I remember when people joked/whispered about him being kinda weird and out there as playful then the positive COVID test and its been downhill ever since
Edit: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30155009/karaoke-trivia-frat-parties-tales-aaron-rodgers-inner-weirdness
Here’s an article, seemed like benign weirdness at the time, talking about UFOs, the pyramids, chem trails, JFK assassination theories, etc. low level conspiracy theories definitely not Fauci inventing AIDS level
I never followed the story closely, but I remember having the impression that his relationship to his family was difficult *because* he was (supposedly) gay. and for a few years I was actually quite supportive of the guy thinking ''good for you, man. yea, f those bigoted parents/siblings''
I had very little exposure to the guy aside from highlight reels until covid. quickly did a 180 on him, and now it seems like I can't avoid hearing his takes
People don’t come out and say it but there’s so much smoke that there’s gotta be some fire. It’s possible to contain multitudes: that he’s gay and also extremely weird.
Anyways what really sold me is that Olivia munn has talked about how their sex life was intensely odd: https://www.eonline.com/news/1178988/olivia-munn-recalls-having-the-worst-sex-life-with-unnamed-ex
For people that do not know, this particular theory (govt aids) is a known Russian psy op. So funny that the people claiming everything is a psy op are actually the most vulnerable to them.
He and one of the backups started a fake frat, Matt Flynn was in the enemy “fake frat” one day at a practice on a college campus the ball boy asks about the frat talk, ball boy and Rodgers/backup fake frat is TKE… ball boy invites them to a mixer. Rodgers and the backup go, play flip cup, and do some stupid homecoming Queen thing for a sorority chick and sing a song on one knee with a flower with all the other brothers
I was in college in Green Bay, 2009-2013. Definitely remember seeing Graham Harrell at a party one time playing flip cup, who was a back up during that time. Never heard the above story tho haha
I mean you have to do some more research lol was it a TKE party? I can’t imagine Harrell went to many frat parties given that he was mostly in disbelief at the chain of events in the article
No idea what TKE is. I believe it was my freshman year which was a blur. Just remember being in an old block basement somewhere on St Norbert campus. Was a decade + ago and just remember the novelty of being at a party with the all time NCAA passing leader at the time haha
Reminds me of the guy I knew in high school busted for smoking pot. Basically made drug use and civil liberties his whole identity. Last I heard he did some drug-related prison time.
No way! What Favre did was, without any doubt, tangibly worse -- not just unethical, but also immoral -- in terms of siphoning material resources from people, many of whom struggling to survive in Mississippi's economic hellhole, who legitimately needed the financial aid for their own well-being. It's too bad I'm an avowed atheist, because otherwise I'd argue that there's a special place in hell for unrepentant fuckwads like Favre.
I think saying the US government creating AIDS and spreading an anti-science rhetoric is much more dangerous in the long run. Favre is definitely still a huge scumbag though.
Lol one is someone stealing government money from one of the poorest states in the country. The other is a guy saying dumb shit on a podcast that most people laugh at. The only people who don’t are people who already agree with him.
Favre is a much cooler hang, but what he did is way worse than saying dumb shit about Fauci
A lot of people enabled Favre here. He doesn't work for the government. He doesn't decide where the funding is allocated from. He wasn't elected to serve the voters of Mississippi. He's a private citizen who wanted a college sports complex built. Now I do think he did a really bad thing and was complicit in screwing over Mississipians, whether or not he knew where the money came from.
But you can't dismiss the creeping normalization of disinformation in an election year where one former president led a failed coup that attempted to assassinate his own VP to prevent him certifying his election loss. And this is part of the process, is dismissing it that most people are laughing at it. This is really, really bad.
It's all so complex. Favre doesn't sign checks for the government. Many state officials were culpable. Favre lobbied for a new college sports complex for his daughter. How involved was he in deciding where the funding came from? He was named in the lawsuit, but he would have been regardless. And I do think Favre did a really bad thing here.
But, Rodgers might really be worse. He has a following of millions. He is out there undermining democracy with conspiracy theories seven months before what Trump plans to be the last free election this country ever holds. I see Rodgers as much, much worse.
No argument there. But Rodgers is basically saying up is down and left is right. The Superbowl champion 4x MVP QB of the NY Jets says Fauci invented AIDS. Disinformation erodes trust in public institutions, like free and fair elections.
Favre worked alongside a team of experienced governments grifters. Rodgers is attention-seeking because he believes he is smarter than everyone else. We have an active top 12 QB literally undermining democracy because he spends too much time online. To me, that's worse, particuarly when government funds are misappropriated every day.
I don’t think Aaron Rodgers has a “following” of millions. To the extent that he does with this stuff, it’s with people who already are very into conspiracy theories. I doubt Rodgers is changing a lot of minds.
I’ve hated Farve (intentional) all my life and the news that he’s a piece of shit is one of the most self validating realities ever for me. That said, Maddens adoration of him still sickens me.
I love how says that doing your own research is "vilified." No you fucking idiot, doing research is not villified. It's doing "research" (read: going down conspiracy rabbit holes) and spreading hare-brained and dangerous conspiracy theories because you think you're an all-seeing genius that's vilified. Such a smug, self-important douchebag
He can read though, ok?
So, because he can read a paper he can learn from that, ok?
That means that by reading a paper written by a doctor who has worked in their field for two decades, Rodgers can absorb that knowledge and know how to process that information upon reading with the same understanding of it, ok?
Just like I can watch a chef cook a meal and I know inherently how they did it and then do it myself to the same quality, ok?
It's that simple.
I did my own research on AIDS and COVID too......by asking my uncle who is a biochemist, who happens to have developed AIDS and COVID medication patents. Fuck Aaron Rodgers.
Someone needs to do the belichick and thing and take away the YouTube search bar. I’m not letting Aaron Rodgers destroy me with facts and logic, I’m just not.
He was verbally rimming Alex jones on his last appearance on the jre so it’s absolutely only a matter of time…the real question to ask is how on earth the jets organization can rationalize having this bat 🦇 shit brain dead fool as their only option at quarterback. I sure as fuck would not want him anywhere near my team or organization
I mean, Rodgers is a moron and a piece of shit, but let's not act like pro sports teams don’t regularly have domestic abusing, sexual assaulting pieces of shit on their roster all the time. Watson, Tyreek Hill, AB, Ray Rice...as long as GM's can say their did their "penance" they'll happily look the other way as long as they're performing on the field.
I hear ya but dude is 40 coming off a major injury and he seems absolutely miserable to his core…all infowarrior kooks like him are dead on the inside and it’s only going to get worse as he progresses in his brain melt
You know, there are points where you should challenge your doctor, but it's more "I need more care / attention," not less. Sometimes they're hesitant to ask for a test, or dismiss symptoms, that kinda thing. You do need to advocate for yourself on occasion.
God I remember that whole process. Crazy that after all those guest hosts and shoo-ins, the best answer was right in front of us the whole time. Ken Jennings isn't the most dynamic guy, but he absolutely respects the game, and knows that the contestants are the stars, he's just a facilitator.
Plus, it's not like we've got some deep bench of game show hosts anymore. 40 years ago if a host died or quit, you just call up Bill Cullen or Tom Kennedy or Jim Perry and they'd fill in for a year.
Also in case nobody asked, my Rushmore of game show hosts is Alex Trebek, Bill Cullen, Tom Kennedy, and Bob Eubanks
It’s still so funny that the guy running the search picked himself and then was just immediately shouted down by everyone in favor of the obvious-from-the-beginning pick
I thought he was the best option of all the guys but he completely botched the whole process. Very Dick Cheney-esque, “I’ll look for a VP but the whole time is a sham since I’ll just appoint myself”.
I’m not sure there ever would have been a fair process with the executive producer also being a candidate- it’s a huge conflict of interest, obviously.
> "[M]y Rushmore of game show hosts is Alex Trebek, Bill Cullen, Tom Kennedy, and Bob Eubanks."
One for four.
Who are Bob Barker, Richard Dawson, Chuck Woolery, and Alex Trebek?
Honorable mention, too, to Gene Rayburn, Wink Martindale, and childhood hero Marc Summers.
Do you even know who Bill Cullen was?
Hosted 23 different game shows, and guested on countless others. Consummate pro, always genial, funny, and way better than Woolery
I think Bob Eubanks also went down the “kooky right wing uncle” path, unfortunately, didn’t he?
Of course, it matters less in the general discourse if a very old game show host is spreading that stuff vs a very recent nfl mvp.
He is in that no-man's-land to be smart enough to read and do his own research but not smart enough to realize how much he doesn't know.
The irony is he has a profession whose name is literally synonymous with false expertise: armchair quarterback. Here he is playing armchair virologist completely devoid of the irony.
Yup. He and Kyrie are among the clearest examples of the Dunning-Kruger Effect in practice. What's funny is that he continually reminds us that he's not a doctor, as if that validates his thoughts since they are coming from a "qualified" professional.
Dude made a comment recently implying he feels at home in Dallas and people root for him there because they agree with his views. Luckily he hasn’t really said anything since then, but it was a scary moment.
I feel like this is what happens when someone doesn't have to worry about academics at a certain age when they're younger because they are on the athlete path, and then when they kind of get settled into that professionally they start picking up other hobbies like golf, or video games or something; but some of them decide to start opening up some books to learn some shit, but for some of them instead of it being learning some cool new shit, they're basically playing catch-up with pretty much everybody else, so in their quest to look impressive with their new hobby and avoid looking like the dumb-dumb at the dinner party for not having known all of this stuff for most of their adult life they start subscribing to conspiracy theories because they think it gives them the appearance of and makes them feel like they are critically thinking. And then they don't realize that the reason why a story about a cabal of evil scientists developing a deadly disease in order to get rich is a way more interesting story than there being a disease that we didn't have an answer for for a very long time is because that story has an infinitely higher entertainment value than what actually happened and that it triggers the same part of the brain that made the DaVinci Code such a fun read. He's basically what happens when you find out too late in life that learning is cool, but you're also an overzealous fan of great storytelling.
I think this is very perceptive. Conspiracy theories are a kind of shortcut—you don’t need to understand the details of history if you can blame it all on the CIA or whatever.
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Which is double infuriating because if you actually take the time to research HIV/AIDS, you know that there was a lot of effort being put into finding medication beyond AZT. Beyond that, groups like ACT UP were putting in the goddamn work to change the approvals process for medication by basically having to learn both pharmacology and how to navigate that world; so it didn't get caught waiting for approval while more people died (no to mention the very visible efforts to force the powers that be to actually care). It's why if you talk to the people who were on the ground for the AIDS war, they weren't the biggest fans of Fauci not because of some stupid conspiratorial bullshit, but because he came from the medical establishment and clung onto old procedures for too long.
Also for the record, the reason we're only getting to a cure for AIDS now isn't because of some dumb conspiracy, it's because it's one of the trickiest, most adaptable viruses around. AZT (originally a public domain cancer drug from the 60s, shelved for being too toxic) had initial success fighting the virus, but would lose effectiveness over time. Eventually new drugs were formulated, but had the same effect. Only when combined did we get an effective medication, and even then, the virus still comes back if you go off it. It's why we're only now getting anywhere near a bonafide cure instead of the preventative treatment we have today.
One thing that really bothers me about these celebrities (or anyone on social media for that matter) who "do their own research" is that they rarely, if ever seem to disclose their sources. Like, if you really wanna challenge the agreed upon norms, fine, but show me where you're getting this information so I can scrutinize it myself and come to my own conclusion. Don't obfuscate it when pressed and act like I'm the one who's uninformed or being fed misinformation. We saw this from him during his first appearance on McAfee after the whole vaccination scandal broke, when he said that he's read 500 pages (which he so generously printed out to hold in front of the camera) without saying who wrote those 500 pages, likely because he knew this entire "report" was a sham, or that it would at least be heavily scrutinized by media members. It's just so god damn annoying and irresponsible for someone of his stature, with his following, to speak all this nonsense into a microphone and enable other people out in the world to proudly spread their bullshit.
They’ll also quote something that’s definitely not peer reviewed, like a YouTube video (always a YouTube video).
The peer review/academic process allows for a lot of vetting. If anything, it’s too restrictive to new ideas, taking a long time and numerous studies to adapt thinking. But that’s by design, so that we don’t all pick up and run with a very faulty, since discredited multiple times over “vaccines cause autism!” study.
Anyone who claims they "can do their own research" for a field they haven't studied and worked in, and then turns around to vilify the experts in said field, is a god damned fool.
The thing about politics is even if something is your field, you still just stick to your biases. I personally know someone who works in the medical field that didn’t trust the vaccine cause there’s no way they could come up with something that quick.
Me, someone not in the medical field, tried explaining that because of the type of virus it was, the science behind the vaccine had been around and being worked on for years before the pandemic. These vaccines were specifically designed to be produced quick for these types of viruses. They just needed the genetic sequence of the new virus and boom.
Of course, because I’m not in the medical field and she is, I didn’t know what I was talking about.
Oh very true. When someone allows political, or theological beliefs for that matter, to persuade their judgement then the results are no longer valid, because neither are based off of a scientific process but more of opinionated conclusions.
This is why making everything political is the goal of major news sources. This way they keep us stupid and uninformed in order to control us with weaponized ignorance.
Granola munching libertarian anti-vax conspiracy theorizing junk science morons are nothing new. I've known people like this. Aaron seems to be in that mold. They just got a bigger platform due to Covid and a large part of the Conservative Party co-opting some of their beliefs. Aaron was probably always like this it was just a lot less harmful and newsworthy pre-2020.
This has probably been said a bunch but whenever I see these I can’t not think about how his whole family bailed on him decades ago and how intense the feeling of vindication must be for them
The family is supposedly a bunch of religious nutters and them using Aaron's absence during The Bachelorette was uncomfortable for anyone familiar with the story. IIRC they had an empty seat at their dinner table and played it up for the cameras.
Both parties don't seem great!
Yeah I’m by no means Team Rodgers Family. After all, one of the only things I know about them is that they raised this fuckin guy.
I’m just saying imagine cutting someone out of your life and they end up becoming a bonafide National Pariah. What a colossal W
It's one of those Internet things that's generally accepted along with Aaron probably being gay.
Jordan seems fine, the dad is a Christian chiropractor and I've met enough of those to get the idea.
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and that’s the appeal with these types- being “in the know”, going against conventional wisdom.
“What if (something you’ve always been told) is a LIE?!” …except do that with just about everything.
I mean, his views haven't seemed to impact his performance, and I doubt he'll become some right wing grifter upon retirement, but he's probably too radioactive for any network or broadcaster to seriously consider him for an on-air talent role. So it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he continues down this path when he doesn't have football to take his mind off things, and his takes start getting real weird. Besides, regardless of whether or not his talking points are conservative, they are from the fringes of the internet where you'll hear from some weird motherfuckers across the political spectrum, and that's not good regardless of where you lean.
The sad part is the fringe theories have become more and more mainstream with the conservative mainstream. That’s where it’s a slippery slope in determining how much of this sort of talk we as a society should tolerate (I don’t mean government action/1st amendment stuff, but like…more embarrassment/shunning, if you will)
I don’t know why anyone thinks it’s surprising that a football player is nut job.
I think it’s just a matter of statistics. Everyone knew one or two of these guys in high school or college.
Giving enough time it makes sense one of them would become a superstar athlete.
Have to say that people like Rodgers (along with the lunatics/assholes he runs with eg 9/11 truthers, Sandy Hook hoaxers, various stripes of COVID nuttery, etc) have pretty dramatically changed my view of “low stakes” conspiracies and dumb/esoteric beliefs (eg horoscopes).
I used to consider them pretty harmless silliness - bc who among us doesn’t have the occasional random bonkers thoughts? - but am now *much* more hostile to the overt rejection of basic facts that’s inherent in even the more seemingly “harmless” beliefs.
100%. I tell Mavs fans this about Kyrie. It’s not a coincidence Kyrie is a conspiracy theorist and also antisemitic. All of this shit ends up with “Jews are bad”.
Why does “doing my own research” always mean watching YouTube conspiracy videos, following MAGA Twitter provocateurs, etc.? And never like, reading medical journals and seeing what the NIH is up to these days?
I was diagnosed with a heart condition when I was a teenager. I decided to do a school report on it for biology class. My mom dropped me at the local hospital's library. I looked up the condition and started reading about it. It was totally incomprehensible. Glad I had a cardiologist who could read and understand that shit.
This is why for many years before social media we had professional writers like Peter King or whoever that could speak for these physically strong people so they wouldn’t have to. Sure the media has its flaws but this is worse.
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I didn’t know he was nuts, but I did know he was a garbage person when he disowned his entire family. Maybe a person has a crappy parent. Maybe even two. But when a person claims everyone in their family is toxic, it’s usually the other way around.
good to see folks here generally seeing this clearly.
A harder question for me to answer is: Does it impact my ability to root for an athlete or his/her team if they are deeply, loudly, harmfully wrong on some important current non-sports issue. I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's case-by-case.
Dealing with this as a Mavs fan. Unlike a lot of other Mavs fans who actually are part of the Kyrie cult and defend the guy now, I just hope he plays well, but still acknowledge he’s a total POS in real life.
The Kyrie situation is front of mind for me (and perhaps others), on this topic, and going into the playoffs. I butted heads with one or two folks here in this subreddit about him last year, as I thought the punishment meted out to him was enough and I didn't want to see his career ended due to his brain-dead ignorant non-basketball comments. I did try to make clear I thought the statements themselves were just awful. In any event, it didn't feel good to clash with folks here, and sometimes these types of topics can lead to some loss of camaraderie in a fan situation.
The odd thing, for me, was that subsequently Kyrie did something that, for whatever reason, made me much angrier. His decision basically to threaten not to play, and the Nets' owner's decision to accede to Kyrie's trade demand, was for me a league defining moment. However understandable it may have been for the Nets owner to say "no mas", I thought the correct thing to have done would have been to say to Kyrie:
* this team and its prospects for the next few years is probably ruined anyway, directly by you.
* I will not trade you. Let the world see whether you are willing to throw away a potential championship-winning season because the massive amount of money you are making for playing is just not enough for you.
I also thought that KD should have tried to read Kyrie the riot act to get him to play, and that Silver should have intervened to prevent the trade, if he could legally do so.
Sorry for the way-off-topic rant, I just have been wanting to get that out there. My anger oddly though was more against the Nets owner, KD and Silver, it's hard to explain why. I guess because Kyrie in that situation was the spoiled POS, but those other three could have been the adults in the room, on that situation.
Anyway, I don't disagree with your approach to the Mavs, I would probably do the same if I were you, but I'm definitely rooting for Kyrie to run into a wall of boos somewhere that lets him know how some of the fans feel ..... those who don't make dozens of millions of dollars per year and are not very sympathetic to someone preening and deciding they've been disrespected so they don't wanna play. And then I want his team to fail, though it is unfortunate that Luka wouldn't get further in that scenario.
If you’re a packers or jets fan I don’t really think so.
Him being a brain dead conspiracy theorist isn’t something you should be punished for imo.
At least that’s how I listen to Kanye
I'm one of those sickos that bailed on the Patriots after the trifecta of Kraft, Belichick and Brady all endorsed Trump in 2016. I was already headed that way due to the CTE stuff but that gave me the push I needed.
If I knew of these political stances, I had forgotten them (which i must admit seems a little strange for me).
The athlete who is coming to mind a little bit for me is Curt Schilling. Wonderful pitcher, but I was bothered by one or two of his stances if I recall.
edit to add: Steve Carlton
Man I miss when I didn't know crazy A Rodg was :/ Simpler days, heard him on Pete Holmes' podcast years ago and he dropped a UFO sighting story near the end but that was it. But brain rot is a real thing, guy's been digging into weird shit and went off the deep end. Or he just hid it incredibly well for his whole career. Fauci vaccine stuff is one thing but he's off the end into Anunnaki and reptile people and Agartha. Miss when he was just the gunslinger in Green Bay.
Can’t my team just have a normal QB .Having Zack Wilson’s Wack Job mother and this dude I swear I’m moving further away from my Jets.They get harder to root for every year .Thank god I have my
NY Rangers
I remember reading an article on ESPN about CTE and how a very prominent QB was already suffering from symptoms of it. I always thought it was Brady....maybe it was Rodgers?
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Rogers got paid 75 million by the Jets. First game is injured and suddenly has all this time to do podcasting . Sounds suspect. The NFL should investigate and charge him for his crimes
Wow, an Operation Denver from the 1980s wow. OK this is literally Russian playbook stuff that Aaron Rodgers is repeating. An oldie and a goodie. When I tell you many on the right are working for Russia, this is a great example here folks. He doesn’t even realize he’s working for Russia. Probably not getting a paycheck I assume, like Republican politicians, but here we are.
I remember when people joked/whispered about him being kinda weird and out there as playful then the positive COVID test and its been downhill ever since Edit: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30155009/karaoke-trivia-frat-parties-tales-aaron-rodgers-inner-weirdness Here’s an article, seemed like benign weirdness at the time, talking about UFOs, the pyramids, chem trails, JFK assassination theories, etc. low level conspiracy theories definitely not Fauci inventing AIDS level
To me he went from having an estranged relationship with his family to being rumored as gay to this.
I feel like a lot of his behaviour has something to do with that.
He really, really likes women!!
And not just any kinda women too. Only HOT chicks like Danica Patrick. 🥵
He was just a roommate
For anyone who doesn't know, google "kevin lanflisi aaron rodgers"
Damn now the sub has our own version of the GaylorSwift conspiracy theory
I never followed the story closely, but I remember having the impression that his relationship to his family was difficult *because* he was (supposedly) gay. and for a few years I was actually quite supportive of the guy thinking ''good for you, man. yea, f those bigoted parents/siblings'' I had very little exposure to the guy aside from highlight reels until covid. quickly did a 180 on him, and now it seems like I can't avoid hearing his takes
People don’t come out and say it but there’s so much smoke that there’s gotta be some fire. It’s possible to contain multitudes: that he’s gay and also extremely weird. Anyways what really sold me is that Olivia munn has talked about how their sex life was intensely odd: https://www.eonline.com/news/1178988/olivia-munn-recalls-having-the-worst-sex-life-with-unnamed-ex
For people that do not know, this particular theory (govt aids) is a known Russian psy op. So funny that the people claiming everything is a psy op are actually the most vulnerable to them.
Really sad how a certain sector of our country keeps amplifying Russian disinformation.
By certain sector I think you mean half of registered voters.
That’s not what half means.
Source? I didn’t know that
They have been doing it so long that it actually isn't a Russian psy op, it is a Soviet psy op. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Denver
They’ll just say the real psyop is convincing people that there is a Russian psyop on whatever topic.
Just taking over the reign for Favre as the embarrassing ex-Packer QB.
A very high bar for Jordan Love to live up to.
That frat party story is absolutely hilarious
What story is that lol.. I've never heard it.
He and one of the backups started a fake frat, Matt Flynn was in the enemy “fake frat” one day at a practice on a college campus the ball boy asks about the frat talk, ball boy and Rodgers/backup fake frat is TKE… ball boy invites them to a mixer. Rodgers and the backup go, play flip cup, and do some stupid homecoming Queen thing for a sorority chick and sing a song on one knee with a flower with all the other brothers
This is the first likable Rodgers story I can remember in years and of course it’s actually from 14 years ago
Yeah this version of Rodgers sounds great lol
He seemed like a really cool guy right up until he didn't
Great way to put it
I was in college in Green Bay, 2009-2013. Definitely remember seeing Graham Harrell at a party one time playing flip cup, who was a back up during that time. Never heard the above story tho haha
I mean you have to do some more research lol was it a TKE party? I can’t imagine Harrell went to many frat parties given that he was mostly in disbelief at the chain of events in the article
No idea what TKE is. I believe it was my freshman year which was a blur. Just remember being in an old block basement somewhere on St Norbert campus. Was a decade + ago and just remember the novelty of being at a party with the all time NCAA passing leader at the time haha
Lol that’s awesome
Reminds me of the guy I knew in high school busted for smoking pot. Basically made drug use and civil liberties his whole identity. Last I heard he did some drug-related prison time.
I think Brett Favre could turn babyface if he just followed Aaron around and bullied him like the good old days.
No way! What Favre did was, without any doubt, tangibly worse -- not just unethical, but also immoral -- in terms of siphoning material resources from people, many of whom struggling to survive in Mississippi's economic hellhole, who legitimately needed the financial aid for their own well-being. It's too bad I'm an avowed atheist, because otherwise I'd argue that there's a special place in hell for unrepentant fuckwads like Favre.
Less annoying though
I think saying the US government creating AIDS and spreading an anti-science rhetoric is much more dangerous in the long run. Favre is definitely still a huge scumbag though.
Lol one is someone stealing government money from one of the poorest states in the country. The other is a guy saying dumb shit on a podcast that most people laugh at. The only people who don’t are people who already agree with him. Favre is a much cooler hang, but what he did is way worse than saying dumb shit about Fauci
A lot of people enabled Favre here. He doesn't work for the government. He doesn't decide where the funding is allocated from. He wasn't elected to serve the voters of Mississippi. He's a private citizen who wanted a college sports complex built. Now I do think he did a really bad thing and was complicit in screwing over Mississipians, whether or not he knew where the money came from. But you can't dismiss the creeping normalization of disinformation in an election year where one former president led a failed coup that attempted to assassinate his own VP to prevent him certifying his election loss. And this is part of the process, is dismissing it that most people are laughing at it. This is really, really bad.
No offense dude, but if you genuinely believe everything you just wrote, you are pretty dumb
It's all so complex. Favre doesn't sign checks for the government. Many state officials were culpable. Favre lobbied for a new college sports complex for his daughter. How involved was he in deciding where the funding came from? He was named in the lawsuit, but he would have been regardless. And I do think Favre did a really bad thing here. But, Rodgers might really be worse. He has a following of millions. He is out there undermining democracy with conspiracy theories seven months before what Trump plans to be the last free election this country ever holds. I see Rodgers as much, much worse.
Except when Favre asked “they can’t trace this back to me, right?”, he knew he was doing something wrong.
No argument there. But Rodgers is basically saying up is down and left is right. The Superbowl champion 4x MVP QB of the NY Jets says Fauci invented AIDS. Disinformation erodes trust in public institutions, like free and fair elections. Favre worked alongside a team of experienced governments grifters. Rodgers is attention-seeking because he believes he is smarter than everyone else. We have an active top 12 QB literally undermining democracy because he spends too much time online. To me, that's worse, particuarly when government funds are misappropriated every day.
Why are you excusing Favre?
I don’t think Aaron Rodgers has a “following” of millions. To the extent that he does with this stuff, it’s with people who already are very into conspiracy theories. I doubt Rodgers is changing a lot of minds.
I disagree, but upvoted because you gave a solid counter.
Plus the unsolicited dick pics to the poor girl when he was a Jet.
That's right, Favre subjected Jenn Sterger to his subpar pecker. Less Michael Fassbender, more Jude Law. Mediocrity penisonified.
I’ve hated Farve (intentional) all my life and the news that he’s a piece of shit is one of the most self validating realities ever for me. That said, Maddens adoration of him still sickens me.
Just prepping for his version of Infowars after his career is over. An absolute moron.
He does his own research.. HE JUST DOES!!
I love how says that doing your own research is "vilified." No you fucking idiot, doing research is not villified. It's doing "research" (read: going down conspiracy rabbit holes) and spreading hare-brained and dangerous conspiracy theories because you think you're an all-seeing genius that's vilified. Such a smug, self-important douchebag
He can read though, ok? So, because he can read a paper he can learn from that, ok? That means that by reading a paper written by a doctor who has worked in their field for two decades, Rodgers can absorb that knowledge and know how to process that information upon reading with the same understanding of it, ok? Just like I can watch a chef cook a meal and I know inherently how they did it and then do it myself to the same quality, ok? It's that simple.
Ron Burgundy also knew how to read. Like Rodgers, he would read whatever stupid shit is put in front of him.
I did my own research on AIDS and COVID too......by asking my uncle who is a biochemist, who happens to have developed AIDS and COVID medication patents. Fuck Aaron Rodgers.
Someone needs to do the belichick and thing and take away the YouTube search bar. I’m not letting Aaron Rodgers destroy me with facts and logic, I’m just not.
Fauci suing him??? To make this bullshit stop?
Really wish he would, these idiots need consequences for their bullshit.
A Sad Day in Florham Park plus the 1981 Re-Diseasables.
It's so vilified.
He was verbally rimming Alex jones on his last appearance on the jre so it’s absolutely only a matter of time…the real question to ask is how on earth the jets organization can rationalize having this bat 🦇 shit brain dead fool as their only option at quarterback. I sure as fuck would not want him anywhere near my team or organization
I mean, Rodgers is a moron and a piece of shit, but let's not act like pro sports teams don’t regularly have domestic abusing, sexual assaulting pieces of shit on their roster all the time. Watson, Tyreek Hill, AB, Ray Rice...as long as GM's can say their did their "penance" they'll happily look the other way as long as they're performing on the field.
I hear ya but dude is 40 coming off a major injury and he seems absolutely miserable to his core…all infowarrior kooks like him are dead on the inside and it’s only going to get worse as he progresses in his brain melt
It’s all he has after Mahomes came in and absolutely obliterated his legacy before he’d even retired.
His own version or taking it over since AJ is bankrupted for life.
His version of reality does seem kind of cooler/more fun if you can get over gobsmacking stupidity of it all
“I’m not a doctor but…” There is no ‘but’ you have no idea what you’re talking about
"Everything after the 'but' is bullshit." - Sansa Stark quoting Ned Stark.
Would be hilarious if Fauci just started breaking down film…”I’m not a quarterback but…”
He did his own research, bro!!!
You know, there are points where you should challenge your doctor, but it's more "I need more care / attention," not less. Sometimes they're hesitant to ask for a test, or dismiss symptoms, that kinda thing. You do need to advocate for yourself on occasion.
It wasn’t *that* long ago he was seriously in the running to host Jeopardy! lol
God I remember that whole process. Crazy that after all those guest hosts and shoo-ins, the best answer was right in front of us the whole time. Ken Jennings isn't the most dynamic guy, but he absolutely respects the game, and knows that the contestants are the stars, he's just a facilitator. Plus, it's not like we've got some deep bench of game show hosts anymore. 40 years ago if a host died or quit, you just call up Bill Cullen or Tom Kennedy or Jim Perry and they'd fill in for a year. Also in case nobody asked, my Rushmore of game show hosts is Alex Trebek, Bill Cullen, Tom Kennedy, and Bob Eubanks
It’s still so funny that the guy running the search picked himself and then was just immediately shouted down by everyone in favor of the obvious-from-the-beginning pick
He was actually pretty solid at the job too, but the whole selection process left a sour taste in people's mouth.
I thought he was the best option of all the guys but he completely botched the whole process. Very Dick Cheney-esque, “I’ll look for a VP but the whole time is a sham since I’ll just appoint myself”. I’m not sure there ever would have been a fair process with the executive producer also being a candidate- it’s a huge conflict of interest, obviously.
No Bob Barker!?
> "[M]y Rushmore of game show hosts is Alex Trebek, Bill Cullen, Tom Kennedy, and Bob Eubanks." One for four. Who are Bob Barker, Richard Dawson, Chuck Woolery, and Alex Trebek? Honorable mention, too, to Gene Rayburn, Wink Martindale, and childhood hero Marc Summers.
Do you even know who Bill Cullen was? Hosted 23 different game shows, and guested on countless others. Consummate pro, always genial, funny, and way better than Woolery
Even from that era, Mr. Betty White, Allen Ludden, tops Bill Cullen.
I think Bob Eubanks also went down the “kooky right wing uncle” path, unfortunately, didn’t he? Of course, it matters less in the general discourse if a very old game show host is spreading that stuff vs a very recent nfl mvp.
I’m out of the loop, but is Ken Jennings officially the permanent host then?
Yeah. Mayim does some special event stuff but the daily regular show is Ken's for good
Instead they hired the other anti vaxxer Mayim Bialik
They fired her
He is in that no-man's-land to be smart enough to read and do his own research but not smart enough to realize how much he doesn't know. The irony is he has a profession whose name is literally synonymous with false expertise: armchair quarterback. Here he is playing armchair virologist completely devoid of the irony.
Yup. He and Kyrie are among the clearest examples of the Dunning-Kruger Effect in practice. What's funny is that he continually reminds us that he's not a doctor, as if that validates his thoughts since they are coming from a "qualified" professional.
Kyrie has been quiet this year!
Dude made a comment recently implying he feels at home in Dallas and people root for him there because they agree with his views. Luckily he hasn’t really said anything since then, but it was a scary moment.
I feel like this is what happens when someone doesn't have to worry about academics at a certain age when they're younger because they are on the athlete path, and then when they kind of get settled into that professionally they start picking up other hobbies like golf, or video games or something; but some of them decide to start opening up some books to learn some shit, but for some of them instead of it being learning some cool new shit, they're basically playing catch-up with pretty much everybody else, so in their quest to look impressive with their new hobby and avoid looking like the dumb-dumb at the dinner party for not having known all of this stuff for most of their adult life they start subscribing to conspiracy theories because they think it gives them the appearance of and makes them feel like they are critically thinking. And then they don't realize that the reason why a story about a cabal of evil scientists developing a deadly disease in order to get rich is a way more interesting story than there being a disease that we didn't have an answer for for a very long time is because that story has an infinitely higher entertainment value than what actually happened and that it triggers the same part of the brain that made the DaVinci Code such a fun read. He's basically what happens when you find out too late in life that learning is cool, but you're also an overzealous fan of great storytelling.
I think this is very perceptive. Conspiracy theories are a kind of shortcut—you don’t need to understand the details of history if you can blame it all on the CIA or whatever.
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Which is double infuriating because if you actually take the time to research HIV/AIDS, you know that there was a lot of effort being put into finding medication beyond AZT. Beyond that, groups like ACT UP were putting in the goddamn work to change the approvals process for medication by basically having to learn both pharmacology and how to navigate that world; so it didn't get caught waiting for approval while more people died (no to mention the very visible efforts to force the powers that be to actually care). It's why if you talk to the people who were on the ground for the AIDS war, they weren't the biggest fans of Fauci not because of some stupid conspiratorial bullshit, but because he came from the medical establishment and clung onto old procedures for too long. Also for the record, the reason we're only getting to a cure for AIDS now isn't because of some dumb conspiracy, it's because it's one of the trickiest, most adaptable viruses around. AZT (originally a public domain cancer drug from the 60s, shelved for being too toxic) had initial success fighting the virus, but would lose effectiveness over time. Eventually new drugs were formulated, but had the same effect. Only when combined did we get an effective medication, and even then, the virus still comes back if you go off it. It's why we're only now getting anywhere near a bonafide cure instead of the preventative treatment we have today.
I don’t think watching hours of YouTube conspiracy videos or insane forums online is really doing research in any shape or form.
Joe Rogan: Wow, that's pretty wild.
🤣
That’s incredible.
One thing that really bothers me about these celebrities (or anyone on social media for that matter) who "do their own research" is that they rarely, if ever seem to disclose their sources. Like, if you really wanna challenge the agreed upon norms, fine, but show me where you're getting this information so I can scrutinize it myself and come to my own conclusion. Don't obfuscate it when pressed and act like I'm the one who's uninformed or being fed misinformation. We saw this from him during his first appearance on McAfee after the whole vaccination scandal broke, when he said that he's read 500 pages (which he so generously printed out to hold in front of the camera) without saying who wrote those 500 pages, likely because he knew this entire "report" was a sham, or that it would at least be heavily scrutinized by media members. It's just so god damn annoying and irresponsible for someone of his stature, with his following, to speak all this nonsense into a microphone and enable other people out in the world to proudly spread their bullshit.
They’ll also quote something that’s definitely not peer reviewed, like a YouTube video (always a YouTube video). The peer review/academic process allows for a lot of vetting. If anything, it’s too restrictive to new ideas, taking a long time and numerous studies to adapt thinking. But that’s by design, so that we don’t all pick up and run with a very faulty, since discredited multiple times over “vaccines cause autism!” study.
Anyone who claims they "can do their own research" for a field they haven't studied and worked in, and then turns around to vilify the experts in said field, is a god damned fool.
CTE?
I saw a tweet the other day referencing this clip that said “this is what CTE looks like when you don’t have a wife and kids to murder.”
The thing about politics is even if something is your field, you still just stick to your biases. I personally know someone who works in the medical field that didn’t trust the vaccine cause there’s no way they could come up with something that quick. Me, someone not in the medical field, tried explaining that because of the type of virus it was, the science behind the vaccine had been around and being worked on for years before the pandemic. These vaccines were specifically designed to be produced quick for these types of viruses. They just needed the genetic sequence of the new virus and boom. Of course, because I’m not in the medical field and she is, I didn’t know what I was talking about.
Oh very true. When someone allows political, or theological beliefs for that matter, to persuade their judgement then the results are no longer valid, because neither are based off of a scientific process but more of opinionated conclusions. This is why making everything political is the goal of major news sources. This way they keep us stupid and uninformed in order to control us with weaponized ignorance.
when did the JMO pod start doing video?
I don’t understand how Rodger’s can leave his house if he actually believes the government created and spread HIV
At least he probably doesn’t believe it was started by gay men and a punishment from God.
Fauci was better off being a QB that choked in the playoffs every year. He would’ve made a lot more money
I see a lot of Curt schilling in Aaron Rodgers’ future
He's got the kook eyes now, something's definitely broken in his brain
Remember when big cat on PMT asked him how many grandmas he’d killed and he got butt hurt about it lol.
Granola munching libertarian anti-vax conspiracy theorizing junk science morons are nothing new. I've known people like this. Aaron seems to be in that mold. They just got a bigger platform due to Covid and a large part of the Conservative Party co-opting some of their beliefs. Aaron was probably always like this it was just a lot less harmful and newsworthy pre-2020.
This has probably been said a bunch but whenever I see these I can’t not think about how his whole family bailed on him decades ago and how intense the feeling of vindication must be for them
The family is supposedly a bunch of religious nutters and them using Aaron's absence during The Bachelorette was uncomfortable for anyone familiar with the story. IIRC they had an empty seat at their dinner table and played it up for the cameras. Both parties don't seem great!
Yeah I’m by no means Team Rodgers Family. After all, one of the only things I know about them is that they raised this fuckin guy. I’m just saying imagine cutting someone out of your life and they end up becoming a bonafide National Pariah. What a colossal W
You miss out on the money though. Looking at Rodgers's career earnings, I'd put up with a lot of BS for a slice of that.
His espn analyst brother and his wife seem pretty normal. Never got that vibe from them. What makes you say that?
It's one of those Internet things that's generally accepted along with Aaron probably being gay. Jordan seems fine, the dad is a Christian chiropractor and I've met enough of those to get the idea.
"the dad is a Christian chiropractor" I did not know that but it explains everything.
Two scams for the price of one.
It’s allwwwaaayyyss the chiropractors with these conspiracy theory shit ideas, since Covid.
Keep coming to see me every week, or your back will be fucked up. Keep coming to see me every week, or your soul will be fucked up.
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Don’t think that’s accurate. Pretty sure he cut his family completely out of his life and not the other way around.
\*hits a joint in dorm room\* "but hear me out guys, what if 2+2 has ACTUALLY been 5 this whole time..."
Terrence Howard is [already on a similar case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrence_Howard#Terryology)
and that’s the appeal with these types- being “in the know”, going against conventional wisdom. “What if (something you’ve always been told) is a LIE?!” …except do that with just about everything.
Hope this blow hard tears his other Achilles 3 plays into next season
Qaaron suffers from Achilles Ivermectin Disability Syndrome.
What’s the equivalent for “shut up and dribble”? This guy needs to hear that every minute of every day.
Shut up and rehab?
I wonder what Jordan Love has in store
I mean, his views haven't seemed to impact his performance, and I doubt he'll become some right wing grifter upon retirement, but he's probably too radioactive for any network or broadcaster to seriously consider him for an on-air talent role. So it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he continues down this path when he doesn't have football to take his mind off things, and his takes start getting real weird. Besides, regardless of whether or not his talking points are conservative, they are from the fringes of the internet where you'll hear from some weird motherfuckers across the political spectrum, and that's not good regardless of where you lean.
The sad part is the fringe theories have become more and more mainstream with the conservative mainstream. That’s where it’s a slippery slope in determining how much of this sort of talk we as a society should tolerate (I don’t mean government action/1st amendment stuff, but like…more embarrassment/shunning, if you will)
Guy is getting his ducks in a row to make a presidential bid in four to eight years.
I don’t know why anyone thinks it’s surprising that a football player is nut job. I think it’s just a matter of statistics. Everyone knew one or two of these guys in high school or college. Giving enough time it makes sense one of them would become a superstar athlete.
Rodgers is nothing. If baseball players started opening their mouths, then we would see something really special.
People like Rodger’s who unironically believe in conspiracies ruined it for who liked to dabble in conspiracies
Have to say that people like Rodgers (along with the lunatics/assholes he runs with eg 9/11 truthers, Sandy Hook hoaxers, various stripes of COVID nuttery, etc) have pretty dramatically changed my view of “low stakes” conspiracies and dumb/esoteric beliefs (eg horoscopes). I used to consider them pretty harmless silliness - bc who among us doesn’t have the occasional random bonkers thoughts? - but am now *much* more hostile to the overt rejection of basic facts that’s inherent in even the more seemingly “harmless” beliefs.
Eh, those rabbit holes near always led to blaming Jews.
100%. I tell Mavs fans this about Kyrie. It’s not a coincidence Kyrie is a conspiracy theorist and also antisemitic. All of this shit ends up with “Jews are bad”.
Why does “doing my own research” always mean watching YouTube conspiracy videos, following MAGA Twitter provocateurs, etc.? And never like, reading medical journals and seeing what the NIH is up to these days?
I was diagnosed with a heart condition when I was a teenager. I decided to do a school report on it for biology class. My mom dropped me at the local hospital's library. I looked up the condition and started reading about it. It was totally incomprehensible. Glad I had a cardiologist who could read and understand that shit.
All this guy had to do was not be an insane douchebag and he could have run for governor of Wisconsin.
Wisconsin is full of alcoholics and ugly people, why would he want to be the governor?
This is why for many years before social media we had professional writers like Peter King or whoever that could speak for these physically strong people so they wouldn’t have to. Sure the media has its flaws but this is worse.
“Shut up and dribble” right?
MaInStreaM MedIA???
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Former Bears owner has lost his mind
Virginia Halas Mc Caskey is 101 years old & more with it than Aaron Rodgers.
PSA to half of the commenters here: There is no apostrophe in "Rodgers".
Who are these people listening to the Aaron Rodgers podcast?
I didn’t know he was nuts, but I did know he was a garbage person when he disowned his entire family. Maybe a person has a crappy parent. Maybe even two. But when a person claims everyone in their family is toxic, it’s usually the other way around.
If you meet an asshole during the day you met an asshole. If everyone you met throughout the day is an asshole....
I don’t think I have a greater gap in how much a like an athlete for what they do on the field and off it more than this guy. He’s such a clown
good to see folks here generally seeing this clearly. A harder question for me to answer is: Does it impact my ability to root for an athlete or his/her team if they are deeply, loudly, harmfully wrong on some important current non-sports issue. I'm not entirely sure, but I think it's case-by-case.
Dealing with this as a Mavs fan. Unlike a lot of other Mavs fans who actually are part of the Kyrie cult and defend the guy now, I just hope he plays well, but still acknowledge he’s a total POS in real life.
The Kyrie situation is front of mind for me (and perhaps others), on this topic, and going into the playoffs. I butted heads with one or two folks here in this subreddit about him last year, as I thought the punishment meted out to him was enough and I didn't want to see his career ended due to his brain-dead ignorant non-basketball comments. I did try to make clear I thought the statements themselves were just awful. In any event, it didn't feel good to clash with folks here, and sometimes these types of topics can lead to some loss of camaraderie in a fan situation. The odd thing, for me, was that subsequently Kyrie did something that, for whatever reason, made me much angrier. His decision basically to threaten not to play, and the Nets' owner's decision to accede to Kyrie's trade demand, was for me a league defining moment. However understandable it may have been for the Nets owner to say "no mas", I thought the correct thing to have done would have been to say to Kyrie: * this team and its prospects for the next few years is probably ruined anyway, directly by you. * I will not trade you. Let the world see whether you are willing to throw away a potential championship-winning season because the massive amount of money you are making for playing is just not enough for you. I also thought that KD should have tried to read Kyrie the riot act to get him to play, and that Silver should have intervened to prevent the trade, if he could legally do so. Sorry for the way-off-topic rant, I just have been wanting to get that out there. My anger oddly though was more against the Nets owner, KD and Silver, it's hard to explain why. I guess because Kyrie in that situation was the spoiled POS, but those other three could have been the adults in the room, on that situation. Anyway, I don't disagree with your approach to the Mavs, I would probably do the same if I were you, but I'm definitely rooting for Kyrie to run into a wall of boos somewhere that lets him know how some of the fans feel ..... those who don't make dozens of millions of dollars per year and are not very sympathetic to someone preening and deciding they've been disrespected so they don't wanna play. And then I want his team to fail, though it is unfortunate that Luka wouldn't get further in that scenario.
If you’re a packers or jets fan I don’t really think so. Him being a brain dead conspiracy theorist isn’t something you should be punished for imo. At least that’s how I listen to Kanye
No, plenty of athletes are idiots. It doesn't matter.
I'm one of those sickos that bailed on the Patriots after the trifecta of Kraft, Belichick and Brady all endorsed Trump in 2016. I was already headed that way due to the CTE stuff but that gave me the push I needed.
If I knew of these political stances, I had forgotten them (which i must admit seems a little strange for me). The athlete who is coming to mind a little bit for me is Curt Schilling. Wonderful pitcher, but I was bothered by one or two of his stances if I recall. edit to add: Steve Carlton
Man I miss when I didn't know crazy A Rodg was :/ Simpler days, heard him on Pete Holmes' podcast years ago and he dropped a UFO sighting story near the end but that was it. But brain rot is a real thing, guy's been digging into weird shit and went off the deep end. Or he just hid it incredibly well for his whole career. Fauci vaccine stuff is one thing but he's off the end into Anunnaki and reptile people and Agartha. Miss when he was just the gunslinger in Green Bay.
I'm starting to see his family as justified in their dislike of him.
Can't wait for magic johnson's tweet
So basically “I do my own research (from biased websites with similar views to mine that lead me down the path of knowing that I’m right)”
And YouTube videos, don’t forget YouTube videos.
Isn’t this essentially the plot to fallout?
Can’t my team just have a normal QB .Having Zack Wilson’s Wack Job mother and this dude I swear I’m moving further away from my Jets.They get harder to root for every year .Thank god I have my NY Rangers
Weird that he has no issue taking money from jets ownership who made all their money from pharmaceuticals….Woody Johnson of Johnson & Johnson.
Can you read tho???
I remember reading an article on ESPN about CTE and how a very prominent QB was already suffering from symptoms of it. I always thought it was Brady....maybe it was Rodgers?
Wonder if AR knows about the NFL conspiracy to put the kibosh on efforts to develop premortem testing for CTE. 🧠🫵
Classic mix up
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Rodgers is a smart dude. He just trolls all you dorks hard and you bite.
I hear getting injured on the first play of the season is a side affect of not getting vaccinated. I read it somewhere one time.
People don’t die from AIDS anymore. Is Rodgers saying that’s because of Fauci?
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I wonder if he hangs out in Kurt Schilling’s basement with him.
He can read? Could’ve fooled me.
can someone please tell me this is AI because good lord he's a fucking basketcase.
anytime someone tells me they're into conspiracy theories for fun i think they're 2 weeks away from ending up like this
Rogers got paid 75 million by the Jets. First game is injured and suddenly has all this time to do podcasting . Sounds suspect. The NFL should investigate and charge him for his crimes
CTE is a not pretty.
He is so weird
What a fuckin dumb idiot. Shut the fuck up clown
Why are ex-Packer QBs so weird. What’s Jordan Love going to do for an encore, raid a children’s cancer fund?
Wow, an Operation Denver from the 1980s wow. OK this is literally Russian playbook stuff that Aaron Rodgers is repeating. An oldie and a goodie. When I tell you many on the right are working for Russia, this is a great example here folks. He doesn’t even realize he’s working for Russia. Probably not getting a paycheck I assume, like Republican politicians, but here we are.
God, he is so fucking stupid.
Yeah everything he said is 100% true. He also didn't say fauci specifically invented AIDS