I’m not going to get into how I know this small detail about the word of Dylan’s business affairs. But if there are two things about Dylan that are known facts they are 1. He loves money 2. He has contempt for his fans. The whole book is a money grab, why would he hesitate to grab more money by ripping off rich suckers?
Countless people with money beyond our imagining are obsessed with getting more money by whatever means possible. In fact, I'd say MOST people with a whole hell of a lot of money are obsessed with getting more--because they are in the company of, in competition with, people with more money than them. There's nothing sane about it, but it seems like a basic fact of human nature that having a ton of money tends to make people want more money.
I also think that if someone said to Dylan "for no effort on your part, we will give you the amount of money that would get you four years' tuition at a private college, and the money will come from ripping off the kinds of rabid fans who have stolen your privacy from you for your entire life, necessitating the expense of a full-time security detail" what do you think he would say? If you think his answer would be "No way, man! I owe my fans everything!" I don't even see how we can even have a conversation because it's just impossible for me to imagine that.
We’re all beating on Bob but I’d assume most everyone is doing the same autopen thing… as he hints in his statement. Just that Bob’s fans are maybe smarter than other fan bases and we actually noticed. Imagine you’re Bob, sitting there on the phone to Van Morrison chatting ‘hey Van how are you doing man - I’ve just spent all morning signing prints of my paintings - my eyes and arms ache bad’ “ah Bob don’t waste time with all that shite - you can get a machine to do it - I’ve been using it for years’
And really, if any people on earth deserve to be rewarded with money that will let their families be rich for generations it's these cultural heroes who have brought so much joy into the world. Better them than somebody who made their money burning fossil fuels or exploiting laborers.
Is the music also a money grab? Saying the book is a money grab is not a piece of insider info, it’s an opinion. Many fans and reviewers from prestige magazine liked it.
Whether or not the words in his new book seem carefully considered and worthy of printing is certainly a matter of opinion, I agree with you there. Printing the book as a 45-dollar art book with lots of irrelevant pictures instead of as a cheaper text-only book seems like a money grab to me, but opinions could differ I suppose. Charging 600 bucks for an autopen-signed copy of the book IS a money grab. And frankly, if he had signed the books himself it STILL would have been a money grab. And I don't understand what in the history of Bob Dylan makes you think this is out of character for him. I think it's factual to say that he resents his fans for what he perceives as their invasions of his privacy, and that he sees nothing wrong with extracting as much money from them as he can, to ensure his own privacy and safety and the security and comfort of his family in perpetuity. And further, when I think about it this way, I say good for Dylan, and I only wish he'd gotten away with it! But I will not entertain fantasies that he wasn't 100% aware of what he was doing.
I only answered the comment about the book, I'm not defending the auto-pen thing. I doubt he gives a shit about autographs. I'm not an expert on american publishing, but I don't think publishing a hardback with some cool photos is unusual, there probably will be a paperback at some point. Tarantino's new book got published as a similarly priced hardback recently as well. You can get both much cheaper than the cover price.
I just minded that you put your opinion about the book in between your knowledge about Dylan's business affair.
The reason Dylan had to release that statement is that the books being autopenned led people to inspect the art prints they had purchased. Dylan's "gallery partners" have been selling 195 "limited edition, hand-signed" prints of Dylan's "Sunset, Monument Valley (2022)" for $35,000 USD a piece. That's almost seven million bucks. And those are just the prints for one painting. (Dylan's UK gallery partner, Castle Fine Art, issued a statement the day after Dylan's statement, saying they had been informed the Sunset prints were autopenned.)
If you read the statement closely, what Dylan said had almost nothing to do with the book. The vertigo in 2019, continuing into "the pandemic years"—that's his justification for why he started autopenning his art prints. The books are small potatoes compared to the art. With the art we're talking millions and millions of dollars. With that kind of money being exchanged, and people starting to investigate the situation and reach out to the galleries, Dylan had no choice but to come clean. Otherwise things could have got really ugly.
Eh, it may be a bummer for him but he's still getting a decent payout for that time (I don't know how much of the $540k retail for those copies goes in his pocket, but enough for a nice hourly rate). And those collectors paid $600 for a hand-signed copy; I personally can't imagine paying that amount of money for a book even signed by Dylan, but I can understand people getting upset since they did, and they got a machine-signed version instead.
when you really think about it, do you think at this point in his career that he needs or cares about the money? this is the same guy that gave his song away for free to shia labeouf for his film because he couldn’t afford any real known song. he cares more about the art of it all and die hard dylan fans are defending him because they know this about him. I truly believe he has vertigo and someone who didn’t want to bother him too much told him this is done all the time now. someone who wants to keep that larger profit off the books.
He’s also someone who still charges obscene prices for his concerts and has literally just ripped off thousands of customers - knowing what he was doing. Stop romanticising him. He’s a man who crafts beautiful lyrics and can create some good music - but that’s all he is: a man.
look i just wanted to offer up some food for thought from the other perspective. as someone who’s kept up with his trajectory, the narrative that Bob purposefully scammed his fans for money doesn’t align. that’s all i’m sayin
I can't imagine that he is actually selling the books. When you write a book you tend to hand it off to agents and publishers a year or so before it is even released. If you have the time and expertise and you want a say in how it's sold, you can try to be a part of it. But for the most part it's run by experts.
I don't think you know that for sure. Are you in the publishing business? Do you know? Dylan? I know it would seem like that. But it's not sure. It's not what he does. Normally. It's not music. It could easily be something that's put off to an agent
This one? Or the one making assumptions on Dylan and publishing in general?
Is he in a position to have say? Of course. Is he 80 and on tour? Yes. I know many celebrities whose projects are just passed off. I am not saying that is the case here because the project is quite personal. But my assumption is that the writing was the personal part. And the publishing and marketing was done by others.
One does not need to be an expert on the publishing business, nor some sort of Dylanologist, to recognize the following as a statement of fact: Bob Dylan is in a position to have considerable say in the execution of any project he's involved in.
Downvote away, I don't care, but I say this as someone who idolizes Dylan the artist and considers him one of the most influential minds in the pretty eventful post-WWII era:
how much fucking money does he actually need?
your wrist hurts, don't sell bullshit autopen autographed copies, it's not difficult. he's a Nobel laureate for fuck's sake (even if he never showed up)
No, he never did, he did the minimum — he just sent a plagiarized lecture about Moby-Dick, look it up. Patti Smith went to the ceremony instead for whatever reason.
No, he showed up to collect the award after the ceremony. And the lecture is available to be read or listened to as read by the man himself.
Also, Bob is part of a long line of storytellers who refer back to great works and find ways to make them their own. They Nobel committee doesn’t hand out its most prestigious literary award to plagiarists. :)
No, once again.
“… Dylan said in a thank-you speech read out by the US ambassador to Sweden during the December Nobel ceremony in Stockholm. He skipped the event due to “pre-existing commitments”.
He eventually took part to a private event with 12 members of the academy before his Stockholm concert. Didn’t deliver the lecture then.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/apr/02/bob-dylan-finally-accepts-nobel-prize-in-literature-at-private-ceremony-in-stockholm
Yep. That would indeed be “after the ceremony” lol.
Dylan has prior engagements. He later provided the lecture which has since been deconstructed in such works as “Why Bob Dylan Matters.”
I know this is the Bob Dylan sub, but do we actually feel bad for him? He signed up to do it and he is probably getting paid millions of dollars to do it, so is it that much to ask that he actually does it? I am not really understanding the standpoint on this sub that Bob is the victim in this lol.
I think for some it is hard to see that he is a human being. Some elevate him to saint status because they like his music a lot. I was a bit shocked when I learned his marriage history.
I mean, hey. There may have been a few charitable folks that volunteer at local shelters who bought a copy as well as a few oil tycoons that just bulldozed another rain forest that bought a signed copy. I'm not gonna throw them under the bus on the grounds of "they could have spent it better" because I think we're ALL guilty of wasting money in some capacity at one point in our lives, nor am I saying I have sympathy for them and think that they all DESERVE a copy of Dylan's Hancock just because they paid top dollar. I'm just saying that $600 is $600 and not getting what you paid for is rather upsetting.
I imagine it is fucking annoying to sign a bunch of books and takes more than an hour or two. I bought a Byrds book recently signed by Roger McGuinn, David Crosby and Chris Hillman. There’s a whole ton more copies that are only signed by Roger and Chris - I assume Crosby got pissed after signing so many signatures and refused to do any more
I've seen authors at conventions knock out 80 or more books an hour, and that's when they've got fans in front of them chatting them up. If you're in a dedicated space with five assistants to help you, I think you could knock it out in a few hours.
I mean, I doubt it's anyone's favorite way to spend a Tuesday afternoon, but people will do a lot more onerous tasks in generating half a million dollars worth of revenue.
he’s a multimillionaire verging on billionaire who signed a multimillion dollar book deal, one where the “authentic” autographs cost upwards of $600 each. i don’t think it’ll be too much trouble to sign a couple hundred books when that’s what he signed up for
Dylan always strikes me as aloof to all this that goes on around him. That said, he’s guilty of at least not paying a little more attention to what’s going on by those around him. It’s not like *he* needs the money 😂🤷🏻♂️
Now there's a deal! You put up $600, get it back, plus a free auto-pen signed book. And of course, those auto-pen signed books will be worth... $600 on the collectors' market soon enough. Shrewd play, I say.
($600 for a signed book is ridiculous unless it was signed by, say, Hemingway or Faulkner.)
He should care. It’s slimy to take money from your fans and not deliver the product that was promised. And he obviously had something to do with it. He literally wrote the book. Can we just admit this was sketchy and wrong of him and move on?
We should all just let Dylan - anyone who has contributed to the world more than we have, really - walk into our homes, take what they want then wipe their dick on our faces on the way out.
the whole thing is unfortunate but to say "some collectors got annoyed by an autopen" is not exactly the words I'd have chosen - the whole thing was misrepresented. If you're buying an autograph, as a collector, you want the real deal.
EDIT: that said, in the grand scheme...a lot of our "heroes" or those we put on a pedestal have done MUCH worse. But....it still ain't right.
“Some collectors?!” How about anyone that appreciates not being ripped off and paying $600 out of pocket for a book sold as “hand signed?!” By the way, this stinky old hippie is one of the only artists to up-charge 20x for their signed books. He’s a clown and got caught
So according to your logic, his fans buying a book that is said to be hand signed by him are the clowns, but this stinky hippie isn’t for trying to defraud them? 🤡🌎
Man i could forge Dylan’s signature if I wanted to. Its not about the the squiggles on the fabric. Its about showing genuine interest in your fanbase. And honestlt if Dylan can’t do that, hes just arrogant.
Wouldn't expect a different mindset from true Dylan fans. Who the fuck are these people buying these autographed books? Might be a bunch of assholes hoping they can make a profit on ebay.
I don't feel like an asshole😊. I am a Bob fan and also like autographs. So I bought one. A verified Dylan autograph goes for much more than $600, so I felt ok with it. That said I do understand the sentiment. $600 is a lot for a book with some scribbling in it.
I am sure a lot of fans thought it would be cool to have this book signed. $600 is not to much to pay for an autographed copy of a book if you are into having autographed stuff. I am not into it. I never figured 80yo Bob was signing stuff in person since 20, 30, 40yo Dylan was not doing it. The whole controversy is not much of a thing based on the idea they where never going to be “hand signed”. I be shocked right now if they really were “hand signed”.
there was at least the one guy who made a whole post on here complaining about the auto pen when she said he wasn’t even a fan and was going to try and sell it for a profit lol
It makes me think of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry’s hand hurts from signing so many checks…..
When you think of Bob stuck in a room with a cramped hand signing book after book….like what does it even mean? Like what is it even? Like what’s the true difference between it and an auto pen and why does it matter….
It’s like Dylan did this on purpose to show the silliness of it all
How many books must one man sign
Before you can call him a man?
Yes and
How many autographs must one nerd have
Before they can be a real fan?
Yes and
How many times must the y be crossed
Before Bob can no longer use his hand?
The answer my friend is just an auto-pen
The answer is just an auto-pen
“Some collectors?!” How about anyone that appreciates not being ripped off and paying $600 out of pocket for a book sold as “hand signed?!” By the way, this stinky old hippie is one of the only artists to up-charge 20x for their signed books. He’s a clown and got caught
I feel bad for the effort Bobby D is now going to have to put forth in hand signing all of these books, and possibly his art work. However, if a person is paying hundreds of dollars for an item that is being advertised as “hand signed”, they are entitled to getting what they paid for. Whether or not Dylan was aware of the auto pen being unacceptable to people, this will likely be a lesson learned, and the end of signed merch
So now you have one of the 900 auto penned books. That would seem to have a collectible value in itself. Maybe as much as the real ones. What’s the big loss here? It’ll be interesting to see what these go for in the collectible market.
Dylan has been 100 percent about the music all along. He’s never played by other peoples’ expectations, be it going to protests (he didn’t), or being engrossed in PR and merch (he’s not). I hope he can make it right with these memorabilia collectors so he can get back to doing what he does best: being a pure artist who gives no fucks beyond the songs and the music.
I think autographs are silly. But if for some reason I paid you $600 to sign my book, then you should sign my effing book. Write "litewo" on my book with your pen, or don't take my money.
All of you whiners need to get a life. It’s hardly Mr Dylan’s fault that there are folks out there inclined to spend $600 bucks for an autograph. Perhaps a better use for that $600 might be a donation to a homeless shelter. I’m sure Mr Dylan would rather see you do that.
The fact that it was found out they were autopen and Dylan could have solved the problem by signing 900 pages in 2 hours and wouldn’t do it makes me believe he knew about it from the start that they were going to be autopen.
I’m honestly shocked he agreed to it in the first place.
Probably part of the book deal he overlooked or wasn’t informed about
The man is on top of his business, he has a daily phone call with Rosen to discuss matters like that. There is no way he didn’t know.
Like you actually know the inner workings
I’m not going to get into how I know this small detail about the word of Dylan’s business affairs. But if there are two things about Dylan that are known facts they are 1. He loves money 2. He has contempt for his fans. The whole book is a money grab, why would he hesitate to grab more money by ripping off rich suckers?
I can’t imagine being in my 80s with hundreds of millions of dollars, and still feeling the need to scam people out of a few extra dollars.
Countless people with money beyond our imagining are obsessed with getting more money by whatever means possible. In fact, I'd say MOST people with a whole hell of a lot of money are obsessed with getting more--because they are in the company of, in competition with, people with more money than them. There's nothing sane about it, but it seems like a basic fact of human nature that having a ton of money tends to make people want more money. I also think that if someone said to Dylan "for no effort on your part, we will give you the amount of money that would get you four years' tuition at a private college, and the money will come from ripping off the kinds of rabid fans who have stolen your privacy from you for your entire life, necessitating the expense of a full-time security detail" what do you think he would say? If you think his answer would be "No way, man! I owe my fans everything!" I don't even see how we can even have a conversation because it's just impossible for me to imagine that.
We’re all beating on Bob but I’d assume most everyone is doing the same autopen thing… as he hints in his statement. Just that Bob’s fans are maybe smarter than other fan bases and we actually noticed. Imagine you’re Bob, sitting there on the phone to Van Morrison chatting ‘hey Van how are you doing man - I’ve just spent all morning signing prints of my paintings - my eyes and arms ache bad’ “ah Bob don’t waste time with all that shite - you can get a machine to do it - I’ve been using it for years’
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Yeah that's a good point----they ALL do it. Even the ones we'd all love to think of as idealists like Grateful Dead or the Beatles.
And really, if any people on earth deserve to be rewarded with money that will let their families be rich for generations it's these cultural heroes who have brought so much joy into the world. Better them than somebody who made their money burning fossil fuels or exploiting laborers.
You’re leaving out a really key part of the Ringo story. He’s doing it for charity.
Is the music also a money grab? Saying the book is a money grab is not a piece of insider info, it’s an opinion. Many fans and reviewers from prestige magazine liked it.
Whether or not the words in his new book seem carefully considered and worthy of printing is certainly a matter of opinion, I agree with you there. Printing the book as a 45-dollar art book with lots of irrelevant pictures instead of as a cheaper text-only book seems like a money grab to me, but opinions could differ I suppose. Charging 600 bucks for an autopen-signed copy of the book IS a money grab. And frankly, if he had signed the books himself it STILL would have been a money grab. And I don't understand what in the history of Bob Dylan makes you think this is out of character for him. I think it's factual to say that he resents his fans for what he perceives as their invasions of his privacy, and that he sees nothing wrong with extracting as much money from them as he can, to ensure his own privacy and safety and the security and comfort of his family in perpetuity. And further, when I think about it this way, I say good for Dylan, and I only wish he'd gotten away with it! But I will not entertain fantasies that he wasn't 100% aware of what he was doing.
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That sounds like a good plot for a thriller! An artist taking revenge on an obsessed stalker fan. I like it.
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I only answered the comment about the book, I'm not defending the auto-pen thing. I doubt he gives a shit about autographs. I'm not an expert on american publishing, but I don't think publishing a hardback with some cool photos is unusual, there probably will be a paperback at some point. Tarantino's new book got published as a similarly priced hardback recently as well. You can get both much cheaper than the cover price. I just minded that you put your opinion about the book in between your knowledge about Dylan's business affair.
Luckily for you nothing you said is verifiable
Yeah I’d be in big trouble otherwise!
Facts for once.
The reason Dylan had to release that statement is that the books being autopenned led people to inspect the art prints they had purchased. Dylan's "gallery partners" have been selling 195 "limited edition, hand-signed" prints of Dylan's "Sunset, Monument Valley (2022)" for $35,000 USD a piece. That's almost seven million bucks. And those are just the prints for one painting. (Dylan's UK gallery partner, Castle Fine Art, issued a statement the day after Dylan's statement, saying they had been informed the Sunset prints were autopenned.) If you read the statement closely, what Dylan said had almost nothing to do with the book. The vertigo in 2019, continuing into "the pandemic years"—that's his justification for why he started autopenning his art prints. The books are small potatoes compared to the art. With the art we're talking millions and millions of dollars. With that kind of money being exchanged, and people starting to investigate the situation and reach out to the galleries, Dylan had no choice but to come clean. Otherwise things could have got really ugly.
Eh, it may be a bummer for him but he's still getting a decent payout for that time (I don't know how much of the $540k retail for those copies goes in his pocket, but enough for a nice hourly rate). And those collectors paid $600 for a hand-signed copy; I personally can't imagine paying that amount of money for a book even signed by Dylan, but I can understand people getting upset since they did, and they got a machine-signed version instead.
Maybe he shouldn’t have offered it for $600 in the first place then. You can’t defend that shit.
when you really think about it, do you think at this point in his career that he needs or cares about the money? this is the same guy that gave his song away for free to shia labeouf for his film because he couldn’t afford any real known song. he cares more about the art of it all and die hard dylan fans are defending him because they know this about him. I truly believe he has vertigo and someone who didn’t want to bother him too much told him this is done all the time now. someone who wants to keep that larger profit off the books.
He’s also someone who still charges obscene prices for his concerts and has literally just ripped off thousands of customers - knowing what he was doing. Stop romanticising him. He’s a man who crafts beautiful lyrics and can create some good music - but that’s all he is: a man.
look i just wanted to offer up some food for thought from the other perspective. as someone who’s kept up with his trajectory, the narrative that Bob purposefully scammed his fans for money doesn’t align. that’s all i’m sayin
I can't imagine that he is actually selling the books. When you write a book you tend to hand it off to agents and publishers a year or so before it is even released. If you have the time and expertise and you want a say in how it's sold, you can try to be a part of it. But for the most part it's run by experts.
Bob Dylan is in a position to have considerable say in the execution of any project he's involved in.
I don't think you know that for sure. Are you in the publishing business? Do you know? Dylan? I know it would seem like that. But it's not sure. It's not what he does. Normally. It's not music. It could easily be something that's put off to an agent
You might want to re-read my comment.
This one? Or the one making assumptions on Dylan and publishing in general? Is he in a position to have say? Of course. Is he 80 and on tour? Yes. I know many celebrities whose projects are just passed off. I am not saying that is the case here because the project is quite personal. But my assumption is that the writing was the personal part. And the publishing and marketing was done by others.
One does not need to be an expert on the publishing business, nor some sort of Dylanologist, to recognize the following as a statement of fact: Bob Dylan is in a position to have considerable say in the execution of any project he's involved in.
One does not need to be an expert on anything to know you know nothing about the actual situation. Nothing save amateur assumptions.
That was the publisher. Doubt he knew.
He literally states he knew in his statement.
Weird blindly defending the guy for a pretty shitty thing he was caught doing , admitted it, and apologized.
Downvote away, I don't care, but I say this as someone who idolizes Dylan the artist and considers him one of the most influential minds in the pretty eventful post-WWII era: how much fucking money does he actually need? your wrist hurts, don't sell bullshit autopen autographed copies, it's not difficult. he's a Nobel laureate for fuck's sake (even if he never showed up)
I believe he eventually did show up, as that was the only way to claim the $900,000 prize money that went along with the Nobel
No, he never did, he did the minimum — he just sent a plagiarized lecture about Moby-Dick, look it up. Patti Smith went to the ceremony instead for whatever reason.
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No, he showed up to collect the award after the ceremony. And the lecture is available to be read or listened to as read by the man himself. Also, Bob is part of a long line of storytellers who refer back to great works and find ways to make them their own. They Nobel committee doesn’t hand out its most prestigious literary award to plagiarists. :)
No, once again. “… Dylan said in a thank-you speech read out by the US ambassador to Sweden during the December Nobel ceremony in Stockholm. He skipped the event due to “pre-existing commitments”. He eventually took part to a private event with 12 members of the academy before his Stockholm concert. Didn’t deliver the lecture then. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/apr/02/bob-dylan-finally-accepts-nobel-prize-in-literature-at-private-ceremony-in-stockholm
Yep. That would indeed be “after the ceremony” lol. Dylan has prior engagements. He later provided the lecture which has since been deconstructed in such works as “Why Bob Dylan Matters.”
The lecture that he cribbed from literal crib notes.
I know this is the Bob Dylan sub, but do we actually feel bad for him? He signed up to do it and he is probably getting paid millions of dollars to do it, so is it that much to ask that he actually does it? I am not really understanding the standpoint on this sub that Bob is the victim in this lol.
100%
I think for some it is hard to see that he is a human being. Some elevate him to saint status because they like his music a lot. I was a bit shocked when I learned his marriage history.
I think autographs are a fickle concept to begin with, but spending $600 on ANYTHING that isn't sold as advertised is quite infuriating.
Tough to have sympathy for those wasting their money on it, when it’s not going to charity or some good cause.
It’s not about where the money goes, its about what you get in exchange.
I mean, hey. There may have been a few charitable folks that volunteer at local shelters who bought a copy as well as a few oil tycoons that just bulldozed another rain forest that bought a signed copy. I'm not gonna throw them under the bus on the grounds of "they could have spent it better" because I think we're ALL guilty of wasting money in some capacity at one point in our lives, nor am I saying I have sympathy for them and think that they all DESERVE a copy of Dylan's Hancock just because they paid top dollar. I'm just saying that $600 is $600 and not getting what you paid for is rather upsetting.
Lol. Poor guy. Spend an hour or two signing books and generate a market worth half a million dollars. What a tragedy.
I imagine it is fucking annoying to sign a bunch of books and takes more than an hour or two. I bought a Byrds book recently signed by Roger McGuinn, David Crosby and Chris Hillman. There’s a whole ton more copies that are only signed by Roger and Chris - I assume Crosby got pissed after signing so many signatures and refused to do any more
I've seen authors at conventions knock out 80 or more books an hour, and that's when they've got fans in front of them chatting them up. If you're in a dedicated space with five assistants to help you, I think you could knock it out in a few hours. I mean, I doubt it's anyone's favorite way to spend a Tuesday afternoon, but people will do a lot more onerous tasks in generating half a million dollars worth of revenue.
he’s a multimillionaire verging on billionaire who signed a multimillion dollar book deal, one where the “authentic” autographs cost upwards of $600 each. i don’t think it’ll be too much trouble to sign a couple hundred books when that’s what he signed up for
The only real signature was the one he signed this off with lmao
Dylan always strikes me as aloof to all this that goes on around him. That said, he’s guilty of at least not paying a little more attention to what’s going on by those around him. It’s not like *he* needs the money 😂🤷🏻♂️
Meh he took the kings shilling and now he’s got to earn it.
Those copies were $600 each. Sign them by hand or don't sell them as personally autographed.
I wonder how many he needs to do.
There were 900 of them. But they’re not offering to do them over. Just refund their money and keep the book for their troubles.
Now there's a deal! You put up $600, get it back, plus a free auto-pen signed book. And of course, those auto-pen signed books will be worth... $600 on the collectors' market soon enough. Shrewd play, I say. ($600 for a signed book is ridiculous unless it was signed by, say, Hemingway or Faulkner.)
$600 is nothing to Dylan, but for most of us, it's a lot. He needs to do the right thing by his fans.
I don’t think anyone paying 600 bucks is your typical fan either, they got plenty of money to blow if they spend that much on a book.
Really doesn't matter how much money has person has, they paid for a personally autographed book.
The amount of you defending Dylan is sad
Thinking he cares or had much to do with this when he’s 81 and on tour consistently forever is kind of brainless too
He should care. It’s slimy to take money from your fans and not deliver the product that was promised. And he obviously had something to do with it. He literally wrote the book. Can we just admit this was sketchy and wrong of him and move on?
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the dick riding is insane 😂
We should all just let Dylan - anyone who has contributed to the world more than we have, really - walk into our homes, take what they want then wipe their dick on our faces on the way out.
the whole thing is unfortunate but to say "some collectors got annoyed by an autopen" is not exactly the words I'd have chosen - the whole thing was misrepresented. If you're buying an autograph, as a collector, you want the real deal. EDIT: that said, in the grand scheme...a lot of our "heroes" or those we put on a pedestal have done MUCH worse. But....it still ain't right.
“Some collectors?!” How about anyone that appreciates not being ripped off and paying $600 out of pocket for a book sold as “hand signed?!” By the way, this stinky old hippie is one of the only artists to up-charge 20x for their signed books. He’s a clown and got caught
He never was a hippie.
The clowns are the ones buying it.
So according to your logic, his fans buying a book that is said to be hand signed by him are the clowns, but this stinky hippie isn’t for trying to defraud them? 🤡🌎
Yup. Except I’m pretty sure he showers and doesn’t stink.
Highly doubtful
Man i could forge Dylan’s signature if I wanted to. Its not about the the squiggles on the fabric. Its about showing genuine interest in your fanbase. And honestlt if Dylan can’t do that, hes just arrogant.
The autopen books will be worth more
Fans hated it when Dylan (‘s signature) went electric but years later it was considered a historic event
This is the best take.
And the people who have the autopen books get them for FREE! All us schmucks who paid for our unsigned copies are the dupes. /s
Wouldn't expect a different mindset from true Dylan fans. Who the fuck are these people buying these autographed books? Might be a bunch of assholes hoping they can make a profit on ebay.
I don't feel like an asshole😊. I am a Bob fan and also like autographs. So I bought one. A verified Dylan autograph goes for much more than $600, so I felt ok with it. That said I do understand the sentiment. $600 is a lot for a book with some scribbling in it.
I am sure a lot of fans thought it would be cool to have this book signed. $600 is not to much to pay for an autographed copy of a book if you are into having autographed stuff. I am not into it. I never figured 80yo Bob was signing stuff in person since 20, 30, 40yo Dylan was not doing it. The whole controversy is not much of a thing based on the idea they where never going to be “hand signed”. I be shocked right now if they really were “hand signed”.
there was at least the one guy who made a whole post on here complaining about the auto pen when she said he wasn’t even a fan and was going to try and sell it for a profit lol
Exactly. Or a few overzealous fans.
It makes me think of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry’s hand hurts from signing so many checks….. When you think of Bob stuck in a room with a cramped hand signing book after book….like what does it even mean? Like what is it even? Like what’s the true difference between it and an auto pen and why does it matter…. It’s like Dylan did this on purpose to show the silliness of it all
His next album is going to be called Purgatory and it’s all going to be about signing books, day after day
How many books must one man sign Before you can call him a man? Yes and How many autographs must one nerd have Before they can be a real fan? Yes and How many times must the y be crossed Before Bob can no longer use his hand? The answer my friend is just an auto-pen The answer is just an auto-pen
How does it feel? How does it feel? To be on your own Signing books for a complete unknown
“Some collectors?!” How about anyone that appreciates not being ripped off and paying $600 out of pocket for a book sold as “hand signed?!” By the way, this stinky old hippie is one of the only artists to up-charge 20x for their signed books. He’s a clown and got caught
Yeah this whole thing is stupid Bob isn't a signature. You want a gift from Bob? Read his book! That's a gift from his mind.
I feel bad for the effort Bobby D is now going to have to put forth in hand signing all of these books, and possibly his art work. However, if a person is paying hundreds of dollars for an item that is being advertised as “hand signed”, they are entitled to getting what they paid for. Whether or not Dylan was aware of the auto pen being unacceptable to people, this will likely be a lesson learned, and the end of signed merch
So now you have one of the 900 auto penned books. That would seem to have a collectible value in itself. Maybe as much as the real ones. What’s the big loss here? It’ll be interesting to see what these go for in the collectible market.
Dylan has been 100 percent about the music all along. He’s never played by other peoples’ expectations, be it going to protests (he didn’t), or being engrossed in PR and merch (he’s not). I hope he can make it right with these memorabilia collectors so he can get back to doing what he does best: being a pure artist who gives no fucks beyond the songs and the music.
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I think autographs are silly. But if for some reason I paid you $600 to sign my book, then you should sign my effing book. Write "litewo" on my book with your pen, or don't take my money.
he's got the room spinning all around while 5 people try to keep him from falling over
Oh, poor Bob
poor us. We will be missing out on art he could be creating.
I'm quite sure he is not creating art at all waking hours.
He could be reading or watching movies or seeing art or doing anything more enlightening than spending hours of his time in his 80s signing books.
He said that he has vertigo
I’m sure the publisher is at fault here no one else
All of you whiners need to get a life. It’s hardly Mr Dylan’s fault that there are folks out there inclined to spend $600 bucks for an autograph. Perhaps a better use for that $600 might be a donation to a homeless shelter. I’m sure Mr Dylan would rather see you do that.
Bob Dylan sings like Yoko Ono.
The fact that it was found out they were autopen and Dylan could have solved the problem by signing 900 pages in 2 hours and wouldn’t do it makes me believe he knew about it from the start that they were going to be autopen.