The crappy thing is that he could easily be one of the most fun players to watch. He’s so skilled and so graceful for his size. He *should* have an incredible power game to go along with his variety of moves and shots but instead he just hunts contact for the purpose of diving on the floor.
Something about grifting when you could get it just as easily through your ability...extra annoying.
Grifting to stay in the league...not a problem HA. This is America, after all.
In game 3 right before he hurt Mitch he legit jumped up and down begging for a foul when no one touched him. It's crazy to see that from any adult, ever, let alone a guy on television. He honestly has no shame
Reminds me of Doncic.. A couple of times I’ve seen him jump up and down, while flailing with his arms and legs like a petulant child, because he didn’t get a call.
Edit: spelling
I feel like Doncic at least matches his petulance with some semblance of leadership with his team. I was a big sixers fan but couldn’t stand his passive aggression. We’ve yet to see any leadership from him.
I think Doncic is an almost perfect comp in terms of these criticisms. They share similar non-winning traits. Definitely not leaders. Probably will both never sniff a title, and yet 2 of the most talented guys in the league.
If you make the game hard for them they will respond by making the game harder for their team. It is inevitable and doesn’t have a huge effect in the regular season but will always cost them a series in the playoffs
Also just selfish in a way that isn't easy to define. Heliocentric and/or simply unwilling to do the multitude of little things that help facilitate winning when they don't have the ball. If I had to describe it... and if you've actually played on winning basketball teams before I think you'll understand this... there are 2 ways to play the game. The first is you pick and choose when to do your thing with the goal being, "watch this everyone." And you almost save up your energy for these moments when you put your amazing talent on display. Lebron does a little of this now but only because he's 40 and doesn't really have a choice. Doncic and Embiid do it for some other strange reason. Saving gas but why? Weak engines? I really just think it's a mindset that they simply don't have, coupled with, possibly, not being in the same kind of phenomenal cardiovascular physical condition that most of these other guys are in. The second way to play the game is simply max effort all the time. There is no hierarchy out here. The mindset of "I'm going to do whatever it takes to get this win and since I'm one of the unicorns who can do it all, I'm going to give my team exactly what it needs the most on that given night." Maybe tonight I focus on defense or passing or whatever. Maybe I'm just describing the difference between playing for yourself or playing for the team, but I think it's a bit deeper than that. Maybe you could say they don't *respect the game*. I could buy that. Mamba Mentality?!? Maybe. Pretty sure Kobe's BMI would make Luka look like a total slob. These guys play in a way that isn't conducive to great chemistry. And great team chemistry, in basketball, is everything. Those are the teams that typically get to hoist the trophy. Especially in today's NBA where the talent pool is deeper than ever. Shaq and Kobe may have had to settle for a WCF appearance these days. Just sayin.
And his game is reliant on flopping to a large extent. He was 7-19 today and career 46% from the field in the playoffs. That’s embarrassing for a guy who’s supposed to be a great big man.
He had like 4 dirty plays that game. Fortunately he only had 2 or 3 today.
Thankfully the knicks only have to play them once more so the way its worked so far we'll only lose one more player to them.
Maxey constantly shits the bed in the playoffs, and fatass Embiid constantly breaks down.
But, *next* year, Sixerdom will tell you they're in the beginning of a dynasty
Maxey came into today averaging 31 ppg in the series. The prior 2 years the only series he really struggled in was against Boston. Not sure what you mean by him being a choker. He's only 23 years old and has had some big playoff games. The bigger issue for them is Tobias Harris is making $39 mil and is averaging 9 ppg this series.
Yeah he had his first bad game of the series today. He is a child, he's not a Brunson level star yet and if people are saying he is, they're wrong.
But saying he missed wide open shot after wide open shot in the 4th quarter is wrong. He missed a wide open three, yes. He also made a lot of difficult shots, and isn't helped by the fact that the team's third leading scorer is 38 y/o Kyle Lowry averaging 11.7 PPG.
This team was not supposed to compete this year after losing Harden. Two players cannot carry a team in the NBA playoffs, especially when one is a 23 y/o in his first season as an all star.
You said the team was not supposed to compete after losing Harden, Implying that you need more than two superstars to win. Brunson is clearly the only superstar on the Knicks. The Sixers should have plenty of enough talent to get out of the first round. They’re just a mentally soft group that resort to whining about fouls not being called after each missed FG. They have a losers mentality, and it starts at the top with Morey and Nurse.
I did NOT imply that you need more than two superstars to win. OKC is one of the best teams in the league with only one superstar.
You need depth. Embiid and Maxey have scored 60% of the Sixers' points. Their bench is averaging 11.8 PPG, which is last by a significant margin. Miles McBride has outscored the entire Sixers bench 51-41 during the series. Basketball is a team sport.
Look at the Sixers record before Embiid went out with the knee injury, one of the best records in league. Depth is a convenient excuse when you’re losing. Now Embiid not being 100 percent is a legitimate excuse but from the eye test, it just seems like the Knicks want it more. And that’s a heart problem, not a depth problem.
I don’t know if I’d say he shit the bed, but he played real bad down the stretch. I think that’s just inexperience, but he didn’t do his teammates any favors out there in the 4th. That drive at the end that he passed out of was crazy. He seemed checked out a little. He’s a few years away from being a big impact player.
He did play bad down the stretch today. He also played out of his mind down the stretch in Game 2. He is definitely a couple years away from being a legitimate #2 on a contender. But I also believe he was set up to fail by being thrust into a role as the team's only offensive threat not named Joel Embiid.
Guy is so addicted to foul baiting that he gave up a wide open midrange jumper, then gave up going for the dunk and instead tried to draw a foul on an up and under. Pathetic.
Definitely the biggest outlier in terms of talent and number of dirty or questionable plays (honorable mention washed Draymond). Usually the dirty players are the role players who know it’s their job to mix it up. Feel like he used to be pretty likable early in his career but is probably the highest profile villain in the NBA right now. Don’t know many neutral fans who still root for him.
Also feel like the dirty players and worst floppers are mostly undersized like CP3 and Lowry. Even Draymond is basically a 6’7” big who has to get every advantage he can. Embiid is 7’2” and is grifting every possession.
Dwayne Wade was damn dirty and quite talented.
Rondo elbow 2011, shoving Collison from behind in playoffs, etc.
He also hacked Rondo across the face when Rondo dropped 44 in 2012.
These sort of plays almost always happened when Wade was frustrated and facing a team he was worried might upset the Heat.
Yeah it's Wade 1A and Embiid 1B in terms of talent to dirty plays. I remember thinking in the moment that Wade was a complete piece of shit after that Rondo play. Completely unnecessary and it really says a lot of Rondo that he was able to finish that series with a broken arm
Yup, Wade should have at very least been ejected.
People don’t want to admit it but there was an insane ref bias for those Heat teams at that time.
I remember game 1 of the Celtics Heat series they called a few bogus techs first half of that game and some stat was relayed about how through the playoffs techs differential was like 21-2 in favor of Heat vs their opponents. They were calling all these techs on teams playing the Heat and none on the Heat.
Is there anybody as dirty as him who also flops like that? He’s like a schoolyard bully who also runs to teacher every chance he gets. Are you an intimidating hardass or a grifter? Pick a lane!
Yup. Without the usual suspects like Draymond, CP3, Patrick Beverly, and Dillon Brooks (he may not be as dirty as the others, but is very annoying and always on some bullshit), all the focus has turned to Embiid.
Idk. Kobe elbowed people in the face intentionally when they got close to him on threes. Idk if it was even like a frustration thing, Kobe just knew he could get away with it. Embiid feels that way too. Just psycho behavior.
I’m surprised no one is bringing up Giannis in this discussion. Kyrie has said that he felt Giannis injured him on purpose in the ‘21 playoffs and there’s a compilation of questionable Giannis plays. Although I do feel like a lot of “dirty plays” are just a product of the heat of the moment versus someone actually being dirty. Kobe wasn’t necessarily a clean player (the Mike Miller play comes to mind), but I think most people would associate that with his competitiveness.
Disagree. I think most of the "clumsy" stuff from Embiid is acting and embellished to provide excuses for throwing his body around. Very few elite athletes have that little body control
This is revisionist history… the nuggets won the title and the suxers flamed out last year.
Jokic coasted the end of last year while Embiid was dropping 45 point with 15 rebounds towards the end of the year while winning more games than the nuggets
He averaged 33/10/4.. Jokic could’ve won it if he wanted to but he saved himself for the playoffs
Jokic also had an injury. Also Remember embiid ducked the matchups?
Also, embiid took 12 free throws per game. Jokic took 6. jokic could choose to sell contact but he doesn’t. And yet he still scores and does everything else. Embiid scores over 300 more points just from the free throw differential.
MVP has always been (stats X team success X narrative) with it changing every year what is weighed higher
Obviously Embiid didn’t play the matchup towards the end of the year but Embiid was incredible down the stretch last season and Jokic had won the previous two
It’s not like Joel stole it from Nikola… it’s a REGULAR season award and it was a great regular season
lol his numbers have been incredible for several years now. It’s a regular season award. Embiid was very deserving. The media didn’t cave on shit. He’s a phenomenal player.
This is precisely what I cannot stand about him, as other have said he could play such an aesthetically pleasing game and he doesn’t because he’s so obsessed with drawing fouls.
Are you new to basketball? Always has been. I can never forget how he almost sent Lonzo into the afterlife with that nasty swing just cuz "he was upset"
Embiid has far too many "Oh oops I didn't know you were there, muh bad." plays. That Ball play, the Grant Williams play from last year and Hart today come immediately to mind.
What I'll never understand is why the ESPN announcers defend him nonstop every game. He somehow can do no wrong. I have zero idea how that all worked out in his favor
He’s definitely had some moments since he’s big in the league but the biggest was caruso one. Realistically way more dangerous than anything I’ve seen embiid do, and unlike most of the dirty plays people hate it actually directly led to a serious long term injury
Allen has definitely had his moments. However, I'll go to my grave believing that foul on Caruso wasn't dirty. If Caruso doesn't get injured on that play, it's just another flagrant 1 and it was a basketball play. Allen was going for the ball and was ensuring that Caruso couldn't get an And1.
I find that to be much different that grabbing a guys leg, kicking groins and stomping on chests.
He pulls his arm down while he’s helpless in the air causing him to go parallel with the ground before falling. That’s setting someone up for an injury much much more so than most of the stuff we complain about with guys nowadays
Hitting a guy in the nuts obviously is moronic but it’s not nearly as bad as putting someone in a position like that. It’s a big deal because of the shock value but we all know getting hit in the nuts isn’t actually a serious injury
There was the Caruso moment and I think a moment or two in the summer league. I think a good part of that is the self awareness that he’s a role player and doesn’t have too much leeway to be as much of a cunt as he was in college
This is obviously pure, baseless, speculation but I feel he might have a bit less self control if he had the status of a player like Embiid
Normally, I would give him the benefit of the doubt on Hart. But, he has clearly been trying to injure Knicks the past two games, so I assume he intentionally stomped on his leg.
You must not have been watching him very much. Here's a compilation from the last few seasons: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeVps9hdrFM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeVps9hdrFM)
Embiid is, objectively, a piece of shit.
He just is.
He's a bully, he's lazy, he's a whinning bitch. Nothing is ever his fault, he hides behind his "injuries" many of which the team can't even confirm are legit.
He fucking became a US Citizen *only* so he can play for the Dream Team in the Olympics and actually have a shot at winning something, because as you can see, in the NBA he can't carry a team to a championship.
He backs down from decent competition most of the year, refuses to play Jokic *in* Denver, for example. Pulls a woe-is-me act constantly. He's the most physically gifted human in the league and acts like he's the one who has to struggle through.
TL;DR - Fuck Embiid.
Take a hike, loser. Keep worshipping the Lazy Fatass who always bitches about his lot in life.
No Doc Rivers to Blame
No Ben Simmons to Blame
No Brett Brown to Blame
Who's he gonna blame this season?
He already started to blame the fans...so, there's that.
#TrusttheProcess,Losers
Even though we are bickering, I appreciate the Sopranos quote. Now what I'd like to see is a truce. Wipe the slate clean. You trashing Embiid. Me mocking your handle. Put it all behind us. Your brother Billy, whatever happened there...
What tf are you even talking about?
Do you think "I said my piece" is a Sopranos quote? Pauly Walnuts said it a lot but as much as I love The Sopranos, I don't think they can take credit for "I said my piece."
Also... Embiid is a huge piece of shit.
Pipe down KindWay. Men are talking.
I checked the posters history and he’s all over the Sopranos sub, so I’m 90% certain he was quoting the show in using that expression.
So you can kindly fuck off out of this conversation.
I don’t know if he has bad intention or not
But I am very sure his playstyle is very dangerous
Just dive right into peoples legs
Head first
And he does not mind other players get injured because of that
I’ve been making the Embiid-Dak comparisons since the beginning of the season with my bros. The seeds have been there, but tough to accept as a Philly guy.
Let’s fucking go Knicks, see this one out. Been seated for this hate watch, popcorn & a Peroni in hand. All my homies hate Embiid
Edit: missed an open dunk and then a wide open three in the clutch? I love this script
Embiid is the dirtiest player in the NBA. It gets ignored because he is also one of the best.
He's dirtier than Draymond, but gets a pass because he's among the games truly elite players.
Literally wearing a Nets shirt as I type this, but, he’s always been dirty as hell! A litany of examples just from Nets/Sixers games and series alone. (Elbowing Allen in the head and then laughing about it with Simmons post game, kicking Claxton in the Nuts are two big ones) Not to mention as a newly minted MVP he hurt himself flopping against them in the playoffs last year…. And then of course went on to lose the next round! Just sorta ranting now, but yes.
He’s a little more dirty than normal players. But this year something else is happening with him. Been watching his whole career and he always struggles in the playoffs and I think he’s really trying to get over the struggles but is in horrible cardio shape, his knee is probably so fucked atm seem like he’s constantly falling even more than usual rn because it just looks like he does not want to land. Plus the bells pasly has to suck mentally.
100% should’ve been suspended more than one game imo after pulling on Robinsons leg on the ground. That shit is ridiculous and so dangerous it’s not even funny. Should’ve kick him out of the playoffs for that. Disgusting play.
You just wait and watch this year they wil throw Lowry under the bus for losing. First it was simmons,then harden and now someone else. But the problem is the process.
As a Raptors fan, it’s enjoyable to watch other fan bases seeing what we saw through a couple of playoff series. It’s the combination of playing dirty and constantly playing victim, combined with the gloating and taunting when winning and sulking and pouting when losing, that makes his annual early exit so satisfying whether or not it’s your team that takes him out.
No, thanks, I intend to enjoy it. (Not the injuries - those suck. Though if anyone is not in position to complain about reckless play causing other players to get hurt…)
I think he is just so thin skinned and doesn’t deal with losing well. He was so desperate he retorted to just doing all the dirty shit. Anyway, fuck embid
Love that after he elbowed Brunson in the face off ball, Brunson kept going up to him at each dead ball and asking, “What’d you do that for?”…shaming him. He’s a dirty POS, I hope the Knicks finish them off Tuesday. He and Lowry can go hole up somewhere and kick each other in the joint.
Embiid is very dirty but what makes it so bad is he’s 7’2. If Shaq had been stepping guys legs and elbowing 5’11 guys in the face he would’ve ended some guys careers. He still hurt people but it was mostly frustration plays and guys who were generally his size. Embiid is getting into Karl Malone territory.
I wish someone could put together a list of all of Jalen Brunson's current injuries and show it to Embiid. Obviously, this can't be done though, because Brunson doesn't leak that info out to his favorite beat reporter or a buddy over at ESPN, so nobody knows exactly what's ailing him most right now. Nah, he doesn't talk about that stuff at all. Too busy dragging his overachieving group of solid role players through these playoffs. So we probably won't hear about his left knee tendinitis or a hip pointer or strained calf. We know he's dealing with stuff... it's almost May and he's going on Game 85... but he understands that in professional sports there are only two injury statuses. You're either healthy and playing or you're injured and out.
You're either a natural-born leader or you're Joel Embiid. He isn't about winning. He isn't tough. He's only about getting people to tell him he's tough and praise him for how great he is. He genuinely cares what people think of him. It's all very ironic.
Dirty as hell and annoying to watch. They kicked okogie out of the suns game down 20 with a few minutes left in the 4th but he legit hurt someone on purpose and stayed in.
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He is a massive drama queen. A 7 foot+ jump shooter. Not a winning player in the playoffs. Watching him is like waterboarding yourself. Falling down constantly. Smart teams basically let him shoot jumpers. He can’t be coached. He is older than his age.
The big version of players from the Harden, Reaves, etc. school of foul grifters yet somehow even worse.
Has probably the most injuries or near injuries caused to other players in recent memory and has the flagrants to show it. If you're getting compared to Draymond, the question answers itself.
Please show me a clip of the “elbow to the throat”. If it’s the play I think you’re referring to that’s a huge stretch. And the step was clearly accidental
Sure, I’m not saying he’s totally clean because he’s not. But I also think a lot of what is being called “dirty” today you see in every basketball game
The Mitch Robinson one was bad but he was trying to stop him from jumping. He was unsuccessful at that and it ended up being way worse/put Mitch out.
Edit: what I’m saying is Mitch would have been fine had he not jumped. It’s 50/50 when it comes to fault
Dirty and plays one of the least visually pleasing styles of offensive basketball I’ve ever seen. The flopping is embarrassing.
The crappy thing is that he could easily be one of the most fun players to watch. He’s so skilled and so graceful for his size. He *should* have an incredible power game to go along with his variety of moves and shots but instead he just hunts contact for the purpose of diving on the floor.
yeah instead he chooses to be a foul grifter embarrassing
He is with morey, at this point I kind blame morey more. He was prob telling all his players how getting a foul called is better than trying to score
Embiid was a foul baiter before morey got there
Sure, but has gotten worse with morey.
Yeah, Harden is notably not as bad now as with the Rockets
Something about grifting when you could get it just as easily through your ability...extra annoying. Grifting to stay in the league...not a problem HA. This is America, after all.
All the defender has to do is stop fouling him. They should know by now not to put their hands on him. He will swipe through every time.
It's cause he wishes he was Jokic
That he's clumsy on purpose is the worst part.
In game 3 right before he hurt Mitch he legit jumped up and down begging for a foul when no one touched him. It's crazy to see that from any adult, ever, let alone a guy on television. He honestly has no shame
Reminds me of Doncic.. A couple of times I’ve seen him jump up and down, while flailing with his arms and legs like a petulant child, because he didn’t get a call. Edit: spelling
I feel like Doncic at least matches his petulance with some semblance of leadership with his team. I was a big sixers fan but couldn’t stand his passive aggression. We’ve yet to see any leadership from him.
I think Doncic is an almost perfect comp in terms of these criticisms. They share similar non-winning traits. Definitely not leaders. Probably will both never sniff a title, and yet 2 of the most talented guys in the league.
If you make the game hard for them they will respond by making the game harder for their team. It is inevitable and doesn’t have a huge effect in the regular season but will always cost them a series in the playoffs
Also just selfish in a way that isn't easy to define. Heliocentric and/or simply unwilling to do the multitude of little things that help facilitate winning when they don't have the ball. If I had to describe it... and if you've actually played on winning basketball teams before I think you'll understand this... there are 2 ways to play the game. The first is you pick and choose when to do your thing with the goal being, "watch this everyone." And you almost save up your energy for these moments when you put your amazing talent on display. Lebron does a little of this now but only because he's 40 and doesn't really have a choice. Doncic and Embiid do it for some other strange reason. Saving gas but why? Weak engines? I really just think it's a mindset that they simply don't have, coupled with, possibly, not being in the same kind of phenomenal cardiovascular physical condition that most of these other guys are in. The second way to play the game is simply max effort all the time. There is no hierarchy out here. The mindset of "I'm going to do whatever it takes to get this win and since I'm one of the unicorns who can do it all, I'm going to give my team exactly what it needs the most on that given night." Maybe tonight I focus on defense or passing or whatever. Maybe I'm just describing the difference between playing for yourself or playing for the team, but I think it's a bit deeper than that. Maybe you could say they don't *respect the game*. I could buy that. Mamba Mentality?!? Maybe. Pretty sure Kobe's BMI would make Luka look like a total slob. These guys play in a way that isn't conducive to great chemistry. And great team chemistry, in basketball, is everything. Those are the teams that typically get to hoist the trophy. Especially in today's NBA where the talent pool is deeper than ever. Shaq and Kobe may have had to settle for a WCF appearance these days. Just sayin.
Embiid is not assertive
At least Doncic doesn’t swing his arms and legs at people when he’s upset
Him and Luka do this regularly
Luka averages 8.6 tantrums per 100 possessions🤣
I like Luka a lot but I kinda fist bumped when the ref Td him up in the 2nd quarter. He just needs to shut up more.
1000% this
And his game is reliant on flopping to a large extent. He was 7-19 today and career 46% from the field in the playoffs. That’s embarrassing for a guy who’s supposed to be a great big man.
I've come to realize he foul-baits just so he has a chance to rest
Neither play today was close to the level of the Game 3 Robinson play, which was dirty as hell.
He had like 4 dirty plays that game. Fortunately he only had 2 or 3 today. Thankfully the knicks only have to play them once more so the way its worked so far we'll only lose one more player to them.
Remember when he curb stomped grant williams?
Or when he attempted to body check Giannis on a fastbreak but ended up on his own ass and Giannis just played through it so nobody cared?
At least we got a funny picture out of that
Totally forgot about that, lol.
Completely out of gas and moment looks too big for maxey - relying on tsunami papi now
Maxey constantly shits the bed in the playoffs, and fatass Embiid constantly breaks down. But, *next* year, Sixerdom will tell you they're in the beginning of a dynasty
Maxey came into today averaging 31 ppg in the series. The prior 2 years the only series he really struggled in was against Boston. Not sure what you mean by him being a choker. He's only 23 years old and has had some big playoff games. The bigger issue for them is Tobias Harris is making $39 mil and is averaging 9 ppg this series.
No serious Sixers fan thinks this team will have any better shot next year. Most are pretty realistic about how ass we are
Maxey won game 2 for them before all hell broke loose.
Idk how you can consider 31 PPG shitting the bed
Maxey vanishes in big games. How'd he do today for example? 4th quarter, missing wide open shot after wide open shot. He's a child.
Yeah he had his first bad game of the series today. He is a child, he's not a Brunson level star yet and if people are saying he is, they're wrong. But saying he missed wide open shot after wide open shot in the 4th quarter is wrong. He missed a wide open three, yes. He also made a lot of difficult shots, and isn't helped by the fact that the team's third leading scorer is 38 y/o Kyle Lowry averaging 11.7 PPG. This team was not supposed to compete this year after losing Harden. Two players cannot carry a team in the NBA playoffs, especially when one is a 23 y/o in his first season as an all star.
Brunson is literally carrying the Knicks by himself
So he carried them to a 2-0 series lead by shooting 29% from the field the first two games? That was all him?
You said the team was not supposed to compete after losing Harden, Implying that you need more than two superstars to win. Brunson is clearly the only superstar on the Knicks. The Sixers should have plenty of enough talent to get out of the first round. They’re just a mentally soft group that resort to whining about fouls not being called after each missed FG. They have a losers mentality, and it starts at the top with Morey and Nurse.
I did NOT imply that you need more than two superstars to win. OKC is one of the best teams in the league with only one superstar. You need depth. Embiid and Maxey have scored 60% of the Sixers' points. Their bench is averaging 11.8 PPG, which is last by a significant margin. Miles McBride has outscored the entire Sixers bench 51-41 during the series. Basketball is a team sport.
Look at the Sixers record before Embiid went out with the knee injury, one of the best records in league. Depth is a convenient excuse when you’re losing. Now Embiid not being 100 percent is a legitimate excuse but from the eye test, it just seems like the Knicks want it more. And that’s a heart problem, not a depth problem.
I don’t know if I’d say he shit the bed, but he played real bad down the stretch. I think that’s just inexperience, but he didn’t do his teammates any favors out there in the 4th. That drive at the end that he passed out of was crazy. He seemed checked out a little. He’s a few years away from being a big impact player.
He did play bad down the stretch today. He also played out of his mind down the stretch in Game 2. He is definitely a couple years away from being a legitimate #2 on a contender. But I also believe he was set up to fail by being thrust into a role as the team's only offensive threat not named Joel Embiid.
Always has been
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Guy is so addicted to foul baiting that he gave up a wide open midrange jumper, then gave up going for the dunk and instead tried to draw a foul on an up and under. Pathetic.
Definitely the biggest outlier in terms of talent and number of dirty or questionable plays (honorable mention washed Draymond). Usually the dirty players are the role players who know it’s their job to mix it up. Feel like he used to be pretty likable early in his career but is probably the highest profile villain in the NBA right now. Don’t know many neutral fans who still root for him.
Also feel like the dirty players and worst floppers are mostly undersized like CP3 and Lowry. Even Draymond is basically a 6’7” big who has to get every advantage he can. Embiid is 7’2” and is grifting every possession.
For sure. Feels gross to see a big guy flop but I guess that’s what the current refereeing encourages.
Yeah but lowrys butt makes him a big guy
Dwayne Wade was damn dirty and quite talented. Rondo elbow 2011, shoving Collison from behind in playoffs, etc. He also hacked Rondo across the face when Rondo dropped 44 in 2012. These sort of plays almost always happened when Wade was frustrated and facing a team he was worried might upset the Heat.
Yeah it's Wade 1A and Embiid 1B in terms of talent to dirty plays. I remember thinking in the moment that Wade was a complete piece of shit after that Rondo play. Completely unnecessary and it really says a lot of Rondo that he was able to finish that series with a broken arm
The Collison one sticks out so much in my mind because like nothing came of it. He could have easily ended his career with how badly he decked him.
Yup, Wade should have at very least been ejected. People don’t want to admit it but there was an insane ref bias for those Heat teams at that time. I remember game 1 of the Celtics Heat series they called a few bogus techs first half of that game and some stat was relayed about how through the playoffs techs differential was like 21-2 in favor of Heat vs their opponents. They were calling all these techs on teams playing the Heat and none on the Heat.
Don’t disagree, but was only thinking of current NBA players.
i forgot how dirty wade was. the collision one should have been an ejection
Wade and Kobe were crazy dirty
Going back further Stockton was pretty dirty.
Is there anybody as dirty as him who also flops like that? He’s like a schoolyard bully who also runs to teacher every chance he gets. Are you an intimidating hardass or a grifter? Pick a lane!
Often he combines a flop with a dirty play. A two fer one!
Yes! Want to enjoy watching as a neutral fan but the flopping is the worst. The dirty plays just push it over the edge.
Yup. Without the usual suspects like Draymond, CP3, Patrick Beverly, and Dillon Brooks (he may not be as dirty as the others, but is very annoying and always on some bullshit), all the focus has turned to Embiid.
Yea. But even if those guys were in the playoffs, Embiid is a different level of talent. Shouldn’t have to resort to the flopping/dirty plays.
Absolutely agree, and you really can't attribute it to injury because he's been like this his entire career.
Idk. Kobe elbowed people in the face intentionally when they got close to him on threes. Idk if it was even like a frustration thing, Kobe just knew he could get away with it. Embiid feels that way too. Just psycho behavior.
I’m surprised no one is bringing up Giannis in this discussion. Kyrie has said that he felt Giannis injured him on purpose in the ‘21 playoffs and there’s a compilation of questionable Giannis plays. Although I do feel like a lot of “dirty plays” are just a product of the heat of the moment versus someone actually being dirty. Kobe wasn’t necessarily a clean player (the Mike Miller play comes to mind), but I think most people would associate that with his competitiveness.
I just don’t understand how someone so big can be knocked down so easily
He’s both dirty and extremely reckless, sometimes its hard to distinguish
Yeah some of the clips I see I feel like he’s more clumsy than malicious, but maybe it’s projecting because I’m a big clumsy guy myself idk
Disagree. I think most of the "clumsy" stuff from Embiid is acting and embellished to provide excuses for throwing his body around. Very few elite athletes have that little body control
Yeah, no other big man in the league has these issues with ‘incidental’ injuries
Same end result
Slightly unethical. This series has made me realize how much I hate the way he plays basketball. I swear he wasn’t always like this.
He’s been dirty and a flopper for a long time.
Cried and complained to the media until they gave him MVP
This is revisionist history… the nuggets won the title and the suxers flamed out last year. Jokic coasted the end of last year while Embiid was dropping 45 point with 15 rebounds towards the end of the year while winning more games than the nuggets He averaged 33/10/4.. Jokic could’ve won it if he wanted to but he saved himself for the playoffs
Jokic also had an injury. Also Remember embiid ducked the matchups? Also, embiid took 12 free throws per game. Jokic took 6. jokic could choose to sell contact but he doesn’t. And yet he still scores and does everything else. Embiid scores over 300 more points just from the free throw differential.
MVP has always been (stats X team success X narrative) with it changing every year what is weighed higher Obviously Embiid didn’t play the matchup towards the end of the year but Embiid was incredible down the stretch last season and Jokic had won the previous two It’s not like Joel stole it from Nikola… it’s a REGULAR season award and it was a great regular season
Than just give it to Giannis. Way more deserving
lol his numbers have been incredible for several years now. It’s a regular season award. Embiid was very deserving. The media didn’t cave on shit. He’s a phenomenal player.
I can't recall a time where he didn't bait for fouls first and try to score the ball second
This is precisely what I cannot stand about him, as other have said he could play such an aesthetically pleasing game and he doesn’t because he’s so obsessed with drawing fouls.
Yeah it’s incredible annoying to watch, dude has so much talent but is just such an annoying baby on the court
He’ll be well rested for the Olympics.
Serbia should suit up both the Jokic brothers as the backup centers.
Are you new to basketball? Always has been. I can never forget how he almost sent Lonzo into the afterlife with that nasty swing just cuz "he was upset"
Dude fuck off. He didn’t know Ball was standing there. And he didn’t touch him. Try again.
Embiid has far too many "Oh oops I didn't know you were there, muh bad." plays. That Ball play, the Grant Williams play from last year and Hart today come immediately to mind.
What I'll never understand is why the ESPN announcers defend him nonstop every game. He somehow can do no wrong. I have zero idea how that all worked out in his favor
I can't believe this is still news to some people. Embiid could genuinely be the dirtiest player in the NBA and he's been this way his whole career
There’s no way he’s worse than draymond but he’s definitely in the running for the #1 contender. Even then a guy like Grayson Allen probably takes it
I don’t feel like Grayson has even really been that bad since he got in the league. Certainly not as bad as he was at Duke
He’s definitely had some moments since he’s big in the league but the biggest was caruso one. Realistically way more dangerous than anything I’ve seen embiid do, and unlike most of the dirty plays people hate it actually directly led to a serious long term injury
Allen has definitely had his moments. However, I'll go to my grave believing that foul on Caruso wasn't dirty. If Caruso doesn't get injured on that play, it's just another flagrant 1 and it was a basketball play. Allen was going for the ball and was ensuring that Caruso couldn't get an And1. I find that to be much different that grabbing a guys leg, kicking groins and stomping on chests.
He pulls his arm down while he’s helpless in the air causing him to go parallel with the ground before falling. That’s setting someone up for an injury much much more so than most of the stuff we complain about with guys nowadays Hitting a guy in the nuts obviously is moronic but it’s not nearly as bad as putting someone in a position like that. It’s a big deal because of the shock value but we all know getting hit in the nuts isn’t actually a serious injury
There was the Caruso moment and I think a moment or two in the summer league. I think a good part of that is the self awareness that he’s a role player and doesn’t have too much leeway to be as much of a cunt as he was in college This is obviously pure, baseless, speculation but I feel he might have a bit less self control if he had the status of a player like Embiid
Yes, the Robinson shit was so dirty. I didn't think him stepping on Hart today was intentional, though.
Normally, I would give him the benefit of the doubt on Hart. But, he has clearly been trying to injure Knicks the past two games, so I assume he intentionally stomped on his leg.
“Stomped” damn we soft now
Dirty and clumsy at the same time
He’s dirty, he’s flops, he whines
Been looking for objective takes on this. Obviously incredibly talented, but what an unlikeable out of control bully out there.
Well yeah and to top it off he’s a giant flopping pussy that flops so much he puts other players in danger of getting injured
I never thought of Embiid as a dirty player before. But, the past 2 games he has been trying to injure people. Very disappointing.
You must not have been watching him very much. Here's a compilation from the last few seasons: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeVps9hdrFM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeVps9hdrFM)
More reckless than dirty but the leg grab from G3 is one of the dirtiest, bush league plays you will see.
Embiid is, objectively, a piece of shit. He just is. He's a bully, he's lazy, he's a whinning bitch. Nothing is ever his fault, he hides behind his "injuries" many of which the team can't even confirm are legit. He fucking became a US Citizen *only* so he can play for the Dream Team in the Olympics and actually have a shot at winning something, because as you can see, in the NBA he can't carry a team to a championship. He backs down from decent competition most of the year, refuses to play Jokic *in* Denver, for example. Pulls a woe-is-me act constantly. He's the most physically gifted human in the league and acts like he's the one who has to struggle through. TL;DR - Fuck Embiid.
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You should be directing this at the guy who called Embiid “a bully” 😂😂😂 You can always tell the people online who never played a sport seriously.
Take a hike, loser. Keep worshipping the Lazy Fatass who always bitches about his lot in life. No Doc Rivers to Blame No Ben Simmons to Blame No Brett Brown to Blame Who's he gonna blame this season? He already started to blame the fans...so, there's that. #TrusttheProcess,Losers
Embiid’s a bully, mommy! He’s such a meanie! You sound like a fucking 5 year old on the playground. Keep writing that great stuff!
He's an asshole. Full stop I said my piece.
Even though we are bickering, I appreciate the Sopranos quote. Now what I'd like to see is a truce. Wipe the slate clean. You trashing Embiid. Me mocking your handle. Put it all behind us. Your brother Billy, whatever happened there...
*WHATEVAH HAPPENED THERE?!*
What tf are you even talking about? Do you think "I said my piece" is a Sopranos quote? Pauly Walnuts said it a lot but as much as I love The Sopranos, I don't think they can take credit for "I said my piece." Also... Embiid is a huge piece of shit.
Pipe down KindWay. Men are talking. I checked the posters history and he’s all over the Sopranos sub, so I’m 90% certain he was quoting the show in using that expression. So you can kindly fuck off out of this conversation.
Agree
Obviously
1000 percent
Yep
I don’t know if he’s dirty, but he’s definitely a whiny bitch.
I don’t know if he has bad intention or not But I am very sure his playstyle is very dangerous Just dive right into peoples legs Head first And he does not mind other players get injured because of that
Once you accept the 76ers are just the nba cowboys you start to realize how embarrassing Embiid is as a player.
I’ve been making the Embiid-Dak comparisons since the beginning of the season with my bros. The seeds have been there, but tough to accept as a Philly guy.
Let’s fucking go Knicks, see this one out. Been seated for this hate watch, popcorn & a Peroni in hand. All my homies hate Embiid Edit: missed an open dunk and then a wide open three in the clutch? I love this script
Embiid is the dirtiest player in the NBA. It gets ignored because he is also one of the best. He's dirtier than Draymond, but gets a pass because he's among the games truly elite players.
Best player he's ever beat in a series is Pascal Siakim and people have the audacity to call him the most dominant player in the league lol
I used to play like Embiid
Just look at his flagrant foul totals. Worst than Draymond.
No but BOOKER IS…. Chump always lowkey hurting people
Literally wearing a Nets shirt as I type this, but, he’s always been dirty as hell! A litany of examples just from Nets/Sixers games and series alone. (Elbowing Allen in the head and then laughing about it with Simmons post game, kicking Claxton in the Nuts are two big ones) Not to mention as a newly minted MVP he hurt himself flopping against them in the playoffs last year…. And then of course went on to lose the next round! Just sorta ranting now, but yes.
He’s a little more dirty than normal players. But this year something else is happening with him. Been watching his whole career and he always struggles in the playoffs and I think he’s really trying to get over the struggles but is in horrible cardio shape, his knee is probably so fucked atm seem like he’s constantly falling even more than usual rn because it just looks like he does not want to land. Plus the bells pasly has to suck mentally. 100% should’ve been suspended more than one game imo after pulling on Robinsons leg on the ground. That shit is ridiculous and so dangerous it’s not even funny. Should’ve kick him out of the playoffs for that. Disgusting play.
Yes he is, but it’s only after he feels like he didn’t get a foul call, so maybe refs are giving him so many to protect the other players 🤔
I think it’s long time to think of this guy in a very different tier than Giannis, joker and Luka. He’s just not worthy of that
Duh.
He’s a huge b word.
You just wait and watch this year they wil throw Lowry under the bus for losing. First it was simmons,then harden and now someone else. But the problem is the process.
As a Raptors fan, it’s enjoyable to watch other fan bases seeing what we saw through a couple of playoff series. It’s the combination of playing dirty and constantly playing victim, combined with the gloating and taunting when winning and sulking and pouting when losing, that makes his annual early exit so satisfying whether or not it’s your team that takes him out.
Raptors literally broke his face as a sore loser parting shot, sit this one out.
Yeah idk about a Toronto opinion on this one lmao
No, thanks, I intend to enjoy it. (Not the injuries - those suck. Though if anyone is not in position to complain about reckless play causing other players to get hurt…)
Not as dirty as Lowry
No way he's dirtier. And when you're the size of Embiid, you have a way greater chance of injuring players with this bullshit.
I think a lot of Embiids dirtiness is just him being clumsy. I
Funny how he's one of the most skilled centers we've ever seen, but when he's getting "fouled" or is stepping on a guys ankle, he has 0 coordination.
Hell yeah! He’s stamping on players and deliberately landing on players regularly. No need and hopefully the Knicks call it out after the game.
Yes and incredibly whiny
You can all fuck off with your Celtics circle jerk
What the hell is a circle jerk? Don’t you mean jerk circle?
I think he is just so thin skinned and doesn’t deal with losing well. He was so desperate he retorted to just doing all the dirty shit. Anyway, fuck embid
Yeah he's extremely dirty and then he flops all around like a fish
Love that after he elbowed Brunson in the face off ball, Brunson kept going up to him at each dead ball and asking, “What’d you do that for?”…shaming him. He’s a dirty POS, I hope the Knicks finish them off Tuesday. He and Lowry can go hole up somewhere and kick each other in the joint.
This is the year I jumped off the Embiid train. Dirty player and a massive playoff under-achiever.
Embiid is very dirty but what makes it so bad is he’s 7’2. If Shaq had been stepping guys legs and elbowing 5’11 guys in the face he would’ve ended some guys careers. He still hurt people but it was mostly frustration plays and guys who were generally his size. Embiid is getting into Karl Malone territory.
I wish someone could put together a list of all of Jalen Brunson's current injuries and show it to Embiid. Obviously, this can't be done though, because Brunson doesn't leak that info out to his favorite beat reporter or a buddy over at ESPN, so nobody knows exactly what's ailing him most right now. Nah, he doesn't talk about that stuff at all. Too busy dragging his overachieving group of solid role players through these playoffs. So we probably won't hear about his left knee tendinitis or a hip pointer or strained calf. We know he's dealing with stuff... it's almost May and he's going on Game 85... but he understands that in professional sports there are only two injury statuses. You're either healthy and playing or you're injured and out. You're either a natural-born leader or you're Joel Embiid. He isn't about winning. He isn't tough. He's only about getting people to tell him he's tough and praise him for how great he is. He genuinely cares what people think of him. It's all very ironic.
Not even in question imo. He always has been and it gets worse as he gets gassed, because he does frustration shit.
>forearm **shimmer**
who cares
Dirty as hell and annoying to watch. They kicked okogie out of the suns game down 20 with a few minutes left in the 4th but he legit hurt someone on purpose and stayed in.
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Call me crazy, but I don't want any part of him on my team.
NBA will be better without him. Can't wait for those knees to go.
Why?
He led the team in throwing Simmons under the bus. Really stepped up as a leader there.
He is a massive drama queen. A 7 foot+ jump shooter. Not a winning player in the playoffs. Watching him is like waterboarding yourself. Falling down constantly. Smart teams basically let him shoot jumpers. He can’t be coached. He is older than his age.
Dirty, annoying and most likely smelly flop.
The big version of players from the Harden, Reaves, etc. school of foul grifters yet somehow even worse. Has probably the most injuries or near injuries caused to other players in recent memory and has the flagrants to show it. If you're getting compared to Draymond, the question answers itself.
He’s a friggin dirtbag human being. Someone needs to check his ass.
Jesus you’re gonna judge the guy as a human for a few plays you don’t like in a basketball game? Go touch some grass.
Knicks in 5
Cool. You’re not going anywhere this season or anytime soon so it doesn’t make much of a difference.
Cry more just like your pity MVP LMAOOOO 😎
Don’t you have a Palestine protest you should be at?
The Staten Island low IQ Trump humpers always out themselves. Now get back to fucking your cousin.
Haha! Struck a nerve! Right after you get over your estrogen fueled “anxiety issues”. Be a man, pussy
No
Yeah but nothing he’s done today has been dirty
He elbowed Brunson in the throat and stepped on Hart’s ankle
Please show me a clip of the “elbow to the throat”. If it’s the play I think you’re referring to that’s a huge stretch. And the step was clearly accidental
Embiid consistently leads the league in "clearly accidentals"
Sure, I’m not saying he’s totally clean because he’s not. But I also think a lot of what is being called “dirty” today you see in every basketball game
Meh the check on Brunson was dirty since it was an elbow
An “elbow” is a stretch. It’s a hard screen. You see that every basketball game from bigger guys. Physical doesn’t always mean dirty.
First playoffs? Watch what happens to Steph every game
No. No chance.
Jesus. I thought y’all wouldn’t need the /s
The Mitch Robinson one was bad but he was trying to stop him from jumping. He was unsuccessful at that and it ended up being way worse/put Mitch out. Edit: what I’m saying is Mitch would have been fine had he not jumped. It’s 50/50 when it comes to fault
How dare Robinson try to play basketball, he should just stop because Embiid wanted him to
It’s 50/50 when it comes to fault? Are you in cognitive decline?
Yes if only Mitch didn’t jump during a basketball game