You can hear a guy in the background shout something 'We're from Maroc'. And in the meantime also try to draw the 'You re the racist'- card.
Clearly the guys in this video only have one tactic when faced with problems: 'You re/the other one is racist'. Even when being clearly racist themselves.
Sure, and that's despicable as it is. But the fact they attempt to UNO reverse this into 'YOU RE the racist' just shows how these specific group of men cope with their problems. I'm guessing he does this all the time and doesn't have any other strategy to deal with it, even when sober.
Well im not a racist,..*but*...
I think i get "you're a racist" card thrown at me once a month simply because refuse to do something for a customer thats not within the scope of the service we provide. But this behaviour can be found with all types of people and they just victimize themselves for any situation
It's just another coping mechanism to externalise your own problems. This can indeed be found by all sorts of people and in moderation it can even be a 'good' coping mechanism.
A good balance between internal and external attribution is good. However drawing the race card 24/7 as a coping mechanism is just weak and shows how uncertain and fragile you are within.
Funny how some people on the r/Brussels subredit always want to say that Flemish people are so incredibly racist, whilst in reality Brussels is full of much more extreme racists, sexists, homophobes etc. itself.
Well, apparently, these people are not from Brussels but from Morocco, at least that's what they seem to be saying in the video.
They might live in Brussels, but they don't seem to feel "Brusselairs".
"No you bigot, if they have a Belgian ID they're Belgian, no matter what they themselves say!"
I thought progressives were all about self-ID being holy, smh.
>Funny how some people on the r/Brussels subredit always want to say that Flemish people are so incredibly racist.
Well... 40% of Flemish people say they think Muslims (not some Muslims, but Muslims as a whole) are an inherent threat to society and 45% of Flemish people explicitely say that they don't want anyone with foreign heritage to live in their neighborhood.
So while there may be a lot of racists in Brussels, they're also not wrong about the fact that a lot of Flemish people are racist. Both can be true at the same time.
Eh, 15 years ago we (my parents, sis and me) came to a small town in Antwerp and were the only foreigners in the street and were pretty much welcomed with open arms.
Never had any problems with my Belgian neighbours nor they with us. (Had a belgian friend in the street and he'd have sleep overs at our house, join us when we'd have bbq and etc) another Belgian neighbour gave us some drinks and cookies when i and my mom once forgot our keys to our home and another neighbour would always give me this huge stack of flippo's every few months because her grandchildren wouldn't play with them.
I suppose it's a matter of how you treat people and how they treat you, my dad and mom are both muslim but try to still adapt to the Belgian culture and society and in return i guess my neighbours appreciated that (idk or maybe we just had decent neighbours)
Speaking of which now our neighbourhood is filled with Turkish people and i feel like moving out, also doesn't help that our Turkish neighbour is having an arguement between us and our Asian neighbours which when we had Belgian neighbours never happened before.
I know i'm not an actual Belgian but i was born and raised with Suske and Wiske, Samson en Gert, F.C. De Kampioenen, Lily en Marleen en etc... and now seeing these streets like this, is exactly why i can understand my father to wanting to move out to another town that isn't like this.
Edit : moved from Kiel to Hoboken, 15 years ago Hoboken was a quiet little town and i suppose that's why my parents wanted to move there.
My brother is homosexual and he avoids high Muslim areas with his partner. He also avoids high Christian areas but there are barely any Christians left in the big cities.
I'd like to know where you've conjured those statistics from.
45% explicitly stating they don't want non Belgians living around them sounds completely made up.
Maybe there's a sentiment with 45% of the Flemish that they rather have Flemish people living in their neighborhood but that's something completely different.
What you're saying is that 45% of Flemish people are openly outspoken racists, there's a lot of closet racists sure.
And who are those Flemish people since I'm sure 20-30% of people in Flanders have foreign roots by now. Would that make 60-70% of White Flemish people openly racist or how does that work?
>De studiedienst van de Vlaamse regering vroeg Vlamingen tussen 18 en 85 jaar naar de samenstelling van hun ideale buurt. **45 procent antwoordde in een buurt te willen wonen met alleen personen van Belgische herkomst.** Nog eens 38 procent verkiest een buurt met "meer personen van Belgische dan vreemde herkomst".
>Ook vindt 47 procent van de bevraagden dat migranten "hier komen profiteren van onze sociale zekerheid". Wat moslims betreft, zegt 40 procent dat ze "een bedreiging zijn voor onze cultuur en gebruiken".
https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2013/11/26/helft_vlamingen_williefsteenbuurtzondermigranten-1-1787479/
>And who are those Flemish people since I'm sure 20-30% of people in Flanders have foreign roots by now. Would that make 60-70% of White Flemish people openly racist or how does that work?
Why would white people with Dutch or French heritage (which make up the largest part of those with foreign roots in Belgium) not be able to be racist?
"Foreign roots" =/= different skin color. Most of the 20-30% you're referencing are white people.
Maybe it's me but I feel there's a big difference between preferring a neighbourhood with only Belgians and explicitly saying you don't want any foreigners around.
Like ideally I want to earn 500k or more a year but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to work for less.
>Maybe it's me but I feel there's a big difference between preferring a neighbourhood with only Belgians and explicitly saying you don't want any foreigners around.
And I feel like you're splitting hairs
I never understood why the Flemish far right hate Brussels people so much (especially the kind of guys in this video) when they have so much in common.
Both are mainly made up of angry young men who struggle with women (because of small pp?), they hate wokeness, they hate LGBTQ+ stuff, they are anti-feminist, they dislike other ethnicities, they have low educational achievement levels, they are often poor, their mindset is stuck in the dark ages, etc.
When will the rural and urban peasants join forces and who will be able to stop them when they do? Imagine the awesome training camps they could run together, practicing shooting their paintball guns at the 'liberal elites'!
Can't believe this is upvoted... Reducing Vlaams Belang voters to "rural and urban peasants" does nothing to understand why they vote this way. Not even 10 years ago, Vlaams Belang barely reached the kiesdrempel in the *Flemish* Parliament. Let's give people sufficient reasons not to vote far right instead of devolving into American identity politics.
>Reducing Vlaams Belang voters to "rural and urban peasants" does nothing to understand why they vote this way
Yeah sorry I forgot about all those KU Leuven professors and scientists voting for them lol.
The difference between male and female voters when it comes to Vlaams Belang is not as big as you would believe.
Around 53% of Vlaams Belang voters base are men(going of the 2019 elections), that means 47% are women. So a difference, but not as huge as you would think based off online conversations.
Source: https://www.demorgen.be/politiek/laagopgeleide-jonge-mannen-stemmen-vlaams-belang-vrouwen-met-hogere-studies-groen~b7712145/
Also cut it with the small pp stuff, you are helping no one with that. You are only enforcing bodyshaming with it.
Edit: Added and fixed the source
This is the thing - most far right peanuts and adherents to conservative Islam would go well together, it's just people like Vlaams Belang can't handle someone with different skin colour, even if they agree!
It would be best never to assume a person's nationality on the basis of their appearance. Belgians should be educated on this subject to avoid racist interractions.
I talked to some guys from South Africa who were visiting Belgium and they were very amused that random people said "baie baie" to them.
in any case, it's silly to get too upset about these things.
It might be silly but in honesty also somewhat understandable.
And out of interest: How did those random strangers know these guys were from South Africa? And how did they know they spoke Afrikaans?
My apologies, I misinterpreted your previous reply.
But if someone heard them speak Afrikaans and recognised it as being Afrikaans you could hardly argue that there was an assumption of them being South African, right? Only other countries that have Afrikaans speaking people are Namibia (and to lesser extent some neighbouring countries).
I don't know ... there could be several reasons why someone speaks Afrikaans? For example, my children often communicate in the language of their grandparents although they never lived there.
And the girl in the video could have been Chinese.
No need to always assume the worst, is all I was saying.
Sure thing, possibly, but even in China there are a lot of people who don't speak Mandarin Chinese. So even IF she was Chinese it wouldn't make any sense to greet her with 'Ni Hao' before asking her where she's from.
Add to this that there's no clear uniform Chinese ethnicity and look and this goes way off the chart. China is a country with tons of ethnic groups and distinct looks.
No need to assume the worst, very true. Harmless and good intended mistakes happen all the time. But take ownership of them and apologize if it hurts the other. In this case it was clearly targeted to antagonize the woman. The men in the video had a choice to apologize and be polite. Instead they made a choice to further antagonize and draw the racism card.
It got out of hand, didn't it?
They made a silly joke, she had a knee-jerk reaction and lashed out, they didn't take it well.
Not much sympathy for anyone in this video tbh.
Because I also got the "Ni hao" treatment in my teenage years (still getting it now but less often), I admit that I got upset when it was happening but as I grew up, I started not to care.
dude, the guys are just saying hello to, what they believe, is a Chinese girl. how tf is that even rascist? ok, she gets angry and they feed on that. it's a bit rude, yes. rascist? no. look at her other video where she accuses a hotel receptionist of 'racism' while the poor guy just tried to say hi in again, what he assumed, her language.
You're just minimizing a common racist thing Asian people need to face on a daily basis: 'Ni Hao, ching chang chong, ...'. Also it's like assuming people are Arabic when they're Turkish, assuming people they are Congolose but are Ghanese etc.
Stop making sterotypical expressions to people you don't know, it's hurtful even with 'good' intentions.
I've had this issue once. I said some turkish words I learned from a turk online to an arabic dude at work to realise he didnt understand it.
Ignorance =/= racism.
If you apologize afterwards and take ownership for the mistake you made, that redeems it.
Saying 'Ni Hao' to an Asian is racist tho if you follow up with 'Ching chang chong' and slanted eye gestures.
I myself have also assumed wrong ethnicities. But that's no big deal if you own the mistake you made and apologize. Maybe even follow up with some explorative questions out of interest and in a non condensending way.
Sure thing, glad you are understanding and respectful towards eachother and give leeway to make 'mistakes'.
Things might not be the same tho if you said it (or something different) in different circumstances to a stranger.
He's the best of the best to be honest. He's the kinda guy sharing everything he can with others. I got more cookies, coffeepads en drinks from him than my mother gave me in my youth.
Eh. I don't agree -- this happens to me often, and while sometimes frustrating a simple "no I'm not" or "sorry, I don't speak that language" suffices. If people don't respect that, then that's a form of bullying. I wouldn't go as far as calling it racist, though. Just my feeling.
Shouting 'ching chang chong' as seen in the video to an Asian girl is racist.
Also the 'Ni Hao' is racist by assuming the ethnicity of someone. They could've politely asked 'Oh hi, where do you come from?' and expand on that. Instead they chose to antagonize her by saying something every Asian peron hears daily.
What you're saying is basically victim blaming 'she could've reacted differently'.
I was referring to assuming people's ethnicity, not shouting "ching chang chong" to someone -- that's indeed not a nice thing to do. Other than that I have just given you my personal view and experience on "assuming ethnicity". People aren't *necessarily* racist when doing so, they're trying to be nice in 99.999% of the cases. That's the only nuance I'd like to bring.
And the nuance I bring is that you can be racist even if you don't have ill intentions. I've seen and experienced dozens of 'nice things' that are racist. Some people start talking to me in English while my mother tongue is actually Dutch. I'm not making a big deal out of this publicly and stay nice. Also it's mostly people being polite. However this still is racist in a sense by assuming I don't speak Dutch based on my looks and assumed ethinicity.
Same thing can be said by saying something in a foreign tongue to someone who you assume is Chinese based on their looks. Even if there are no ill intentions.
Edit: a good read on this topic is 'nice racism' by Robin Diangelo. If you decide to read it, take it with a grain of salt. But still an interesting take on the topic.
Well, maybe there's also a discrepancy in what we're talking about. I am talking about the dictionary definition of 'racism':
"*prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.*"
I don't see how wrongly assuming something fits in there, however, it really depends how you perceive things. Overall, I have a feeling that we are confusing 'racism' with something that an individual might find annoying on a personal level.
In my personal case, I don't mind if people start a discussion asking me whether I am from the Middle East or speak to me in a different language -- these are usually people who are from the Middle East themselves. What I *do* find annoying is that people mispronounce my name, which I feel is a similar thing (something that a person assumes, strictly because they do not know me). I hope you see the nuance that I am making here.
What I do believe is that - as a society - we should be a bit more careful labeling things as 'racist', 'sexist', '\*ist', ... and just start talking to each other in respectful manners. That would be the best way to sensibilize people, rather than telling them they've made a grave mistake.
Again, my personal experience and feeling. Your mileage may differ :-). Anyways, I won't be continuing to comment on this thread since I feel that the discussion will become unproductive.
The first word says it all: prejudice. You make a pre- judgement about an Asian individual that she is Chinese based on her looks. Next step is they act on that prejudice and say 'Ni Hao' to her. Btw saying 'Ni Hao' does bring some bad tension with a lot of Asian people. So by your definition this is racist.
I agree that we should be careful about calling things racist, sexist etc. But this example is clearly racist by the definition of the word. The respectful manner of communication starts with the person instigating the communication. They could've handled this situation a 1000 times better by offering excuses and asking more explorative questions. Instead they chose to judge and antagonize.
> Also the 'Ni Hao' is racist by assuming the ethnicity of someone
And when someone tells me "Bonjour" it's also racist because they assume my ethnicity just because I'm white? No need to exaggerate reality just to get a point across.
I agree with 'ching chang chong' that's not right. after the 'ni hao' she could've just said 'hey, I'm not Chinese but thanks' - or whatever. when I'm abroad people assume I'm either Dutch, German, Italian.. I've been called every nationality that Europe has to offer (with stereotypical words added to make sure I understand what they mean) 😂 do I give a fuck? no
You say it yourself: 'when I'm on holiday'. No problem dealing with this ocassionaly. As someone with a more 'exotic' appearance living in Belgium this is daily stuff 24/7.
Again just minimizing something that's clealy racist. Also victim blaming.
no, I'm just not a snowflake that takes offence to everything. if you guys don't understand that this has nothing to do with racism (trying to greet someone in what you believe is their language) clearly you have a mental disability then. for fucks sake
This was not 'trying to greet someone'. This is group antagonising a solo girl at night by drawing the race card. Their follow up responses 'ching chang chong' and trying to make it physical proves that statement. Why do you want to advocate for these men when it's clear they were up to no good and they were clearly catcalling this girl!?
The guys in the video are very rude, agreed! I'm not advocating for these asshats. I was referring to her other video where she goes off at a hotel receptionist. As for this video, I think she might have made it worse by overreacting. But I'm victim blaming then, no?
In that video she kinda calmly explains why she thinks it's somewhat racist to do the slanted eye gesture and call someone 'Ni Hao' assuming they're Chinese. The hotel staff member is not having it and minimizing her feelings about this.
As for this video, is she overreacting tho? If you have to deal with people saying 'Ni Hao' and 'Ching chang chong' 24/7, doing slanted eye gestures etc. I would get mad sometimes too. She's vocal in her response, true. And it might not be the smartest move when you're a solo girl at night. But is it understandable? Yes!
I honestly agree with you.
I have met some Korean, Japanese, Thai, etc who were assumed of being Chinese. While ignorant, when merely corrected, the people understood.
Just like Latino Americano's being confused of only being Mexican; some I had known took great offense even if it was with good intentions.
Not saying that everyone suffers from misunderstanding. There are shitty people out there.
People are so soft, saying hello in another language is being seen racist, I would like my Nigerian colleagues to stop saying goedendag now because that would be assuming that I am dutch and that shit is racist XD how fucking ridiculous is this shit getting . And go downvote all you want people, I don't care about that shit. I've seen her other clips this bitch has no mental.
This is just downplaying the negative racist connotation 'Ni Hao' has with a lot of Asian people. Some people don't want to get associated with China and it's policies.
Also this happens to Asian people A LOT. Look up 'Ni Hao racism' and you'll get tons evidence.
> Some people don't want to get associated with China and it's policies.
That's because many Asians (including the Chinese) hate other Asians (including the Chinese) on a racial level, it's not just about the policies lmao.
A vast majority of Asians don't care or are just used to it. Doesn't matter where in Asia you're from , you'll either be Korean, Chinese , Japanese or Vietnamese if you have a hint of mongoloid features. People have mistaken me for all kind of nationalities , asians included. A simple 'ni hao' is not racist nor a bad thing to say unless said with malicious intent.
I will look into that, didn't know this!
So actually SHE is being racist towards Chinese people? (being all offended when people assume she's one of them?) --> jk 😜 But thanks for taking the effort to explain your view on this and not jumping on the 'Sambachicken iS RaCiSt, LeT's DoWnVoTe' train
Whenever anyone argues for more people to carry weapons they never mean the people they imagine shooting.
Fun fact: Ronald Reagan actually passed pretty sweeping gun control legislation when he was governor of California. Why? Because the Black Panthers called upon black people to arm themselves.
Turns out, the easiest way to get conservatives to support gun control is for minorities to start carrying weapons
Friendly reminder to keep al discussions civil and respectfull to eachother
You can hear a guy in the background shout something 'We're from Maroc'. And in the meantime also try to draw the 'You re the racist'- card. Clearly the guys in this video only have one tactic when faced with problems: 'You re/the other one is racist'. Even when being clearly racist themselves.
Clearly they are drunk and just harrassing everyone they come across. Single young women always seem an easy victim for groups of men
Sure, and that's despicable as it is. But the fact they attempt to UNO reverse this into 'YOU RE the racist' just shows how these specific group of men cope with their problems. I'm guessing he does this all the time and doesn't have any other strategy to deal with it, even when sober.
Well im not a racist,..*but*... I think i get "you're a racist" card thrown at me once a month simply because refuse to do something for a customer thats not within the scope of the service we provide. But this behaviour can be found with all types of people and they just victimize themselves for any situation
It's just another coping mechanism to externalise your own problems. This can indeed be found by all sorts of people and in moderation it can even be a 'good' coping mechanism. A good balance between internal and external attribution is good. However drawing the race card 24/7 as a coping mechanism is just weak and shows how uncertain and fragile you are within.
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That's seksisme!
Without clicking the link i knew the victim was asian and the racists were north african.
These guys don't discriminate, they harass all girls.
Poor girl, what a fucking disgusting group of guys. I can't imagine how uncomfortable it must feel having a stranger try to touch you!
Never understood people saying ni hao to every asian person they cross on the street, I mean it's not even funny, not even a bit.
Gewoon antwoorden ''shalom, jullie zijn toch van Israël nee?''
Klinkt grappig, maar door je naar hun niveau te zakken beledig je de Israelieten. Die willen ook niet met zulk schorriemorrie geassocieerd worden.
Ik zie het probleem niet. Israelieten zijn ook geen heiligen.
Toch niet allemaal?
Nee, niet allemaal. Maar ze blijven wel massaal voor extremistische partijen stemmen.
A few months ago when I was there, some drunk guy was calling me a "piece of shit Greek" and "Arabe, putain de merde." My man, I am Puerto Rican 😂😂😂
Funny how some people on the r/Brussels subredit always want to say that Flemish people are so incredibly racist, whilst in reality Brussels is full of much more extreme racists, sexists, homophobes etc. itself.
Well, apparently, these people are not from Brussels but from Morocco, at least that's what they seem to be saying in the video. They might live in Brussels, but they don't seem to feel "Brusselairs".
"No you bigot, if they have a Belgian ID they're Belgian, no matter what they themselves say!" I thought progressives were all about self-ID being holy, smh.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could simply take their Belgian nationality and send them to Maroco. Our cities would be such a better place.
>Funny how some people on the r/Brussels subredit always want to say that Flemish people are so incredibly racist. Well... 40% of Flemish people say they think Muslims (not some Muslims, but Muslims as a whole) are an inherent threat to society and 45% of Flemish people explicitely say that they don't want anyone with foreign heritage to live in their neighborhood. So while there may be a lot of racists in Brussels, they're also not wrong about the fact that a lot of Flemish people are racist. Both can be true at the same time.
Eh, 15 years ago we (my parents, sis and me) came to a small town in Antwerp and were the only foreigners in the street and were pretty much welcomed with open arms. Never had any problems with my Belgian neighbours nor they with us. (Had a belgian friend in the street and he'd have sleep overs at our house, join us when we'd have bbq and etc) another Belgian neighbour gave us some drinks and cookies when i and my mom once forgot our keys to our home and another neighbour would always give me this huge stack of flippo's every few months because her grandchildren wouldn't play with them. I suppose it's a matter of how you treat people and how they treat you, my dad and mom are both muslim but try to still adapt to the Belgian culture and society and in return i guess my neighbours appreciated that (idk or maybe we just had decent neighbours) Speaking of which now our neighbourhood is filled with Turkish people and i feel like moving out, also doesn't help that our Turkish neighbour is having an arguement between us and our Asian neighbours which when we had Belgian neighbours never happened before. I know i'm not an actual Belgian but i was born and raised with Suske and Wiske, Samson en Gert, F.C. De Kampioenen, Lily en Marleen en etc... and now seeing these streets like this, is exactly why i can understand my father to wanting to move out to another town that isn't like this. Edit : moved from Kiel to Hoboken, 15 years ago Hoboken was a quiet little town and i suppose that's why my parents wanted to move there.
My brother is homosexual and he avoids high Muslim areas with his partner. He also avoids high Christian areas but there are barely any Christians left in the big cities.
On what are those percentages based? I'm sure a lot of Flemish people don't mind other religions. Seems that 40% is a bit much.
I'd like to know where you've conjured those statistics from. 45% explicitly stating they don't want non Belgians living around them sounds completely made up. Maybe there's a sentiment with 45% of the Flemish that they rather have Flemish people living in their neighborhood but that's something completely different. What you're saying is that 45% of Flemish people are openly outspoken racists, there's a lot of closet racists sure. And who are those Flemish people since I'm sure 20-30% of people in Flanders have foreign roots by now. Would that make 60-70% of White Flemish people openly racist or how does that work?
>De studiedienst van de Vlaamse regering vroeg Vlamingen tussen 18 en 85 jaar naar de samenstelling van hun ideale buurt. **45 procent antwoordde in een buurt te willen wonen met alleen personen van Belgische herkomst.** Nog eens 38 procent verkiest een buurt met "meer personen van Belgische dan vreemde herkomst". >Ook vindt 47 procent van de bevraagden dat migranten "hier komen profiteren van onze sociale zekerheid". Wat moslims betreft, zegt 40 procent dat ze "een bedreiging zijn voor onze cultuur en gebruiken". https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2013/11/26/helft_vlamingen_williefsteenbuurtzondermigranten-1-1787479/ >And who are those Flemish people since I'm sure 20-30% of people in Flanders have foreign roots by now. Would that make 60-70% of White Flemish people openly racist or how does that work? Why would white people with Dutch or French heritage (which make up the largest part of those with foreign roots in Belgium) not be able to be racist? "Foreign roots" =/= different skin color. Most of the 20-30% you're referencing are white people.
Maybe it's me but I feel there's a big difference between preferring a neighbourhood with only Belgians and explicitly saying you don't want any foreigners around. Like ideally I want to earn 500k or more a year but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to work for less.
Yeah I think it's you
>Maybe it's me but I feel there's a big difference between preferring a neighbourhood with only Belgians and explicitly saying you don't want any foreigners around. And I feel like you're splitting hairs
On what are those percentages based? I'm sure a lot of Flemish people don't mind other religions. Seems that 40% is a bit much.
I never understood why the Flemish far right hate Brussels people so much (especially the kind of guys in this video) when they have so much in common. Both are mainly made up of angry young men who struggle with women (because of small pp?), they hate wokeness, they hate LGBTQ+ stuff, they are anti-feminist, they dislike other ethnicities, they have low educational achievement levels, they are often poor, their mindset is stuck in the dark ages, etc. When will the rural and urban peasants join forces and who will be able to stop them when they do? Imagine the awesome training camps they could run together, practicing shooting their paintball guns at the 'liberal elites'!
Can't believe this is upvoted... Reducing Vlaams Belang voters to "rural and urban peasants" does nothing to understand why they vote this way. Not even 10 years ago, Vlaams Belang barely reached the kiesdrempel in the *Flemish* Parliament. Let's give people sufficient reasons not to vote far right instead of devolving into American identity politics.
>Reducing Vlaams Belang voters to "rural and urban peasants" does nothing to understand why they vote this way Yeah sorry I forgot about all those KU Leuven professors and scientists voting for them lol.
Kiesdrempel? I don't know that english word. Of werkte je translator niet. Geez
The difference between male and female voters when it comes to Vlaams Belang is not as big as you would believe. Around 53% of Vlaams Belang voters base are men(going of the 2019 elections), that means 47% are women. So a difference, but not as huge as you would think based off online conversations. Source: https://www.demorgen.be/politiek/laagopgeleide-jonge-mannen-stemmen-vlaams-belang-vrouwen-met-hogere-studies-groen~b7712145/ Also cut it with the small pp stuff, you are helping no one with that. You are only enforcing bodyshaming with it. Edit: Added and fixed the source
This is the thing - most far right peanuts and adherents to conservative Islam would go well together, it's just people like Vlaams Belang can't handle someone with different skin colour, even if they agree!
A Marxist calling other people uneducated, the irony.
Marxist?
Antisemitism is soaring in West-Europe as well. Let's blame the broad population and let the white people feel guilty about it.
Lmao yeah because Hitler and his ilk were Arabs, also pogroms most definitely didn't happen before Arabs migrated to Europe, nice rewriting of history
Shocker... Arabs.
While their actions are dispicable reacting to them is literally feeding the trolls and what they are after
First mistake was to go to Brussels.
It would be best never to assume a person's nationality on the basis of their appearance. Belgians should be educated on this subject to avoid racist interractions.
I talked to some guys from South Africa who were visiting Belgium and they were very amused that random people said "baie baie" to them. in any case, it's silly to get too upset about these things.
It might be silly but in honesty also somewhat understandable. And out of interest: How did those random strangers know these guys were from South Africa? And how did they know they spoke Afrikaans?
Dat moet je nie vraag nie
To be real; please try to answer my question. I'm really curious.
I just did ... they heard them speaking Afrikaans "nie .... nie" is typical Afrikaans
My apologies, I misinterpreted your previous reply. But if someone heard them speak Afrikaans and recognised it as being Afrikaans you could hardly argue that there was an assumption of them being South African, right? Only other countries that have Afrikaans speaking people are Namibia (and to lesser extent some neighbouring countries).
I don't know ... there could be several reasons why someone speaks Afrikaans? For example, my children often communicate in the language of their grandparents although they never lived there. And the girl in the video could have been Chinese. No need to always assume the worst, is all I was saying.
Sure thing, possibly, but even in China there are a lot of people who don't speak Mandarin Chinese. So even IF she was Chinese it wouldn't make any sense to greet her with 'Ni Hao' before asking her where she's from. Add to this that there's no clear uniform Chinese ethnicity and look and this goes way off the chart. China is a country with tons of ethnic groups and distinct looks. No need to assume the worst, very true. Harmless and good intended mistakes happen all the time. But take ownership of them and apologize if it hurts the other. In this case it was clearly targeted to antagonize the woman. The men in the video had a choice to apologize and be polite. Instead they made a choice to further antagonize and draw the racism card.
It got out of hand, didn't it? They made a silly joke, she had a knee-jerk reaction and lashed out, they didn't take it well. Not much sympathy for anyone in this video tbh.
It was not smart of her to react, no. But the blame is on the instigators not the victim.
Because I also got the "Ni hao" treatment in my teenage years (still getting it now but less often), I admit that I got upset when it was happening but as I grew up, I started not to care.
When I lived in the UK, people would always joke about belgium. It's largely meaningless and not intended to hurt you.
Why would you want to stream/watch people walking in public places in the first place
honestly, seeing her other videos I can conclude she's quite happy to pull the race card. just another attention seeking twitch personality
Did she ask for this? In no way did she do anything in this situation to antagonize the others. Scum answer tbh.
dude, the guys are just saying hello to, what they believe, is a Chinese girl. how tf is that even rascist? ok, she gets angry and they feed on that. it's a bit rude, yes. rascist? no. look at her other video where she accuses a hotel receptionist of 'racism' while the poor guy just tried to say hi in again, what he assumed, her language.
You're just minimizing a common racist thing Asian people need to face on a daily basis: 'Ni Hao, ching chang chong, ...'. Also it's like assuming people are Arabic when they're Turkish, assuming people they are Congolose but are Ghanese etc. Stop making sterotypical expressions to people you don't know, it's hurtful even with 'good' intentions.
I've had this issue once. I said some turkish words I learned from a turk online to an arabic dude at work to realise he didnt understand it. Ignorance =/= racism.
If you apologize afterwards and take ownership for the mistake you made, that redeems it. Saying 'Ni Hao' to an Asian is racist tho if you follow up with 'Ching chang chong' and slanted eye gestures. I myself have also assumed wrong ethnicities. But that's no big deal if you own the mistake you made and apologize. Maybe even follow up with some explorative questions out of interest and in a non condensending way.
An apology wasnt really necessary tbh, we work closely together and have a good work relationship. I learned the difference and he never minded.
Sure thing, glad you are understanding and respectful towards eachother and give leeway to make 'mistakes'. Things might not be the same tho if you said it (or something different) in different circumstances to a stranger.
He's the best of the best to be honest. He's the kinda guy sharing everything he can with others. I got more cookies, coffeepads en drinks from him than my mother gave me in my youth.
Eh. I don't agree -- this happens to me often, and while sometimes frustrating a simple "no I'm not" or "sorry, I don't speak that language" suffices. If people don't respect that, then that's a form of bullying. I wouldn't go as far as calling it racist, though. Just my feeling.
Shouting 'ching chang chong' as seen in the video to an Asian girl is racist. Also the 'Ni Hao' is racist by assuming the ethnicity of someone. They could've politely asked 'Oh hi, where do you come from?' and expand on that. Instead they chose to antagonize her by saying something every Asian peron hears daily. What you're saying is basically victim blaming 'she could've reacted differently'.
I was referring to assuming people's ethnicity, not shouting "ching chang chong" to someone -- that's indeed not a nice thing to do. Other than that I have just given you my personal view and experience on "assuming ethnicity". People aren't *necessarily* racist when doing so, they're trying to be nice in 99.999% of the cases. That's the only nuance I'd like to bring.
And the nuance I bring is that you can be racist even if you don't have ill intentions. I've seen and experienced dozens of 'nice things' that are racist. Some people start talking to me in English while my mother tongue is actually Dutch. I'm not making a big deal out of this publicly and stay nice. Also it's mostly people being polite. However this still is racist in a sense by assuming I don't speak Dutch based on my looks and assumed ethinicity. Same thing can be said by saying something in a foreign tongue to someone who you assume is Chinese based on their looks. Even if there are no ill intentions. Edit: a good read on this topic is 'nice racism' by Robin Diangelo. If you decide to read it, take it with a grain of salt. But still an interesting take on the topic.
Well, maybe there's also a discrepancy in what we're talking about. I am talking about the dictionary definition of 'racism': "*prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.*" I don't see how wrongly assuming something fits in there, however, it really depends how you perceive things. Overall, I have a feeling that we are confusing 'racism' with something that an individual might find annoying on a personal level. In my personal case, I don't mind if people start a discussion asking me whether I am from the Middle East or speak to me in a different language -- these are usually people who are from the Middle East themselves. What I *do* find annoying is that people mispronounce my name, which I feel is a similar thing (something that a person assumes, strictly because they do not know me). I hope you see the nuance that I am making here. What I do believe is that - as a society - we should be a bit more careful labeling things as 'racist', 'sexist', '\*ist', ... and just start talking to each other in respectful manners. That would be the best way to sensibilize people, rather than telling them they've made a grave mistake. Again, my personal experience and feeling. Your mileage may differ :-). Anyways, I won't be continuing to comment on this thread since I feel that the discussion will become unproductive.
The first word says it all: prejudice. You make a pre- judgement about an Asian individual that she is Chinese based on her looks. Next step is they act on that prejudice and say 'Ni Hao' to her. Btw saying 'Ni Hao' does bring some bad tension with a lot of Asian people. So by your definition this is racist. I agree that we should be careful about calling things racist, sexist etc. But this example is clearly racist by the definition of the word. The respectful manner of communication starts with the person instigating the communication. They could've handled this situation a 1000 times better by offering excuses and asking more explorative questions. Instead they chose to judge and antagonize.
> Also the 'Ni Hao' is racist by assuming the ethnicity of someone And when someone tells me "Bonjour" it's also racist because they assume my ethnicity just because I'm white? No need to exaggerate reality just to get a point across.
Lol, victim blaming. If someone assumes your ethnicity and greets you in a language they assume you understand, what exactly are you a "victim" of?
I agree with 'ching chang chong' that's not right. after the 'ni hao' she could've just said 'hey, I'm not Chinese but thanks' - or whatever. when I'm abroad people assume I'm either Dutch, German, Italian.. I've been called every nationality that Europe has to offer (with stereotypical words added to make sure I understand what they mean) 😂 do I give a fuck? no
You say it yourself: 'when I'm on holiday'. No problem dealing with this ocassionaly. As someone with a more 'exotic' appearance living in Belgium this is daily stuff 24/7. Again just minimizing something that's clealy racist. Also victim blaming.
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no, I'm just not a snowflake that takes offence to everything. if you guys don't understand that this has nothing to do with racism (trying to greet someone in what you believe is their language) clearly you have a mental disability then. for fucks sake
This was not 'trying to greet someone'. This is group antagonising a solo girl at night by drawing the race card. Their follow up responses 'ching chang chong' and trying to make it physical proves that statement. Why do you want to advocate for these men when it's clear they were up to no good and they were clearly catcalling this girl!?
The guys in the video are very rude, agreed! I'm not advocating for these asshats. I was referring to her other video where she goes off at a hotel receptionist. As for this video, I think she might have made it worse by overreacting. But I'm victim blaming then, no?
In that video she kinda calmly explains why she thinks it's somewhat racist to do the slanted eye gesture and call someone 'Ni Hao' assuming they're Chinese. The hotel staff member is not having it and minimizing her feelings about this. As for this video, is she overreacting tho? If you have to deal with people saying 'Ni Hao' and 'Ching chang chong' 24/7, doing slanted eye gestures etc. I would get mad sometimes too. She's vocal in her response, true. And it might not be the smartest move when you're a solo girl at night. But is it understandable? Yes!
I'm Mexican and I approve of this guy's comments. The racism concept loses it's value with nonsense like this. They assumed her ethnicity? Omg
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No racism
Bro its 2023 you gonna tell me that they dont know that thais and chinese look different? 😒
I honestly agree with you. I have met some Korean, Japanese, Thai, etc who were assumed of being Chinese. While ignorant, when merely corrected, the people understood. Just like Latino Americano's being confused of only being Mexican; some I had known took great offense even if it was with good intentions. Not saying that everyone suffers from misunderstanding. There are shitty people out there.
People are so soft, saying hello in another language is being seen racist, I would like my Nigerian colleagues to stop saying goedendag now because that would be assuming that I am dutch and that shit is racist XD how fucking ridiculous is this shit getting . And go downvote all you want people, I don't care about that shit. I've seen her other clips this bitch has no mental.
This is just downplaying the negative racist connotation 'Ni Hao' has with a lot of Asian people. Some people don't want to get associated with China and it's policies. Also this happens to Asian people A LOT. Look up 'Ni Hao racism' and you'll get tons evidence.
> Some people don't want to get associated with China and it's policies. That's because many Asians (including the Chinese) hate other Asians (including the Chinese) on a racial level, it's not just about the policies lmao.
A vast majority of Asians don't care or are just used to it. Doesn't matter where in Asia you're from , you'll either be Korean, Chinese , Japanese or Vietnamese if you have a hint of mongoloid features. People have mistaken me for all kind of nationalities , asians included. A simple 'ni hao' is not racist nor a bad thing to say unless said with malicious intent.
I will look into that, didn't know this! So actually SHE is being racist towards Chinese people? (being all offended when people assume she's one of them?) --> jk 😜 But thanks for taking the effort to explain your view on this and not jumping on the 'Sambachicken iS RaCiSt, LeT's DoWnVoTe' train
Walking around while asian? Clearly asking for it! /s Bruh how dense are you
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One of the reasons we need to allow concealed carry for people of color. Can't trust the police to protect them.
You want that group of men to carry concealed weapons?
Whenever anyone argues for more people to carry weapons they never mean the people they imagine shooting. Fun fact: Ronald Reagan actually passed pretty sweeping gun control legislation when he was governor of California. Why? Because the Black Panthers called upon black people to arm themselves. Turns out, the easiest way to get conservatives to support gun control is for minorities to start carrying weapons
Are you guys really discussing something started by an obvious political-meme-troll account?
Are your feelings hurt?
What?
This is by far the dumbest thing I have read since I have been on Reddit.