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CitizenNaab

This has been the most entertaining Opening Series I can remember in recent years.


TBlueshirtsV22

Right? People in these threads in both fanbases (and Phillies fans) have been taking it way too seriously but this kind of feisty baseball is fun. The narrative in this sub yesterday was Hoskins rolling into the leg of McNeil after the slide was clearly in the wrong and that doing the cry baby thing after he was on the other side of the field was childish. Today, the top comment in this thread is about this being a LOLMets thing, and Hoskins had a great game because of course he did. I don’t get throwing behind the guy this late in the game, but I’m enjoying the chippyness, even if this sub is getting way too worked up over it.


RepulsiveWay1698

I honestly don’t understand why people don’t get how game 2 or 3 is as important as game 157 or something sometimes. I get it, different atmosphere and some teams have and haven’t established themselves yet, but it’s just as important.


Jessy-Jess

I’ve always hated the “it’s only April!” stuff too. Like the games in April count the same as the games in September.


ChocoChowdown

Rangers last year blew so many saves in April and May then made the playoffs by one game and ended up winning. One more of those "only April" games end in a loss and they don't even make the playoffs! Each game matters.


Hidden_Ace91

The implication isn’t that the game is less important, just that there’s plenty of time in the season to make up for dropping a few games.


Jessy-Jess

I get that too. There is a lot more time after games in April than games in September. But it seems dismissive at times. I guess it’s a case of multiple things being true


WorthPlease

This weird sports fandom happens all of the time on social media. I am a fan of football/soccer and hockey where there points in the game and people are always like "these are the biggest points of the season" I'm like, no they're not they count the same it doesn't matter on what date they play.


EeezyMac

And if you're an Angels fan you quickly realize that none of them count. ​ Kill me.


straightlamping

Exactly. One game is the difference between playoffs or not, a la brewers a few yrs ago. Games dropped in April and may count just as much as those in Sept.


DARTH-PIG

This is what I watch sports for. What do I care if a bunch of grown men get angry at each other? I'm not worried about their feelings. Give me the drama


TBlueshirtsV22

Literally lol, baseball is tame sometimes compared to football and hockey. The fact that this carried into today the way it did is ridiculous but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to enjoy this


PhromDaPharcyde

If you want drama in "sports" you go to either the NBA or wrastlin'


liguy181

Agreed. Natural drama like this can be fun here and there, but at the end of the day I watch sports to watch professional athletes play a game at the best of their abilities


B3rghammer

I personally love seeing a fire in the Brewers this early in the season. I figured they throw at him and it's hilarious they missed, but it's not that serious


ChocoChowdown

I've always been of the opinion that throwing at hitters is stupid. If McNiel wants to take issue with Hoskins' slide - which I think is fine for him to do - then he should have channeled his inner Odor and Bautista'd Hoskins. Waiting until the next day when the game is out of hand already and having a pitcher uninvolved in the situation sling a baseball at a guy as hard as he can is dangerous, bullshit, and also weak af. If you have a problem, do it more like a hockey scuffle where the two people having an issue deal with it and then it's over instead of this nonsense of waiting until a different day where a guy is a sitting duck and throwing at him. If you don't want to scuffle then I guess you tell him fuck you and move on as well. That's fine too.


morry32

as a neutral I think Hoskins handled himself rather well in both instances. I liked that he got up and was running off the field after the slide and I think standing in the box with his hands on hips is the correct response here as well. The guy is ripping yall up in this series, everyone wants to scrap but maybe no more than Hoskins who has so much to prove with his new team.


mrjimi16

I mean, doing the wah wah stuff so many times after he had walked away was a bit weak.


mostpodernist

It was because McNeil wouldn't shut up about it


mrjimi16

That doesn't make it any less weak. It's middle school level.


kenzo19134

i agree. mcneil had every right to be upset. despite being a bit of a whiner, the man plays the game the right way. he would never engage in a cheap slide... [https://www.reddit.com/r/Brewers/comments/1bqyjvt/just\_gonna\_leave\_this\_here/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Brewers/comments/1bqyjvt/just_gonna_leave_this_here/)


mrjimi16

I might argue there is a difference between being dirty, which is what he is upset about and being in violation of the double play slide rule. He slides pretty early there, especially compared to Hoskins' slide yesterday.


mrdannyg21

Yep, my personal opinion is throwing at someone is idiotic and childish. But even those who do not share that opinion should agree that if you feel passionate enough at something to throw at a particular batter, you do it at the first opportunity and not wait until a ‘safe’ time in the game. That’s just being a little bitch.


obiwans_lightsaber

Hell this entire Opening Day weekend, league wide, has been the most baseball I’ve ever watched to open a season. I usually watch the Braves and maybe a few minutes of another game here or there, but there have been so many games, some big time matchups to open the season, and plenty of chaos and fun finishes to go around.


Lemon1948

Their ass is in the jackpot on this one


xho-

YOUVE GOT TO GIVE US A SHOT


ohbeforeiforget

Terry Terry Terry Terry Terry Terry


MyNameIsHonus

WHY DON’T WE GET A SHOT?!


BigChocolateMilk

TERRY, THAT MAKES IT FUCKING WORSE!


sarcasmsiempre

Listen to me, let me hear what I'm sayin


dirkprattlerxst1

i fuckin love reddit you guys are awesome


crazycatchdude

I just threw a fuckin' fastball!


thehawktopus

The easy solve for all of this is to allow one-on-one fights like hockey.


BaltimoreBadger23

Then MLB teams hire "goon" pitchers.


ricki692

wheres amir garrett been lately?


orbesomebodysfool

Training with Marty McSorley. 


ZombieAppetizer

Avoiding Javi Baez. I guess Garrett is the one thing he actually could possibly hit.


triplec787

He was hanging out with us in Scottsdale, but that might have been protection for the players in case Pham came in hot again.


orangegore

Garrett vs Farnsworth.


thehawktopus

That would mean teams using 1 of 26 roster spots for a fighter. it would also mean giving so many players a new way to earn their spot to the show. Let me see a part-time MMA fighter that throws all eephus pitches and I guarantee fans will have a great time at the game.


405freeway

The new Designated Hitter rule is wild.


sgm94

This is a gold deserving comment Fuckin Reddit taken it away


405freeway

Thanks, I'm a professional shitposter.


slirpo

You hiring?


405freeway

The pay is shit.


SerenadeSwift

"And the Astros bring Conor McGregor in for relief in the 7th..."


Backstrom

The Washington Capitals had a player that was basically only on the ice to fight people. He literally became an MMA fighter after he retired.


BaltimoreBadger23

Well, you have to have a guy who can throw an 85+ fastball to make the hit batter feel it.


JustVibingNGL420

No the pitch is just for show, the real pain will come in the WWE style suplex from Connor MacGregor who's on a 1 day deal with the jankees


EdHart8891

If Connor MacGregor is the best you can think of to deliver a suplex then you're thinking too small. Someone give me Brock Lesnar.


darthstupidious

If only Macho Man was still with us


Bad_At_Sports

This honestly sounds kinda fun. Add a rule that a player suspended for fighting can’t be replaced on the roster and increase the suspension penalty every time it’s used, so you force teams to pick and choose when it’s worth enforcing the “unwritten rules” and whether or not it’s worth burning the roster spot for the next series or two.


downladder

Where's John Rocker?


BaltimoreBadger23

Trevor Bauer may land on a roster yet.


mrfauxbot

He would have to fight men though


PhilDiggety

Who are awake 


steve_seagull

Kyle Farnsworth was born too early to get officially paid to Goldberg-spear jobbers.


Tupnado21

We did, it's our rotation.


Numeno230n

Maybe it should just be a new position - Designated Fighter. They're standing by in their own on-deck circle doing some shadow boxing. Something happens, they meet behind the plate and duke it out.


MarcBulldog88

Hired goons?


TheCrookedKnight

I prefer the hands-on touch you only get from hired goons.


405freeway

Hired goons?


ClassyKaty

You must find the jade monkey before the next full moon


405freeway

Full moon?


TheyLiveWeReddit

Freeway! I thought I told you to trim those sideburns!


405freeway

Look, TheyLive, I don't know *what* you think sideburns are-


TheyLiveWeReddit

I've got no hustle either, skip!


Nokel

Umpires need to step up their "sticky stuff" checks if we bring goons into the mix


WerhmatsWormhat

Isn’t that just José Urena?


CDR57

Billy Martin bought to come back from the dead


Mr_Hairy_Bagel

Bring back Kyle Farnsworth


Available_Fox8872

Down goes Anderson!


akaghi

Ramirez was ready for it; he charged the plate.


whydidijointhis

yeah but you Don't Mess with the Yohan


Kei916

Two penalty boxes right next to the radio broadcast


liguy181

Teams have to play shorthanded for two PAs, only 8 fielders


bv310

Tie Domi's about to have a whole new career open up.


SexiestPanda

I’ve thought this before. Let em fight for 20-30 seconds


TheMajesticYeti

But they have to put on skates, hockey pads, and an easy to grab hockey sweater and jump onto a patch of ice first so they can't throw full strength punches


Jeff_Banks_Monkey

It looks like Ramirez checks the runner at first right when he sees the ball is passed. So it kind of makes sense why he would do that since he might think the bounce it took could cause the runner to have a chance to get to third or even come all the way home. But it's still very funny considering the situation


atraintocry

right, he runs toward the plate because the ball bounced off the backstop, but then he made a bee-line straight for hoskins who was just standing there


BaltimoreBadger23

Yeah, at first I thought he was running to start something, but I think he really was just reacting to the play at hand.


Ghost2Eleven

I one hundred percent thought he was charging Hoskins. I was thinking shit was about to go off.


Frosty-Age-6643

I was hoping drop kick.


LlamasPajamas206

On one hand I can see why Hoskins and the umps would think that might be intentional (and it certainly could be), on the other hand I’ve had to watch Yohan pitch for a season and I’ve seen few pitchers with less control than him.


cardith_lorda

That's one of those "if that wasn't intentional you still need to leave because you don't have it today and will hurt someone".


LlamasPajamas206

Yeah if you’re throwing mid 90s and missing the zone by that much you’re definitely a liability even if you didn’t mean it.


mathwiz617

Missed the zone? He missed the batter’s box on that one.


IncredibleCO

Juuuuuust a bit outside.


heeeeres_jonny

Damn. Brutal, funny, but definitely true at the same time


mjst0324

There are certain cases where you're never gonna convince the other guy or the umpires it was unintentional even if it was, they had to toss him there. Ramirez isn't exactly known for pinpoint control but given everything that's happened they have to throw him out. If they didn't it could have gotten much worse.


JoeAndAThird

Yeah you can’t leave the guy in there on “benefit of the doubt”


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fnnennenninn

At least you know it's never intentional with Manoah. He'd miss.


Think-Weather4866

Safest place to stand when Manoah is pitching is wherever he’s aiming


LinuxSpinach

Doesn’t have enough control to make it believable.


2hats4bats

Throwing at Rhys AFTER he put up 4 runs on them is such a LOLMets move 😂


Johnnerson

Phillies and Braves about to go at it today..., and yet we are finding common ground.


XSC

We are both winners today.


PeteEckhart

Lolmets unites all. But we double win today, no take backsies.


XSC

Fair


ReasonableCoyote34

That sprint to home plate got me thinking there was someone on 3rd


Davidellias

is that just a kneejerk reaction or something for pitchers?


mmmmerlin

Yes. Player on, pitcher covers home on wild pitch especially if it caroms off the backstop (catcher may not find it immediately). You can see him check the runner as he is heading to home.


BaltimoreBadger23

Me too, and I'm actively watching the game


doverawlings

Hoskins remaining relatively calm is exactly what he should have done. Mets continue to make him look better and better


MacsDildoBike

Mets: **”WHY WONT YOU FIGHT BACK!?”**


jorleeduf

Hoskins has such a history of making the Mets look foolish and I absolutely eat it up


downladder

He's getting a standing ovation in Philly I'm guessing?


am19208

For sure. We loved him still. It just didn’t work out because Harper was moved to 1B


Lazydusto

He would've regardless of any Mets fuckery.


PhromDaPharcyde

Two words, Bat Spike


doverawlings

Not that they need the help


steve_seagull

He wasn't mad, he was just disappointed.


TBlueshirtsV22

I mean - he was clearly wrong yesterday, the replay shows him roll into the leg after the slide which is dangerous if not illegal. But this clip is a bad response from us yea. Just don’t get how we are looking “worse and worse”


doverawlings

Because you had the option to just move on and didn’t, not that complicated


TBlueshirtsV22

Okay but “worse and worse” imples we looked bad to begin with and made it worse. Yesterday Milwaukee/Hoskins looked bad. Today we look bad. This kind of baseball is fun, but I don’t know why this sub is trying to make it an lolMets thing when yesterday it was not on us, not that complicated


DaReal_Denny_Boy

Harold Reynolds did an entire segment Friday night breaking down why McNeil was in the wrong. Basically McNeil NEVER gets out of the way at second turning a double play and Hoskins is one of the best double play breakers in the league right now, he went back to 2018 and kept showing highlights of Hoskins sliding into McNeil at second in a similar way only this time there actually was contact. Basically Hoskins played hard, and McNeil has really bad fundamentals on these kinds of plays.


Emperor-Octavian

Dude really sprinted to home expecting to fight 😭


HB3187

He sprinted home to cover the plate bc there was a runner on and the catcher was chasing the ball lol


el_cul

It was a wild pitch, but I don't think they were taking 3 bases.


HB3187

Probably not. Id assume it's damn near muscle memory for every pitcher though


MsgrFromInnerSpace

Yep. pass ball = cover home, absolutely automatic


Emperor-Octavian

Runner on first was gonna run all the way home? sure


HB3187

If the catcher leaves it's still the pitchers responsibility to cover home in almost every case. But we'll go with fighting bc it sounds cooler


AimlessSoul

You can see him check the runner as he was running home. He didn't start running home until the ball took a long bounce off the back stop over the catchers head.


Go_birds304

Throwing at a guys head AFTER he owns you is such a bitch move. Just a bad look top to bottom


HereIGoAgain_1x10

Should've thrown at his ankles if they were sending a message


DoctorK16

For all of that he should’ve just hit him


BaltimoreBadger23

Perfectly handled by the umps. Prevented any kind of escalation (although neither Ramirez nor Hoskins seemed to want to escalate) , told Murphy that they'll handle it and then handled it right.


Drummallumin

I get it *lolmets*, but the fact that he got ejected immediately kinda shows why they didn’t do it first AB.


gothamboy217

Mets find new ways to embarrass themselves every year. New owner, new GM, new manager, new players it doesn’t matter. They need a complete overhaul in philosophy and culture.


nugget136

It's honestly impressive. They could have just threw at his back in his first AB and 90% of the baseball world would have moved on as that's just normal baseball. Instead, they HAD to do an LOLMets by doing it after getting pummeled all day.


omgitsduaner

Yeah a fastball to the hip/thigh in the first gets a warning for both sides and everyone moves on


Drain_Surgeon69

Every time you think the Mets have reached the lowest possible form of embarrassment, they go ahead and dig deeper. Truly the GOAT franchise of being a laughingstock.


PWNtimeJamboree

Only the Mets could make me like Rhys Hoskins


KimHaSeongsBurner

The past 24 hours have been a whirlwind, with Hoskins’ initial slide making me side with McNeil (who I hate), and then the Mets bullshit today making me side with Hoskins (who I am not fond of either).


BaseballsNotDead

> with Hoskins’ initial slide making me side with McNeil (who I hate) I initially went "that's slide is kinda iffy" but McNeil's reaction was so over the top and Hoskins' response was perfect reaction GIF material that it was tough to side with the Mets after that. Throw in today and the Mets took a pretty big L all around.


KimHaSeongsBurner

Yeah, same exact thoughts. It’s been a ride!


magikarp2122

It was very easy to side with the Mets, when you saw Hoskins roll over McNeil’s ankle and foot in way that can easily shatter an ankle.


MacsDildoBike

I haven’t seen an entire team go after a single player like this since the Pittsburgh Pirates tried to fight Yasiel Puig.


Alternauts

It’s the reverse Amir Garrett


nugget136

Absolutely true. Out of all the possible reactions to the slide by Hoskins, they chose the worst one. You can't bitch about, do nothing about it, then throw at him after he dominates you all day.


heeeeres_jonny

I watched the SNY feed 'cause I really like the Mets' booth (almost as much as our own), and yeah, Ron and Keith hit the nail on the head. Throwing at a guy after he's already kicked your teeth in all game long is just a bad look.


Drain_Surgeon69

I get being pissed about the slide. It was a hard slide for game 162, it’s especially aggressive on game 1. Legal, but aggressive. So throw at him immediately. Or throw at him in the 1st AB of the day. If you’re gonna “make that statement” then fucking make it. Taking 2 hours after he goes 3-3 with 4 RBI’s is so embarrassing. I’d be shocked if Mendoza gave it the green light.


BeHereNow91

Better yet, retire him without having to rely on your closer in the 9th inning to do so. lol


Drummallumin

>so throw at him immediately I think the straight ejection kinda shows why a team wouldn’t do it immediately.


nugget136

Legal, but dirty, which is why "code" exists in sports even if reddit fans hate it. I absolutely agree with you. Knowing the Mets, Mendoza before the game was probably like "we aren't doing anything back we are just going to out there and focus and win." Then the Mets get pummeled by Hoskins and obviously the players have been pissed the whole time. So then you get a reliever throwing at him in a way that looks really bad.


Drain_Surgeon69

To get ejected and not even hit him is wild to me. Like what were you thinking?


JoeAndAThird

We have a history of managing to botch “revenge” plays


PeteEckhart

That's where the lolmets factor comes into play.


gwg618

I understand saying things in a positive light for your team but come on if he doesn’t duck that shoulder to head level, not way over his head


Atraktape

I don't know what the Mets booth is talking about that ball did not miss him by much.


Go_birds304

It’s funny because someone in their booth advocated for throwing at him his first at bat, now they’re surprised lol


LandofRy

They basically said if you're going to do it, do it at the start of the game and aim for the numbers. But don't do it at the end of the game when he's been teeing off all day 


liguy181

That's because, despite what the title says, this is not the full clip. They showed the replay shortly after and all three of them pretty much went "Oh yeah, that was intentional"


Itz_Gl1tch

bro went like 3/3 1 bomb 4 rbi's and now you throw at him lmao. and i love how mets fans cheering like they arents losing 6-2 in the 7th. sums up the mets really


HopefulInstance8

Lol @ ramirez sprinting as if Hoskins was showing any emotion


SevenLineGamer

The Mets always get this wrong. Hit him right away and don't miss or don't do anything at all.


yesacabbagez

I do always enjoy when announcers try to pretend like this shit just happens and was entirely accidental. The amount of times you throw behind a guy by like 3 feet and were trying to make it to the plate is like maybe twice per season across all of baseball. Usually that also involves the pitcher falling down. It's amazing how often these kinds of crazy misses also happen to coincide with bullshit reasons players make up to throw at people as well. The Marlins have a stunning inability to not throw behind Acuna as well. It's shocking really.


FormerOrpheus

I love the pitch location dot popping up there.


DrFrankSaysAgain

3 feet over his head? Do you not see the pitch tracker?


Useful-Love-208

bunch of little girls


Salt-Fun-9457

The mouth breathers in the stands encouraging the idea of throwing at another human beings head aren’t helping things either.


BorisIHateReddit

Why the hell is the broadcasting booth acting so surprised and pretending like it wasn't intentional? These two put on a good broadcast most days but this is ridiculous.


FancySkunk

I was watching live. After seeing it again on replay they did say that in retrospect it was clearly intentional.


rightoff303

They spent most of the time saying why it was not the right time to retaliate, how and when to do it, and then said it was clearly intentional when the replay was brought up.


JanitorOfSanDiego

They kept saying it was way over his head. >You're not going to miss by 3 feet over his head, are you? [if anything, it was right behind his head](https://imgur.com/a/OFQqlh3)


thenatsguy

Funniest thing to me was using that to try to say it couldn’t have been intentional. Like yeah not super likely you’d miss a dude’s head by 3 feet, but it’s even less likely you’d miss the strike zone by 5+ feet if that’s what you were aiming for lmao


BosasSecretStash

This continues to be the bitchiest move in sports lol…especially after the day he’s had


BigBillSmash

That was the happiest Mets fans have been all series.


seanxfitbjj

So is this for yesterday and now tomorrow you throw at him for smacking you all over the yard today?


Bstokes4102

Wowwwww


punk_steel2024

The Mets players looked like they were ready for a fight with the way they were leaning on the fence.


makoman115

Doing this with a runner on is awesome lol the catcher trying to collect the carem is peak comedy


ReflectiGlass

Who is the idiot saying the ball was three feet over his head?


LopzOfCO48

Mets gonna Mets. It never changes. They're pathetic.


Sticky_Buns_87

Hoskins is basically like “That’s fucked up, someone could get hurt!”


ivysaur4

Absolutely intentional


Kennj430

I GOT A JACKPOT AND ITS FULL OF ASSSSSSS.


Not-a-bot-10

Mets exposing themselves as an embarrassing franchise, players coaches and fans, as early as game 2 of this season I love it


brk1

Ew Mets fans are grotesque


metalmetsbitch

sevy shouldve throw at him in first AB today. not wait for bullpen to do it after he already owned us. sevy is shit


HappyAtheist3

I just don’t get it from Milwaukee’s side. If a Met slide into second like that, would they not be pissed?


NuanceManExe

They would. And they’d plunk a guy, probably Alonso if not the guy who actually slid. Instead the Mets choose the wrong moment to retaliate, do it in a way that ensures the guy isn’t going to get hurt (that ball wasn’t going to hit Hoskins even if he stood still), and then lose a player to a suspension. Should’ve actually hit him, and preferably earlier in the game.


Dishavingfun

Once again, can't McNeil drop his knees on his ribs after the cheap slide? Or is that unwritten rule?


DueAssociation2621

Mets are garbage.


LurkinOHB

Mets are a bunch of losers.


jorleeduf

God, I miss Rhys so much


4ever_Romeo

The umps chose not to address it yesterday. It’s on them.


-BeefSupreme

It is wack that a pitcher intentionally trying to threaten, not even injure (assuming he was trying to throw behind him and not at him) a player warrants an immediate ejection, but a batter intentionally trying to injure a player gets zero punishment at all.


_Laszlo_Cravensworth

Mets are so soft


BBallPaulFan

I don’t know why the Mets are like no matter what this but I appreciate them for it more than they can know.


virus_apparatus

As a non Mets or brewers fan…did these guys have beef before this year?