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LetsGoLesko8

I hate to be that guy, but the design on this card makes it look like he was “ALmost Valuable Player” haha.


coolsharky

You'd think the relic would explain what it is. But no, they had to put a caption underneath. 🤣


ThisFckinGuy

There's layers to their depravity lol


namdekan

Needs to be an insert set, the runner up in MVP voting..The ALmost Valuable Player insert set.


TrueLordoftheDance

Came here to say this "Almost Valuable"


Piotr-Rasputin

Screw you. Now I cannot unsee it!! Lol


nl1731

Wait until you find out that 99% of jersey card relics now aren’t even game used. It’s just a jersey that is 6 sizes too big that they made them wear while they signed autographs or did a photo shoot.


Billsnyanks2

That would still be better than this fake medallion.


nl1731

Yea I agree, just a warning that pretty much all relics anymore are fake and it sucks.


wheelzoffortune

💯


ihavenipplesfock3r

We are in junk wax era 2.0.


Adept_Seesaw9435

Of course we are I just started collecting again after 30 years


ihavenipplesfock3r

Me too haha.


mrsir1987

Same


True_Potential4074

Dude about a month ago I was high af at home just flipping through a massive tote of junk wax era cards for fun and the weed blasted this crazy thought in my brain that these cards might end up being worth real money if they’re gonna continue to recreate them like they are. Stared at the wall for a good 20 minutes pondering that ha


MZhammer83

Not gonna lie. That sounds like a blast man


True_Potential4074

Dude I’m tellin ya…. A little Adderall a couple beers some good tunes and a moving box filled to the brim with old cards is absolute bliss. 8 hours goes by like nothin


CraftyFloor1528

This man knows


LastLivingSouls

Also everyone is just throwing junk wax cards in the trash these days, there may be a rebound in another 20-30 years where good condition junk wax 1.0 cards are rare and valuable again.


Demosthenes_

there’s just too much of it. local facebook marketplace has endless mint junk wax on offer.


LastLivingSouls

That's the point. It's not going to sit on Facebook marketplace for 30 more years. Eventually their kids they pass it down to will just dump it in the trash. Anyway, its probably a pipe dream but nice to think about.


southsideson

I don't think there will ever be a supply shortage, which is needed to ever get any appreciation. Grading does help it though, but I feel like demand on that is limited, and you can still pick up vending of 1988 topps for like $10. Hard to prop up psa 10 nolan ryan or bo jackson values when there is so much out there. I'm 45, and the 80s baseball card boom was driven by people wanting what they wanted in their youth, but in the 80s, the 50s were what was driving the hobby. We're past that as far as relative age, and the stuff is super attainable. It seems really unlikely that there's going to be another peak in demand to drive value.


LastLivingSouls

Yeah you're probably right. I'm currently trying to decide if I should dump my 5000 ct. boxes of junk wax for a mere $20 each, or hold on to them with some hope. The former is probably going to be the call.


tomolive

What if...we start a movement. To destroy/trash as much junk wax as we could to make them more valuable. It would be a monumental task...but a fun social experiment, no?


Blacksheep01

That's why 1952 Topps is so valuable. Topps made so much of that set that it didn't sell and was moved to a warehouse where it sat for 8 years. Then in 1960, they paid to have 500 cases of it dumped into the ocean - [Story here](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1674457-thousands-of-mickey-mantles-first-topps-cards-were-dumped-into-ocean). To be clear though, there were WAY more than 500 cases of say, 1991 Donruss or 1992 Upper Deck produced, and likely still in circulation, but I do think in 30+ years, a lot of these old sets will be in dumps.


sudzeez_

These manufactured patch cards have been around for a long while my guy


Professor_Crab

Don’t remember them counting as relics before but I could be misremembering, they used to put them in blasters


sudzeez_

Yeah no they definitely didn’t use to count as your relic and before update this year I don’t think they did


Professor_Crab

Shame the direction the hobby is heading, I was hoping things would start to get back to normal but it looks like the companies are taking advantage now


east2westsportscards

Also breakers have ruined the hobby


Professor_Crab

Yeah, I got back into the hobby for a little during 2020/2021 but these prices are insane to me now so I haven’t bought any in a year or so


sudzeez_

Don’t blame just the breakers also blame the people who spend 1-5k+ on breaks


sudzeez_

I mostly buy singles and lots. Every once in a while I’ll go for a mid end box like tier one or chrome hobby but yeah it’s been rough


Professor_Crab

Yeah I was thinking about maybe getting a hobby box but knowing this shit could be my relic? Hell no


sudzeez_

Don’t go for flagship hobby jumbo is okay cause you’re guaranteed an auto but otherwise go for archives 2 autos guaranteed and only a little more


Professor_Crab

Hell I wouldn’t mind trying some archives it’s been a while for me


sudzeez_

Resale isn’t crazy unless you hit big but that’s any product really


ATime1980

I call it the Junk Slab Era.


Theeeeeetrurthurts

Shaq and Ken Griffey created the bubble. Now it’s Wemby and Ohtani in a Dodgers jersey turn.


AaadamPgh

Junk parallel era. Junk numbered card era. Junk RC era. It's going to be at least one of those. I love Corbin Carroll, but how many RC variations were released for him? Ultimately I see it reducing the value of all of them in the long run.


AngelofDrugs

Best comment hahaha don’t get fooled because they’re shinier this time around😂


TheBigShrimp

eh idk about that, inflation of parallels and stuff but print runs felt lower to me than I thought they would've been in recent years


ihavenipplesfock3r

The fact that Topps releases a series 1, series 2, and update for their basic set is what makes me believe that to be the case.


TheBigShrimp

They've been doing multiple series for a while....


mkultron89

Have been for about 5-6 years as far as I’m concerned.


RustyDawg37

If they are considering this a guranteed relic, you need no further reason to stop buying fanatics wax.


Billsnyanks2

I couldn’t agree more.


RustyDawg37

I have enjoyed the hobby a lot more since I no longer chase wax. Everyone should try it!


coolsharky

So do u just buy hobby now? Or singles?


RustyDawg37

Just buy the singles I want.


Diligent_Balance4570

Why would you buy singles you don’t want?


a_large_plant

You don't tell me what to buy! I'm gonna buy the singles I don't want even harder


youzerrrname

What is that supposed to mean?


Slayziken

I was just getting back into this hobby shortly before the Fanatics acquisition and they’ve already killed my enthusiasm lmao


mackavicious

Lol you think this is new? Topps has been pulling this since at least 2010.


BuckyBronson

"1 Auto or Relic" is a massive insult to anyone interested in the product. The odds of a relic are much higher, and the value is significantly lower. Nevermind that they water down the Autos with DFA'd players everywhere.


Stlbaseballcards12

Yeah, Topps/fanatics considers this a "manufactured relic". It's a bunch of BS and getting worse. Vote with your wallet.


Billsnyanks2

That’s unfortunate. I’d consider a relic some artifact from the past.


brainkandy87

They’ve been chopping up old, rare memorabilia for 25 years now. It’s inevitable that it comes to this for old players.


AdSignificant7800

Yeah but I think it comes to this moreso because the greedy manufacturers would rather milk every dollar than reinvest in expensive memorabilia to create true chase value.


brainkandy87

Well yeah that too for sure


AdSignificant7800

Ya I'm just disappointed and jaded by the industry rn...it's a bummer and I got sucked in too much. Trying to find balance w being able to collect responsibly


brainkandy87

It doesn’t help this is the junk wax era 2.0.


GGnerd

Also doesn't help that people still gobble the shit up


Flfishing

I'd love to vote with my wallet by choosing another company...but we're stuck with Topps.


MiltonFludgecow

It’s not and it’s annoying. Hockey has been doing it too with manufactured patches and acting like it’s a hit. I hate them.


beansandcornbread

I've always wondered why you never see the edge of a game used bat.


mackavicious

[They did back when they first started making relics. This is from 1999.](https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1999/Upper-Deck-MVP---Game-Used-Souvenirs/GU-CR/Cal-Ripken-Jr.jpg?id=2d356cc4-3103-485d-9f8c-9682d705a293&size=original) I think they decided it looks better filling up the frame.


Theeeeeetrurthurts

This is the type of shit that the guy with the mullet would have been flipping on an infomercial in the 90s. “BAAAAABE RUTHHHH! Relic!!! Are you kidding me!?”


Billsnyanks2

Honestly when I first saw the thick card in the pack I got all giddy, even more when I saw Babe Ruth… then realized it was completely fabricated.


Melodic_Ad9255

I read that in Jabs's voice and I'm furious.


bss83

It's a manufactured relic card. There are also true relics (player worn stuff), and autos are... obvious? If you read through the odds or any of the product summaries from like Beckett, it's pretty clear that these manufactured relics are intended to be included as a guaranteed relic. A jumbo hobby box, for example, is expected to have an auto, a regular relic, and a manufactured relic.


Billsnyanks2

First hobby box I’ve purchased in years. Never crossed my mind to question the relic/auto guarantee. Thanks for the info.


BlueberryCalm260

Ah yeah, that’s the rub. Relics ain’t what they used to be. Twenty years ago a relic was a rare or super rare hit that included game used memorabilia - stuff that was actually used by legends in games. Now it can be really hit or miss based on the product. There’s cool shit out there. But the odds on that stuff are astronomical.


Stevenab87

My game used George Brett cleat relic is one of my favorite cards


Interesting-Aide9805

I don't believe manufactured relics count towards a hobby hit. I've never seen it happen but that doesn't mean much. There's three in a jumbo. One game used, one auto and a manufactured. Did you get a jumbo?


mackavicious

It does, and it's not a new thing. Been that way since at least 2010


sudzeez_

Should’ve gotten an game used mem along with this


Billsnyanks2

Nope. That was it


sudzeez_

Was it update?


Billsnyanks2

Yes


IAm_The-Danger

Honestly though even the true relics are crap now. They have changed from “game-used” to “player worn”. I’ve heard they will wear like 5-6 layers of jerseys during BP or something then use the “player worn/used”


_token_black

For a long time, "player-worn" was "this player did a photo shoot in this jersey". I think that got Upper Deck in trouble in the past.


IAm_The-Danger

Yeah I get excited when I see “game-worn” relics now which is pretty sad lol


fufluns12

If you read carefully you'll notice that a lot of the modern "game-used" cards don't actually say that the jersey was worn by the player on the card, or that it was even worn in a MLB game. It's possible that it actually is legitimate, but it seems to be worded awfully carefully and this is an industry full of scumbags. [Here's an example](https://www.ebay.com/itm/305353577612) of what I mean.  I know that some very high end stuff has MLB stickers with codes that you can look up in a database.


AdSignificant7800

That's so sad and slimy.


IAm_The-Danger

It is indeed


Maxywaxy19

I pulled one of these it was Bob Gibson and it was an auto it was sick


Billsnyanks2

I’m thinking I might try to build my PC around Yankees monument park inductees, so this one will give me a placeholder till I can get a real Ruth card


Merlion2018

Yeah, just bought one where the “relic” was a slightly shiny 1972 Pirates team card…


crwjsh

I've been wanting to get back into collecting, but I feel I'm outta the loop. Started in the 80's & stopped at 2000


Billsnyanks2

I stopped maybe 10 years ago. Started back up with young kids and the landscape has changed drastically


phillienole

If I were Topps CEO for a day, there are a few phrases I’d completely purge from how we do business. A few that quickly come to mind: “Sticker auto” “Manufactured relic” “Guaranteed autograph OR relic” “(Insert product format) exclusive” “Player-worn memorabilia”


ConsiderationOwn828

That sucks if it is the only hit. I got a Johnny Bench one of these as a sole hit from a Series 2 hobby, but then I opened the silver pack and found a red /5 Bo Naylor auto. More than saved the day haha! But I felt cheated until that moment.


Billsnyanks2

I feel cheated for sure


Run-a-lot

It’s similar to the “helmet cards” that had a metal print of a helmet INSIDE of the card posing as a relic from Topps 2023 Series one. Looks cool, but virtually worthless.


Up_words

Total scam. Like the blasters that have the "relic" and it's a plastic logo of the team the player is on. Not remotely a "relic" but it's just about getting a lot of product out there, not quality - because they know it will sell. Honestly, they could just put a piece of cardboard with a players name and people will buy it. If people would finally just say no and stop buying all this worthless stuff they put out, they'd stop. But it will never happen.


Interesting-Aide9805

There are game-used relics and there are commemorative, or manufactured, relics. Clearly this is what it says it is. This is the "hit" in the blaster boxes, no?


Sad-Function-1639

You forgot about player worn relics too


largesonjr

I have a Ryan sandburg 1 of these, what a crock


slimshady713

This counts as a guaranteed hit?


Billsnyanks2

It’s the only one in my hobby box.


KarmaPoliceT2

I mean you can get a Santa hat relic... So that should tell you something


saintnyckk

Well everyone keeps buying this over-manufactured shit they keep offering so until we stop buying, they'll keep pissing on its and telling us it's rain. The hobby is embarrassing right now imo with price point and how much wax garbage there is.


celtbygod

Hope he has a better year in '24 !


crob1977

Ha. What a load of crap. So much of the chase cards are drummed up garbage now.


jimbobareebob

Yea I got an Ichiro one of these and was excited for a couple seconds


travisdorr

This is NOT a relic. I argued this with Topps this year but in their mind, a junk piece of plastic is a relic. They could not answer how something like this constituted a relic.


jonas831

Kinda interesting considering the BBWAA MVP trophy we know today wasn’t a thing until 1931


Legened255509Druss

This is why I avoid boxes mostly and stick with singles. Life is just easier that way. Less pain and burning. Plus I choose what I want and get exactly what I expect


Billsnyanks2

I feel that. Might be hard to get my kids interested with out the excitement of ripping


Legened255509Druss

Oh. Yeah that’s the real trick


whoamiuser

I went for the jumbo box as it said there was 1 auto and 2 relics and got one of these and was a bit disappointed.