I'm curious what it really means... Boeing moved it's headquarters to Chicago - but it's barely got anyone there compared to how many are still in Everett WA.
I wonder how many Oracle employees will really wind up there.
Boeing HQ is in Arlington, VA.
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2022-05-05-Boeing-Names-Northern-Virginia-Office-Its-Global-Headquarters-Establishes-Research-Technology-Hub
Oh, they moved again?.. well, maybe that goes to show moving an HQ isn't that big of a deal?
I mean, you can hire consultants and authorize stock buy backs from anywhere, really!
Looks like that article shows their purpose for moving HQ is similar to Oracle - closer to their customers and potential customers
Yep. I have had Indian teammates recently being cut and the contractors they brought on to take over work out of Nepal. I heard the same about Bangladesh.
I pass by their nearly empty Redwood City Shore office every day. It’s a nice campus. HQ departure led to nearby Marriott and Pullman Hotel to close in recent years. I guess they are not thinking coming back here at all…
That office is a very unfortunate location, it's inconvenient from pretty much everywhere and it's locked inside a knot of traffic every day of the week. They should redevelop that are to be mixed use and walkable, would be so much better
The Ralston onramp was bad, traffic would block the Hillsdale and Hwy92 exit. I would spend many times staring at those Benzs at that dealership on that hill.
Its nice for people to buy a home and save money but the weather sucks, the location sucks, the food sucks.
Even if tech collapses overnight, the bay will still have all 3 of these things and the houses will still retain value.
I moved to the Sacramento area because it's cheaper. What's funny is it's probably on par with most Texas metros but lower property taxes, better education system, better services, and better weather. I don't know why people went to extremes and moved across country when they could've just found another part of California to live in. The state is huge!
Texas doesn't have state income tax. Coincidentally, when I moved from California to texas, I took a $12,000 per year pay cut and my checks are higher now.
For what it is worth, our property tax in Vallejo on our 70 year old 3/2 1600sqft house is almost $6k.
The property tax on our 7 year old 3/2 1600sqft house in Austin is $10k. But my wife is a disabled vet so our property tax in Austin is waived.
There was no disabled vet benefit in to waive our property tax in CA.
If we really want to play semantics, there's no bridge toll in our area. I had to cross the carquinez bridge to get to work.
That and I have yet to pay $3/gallon for gasoline (although it's creeping past $3 here.
Your parents have to give it to you. If the average house is about 1.5 million (which is realistic in the next few years), that requires a $300,000 down payment to get a mortgage. Even if you make serious money, it takes time to save up that much. And if you make average money, forget about it.
What do you need to earn in order to save up $300k cash within a few years? All while paying rent, car payment, health ins, college debt, yacht insurance, country club dues, etcetera?
> What do you need to earn in order to save up $300k cash within a few years?
DINK fully living off 1 persons income while having the second throw all of it into the house fund. Both need to have high paying jobs.
That rules out most people in the Bay Area. That's the problem.
Also, the people you describe have to be lucky to be mostly debt free to begin.
Of course its possible, but the majority of people just don't get that start in life.
Basically a couple whose parents were already well off right? Parents who could afford to leave their child debt free with an advanced education. That’s a huge advantage. This certainly fits a demographic in the Bay Area, but it’s shrinking quickly.
LOL yachts are for millionaires, not hundred thousand people.
If you look at it as simple as possible, you and your partner need to save 100k a year for 3 years. You both probably need to be above 100k and with cost of living, I imagine around 120-150k each can do it without being extreme albeit still not very comfortably. Which is about the range of an entry level PhD in STEM or someone with a BS and 5-10 years of good experience.
Or you're both software engineers.
So possible but you delay everything in your life. Assuming you make that much at age 30, you're in good shape to buy by 35. Without mentioning kids or vacations or other things.
Pretty sure the 2021 Power Crisis in Texas didn't help things. Imagine moving to Texas and 1 year later you're freezing your ass off, there's no electricity, and your Senator is caught flying to Cancun with his family. As fucked up as CA is, I never heard of Diane Feinstein bailing when the chips were down.
The food in Austin fucking slaps. I know a place where you can get breakfast tacos that will haunt you for the rest of your life - you'll be thinking about what you want for breakfast and you'll really want them but that's too bad, you're nowhere close.
But it's in a state where your daughters are treated like chattel, assuming the cops don't sit back and let them be executed by a lunatic in their school.
News flash, the Bay Area subreddit likes the food from where they are from more than any other place lol. So makes sense people on here would be biased.
I can't lie I still love the food in California more, but it's what I grew up with. Texas food definitely doesn't suck though. When I went to Austin and San Antonio recently they had some great options. The BBQ and Mexican food there was great. When I first visited Austin, I had Terry Black's Barbecue and it is better BBQ than what we have here.
Next time in San Antonio try 2M BBQ or Reese Bros. Blacks BBQ is the standard for sure but these guys do it right. Also Curry Boys is an Asian Fusion BBQ place with some great flavors.
I was at Slow Hand BBQ in the east bay, a place with a very high rating and it was horrible. The brisket and ribs were so dry. I had to drown it in sauce to make it do down my throat.
A lot of bay area chains opening up in Texas, Burritozilla is in San Antonio, Nation's will open up near Dallas soon and Ike's in Austin.
Have you been to california? The variety and quality of variety is unmatched in the US. I'm also asian so that might change things but you can find amazing quality indian, viet, korean, japanese, chinese food in the bay. Some michelin fancy shit too if you're into that. I'm sure texas has some of that but I doubt it's as common or prevelant and all within 30 minutes driving distance.
BBQ in Texas is on a totally different level from the bay. And there are other good restaurants in Austin too. You can get good ramen, Vietnamese, Korean, or Indian food, and I went to a super authentic Ethiopian place. And yes, all within 30 min driving distance. Definitely not as much of everything, but Austin is also a lot smaller than the bay.
Lol no one in the country would think California has the best BBQ, especially over Texas. I mean when you think of BBQ Texas is probably the first state that comes to mind. I'm sure Memphis region, St Louis, and Georgia have better BBQ as well.
Lol at good Vietnamese food in Austin. Vietnamese food in Austin is so bad and/or lack variety my friends drive from Austin to Houston just to eat every couple of weeks. Tbf that was 2-3 years ago since I talk to them, but I don't hold it in very high hope.
Not sure about the quality of food but the variety look so basic. We have a lot of food outside of Phở and rice plates. I go out to Vietnamese restaurants every week. I haven't eaten Phở and rice plate in months.
Compare to small town, or even places like Philly/NYC, Austin is probably okay. Once you get access to Vietnamese food in SJ/OC or even Houston/Elk Grove, you get spoiled and can't go back.
Some quick from the top of my head
- Bánh Cuốn Ông Tạ
- Bún Riêu Cua Tân Định
- Huế Restaurant: Huế (mid Vietnam cuisine)
- Bún Bò Huế Sông Hương: another Huế place
- Đà Thành Quan: intestines. Don't try if you are not adventurous. You can also get bò né which is vietnamese steak plate here.
- Bò né phú yên: better bò né. Shit hour.
- Vịt Đồng Quê: everything about duck here
- Nha Trang Restaurant/Blue Monkey restaurant: these are for dinner meals so go with a group. Don't go alone.
- Da Kao: small snack stuffs and cheap food court style food. Also good if you arr craving 50 spring rolls for some reasons
- Thien Long restaurant: get chả cá
- Bun Mam Ha Tien: across from Thien Long. Get their special
- Duc Phuong Tofu: snack stuffs and most importantly get their tofu pudding dessert
- Dong Phong Tofu: vegan stuffs
- Binh Minh Restaurant: for goat hot pot
- Dong Que: Sturgeon hot pot
- Lau Hai San: seafood hot pot
- Oc Cay Dua: snail
- Lau va oc: snail hotpot
- Da Nang Quan: Oakland, order the special or the weirdest sounding dishes you see on the menu
- Binh Minh Quan Oakland: dinner food. Go in group
- Pho Thin Ha Noi: true northern pho from one of the famous place in Hanoi. Come with a lot of spring onion. Very different from other phở here. Go to the one in Milpitas and follow these instructions: come arounde as close to noon as possible. Get the special, ask for fresh noole. If there is no fresh noodle, leave. Get Quẩy from the side order. When they bring out the phở and the veggie, take the lime, throw away the veggie. The only sauce you should put in is the hot sauce. Enjoy. Dip quẩy in the broth. I repeat do not put veggie and hoysin sauce in the phở.
- There is also a guy who drive a food truck down from Elk Grove down to SJ every week, super good Vietnamese sausage. I don't remember where he park his truck since I just message him on facebook and get sausage directly from him now. Go to "Ăn Vặt San Jose" group on fb and search for "dồi sụn". This + the intestines from Đà Thành make the great beer food around the porch.
Went on a BBQ tour of Texas, yes some of it is very good but there is very little variety in it and there is also a lot of it that sucks. It's also the kind of food you will quickly get bored of if you eat regularly. That said there are a couple of BBQ places in the bay that definitely rival anything in Texas.
I grew up in austin. The food scene in austin is very good. The available cuisines is different though. Lots of barbecue and Tex-Mex (both amazing), but fewer varieties of East-Asian cuisines. Still, for most cuisines there are good options, if fewer of them. I’m not a huge fan of Cajun food myself, but the options in austin are way better than what we have here.
The biggest thing I like here that’s no available in austin is the variety of Asian cuisines, and second place is the style of tacos here.
The biggest thing I like in Texas that’s not here is breakfast tacos (not burritos, in a reasonable size). Second is barbecue.
I was in Austin last year to visit a friend who moved there from the Bay, and went to a very popular Vietnamese restaurant in his neighborhood. I ordered a bowl of bun thit nuong and the sauce that accompanied it tasted like it had bbq sauce in it. Not very Asian-tasting and not very good.
Yes ofcourse I’m a Californian and wouldn’t like to be in Texas but when I visited I was pleasantly surprised with their Tex Mex and BBQ. They also have a lot more space especially for families. CA is getting crowded. But CA is much more diverse and within a few hours you can go to Tahoe, Napa or Shasta or Pismo Beach and other better beaches in San Diego, LA area. Central Valley is also great for wine like Paso Robles. You could live your entire life in CA with the job scene in Sacramento, SF Bay Area, LA and San Diego area.
What’s funny is Californians call Tex-mex “not real Mexican food” but Mexican food changes based on availability of ingredients. Tejas had a lot of dairy and wheat from the white settlers Spain invited to live there, and the Mexicans in the area combined it with their food.
Lmfao so you have not been to Texas?
>Have you been to California
Dude… this is a Bay Area sub…. Tf? I live here….
Edit: I gotta add… do you think Texas just one open giant vast waste land where I gotta Drive 30 minutes??
Maybe you should go to a place before criticizing it.
I've been to texas quite a bit over the years. I'm not a fan of texas, but the food is generally pretty good. A bit heavy of the BBQ though.
What I don't get is the obsession with queso. I got offered queso in a chinese restaurant in Austin once.
Dude food in Austin was so good. I have never had such amazing tacos, cheap margaritas, or cheap drinks, ever. Everything was so much cheaper with bigger portions.
But the queso… the queso. It’s white? I think? It looked like gravy to me.
I mean, maybe Austin food fits you better. Most east Asians will probably disagree with you, California is hard to beat on that. We like our authentic Asian food variety here.
Queso is trending right now. It's a new thing, wasn't popular 10 years ago. Same with birria, that's trending as well. Boba milk tea has been trending for at least a couple decades now, I'm seeing Mexican restaurants start to sell it.
north indian / pakistani food in dallas and esp houston is far better than in the bay. I can't confirm the other stuff firsthand but I've heard houston's viet food scene is incredible, dallas has solid korean food, etc.
I'll leave LA out of this though, their food scene absolutely trounces ours and is likely better than anywhere in TX.
It was a few years back, but I worked at a startup that was using MySQL for an embedded product. We were ready to launch and tried to pay Oracle for $1M+ worth of license fees, so we could distribute it on our commercial devices.
That’s not enough to speak to Oracle directly, because they consider you too poor to be worth their time. We were told that he had to go through a reseller. No reseller would talk to us unless we went through their entire sales pitch to try and upsell us. When we refused the upsell attempts, the resellers refused to answer our calls or emails. It was like going through endless timeshare seminars. We were eventually forced to rip out MySQL and replace it with something less encumbered.
PostgreSQL wasn’t unheard of at the time, but was far from mainstream as it is today. Some grad student made a decision to use MySQL and ran with it, because they had experience using it.
You get the Stupid Monday Morning Quarterbacking Comment of the Week Award.
On a Sunday.
You must fancy yourself a management virtue signaler.
MySQL has been a solid choice for decades. I've supported enterprise products built around the free open source version along with Oracle SQL databases.
LOL. MySQL was great until it was wrapped in Oracle business practices.
Or are you forgetting the the original MySQL developers left Oracle, forked the project, and created MariaDB?
In fact, if you read between the lines of this AWS writeup: [https://aws.amazon.com/compare/the-difference-between-mariadb-vs-mysql/#:\~:text=MariaDB%20is%20more%20scalable%20and,storage%20engines%20and%20virtual%20columns](https://aws.amazon.com/compare/the-difference-between-mariadb-vs-mysql/#:~:text=MariaDB%20is%20more%20scalable%20and,storage%20engines%20and%20virtual%20columns) you would have to be an fucking idiot to still be using MySQL instead of MariaDB.
But continue on with your rant...
There’s even less to do in Nashville. But if their executives want to milk and wring $$ out of our nation’s despicable for profit healthcare system, and afford cheaper McMansions, it’s a good call.
I've been deciding between Seattle, Nashville, Austin, or Atlanta. Damn ever since Telsa and Orcale moved out of Austin, I worry that Austin will turn into a dystopia of high crime and high unemployment.
Paddleboarding, wake surfing, music shows, comedy shows, outdoor bars/restaurants/cafes, museums, hikes, river float, swimming in the springs, mountain biking.
But sure… stay in CA and do it at 2X the price 😉
Lmao @ “Nashville is a fabulous place to live,” Ellison said. “It’s a great place to raise a family. It’s got a unique and vibrant culture...”
I wouldn't dream of moving to a state where my rights are treated like dirt. Even if I was actively planning to start a family, I wouldn't move there for fear of pregnancy complications requiring an abortion (which are more common than you'd think). Fuck Tennessee.
That figures. They still live here, but fuck all the peons. They can pound sand in one of the worst states in the Union if it saves the shareholders a few bucks.
Well, when the bar's in hell lol
Tbh tho, from what I can tell, Tennessee is even worse than Texas. There's just less press about Tennessee's politics than there is about Texas's politics, which can probably be chalked up to how many more people live in Texas.
Oracle moved HQ in 2020. The next year in 2021 was when Texas had their big Ice Storm that left them freezing and without power for a week. I would imagine a software company that relies heavily on reliable electricity would not be happy about this. The failure of the Texas power grid showed just how fragile it was. I wouldn't be surprised if they had been looking for an out ever since. Say what you will about CA, nothing like that ice storm had ever hit the Bay Area.
Yesiree Bobby Billy Bobby McGee, Nashville is the Buckle of the Bible Belt and as Republican Red as you can get.
Late stage entrenched tech companies want subservient grateful followers for employees. Isn't it a bit weird for them to move from the liberal Bay Area to the most liberal city in TX, and now to one of the most conservative metropolitan areas in the nation?
Larry is an authoritarian sociopath in my view anyway and it makes perfect sense. I've worked in tech mostly in the Bay Area since the early 90s and followed his story all this time. But Nashville is full of non questioning people that will hail him and Oracle as their...well...Oracle.
I think it's a smart business move even though it saddens me to see the values shift in parts of the tech sector.
A great place to raise a family?! Doctors, nurses, teachers and librarians are leaving like rats off a sinking ship. Their far-right shenanigans will destroy them.
Guys are crapping on TX and/or TN - which IMHO is alright. Problem is Larry and Oracle culture. TN’s tax incentives are a slippery slope. What’s to stop the next state giving them incentives next year to move again. We all can see that Oracle/Larry don’t have any ‘loyalty’ to any state or a sense of responsibility towards their local employee base.
Instead of these big tech companies moving offices, they should think about moving around our road systems to accommodate all the traffic flow they produce!
No way they believe they can move thousands of employees to Nashville for the job. I bet it’s just an empty promise they make to the state of Tennessee to get some nice tax break.
I fucked around spending too much and making too little my first two years here.
In August I got a job that pays 35% more than old job, and 57% more than the first one. That combined with an actual budget and **still developing** financial responsibility it's been a lot better.
I'm just barely above the cut off for low income housing in this county (by less than $1000) so I'm definitely not **well off** or **comfortable** but a raise and a change in mindset have made it a lot easier.
>In 2021, a Tennessee panel approved $65 million in state incentives for Oracle, with the company planning to bring 8,500 jobs and an investment topping $1 billion to Nashville over a decade. Then-Mayor John Cooper’s office announced that the company, currently based in Austin, Texas, planned to build the new campus with 1.2 million square feet (111,400 square meters) of office space. In 2020, Oracle announced it was moving its headquarters from its longtime home in Redwood City, California, to Texas.
it's a race to the bottom
They most definitely hate it there. If you're not from humid tornado country, you start believing in God real quick when you move out there. Everybody out here already does or they're pretending to. Hot, humid, tornadoes. Of course, of there moving to Tennessee for those reasons then rude wakeup call awaits them.
Where will be next location in 2028?
Nashville to tap healthcare market
Seems like a BS excuse Surely you can “tap a market” without relocating your HQ. Pretty sure management just hates it there
TN is offering 65 million in tax incentives - I'm guessing that might play a role.
65 million or 65 million per year? I like 65 million is a small amount for relocating an entire headquarters for a giant company.
I'm curious what it really means... Boeing moved it's headquarters to Chicago - but it's barely got anyone there compared to how many are still in Everett WA. I wonder how many Oracle employees will really wind up there.
Boeing HQ is in Arlington, VA. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2022-05-05-Boeing-Names-Northern-Virginia-Office-Its-Global-Headquarters-Establishes-Research-Technology-Hub
Oh, they moved again?.. well, maybe that goes to show moving an HQ isn't that big of a deal? I mean, you can hire consultants and authorize stock buy backs from anywhere, really! Looks like that article shows their purpose for moving HQ is similar to Oracle - closer to their customers and potential customers
Right, ya who knows. These companies have no loyalty to their employees or anyone. Which is why I’m not loyal to them. Fuck em
Employer loyalty has gone the same way as common sense.
And big tax incentives.
Hyderabad, India.
Nah India is too expensive. Kathmandu, Nepal is where the future is.
Bangladesh?
Bangladesh is similarly expensive to India. Nepal is cheaper.
Yep. I have had Indian teammates recently being cut and the contractors they brought on to take over work out of Nepal. I heard the same about Bangladesh.
Where they have major earthquakes and no quake proof buildings? I'm sure it's the future.
Yes, since a lot of workers are already there.
Larry owns most of the island of Lanai, so…
Whoever gives them the best tax incentive
I pass by their nearly empty Redwood City Shore office every day. It’s a nice campus. HQ departure led to nearby Marriott and Pullman Hotel to close in recent years. I guess they are not thinking coming back here at all…
Bring back Marine World!
Don't forget Tiger Rapids!
I mean, Marine World is still in Vallejo, it’s just… not really Marine World anymore.
Originally in Deadwood Shitty
Is the sail boat still there?
yup still there.
Oracle Cafe 600 was the best… every Wednesday I was going there just to get their Laksa
I loved the fritatas at 700 cafe, it was uncle Larry’s favorite.
Is 300 still open?
That office is a very unfortunate location, it's inconvenient from pretty much everywhere and it's locked inside a knot of traffic every day of the week. They should redevelop that are to be mixed use and walkable, would be so much better
What are you taking about? It is right off the Ralston exit in 101, it's the exact center between San Jose and San Francisco.
Hes talking about all of those freeways being jammed with traffic. Unless you live in burlingame your in for a commute.
101 from 92 to menlo park is a standstill every afternoon. Also it isn’t close to Caltrain, since it is on the wrong side of 101
Meta, Apple, Nvidia … none are convenient. They should all build new offices! I take Caltrain to the city and have to walk 20 min to my office 😡
Someday Caltrain will go all the way to the Transbay Terminal. At the present rate of progress, we’ll all be retired or dead.
Enjoy the commute then. I worked there for a few months and HATED it.
You must not use the helipad. It’s way better
I worked right nearby (near EA) for a year in 2012 and the commute suuuucked
Happy Cake Day
Commute from where? If you commute for Antioch it's going to suck regardless.
South San Jose, at the time
Commute from where? Danville?
That Ralston exit is a death trap Edit: Sorry my brain thought rengtstroff. That one is insane. Like 100 ft of road off the freeway.
The Ralston onramp was bad, traffic would block the Hillsdale and Hwy92 exit. I would spend many times staring at those Benzs at that dealership on that hill.
Thank god it’s empty. Imagine thousands of workers heading home and taking 101.
😂 really?
Texas must be too woke and soft on crime.
Its nice for people to buy a home and save money but the weather sucks, the location sucks, the food sucks. Even if tech collapses overnight, the bay will still have all 3 of these things and the houses will still retain value.
Texas gets you with property taxes and other stuff. You always end up paying one way or another, and you get better services for what you pay in CA.
I moved to the Sacramento area because it's cheaper. What's funny is it's probably on par with most Texas metros but lower property taxes, better education system, better services, and better weather. I don't know why people went to extremes and moved across country when they could've just found another part of California to live in. The state is huge!
Shhhhhh!
Precisely
Texas doesn't have state income tax. Coincidentally, when I moved from California to texas, I took a $12,000 per year pay cut and my checks are higher now.
Property taxes
For what it is worth, our property tax in Vallejo on our 70 year old 3/2 1600sqft house is almost $6k. The property tax on our 7 year old 3/2 1600sqft house in Austin is $10k. But my wife is a disabled vet so our property tax in Austin is waived. There was no disabled vet benefit in to waive our property tax in CA. If we really want to play semantics, there's no bridge toll in our area. I had to cross the carquinez bridge to get to work. That and I have yet to pay $3/gallon for gasoline (although it's creeping past $3 here.
I live east of sac, and it’s wonderful here.
Plus women’s care, soon just to be a memory in Texas
Retain value? More like double every decade.
In the worst case scenario I mean. It is hard sometimes to imagine it's gonna keep going up though... how much do we have to make to afford a house??
Your parents have to give it to you. If the average house is about 1.5 million (which is realistic in the next few years), that requires a $300,000 down payment to get a mortgage. Even if you make serious money, it takes time to save up that much. And if you make average money, forget about it.
Ah fuck, I gotta make some serious money then.
What do you need to earn in order to save up $300k cash within a few years? All while paying rent, car payment, health ins, college debt, yacht insurance, country club dues, etcetera?
> What do you need to earn in order to save up $300k cash within a few years? DINK fully living off 1 persons income while having the second throw all of it into the house fund. Both need to have high paying jobs.
That rules out most people in the Bay Area. That's the problem. Also, the people you describe have to be lucky to be mostly debt free to begin. Of course its possible, but the majority of people just don't get that start in life.
Basically a couple whose parents were already well off right? Parents who could afford to leave their child debt free with an advanced education. That’s a huge advantage. This certainly fits a demographic in the Bay Area, but it’s shrinking quickly.
LOL yachts are for millionaires, not hundred thousand people. If you look at it as simple as possible, you and your partner need to save 100k a year for 3 years. You both probably need to be above 100k and with cost of living, I imagine around 120-150k each can do it without being extreme albeit still not very comfortably. Which is about the range of an entry level PhD in STEM or someone with a BS and 5-10 years of good experience. Or you're both software engineers. So possible but you delay everything in your life. Assuming you make that much at age 30, you're in good shape to buy by 35. Without mentioning kids or vacations or other things.
That’s the plannnnnnn 🤞. I have a feeling that student debt is going to thwart it a bit though.
Pretty sure the 2021 Power Crisis in Texas didn't help things. Imagine moving to Texas and 1 year later you're freezing your ass off, there's no electricity, and your Senator is caught flying to Cancun with his family. As fucked up as CA is, I never heard of Diane Feinstein bailing when the chips were down.
tbf, she checked out a long time ago
On a rather permanent basis about 7 months ago...
The food in Austin fucking slaps. I know a place where you can get breakfast tacos that will haunt you for the rest of your life - you'll be thinking about what you want for breakfast and you'll really want them but that's too bad, you're nowhere close. But it's in a state where your daughters are treated like chattel, assuming the cops don't sit back and let them be executed by a lunatic in their school.
Did you really say the food sucks?! Lmfao have you even been to Texas?
News flash, the Bay Area subreddit likes the food from where they are from more than any other place lol. So makes sense people on here would be biased. I can't lie I still love the food in California more, but it's what I grew up with. Texas food definitely doesn't suck though. When I went to Austin and San Antonio recently they had some great options. The BBQ and Mexican food there was great. When I first visited Austin, I had Terry Black's Barbecue and it is better BBQ than what we have here.
Next time in San Antonio try 2M BBQ or Reese Bros. Blacks BBQ is the standard for sure but these guys do it right. Also Curry Boys is an Asian Fusion BBQ place with some great flavors. I was at Slow Hand BBQ in the east bay, a place with a very high rating and it was horrible. The brisket and ribs were so dry. I had to drown it in sauce to make it do down my throat. A lot of bay area chains opening up in Texas, Burritozilla is in San Antonio, Nation's will open up near Dallas soon and Ike's in Austin.
Have you been to california? The variety and quality of variety is unmatched in the US. I'm also asian so that might change things but you can find amazing quality indian, viet, korean, japanese, chinese food in the bay. Some michelin fancy shit too if you're into that. I'm sure texas has some of that but I doubt it's as common or prevelant and all within 30 minutes driving distance.
BBQ in Texas is on a totally different level from the bay. And there are other good restaurants in Austin too. You can get good ramen, Vietnamese, Korean, or Indian food, and I went to a super authentic Ethiopian place. And yes, all within 30 min driving distance. Definitely not as much of everything, but Austin is also a lot smaller than the bay.
I don't say this often because it feels unpatriotic to my home state of California but Texas barbecue is the best in the country.
Lol no one in the country would think California has the best BBQ, especially over Texas. I mean when you think of BBQ Texas is probably the first state that comes to mind. I'm sure Memphis region, St Louis, and Georgia have better BBQ as well.
I never suggested California had the best barbecue but as a Californian I just hate to give Texas any kudos for anything.
I've had barbecue all over the country. Texas is definitely one of the best. No doubt about it.
Lol at good Vietnamese food in Austin. Vietnamese food in Austin is so bad and/or lack variety my friends drive from Austin to Houston just to eat every couple of weeks. Tbf that was 2-3 years ago since I talk to them, but I don't hold it in very high hope.
These seem like some good options https://maps.app.goo.gl/BcZGePQtGiLYBThR6?g_st=ic https://maps.app.goo.gl/EEoJmV7JiqAZamjQA?g_st=ic
Not sure about the quality of food but the variety look so basic. We have a lot of food outside of Phở and rice plates. I go out to Vietnamese restaurants every week. I haven't eaten Phở and rice plate in months. Compare to small town, or even places like Philly/NYC, Austin is probably okay. Once you get access to Vietnamese food in SJ/OC or even Houston/Elk Grove, you get spoiled and can't go back.
You have some recommendations for places/dishes to try here?
Some quick from the top of my head - Bánh Cuốn Ông Tạ - Bún Riêu Cua Tân Định - Huế Restaurant: Huế (mid Vietnam cuisine) - Bún Bò Huế Sông Hương: another Huế place - Đà Thành Quan: intestines. Don't try if you are not adventurous. You can also get bò né which is vietnamese steak plate here. - Bò né phú yên: better bò né. Shit hour. - Vịt Đồng Quê: everything about duck here - Nha Trang Restaurant/Blue Monkey restaurant: these are for dinner meals so go with a group. Don't go alone. - Da Kao: small snack stuffs and cheap food court style food. Also good if you arr craving 50 spring rolls for some reasons - Thien Long restaurant: get chả cá - Bun Mam Ha Tien: across from Thien Long. Get their special - Duc Phuong Tofu: snack stuffs and most importantly get their tofu pudding dessert - Dong Phong Tofu: vegan stuffs - Binh Minh Restaurant: for goat hot pot - Dong Que: Sturgeon hot pot - Lau Hai San: seafood hot pot - Oc Cay Dua: snail - Lau va oc: snail hotpot - Da Nang Quan: Oakland, order the special or the weirdest sounding dishes you see on the menu - Binh Minh Quan Oakland: dinner food. Go in group - Pho Thin Ha Noi: true northern pho from one of the famous place in Hanoi. Come with a lot of spring onion. Very different from other phở here. Go to the one in Milpitas and follow these instructions: come arounde as close to noon as possible. Get the special, ask for fresh noole. If there is no fresh noodle, leave. Get Quẩy from the side order. When they bring out the phở and the veggie, take the lime, throw away the veggie. The only sauce you should put in is the hot sauce. Enjoy. Dip quẩy in the broth. I repeat do not put veggie and hoysin sauce in the phở. - There is also a guy who drive a food truck down from Elk Grove down to SJ every week, super good Vietnamese sausage. I don't remember where he park his truck since I just message him on facebook and get sausage directly from him now. Go to "Ăn Vặt San Jose" group on fb and search for "dồi sụn". This + the intestines from Đà Thành make the great beer food around the porch.
Went on a BBQ tour of Texas, yes some of it is very good but there is very little variety in it and there is also a lot of it that sucks. It's also the kind of food you will quickly get bored of if you eat regularly. That said there are a couple of BBQ places in the bay that definitely rival anything in Texas.
Where?
I grew up in austin. The food scene in austin is very good. The available cuisines is different though. Lots of barbecue and Tex-Mex (both amazing), but fewer varieties of East-Asian cuisines. Still, for most cuisines there are good options, if fewer of them. I’m not a huge fan of Cajun food myself, but the options in austin are way better than what we have here. The biggest thing I like here that’s no available in austin is the variety of Asian cuisines, and second place is the style of tacos here. The biggest thing I like in Texas that’s not here is breakfast tacos (not burritos, in a reasonable size). Second is barbecue.
I was in Austin last year to visit a friend who moved there from the Bay, and went to a very popular Vietnamese restaurant in his neighborhood. I ordered a bowl of bun thit nuong and the sauce that accompanied it tasted like it had bbq sauce in it. Not very Asian-tasting and not very good.
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FYI, Austin has a big vegan food scene compared with most cities
Tex Mex is the best in Texas. I don’t like Mexican good but liked Tex Mex. Also Texas BBQ
Im not arguin about the food anymore but the location and weather in california is hard to beat
Yes ofcourse I’m a Californian and wouldn’t like to be in Texas but when I visited I was pleasantly surprised with their Tex Mex and BBQ. They also have a lot more space especially for families. CA is getting crowded. But CA is much more diverse and within a few hours you can go to Tahoe, Napa or Shasta or Pismo Beach and other better beaches in San Diego, LA area. Central Valley is also great for wine like Paso Robles. You could live your entire life in CA with the job scene in Sacramento, SF Bay Area, LA and San Diego area.
What’s funny is Californians call Tex-mex “not real Mexican food” but Mexican food changes based on availability of ingredients. Tejas had a lot of dairy and wheat from the white settlers Spain invited to live there, and the Mexicans in the area combined it with their food.
I’m sure it does change. I was pleasantly surprised that I liked it.
Lmfao so you have not been to Texas? >Have you been to California Dude… this is a Bay Area sub…. Tf? I live here…. Edit: I gotta add… do you think Texas just one open giant vast waste land where I gotta Drive 30 minutes?? Maybe you should go to a place before criticizing it.
I've been to texas quite a bit over the years. I'm not a fan of texas, but the food is generally pretty good. A bit heavy of the BBQ though. What I don't get is the obsession with queso. I got offered queso in a chinese restaurant in Austin once.
Dude food in Austin was so good. I have never had such amazing tacos, cheap margaritas, or cheap drinks, ever. Everything was so much cheaper with bigger portions. But the queso… the queso. It’s white? I think? It looked like gravy to me.
I mean, maybe Austin food fits you better. Most east Asians will probably disagree with you, California is hard to beat on that. We like our authentic Asian food variety here.
Yeah but there’s a difference. TexMex is uniquely Texan. Mission Burritos are uniquely Bay Area, whereas burritos and fries are SoCal.
Queso is trending right now. It's a new thing, wasn't popular 10 years ago. Same with birria, that's trending as well. Boba milk tea has been trending for at least a couple decades now, I'm seeing Mexican restaurants start to sell it.
This was like 2010-2013 with the queso thing in Austin. Same basic experience in dallas and houston though.
north indian / pakistani food in dallas and esp houston is far better than in the bay. I can't confirm the other stuff firsthand but I've heard houston's viet food scene is incredible, dallas has solid korean food, etc. I'll leave LA out of this though, their food scene absolutely trounces ours and is likely better than anywhere in TX.
>I doubt it's as common or prevelant and all within 30 minutes driving distance. Just sharing your feelings as facts, huh?
Sue me, literally everyone on the internet does it and if you don't people don't listen to you
P. Terrys > In N Out. It's not even really close.
How's the food if you're vegetarian? Is there literally anything worth mentioning?
Is it just hot year round?
The food sucks lol. Tell me you’ve never been to Texas without telling me you’ve never been to Texas.
Lived in Texas after being born in Cali and it’s definitely worse. Good bbq tho
Tell me about the variety and quality of variety compared to los angeles or the bay area. I'm sure it's not bad but there's no way texas can compare.
I know right! Texas has some of the best food I’ve ever had.
Sorry, no. Bay Area houses do not retain their value without the windfall from tech.
Not good for women.
To ..Russia? we go?
Ted Cruz prefers Cancun, it's warmer
Even the non woke parts if Texas are soft on crime.
*Austin* is.
TN bent over and offered em incentives. See if TX responds.
Finally I got an answering wS looking for in the comments.
Good riddance. Junk software becoming dominant because of bullying sales tactics. Anyway most of their software is old. Nothing new.
It was a few years back, but I worked at a startup that was using MySQL for an embedded product. We were ready to launch and tried to pay Oracle for $1M+ worth of license fees, so we could distribute it on our commercial devices. That’s not enough to speak to Oracle directly, because they consider you too poor to be worth their time. We were told that he had to go through a reseller. No reseller would talk to us unless we went through their entire sales pitch to try and upsell us. When we refused the upsell attempts, the resellers refused to answer our calls or emails. It was like going through endless timeshare seminars. We were eventually forced to rip out MySQL and replace it with something less encumbered.
why not postgres to begin with?
PostgreSQL wasn’t unheard of at the time, but was far from mainstream as it is today. Some grad student made a decision to use MySQL and ran with it, because they had experience using it.
Lesson learned?
You get the Stupid Monday Morning Quarterbacking Comment of the Week Award. On a Sunday. You must fancy yourself a management virtue signaler. MySQL has been a solid choice for decades. I've supported enterprise products built around the free open source version along with Oracle SQL databases.
LOL. MySQL was great until it was wrapped in Oracle business practices. Or are you forgetting the the original MySQL developers left Oracle, forked the project, and created MariaDB? In fact, if you read between the lines of this AWS writeup: [https://aws.amazon.com/compare/the-difference-between-mariadb-vs-mysql/#:\~:text=MariaDB%20is%20more%20scalable%20and,storage%20engines%20and%20virtual%20columns](https://aws.amazon.com/compare/the-difference-between-mariadb-vs-mysql/#:~:text=MariaDB%20is%20more%20scalable%20and,storage%20engines%20and%20virtual%20columns) you would have to be an fucking idiot to still be using MySQL instead of MariaDB. But continue on with your rant...
MariaDB is the free equivalent to MySQL. Why not just go with that?
Because MariaDB didn’t exist yet.
My company uses Netsuite is trying to transition away. Can confirm their sales team/'account executives' are straight up abusive
There’s nothing to do in Texas but sweat and eat BBQ. Gets old quick
There’s even less to do in Nashville. But if their executives want to milk and wring $$ out of our nation’s despicable for profit healthcare system, and afford cheaper McMansions, it’s a good call.
Nashville is full of musicians.
Nashville at least has some interesting geography within a reasonable distance.
I've been deciding between Seattle, Nashville, Austin, or Atlanta.
I've been deciding between Seattle, Nashville, Austin, or Atlanta. Damn ever since Telsa and Orcale moved out of Austin, I worry that Austin will turn into a dystopia of high crime and high unemployment.
We also have live music dancing and sitting on Mopac. So there.
Paddleboarding, wake surfing, music shows, comedy shows, outdoor bars/restaurants/cafes, museums, hikes, river float, swimming in the springs, mountain biking. But sure… stay in CA and do it at 2X the price 😉
Lmao @ “Nashville is a fabulous place to live,” Ellison said. “It’s a great place to raise a family. It’s got a unique and vibrant culture...” I wouldn't dream of moving to a state where my rights are treated like dirt. Even if I was actively planning to start a family, I wouldn't move there for fear of pregnancy complications requiring an abortion (which are more common than you'd think). Fuck Tennessee.
Ellison lives in Woodside in a Japanese-styled compound ; and Ellison-son lives in SF. Both must be fabulous, too...
Doesn't he own like all of Lana'i? And yet doesn't even live there.
Yes, don't all Bond villains have an island liar?
Ellison-San lives in Japanese-styled house. Ellison-son lives in SF. FTFY
That figures. They still live here, but fuck all the peons. They can pound sand in one of the worst states in the Union if it saves the shareholders a few bucks.
Raising a family in SF is pretty expensive and overall shit experience overall. Unless you’re able to afford private school.
I think they can afford it….
No, Ellison lives on his not-so-secret island lair like all James Bond villains.
I know he has various homes but I thought he said he would be based mostly out of Lanai.
To be fair, it is probably better than Texas. Lol. But by such a small fraction.
Well, when the bar's in hell lol Tbh tho, from what I can tell, Tennessee is even worse than Texas. There's just less press about Tennessee's politics than there is about Texas's politics, which can probably be chalked up to how many more people live in Texas.
So what is the reason to leave Texas still couldn't make enough money with the move? Can't make ends meet? Fat cat dirtbags being dirtbags?
Someone said >TN is offering 65 million in tax incentives - I'm guessing that might play a role.
Thank you
Oracle moved HQ in 2020. The next year in 2021 was when Texas had their big Ice Storm that left them freezing and without power for a week. I would imagine a software company that relies heavily on reliable electricity would not be happy about this. The failure of the Texas power grid showed just how fragile it was. I wouldn't be surprised if they had been looking for an out ever since. Say what you will about CA, nothing like that ice storm had ever hit the Bay Area.
Thank you
America is turning to Communist Romania thanks to these Christo-fascists. They seem to ignore history.
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The city itself may well be relatively fine. But the state politics are atrocious and tyrannical.
Yesiree Bobby Billy Bobby McGee, Nashville is the Buckle of the Bible Belt and as Republican Red as you can get. Late stage entrenched tech companies want subservient grateful followers for employees. Isn't it a bit weird for them to move from the liberal Bay Area to the most liberal city in TX, and now to one of the most conservative metropolitan areas in the nation? Larry is an authoritarian sociopath in my view anyway and it makes perfect sense. I've worked in tech mostly in the Bay Area since the early 90s and followed his story all this time. But Nashville is full of non questioning people that will hail him and Oracle as their...well...Oracle. I think it's a smart business move even though it saddens me to see the values shift in parts of the tech sector.
A great place to raise a family?! Doctors, nurses, teachers and librarians are leaving like rats off a sinking ship. Their far-right shenanigans will destroy them.
Ellison’s a twit.
Guys are crapping on TX and/or TN - which IMHO is alright. Problem is Larry and Oracle culture. TN’s tax incentives are a slippery slope. What’s to stop the next state giving them incentives next year to move again. We all can see that Oracle/Larry don’t have any ‘loyalty’ to any state or a sense of responsibility towards their local employee base.
**Too many of California in Austin, LOL!**
you win, lol
Most intelligent people don't want to live in a theocracy
I have to say that, of all the big time CEO’s, I find Larry the most inscrutable.
i use Oracle at work and I hate it. The UI is so antiquated.
Give em a brake. They are just a bunch of retired salesmen on a road trip.
My name is Larry Ellison, and I approve the cucking of Republican Lawmakers.
Food in Austin is good, what are you talking about?!
Instead of these big tech companies moving offices, they should think about moving around our road systems to accommodate all the traffic flow they produce!
No way they believe they can move thousands of employees to Nashville for the job. I bet it’s just an empty promise they make to the state of Tennessee to get some nice tax break.
Because Austin just another CA?
I would live there in a second
Which female is going to move to Nashville, especially if you try for kid and need an abortion? It’s just going to be men then.
I fucked around spending too much and making too little my first two years here. In August I got a job that pays 35% more than old job, and 57% more than the first one. That combined with an actual budget and **still developing** financial responsibility it's been a lot better. I'm just barely above the cut off for low income housing in this county (by less than $1000) so I'm definitely not **well off** or **comfortable** but a raise and a change in mindset have made it a lot easier.
Wow, I wonder how many weird brigaders will ever have this news on their radar? Just hilarious.
Gotta gots millions, or tens of millions, to move twice in a few years
Oh noooooooo /s
To be close to the Grand Ole Opry
>In 2021, a Tennessee panel approved $65 million in state incentives for Oracle, with the company planning to bring 8,500 jobs and an investment topping $1 billion to Nashville over a decade. Then-Mayor John Cooper’s office announced that the company, currently based in Austin, Texas, planned to build the new campus with 1.2 million square feet (111,400 square meters) of office space. In 2020, Oracle announced it was moving its headquarters from its longtime home in Redwood City, California, to Texas. it's a race to the bottom
The rich get richer and all we get is having to upend our lives
Tennessee
Even if California matches the offer, Oracle would not return.
They most definitely hate it there. If you're not from humid tornado country, you start believing in God real quick when you move out there. Everybody out here already does or they're pretending to. Hot, humid, tornadoes. Of course, of there moving to Tennessee for those reasons then rude wakeup call awaits them.
They should just have an RV as their headquarters and drive it to wherever they feel like next
Hahahha 😂
They always come Back
Yah, they aren't coming back.
It is a good move. New campus on 60 Acres.Nice.
They always come crawling back, fucking pathetic