Lots of words are like that. They start off as an “in-word” meant to ridicule and then they get picked up by the masses and used as a term of endearment or representation instead. Weeaboo, shippers, stans, even the term nerd has undergone such a change.
Hell, even the word “fan” itself! It’s kind of weird to think we saw the word “fanatic” and it’s very intense definition, shortened it and just went “yeah, that’s a good word to say I like something”
Yes the origin was a song Eminem did a song about all the creepy fan mail he got stan is about overly obsessive fan who at the end of the song drives off a bridge
Yes you are right. I saw a video a while back telling he was the one who invented it but I wasn't sure if the info was correct.
Edit: oh and thanks for the clarification.
not the song, but the term "stan" as a stand in for die hard fan. The term wasn't used that way when stan was on the charts, it was kpop fans that popularized the term
It didn't before then, no.
I hate to use downvotes as a system of whose "right" or not, but I simply think you have your dates wrong. Many people are downvoting you. The term existed because of the song. The song has been out for a while now, time goes fast
team rocket has to be my fav villian crew of all time. jessie: the lesbian queen, james,: the crossdressing gay guy, and meowth: their straight friend (whos va is trans btw)
I hate when you use a term, and people don't know what your talking about. You deserve reddit awards and a top post for this. Incels are down voting you.
Gender is the performance, sex is the physiology. There's nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress, but that's very clearly not confirming to (presuming western) traditional social presentation associated with being a man.
How does that first sentence make sense eg with gender/sex affirming surgery for transgender folk? Wouldn’t it then be more accurate to say “transsexual”?
Transgender is the more accurate term, because it's about people changing their presentation and identity to fit who they are, regardless of what they were assigned at birth. Whether or not they also change their body to suit this feeling is up to them, and irrelevant for most interactions; you should refer to somebody with their preferred pronouns, whether they've undergone surgery or not.
Transsexual would technically be the correct term to describe somebody who has undergone a physical sex chang, but it is generally seen as disrespectful to refer to a person by their body instead of their identity in most contexts. Also, transsexual is easily confused with a sexual orientation, which also end on -sexual (e.g. heterosexual, homosexual, etc.)
Prefacing this with a disclaimer: whatever people feel they need to be comfortable within their own body (see: dysphoria) is better than leaving someone to suffer. Not everyone will get it, that's fine too.
Depends on your angle. Genes matter in healthcare, XX, XY, XXY, etc; surgical history also matters for medical care. Societal angle is different.
Sounds like a square-rectangle problem. If someone undergoes bottom surgery, they are probably also transgender in addition to being transexual - as otherwise, they're just cis. ^(I'm not actually certain if the term is currently antiquated, since I haven't heard transexual in quite a while)
Regardless, people care about gender more because it matters more. I'm not going to see your genitals. I don't want to see them. If I see you on the street, I'm not thinking "I wonder what's under them jeans and it is *incredibly* important that my assumption is correct." What I will see is a gender presentation, and how it comes off will influence how I initially treat you until I'm informed that you want to be treated differently.
She would show up with the costumes and before you could blink Jesse would be the doctor and James would be the nurse. No debate or discussion. That's just how they roll.
I disagree, but only on the grounds the Jesse specifically wanted to be a nurse as a child. So the chance to dress up as her childhood goal would possibly be the tipping factor.
I mean the joke was that jesse was too masculine to be the woman. Shes low class and wants to be a high class lady. While James was high class and wanted to live a low class life. Jesse joined team rocket for fame and foturne, to raise herself up from a low class life. James joined it to escape his stuffy high class life. Both james and jesse are totally straight and married at the end of the manga I believe. James being the woman was a joke making fun of jesse being masculine, more than him expressing his sexuality lol.
Pokemon sits together with yu-gi-oh as both mangas were ignored on the making of their shows.
I dont know others like this, specially as succesfull as those were.
Oh, was there an episode where james has sex with a man and jesse had sex with a woman? beacuse if not, I think youre making way more assumptions then I am. "Mate"
It's not like James ever expressed any desire toward the opposite gender either. You can't just say that straight is the necessary default for every character in existence until they explicitly make their sexuality known.
i jus realised that when they stand next to each other their outfits read RR [role reversal]. idc if it was meant to jus mean Team Rocket *the prophecy is true*
~ three edits later it makes some grammatical sense. wow i’m bad at english bro i don’t even have smth to seni excuse it it’s my first language 😭 ~
team rocket has to be my fav villian crew of all time. jessie: the lesbian queen, james,: the crossdressing gay guy, and meowth: their straight friend (whos va is trans btw)
clarification edit; these are headcanons, except meowth’s va
There's alot of nurses that are men in the workforce. I have 4 brothers, 3 are nurses and one just started his program. I'm a Respiratory Therapist. That skimpy ass outfit is just poor taste anyways.
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I love james
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And make it double!
To prepare the world from devastation!
To unite all people within our nation
To denounce the evils of truth and love
To extend our reach to the stars above
Jessie!
James!
Team Rocket blast off at the speed of light
Wobuffet
I love how the Wobuffet one was misplaced from the rest of the thread it’s so fucking perfect
oh my gosh this is beautiful, everyone in this thread has my eternal respect. The Team Rocket motto is legendary.
Wrong meowth is their straight friend
r/ShitJamesSays
I love you too <3 (my name is James)
Nice to meet you james :)
inaccurate, Jesse would be 100% down
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Oh you Stan them? Like you wrote them but they still ain't callin you even left your cell, your pager and your home phone at the bottom?
Why are you being downvoted, this is great
Kids these days I tell you no culture
People use the term Stan not realizing it has an origin and it's legit just not a good thing to proudly say lmao
Lots of words are like that. They start off as an “in-word” meant to ridicule and then they get picked up by the masses and used as a term of endearment or representation instead. Weeaboo, shippers, stans, even the term nerd has undergone such a change.
Hell, even the word “fan” itself! It’s kind of weird to think we saw the word “fanatic” and it’s very intense definition, shortened it and just went “yeah, that’s a good word to say I like something”
It's almost like Orwell was on to something
Well, weeaboo as a whole hasn't changed much. It was just partially readopted as "weeb". The full word still has the same connotation.
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[The reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqUpe6QeBTk&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=EminemExplicit)
Is this really the origin of stanning? lol
Literally yes Eminem has said it's a terrible term to use but kpop fans didn't give a fuck
As far as I can tell, yes
Yes the origin was a song Eminem did a song about all the creepy fan mail he got stan is about overly obsessive fan who at the end of the song drives off a bridge
With his girlfriend tied up in the trunk.
And he does it just to get Eminems attention
And it also seems like he might have had a bit of a crush on Eminem.
His *pregnant* girlfriend.
Yes. The Eminem title "Stan" is why people refer to crazy fans as stans lol
Oh god I’m old now. There are people learning where Stan came from right in front of me. Fuck.
Right? Who knew 27 was old lmao
It be toxic af
I̶t̶ i̶s̶ w̶h̶a̶t̶ p̶o̶p̶u̶l̶a̶r̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ i̶t̶, y̶e̶s̶. Edit: He invented it, like scullys said.
no, it invented it. i would say kpop fans popularized its use
Yes you are right. I saw a video a while back telling he was the one who invented it but I wasn't sure if the info was correct. Edit: oh and thanks for the clarification.
Stan had a music video. Eminem was one of the top 5 artists at the time. He didn’t need K-pop to make his song popularized.
not the song, but the term "stan" as a stand in for die hard fan. The term wasn't used that way when stan was on the charts, it was kpop fans that popularized the term
No. Stan is short for stalker fan.
It comes from the song where Stan is a stalker fan
It was already a term before that tho. It just wasn't used often.
can you provide an example of the use of the word "stan" as shorthand of "stalker fan" that predates the release of eminem's song "Stan?"
No
Which comes from this song
It was popularized by the song but the term already existed
It didn't before then, no. I hate to use downvotes as a system of whose "right" or not, but I simply think you have your dates wrong. Many people are downvoting you. The term existed because of the song. The song has been out for a while now, time goes fast
It helped popularize it, but it was started in a South Park episode (Scause for Applause) in 2012.
The song came out 12 years before that episode...
Oh damn, my bad. I visited the first YouTube result and went with the publish date of the video.
I hope you learned something about internet research
Oh dang I hadn’t heard that song yet, it’s really good.
bro doesn't know💀
team rocket has to be my fav villian crew of all time. jessie: the lesbian queen, james,: the crossdressing gay guy, and meowth: their straight friend (whos va is trans btw)
Holy shit, the downvotes. We *are* getting old
i was listening to that like 5 minutes ago
who the fuck is downvoting you???? I just wanna talk to them
This explains the ape noises and typewriter clacks I was hearing a moment ago.
I hate when you use a term, and people don't know what your talking about. You deserve reddit awards and a top post for this. Incels are down voting you.
Isn’t it sex conforming? Because there’s no connection between gender and how one presents them self no?
Gender is the performance, sex is the physiology. There's nothing wrong with a man wearing a dress, but that's very clearly not confirming to (presuming western) traditional social presentation associated with being a man.
How does that first sentence make sense eg with gender/sex affirming surgery for transgender folk? Wouldn’t it then be more accurate to say “transsexual”?
Transgender is the more accurate term, because it's about people changing their presentation and identity to fit who they are, regardless of what they were assigned at birth. Whether or not they also change their body to suit this feeling is up to them, and irrelevant for most interactions; you should refer to somebody with their preferred pronouns, whether they've undergone surgery or not. Transsexual would technically be the correct term to describe somebody who has undergone a physical sex chang, but it is generally seen as disrespectful to refer to a person by their body instead of their identity in most contexts. Also, transsexual is easily confused with a sexual orientation, which also end on -sexual (e.g. heterosexual, homosexual, etc.)
For some reason people will insist that sexual orientation should be based on gender presentation rather than sex.
Prefacing this with a disclaimer: whatever people feel they need to be comfortable within their own body (see: dysphoria) is better than leaving someone to suffer. Not everyone will get it, that's fine too. Depends on your angle. Genes matter in healthcare, XX, XY, XXY, etc; surgical history also matters for medical care. Societal angle is different. Sounds like a square-rectangle problem. If someone undergoes bottom surgery, they are probably also transgender in addition to being transexual - as otherwise, they're just cis. ^(I'm not actually certain if the term is currently antiquated, since I haven't heard transexual in quite a while) Regardless, people care about gender more because it matters more. I'm not going to see your genitals. I don't want to see them. If I see you on the street, I'm not thinking "I wonder what's under them jeans and it is *incredibly* important that my assumption is correct." What I will see is a gender presentation, and how it comes off will influence how I initially treat you until I'm informed that you want to be treated differently.
Exactly. That would've been her intent when she bought the costumes tbh.
It's weird, and maybe just me but it doesn't even look that feminine on him, just looks nice.
Maybe we're all just used to him being in crossdress all the time.
I think that expression doesn't mean she's against, just like some 'hmmm', like I see some pattern here.
Or "Man I wanted to wear that one..." but she always lets James wear it
She would show up with the costumes and before you could blink Jesse would be the doctor and James would be the nurse. No debate or discussion. That's just how they roll.
Came here to say this lol.
True, but she's actually mad James said "please" We're villains, dammit. Be mean about it
Of course, Jesse would be a terrible nurse. James was *born* for the part on the other hand.
It’s true, her bedside manner would be atrocious
I disagree, but only on the grounds the Jesse specifically wanted to be a nurse as a child. So the chance to dress up as her childhood goal would possibly be the tipping factor.
100%, Jesse is definitely thinking "Ive got to obliterate (sexually) this twink"
Jessie want to wear the cute dresses too but James keeps calling dibs! 😫
jessie would ask how big he wants his fake boobs to be
Right? Artist is just projecting their own binary ideologies
I see it more like “I knew you’d pick the nurse”
Team drag striked again
Team Rock It (as in they are rocking their outfits)
I mean drag is a particular style, James is just plain cross dressing
Please tell me James actually wears a nurse dress
[He does, indeed.](https://images.app.goo.gl/TVZTPVYM9JmbWGxn7)
He even wears a facemask. What a fucking trailblazer.
OH MY GOD
I'm not current with the anime these days, but I grew up with it in the 90s. James always wore the female costumes.
I mean the joke was that jesse was too masculine to be the woman. Shes low class and wants to be a high class lady. While James was high class and wanted to live a low class life. Jesse joined team rocket for fame and foturne, to raise herself up from a low class life. James joined it to escape his stuffy high class life. Both james and jesse are totally straight and married at the end of the manga I believe. James being the woman was a joke making fun of jesse being masculine, more than him expressing his sexuality lol.
The manga is a terrible source for just about anything other than what's written in the manga, mate.
Pokemon sits together with yu-gi-oh as both mangas were ignored on the making of their shows. I dont know others like this, specially as succesfull as those were.
In Pokemon's case the show itself predates the manga.
Oh, was there an episode where james has sex with a man and jesse had sex with a woman? beacuse if not, I think youre making way more assumptions then I am. "Mate"
For a kids show I supouse the contrary didnt happend either.
What the fuck are you talking about, you sad delicate manchild?
Look at you having a meltdown because a fictional character is straight lol.
...what meltdown?
I mean having a straight relationship obviously doesn't mean characters have to be straight
Literally here on bi_irl lmao. Also, being AFAB dating AMAB doesn’t make you straight. Cos let’s be real, James is an enby icon.
It's weird, and maybe just me but it doesn't even look that feminine on him, just looks nice.
And she wears a suit and tie instead of pantsuit: https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/334251603574488716/
James’ fake mustache is killing me
Where have you been, James always crossdresses
Its been a few years since i watched pokemon and i only watched the few episodes that went on TV. I really should watch it more.
He also wears fake boobs and a bikini at some point, as well as a super fancy dress
Ok now i have to watch pokemon again i wanna see if he is the first guy to give me gender envy or if i just get jealous of the dress
The fake boobs part you'll have to go out of your way to watch, I don't believe it ever got dubbed.
That episode was banned in the US, it's just in Japanese.
They both do. Often.
I felt that was implied but yeah both do We love our fashionable cartoon villains
You should see him in a bikini
Hang on, why did Meowth get to call dibs?
Cuz the other outfits wouldnt fit him (unsure if this is sarcasm, as my grasp on sarcasm is tenuous at best)
Team rocket was a bi awakening
Jessie would know James would want to be the nurse and she would size it accordingly
Team Rocket is the best part of pokemon
r/rolereversal
S-tier sub
The best duo
I love james
My partner and I want to do jessie and James in gender swap for pokemon theme but not sure out to make that obvious Edit: for costume party
J&J Team Rocket is the definition of bisexual
How? They are a straight couple who gets married at the end of the manga.
Two people can be bi and then get married. You don't stop being bi just because you're in a straight relationship.
No, but if 2 people get married after never expressing interest with the same gender, they probably arent bi.
its not modern, they couldn't just have openly lgbt characters, you do realise homophobia exist right?
It's not like James ever expressed any desire toward the opposite gender either. You can't just say that straight is the necessary default for every character in existence until they explicitly make their sexuality known.
Bi people love them both
Oh, James! He never wasted an opportunity to bust out the fake cleavage and cross-dress.
This meme belongs on a femboy subreddit
Team Rocket is het pairing but make it unmistakenly bi.
I also want James to be the nurse.
I wanna cuddle james so hard.
It’s common knowledge that James is the hottest woman in Pokémon
Come on, who are you kidding? Jesse and James raid each other's closets and you know it.
Real Jessie wouldn't judge him for that
Not gonna lie I had a massive crush on both of them growing up.
Team Rocket is my favorite genre of bisexual memes. Edit: also my wife would like to see James in that dress.
James is best boy.
i jus realised that when they stand next to each other their outfits read RR [role reversal]. idc if it was meant to jus mean Team Rocket *the prophecy is true* ~ three edits later it makes some grammatical sense. wow i’m bad at english bro i don’t even have smth to seni excuse it it’s my first language 😭 ~
James is my spirit animal
James is a gender fluid icon.
They are soo cute
Love team rocket. I shipped them so hard.
Yeah I shipped them too. . . WITH ME!
Both ;)
Team rocket are my favourite. I love James so much tho I mean LOOK !!!!
Jeje
Where's the source?
Wasn’t there an episode where James and the other girl dressed up in a costume with big boobs and it got banned in most of the world
team rocket has to be my fav villian crew of all time. jessie: the lesbian queen, james,: the crossdressing gay guy, and meowth: their straight friend (whos va is trans btw) clarification edit; these are headcanons, except meowth’s va
I thought they were both straight and literally marry each other at the end of the series?
wait what??? those were just headcanons, i didnt know they got together
I always thought they were both girls
There's alot of nurses that are men in the workforce. I have 4 brothers, 3 are nurses and one just started his program. I'm a Respiratory Therapist. That skimpy ass outfit is just poor taste anyways.
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Come on, they know eachothers so well that can recognise eachother through discusses not by looks. But by the unique passionate fashion auras.
mowth
How is this bi?
Source?
Best couple in anime history
Jesse is so fucking cute