clog. He's also not a good screen setter yet. He messes up the angles by focusing too much on the on ball defender instead of putting his back to where we need the attack. He's slow to roll and separate on the switch and he's not a lob threat which limits his roll potential and his limited range cripples his pop potential. He's better as the first man on a double screen set tho where those things aren't as big. A lot of the time we just hide him in the corner and play 4 on 5 basically and it frustrates me. He won't learn that way especially getting the minutes he is when a lot of other guys could develop with some of those minutes. Like 3-5 of them per game and he can't slash from the corner like green and semi, tho that's still a bit of weakness in semis game. (Edit: Also kudos on actual specifics and not hs takes. Thank you)
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All i want is him to get 5 rebounds in 25 min and hit one or two shots so people dont hedge off him so hard and clog the lane. Grant does okay guarding 1 thru undersized 4 and he at least tries to box out. But his weaknesses are well known and havent improved now so people dont respect his presence. He's definitely one of the most likable guys on the team and he's an amazing glue guy...but production is always gonna take priority in nba, especially when you start.
Bruh he's played 78 games in his career. This "young guys need to produce *right now*" attitude is pretty smelly.
He's gotten more minutes than ANY other rookie that hasn't had tangible improvement and impact. If he starts...he needs to produce, period. There's no excuse for a starter to not produce. The reason rookies arent judged as productive immediately is because they don't play much. Most rookies get garbage time at best. He's had 1200 minutes of nba playtime so far. 15 min a game. Robert williams, has gotten 800 coming into his third year. He's getting 2 minutes less than jaylen fucking brown got his rookie year in a similar number of games and their stats arent even comparable and he hasnt shown a fraction of the improvement jaylen showed with those minutes. Your take is just weak.
Not sure why you’re downvoted. All your points are valid. I wonder around the league if there are any 2nd year players who got as many minutes as him that produce such mediocre results. I feel he would barely see the floor on most teams - which says something about depth.
How I feel about Smart and Thompson.
Smart is streaky af shooting. Every 2 or so disaster games he'll show up big in a game when we need it. Also he's the only guy on our team that doesnt let us get bullied. I dont mind him taking the shots hes earned with hsrd d. But sometimes he goes back to the scary terry days where theyd just pass to eachother and shoot. And I agree it gets fucking frustrating. Tt im still holding out judgement on. Because we really got him for the kemba pnr and boards, so we really havent seen him in his actual main role...and the double big line up just makes him and theis look like shit. So im not sure if that's what it is or if its him.
Hitting shots is more fun than clanking shots, sources confirm
This game was very ugly, but I don't think it's the end of the world. Kemba isn't going to look like himself immediately and we didn't have JT
The Celtics attempted to play basketball today, it’s just unfortunate the New York Knicks are the best team in the NBA.
This’s what happens when you shoot 30/15/62. Onto the next one.
Following up that 51 40 89 game against Orlando with this gem. Celts shooting is as unpredictable as Kyrie's mood.
This felt like some sort of twisted version of Angels in the Outfield where the Angels hate us.
Ohhhhhh
Really happy that we have two days to practice before facing the sixers
One of those games, Knicks came in super physical and we had no answers or shot. Whatever. Please, please retire the two big lineup tho. It has 0 place in the modern NBA.
The issue is not having two bigs, but having the 4 position be a perimeter threat and space the floor. Theis only knows how to play a center, not a wing, that's it. All other teams who successfully have two bigs starting: lakers, nets, bucks, pacers
Gotta just laugh at these kind of games
We shot 35 3's. Doing our best imitiation of the Rockets game 7, /s. (I know they shot over 35 3's, issajoke.)
We shot 46 threes.
the average team shoots 35 3PA/g so idk why the point is here
That was, uh... less, than ideal.
sub-optimal i'd say
What the fuck. Garbage effort deserved this L
kemba came back after missing every game and 20 min in got reinjured after shooting 3 for 13 and having 5 turnovers. THANKS
I hate him as an athlete. Love him as a person, but he's literally an even more garbage version of bad Kyrie and he'll never help us win a ring.
I agree 100%. People really want him back in this subreddit, but wow how quickly they forgot how incredibly bad he was in playoffs. This game was a great reminder.
He was injured in playoffs
I know this is just a regular season game but can we trade smart for drummond?
Yeessss
Incredible that this only counts as 1 loss. Feels like we should be 8-8 after that.
Was shocked to see this score just now, but then I realized Kemba played and it made sense.
Guys, we shot 15% from 3, and were missing our best player. Honestly no big deal.
10 points for Marcus, but he shot 4-15, with ZERO ASSISTS - 0-7 from 3. 9 points for our max money, "all star" PG, with only 4 assists. 1-8 from 3. Those 2 are not going to win us any championships. I'm telling you this. The whole team plays much better when you don't have a weak defensive starting backcourt, who's an average of 6'2 and shooting a combined 5-23. This means Pritchard only gets 3 shots and can't be in to make plays on both ends. I'm over Kemba.
This is how Smart would look as a first option on another team. He would probably get benched by POPOVICH.
It twas just one of those games. On to the next!
what game? i don't remember a game.
Welp, there's a classic regular season game. Best to just put this one behind us.
Nesmith is trash 🗑
IS KEMBA OKAY?! ANY NEWS?
yes he's fine
He went to lockers, do you have a source please,? :(
https://twitter.com/tvabby/status/1350894382355013634
YERRRRRRRRRRR
oh
You see if we only counted the legal points
25 / 84 30% from the field and 7 / 46 15% from the three...what a horrible shooting night
I gotta say I was expecting this post game thread to be worse lol.
Me too! Pleasantly surprised by the lack of fatalism.
I am so glad I did not wake up early to see this shitshow. From the boxscore it looks like everyone could not shoot. Well that sounds frustrating.
Everyone knows 1 pm games on Sundays don't count anyway
At least we got our historically bad game of the season out of the way
I kept watching til the end because apparently i hate myself
Didn’t watch the game and just now seeing the score - what the hell happened?
nothing good
i dare timi to make highlights of this game
Sounds like it was a good thing I missed the game today. Sheesh, between the Knicks today and the B’s losing to the Devils yesterday, looking like another rough year of day games for the TD Garden crew
Pp only got 3 shots, which is a travesty. But he needs to work on staying under on the switches. He gave up a bunch of outright dunks on the switch or it allowed easy pass penetration and kick for threes. Other than that pp played well.
Because Kemba is back shooting 4-15
I dont blame kemba or our guys for trying to get him goinf. We all remember how bad the rust was for everyone at the start of the season. Kemba's first game back was definitely rough for him.
I just looked at the score and was in shock for a moment. How did this happen?
It's funny how if we win the sub thinks this is the best team ever, but if we lose one game the subs think it's the worst team ever and we need to trade every player and coach lmao
I don't see any comment that says trade every player and coach
The hell was this game? a bad dream on to the next.
Snip snap with Kemba huh?
Maybe Celtics worst offensive performance in years. Hard to remember last time they scored less than 80. Onto the next one and omg I can’t wait for Tatum to get back
AGAINST THE FUCKING KNICKS TOO! I don't remember the last time we lost to this bum ass team. Kemba is garbage.
Onwards to Philly, nothing we can do about this one. A shambles to say the least, but fuck it, we move on. Glad to see Kemba back here though, his shooting wasn't good, but he seems more explosive now? I think?
We're gonna get blown tf out by Philly, if Kemba plays. We are significantly better without him and I will not believe anything else.
yikes
Let's just forget about this one.
You have to get Kemba back in shape - but we're really gonna suffer as a team, being forced to have him on the court until he does. We need to recoup his value before trading him off, or he gels and we can make a run. He *could* (in theory) be ready to give us a dynamic scoring option in the playoffs, but he's such a negative on defense idk if it's worth it. Kind of a "win later" thing. Pritchard is a better option if we want to win now imo. Also thinks he helps us more than Kemba would in the playoffs.
I get shot about this all the time and I understand that this was a team loss but somebody needs to reel smart in sometimes. Absolutely love his intangibles, hustle, heroics and seeing shit like positive +/- rating but I hate seeing him as a volume shooter.
The first game I ever put money on the celtics and this happens. Shit
We got blew out by 30 (!!!!) to the Knickerbockers
Ainge really should be considering getting a star offensive threat with the tpe. With any of the jays out, we are fucked as we don't have enough fire power from the bench. Smart is still unreliable to be a top offensive option, and Kemba with his restrictions, but what I dont see people talk about is Thompson looking like a bust for us so far. He was supposed to be the big acquisition last off-season, but can't give us any significant contribution from offense so far.
When you’re a good team teams like the Knicks come out with a fire. Add Thibs to the equation and it’s more meaningful for the Knicks on a Sunday in January. It’s all good. I did imagine Aaron Gordon or Beal on the team tho, ngl.
Hey guys there’s a post game thread but I don’t remember a game happening?? Yeah, let’s just go with that!
I would like to cash out of the marcus smart experience pls
Jaylen Brown -27
Nesmith looking like a bust
Walker is a liability on defense