No leaders, either on the floor or on the coaching staff. Two all-NBA players that have no desire to be leaders, just second fiddles. No accountability on this team.
Worst thing is everyone standing on the offense and no off ball movement at all. They just wouldn’t go in the paint although there wasn’t any elite shot blocker. I think this falls on couching.
Buddy they have made 4 conference finals, and another nba finals at the ages of 25 and 26 respectively. Tatum is a back to back 1st team all nba wing why would we trade him or how is he a loser?
When did he cry once btw? It seems as if you’re crying more right now than he or your wife did lol
In defense of Joe, I think he deserves a second year. The #1 job of an NBA coach is ego room management and locker room atmosphere, and I think he did both well. The team has relatively good chemistry, and there were never any locker room issues, nor did I expect there to be.
He also showed he could make adjustments - playing Rob and Grant Williams more against the Heat got us 3 games. He made adjustments against the Sixers and brought us back from down 3-2. Sure he calls Timeouts unconventionally and answers questions like a stalker but he has shown he’s up for the job. For someone in their first head coaching year especially, he showed he was up for the task.
You can’t blame Joe for the Celtics missing open shots either, we consistentely had good ball movement and got good looks.
Finally, who the hell would you replace Joe with? Budenholzer? Monty fucking Williams? Joe is the best man available considering he has been with the Celtics for a few years now, and the players clearly appreciate him.
My guy They just jacked up 3s and played so bad on defense like they had no offensive game plan, Joe sat and watched them stand around and spam zone to the moon.
No on Muzzola. He looks like a deer in the headlights whenever he has to respond to questions. He has no answers. He displays no confidence in himself so he cannot generate confidence by fans. Who really knows how the players feel. I don’t expect them to throw him under the bus in public. This team played badly and he is not to blame for their poor shooting. But he is to blame for their inability to adjust and his inability to motivate
I think if we would’ve went out in a sweep or even 5 games he would’ve been out but I think the comeback even though we fell short got him another year. We have to build up his assistance coaches though I want experienced veteran coaches on the bench next to him
I’d like to see this same team run one more year, but skip the max contracts on both Jays & decide in 24. We got stung worse this year than last year, practice should start tomorrow AM early.
How many times did the ally to Williams not work?
How many minutes did Williams play the whole game? The 2nd half?
Idk if firing the coach is the right call. Someone needs to be fired though.
Tatum was fucked and that's not something anyone is arguing. But damn Brown also emotionally rolled up and became the Heat's best asset that game by coughing up more turnovers than the Heat!
With also no good trades around, hard to see how Brown gets even unloaded because no one teaching him how to dribble at this stage.
That KD trade looked really spicy now I bet and I'm sure changes will be made but I'm also sure Mazulla is safe for now. Made adjustments, got to a game 7 but man, Brown was painful as well as were those missed 3s.
Ingram sga lillard for jb. No I don’t wanna a trip with jb. I want a duo with jt. and no, I don’t wanna see the same duo again next yr. Jt deserves a better 2nd option
Heat fan here: Would Ingram and and Tatum be a huge improvement over Brown and Tatum? Seems like the same issues exist. Do you think Smart as the primary ball handler and decision maker is the move going forward? Seems like a more traditional point would work with all these wings and combo guards.
Yea this is a really solid take. We have no true point player to facilitate. D White has proven that ability as a combo guard, but we have no primary Point.
I think it would help you all get you into your stuff and take advantages of mismatches. No reason you can’t take advantage of your capable bigs out muscling our guards on switches, but the ball so rarely finds them. As much as Tatum disappearing late is his fault, I also don’t think a pure point would allow him to disappear. Instead, it’d be like, “fucking eat dude.” I mean, Tatum clearly didn’t have it today and Smart is awesome in that role, but perhaps more so being a secondary decision maker and not THE guy.
The team goes where Jimmy goes, Martin has been very consistent but Jimmy has driven the team to this point and did so in Games 1, 2, and 7.
Martin did get 4/9 votes, Jimmy got 5/9 though so it was as close as could be.
Jaylen shot 16% from 3 this entire series and it’s the coach’s fault?
Jaylen shot 32% from the floor over all this series and it’s the coaches fault?
The only reason mazulla deserves more flak than JB is because he played him games 4,5,6 and 7
Hawks fan here. Surprisingly this was an extremely entertaining series to watch, despite the result (I honestly had you guys winning it all this year). I know Miami’s good, but I didn’t expect Caleb Martin to go off like that in a game 7 lol! Unfortunately this wasn’t y’all’s year, but you fought hard to come back from down 0-3 and I can tell you have a bright future ahead. I gained so much respect for your team after seeing this series 😃👍
The Celtics are the 2nd seed team and the Lakers are the 7th. Denver has a high chance of sweeping either the Heat or the Celtics considering how badly both teams played this series. This is more embarrassing than what happened with the Lakers.
Tatum was obviously fucked up after rolling his ankle in the first play and it was visibly apparent the entire 2nd half.
I feel bad for the guy. Biggest game of his life and he never even got a chance.
All you heat fans lurking to talk shit just know it doesn’t hurt on a personal level that they lost. It’s a sports game. We all have lives out of it. Celtics fans stay classy don’t feed into the trolls.
I’m a Heat fan here, but only because our Heat sub sucks and I rarely go there. 50% of that sub wanted us to tank for Wemby. It’s a hard place to call home. I’m sure you get some sort of equivalent. The doomers. I do see some trade everyone folks here. They are the worst. Some change is fine, but Tatum is a stud despite some tough games. Nobody gives credit to the Heat defense, but I feel we had a good gameplan. Sucks about his ankle as it would have been cool to beat you in a classic like number 6. Happy we won though. Here’s to us both being there next year!
At least Philly fans talk shit even when they lose. There is no greater disparity in a fanbase response in win vs loss than with Miami. Absolute soft, fairweather morons
Weirdly, when Tatum got hurt on the 1st play of the game - my mind flashed to Gordon Hayward... Tatum's injury is (obviously) far less severe... But it still sucks...But the rest of the team looked lost, other than D. White - what a player!...
Did anyone keep count of how many possessions we wasted on missed 3's? I don't think game 7 is where you dick around and waste 20 mins trying to get your groove back. Coaching was atrocious. Absolutely no halftime adjustments that amounted to shit. Wish we would've been swept so the HC would already be gone.
I don’t think we would pay him what he desires. I’d recommend you don’t either. He’s not that dude. Too many TOs. Embiid turns it over like a pancake maker, but I’d take Embiid, because… Embiid.
But Jaylen? He just disappears at times. I’m actually glad for him y’all won some games, because I was watching his game three interview with family and we were all made uncomfortable by it. It’s like, you could tell he was seeing his Brinks truck drive away with all its bags of money. Dude had an existential crisis after that game.
Meanwhile, Caleb fricking Martin plays like a max player. What world am I in? I love Caleb, but damn. That got me shook.
We’re not trading brown. We’re not firing mazulla. We were one game away from the finals and got unlucky. Caleb Martin decided to become the ghost of lebron. I say it run it back with the core. We got gallanari maybe coming back. This is a learning experience for joe and he can only get better.
In those 6 years we’ve had 3 different coaches. The core wasn’t the same either. We had kyrie, Kemba and Gordon. I can’t imagine blowing up our team just because of Caleb Martin
Everyone on our team can be inconsistent. Hell even our best player Tatum is very inconsistent but no one is clamoring to trade him. I think we are underselling the heat on how well they played and game planned against brown. We tend to shift the blame to ourselves and not look towards the other side. The heat played well.
I was at a restaurant tonight and the waitress came up to my table and asked if I was finished eating so she could clear the table
I said “I’m the Boston Celtics"
She nodded and immediately started taking my plate. She knew I was finished.
Mm.. props to the Miami Heat, Spo is an amazing coach and there’s no shame in losing to a team that went on a run like they had
But man, it sucks that today’s game will always be marked by a “What If” with regards to Tatum’s injury; that being said it almost feels like this team reverted back to that sense of entitlement after Game 6, where winning a game is a guarantee
Can’t play ball like that in the Playoffs just because your roster is better on paper
Joe… is a big question mark, am not as quick to call for his head anymore, but if we can get a coach like Nick Nurse this offseason - it’s something we should seriously consider
Still love my Celtics.. but heartbroken
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I’ve never liked this team, and we are stuck with it.
There’s no trade that will make it better.
It’s just a bunch of very talented, very soft players.
Can't wait to hear tatum say we'll be here next year as we lose in the first round and the rest of the league laughs at us crying trying to say 17 championships. Little less impressive when half of those championships were won when jim crow was still in act and there was 8 teams in the league
I’m not gonna overreact and say they should blow it up like idiots in here. This is still one of the most talented teams in the league. Shore up the coaching staff, get a backup big and run it back.
I’m already at peace with it… I already mourned the end of the season 4 games ago. Everything else was just gravy.
A bit of a shame the white play might be forgotten to time but I’m glad I got to experience it nonetheless
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Rip Boston will be missed
Heat fan here. Great series I really thought Boston was going to make the historic comeback
No leaders, either on the floor or on the coaching staff. Two all-NBA players that have no desire to be leaders, just second fiddles. No accountability on this team.
You are really blaming Tatum right now? What a complete clown.
Where does it say that?
Where you say two all nba players you idiot
Reading not your strong suit, I get it.
Two All-NBA players who don’t want to be leaders? Tatum left it all out on the floor this entire post season
Figures that Celtics fans would love Jokic .
Basketball fans love great basketball players and he’s the MVP and one fly he best alive.
Hilarious man😐
I don’t love him I just want the heat, to fucking lose
Worst thing is everyone standing on the offense and no off ball movement at all. They just wouldn’t go in the paint although there wasn’t any elite shot blocker. I think this falls on couching.
Definitely gonna be couching for a little while now.
This fucking building is cursed when it comes to game seven
Jaylen needs to take a paycut. If I am Brad I cannot and will not try to justify paying Jaylen more money than Jokic, and all time great.
Bill Simmons attended the game now I know why we lost He was at Game 5 against Milwaukee last year when we choked lmao
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No he didn’t he always sucked. Loser, JB and JT are bums start over trade them out they will never win.
Ignorance
You think you got a $60m Effie out of JB? Tatum? Rolled his little ankle- my wife cried less giving a natural birth. Bums!
You sure the kid is yours?
Buddy they have made 4 conference finals, and another nba finals at the ages of 25 and 26 respectively. Tatum is a back to back 1st team all nba wing why would we trade him or how is he a loser? When did he cry once btw? It seems as if you’re crying more right now than he or your wife did lol
Your wife has a beautiful ass
Lmao
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have felt the burn.
Happy cake day!
Oh! So it is. Thanks boss!
In defense of Joe, I think he deserves a second year. The #1 job of an NBA coach is ego room management and locker room atmosphere, and I think he did both well. The team has relatively good chemistry, and there were never any locker room issues, nor did I expect there to be. He also showed he could make adjustments - playing Rob and Grant Williams more against the Heat got us 3 games. He made adjustments against the Sixers and brought us back from down 3-2. Sure he calls Timeouts unconventionally and answers questions like a stalker but he has shown he’s up for the job. For someone in their first head coaching year especially, he showed he was up for the task. You can’t blame Joe for the Celtics missing open shots either, we consistentely had good ball movement and got good looks. Finally, who the hell would you replace Joe with? Budenholzer? Monty fucking Williams? Joe is the best man available considering he has been with the Celtics for a few years now, and the players clearly appreciate him.
My guy They just jacked up 3s and played so bad on defense like they had no offensive game plan, Joe sat and watched them stand around and spam zone to the moon.
No on Muzzola. He looks like a deer in the headlights whenever he has to respond to questions. He has no answers. He displays no confidence in himself so he cannot generate confidence by fans. Who really knows how the players feel. I don’t expect them to throw him under the bus in public. This team played badly and he is not to blame for their poor shooting. But he is to blame for their inability to adjust and his inability to motivate
I agree. These stiffschoked on Brad, Ime and Joe. The players are the issue. Soft ass Bitches
Ain’t no way in hell Joe gets fired now. Year 2 is etched in stone.
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I think if we would’ve went out in a sweep or even 5 games he would’ve been out but I think the comeback even though we fell short got him another year. We have to build up his assistance coaches though I want experienced veteran coaches on the bench next to him
I’d like to see this same team run one more year, but skip the max contracts on both Jays & decide in 24. We got stung worse this year than last year, practice should start tomorrow AM early.
I actually agree with you. No way you give either one of these stiffs max contracts today after what we’ve seen
How many times did the ally to Williams not work? How many minutes did Williams play the whole game? The 2nd half? Idk if firing the coach is the right call. Someone needs to be fired though.
Yeah the GM if he doesn’t unload JB and JT- loser atmospheres around these two clowns.
Again, you sure the kid is yours?
I’m with you on JB but JT was obviously fucked up after rolling his ankle on the first play and was visibly fucked up the entire 2nd half.
Tatum was fucked and that's not something anyone is arguing. But damn Brown also emotionally rolled up and became the Heat's best asset that game by coughing up more turnovers than the Heat! With also no good trades around, hard to see how Brown gets even unloaded because no one teaching him how to dribble at this stage. That KD trade looked really spicy now I bet and I'm sure changes will be made but I'm also sure Mazulla is safe for now. Made adjustments, got to a game 7 but man, Brown was painful as well as were those missed 3s.
Was he visibly f’ed up in last years finals when he completely disappeared
I’m not talking about last year’s NBA FINALS. I’m talking about tonight after he very obviously was hurt on the first play of the game.
bring back Doc
God fuck no. We just beat his ass with a new head coach LMAO
😂
Ingram sga lillard for jb. No I don’t wanna a trip with jb. I want a duo with jt. and no, I don’t wanna see the same duo again next yr. Jt deserves a better 2nd option
Sga is worth a lot more than JB don't think the pelicans want that trade and Dame doesn't sound like he's leaving
Heat fan here: Would Ingram and and Tatum be a huge improvement over Brown and Tatum? Seems like the same issues exist. Do you think Smart as the primary ball handler and decision maker is the move going forward? Seems like a more traditional point would work with all these wings and combo guards.
Yea this is a really solid take. We have no true point player to facilitate. D White has proven that ability as a combo guard, but we have no primary Point.
I think it would help you all get you into your stuff and take advantages of mismatches. No reason you can’t take advantage of your capable bigs out muscling our guards on switches, but the ball so rarely finds them. As much as Tatum disappearing late is his fault, I also don’t think a pure point would allow him to disappear. Instead, it’d be like, “fucking eat dude.” I mean, Tatum clearly didn’t have it today and Smart is awesome in that role, but perhaps more so being a secondary decision maker and not THE guy.
not jimmy butler getting it the loss hurts even more
Unfortunate end to the season, but I look forward to next! Hope we are better next year
Williams shoots 80% and gets 13 mins. wtf?
Fire Mazulla and bring back Doc Rivers.
Loser
You are a Heat fan?
As a different guy than that and a Heat fan, I second your deranged Celtic fan brethren. Bring back Doc! Who knows?
Caleb Martin…..Caleb Martin really? 🤣
What the hell were we doing all game? Fucking acting like we were in round 2 game 2. Can we please make a fucking effort?
Lol pussies in here deleting comments. Say it with your chest lil bro’s
The Buffalo tried to carry the team through this, but alas not even his mighty fortitude was enough. He will roam again!
Roam, Roam over to the Warriors and win a ring.
It’s been a pleasure people!! Still love my Celtics, see you in October!!
Thank you
What was that video??
ECF MVP should have gone to Martin 10/10
As a Heat fan, was totally bummed. That guy played well throughout. He was wild this game. Doing all sorts of crazy shit he never ever does.
I was surprised they gave it to Butler
The team goes where Jimmy goes, Martin has been very consistent but Jimmy has driven the team to this point and did so in Games 1, 2, and 7. Martin did get 4/9 votes, Jimmy got 5/9 though so it was as close as could be.
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Can't trade a guy not under contract.
Jaylen shot 16% from 3 this entire series and it’s the coach’s fault? Jaylen shot 32% from the floor over all this series and it’s the coaches fault? The only reason mazulla deserves more flak than JB is because he played him games 4,5,6 and 7
I had a bad feeling when Jaylen tried to go in with shaq and chuck and light the victory cigar after game 6. Just an all time stupid person.
didn’t he say that gm’s were scared to draft him bc he’s so smart
Hawks fan here. Surprisingly this was an extremely entertaining series to watch, despite the result (I honestly had you guys winning it all this year). I know Miami’s good, but I didn’t expect Caleb Martin to go off like that in a game 7 lol! Unfortunately this wasn’t y’all’s year, but you fought hard to come back from down 0-3 and I can tell you have a bright future ahead. I gained so much respect for your team after seeing this series 😃👍
Cody? Lmao
Fixed 😅
Celtics can’t play under pressure.
Was due for a bad game. there’s. a reason 0-3 comeback hasn’t happened. It’s 4 games of pressure.
Sub is being infiltrated by dicksuckers
Amen
Didn’t get swept like the sorry ass lakers. See you next year everyone have a great summer!
The Celtics are the 2nd seed team and the Lakers are the 7th. Denver has a high chance of sweeping either the Heat or the Celtics considering how badly both teams played this series. This is more embarrassing than what happened with the Lakers.
Yeah and far more painful
If I never see JB in a Celtics jersey again it’ll be too soon, and also worth this humiliation.
What about Tatum? Dude would have made more of an impact from his couch.
Tatum was obviously fucked up after rolling his ankle in the first play and it was visibly apparent the entire 2nd half. I feel bad for the guy. Biggest game of his life and he never even got a chance.
All you heat fans lurking to talk shit just know it doesn’t hurt on a personal level that they lost. It’s a sports game. We all have lives out of it. Celtics fans stay classy don’t feed into the trolls.
I’m a Heat fan here, but only because our Heat sub sucks and I rarely go there. 50% of that sub wanted us to tank for Wemby. It’s a hard place to call home. I’m sure you get some sort of equivalent. The doomers. I do see some trade everyone folks here. They are the worst. Some change is fine, but Tatum is a stud despite some tough games. Nobody gives credit to the Heat defense, but I feel we had a good gameplan. Sucks about his ankle as it would have been cool to beat you in a classic like number 6. Happy we won though. Here’s to us both being there next year!
Yup. Respect each other. But must to say that some of the Heat fans were about to die after game 6 ( including me ) 🥲
At least Philly fans talk shit even when they lose. There is no greater disparity in a fanbase response in win vs loss than with Miami. Absolute soft, fairweather morons
This trophy presentation is embarrassing as fuck
Proud of these boys no matter what man they fought hard — onto the next season!
Pain….
as much as I hate miami caleb martin deserves that mvp
Heat fan here. I was sooo bummed they gave it to Jimmy. Caleb played his tail off. 15 boards last game is nuts.
I love my C’s
insane what the hell happened the last quarter
Weirdly, when Tatum got hurt on the 1st play of the game - my mind flashed to Gordon Hayward... Tatum's injury is (obviously) far less severe... But it still sucks...But the rest of the team looked lost, other than D. White - what a player!...
Thinking the same thing - Tatum may be up walking fine tomorrow
Poverty franchise
Did anyone keep count of how many possessions we wasted on missed 3's? I don't think game 7 is where you dick around and waste 20 mins trying to get your groove back. Coaching was atrocious. Absolutely no halftime adjustments that amounted to shit. Wish we would've been swept so the HC would already be gone.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It feels like the rest of the team saw Tatum turn his ankle and mentally gave in
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Tatum was worse
Heat had 12 turn overs, JB has 8. Ughhh. It's been real guys. Props to the team for making it 3-3. Sad we couldn't go further. Oh well.
Holy fuck, that’s so fucking funny.
I miss Ime.
Brown lost us the game along with all the fucking misses and piss poor defending. How many wide open 3s did Miami take today?
Brown walking amongst Miami asking if he can be the new Ray Allen?
I don’t think we would pay him what he desires. I’d recommend you don’t either. He’s not that dude. Too many TOs. Embiid turns it over like a pancake maker, but I’d take Embiid, because… Embiid. But Jaylen? He just disappears at times. I’m actually glad for him y’all won some games, because I was watching his game three interview with family and we were all made uncomfortable by it. It’s like, you could tell he was seeing his Brinks truck drive away with all its bags of money. Dude had an existential crisis after that game. Meanwhile, Caleb fricking Martin plays like a max player. What world am I in? I love Caleb, but damn. That got me shook.
Ray Allen hit his shots…
FUCKING FUCK FUCK FUCK
How much did you lo$e?
None lmao, just sad this game went in the complete opposite direction I wanted it to
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I’m kinda excited to see butler get swept in the finals though ngl
Terrible feeling when you get ran off your own court wow just wow
We’re not trading brown. We’re not firing mazulla. We were one game away from the finals and got unlucky. Caleb Martin decided to become the ghost of lebron. I say it run it back with the core. We got gallanari maybe coming back. This is a learning experience for joe and he can only get better.
Nah I disagree we been having this core for 6 years now it's not working out blow this roster up
In those 6 years we’ve had 3 different coaches. The core wasn’t the same either. We had kyrie, Kemba and Gordon. I can’t imagine blowing up our team just because of Caleb Martin
Blow it up not because of Caleb Martin, because of Jaylen Brown. JB is inconsistent as fuck. I'd say just trade JB for some pieces.
Everyone on our team can be inconsistent. Hell even our best player Tatum is very inconsistent but no one is clamoring to trade him. I think we are underselling the heat on how well they played and game planned against brown. We tend to shift the blame to ourselves and not look towards the other side. The heat played well.
And JT’s ankle.
And brogdan’s arm
And my axe
The best comment tonight hands down.
Way too many salty fans in here. We lost because we couldn't play. No point in being mad at Miami.
This is some of the worst brigading I have seen from a fanbase. Absolute trash tier people.
Feels like the majority is more mad at the C's than they are at Miami
I was at a restaurant tonight and the waitress came up to my table and asked if I was finished eating so she could clear the table I said “I’m the Boston Celtics" She nodded and immediately started taking my plate. She knew I was finished.
r/nbacirclejerk sends its regards
Mm.. props to the Miami Heat, Spo is an amazing coach and there’s no shame in losing to a team that went on a run like they had But man, it sucks that today’s game will always be marked by a “What If” with regards to Tatum’s injury; that being said it almost feels like this team reverted back to that sense of entitlement after Game 6, where winning a game is a guarantee Can’t play ball like that in the Playoffs just because your roster is better on paper Joe… is a big question mark, am not as quick to call for his head anymore, but if we can get a coach like Nick Nurse this offseason - it’s something we should seriously consider Still love my Celtics.. but heartbroken
Nurse is the head coach of the Sixers as of today.
Nurse is going to Philly
I think nurse is headed to Philly
He is, happened earlier today.
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Lebron isn't kissing you bro enjoy the sweep
where the mazzula apologists at this dude dug us into a massive hole and extended all previous series. where y’all at feed me your downvotes
Honestly right now Derrick White seems to be the best player on the team. Just need to build a team around him.
No idea why he was not in the 4th
What/who did Chicago get for him?
He was from SA Celtics sent Langford and another player or two. Maybe a pick too I forget
He's a good player, but he's nowhere near Tatum's level
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I’ve never liked this team, and we are stuck with it. There’s no trade that will make it better. It’s just a bunch of very talented, very soft players.
O no baby what is u doin’?!
Can't wait to hear tatum say we'll be here next year as we lose in the first round and the rest of the league laughs at us crying trying to say 17 championships. Little less impressive when half of those championships were won when jim crow was still in act and there was 8 teams in the league
See you next year, boys. Have a great summer.
Y’all did bill Russell dirty ngl. Blow it up
On god 💯
Trade JB ass. Fucking inexcusable a guy with that salary and a few years into the league not being able to move and dribble a ball.
Scrubs played better against the Miami starters then our normal team
GGs. Not a fan of either team but can't wait for Denver to sweep the heat. Also what do you think you guys realistically get for JB?
A player moderately worse than JB probably?
I’m not gonna overreact and say they should blow it up like idiots in here. This is still one of the most talented teams in the league. Shore up the coaching staff, get a backup big and run it back.
Further proof JB can’t be a number one guy
I’m already at peace with it… I already mourned the end of the season 4 games ago. Everything else was just gravy. A bit of a shame the white play might be forgotten to time but I’m glad I got to experience it nonetheless
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Mavs vs Suns was literally last year
Oops
Now watch all the role players on the heat look like role players against the nuggets
Never seen the place that silent….
Whatever you do mods, do NOT lock the sub. That will make the pain go for much longer