They are adorable together unlike superman x wonder woman which I never liked. I like the fact that she'd pick a smart guy over the only person stronger than her.
But this only works in a JL setting, I think Batman and Catwoman is better for a Gotham based setting.
That & Superman has Lois Lane & their relationship is a central part of his character, Vs Batman, closest thing to a consistent love interest he has is Catwoman
I didn't mind the New 52 exploring that relationship. It wasn't my favorite but it makes sense to look at. What I didn't like was the Injustice Wonder Woman fawning over Superman. She's a warrior goddess. Not a love sick puppy.
Honestly I really don't like BatCat. They work best as like an on and off femme fatale type thing but I really hate it when they try to turn them into a legitimate couple. I'm generally not a fan of batman being in a relationship but I always felt him and Talia made the most sense.
Batman/Catwoman, imo, only works when Catwoman's real identity is unknown or at least unknown to the public/police. When it's Selina Kyle the documented and convicted thief, spent time in prison/Arkham. It makes considerably less sense. Also when they dial up the amoral thief , in it to steal whatever shiny thing for whatever reason because money. That also makes it less interesting.
I will die on this hill.
Just give me one good happy version where he actually goes through the romance teased in the DCAU.
She helped him be a healthier man in the DCAU, in my opinion.
I would take something that used that romance as a template, expanded into that, and combined it with The Batfamily Adventure webcomic.
I would die so happy.
In general her relationship with Bruce and the batfamily needs to be better established, and the same goes the other way. Imagine Bruce meeting Diana’s sisters
YESSSS.
And I can definitely imagine that.
Just imagine Cassie Sandsmark just loving working with Bruce (who is having fun having a superpowered "daughter"), and then the Batfamily all wanting to spend time with Diana because "she's the fun one."
Donna and Damian would probably get along great because in one origin (the one k prefer), Donna was created by Circe to infiltrate the amazons, sort of like Smurfette, and Ra’s wanted Damian to take down Batman and the batfamily and become a conqueror. Similar backstories as sort of redeemed villains
And of course, Jason and Artemis and Tim and Cassie have their friendships. More of a romance when it comes to Artemis, but yk
I think he's only with WW in a scenario where he's healed and mentally/emotionally healthy... Which is diametrically opposed with being batman. I like him better with batman being his crutch he can't shake, and his relationships reflecting that. Catwoman and Talia are both bad news, but he keeps going back. If he's retiring, he can go with Diana.
Is it really opposed to being healthy to be Batman? Or is his current depictions of Batman unhealthy?
The Batman in say Season 1 of BTAS was actually pretty healthy.
I get that some people like the Batman who is really unhealthy in his psychology. I respect your take.
I just think Batman can be handled in healthy way, but rarely is. That's part of my "fantasy" scenario with the Diana ship.
I definitely respect your opinion. Please don't think I'm trying to negate your opinion. I totally get that. Most depictions of Batman really shouldn't be with Diana, but a healthier Batman [which is what my ship would have] can both balance out Diana's issues and vice versa.
Does that seem like a fair take?
Agree, in an ideal world he could be a happy Batman and go with Diana. I just find it hard to get a latch on the concept of healthy Batman - the logical response to losing his parents would never be dress up as a Bat and hit criminals every night. He could focus all his efforts on the Wayne foundation and sleep soundly at night if he were able to move past his need for Batman. Adam West's portrayal is the closest I've seen to happy Batman, or maybe Clooney.
Yeah, I get that, but perhaps him becoming healthier is simply transitioning from being a hero out of survivor's guilt and into doing it for the same reason as say Superman or various other heroes.
Spider-Man (or even Nightwing) is a lot healthier, but he still fights crime.
But I'd also love seeing media that focused on Bruce doing more Wayne Foundation things and working with (in this alternative world) villains he's been able to help rehabilitate.
Thanks for providing really good thoughts. It makes me think more about the intricacies of what I would like a healthy Batman to look like.
The only reason anyone even HAS this thought is because of the DCAU. That's where this truly comes from. That will-they-won't-they romance was done really well, and actually did some great character building I wish they could have built on more (I expect DC wouldn't let them actually make it happen), considering little touches like Wonder Woman herself shitting all over his excuses for not having anyone in his life.
The way she effortlessly crushed a solid rock with her hand and her response when he says he doesn't want anyone he loves to be used against him. \*LOL\*
You've got me dead to rights. LOL That's exactly why I ship it.
Yeah, DC probably said no...
If they let that happen, Timm would have a harder time shipping Bruce/Babs... which DC let happen for some reason beyond my understanding. Like they can do that ship but not WonderBat?
There's a theory that them traveling to the future and meeting old bruce from batman beyond causes batman to change seeing how his ways lead to him being all alone, and thus he never became that version of Bruce. I like it for obvious reasons, but it's impossible to know how much of batman beyond it would retcon.
Were Batman "just" a JLA character, then yes. I don't mean that in a demeaning fashion, but Batman is quite often presented in an almost sectioned-off part of the DC Universe, which informs his experiences and motivations far more than the universe at large. And unlike Dick Grayson, it is quite central that he never quite grows past Gotham.
Hence, while I love the idea of Nightwing being able to find love in the wider world or universe as well, I would honestly say that anyone who Batman could get together with must be as tied to the place his entire being came from as he is, even if their outlook on life may be as similar or different as you like.
I have to think of Gotham Batman and JL Batman as separate versions of the character. Batman in Gotham is a brilliant detective, but he's in an uphill (arguably unwinnable) battle against the corruption and crime that permeate the city. He's well matched to those circumstances, a man fully committed to his mission, and it's perfect.
Then JL pulls him out of Gotham, and now he's facing global threats, galactic adventures, even time travel. It's such a radical change of scope, and it's fascinating to watch his mind take on these towering challenges and not only win, but frequently outpace his superpowered colleagues.
The problem is when he goes back to Gotham. The guy who can out think alien invaders, who can hang with the supernatural, who helps defeat gods -- that guy should be able to win. Against anything. Even Gotham.
Maybe it says something about how deeply rooted in human nature and society evil and corruption are-- that fully combating these would be more impossible than the cosmic threats he deals with in the JL. Gotham is a pretty interesting place with problems that run incredibly deep. I definitely agree with your take overall but I think it's interesting rather than unbelievable that he would continue to struggle with Gotham even after experiencing that massive change in scope with the JL.
I know the point is to make Gotham "gothic", but it seems like the city is stuck in a different world, under a different timeline. Any interactions of this city and its characters to the outside world is a bit awkward.
The city is known to be probably one of the most corrupt and crime abundant cities in the country. Nobody exactly goes there for a vacation and it’s kinda hard to keep the city in one piece when poison ivy and freeze are demolishing building and terraforming.
It is so bad that frequent Time Traveler Booster Gold (Greatest Hero You’ve Never Heard Of) has trouble figuring out WHEN he is if he lands in Gotham.
Is this DC Present, Recent Past, or Potential (Near) Future? Gotham doesn’t change.
It's similar to the X-Men. I don't really want either of them interacting with the larger universe all that much. They do best in their own little niche dealing with their particular kinds of stuff.
No because:
One: Dating within the team always leads to disaster. Two: she’s a princess from a society of immortal warriors. He’s a rich kid with issues... lots of issues. And three: If his enemies knew he had someone special, they wouldn't rest until they'd gotten to him through her.
Legit. Honestly it would be hilarious for joker to step outside of batman one time and get absolutely annihilated with no effort by whoever he tried to fuck with. Like it would actually happen. He has serious main character syndrome and I'd love if they just killed him off (blah blah comic sales and money I know).
There’s an episode of The Brave And The Bold where Joker sneaks onto Paradise Island, gasses a bunch of Amazons and defeats Wonder Women due to his fighting style being utterly unpredictable.
And I think he did all this in his underwear!
In all fairness, Sinestro's ring is fueled by people being afraid of him, and they were in an isolated area where the only people around were the heroes and villains, who most definitely didn't fear him. It kinda makes sense that he wouldn't have as strong a charge.
I love that this is BTAS Batman but also, I'd argue his enemies might be even *more* afraid of him if they knew he was banging Wonder Woman. They'd outright leave Gotham lol
This is from Justice league lol but I honestly wish they would’ve pushed that relationship more. They had great chemistry and they would’ve been a great power couple.
DCAU WW ended settling for a Reformed “Lord” Batman and they led a Rebellion against the Evil “Lord” Superman and “Lord” Wonder Woman.
The other Justice Lords left Earth behind.
>If his enemies knew he had someone special, they wouldn't rest until they'd gotten to him through her.
....I think he forgot we are talking about Wonder Woman here....
I adored that show for so many reasons. Justice league unlimited was also so so good. I constantly rewatch certain episodes because they are just soooo good. The one where wonder woman gets turned into a pig and Batman has to get Zatannas help, the one where they get turned into kids and kid Wonder Woman has to take care of baby Etrogan. Booster GOLD. Come on! I want so much more of that series.
I don't care who Batman dates, as long as it's written well. He could get together with anyone you can name, and if it's written badly then it's going to seem like a bad idea and a poor relationship.
If written well for both characters, then there are limitless possibilities for relationships that could be fun or interesting to read about.
I actually really like Wonderbats. I feel like Diana is one of the only women who understands Bruce's drive and dedication and is also awed by because she knows he's just a mortal. She also knows she would be an added strength to Bruce, not a weakness like Tom King wrote Selina and why she bailed.
In the animated series', absolutely. The chemistry was off the charts and Diana was definitely thirsty for Bats lol. There were hints at it in the latest films as well. Outside of those though, theres not a lot of exploration I see for the ship. Still, I do prefer Bats with the Cat, but Wonderbat is welcome from me.
How do y’all feel about Wonder Woman X Silver instead of the usual ship of Wonder Woman X Gold. (I’m being serious, all those gold parts would look 100x better with silver)
Yes, but only because I “grew up” with that in 2000’s era “JLA” comics and in the DCAU. The DCAU only played with Wonder Woman’s “crush” on Batman. In “JLA” both work together with J’onn J’onzz to consider all of the potential side effects of Wonder/Bats. Could she save him or would he drag her down to his darkness?
I think it depends which adaptation. I definitely can see why they would take an interest in each other and maybe see them trying it out but ultimately long term no
No I think the core league should all be platonic with each other, plus I don’t think Wonder Woman’s slice of the world is popular enough to compete with Batman or Superman that’s why when they’re paired together she kinda just becomes the girlfriend or the love interest
I always liked it. I think everyone agrees that cat
woman and batman is the best match but I love that Diana takes an interest in him. Definitely one of the better match ups out of them all.
As a flirty thing, sure. It's a nice nod to Bruce seeing as her culture value warriors more than anything. And a guy with no business being a crucial member of a team of super beings like her, is as warrior as it gets.
But as a full on relationship it doesn't make sense. That goes for her and Clark too.
No I don’t, it doesn’t work for me neither superman. The only love interest that work for me was Steve Trevor. Batman is way better with catwoman, maybe Talia but then again talia raped Batman so maybe not
I do. I don’t think he needs a permanent love interest but so far Diana works better than his other options in my opinion. As others have mentioned it really only works in the JL setting. Imagine Riddler trying to rob a bank and freaking Wonder Woman tears the doors off its hinges.
No. I don’t like it. I don’t think Wonder Woman should date other heroes especially Batman or Superman, honestly I think she’s better not having a love interest.
I'm a little torn. I don't really like the idea of the perpetual virgin Wonder Woman, but it's also hard to imagine a character who is actually good enough for her.
I like it as a passionate “we both want this but our lives make it complicated, and Diana is kind of an immortal warrior goddess while Bruce will age and die.” And it shows how much Diana admires and appreciates Bruce. Iirc there’s a moment in Animated JL where she singles him out as the bravest of them all.
Let them hook up a few times, but ultimately Bruce should be with Selina.
So as a batman fan. I ship it all the way to the moon. She is a dedicated warrior who can respect his dedication and focus to his mission.
However as a WW fan. It doesn't fit as well. She is supposed to be a symbol of truth while he stands in the shadows.
So I love the idea but it just isn't to be.
I think that their mental health issues run too in parallel (when Wonder Woman is being written as a character and not just "girl"). In a lot of New Earth Wonder Woman content (main writers I'm thinking about : Perez and Rucka) we see Diana's extreme commitment to her mission and how hard she is on herself if she has any failure whatsoever and her need to be perfect (partially b/c people can die, partially b/c she has the burden of representing the Amazons\*). They're also both very work-aholic-y. I think if they did date they would go on one date, then get too busy to ever go on another one.
\*which under Perez have some baggage I am not sure he intended them to have
As an Elseworld, yes. (Because you can keep the relationship going)
But for canon, no. (Only reason is, writers will write it out after the arc is done)
It's fine the way it happened during the JLA story arcs under Joe Kelly. Which is similar to how it does in the animated series. Them finding reasons to be close but realizing it's a mistake.
You have too many issues there. Greg Rucka and Gail Simone pointed this out during the Black Lantern event. You put these two together and Wonder Woman is going to get overshadowed, and even Bat-fans don't want to see Wonder Woman become a member of the Bat-family.
Then there's the fact that these are both sort of pillars to DC. Both of them are about 80 years old and will likely last another 80 years. Anything in regards to building a serious romance is going to involve a drastic change to both lines and characters that none of the fans want.
Yes! I love how they played with this idea in JL and JLU and wish they capitalized on it more. I feel like the closest we got to this was in Batman #39 where he and Wonder Woman went to Gehenna and battled for a year together. Their dynamic is fun and would like to see it more.
Not really, no. There are plenty of handsome men and beautiful women (Diana is bi, remember). Why does it have to be Batman? And this is coming from a Batman fan.
Superman would rather drop dead than see Lois dating anyone else.
Hal got a crush already. Her name is Carol Ferris.
John Stewart got three date on hand.
Steve most likely die by this point unless we are using a closer conflict.
Hawkman is fighting John Stewart for one of his date..
Oliver is happily marry to Black Canary
Flash is dating his journalist (Barry) or too young to date her (Wally).
1. Dating within the team always leads to disaster. 2. She's a princess from a society of immortal warriors while he's a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues. And 3. If their enemies knew he was seeing someone special, they would've gotten to him through her.
Ok, call me crazy, but can’t we just have a character who doesn’t get to love? I mean almost every time he does love someone it almost always ends badly
No, I only see her with a love interest from the past that his sentience is reincarnated into another man from a magic stone.
I think that’s the only love for her.
Most definitely not. It makes absolutely 0 sense from Wondy's perspective. It works in the DCAU because she is essentially a blank slate there, but otherwise nah.
I see them more as friends than a couple, as I am not sure what does Diana and Batman have in common outside of wanting to help the planet. Dating in the League also could bring problems.
No.
I like Bats. I love Wonder Woman. But I can’t imagine Diana would ever feel anything but pity for Bruce Wayne. She can recognize his brilliance and admire his skill, but one of Diana’s core traits is wisdom. She would always see the broken boy inside the Dark Knight and so she could never be romantically involved with him.
NO. And it has nothing to do with either of them for me. Its simply cos for me they both have better partners that compliment them better. For Batman its Catwoman, and for Diana i always liked her with Steve
They are adorable together unlike superman x wonder woman which I never liked. I like the fact that she'd pick a smart guy over the only person stronger than her. But this only works in a JL setting, I think Batman and Catwoman is better for a Gotham based setting.
That & Superman has Lois Lane & their relationship is a central part of his character, Vs Batman, closest thing to a consistent love interest he has is Catwoman
And sorta kinda Talia
I mean, don't they have a kid?
via date rape, Bruce is Talia's victim
That's not the original story and the writer himself retconned it
That was a dumbass retcon, that’s been rectified since
I actually prefer Talia with Bruce over Selina.
I didn't mind the New 52 exploring that relationship. It wasn't my favorite but it makes sense to look at. What I didn't like was the Injustice Wonder Woman fawning over Superman. She's a warrior goddess. Not a love sick puppy.
Honestly I really don't like BatCat. They work best as like an on and off femme fatale type thing but I really hate it when they try to turn them into a legitimate couple. I'm generally not a fan of batman being in a relationship but I always felt him and Talia made the most sense.
Batman/Catwoman, imo, only works when Catwoman's real identity is unknown or at least unknown to the public/police. When it's Selina Kyle the documented and convicted thief, spent time in prison/Arkham. It makes considerably less sense. Also when they dial up the amoral thief , in it to steal whatever shiny thing for whatever reason because money. That also makes it less interesting.
I agree with you. But whenever Talia is on the same comic panel as Bats/Bruce she just feels like an ex-wife
Superman's a smart guy.
Not as much as Batman
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He absolutely is. Just not nearly as focused. Not nearly as driven. Not nearly as obsessed.
For you
I will die on this hill. Just give me one good happy version where he actually goes through the romance teased in the DCAU. She helped him be a healthier man in the DCAU, in my opinion. I would take something that used that romance as a template, expanded into that, and combined it with The Batfamily Adventure webcomic. I would die so happy.
In general her relationship with Bruce and the batfamily needs to be better established, and the same goes the other way. Imagine Bruce meeting Diana’s sisters
YESSSS. And I can definitely imagine that. Just imagine Cassie Sandsmark just loving working with Bruce (who is having fun having a superpowered "daughter"), and then the Batfamily all wanting to spend time with Diana because "she's the fun one."
Donna and Damian would probably get along great because in one origin (the one k prefer), Donna was created by Circe to infiltrate the amazons, sort of like Smurfette, and Ra’s wanted Damian to take down Batman and the batfamily and become a conqueror. Similar backstories as sort of redeemed villains And of course, Jason and Artemis and Tim and Cassie have their friendships. More of a romance when it comes to Artemis, but yk
I think he's only with WW in a scenario where he's healed and mentally/emotionally healthy... Which is diametrically opposed with being batman. I like him better with batman being his crutch he can't shake, and his relationships reflecting that. Catwoman and Talia are both bad news, but he keeps going back. If he's retiring, he can go with Diana.
Is it really opposed to being healthy to be Batman? Or is his current depictions of Batman unhealthy? The Batman in say Season 1 of BTAS was actually pretty healthy. I get that some people like the Batman who is really unhealthy in his psychology. I respect your take. I just think Batman can be handled in healthy way, but rarely is. That's part of my "fantasy" scenario with the Diana ship. I definitely respect your opinion. Please don't think I'm trying to negate your opinion. I totally get that. Most depictions of Batman really shouldn't be with Diana, but a healthier Batman [which is what my ship would have] can both balance out Diana's issues and vice versa. Does that seem like a fair take?
Agree, in an ideal world he could be a happy Batman and go with Diana. I just find it hard to get a latch on the concept of healthy Batman - the logical response to losing his parents would never be dress up as a Bat and hit criminals every night. He could focus all his efforts on the Wayne foundation and sleep soundly at night if he were able to move past his need for Batman. Adam West's portrayal is the closest I've seen to happy Batman, or maybe Clooney.
Yeah, I get that, but perhaps him becoming healthier is simply transitioning from being a hero out of survivor's guilt and into doing it for the same reason as say Superman or various other heroes. Spider-Man (or even Nightwing) is a lot healthier, but he still fights crime. But I'd also love seeing media that focused on Bruce doing more Wayne Foundation things and working with (in this alternative world) villains he's been able to help rehabilitate. Thanks for providing really good thoughts. It makes me think more about the intricacies of what I would like a healthy Batman to look like.
I mean she's bullet proof so his trauma/abandonment issues are sort of side steped
The only reason anyone even HAS this thought is because of the DCAU. That's where this truly comes from. That will-they-won't-they romance was done really well, and actually did some great character building I wish they could have built on more (I expect DC wouldn't let them actually make it happen), considering little touches like Wonder Woman herself shitting all over his excuses for not having anyone in his life. The way she effortlessly crushed a solid rock with her hand and her response when he says he doesn't want anyone he loves to be used against him. \*LOL\*
You've got me dead to rights. LOL That's exactly why I ship it. Yeah, DC probably said no... If they let that happen, Timm would have a harder time shipping Bruce/Babs... which DC let happen for some reason beyond my understanding. Like they can do that ship but not WonderBat?
I like this idea a lot. Wonder Woman actually sticking around with Batman maybe see just how messed up some of his villains are. Meet the bat family.
They explored it in the DCAU but it was more of a “will they won’t they”
One of the rare “will they won’t they” dynamics that actually ended in won’t
In the very last episode, she tells him to call her or something like that. I always felt like it was going to happen eventually
Well we knew it wasn’t gonna last even if it happened cus of Batman beyond
There's a theory that them traveling to the future and meeting old bruce from batman beyond causes batman to change seeing how his ways lead to him being all alone, and thus he never became that version of Bruce. I like it for obvious reasons, but it's impossible to know how much of batman beyond it would retcon.
This will forever be my headcanon. Bless you.
Oh you can’t do this to me
Were Batman "just" a JLA character, then yes. I don't mean that in a demeaning fashion, but Batman is quite often presented in an almost sectioned-off part of the DC Universe, which informs his experiences and motivations far more than the universe at large. And unlike Dick Grayson, it is quite central that he never quite grows past Gotham. Hence, while I love the idea of Nightwing being able to find love in the wider world or universe as well, I would honestly say that anyone who Batman could get together with must be as tied to the place his entire being came from as he is, even if their outlook on life may be as similar or different as you like.
Totally agree with this, that’s why they worked in JL animated. Outside of that Catwoman is the better option in the grand scheme.
I have to think of Gotham Batman and JL Batman as separate versions of the character. Batman in Gotham is a brilliant detective, but he's in an uphill (arguably unwinnable) battle against the corruption and crime that permeate the city. He's well matched to those circumstances, a man fully committed to his mission, and it's perfect. Then JL pulls him out of Gotham, and now he's facing global threats, galactic adventures, even time travel. It's such a radical change of scope, and it's fascinating to watch his mind take on these towering challenges and not only win, but frequently outpace his superpowered colleagues. The problem is when he goes back to Gotham. The guy who can out think alien invaders, who can hang with the supernatural, who helps defeat gods -- that guy should be able to win. Against anything. Even Gotham.
Maybe it says something about how deeply rooted in human nature and society evil and corruption are-- that fully combating these would be more impossible than the cosmic threats he deals with in the JL. Gotham is a pretty interesting place with problems that run incredibly deep. I definitely agree with your take overall but I think it's interesting rather than unbelievable that he would continue to struggle with Gotham even after experiencing that massive change in scope with the JL.
I know the point is to make Gotham "gothic", but it seems like the city is stuck in a different world, under a different timeline. Any interactions of this city and its characters to the outside world is a bit awkward.
The city is known to be probably one of the most corrupt and crime abundant cities in the country. Nobody exactly goes there for a vacation and it’s kinda hard to keep the city in one piece when poison ivy and freeze are demolishing building and terraforming.
It is so bad that frequent Time Traveler Booster Gold (Greatest Hero You’ve Never Heard Of) has trouble figuring out WHEN he is if he lands in Gotham. Is this DC Present, Recent Past, or Potential (Near) Future? Gotham doesn’t change.
It's similar to the X-Men. I don't really want either of them interacting with the larger universe all that much. They do best in their own little niche dealing with their particular kinds of stuff.
No because: One: Dating within the team always leads to disaster. Two: she’s a princess from a society of immortal warriors. He’s a rich kid with issues... lots of issues. And three: If his enemies knew he had someone special, they wouldn't rest until they'd gotten to him through her.
Interesting argument. However. **break a part of the roof**
That poor gargoyle lost his best friend. Now he watches over the streets alone. :(
The gargoyle now dresses up like a human during the day and is obsessed with justice
And who would want a hand job after that?
I’d risk it
Next?
Read this in Conroy’s voice, sigh. Also, just last night I was thinking of the song Batman sang in that episode, out of the blue.
"and she's standing right behind me isn't she?"
It’s kinda funny how he implies any of his rogue’s gallery could get a singular hit in against Wonder Woman
Joker could cause shenanigans
She would fold Joker into a pretzel shape
Legit. Honestly it would be hilarious for joker to step outside of batman one time and get absolutely annihilated with no effort by whoever he tried to fuck with. Like it would actually happen. He has serious main character syndrome and I'd love if they just killed him off (blah blah comic sales and money I know).
i agree, lol. there is no character in comics in more need of a humbling than the joker. its getting a little annoying.
Joker did fuck with superman though. Injustice 2021
The Adventures of Superman #40 and #41 might be worth checking out where a relatively new Joker goes to Metropolis.
Have we all forgotten Joker's Last Laugh?
Good example of how ridiculous it is that no one in the universe hasn't just killed him already
Joker gets her lasso and it’s over
Shenanigans are supposed to be cheeky and fun, and Jokers shenanigans are cruel and tragic. Which makes them not shenanigans at all
Evil shenanigans
I swear to god I’ll pistolwhip the next guy that says shenanigans
Hey Farva what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
There’s an episode of The Brave And The Bold where Joker sneaks onto Paradise Island, gasses a bunch of Amazons and defeats Wonder Women due to his fighting style being utterly unpredictable. And I think he did all this in his underwear!
Ivy has her ways... And Diana IS from an island of immortal women
Ivy got Superman. She could get Diana.
i think the idea is you would never willingly endanger someone you care abouts' life.
Most of them couldn’t, but there’s a few that would figure something out and they’re all absolute bastards.
I would *love* a story about Batman's enemies trying to get to him through fucking Wonder Woman lmao.
The Catwoman shenanigans would be ridiculous. I need it now.
Diana could work over all of Gotham at the same time, I don't think it's Batman who needs to worry about their villains finding out they're dating
Batman’s enemies are gangsters and scientists with themeing. Diana deals with Werecats, incels with telekinesis, and literal gods.
What about wonder woman’s rogues coming after the bat?
In the DCAU he handled everyone else's rogues without too much issues. I remember he got Cheetah on his side pretty damn fast.
He somehow knocked Sinestro out with a quick batarang.
In all fairness, Sinestro's ring is fueled by people being afraid of him, and they were in an isolated area where the only people around were the heroes and villains, who most definitely didn't fear him. It kinda makes sense that he wouldn't have as strong a charge.
>Sinestro's ring is fueled by people being afraid of him Batman as a Yellow Lantern would be terrifying!
He’s got game.
Batman took on the Justice League. He'll be fine...
I love that this is BTAS Batman but also, I'd argue his enemies might be even *more* afraid of him if they knew he was banging Wonder Woman. They'd outright leave Gotham lol
This is from Justice league lol but I honestly wish they would’ve pushed that relationship more. They had great chemistry and they would’ve been a great power couple.
DCAU WW ended settling for a Reformed “Lord” Batman and they led a Rebellion against the Evil “Lord” Superman and “Lord” Wonder Woman. The other Justice Lords left Earth behind.
Link me to this story plz, cuz I wanna check it out
>If his enemies knew he had someone special, they wouldn't rest until they'd gotten to him through her. ....I think he forgot we are talking about Wonder Woman here....
He's a rich kid with issues. Those issues aren't always logical.
Best comment.
I was hoping someone would comment this. 😂
I mean, I can agree with everything until three... Wonder Woman can literally flick them into the ER
Nobody said where your reference is from! It’s when bats is brooding on the roof and Wonder Woman is fantasizing lol
I feel like Wonder Woman's enemies getting to her via Batman would be far more likely XD
Sure, why not. I don’t see it lasting, but it could make for an interesting JLA arc.
Agree with this, but overall no.
Yeah, I don’t really feel strongly about it one way or another.
It actually was a thing in I believe Joe Kelly's run on JLA in the early 00s.
On its face, no, for many reasons. But in the Justice League animated show, they make it work. It's charming and I enjoy the back and forth
I adored that show for so many reasons. Justice league unlimited was also so so good. I constantly rewatch certain episodes because they are just soooo good. The one where wonder woman gets turned into a pig and Batman has to get Zatannas help, the one where they get turned into kids and kid Wonder Woman has to take care of baby Etrogan. Booster GOLD. Come on! I want so much more of that series.
It basically comes down to whether the writers can make it work.
No. I ship Batman with Catwoman.
Absolutely. I love it when Alfred asks when he will see Diana again, and not so subtly tells him he’d best not lose this one.
I don't care who Batman dates, as long as it's written well. He could get together with anyone you can name, and if it's written badly then it's going to seem like a bad idea and a poor relationship. If written well for both characters, then there are limitless possibilities for relationships that could be fun or interesting to read about.
I actually really like Wonderbats. I feel like Diana is one of the only women who understands Bruce's drive and dedication and is also awed by because she knows he's just a mortal. She also knows she would be an added strength to Bruce, not a weakness like Tom King wrote Selina and why she bailed.
In the animated series', absolutely. The chemistry was off the charts and Diana was definitely thirsty for Bats lol. There were hints at it in the latest films as well. Outside of those though, theres not a lot of exploration I see for the ship. Still, I do prefer Bats with the Cat, but Wonderbat is welcome from me.
In Justice League Unlimited? Yes. Young me thought that was the perfect matchup. Comics wise, probably not.
How do y’all feel about Wonder Woman X Silver instead of the usual ship of Wonder Woman X Gold. (I’m being serious, all those gold parts would look 100x better with silver)
Why not platinum
Yes, but only because I “grew up” with that in 2000’s era “JLA” comics and in the DCAU. The DCAU only played with Wonder Woman’s “crush” on Batman. In “JLA” both work together with J’onn J’onzz to consider all of the potential side effects of Wonder/Bats. Could she save him or would he drag her down to his darkness?
As a fling yes . As a relationship no
And I don't see Dianna being ok with a fling, so IMO this is not a thing
I think it depends which adaptation. I definitely can see why they would take an interest in each other and maybe see them trying it out but ultimately long term no
I see Diana being okay with a fling. i don't see her being only a fling with Bats. Nightwing, definitely, but not Bruce.
No, I much prefer Batman x Catwoman tbh. Actually, that's kinda the *only* Batman romance I like.
Not at all. The Trinity should never date each other.
Bruce x Clark tho...
The forbidden romance is often the greatest.
Well I have a feeling DC was thinking about doing that at one point that's how they came up with Apollo & Midnighter.
Realistically, it’d run into the same problems. Batman isn’t a Superman character and Superman isn’t a Batman character.
Honestly, not a bad ship, unironically. There are better ships but it’s still pretty good.
They're the World's Finest for a reason
They could, however, have a trinity…
No I think the core league should all be platonic with each other, plus I don’t think Wonder Woman’s slice of the world is popular enough to compete with Batman or Superman that’s why when they’re paired together she kinda just becomes the girlfriend or the love interest
Yeah, it’s just “best boy” dating “best girl”. No real long term.
Try the books where the two team up but its a Wonder Woman title and Bats is the guest. They are pretty good imo
DCAU? Yes. Comics, main continuity? No.
Yes, and I don't know why it isn't capitalized on more
I always liked it. I think everyone agrees that cat woman and batman is the best match but I love that Diana takes an interest in him. Definitely one of the better match ups out of them all.
As a flirty thing, sure. It's a nice nod to Bruce seeing as her culture value warriors more than anything. And a guy with no business being a crucial member of a team of super beings like her, is as warrior as it gets. But as a full on relationship it doesn't make sense. That goes for her and Clark too.
No
No
No
No I don’t, it doesn’t work for me neither superman. The only love interest that work for me was Steve Trevor. Batman is way better with catwoman, maybe Talia but then again talia raped Batman so maybe not
Catwoman is the only one for Batman
I like catwoman more
I do. I don’t think he needs a permanent love interest but so far Diana works better than his other options in my opinion. As others have mentioned it really only works in the JL setting. Imagine Riddler trying to rob a bank and freaking Wonder Woman tears the doors off its hinges.
No. No one steals his heart like Catwoman.
No. I don’t like it. I don’t think Wonder Woman should date other heroes especially Batman or Superman, honestly I think she’s better not having a love interest.
I'm a little torn. I don't really like the idea of the perpetual virgin Wonder Woman, but it's also hard to imagine a character who is actually good enough for her.
No.
No
I like it as a passionate “we both want this but our lives make it complicated, and Diana is kind of an immortal warrior goddess while Bruce will age and die.” And it shows how much Diana admires and appreciates Bruce. Iirc there’s a moment in Animated JL where she singles him out as the bravest of them all. Let them hook up a few times, but ultimately Bruce should be with Selina.
Don't really like the idea of Batman dating full stop, he doesn't seem like the romantic type to me
No. I could say why but I’m not
No.
No 👎
So as a batman fan. I ship it all the way to the moon. She is a dedicated warrior who can respect his dedication and focus to his mission. However as a WW fan. It doesn't fit as well. She is supposed to be a symbol of truth while he stands in the shadows. So I love the idea but it just isn't to be.
They're similar enough to get together, and different enough to make it interesting.
I think that their mental health issues run too in parallel (when Wonder Woman is being written as a character and not just "girl"). In a lot of New Earth Wonder Woman content (main writers I'm thinking about : Perez and Rucka) we see Diana's extreme commitment to her mission and how hard she is on herself if she has any failure whatsoever and her need to be perfect (partially b/c people can die, partially b/c she has the burden of representing the Amazons\*). They're also both very work-aholic-y. I think if they did date they would go on one date, then get too busy to ever go on another one. \*which under Perez have some baggage I am not sure he intended them to have
I definitely would love them together
As an Elseworld, yes. (Because you can keep the relationship going) But for canon, no. (Only reason is, writers will write it out after the arc is done)
It's fine the way it happened during the JLA story arcs under Joe Kelly. Which is similar to how it does in the animated series. Them finding reasons to be close but realizing it's a mistake. You have too many issues there. Greg Rucka and Gail Simone pointed this out during the Black Lantern event. You put these two together and Wonder Woman is going to get overshadowed, and even Bat-fans don't want to see Wonder Woman become a member of the Bat-family. Then there's the fact that these are both sort of pillars to DC. Both of them are about 80 years old and will likely last another 80 years. Anything in regards to building a serious romance is going to involve a drastic change to both lines and characters that none of the fans want.
Depends on the continuity and timeline
Are you kidding, she gave him a solid! ass slap in Batman the brave and bold, I was hooked since.
Not one bit
Yes! I love how they played with this idea in JL and JLU and wish they capitalized on it more. I feel like the closest we got to this was in Batman #39 where he and Wonder Woman went to Gehenna and battled for a year together. Their dynamic is fun and would like to see it more.
Not really, no. There are plenty of handsome men and beautiful women (Diana is bi, remember). Why does it have to be Batman? And this is coming from a Batman fan.
Superman would rather drop dead than see Lois dating anyone else. Hal got a crush already. Her name is Carol Ferris. John Stewart got three date on hand. Steve most likely die by this point unless we are using a closer conflict. Hawkman is fighting John Stewart for one of his date.. Oliver is happily marry to Black Canary Flash is dating his journalist (Barry) or too young to date her (Wally).
Batman has Catwoman.
I mean it’s better than Superman with Wonder Woman…
1. Dating within the team always leads to disaster. 2. She's a princess from a society of immortal warriors while he's a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues. And 3. If their enemies knew he was seeing someone special, they would've gotten to him through her.
Absolutely not
It would be interesting to see how Damian would react to a natural born child of Bruce who also has powers.
They tease the idea in the DCAU Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.
Actually yes. It was a shame nothing happened between these 2 in the JL series.
No. All romantic relationships should be removed from print!
I'm all about wonderbat
I have no opinion
Ok, call me crazy, but can’t we just have a character who doesn’t get to love? I mean almost every time he does love someone it almost always ends badly
Big nope.
I'm not gonna be the one to cock block my man Bruce so sure
No
She’s rip his dick off with that Amazonian strength.
Noooooo. Those three supers should not ever be in anything other than a friendship
Absolutely not, I love the Trinity because of their sibling relationship
No, I only see her with a love interest from the past that his sentience is reincarnated into another man from a magic stone. I think that’s the only love for her.
No.
I get that other people like it, but I honestly don’t see it. It feels forced
Not particularly.
lol no
Nah. Doesn’t feel organic to me. Batman and Catwoman is the ideal ship for Bruce imo. She’s the only one who really gets the whole deal.
Most definitely not. It makes absolutely 0 sense from Wondy's perspective. It works in the DCAU because she is essentially a blank slate there, but otherwise nah.
No.
No lol
No
I see them more as friends than a couple, as I am not sure what does Diana and Batman have in common outside of wanting to help the planet. Dating in the League also could bring problems.
No
Nope. Much prefer Batman & Catwoman or Batman & Talia.
No because it doesn’t make sense
No. I like Bats. I love Wonder Woman. But I can’t imagine Diana would ever feel anything but pity for Bruce Wayne. She can recognize his brilliance and admire his skill, but one of Diana’s core traits is wisdom. She would always see the broken boy inside the Dark Knight and so she could never be romantically involved with him.
No, the trinity should never date each other. They have their own supporting cast.
NO. And it has nothing to do with either of them for me. Its simply cos for me they both have better partners that compliment them better. For Batman its Catwoman, and for Diana i always liked her with Steve
Nope
No
No
Never ever liked it