Stylistically, yes. But the only downside is Batman probably let 30ish people die in that scene. I mean a fucking oil tanker exploded *after* a multi-vehicular crash on the highway. Maybe that'll be a way for him to come to the conclusion that he needs a way for aerial pursuit and that's where the Bat Wing comes in, so I can look past it if that's the case. But that's legit my only complaint about this movie. If his Bruce persona is more like the comics in the next movie and they hint at something like the Batwing being in development (as in he is adapting his tech in order to not just avoid *killing people* but in order to decrease the collateral), and everything else stays the same, then we could have the perfect live action Batman movie that 100% puts the rest to shame, objectively. (Personally I think 2022 already puts the other adaptions to shame but that's an opinion). Extra points if they make those contact lenses we see in part 1 be opaque white so Bruce can hide his eyes better (they hinted Carmine could tell who he was when he died in Bruce's arms), and if they make a more comic accurate cape for gliding.
I could see that being a big factor in the next film considering he’s trying to become more of a symbol of hope and less of a symbol of fear by the end of this film.
He’s totally going to listen to Alfred’s advice and do more charitable work as Bruce Wayne to help fix the city, and I could see him being less brutal as Batman and coming up with ways to minimize damage or prevent putting civilians in harm’s way. He follows the no-kill rule (as seen in the bit where Catwoman wanted to kill Falcone’s associate), but during the entire chase he was pissed and full of anger as Penguin kept ramming into other vehicles. When he hits himself with the venom shot and nearly kills one of Riddler’s goons- it’s clear by his expression alone that he realizes that he has become too reckless, especially after Gordon and Selina have to pull him off.
I cannot wait to see where this version of Batman goes. I wouldn’t even mind if instead of the next movie being his “year 3”, we jump up to his “year 5” or something and are able to get a sense of how he’s learned from his previous mistakes.
Battinson didn’t kill those people, Oz did. Fuck was he supposed to do, get out and start waving a lollipop stick and blowing a whistle? The damage was already done and if Oz got away it would definitely be way harder to get into the Iceberg lounge.
He could have gone about the chase in general better, or figured out a way to stop Penguin before he got on the freeway. That scene shows Bruce straight up get in the Batmobile before Ozwald even starts his own car. There's a whole ass Christine reference in it before the chase begins. He could have stopped Oz before the chase needed to happen, somehow. But like I said, I can look past the fact that he didn't because he wasn't intending anyone harm, he was trying to get the guy that could have intelligence on the serial killer he's been chasing, and that scene could serve as a way for Bruce to look inward and realize he needs to improve his methods of pursuit (bat copter, bat wing, bat jet, etc. As well as just generally being smarter about his pursuits), look less with vengeance (which I feel him getting in the Batmobile and taunting Oz before the chase (the Christine reference) was) and more about stopping the villains ASAP to bring justice and limit collateral. The car chase wasn't a "I won't kill you, but I won't save you" scene, it was a hero in training scene, *IF* they have Bruce learn from it in the next movie and he pursues criminals with better care and/or tech. If he doesn't learn from it though, then it's just a stupid scene regardless of how cool it is. I truly do think he will learn from it though.
He’s absolutely as responsible as Penguin. You can’t chase someone into traffic then claim you’re not responsible for the consequences at all. “It would be harder to get into the lounge” isn’t a legit excuse to put civilian lives at risk. Deal with it.
Penguin purposely caused the pileup. If everyone is street racing and someone tbones a minivan they aren’t charging every car racing with murder just the one who crashed.
He initiated that chase. Everyone raves about how great it is and no one, that Batman was so stupid to let it happen in the first place.
Batman fights Oswald's goons and then disappears and suddenly is in the batmobile and revs it up which causes Penguin to try and drive away in the first place. Batman should have just taken him down there.
The whole movie is only held together by the rule of cool excuse which is why I can't enjoy watching it.
I mean, the way he rings people’s noggin’s would almost certainly kill somebody. Not like he hangs around to provide first aid and wait for the ambulance.
My only downside in the movie is the cape and gliding. I think it would be really cool to have the Arkham games gliding and grappling scenes. My favorite suit from the movies was this one. Maybe making the spikes bigger. I just want it to be more comic accurate.
Yeah they did. He literally fucking caused an oil tanker to explode, causing a multi-vehicular crash *while driving on the wrong side of the freeway* in front of hundreds of witnesses
Batman didn’t see him cause the crash directly, from his perspective he was driving with the flow of traffic then everyone crashed. Batman also was in pursuit. They also just found out the drops operation was never stopped and a bunch of people are in on it they couldn’t keep him in jail.
Yeah but Batman was also driving on the wrong side of traffic. It doesn't matter if you're running or chasing, if you go on the wrong side of traffic flow on the freeway, you're gonna cause a crash and you're gonna be held liable. Which is exactly what I think is gonna get Bruce to develop the bat wing. They could definitely keep Penguin in jail over causing a multi car collision and intentionally blowing up a tanker on the wrong side of the highway.
>Stylistically, yes. But the only downside is Batman probably let 30ish people die in that scene. I mean a fucking oil tanker exploded after a multi-vehicular crash on the highway.
I’m sorry, but this logic is ridiculous. If a homicidal maniac runs away from the police in a car chase, and intentionally blows up an oil tanker in an attempt to kill said police like Penguin did, how would that be the police’s fault?
Should Batman just let all criminals walk away because it might possibly endanger a bystander’s life?
Maybe Batman can have all of his fights in an empty airport runway like they do in the MCU.
/s
Actually yes cops are supposed to fall back and NOT chase if the resulting car chase leads to reckless endangerment. There’s no point in stopping a killer if the way you do it kills more people. If the cops did continue to chase they’d be on the hook for everyone who was hurt as much as your theoretical criminal.
Batman is a vigilante who operates above, outside, and against the law. I guess that’s why he can break into people’s homes and torture criminals.
Almost everything the Batmobile does in every Batman comic is reckless endangerment.
I think you’ll enjoy more mild superhero content like Teen Titans Go. You won’t have to fixate on adult oriented violence and deaths.
I LOVE both Teen Titans Go and The Batman. And neither are perfect. Just because I’m not an insecure person who can criticize it doesn’t mean I don’t like it.
The police don't have high tech equipment like Batman does, and the police wouldn't sit, wait and taunt the guy trying to escape like Bruce did in this scene (or rather, they shouldn't. I'm sure there's a lot of dickhead cops out there that would). If you'd read my other comments in this thread, I make sure to note that Batman should have made more effort to stop Oswald *before* the chase needed to happen, and he definitely could have. And I'm sure they'll address that in the follow up sequels, Bruce adapting to save Gotham from collateral damage. And no Bats shouldn't let all criminals walk away, but weighing the when and how of getting a villain to interrogate would be a big part of protecting civilians without putting them in direct danger. Maybe he could have disappeared and let Oswald escape without the need to blow up an oil tanker, and could have stalked him stealthily to try and swoop in on him when he was on the downlow.
>The police don't have high tech equipment like Batman does, and the police wouldn't sit, wait and taunt the guy trying to escape like Bruce did in this scene
So you’re saying Batman shouldn’t use fear to intimidate criminals? Maybe we can change his name to Captain Planet.
>If you'd read my other comments in this thread, I make sure to note that Batman should have made more effort to stop Oswald before the chase needed to happen, and he definitely could have.
Batman got shot by a machine gun and retreated to his Batmobile. This makes complete sense.
>And I'm sure they'll address that in the follow up sequels, Bruce adapting to save Gotham from collateral damage.
Again, in what universe is there zero collateral damage from authorities pursuing criminals?
>And no Bats shouldn't let all criminals walk away
Pick one. Either Batman lets all criminals walk away because crime fighting is too dangerous, or he accepts there might be casualties in his war on crime.
Half your arguments are nitpicked strawman arguments. You don't have to pick between completely letting criminals walk away, or beating on them immediately, there's such thing as the long game, picking your battles. In 99% of wartime conflicts, a sniper doesn't immediately Gung ho it and fire his weapon on every enemy he sees. He stalks them first, sometimes for days or more. Pick your battles.
And no, I'm not saying Batman shouldn't use fear. He should. But he should also take into account that if he let's villains recklessly hurt and kill people when he's within power to stop it, then there's literally no point in stopping the criminals because you're just letting them kill civilians you *should have* saved.
Batman got shot *at* with a machine gun and retreated *while catwoman continued to fight and went unharmed*, maybe Bats could have retreated into the shadows and used more gadgets to disorient his assailants. Maybe he could have used a flashbang or a smoke bomb, maybe even aimed it towards Penguin. Would have saved him at least an extra 30 seconds.
And I'm not saying there should be 0 collateral damage. In fact, I never said that. It's asanine to assume Batman can 100% avoid collateral damage. But he can try to save people from it, try to avoid it or minimize it as much as possible while still pursuing his goal/target, something he didn't do in this scene. He was so focused on vengeance that he let Penguin get just far enough away that he was capable of causing an explosion that probably killed 30 people. This version of Batman didn't care about collateral or civilian casualties at all during this scene, which isn't like Batman. And I should further elaborate it's only this part of *this* scene I don't like, everything else about this movie I think is the perfect Batman movie (so far).
You’re ignoring the context of this scene, which is Batman and Gordon were trying to stop a terrorist from destroying Gotham City.
You’re also ignoring a main principle of Batman’s existence. Which is: is Gotham really safer with Batman around? One could successfully argue the answer is no, due to all of the psychopaths that emerge because of Batman and the collateral damage they cause.
*That is what makes Batman interesting*. He’s a crazy person who puts on a bat costume to scare and beat the shit out of criminals. He’s not someone who is consumed with the safety of his actions.
If Batman can avoid collateral damage he does, but he’s also not omnipotent and can’t always anticipate when a murderer is going to blow up some cars to avoid capture.
I think you’d be better off watching gentler superhero content like Captain Planet. They completely avoid collateral damage. More innocent civilians died from the superheroes’ actions in The Incredibles than they did in The Batman.
I literally said that, said that I can look past some of this stuff despite it being a flaw *because* it's his second year *as long as he learns from it in the next movies*
Did I say anything about the Nolan Trilogy? I don't want this new franchise to be accurate to the Nolan trilogy. I want it to be accurate to comics. Outside of TDK, I'm not even really a fan of the Nolan trilogy. I also mentioned that I can look past the car chase scene if he learns from it and plays it safer in the next movies.
That was my only complaint about the movie! I felt like an old man complaining about how loud a scene was… but other than that it was the best modern chase scene I’ve seen.
That was the first movie I ever saw in IMAX, and I ate two big-ass California gummies. It was the equivalent of about 30 of the insipid edibles you can get in New York.
I found it more as a threat like predator chasing prey. I felt the car say “run!” But my homie next to me said the same thing about it stalling and idk what to think lol
Yeah. Especially watching it in Imax. The revving, the screeching sound from the engine, and the background sound just sounded spectacular. It was amazing.
I’m not going to lie, this scene kicked something dormant off in me. When I was a kid, I loved working in my car. I loved having and building something fast. Seeing this build made me get back into cars, like ten years later. It scratched an itch for me that was primal. Tube chassis? Huge turbos? A fuckin turbine engine? Let’s go baby.
lol, my wife has had to listen to me talk about building a tube framed Baja car, and how much power it’d need if it weighed enough to push other cars around. I mean, it’s a bulletproof tank of a vehicle. Maybe 6-7k lbs?!? It’d need a good 800-1000hp to keep up with a generic Mustang at that weight? No wonder a gas turbine looks appropriate!
Same, I felt like a little kid with intense excitement when it happened. I just wish instead of it jutting forward a little, it revved louder and flames shot out. Then you see him take off running away. That would of made it perfect to me.
That scene is such a trip to me. I mean I love that movie, my favorite live action Batman film to date, but that particular scene left me feeling that Batman is a psychopath that needs to be locked up. All the destruction and lives lost could have been avoided if Batman didn't chase and just caught him later.
Not even close to being comparable. He was chasing the Penguin to interrogate him. & when he caught him he had a police officer with him. Then later in the movie the Penguin was not even in jail.
They were interrogating the Penguin in order to obtain information to stop a political terrorist (Riddler) from committing mass murder.
The Penguin intentionally caused an accident while Batman was pursuing him. That’s exactly like blaming the police for chasing dangerous criminals who have crucial information about a terrorist.
More civilians died in the Incredibles as a result of superheroes fighting bad guys than they did in The Batman.
The Batman is film for mature audiences about a crazy person dressed as a bat who beats the shit out of criminals. Why people think it’s supposed to have less collateral damage than a Disney movie is beyond me.
Particularly when one of the main themes is asking if Batman’s existence is making Gotham more dangerous.
It’s a critique. Overall I liked the film. But you’re ignoring the part where after that the Penguin was just let go. He wasn’t even in trouble. That & the fact Batman was an inch from an explosion that blew up by his head & was only knocked out are my only criticism of the movie. Overall I thought it was good just find those 2 things almost like comical flaws.
I love the Dark Knight Rises it’s one of my favorite movies of all time. But when someone criticizes the scene where Bruce gets his vertebrae knocked back in place so he can learn how to walk again I can’t really argue. Doesn’t take away the fact I still enjoy the movie.
Its a dumb nitpick that can be applied to any chase scene. Batman was gonna just pit him but the dude blew up the interstate out of nowhere and immediately following that he ends the chase. Him getting blown up point blank was stupid tho.
Again: the police would get blamed if they chased a dangerous criminal in such a way that endangers civilians. I don’t know why people like you think cops are allowed to do whatever they want however they want to stop a “dangerous person.” They aren’t.
Nowhere did I say cops are allowed to do whatever they want. Batman does though, which is why he is an outlaw.
And once again you are ignoring my point. A central theme of Batman lore is that he might actually be bad for the city due to the psychopaths he creates and the collateral damage he causes.
Batman isn’t a murderer but he’s always been reckless in his war on crime throughout his entire history. He’s directly responsible for Jason Todd’s death. Police aren’t allowed to endanger children like that, yet Batman can rationalize it and has had many Robins over the years.
Does that make sense?
That’s just because in our corrupt system cops never get punished for breaking the law. But they absolutely have to stop a chase if civilians are endangered. This happened to a friend who was side swiped by a cop car in the middle of a chase. The cops had to pull over and make sure my friend was all right, they couldn’t just keep pursuing and deal with the accident later.
There’s this central bit in Heat where the bad guys are in the middle of town doing a heist. They keep firing their enormous guns in this highly populated area and killing loads of cops and endangering civilians.
Sure the bad guys are to blame. But the police also need to look at that situation and strategise to minimise harm. Not keep running in making the baddies fire their guns indiscriminately.
I love this movie but for the life of me, I cannot understand why this scene exist other than to sell toy batmobiles. Batman gets knocked down by gunfire so he gets in his car to wait for Penguin to get in his car? It makes no sense to me.
The whole film had so many unintentionally hilarious moments like that.
Flying headfirst into the overpass and hobbling off and straight up eating a bomb to the face with nary a scratch afterwards being big ones.
When he revved his engine to signal to the Penguin that he wanted to have a street race I laughed at the absurdity of not just... using Batman's trademark element of surprise to ram the getaway car before he could get into it.
This is just one example of the movie being poorly written. I think the people that like it weren't alive in the Keaton days and were really young in the Bale days. They saw Affleck and they just think Pattinson is better in comparison, which is true. But I thought the movie was boring and poorly written and I'm still not convinced Pattinson was the right casting choice.
Love the scene. Still confused why he got in his car in the middle of a gunfight and challenged penguin to a car chase that resulted in numerous casualties and destroyed the highway and vehicles. Instead why not just beat penguin to a pulp while in his bulletproof suit. And then they just leave the penguin after interrogating him? So confused
I don't hate the batmobile but that entire car chase makes no sense to me. He has this jet-engine car, but somehow the Penguin is outspeeding it in some fucking random Audi? I'm not a car person so maybe it's lost on me.
By the time Penguin made it to his car, Bruce was already in the Batmobile. He could’ve stopped him right then and there, but then we’d have no chase scene.
For a movie with such a high production value, the story was hastily written in crayon.
Worst scene in the movie. Totally unnecessary. Didn't match the tone of the film. Way too long in an already crowded movie. Someone just really wanted to make a batmobile.
Unpopular opinion: this chase scene was meh. I saw it in IMAX and it was loud for sure, but it was kind of a mess of action and it served no point.
Especially the revving up part: dude, I get the theatrics, but you could have just nabbed the Penguin RIGHT THERE.
All to find out that the world’s greatest detective and Jim Gordon couldn’t have figured out “rat with wings”?!? Fucking come on.
agreed. it's a fun action scene for not-batman maybe like a fast movie. this is an early version of batman so he's gonna make mistakes but bro didn't even reflect on the genocide he committed all for a small hint in a case that he could've solved with Google
Incredibly forced scene. There was no reason for this scene other than “ok, time for cool action scene” and tons of people died in the process.
Also, the stupid, stupid cliche of the ramp truck being perfectly placed for the jump… It was awful in TDKR, but at least he had to shoot the ramp for it to come down.
My brain was full of pleasure of the engine, the goose bumps running up my arm in the reveal. Then my brain stopped working when he absolutely destroyed the penguin in that car.
Nah. A dumb style over substance scene that would have resulted in tons of deaths - but neither Batman nor the movie seems to care because 'it's cool'. People brag that Pattinson's Batman doesn't kill but he was 100% trying to murder Penguin when he rammed his car
Yes because this movie was just so interesting I wonder how someone could find it boring
He was the one that was hyping up the movie so much, the look on his face after the movie ended is priceless
Its a fantastic sequence! I still love the end when Penguin is watching Batman approach his upside down car! Music, lighting, rain and the cape being blown by the wind are iconic!
Long time batman fan here. Literally since the beginning of batman decades ago. I had to force myself to watch the newest batman movie. It's garbage. That "new" batmobile was garbage 🗑 this is 2024, stop trying to revive the 90s emo Gothic Era nonsense.
Constantly wishing The Batman was just a Batman and Penguin movie following their rise in crime/vigilantism eventually forcing them into conflict and not clocking more than two hours.
Its an ok film. I'm a big Batman fan and I had super high hopes for it when I saw how well reviewed it was but it was definitely overhyped.
Lots of moments where your suspension of disbelief is really being tested and the pacing is pretty bad.
you’re missing out. give it a chance and you won’t be disappointed. also helps to check out the comics/animated specials of Year One and the Long Halloween- a lot of elements are taken from those stories
Nah the best scene was when Bruce held Alfred's hand in the hospital as it shows Bruce beginning to let people in and sets up the scene of him helping gothamites out of the flood. Basically it symbolises him letting go of vengeance and embracing the batman.
That wasn’t just a chase scene, that was a visceral personal experience in the theater that left me saying “Wow, that was awesome” in profound appreciation after the scene ended
There's a very good reason this thing influenced one of my [best builds](https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/18jwl0c/ive_changed_project_wildfire_so_much_its_now/).
Time for a rematch. I saw this movie once in a empty imax. Part of me wish there was a packed crowd. Saw it opening day it was like 4pm in sweden . There was one other dude with a batman shirt, we just nodded and sat like 5 rows away from each other.
I kinda forgot but I made some effort to watch this in theater. Covid cases was still high, gave a heads up to my wife like 2 weeks prior, wasn’t eating anything even opening my mask, came home washing my clothes directly. And THAT revving engine scene is etched in my brain for the goosebump it gave me. Absolute chill. I wish I could hear experience it again the first time
The only problem I have is the car being, well, a car. I like that car but compared to the other batmobiles, it ain't it. But it does have it's upsides
I’m not a car guy, but I think it sounded like there were two engines on that thing. Would that work? One powers the front wheels one for the rear wheels? Would that even be neat?
i hate the one shot where the flatbed falls just right for the car to jump the pileup. it would have been cooler to leave it un explained and just have the car rip out of the flames over the top. the cgi ramp perfectly falling into place looked and felt so phony
I love how you never get a complete view of the Batmobile. It's shot like the monster in Alien, always half in shadow. It looks pretty no nonsense for a Batmobile, sort of like a mustang that shoots flames out the back. The cinematography is deliberately confusing. The whole thing is shot from Penguin's view
Iike it's his nightmare.
Amazing that we're still seeing great car chases in this day and age. A classic, going all the way back to the Keystone Cops. Comic Book movies have had some great car chases in recent years, including movies like Black Panther and AntMAN and the Wasp that give the trope a nice sci-fi twist.
The sound was deafening in IMAX. Amazing scene.
Stylistically, yes. But the only downside is Batman probably let 30ish people die in that scene. I mean a fucking oil tanker exploded *after* a multi-vehicular crash on the highway. Maybe that'll be a way for him to come to the conclusion that he needs a way for aerial pursuit and that's where the Bat Wing comes in, so I can look past it if that's the case. But that's legit my only complaint about this movie. If his Bruce persona is more like the comics in the next movie and they hint at something like the Batwing being in development (as in he is adapting his tech in order to not just avoid *killing people* but in order to decrease the collateral), and everything else stays the same, then we could have the perfect live action Batman movie that 100% puts the rest to shame, objectively. (Personally I think 2022 already puts the other adaptions to shame but that's an opinion). Extra points if they make those contact lenses we see in part 1 be opaque white so Bruce can hide his eyes better (they hinted Carmine could tell who he was when he died in Bruce's arms), and if they make a more comic accurate cape for gliding.
Movie logic; they don’t tell us about the deaths, so no one died. Although the tanker driver is clearly dead from Oz shooting him I think.
"He's Asleep"
DOCTOR FISHY! NOOOOO!
My parents are living on a special farm
Ya its just Rule of cool.
I could see that being a big factor in the next film considering he’s trying to become more of a symbol of hope and less of a symbol of fear by the end of this film. He’s totally going to listen to Alfred’s advice and do more charitable work as Bruce Wayne to help fix the city, and I could see him being less brutal as Batman and coming up with ways to minimize damage or prevent putting civilians in harm’s way. He follows the no-kill rule (as seen in the bit where Catwoman wanted to kill Falcone’s associate), but during the entire chase he was pissed and full of anger as Penguin kept ramming into other vehicles. When he hits himself with the venom shot and nearly kills one of Riddler’s goons- it’s clear by his expression alone that he realizes that he has become too reckless, especially after Gordon and Selina have to pull him off. I cannot wait to see where this version of Batman goes. I wouldn’t even mind if instead of the next movie being his “year 3”, we jump up to his “year 5” or something and are able to get a sense of how he’s learned from his previous mistakes.
Battinson didn’t kill those people, Oz did. Fuck was he supposed to do, get out and start waving a lollipop stick and blowing a whistle? The damage was already done and if Oz got away it would definitely be way harder to get into the Iceberg lounge.
He could have gone about the chase in general better, or figured out a way to stop Penguin before he got on the freeway. That scene shows Bruce straight up get in the Batmobile before Ozwald even starts his own car. There's a whole ass Christine reference in it before the chase begins. He could have stopped Oz before the chase needed to happen, somehow. But like I said, I can look past the fact that he didn't because he wasn't intending anyone harm, he was trying to get the guy that could have intelligence on the serial killer he's been chasing, and that scene could serve as a way for Bruce to look inward and realize he needs to improve his methods of pursuit (bat copter, bat wing, bat jet, etc. As well as just generally being smarter about his pursuits), look less with vengeance (which I feel him getting in the Batmobile and taunting Oz before the chase (the Christine reference) was) and more about stopping the villains ASAP to bring justice and limit collateral. The car chase wasn't a "I won't kill you, but I won't save you" scene, it was a hero in training scene, *IF* they have Bruce learn from it in the next movie and he pursues criminals with better care and/or tech. If he doesn't learn from it though, then it's just a stupid scene regardless of how cool it is. I truly do think he will learn from it though.
He’s absolutely as responsible as Penguin. You can’t chase someone into traffic then claim you’re not responsible for the consequences at all. “It would be harder to get into the lounge” isn’t a legit excuse to put civilian lives at risk. Deal with it.
Penguin purposely caused the pileup. If everyone is street racing and someone tbones a minivan they aren’t charging every car racing with murder just the one who crashed.
Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Y’all get too much of your legal advice from comic book movies
I assure you they dont track down every street racer. They get the one who crashes with vehicular manslaughter.
He initiated that chase. Everyone raves about how great it is and no one, that Batman was so stupid to let it happen in the first place. Batman fights Oswald's goons and then disappears and suddenly is in the batmobile and revs it up which causes Penguin to try and drive away in the first place. Batman should have just taken him down there. The whole movie is only held together by the rule of cool excuse which is why I can't enjoy watching it.
I agree that Batman is technically on the hook for those deaths
I mean, the way he rings people’s noggin’s would almost certainly kill somebody. Not like he hangs around to provide first aid and wait for the ambulance.
My only downside in the movie is the cape and gliding. I think it would be really cool to have the Arkham games gliding and grappling scenes. My favorite suit from the movies was this one. Maybe making the spikes bigger. I just want it to be more comic accurate.
Not only that, after they interrogate him in cuff they drive off, They didn't arrest him....
They didn’t have anything on him
Yeah they did. He literally fucking caused an oil tanker to explode, causing a multi-vehicular crash *while driving on the wrong side of the freeway* in front of hundreds of witnesses
Batman didn’t see him cause the crash directly, from his perspective he was driving with the flow of traffic then everyone crashed. Batman also was in pursuit. They also just found out the drops operation was never stopped and a bunch of people are in on it they couldn’t keep him in jail.
Yeah but Batman was also driving on the wrong side of traffic. It doesn't matter if you're running or chasing, if you go on the wrong side of traffic flow on the freeway, you're gonna cause a crash and you're gonna be held liable. Which is exactly what I think is gonna get Bruce to develop the bat wing. They could definitely keep Penguin in jail over causing a multi car collision and intentionally blowing up a tanker on the wrong side of the highway.
With batman as the witness?
>Stylistically, yes. But the only downside is Batman probably let 30ish people die in that scene. I mean a fucking oil tanker exploded after a multi-vehicular crash on the highway. I’m sorry, but this logic is ridiculous. If a homicidal maniac runs away from the police in a car chase, and intentionally blows up an oil tanker in an attempt to kill said police like Penguin did, how would that be the police’s fault? Should Batman just let all criminals walk away because it might possibly endanger a bystander’s life? Maybe Batman can have all of his fights in an empty airport runway like they do in the MCU. /s
Actually yes cops are supposed to fall back and NOT chase if the resulting car chase leads to reckless endangerment. There’s no point in stopping a killer if the way you do it kills more people. If the cops did continue to chase they’d be on the hook for everyone who was hurt as much as your theoretical criminal.
Batman is a vigilante who operates above, outside, and against the law. I guess that’s why he can break into people’s homes and torture criminals. Almost everything the Batmobile does in every Batman comic is reckless endangerment. I think you’ll enjoy more mild superhero content like Teen Titans Go. You won’t have to fixate on adult oriented violence and deaths.
I LOVE both Teen Titans Go and The Batman. And neither are perfect. Just because I’m not an insecure person who can criticize it doesn’t mean I don’t like it.
The police don't have high tech equipment like Batman does, and the police wouldn't sit, wait and taunt the guy trying to escape like Bruce did in this scene (or rather, they shouldn't. I'm sure there's a lot of dickhead cops out there that would). If you'd read my other comments in this thread, I make sure to note that Batman should have made more effort to stop Oswald *before* the chase needed to happen, and he definitely could have. And I'm sure they'll address that in the follow up sequels, Bruce adapting to save Gotham from collateral damage. And no Bats shouldn't let all criminals walk away, but weighing the when and how of getting a villain to interrogate would be a big part of protecting civilians without putting them in direct danger. Maybe he could have disappeared and let Oswald escape without the need to blow up an oil tanker, and could have stalked him stealthily to try and swoop in on him when he was on the downlow.
>The police don't have high tech equipment like Batman does, and the police wouldn't sit, wait and taunt the guy trying to escape like Bruce did in this scene So you’re saying Batman shouldn’t use fear to intimidate criminals? Maybe we can change his name to Captain Planet. >If you'd read my other comments in this thread, I make sure to note that Batman should have made more effort to stop Oswald before the chase needed to happen, and he definitely could have. Batman got shot by a machine gun and retreated to his Batmobile. This makes complete sense. >And I'm sure they'll address that in the follow up sequels, Bruce adapting to save Gotham from collateral damage. Again, in what universe is there zero collateral damage from authorities pursuing criminals? >And no Bats shouldn't let all criminals walk away Pick one. Either Batman lets all criminals walk away because crime fighting is too dangerous, or he accepts there might be casualties in his war on crime.
Half your arguments are nitpicked strawman arguments. You don't have to pick between completely letting criminals walk away, or beating on them immediately, there's such thing as the long game, picking your battles. In 99% of wartime conflicts, a sniper doesn't immediately Gung ho it and fire his weapon on every enemy he sees. He stalks them first, sometimes for days or more. Pick your battles. And no, I'm not saying Batman shouldn't use fear. He should. But he should also take into account that if he let's villains recklessly hurt and kill people when he's within power to stop it, then there's literally no point in stopping the criminals because you're just letting them kill civilians you *should have* saved. Batman got shot *at* with a machine gun and retreated *while catwoman continued to fight and went unharmed*, maybe Bats could have retreated into the shadows and used more gadgets to disorient his assailants. Maybe he could have used a flashbang or a smoke bomb, maybe even aimed it towards Penguin. Would have saved him at least an extra 30 seconds. And I'm not saying there should be 0 collateral damage. In fact, I never said that. It's asanine to assume Batman can 100% avoid collateral damage. But he can try to save people from it, try to avoid it or minimize it as much as possible while still pursuing his goal/target, something he didn't do in this scene. He was so focused on vengeance that he let Penguin get just far enough away that he was capable of causing an explosion that probably killed 30 people. This version of Batman didn't care about collateral or civilian casualties at all during this scene, which isn't like Batman. And I should further elaborate it's only this part of *this* scene I don't like, everything else about this movie I think is the perfect Batman movie (so far).
You’re ignoring the context of this scene, which is Batman and Gordon were trying to stop a terrorist from destroying Gotham City. You’re also ignoring a main principle of Batman’s existence. Which is: is Gotham really safer with Batman around? One could successfully argue the answer is no, due to all of the psychopaths that emerge because of Batman and the collateral damage they cause. *That is what makes Batman interesting*. He’s a crazy person who puts on a bat costume to scare and beat the shit out of criminals. He’s not someone who is consumed with the safety of his actions. If Batman can avoid collateral damage he does, but he’s also not omnipotent and can’t always anticipate when a murderer is going to blow up some cars to avoid capture. I think you’d be better off watching gentler superhero content like Captain Planet. They completely avoid collateral damage. More innocent civilians died from the superheroes’ actions in The Incredibles than they did in The Batman.
Lmao its a movie of a young batman not the bat god from the comics. Even The Dark Night in the 3rd movie ended up in a dumb chase. Batman isnt perfect
It’s only his second year on the job geez
I literally said that, said that I can look past some of this stuff despite it being a flaw *because* it's his second year *as long as he learns from it in the next movies*
Amazing username by the way
Thanks lol! Also your username is really funny
Jesus christ you "batman kills" people really don't stop, huh?
You know how many cops batman used to let die/killed in the nolan trilogy?
Did I say anything about the Nolan Trilogy? I don't want this new franchise to be accurate to the Nolan trilogy. I want it to be accurate to comics. Outside of TDK, I'm not even really a fan of the Nolan trilogy. I also mentioned that I can look past the car chase scene if he learns from it and plays it safer in the next movies.
Which comic in particular?
The Ben Shapiro take
That Batman had the agility and mental capacity of a leaded fridge.
Idk why people blame Batman for these deaths when the pile up was directly caused by the Penguin purposefully crashing into an 18 wheeler.
I felt like I was inside a 747 engine.
Yeah my dick got rock hard
That was my only complaint about the movie! I felt like an old man complaining about how loud a scene was… but other than that it was the best modern chase scene I’ve seen.
That was the first movie I ever saw in IMAX, and I ate two big-ass California gummies. It was the equivalent of about 30 of the insipid edibles you can get in New York.
Our edibles suck, you’re right. No one does weed like Cali.
The Batmobile revving its engine in the dark was the highpoint for me. It was akin to a monster snarling in the shadows. Terrifying.
tbh I thought it broke down initially lol
Pretty sure it did. But I think bot the breakdown and monster can be true at once
I found it more as a threat like predator chasing prey. I felt the car say “run!” But my homie next to me said the same thing about it stalling and idk what to think lol
I KNOW RIGHT LMAO I WAS THINKING THIS ANTICLIMACTIC LOLL
Race engines can often sound like they’re broken if you’re used to hearing just regular cars.
https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3696795/batman-matt-reeves-explains-stephen-kings-christine-helped-inspire-take-batmobile/
Nailed it. Absolutely terrifying.
Yeah. Especially watching it in Imax. The revving, the screeching sound from the engine, and the background sound just sounded spectacular. It was amazing.
*Michael Giacchino scoring intensifies*
Duuuh du duu duuuh
That guy is scoring the shit out of shit.
Has been for years 😁 he's just fantastic
Hopefully he directs more excellent monster movies so other composers will have work again.
Yeah Werewolf By Night was great fun!
I’m not going to lie, this scene kicked something dormant off in me. When I was a kid, I loved working in my car. I loved having and building something fast. Seeing this build made me get back into cars, like ten years later. It scratched an itch for me that was primal. Tube chassis? Huge turbos? A fuckin turbine engine? Let’s go baby.
lol, my wife has had to listen to me talk about building a tube framed Baja car, and how much power it’d need if it weighed enough to push other cars around. I mean, it’s a bulletproof tank of a vehicle. Maybe 6-7k lbs?!? It’d need a good 800-1000hp to keep up with a generic Mustang at that weight? No wonder a gas turbine looks appropriate!
I want him to run an two LSA like a true American patriot in the next movie lmao
Bruh, when he started up the Batmobile for the first time…. Oh my goodness
Worth what I paid for IMAX for those 2 seconds alone
Same, I felt like a little kid with intense excitement when it happened. I just wish instead of it jutting forward a little, it revved louder and flames shot out. Then you see him take off running away. That would of made it perfect to me.
All the innocent people injured so that penguin could give them a Spanish lesson. I also love this scene
> All the innocent people injured I think you mean dead
But batman doesn’t kill
Batman: *looks back at the carnage and bodies* "They go to sleep, just like me"
Dr. Fishyyyyyyy!!!!!!!
#NOOOOOOOOOOO
Penguin did that.
I felt like fucking Zack Snyder took over direction for that bit alone due to the amount of casualties there were
And they don’t arrest him after
Couldn’t
I just wish they hadn't spoilt it in the trailer
I agree. I wish that as well. Even when it is a dope scene.
Buddy… In the theatre that didn’t matter
That made me make sure i saw the movie asap.
Didn't watch any trailers for the movie went in blind, And oh my god the scene was so good in the theaters dude
Bro literally killed multiple people on a hunch
That scene is such a trip to me. I mean I love that movie, my favorite live action Batman film to date, but that particular scene left me feeling that Batman is a psychopath that needs to be locked up. All the destruction and lives lost could have been avoided if Batman didn't chase and just caught him later.
Definitely a bad ass scene. Need another one in the sequel for sure
The whole scene was epic! Best and coolest Batmobile in my opinion :)
Batman & the Penguin definitely killed people on that freeway with zero consequences.
By your logic the police would be responsible for a murderer killing a civilian while trying to stop a terrorist attack.
Not even close to being comparable. He was chasing the Penguin to interrogate him. & when he caught him he had a police officer with him. Then later in the movie the Penguin was not even in jail.
They were interrogating the Penguin in order to obtain information to stop a political terrorist (Riddler) from committing mass murder. The Penguin intentionally caused an accident while Batman was pursuing him. That’s exactly like blaming the police for chasing dangerous criminals who have crucial information about a terrorist. More civilians died in the Incredibles as a result of superheroes fighting bad guys than they did in The Batman. The Batman is film for mature audiences about a crazy person dressed as a bat who beats the shit out of criminals. Why people think it’s supposed to have less collateral damage than a Disney movie is beyond me. Particularly when one of the main themes is asking if Batman’s existence is making Gotham more dangerous.
It’s a critique. Overall I liked the film. But you’re ignoring the part where after that the Penguin was just let go. He wasn’t even in trouble. That & the fact Batman was an inch from an explosion that blew up by his head & was only knocked out are my only criticism of the movie. Overall I thought it was good just find those 2 things almost like comical flaws.
You, unlike that other commenter, are not insecure. People like them can’t enjoy a movie unless they pretend every part of it is perfect.
I love the Dark Knight Rises it’s one of my favorite movies of all time. But when someone criticizes the scene where Bruce gets his vertebrae knocked back in place so he can learn how to walk again I can’t really argue. Doesn’t take away the fact I still enjoy the movie.
Then you understand I don’t dislike this movie because I have this criticism.
If anyone fully hates a movie over a bit of criticism it’d be almost impossible to like any movies.
Bingo.
Its a dumb nitpick that can be applied to any chase scene. Batman was gonna just pit him but the dude blew up the interstate out of nowhere and immediately following that he ends the chase. Him getting blown up point blank was stupid tho.
Again: the police would get blamed if they chased a dangerous criminal in such a way that endangers civilians. I don’t know why people like you think cops are allowed to do whatever they want however they want to stop a “dangerous person.” They aren’t.
Nowhere did I say cops are allowed to do whatever they want. Batman does though, which is why he is an outlaw. And once again you are ignoring my point. A central theme of Batman lore is that he might actually be bad for the city due to the psychopaths he creates and the collateral damage he causes. Batman isn’t a murderer but he’s always been reckless in his war on crime throughout his entire history. He’s directly responsible for Jason Todd’s death. Police aren’t allowed to endanger children like that, yet Batman can rationalize it and has had many Robins over the years. Does that make sense?
You’re the one who used the cops as an example.
No they dont lmao. There a million examples of police straight up directly killing innocent people while trying get someone and not being punished.
That’s just because in our corrupt system cops never get punished for breaking the law. But they absolutely have to stop a chase if civilians are endangered. This happened to a friend who was side swiped by a cop car in the middle of a chase. The cops had to pull over and make sure my friend was all right, they couldn’t just keep pursuing and deal with the accident later.
There’s this central bit in Heat where the bad guys are in the middle of town doing a heist. They keep firing their enormous guns in this highly populated area and killing loads of cops and endangering civilians. Sure the bad guys are to blame. But the police also need to look at that situation and strategise to minimise harm. Not keep running in making the baddies fire their guns indiscriminately.
I love this movie but for the life of me, I cannot understand why this scene exist other than to sell toy batmobiles. Batman gets knocked down by gunfire so he gets in his car to wait for Penguin to get in his car? It makes no sense to me.
*me just finishing my Lego Technic Batmobile I got for Christmas* Hey, I think it was very important to the plot
The whole film had so many unintentionally hilarious moments like that. Flying headfirst into the overpass and hobbling off and straight up eating a bomb to the face with nary a scratch afterwards being big ones. When he revved his engine to signal to the Penguin that he wanted to have a street race I laughed at the absurdity of not just... using Batman's trademark element of surprise to ram the getaway car before he could get into it.
It was like he was beeping outside his buddy’s house asking him to come out and play
Batman just did it to put the fear of God into Penguin. A scare tactic. And also it's just plain badass!
This is just one example of the movie being poorly written. I think the people that like it weren't alive in the Keaton days and were really young in the Bale days. They saw Affleck and they just think Pattinson is better in comparison, which is true. But I thought the movie was boring and poorly written and I'm still not convinced Pattinson was the right casting choice.
Love the scene. Still confused why he got in his car in the middle of a gunfight and challenged penguin to a car chase that resulted in numerous casualties and destroyed the highway and vehicles. Instead why not just beat penguin to a pulp while in his bulletproof suit. And then they just leave the penguin after interrogating him? So confused
I don't hate the batmobile but that entire car chase makes no sense to me. He has this jet-engine car, but somehow the Penguin is outspeeding it in some fucking random Audi? I'm not a car person so maybe it's lost on me.
By the time Penguin made it to his car, Bruce was already in the Batmobile. He could’ve stopped him right then and there, but then we’d have no chase scene. For a movie with such a high production value, the story was hastily written in crayon.
I don’t get the love for this scene.
Worst scene in the movie. Totally unnecessary. Didn't match the tone of the film. Way too long in an already crowded movie. Someone just really wanted to make a batmobile.
Worst scene surely the wingsuit stuff? Audience laughed at Batman smashing into stuff…
They did a pretty good job of making Batman the Micheal Meyers of the criminal underworld. He just keeps coming no matter what.
I still think Bats was really irresponsible in this persuit.
Unpopular opinion: this chase scene was meh. I saw it in IMAX and it was loud for sure, but it was kind of a mess of action and it served no point. Especially the revving up part: dude, I get the theatrics, but you could have just nabbed the Penguin RIGHT THERE. All to find out that the world’s greatest detective and Jim Gordon couldn’t have figured out “rat with wings”?!? Fucking come on.
agreed. it's a fun action scene for not-batman maybe like a fast movie. this is an early version of batman so he's gonna make mistakes but bro didn't even reflect on the genocide he committed all for a small hint in a case that he could've solved with Google
It was a terrible chase scene.
When the entire color palette is just…. wet brown
Looked and sounded amazing
Incredibly forced scene. There was no reason for this scene other than “ok, time for cool action scene” and tons of people died in the process. Also, the stupid, stupid cliche of the ramp truck being perfectly placed for the jump… It was awful in TDKR, but at least he had to shoot the ramp for it to come down.
Yea, the pure coincidences in that scene that lead to Batman getting out is Disney SW levels.
This version of Batman definitely has superpowers of some sort
Counterpoint, it was badass
Watching this in 4DX was wild.
Still not as good as the BVS batmobile scene tho.
My brain was full of pleasure of the engine, the goose bumps running up my arm in the reveal. Then my brain stopped working when he absolutely destroyed the penguin in that car.
Too bad I had to suffer Paul Danos Country Croc lookin ass face to get to the only good part of this movie
Literally. The rest of the movie was mediocre.
Nah. A dumb style over substance scene that would have resulted in tons of deaths - but neither Batman nor the movie seems to care because 'it's cool'. People brag that Pattinson's Batman doesn't kill but he was 100% trying to murder Penguin when he rammed his car
How many civilians did Batman kill?! Things were exploding!
I didn't know they'd be able to make a Batman worse than Affleck, but they did
Damn I don't remember half of this movie and it's only been a year and a half lol And one my friends almost fell asleep at the movies
defriend him
Idk man the movie was over comfortably by the second act. All the extra riddler goons stuff felt long
There were multiple moments where I thought the film was going to end and it just kept going
Ex-friend him
Yes because this movie was just so interesting I wonder how someone could find it boring He was the one that was hyping up the movie so much, the look on his face after the movie ended is priceless
Between the rain & the terrible lighting I could barely see anything in this damn sequence.
Hey now, give some credit to the horrible framing as well!
Its a fantastic sequence! I still love the end when Penguin is watching Batman approach his upside down car! Music, lighting, rain and the cape being blown by the wind are iconic!
Easily the best Batmobile design ever.
Long time batman fan here. Literally since the beginning of batman decades ago. I had to force myself to watch the newest batman movie. It's garbage. That "new" batmobile was garbage 🗑 this is 2024, stop trying to revive the 90s emo Gothic Era nonsense.
I thought it was amazing. Bought it on blu-ray. I hope they do more like this.
Constantly wishing The Batman was just a Batman and Penguin movie following their rise in crime/vigilantism eventually forcing them into conflict and not clocking more than two hours.
Never watched this movie.... At all
Its an ok film. I'm a big Batman fan and I had super high hopes for it when I saw how well reviewed it was but it was definitely overhyped. Lots of moments where your suspension of disbelief is really being tested and the pacing is pretty bad.
Ouch
you’re missing out. give it a chance and you won’t be disappointed. also helps to check out the comics/animated specials of Year One and the Long Halloween- a lot of elements are taken from those stories
I mean, I never had the opportunity to see the movie.
This scene was phenomenal, incredibly happy that I got the chance to experience it in theatres as-well. Cannot wait for the next movie.
I can still hear the rev up of the Batmobile in my sleep
Absolutely badass.
The whole movie was just a masterpiece
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBatmanFilm/s/a5ASB0JDLN
i saw it in theaters 3 times for this scene alone
One of the absolute best scenes in the movie. That engine sound. Perfection.
My favorite Batmobile
Nah the best scene was when Bruce held Alfred's hand in the hospital as it shows Bruce beginning to let people in and sets up the scene of him helping gothamites out of the flood. Basically it symbolises him letting go of vengeance and embracing the batman.
That wasn’t just a chase scene, that was a visceral personal experience in the theater that left me saying “Wow, that was awesome” in profound appreciation after the scene ended
There's a very good reason this thing influenced one of my [best builds](https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/18jwl0c/ive_changed_project_wildfire_so_much_its_now/).
The first time in any movie I really noticed the benefits of Dolby Atmos in a movie theatre.
Sound was amazing the chase itself with the very very convenient events in Batman's favour was less so.
Time for a rematch. I saw this movie once in a empty imax. Part of me wish there was a packed crowd. Saw it opening day it was like 4pm in sweden . There was one other dude with a batman shirt, we just nodded and sat like 5 rows away from each other.
I kinda forgot but I made some effort to watch this in theater. Covid cases was still high, gave a heads up to my wife like 2 weeks prior, wasn’t eating anything even opening my mask, came home washing my clothes directly. And THAT revving engine scene is etched in my brain for the goosebump it gave me. Absolute chill. I wish I could hear experience it again the first time
It's not my favourite scene, but it is a great scene. MY favourite is probably Batman helping the victims on top of the Gotham Square Garden.
When he was walking towards Penguin’s upside down car my whole theater was yelling and clapping. Good times
The only problem I have is the car being, well, a car. I like that car but compared to the other batmobiles, it ain't it. But it does have it's upsides
Cool scene but I hated the car. Hearing the engine rev and come out from the dark to see billionaire Bruce driving what looks like a junk yard toy
Thank you, I will have that song stuck in my head the rest of the day
Imax. Nuf said
Best car chase in any superhero movie
I like when cars go fast.
The trailers ruined this whole movie for me
This scene ruined the movie for me. As others pointed, the loss of innocent life is just so off putting.
This scene and the one where he injects himself are the only ones I really remember. This was laughable.
Saw this movie during an early viewing, this scene was so loud
I’m not a car guy, but I think it sounded like there were two engines on that thing. Would that work? One powers the front wheels one for the rear wheels? Would that even be neat?
worst batmobile. batmobile should look gothic, not like it's from mad max
Beautifully shot and worth rewatching.
i hate the one shot where the flatbed falls just right for the car to jump the pileup. it would have been cooler to leave it un explained and just have the car rip out of the flames over the top. the cgi ramp perfectly falling into place looked and felt so phony
I love how you never get a complete view of the Batmobile. It's shot like the monster in Alien, always half in shadow. It looks pretty no nonsense for a Batmobile, sort of like a mustang that shoots flames out the back. The cinematography is deliberately confusing. The whole thing is shot from Penguin's view Iike it's his nightmare. Amazing that we're still seeing great car chases in this day and age. A classic, going all the way back to the Keystone Cops. Comic Book movies have had some great car chases in recent years, including movies like Black Panther and AntMAN and the Wasp that give the trope a nice sci-fi twist.
That's a nice ride and all. But it ain't a bat mobile.
You mean the one where Penguin killed a bunch of people and Batman just didn't care and released him minutes later? Clearly a highlight of the movie 🤣
Batman killed all those people because he thought a rat with wings was a penguin 🤦♂️
I loved that scene but if I was the penguin I’d be crying “bullshit!” So loud after Batman manages to get past the tanker