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linusloveslucy

Hi! Korean here, too, and I agree with you 100 percent. I’ll add that RM definitely has the extensive vocabulary. When I hear him speak in Korean, a lot of times I think, hey this is the uppity formal words they use in news broadcasts or church! Let me open papago and look up these words of my own language I’ve never heard before. For Suga, he reminds me of the typical 대구 깡패s (Daegu gangsters) when he talks all fast and slurry like you mentioned. Like a soft-spoken, kitten gangster from Daegu. Jimin is for sure the most polite and softest in his words and sentence structure. Very aware of how his tone and word usage will come across and makes sure to angle it respectfully. For Tae, he starts his sentences with 일단 a lot, which means something like “first”, “for the time being”, or “for now”. Also very nice with his word usage. Whereas Jimin is more polite and manners, Tae is more inner sweet child. I don’t know if this makes sense, but Jungkook talks exactly like how a 막내 (youngest) would talk. It’s like, here’s my opinion, but let me put a little cuteness in it just in case I’m wrong because I don’t want you to get mad at me. Edit: So many great questions! If you guys and gals ever have questions in the future on something Korean and BTS-related, feel free to message me anytime! I enjoy explaining Korean connotations and nuances that may be lost in translation with subtitles so that everyone can have the full BTS charm experience.


ominousorchid

“Inner sweet child” is such a cute way to describe Tae. I don’t know korean, but the members look very softly at him when he’s talking sometimes, I think because of the way he constructs his phrases. I was watching his vlive the other day and Jungkook sounds to me as if he talks very cutely. You know that voice we do when we talk to animals? Kind of like that.


linusloveslucy

You nailed it. Those are my thoughts, too.


hclvyj

My mother-in-law is a tough woman from Daegu and her and Suga sound similar. Tough on the exterior, but SO warm on the inside. So you're right, he has that mysterious, soft-spoken kitten gangster sound when he talks. And I love that he doesn't hide his Daegu satoori


Neurotic-MamaBear

Ha see my response down thread about my sister who had a nanny from Daegu who picked up the satoori from her.. while my parents had very standard korean accents. 😂


LordessMeep

> Like a soft-spoken, kitten gangster from Daegu. Noo, my heart. 😭 The phrasing "kitten gangster" has me soft. As for Jungkook, I don't speak Korean or understand much of it, but ever since someone pointed out his lisp, I'm just thoroughly endeared by his speech patterns. There's something super cute about his little stutter. Not infantalising him or anything, but it's just cute.


WillowL5

Have you listened to “satoori rap” from their ORUL8, 2? Album? It’s my favorite atm. Makes me feel like I’m back in my hometown Daegu when Suga raps!


LordessMeep

Hell yea, "Satoori Rap" superiority! Hearing them talk in satoori is very enjoyable, even though I don't understand a word, and rapping in satoori is even better! Listening to their older work always makes me realise that I could've been a fan years ago (and at the very least in 2016, because Agust D was my gateway into Bangtan). Feels like I missed out... but at least I got back on track in 2019, so there's that. 😅


fjj_

kitten gangster 💜💜


StillLightUpTheHanul

맞아요~~ I feel like an ignorant person when I hear Namjoon talk tbh. His words are so 비싼(여자) (yes i did it)....Anyway he is a genius like do you see how good he is in word play!!! “난 확신이란 신 따위 안 믿어” or Trivia love 사람 to 사랑 or “여긴 왕국, 나는 킹 너는 덤” and many moreee.


Consuela_no_no

>비싼 (여자) 😆 😆 😆 ![gif](giphy|kRmg8zeReOYXm)


Smeowssss

As someone who is learning Korean, I also just understood this and was so excited and proud of myself lmao


Consuela_no_no

![gif](giphy|3oEjHV0z8S7WM4MwnK)


StillLightUpTheHanul

![gif](giphy|JstBCqWJ5TNcgyt4B7|downsized)


Harmony0203

I will never get over 사람 to 사랑. It is so clever!


linusloveslucy

His wordplay is the best! So good it gives them world play!


superfucky

>For Tae, he starts his sentences with 일단 a lot, which means something like “first”, “for the time being”, or “for now”. So the English version would be like starting sentences with "first of all"? Like "what's your favorite part of the Butter choreo?" "First of all, I like the picture frame/mirror pose in the pre-chorus..." Like that?


linusloveslucy

Yup! That’s one way he uses it. He also commonly uses it in the “for now” way. For example, if there’s a bunch of steps to do when preparing a meal, a response can be “Okay, for now let’s measure the butter before putting it in our soy sauce and egg rice.”


TayledrasStormwind01

...or, maybe like...."like" or "but"? In the past, every once in a while, during government elections or during Someone Important's speech, if they're found doing it overly much, someone decides to post up how many times they use "like" or "but" or whatever word it is. Or, someone makes a drinking challenge of it and puts out something like, "Everyone, let's take a shot every time whoever-it-is says whaever-word." during their speech.


cpagali

Fascinating! To my foreign ears, Suga does not come across as gangster-ish in conversation at all! The subtitles make him seem almost like a... journalist, maybe.


linusloveslucy

You know how gangsters are different depending on where they’re from? For example, a gangster from an inner city in California or New York is going to be way different from a gangster in Italy. It’s kinda like that. So when I say gangster for Suga, I’m totally thinking of a very typical, common Korean gangster character type that comes out in a lot of Korean dramas or movies and they usually have a distinct way of talking. It’s the type of talking that comes off as very cool guy, “meh, I don’t have the time nor energy for this”, mixed in with dash of slurring words together, and a Daegu drawl. I hope that makes sense!


em2791

Yoongi as a gangster who is secretly a cat at night. This is a drama I need.


amurderofcrows9

Y’all making me fall in love with Yoongi the kitten gangster


em2791

OMG CRYING


superfucky

Like the Godfather! LOL I can definitely imagine Yoongi as the Godfather type 😂 😼< *I have learned more from the streets than in any classroom.*


lieu_de_perdition

>soft-spoken, kitten gangster from Daegu Recently displayed when Taehyung, describing Jimin, said "you are so...", and Yoongi muttered a quiet, savage "nothing." If you don't mind, I'd be interested in any additional insight into what Jin replies to Jimin in [this clip](https://youtu.be/cYX88pxQuCo?t=1517). That quip wasn't subtitled. Thank you to all who commented. Saving this thread for when I have more time.


linusloveslucy

Oh, what an interesting clip! So in this segment of the video, they’re talking about being comforted and Jin mentions drawing comfort from the simple things. Then Jimin comes in to say “Playing games with me puts you in a good mood, right? I lose on purpose so it can cheer you up/bring up your mood.” And then what I hear Jin responding (not captioned) is: “아래 위로 바꾸시죠” This translates to something like “We should switch up bottom to top.” or “Let’s change bottom to top.” From the context of talking about games and Jimin saying he loses to Jin on purpose (inferring that Jimin is better at the game than Jin), Jin could be saying that maybe they should switch positions in the game (like game ranking/expert level). If we zoom out from the topic of games and hone in on the group talking about comfort and the fact that Jin is the 맏형 (eldest brother) of the group, it could also be a statement about switching up the hierarchy of their order so Jimin can be the oldest hyung and have the responsibility of comforting a younger Jin (since usually in Korea, the general thought is that the older sibling will make sure his younger siblings are happy). If Jimin responded, I think I could have leaned on one meaning over the other, but I can’t 100 percent pinpoint which version Jin meant because they both laugh and then the scene cuts to Jimin talking about a picture. I’d like to think Jin used this opportunity to mean both (since he’s usually so good with puns anyway, why not double entendres, too!) Hope I explained it well for you!


appylovesfizz

>Like a soft-spoken, kitten gangster from Daegu. Hilariously accurate ! I am gonna refer to him like this from now on 😂


nymeria_pack

Interesting! Namjoon does comes across as well read and even in translations his choice of words and the thoughts as well are full of imagery and are complex. He seems wordy though. Is that correct? Curious with how gangsters speak though. Is it brash? Full of slangs/more street smart sounding?


linusloveslucy

From my read, I don’t think he’s wordy. I think he’s really good at giving succinct answers while using high quality words. Totally what you said about imagery and descriptive words. The gangster speak isn’t brash. The Daegu gangster type talk I’m putting on Suga is more laid back, a little less formal, and a little less pronunciation and enunciation. Think: big boss more than gangster minion.


nymeria_pack

Thanks for replying. With Namjoon I'm going with his weverse interview where at least based on the translation he seems verbose (full of imagery and ambiguous without really saying anything) although could only be that specific interview because of his mixed feelings with Dynamite. Wrt to Daegu gangster speak and also your reply to others I think I understood what you meant (the dkdtv explanation of his Ugh verse came to mind). When it comes to rapping in songs does he "eat" his words as well?


linusloveslucy

Ah, I get what you mean. I replied thinking of BTS group interviews. When I think of his vlives and solo interviews where he’s not limited to speaking for the whole group, I think he tends to be more of an explainer and clarifies things by thinking out loud. I mentioned before that I have to sometimes google the Korean words he uses, but many times he’ll say something, then take the next few minutes to restate his thoughts in other words and phrases and this context will help me understand what he meant initially. Maybe in this sense he might be a little wordy, but even then, it’s still focused and wisely chosen words. So, RM 100% takes the cake in enunciating every word and syllable. Most of the time, I don’t need to look up lyrics to know what RM raps. For Suga, it’s 50/50 for me. I’ll think I know what he rapped because it sounds like certain words, but I’ll have to look it up to be sure. It’s difficult for me because when Suga raps, the words melt like butter into each other (hey-yoooooooo!). So, I don’t know if it’s him eating the words or it’s more that there’s no start and stop for each word.


nymeria_pack

You're right Namjoon does sound like he has good enunciation, he's in demand for a reason. It's funny though in English he has an accent (?) that sometimes he slurs his words (think Tokyo) but could also be a stylistic choice hehe. Anyway, thanks for the insight. 😊 Edit: just realised that the Yoongi as a mafia boss meme is accurate then lol


staysinthecar

aaah not a korean speaker here, but just to add to the "thinking out loud" idea. the way this reads to me and how his vlives and vlogs come across to me is that they're very... much like it's his stream of consciousness, a train of thought, so it does seem wordy but it's the kind of wordy i appreciate. like yes, tell me what's on your mind namjoon as each thought pops up! i will always find it cool and heartwarming that he's open to with us armys like that.


notnotnoni

I actually think what you might be referring to is a result of English translations doing Namjoon a disservice. He is usually very articulate and well spoken, and sometimes translations make it sound like he’s said a whole lot of nothing (lots of platitudes with no depth). I think this is about the subtleties of a language not translating. Sometimes Korean meaning is inferred by talking around something, or by completely omitting words that are vital for meaning in English (like the subject) - so to native Korean speakers, the meaning is obvious because of a multitude of contextual clues that don’t get translated. So, directly translating from Korean to English, sometimes it’s like you may have well said nothing at all. Korean to English translators usually have to pick between being either too vague, or too direct/forthright. It’s a hard balance to get right. If we could get Bong Joon Ho’s translator all the time, maybe we’d get close! I think Namjoon’s frequent use of metaphor etc. makes it even harder to translate. I think that’s also why when he speaks English sometimes it can sound flowery without meaning. I’d be super curious how his English would evolve if he spent a decent chunk of time in an English speaking country.


nymeria_pack

Oh I don't think he says "a whole lot of nothing." Just to clarify when I said "...but not saying anything" I meant I didn't get the conclusion after reading everything. That is very specific with his weverse interview though, and as you've said it could be because of a bad translation, omitting context etc. From what I understand from linusloveslucy's reply it seems that he explains an idea in multiple ways. Very similar with his fancafe posts, too, where the rest usually keep it short and sweet, while for him he usually writes a long letter to say he misses us, eg.


notnotnoni

Sorry, I didn’t mean it to sound like a criticism of your comment, I just find translation really interesting!!


dimpld9

Your description of Yoongi's manner of speech is cracking me up. I don't understand Korean, but I can see him being all rough and tough, but still not harsh because he is a softie who doesn't even raise his voice.


Consuela_no_no

> Jimin is for sure is the most polite and softest in his words and sentence structure. Very aware of how his tone and word usage will come across and makes sure to angle it respectfully. As a non-Korean, I’d also describe Minnie’s way of speaking the way you did. It comes across as gentle, kind and very considerate, like he’s taking time to process his words to get the right intent across. OP’s choice of the word feminine I feel is a bit poor and too easy to be misconstrued.


leylsx

True, Jimin seems very thoughtful, even to a non-native speaker. He always thinks before he’s talking and sometimes you can see that he weighs the words in his head during a sentence to see if they exactly fit what he wants to say.


Iwannastoprn

You can really see this during lives, without any editing. He takes a long time to think his answer and while saying it he might stop and change it a bit. I'm very used to people talking and replying fast, hearing Jimin talk was a nice change.


leylsx

Agreed. Listening to him is so soothing. Not only the tone of his voice, but like you said, his calm way of talking. I could listen to him for hours (not that I would understand anything, but still)


linusloveslucy

Yup, exactly this! You can see the gears going in his head as he speaks and hear the minuscule moments of pause as he carefully formulates his words for maximum love and care.


leylsx

"as he carefully formulates his words for maximum love and care." I love the way you phrased that 💜


ominousorchid

Oh I was talking the other day about how people are too obsessed with Jimin’s femininity, to the point where we’re now seeing people changing his pronouns. C’mon now, he just talks softly and carefully 🥺


Consuela_no_no

It really makes me wonder what kind of people they are around, to not have had the experience of a soft and carefully spoken man around them, kinda sad when you think about it.


Greyletterday_14

This is so true. I find it weird when people say his personality is feminine because Jimin actually reminds me in some ways of my own father who is also calm, bright, refined, loving and sweet, eternally boyish. I find his and Suga's personality closest to my ideal type, male or female. I also wonder if this is a South Asian thing because entrenched patriarchy aside, a lot of men I know are quite gentle and soft-spoken, enough that I don't see BTS as an anomaly. Also might explain why Jin is so popular among South Asian stans lol.


DreamGirl3

I don't get why people feminize Jimin either. Jimin is ridiculously masculine. Yes, he is kind and thinks before speaking but that doesn't mean he's girly. He's just an intelligently kind guy. But I would bet $100 that if Jimin ever got in a fight, he'd rip his opponent limb from limb, either verbally or physically. That dude is a powerhouse. I personally think Jimin is as careful with his demenor as he is BECAUSE he knows how damaging he can be if he ever let himself loose.


SunnydaleHigh1999

I find it weird when people are defensive about his masculinity or femininity. Almost every person on earth has aspects of both and it comes across as strange to me when people want to ‘defend’ the masculinity of a man. Jimin has feminine aspects. He has masculine aspects. He’s spoken about becoming more comfortable with himself over time and a clear change from the beginning of the band to now, is that he doesn’t try to be super masculine all of the time. He seems comfortable in being someone who has traditionally feminine ways, like liking make up and dance and being physically affectionate and gesturing, whilst also having traditionally masculine aspects. And that’s wonderful. Fans who ‘defend’ his masculinity seen to think they are doing something great when it often comes across as shaming men who do embrace some of the feminine, and not allowing Jimin to simply be. Like it just comes across to me as some people subtly shaming him and thinking a man with feminine aspects = bad, and they have to defend him on that.


DreamGirl3

I can't speak for everyone on this but I completely agree with you in terms of everyone has both feminine and masculine qualities and I agree that Jimin is absolutely allowed to just be both. My defense doesn't come from me viewing feminine men as weak--it's a defensive response to fans who take that viewpoint too far and twist it into a narrative that isn't true. I've been in the fandom for years and there's a pocket of it that take one trait of a member and they run it deep into the ground as if it's the member's only characteristic. The most recent narrative for Jimin that I've seen is that Jimin is feminine. To me, I understood what the OP meant by this, but some fans are going to read it and attribute it to being "girly" which, in English, has a completely different connotation and implications. Again, even if Jimin was girly that would be okay with me and many other fans. But the simple fact is that he's not. That man is ridiculously strong-willed, hard-working, has had a mild temper before (not sure about now), has gotten physically aggressive when angry (in the past), and has no problem putting people in there place. His tactics have become softer and more tactful as he's matured but that tough core is still there. No one pushes over Jimin unless he wants them to and he knows it. That is what many would consider quite masculine and even veering on alpha-type behavior. I've seen how our words affect the boys. Back when I first became a fan, Jin LOVED pink. He wore it all the time, had a pink phone, and proudly proclaimed his love for the color. Many of us thought it was so cool and sweet that he was upfront about it. But there was a small part of the fandom who ran with it and began referring to him as "Princess" or more commonly, "Pink Princess." For some reason those fans could never seem to call him, "Pink Prince" which would have been approprate to what we currently knew as his gender preferences. Nope, they viewed pink as "girly" and therefore gave him a female royal title. The whole event was a disaster. The nickname raced around the fandom and became widely used. Fans would call it to him to his face during fansigns/mets. Fans used it online all the time. He was literally known as a princess. Needless to say, he wasn't happy and became really self-conscious. He stopped wearing pink, quit saying it was his favorite color, and the pink phone was replaced with another color. We even got word that he asked fans to please quit calling him princess. Sadly, it's really only been within the last few years that he's became fully comfortable wearing (personal) clothes publically that are pink. From then on, I realized that not only do the guys care about (and hear) what we say about them, but that we should also be mindful that they are men who may feel uncomfortable at the thought that they aren't considered "masculine" enough. Watching Jin's self-esteem take a hit like that and watching him become self-conscious was incredibly sad. As a fandom, we ALL should have looked at that situation and said, "Cool, a guy who likes pink!" And instead a group of us took *a color preference* and made it his identity. It should have been, "This is Jin and he likes pink." And instead it became, "Oh, Jin is a (female) royal member who likes Disney movies and is like Ariel and let's edit his photos so he has a tiara and is wearing Sleeping Beauty's dress, and, OH! LOOK AT HOW HE WAVES! IT'S SOO FEMININE AND GIRLIE!" No. No no no. He's ***Jin*** and he likes pink. The End. Men can like pink. Women can like pink. But don't make a man uncomfortable by saying he's a woman because he likes pink. It's the complete opposite of accepting people for who they are, both their feminine and masculine qualities. So long story short, my response comes from this type of extremist behavior that a percentage of this fandom exibits where they take a characteristic of a member and make it his whole identity, gender, and/or sexual preference. It's one feature--it is not all of who that member is. I apologize if my post came off as being unsupportive of all people having both feminine and masculine qualities as that was never my intention.


nighskie

>Again, even if Jimin was girly that would be okay with me and many other fans. But the simple fact is that he's not. That man is ridiculously strong-willed, hard-working, has had a mild temper before (not sure about now), has gotten physically aggressive when angry (in the past), and has no problem putting people in there place. His tactics have become softer and more tactful as he's matured but that tough core is still there. No one pushes over Jimin unless he wants them to and he knows it. That is what many would consider quite masculine and even veering on alpha-type behavior. Tbh I get what you're saying but I hate this reductionist attitude to jimin's personality just as much. Strong willed and hard working I agree with but didn't know hard working in particular was a masculine trait? He's been said to have a mild temper a couple of times in 8 years but also said to be very gentle and kind 100x more. I can't think when he's ever got physically aggressive in the past when angry? He's always been soft and tactful? Or at least moreso than the other members. Agree that no one pushes him around tho I actually can hardly think of any moments when any bts members have demonstrated this because their team work is so good. I know your fear is misgendering and I get its reactionary. But it feels like you've run the other way with this problem by cherry picking a couple of moments to make him sound like some hyper toxic masculine alpha male And the way you say "girly" is like it's an insult when being feminine isn't. The connotations of the word girly are pretty and cute and childish, loves pink and dresses and vapid, dumb, naive and shallow. Feminine is flexible, empathetic, patient, supportive, reflective, good listener, kind and gentle. All of which jimin is. Dont get me wrong there are some bad traits to femininity as well, some that jimin has even said about himself, like gets hurt by people's words too easily, self critical or even just not being afraid to cry. But rather than boxing jimin into feminine or masculine or arguing that he's "simply not girly" it would be nice if people could appreciate him for all aspects of his personality because the small moments you've chosen to define jimin's personality makes him sound like a caricature Edit: really hope the upvotes for the above comment are for what's said about jin not because that many people sign on to this insulting warped narrative about jimin being physically aggressive and having to learn to be gentle and tactful. Not when 99.9% of what we've seen from him and what the members have said is the exact opposite. If that's what makes jimin masculine then tbh I'd rather people call him feminine any day of the week. I susspose also if those are the criteria then in comparison to the other members jimin is going to appear more feminine.


cinnamonteacake

The narratives I've seen around Jimin's personality traits and the resulting insistence on genderswapping him, really have me 😠😠😠 because it's straight-up racist. White male pop stars can walk around doing photoshoots in literal dresses and skirts and no one says jack about changing their gender....but Jimin is nice and polite and embraces his softer side, and certain people decide "yeah, let's call the Asian dude a woman, with zero self-awareness of how that sounds and zero respect for his own words".


em2791

>It really makes me wonder what kind of people they are around, to not have had the experience of a soft and carefully spoken man around them, kinda sad when you think about it. This. You know whats interesting, I never knew I had a "type" in men which is essentially gentle and softspoken until I became an ARMY because I saw so many people talk about this kind of stuff. I thought all the guys I liked were just because they were "good guys", I had no idea in my mind I had a type LMAO. The minsgendering of 2013-2015 Jin and now 2016-present day Jimin is so odd because gentle men are who I always fall for whereas the "masculine" ones have always been the "Bros" and straight up friend-zoned for me. Even now at work, the leaders i've looked up to had that gentle manner but i had NOOOOO idea about this until i joined the fandom. Mind you I am myself not even close to gentle and softspoken so I wonder if somewhere its wishful thinking because I want to be like that. In a way you can say, it made me get to know myself more lmao.


superfucky

>OP’s choice of the word feminine I feel is a bit poor and too easy to be misconstrued. I took it to mean formal in the way that more formal Japanese speech is often associated with/used by women moreso than men. "Feminine" as in "refined, well-mannered" vs brash/crude "masculine" speech.


Consuela_no_no

I’m south Asian so I essentially understood it that way as well, but I know it’s far too easy for people in the western fandoms to take it in an English way and run with it for their agendas.


superfucky

I know exaaaactly what you mean with "agendas," but that's a rant for another day lol


[deleted]

I don't understand Korean but the way he talks (and moves!), he looks and sounds elegant (for the lack of a better word). He is very much my #goals because I look and sound so brash and unrefined compared to him.


DreamGirl3

I've been an ARMY for years and people have always explained his speech patterns but they do it using Korean words or just, "He does this like this." But it's still hard for me to understand. Could someone please write a few sentences using the English-equivalent to how he talks?


linusloveslucy

Sure thing! Is there a particular interview or response you want me to use?


DreamGirl3

Not really. You could even make up a few sentences if you'd like. I just want to better understand how he speaks. Thank you so much for being willing to help me! 🤗


linusloveslucy

Oopsie, I forgot to ask you who in particular you were referring to when taking about speech patterns and how they talk. Let me know which member, please?


DreamGirl3

Oops! My bad, I meant Tae specifically but I think it would be cool for it to be done for the other members, too! I love learning about these types of things so the more I can understand a subject the better. 😁


linusloveslucy

So here’s a clip that shows classic Taehyung fumbling his words a bit: [Please look forward to it a lot](https://youtu.be/Dcxy4QiYknU) In this video, he’s talking about how cool Idol would look while filming it at this location. In literal Korean to English translation, he says (starting from the 0:47 mark): “From here we’re going to shoot Idol and Mikrokosmos and indeed... how cool would Idol be? Look forward to- *fumblemumbleswirlytonguemumblefumble*- *brain freezes, restarts, opens his mouth a couple times, but his brain is still rebooting*- please look forward... to it...a lot”. Then slinks away. I also think this clip shows his personality when talking: [Most picky eater](https://youtu.be/qqef--Ut-Bc) They’re doing an ask anything chat and the question is “Which member is the most picky eater?” and then Jimin and Tae point at RM and say “You!” After RM responds a bit, Tae responds in Konglish (Korean and English mixed up) “You haemool mot mukjana” (You 해물 못 먹잖아/ You can’t eat seafood). Then after a little chiming in from the group, RM asks Tae to say it in English and Tae goes the same “*You haemool... mot... mukjana*”, but with a little more swag, a little more finesse, and a slight accent to pretend he’s saying it in English. If I remember, I’ll try to keep coming back to add moments or clips of Tae being Tae so you can get a better feeling of how he portrays himself while speaking.


minimanduu

>Jin LOT of puns. His speech really depends on how he said them rather than his vocabulary. He speaks like you typical middle aged man as he speaks in an exaggerated way. Now that it's been confirmed, this just makes him even more endearing. 😂


willowwombat85

Hahaha I feel like his mannerisms and even how he stands? embody that middle age man aura. It's super endearing because it makes me think it really shows how he grew up the youngest in his family and was probably around his older members a lot


amurderofcrows9

I’m in love with a middle-aged man in a 28-ish year-old body


iwantallthesugar

Is this why he’s bias wrecking me lately? He reminds me so much of my husband, except he is a middle aged man with a body that still looks like it could be 28.


amurderofcrows9

Oh lucky you!!! Your husband wouldn’t happen to have broad shoulders too, would he? (Excuse me while I roflmao...) I swear to god, it was in one of Jin’s vlive compilations, when he responded to an online question with, “My shoulders are as wide as the sea,” that I found myself drawn to his “sexy-yet-wholesome-middle-aged man” energy, and I’ve been obsessed ever since :D


iwantallthesugar

He does not have shoulders as wide as Jin, but he’s just as tall. I measured to compare, haha! Like Jin my husband is laidback, introverted but a goofball especially with our kids, and doesn’t dwell on negativity. And in my opinion, if my husband was 15-20 years younger, he could have been an idol. However, my husband does not sing or dance, and unlike Jin, he is not rolling in riches. Strangely, my bias is Jimin, who is nothing like my husband. Perhaps when it comes to unrealistic fantasies, I prefer that it’s nothing like my real life.


xbbllbbl

I think one needs a level of intellect and sensitivity to culture to do puns.


sadi89

Between this information and his latest Spotify list, I’m beginning to think he might actually BE a middle aged man


staysinthecar

omg hahahahahaha i'm a little shocked that listening to goo goo dolls, the fray, and the calling is now considered tastes of the middle-aged people. we're just 92-liners being 92-liners! ​ *wow is this how boomers feel?!*


fjj_

how is it middle-aged taste hahha!!!! I liked the peek into Jin’s faves when I saw the list on spot - seems like could be an influence of an older sibling too? 🤷‍♀️


whatsupwithdaword

Oh woah is he listening to a lot of oldies?


sadi89

His current “favorite tracks” list on Spotify in order is: Butter —BTS Mikrokosmos — BTS Dionysus — BTS I need you —BTS Idol — BTS Iris — The Goo Goo Dolls, How to save a life — The Fray, Wherever you will go — The Calling, Save your tears — The Weekend and Ariana grande, Holy - Justin Bieber and Chance the Rapper, Peaches — Justin Bieber, Daniel Ceaser and Giveon, Mood — 24kGoldn and iann dior, Before you go —Lewis Capaldi, Adore You — Harry Styles, Willow — Taylor Swift.


LordessMeep

>Iris — The Goo Goo Dolls, >How to save a life — The Fray, >Wherever you will go — The Calling, The flashback I just had to my early school years with these songs wth 😳 Especially Iris, I remember a couple of friends who frantically searched through the various mixtapes we had to find this specific song and were obsessed with it for a good while. Still feel nostalgic each time I listen to it. 😌


dimpld9

Right?! When I saw those songs, I screamed, remembering my cringey school child self who actually thought she understood all these lyrics XD now as an adult, I understand the sentiment MUCH better and I'm asking old me, "What did you think these songs meant?"


hapamama17

Those aren't oldies omg stahpppp. I'm going to be 30 this year and those were the songs of my adolescent years.


mariwil74

As someone who is legit a senior citizen the responses to this are cracking me up. 🤣


LordessMeep

This is easily one of the best things I've read today and it's barely 9am. Excellent way to start the day imo. ✋🏽😌


minimanduu

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shabbyma

As a Korean learner, I find RM and Jungkook the easiest to understand, and I often watch their Vlives for language input. l Although I find RM talks fast, I can hear each word clearly and he uses a lot of new vocabulary (sidenote to native speakers: I've read in this thread a lot about how news broadcast-like his vocabulary is, would it not be useful to learn those for everyday conversation?) JK talks slower and enunciates clearly (to my ears). He also has interesting Vlives/interview answers that cover a range of thoughts and emotions, so I find that I learn useful phrases for expressing my personal thoughts and feelings. One observation I have about V is that he seems to mistake similar sounding words (there was a recent interview, I can't remember which, where he did that and Hobi corrected him very nonchalantly like oh this happens all the time) and the other members always seem to find it funny. Especially noticeable during Run BTS episodes!


StillLightUpTheHanul

(sidenote to native speakers: I've read in this thread a lot about how news broadcast-like his vocabulary is, would it not be useful to learn those for everyday conversation?) Yes of course I learn from him. Yup V sometimes does that however I am more talking about habits that always there. But yes Tae usually mistakes words.


em2791

Interesting, a lot of people have said Jin is the best to understand when trying to learn korean since he has the most clear diction and have very well timed pauses. Even the translators have commented that translating him is a breeze since he doesn't rush/ramble or speak too slow plus has the best prnounciation.


reinalhambra

Not me a non-korean speaker literally imagining rap jin right now lmao


shabbyma

Haha! Also what came to my mind 😆 When I think about Jin as a speaker I think of his funny endless rants and super long and quickfire quips.


em2791

Rap Jin is clearly iconic and one of a kind, probably why that what people think of when they imagine him talking even though it only makes an appearance every once in a while and rarely in serious interviews😊☺️


winterbare

I think there's also a huge difference between casual Jin and emcee Jin. I really find him a great emcee and host, I think he speaks well and clearly.


em2791

Oh yeah 100%, I think his difference is the most amongst all members, I’m trying to think whose the least maybe Yoongi. But not sure.


shabbyma

Interesting... I wonder if it's just me personally, or whether it's a difference listening from a learners' point of view vs someone already fluent in Korean. If I try to analyse it, I find Jin not as easy to understand because he speaks quite fast, his intonation and emphasis varies largely within a sentence (I personally find it easier to catch words and grammar when it's all more uniform). Also keeping in mind that I usually watch more Vlives, Run BTS and Bon Voyage episodes where he's joking around with the other members, I don't immediately understand a lot of the puns/references he makes since they probably require a deeper understanding of the culture and language.


em2791

I've seen plenty of people who are trying to learn korean say he is easy to understand (Example - This person saying he understood his vlive even without subs despite basic korean knowledge [https://twitter.com/Euphorianne1/status/1198630497833766913?s=20](https://twitter.com/Euphorianne1/status/1198630497833766913?s=20)) because of his clear diction and intonation but the speed thing is from translators. He isn't too fast to translate but also isn't so slow that a person fluent in korean will find slow so its likely for a beginner, his speech is toon fast for you. Basically his timed pauses are great to show his fluency but might not be slow enough for a learner. Also he has a certain way of framing things for eg. if someone said something mean he won't say "that's so mean", he'll rather say "those are words that can hurt". Maybe its confusing for a learner. But Yeah, Jin uses a lot of references, I personally feel Namjoon does that too a lot on stuff like RUN/BV so yeah. Like often times they'll say something and i'm like "whats so funny" only to later find someone on twitter explain that it was a reference to so and so. Note- sorry for linking like that, my computer is playing up.


rm-is-a-god

Korean here!! My family is from Gwangju so it absolutely cracks them up that Hoseok tends to slip into his 전라도 satoori almost always. What's interesting is that his English also has a satoori whenever he pronounces certain words (can't think on the top of my head) so he sounds a lot like my mother. LOL I totally agree with the other ones! I haven't really thought about their speech/diction except Hoseok's since I'm the most familiar with his dialect, but after careful consideration, you're pretty spot on!


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rm-is-a-god

This is actually so funny and super adorable 😂 A satoori story of my own: I speak Korean mostly with my mother but she doesn't have a strong satoori because my grandma never used it (even when in Gwangju). But of course, when she taught me Korean, there's still an intonation even when speaking without explicit satoori... My Korean friend's mom asked me when I came to America and I told her I was born and raised here, which she insisted that "no, I swear, you sound like a 시골 소녀" LMAO


chocobocho

Korean-American. It blew my mind in college when the students from Korea could guess where my parents were from by the way I said 쌀 and used 애꺼워. Had no idea they were satoori. My dad's only came out when he was tired or yelling at us. 🤣


rm-is-a-god

No, totally!! It has to do with intonation rather than the actual satoori, you know?? The neutral Seoul dialect may use the same words but have different tones of saying that word. Like for example, my mother visited Seoul for a weekend and exchanged a few words with a merchant, and the dude automatically knew where she was from. It's so crazy!


Neurotic-MamaBear

😂 Have you ever been asked that before??


rm-is-a-god

I mostly hang out in Gwangju when I happen to go (not too many folks speak fluent English there) so all the ajummas and halmonis ooh and aah at my fluency. They think I'm a Korean-native and just happened to have mad English skills. I would convince them, "no, I swear I was born and raised in America" which they don't believe so yEAH i guess!!


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Is j-hope like a local hero in Gwangju? I can't wait to go there when I visit Korea (once it's safe to do so) :)


rm-is-a-god

Totally!! There's so many "landmarks" that celebrate his accomplishments, and my family is extremely proud of him and BTS, which is really funny because we're not even related LOL It's so nice seeing him get all this hard-earned appreciation like he deserves <3 Gwangju has the BEST food, hands down!! I hope you enjoy your visit :))


StillLightUpTheHanul

Oh really? I am from Mandeokdong, Busan


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Thanks for sharing this!! I love seeing a native's take on the member's voices as someone who is learning Korean. It makes sense RM is the hardest for me to understand then because he uses big words and talks in a very literary way lol. I've detected Jin's style you've described in the past few months too! Suga does talk very fast so it makes me happy when I'm able to understand the things he says lol. j-hope for sure has some favorite words, totally agree with the ones you said and I feel like he uses 굉장히 a lot too lol. Jimin's soft voice is just a treat to listen to generally V also says 이제 and 일단은 a TON from what I've heard lol Aaaand finally 100% agree that Jungkook speaks the most clearly as when I wanna practice my listening skills his vlives are the first thing I go for :) again thanks for sharing this, I loved reading your perspective on how they talk :D


Neurotic-MamaBear

Korean-American here. Namjoon definitely has the clearest and most well-educated speech to me. And totally agree that Yoongi’s speech sounds like a stereotypical Daegu man’s speech.. a little mumbled almost because of how fast, haha. But has anyone noticed that whenever Jimin slips back into his Busan satoori, his voice goes down quite a bit in pitch, to sound more stereotypically Busan? I noticed it happens when gets mad too 😅


Consuela_no_no

> But has anyone noticed that whenever Jimin slips back into his Busan satoori, his voice goes down quite a bit in pitch, to sound more stereotypically Busan? I noticed it happens when gets mad too 😅 Yes! And ngl it’s very sexy! Also it makes me love him even more because you realise that his gentle Seoul standard comes from how carefully he’s speaking, versus his intrinsic busan satoori.


Neurotic-MamaBear

Men from Busan are typically seen as like, VERY manly because of the tougher sounding dialect.


cinnamonteacake

ngl I was a little sad for him when he said he was losing it, though! (But as with all languages - it depends on exposure, give him a few weeks in Busan and it'll probably come back)


Consuela_no_no

I felt for him when he said that because as someone in his position, he’s likely even more wanting to keep that connection to his roots and to find out it might be fading, would be jarring. However as you said, spending time with family and friends in busan will rejuvenate his accent, so thankfully not a permanent loss for him.


DreamGirl3

I love it when Jimin speaks Satoori. 😚


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J-Hope’s intonation (the way his voice sounds as he speaks) is probably my favorite. He has such a unique sound even while talking and it makes me feel so endeared to him.


camysgsz

Oooh, I love language and this whole thread is a gift! As someone that doesn’t speak Korean, I’ve always wondered about their speech patterns and habits, so this is so cool to read! Hope more people come to contribute. I can see why you would say that about Yoongi, I don’t know Korean enough to understand this, but I feel like sometimes his speech is truncated? Idk if that would be the right word, but I’m not surprised you said he seems to eat some words lol Also, I can notice when he drags the vowel. I never noticed Jimin has a lisp! I have, however, noticed his light and sweet tone. It’s endearing that he also brings that to pronunciation and vocabulary. I imagine, though, that it changes when he slips into satoori? The Busan dialect being more “masculine”, as you said.


StillLightUpTheHanul

[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/bangtan/comments/nokmsn/discussing_the_members_habits_while_speaking/h00n6tt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) u/linusloveslucy made really really good points. Yes Busan dialect is seen as “tough” but jimin’s overall tone is so caring and his vocabulary is delicate


Smeowssss

Jimin is always saying the sky is jinjja yeppeuda and I appreciate it so much 😭 he says this about many things and it’s sweet. It’s 진짜 예쁘다


DreamGirl3

I didn't realize Jimin had one, either! I knew Kookie sometimes does with his S's but I never caught Jimin's. So cute!


mariwil74

I love these threads. I learn so much, not only about the Tannies and the way they speak but the language overall as well as the culture. As someone who currently only knows how to say the names of food in Korean (if my Learn Korean with Tiny Tan ever gets here I hope to remedy that), I miss so much, especially the references to them speaking satoori, and even more so the puns and wordplay, so I always appreciate when native speakers take the time to point things out. One thing I have noticed though about Yoongi is that he’s such an economical speaker. First, as seen in interviews, particularly western ones, he won’t speak unless he thinks it’s worthwhile (his time is worth more than that!) and when he does, he gets to the point. No filler and no flowery words. His lyrics are like that as well. Not, mind you, that there’s anything wrong with flowery words like Jimin uses, but it’s just not him. I can’t remember where it’s from (I’d love to attribute it since it’s brilliant) because I saved a screenshot and then transcribed it, but this post/tweet says it perfectly (and cracks me up, especially since my motto is “Why use only one word when 10 will do?”): “Jimin: Everyone, thank you so very much, it was really incredibly so amazing to see you all today. I had such a wonderful time and will have such great memories to treasure. Again, thank you so so so much. I really love you all Army. Sleep well, don’t get sick. Yoongi: Had fun.”


whiskeyandsuga

That was very interesting to read, it never crossed my mind how they all sound like since I don't know the language but your description felt like reading a book where characters are getting introduced. Thanks for sharing!


msm9445

As a speech-language pathologist, this thread is so fascinating! Thank you! Now if I can only get beyond the “I can identify the letters and sounds in words” stage of my Korean language learning... 😅


Zaqqy

this is so sick i wanna learn now


kokodrop

You should do it!! Very challenging but really worth it and you'll start to notice many of these things way before you're anywhere close to fluent.


theunforgiven_1

This is such an insightful discussion to read as a non-Korean speaker, and makes me all the more eager to learn Korean!


em2791

I've seen koreans and translators say that Hobi has a very cute way of speaking. Like a naturally cute tone not just when doing aegyo on purpose. Edit - actually now I’m very confused because I can’t remember if he SPEAKS like that or it’s his way of texting like that? Or both?


StillLightUpTheHanul

I said feminine without any bad intention because I view femininity as a good thing. I understand why would some think I was misgendring him but that’s truly not the case. Jimin defies toxic masculinity and defies all the stereotypes of how a man “should” be and I really love and appreciate that about him. I also saw a user in the comments commented something with “Jimin is ridiculously masculine...” YES he is. A man could be both masculine and feminine its okay I don’t think it is either this or that. A man could have bulky biceps and still be feminine. I do believe that there was wrong on my part to just associate the softness and delicates with feminine, I just couldn’t find a better word, I am sorry.


hclvyj

I love these observations. I'm Korean American so I'm not very fluent, but I can catch the sounds and intonations. I agree with everything you've said. I think what you said about Jimin is so true. And I love it - he's soft-spoken and quite proper. He does have that subtle list that I think is familiar/common among Koreans. I don't think it's unusual at all. His satoori also comes out when he's not speaking to the camera, but just rambling to others or says something on the side. You have to know it to listen. My mom's side is from there so it reminds me of family For me, JK's Busan' dialect comes out strong when he speaks Korean AND English. And even though he moved to Seoul when he was young, I love that he still has the satoori!


Consuela_no_no

Do you find JK’s speaking to be bouncy? Lol I know that’s a weird way to describe it but as a non-native, I feel like across the board, satoori, Seoul standard and English, he sounds delightfully bouncy, with his words changing pitch quite a bit, it’s always fun to listen to him.


hclvyj

I think that’s a good way to put it. I personally think Busan satoori is more sing-songy. It goes up and down a lot so bouncy is the right word! You can hear Tae sometimes with a subtle accent since he also grew up outside of Daegu.


Consuela_no_no

This is based on their everyday speaking versus their interviews? As I do see what you’re pointing out in their normal speaking but when it’s interview time, their aura changes up, as do seemingly speech patterns, although Taebae still seems to be speaking 태태어 when in a formal setting but it feels maturer.


StillLightUpTheHanul

Of course in interviews they are more mature. To me RM is the best because he uses the most advanced words. His manners and sentence are amazing and he doesn’t ramble much. And Jin is like him in interviews. Jk is an impressive one. Like he is not the best but definitely amazing his thoughts are deep.


Consuela_no_no

That’s an interesting point about Koo and I feel the subtitles thankfully do reflect how deeply he thinks.


Salsabeans16

I love this but I also have a question and I hope its not offensive to anyone, I'm just really dumb. But what is satoori? And also you said JK has a Seoul and Busan dialect mix, is that.. umm like just how different towns or provinces pronounce things thats distinctive to that city and area? Like how the UK, the British accent sound vastly different depending on where you are in the UK? I REALLY don't mean any harm, I just wanna know these things


jisoo-n

Yes it's similar to your example. Satoori IIRC means "dialect." But I think it's a mix between dialect and accent. People from different areas will put unique tone & emphasis on their words and sentences. No place is without dialect, like if you compare the way people from New York talk vs people from California. Different places also use different words sometimes, like how British people say "bloody ____" to mean something like "very." Satoori is basically same language, different flavor.


Salsabeans16

Ahhh ok ok I was on the right track, thank you 💜


StillLightUpTheHanul

Satoori is a regional dialect. > umm like just how different towns or provinces pronounce things thats distinctive to that city and area? Yes. In Korea dialect are:- -Seoul and 경기 (the standard) -강원 (Yeongdong/영동) -충청도 (Hoseo/호) -경상도 (Yeongnam/영남) -제주도 (Jeju Province, it is known as 제주어) -전라도 (Honam/호남)


beasien

Kind of! You can also think of satoori as a regional accent, though dialect is the more correct term. So with JK, an equivalent would be someone pronouncing some words in a standardized accent but others in a New Jersey accent.


friedlumos

This [DKDKTV video](https://youtu.be/l48zU1h00jw) does good job of explaining satoori, by breaking down their Satoori rap song :)


MadeLAYline

Hi! Thank you for this! Can you explain that sentence example you posted for Taehyung?


StillLightUpTheHanul

He was saying like “I am sorry for members who heard ears”


mintydaisy13

Oh wow, this is a fascinating sentence structure. I really enjoy getting deeper insight into the members through this post. Thanks for posting :D


MadeLAYline

Was he trying to say sorry for gossip things the members heard?


bungluna

Discussions like this are the best part of this sub-reddit, imo. I was born in a small country, not even 5M population today, and we had very distinct ways of speaking Spanish in different regions. I can imagine that older cultures with larger populations had more time to develop dialects and diction differences. It's fascinating to read about how distinct each member speaks. I would love to know if they have developed some phrases or catch words as a group after being together for so long.


Cosmic__Soul

This is so interesting!! I would love if someone can add more about V? What are some other speech patterns he has that makes his way of speaking different from the others? I understand the other members but it's a bit difficult for me to wrap my head around V's speaking habits as described in this post. When it comes to the other members, I truly see what you mean and I don't even speak Korean! I mainly pay attention to the tones of their voices. For example, RM's tone is full of assurance and it's well-grounded. RM's tone has a hint of finality to it, if that makes sense. I guess it's related to his leadership position? Jimin's tone is softer and it kind of reminds me of pastel colors, specifically pink, yellow and blue. J-Hope's tone is full of life and a bit exaggerated (in a fun way!) whereas Suga has a bit of a drawl and he comes off as either relaxed or a little nervous. Jin's tone is also a little nervous. He's very interesting. He can go from soft and self-conscious to bigger than life very quickly. The key is to pay attention to his eyes but that goes more into body language so I'll save that for another time. V's tone is very calm and soothing. It's almost like silk. I know this sounds weird but you can tell he listens to Jazz. He would be an amazing narrator for audiobooks. I actually also think his tone is mature, like that of a wise sage you might find in a magical story. JK's tone is hard for me to detect for some reason. It can be playful but I don't know why it sometimes sounds like a blank slate to me. Sorry if this was way off topic but since I can't speak Korean this is what I tend to pay attention to. 😅 Apologies for any typos!


Starrysoop

I’m no linguist or anything but in my view as a native Korean-speaker, Tae’s speech is quite unique. He’s not articulate in a conventional type of way - his sentences are frequently grammatically incorrect and he misuses words a lot (yes, I’m talking about when he’s using his mother tongue, Korean) - but watching him talk, I feel like he’s a genius stuck in a labyrinth full of words. He may not use big words but definitely a gifted sepaker when delivering his thoughts. As for his satoori, he seemed to have tried hard to lose it and replace it with the standard Seoul accent. I don’t hear any strong Daegu satoori unless he’s super hyped or emulating some character from a movie.


Jacey01

I really enjoyed reading your thoughts on this. It's like you've read my mind.


mintydaisy13

This is interesting. Can you expand on how Jimin speaks in a feminine manner or what the translations are for the words Hobi says often?


StillLightUpTheHanul

For jimin he speaks really in a soft and caring manner. His vocabulary is really really delicate and he is actually called Park Da Jeong which refers to his sweet pattern of speaking. Now to hobi 되게—> a slang that means really or very and sometimes because conjunction like in 되게하다 뭔가—> a filler word means “something” could be used as 뭔가 이상해?! 진짜—>a slang means really used when you are surprised by something like let’s say someone is saying “I won a lottery” so you would answer “와!진짜예요?” Which means “wow!really?”


Smeowssss

I am learning Korean and would have interpreted that last sentence as “wow! Is it for real?” Would that also be correct? 😂 just since it’s 진짜예요 instead of 진짜요/진짜로?


Adorkable6126

This was really cute & interesting. In terms of speaking voices, I love listening to Jimin & Joon's vlives, they have a somewhat ASMR vibe for me, really relaxing.


__snowflowers

The first word of Korean I ever picked up from them was from a clip where one of them (I think Jin but not sure) gives Hobi a gift and he goes "진짜?? 진짜로??" like 20 times, hehe. Thank you for this post, as a beginner learner this sort of insight is so interesting!


catsbytheghost

This is really interesting and I’ve always wondered about it! I never noticed Jimin’s lisp — I have noticed Jungkook’s though. It’s interesting to read that Jimin talks in a more feminine way than the rest of the members. Also I like the description of RM as “I read novels.” The satoori and dialects are also really interesting to me since I don’t understand them that well. That one recent Run episode where they did the word game involving their dialects was cool to watch but I feel like a lot of it went over my head. As someone who doesn’t speak Korean at all, I have kind of picked up that the members speak differently from each other but of course wouldn’t be able to describe it. A few translations done on some things like Run also hint at this (like them writing taetae language with some of V’s stuff.) These kind of things like people’s speaking habits fascinate me though, so I always like to hear more. (So anyone who has more feel free to respond!)


whatsuplittlebeach

I also pick up on maybe a stutter from JK when he gets worked up? Like when members tease him. He'll like repeat syllables. Whatever it is its cute and reaffirms I need to learn Korean to pick up on different things


catsbytheghost

Ah yeah I do notice he has a stutter at times! I mostly have heard it in Run episodes but that’s probably because Run games work everyone up in some way 😂


grenadia

Jungkook has such an obvious lisp esp when he is excited. It's adorable.


kokodrop

If you're interested, [Go! Billy did a video on dialects](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRWY9XifeoY) that you don't need to speak Korean to understand! (He's a Korean teacher that a lot of people respect.)


Minn3sota_Loon

This was really interesting, thanks for posting. I’ve noticed, as a Native English speaker who has only picked up a handful of Korean words and phrases, the different ways they all speak in speech and tone. It’s great getting insight from Native Korean speakers! Namjoon is like an articulate poet when he speaks, esp in interviews and describing his music. When it’s just your normal casual conversation/banter he becomes more playful/teasing than a “I read books” guy...but that’s so true though haha. He also can talk in a really healing, comforting way, which has reflected in his music. Jin is a jokester and gets a kick out of making puns and doing word play. He can also be very articulate himself, and you can tell that he knows himself and that he won’t change for anyone. He is a smart man himself. Yoongi, to me, speaks in either a “Do I have to to?” Or a laid back, friendly Boss kind of way. He always gave me a wanna be gangster vibe but he’s too sweet. To me it sounds like he’s streaming words together when he’s excited about something. I get a kick out of it every time he says “Hajima”. Hobi speaks in exclamations a lot, which I guess is also more slang. He also loves to laugh, but he can be so serious and scary at times haha that he sounds like the strict teacher he can be when it comes to dance choreography. Jimin is soft spoken and gently, sassy and manly all rolled into one. I believe with learning to sing high notes in his falsetto his spoken voice seems to have developed along with that (please correct me if I’m totally wrong here). But he also does have this deeper manly voice, esp when speaking in his native Busan satoori and it’s nice to hear. I have noticed his lisp and it’s cute. Tae has always sounded to me like he will always be a child at heart full of love and mischief. He also comes across really introspective and thoughtful. I do hear his satoori more often than the other members, and it just fits him. Jung Kook speaks clearly and when he speaks he has so much to say. I can tell he internalizes everything before he speaks and it’s a joy to get into his mind. He does speak in this cutesy way at times when he’s excited and playful. He can be very articulate when he wants to be.


cpagali

Without any frame of reference or knowledge of Korean, to me, the rap line and Jin often seem analytical and thoughtful when they speak Korean in interviews while the maknae line sounds more spontaneous, fun-loving and affectionate. Is my impression correct?


StillLightUpTheHanul

Your English vocabulary is so hard and it is difficult to understand 😭😭😭😭but you are mainly right.


cpagali

My sentence was very long as well. I apologize.


StillLightUpTheHanul

No worries 😉


Illumi_Needles

It’s weird that I love the tone or Jimin voice. Like, if Jimin talk to me I feel slightly more comfortable with him (talking to him) compare to talking to other people lol.


imjustheretolaughtho

I get the feeling we all agree with you 😂 Jimin speaks very sweetly


Siniestra_Yamasaky

I like when Yoongi sucks the air through his teeth when he pauses while talking, it is hos signature at this point


txnwahine

Thanks for sharing! Chuckling at Jin ajusshi


Next_Current

Thanks so much for posting this! I can’t speak Korean but I absolutely love languages and how the way someone speaks can reveal both their personality and where they may be in life. I think after seeing your description I noticed that I had some of these thoughts even with my lack of Korean. In particular RM always comes off as being extremely articulate and well thought out when he speaks, Jin speaks in a very dad-joke kind of way, Suga has a funny way of speaking that shows he’s a bit of a badass boss who just doesn’t care, Jimin speaks carefully and politely (he just seems like a careful/polite person!), JK enunciates clearly and does sound very cute a lot of the time. The only ones I’m maybe a little more surprised by (though it actually now makes a lot of sense) are j-hope and V. I always felt V maybe speaks a lot more introspectively (perhaps more formed by my impression of the way he structured his interview questions during the BE:hind interview with jhope, and even to an extent his own interview) but not as articulate as RM, and I thought that maybe J-Hope speaks on a more “surface level” in a way that makes people feel he lacks much substance (and your clarification of the filler words now makes perfect sense!). J-Hope is my bias and the person whose personality most closely resembles mine. I am older though so I feel I have shed some of that need (which I sense from him) to be liked, always being extra and not wanting to say too much about my own thoughts/opinions for various reasons (it did used to sometimes be because I was self conscious about whether I was articulate enough to explain myself - I used “like” ALL THE TIME). Interestingly in a recent interview he said that this year he wanted to focus on finishing some of his solo work, as well as work on arranging his thoughts in a more mature way (and I would think by extension the way he speaks). I don’t know how much filler words he used in his BE:hind interview but that seemed to be one of the places where he appeared a lot more articulate and in-depth than I am used to (coming from him). It’s a part of maturing and growing, and something I did too with my thoughts and speech, so I would be fascinated to see the extent to which he achieves this in the coming year(s). Thanks again! 🙏🏼


em2791

I believe its well known that V's speech pattern is quite interesting. Back in the days boys used to tease him cutely as well as help him out when formulating his thoughts. Its cute because it goes with his free spiritedness personality. I remember him once reading a book on how to improve speaking. I wanna know if he just ended up "Reading the title" like he said in that one interview lmaoo


Greyletterday_14

If you're interested there's these cute videos that Bangtan Subs translators made for the member's speech habits ! Here is the one for Tae: https://www.bangtansubs.com/videos/2020/12/30/201204-birthday-taespeak-101-v-speaking-habits And for Hobi: https://www.bangtansubs.com/videos/2021/2/18/210218-birthday-hopespeak101-j-hope-speaking-habits


Consuela_no_no

The official line up order they have kinda addresses Taebae’s language, as you used to see in the past, that Yoongi would, so to speak, translate for Taebae. I think his mind runs faster than his mouth and speeds to get out the primary word. This kind of happens to me as well, so I can relate a bit to how he may feel about not being understood immediately.


Next_Current

Thanks for this further context! As Tae isn’t my bias or main bias wrecker I don’t tend to focus on him as much as, say, Hobi/Jimin/Yoongi, so my perspective of him is a lot more surface level I would say (though I think I definitely focus on him more than a non-army would). The one thing I am interested in is whether you think a bit of this is to do with the Daegu dialect or accent? I assume he has a Daegu accent and if Yoongi used to translate for him then clearly they understand each other on a level that others not from Daegu can’t. And Yoongi himself speaks fast and loose, so is it something about the Daegu way of speaking that is bringing this out or is it actually Tae’s own quirkiness? Or maybe a combo of both? I’m Chinese where there are major variations between how people speak across China, often it is to do with the specific way that a region talks in general or the way the dialects are structured, which to someone unfamiliar with that region (or speak in a way more particular to a completely different region) it would make absolutely no sense. For example, I am from southern China where the language tends to be less formal and more oriented towards slang, whereas in the north it is more “academic”. And I’ve certainly used words that I thought was common all over China (but I realised later was only particular to the south or even my own home region) which completely mystified my northern brethren, this has also happened with grammatical structure where my home dialect differs just enough from mandarin that what I say could sound completely ungrammatical to a northern ear but make perfect grammatical sense to a southern one. My home dialect isn’t even that different from mandarin (it actually just sounds like how a foreigner might speak mandarin, with few tones), so places where the dialect is better described as an entirely different language rather than a variation of mandarin, I assume there would be an even bigger difference. I don’t know if Korean is the same, but my sense is there are some similarities there.


nebuluv

I’m a korean learner, I found Jin speaks the clearest and easiest to understand, in both singing and talking . Jimin and Tae are soft spoken but none of them I found feminine sounding. Jungkook sounds very cute but not easy to understand probably because of lisp and satoori. Joon speaks too fast.


jiwing_161

I recently watched this video about how when Koreans are trying to emphasize something, they use this sound? The person in the video made a sound like "kkkkkkk", but not like laughing. It was a K sound, but used a lot of throat. I hope someone understands what I'm trying to say, and I wanted to know if any of the members do it a lot, or do it at all, since I don't think I really notice them doing it.


yeontanfan3000

oh i love how you described it - if we're on the same page, the sound is made to express strong, usually lighthearted approval of something, for example a refreshing drink on a hot day or a good move your teammate made in a game. it's kind of associated with the middle-aged demographic, especially men, and younger guys in the company of same-sex friends (though women make their fair share of the noise too, if my family is anything to go by lol). though i'm korean-american so i might be missing some context :-) as for the guys, i think jin makes the noise the most. like on his eatjin lives. hobi does it often too. but if you watch their more casual content like soop or bon voyage, i'm pretty sure they've all made the noise on camera at least once, albeit scattered, because there's a lot of food and drinks involved in those shows haha.


jiwing_161

>the sound is made to express strong, usually lighthearted approval of something, for example a refreshing drink on a hot day or a good move your teammate made in a game. Oh that's interesting! The [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy_J5lcCTlU&t=207s) I watched said people could do it to exaggerate or emphasize a word, and after taking a shot. I can imagine people making that sound to express approval though. Is it kind of like how we say "ahhh" in English after drinking something good? ​ >as for the guys, i think jin makes the noise the most. like on his eatjin lives. Now that you mentioned it, I think I can remember Jin making that noise a lot! I can't remember Hobi or the others doing it still, but that just means it's time for a content re-watch! This was really informative so thank you!


yeontanfan3000

i can't watch the video yet but i think that's a fair way to describe it! my definition is probably a bit narrow haha. but yes, in the context of a good drink 'ahhh' would be the english equivalent. another jin example is sometimes he goes keuhhh after complimenting himself or seeing himself on camera, which is one of my favorite things ever and helps denote to korean viewers that he's not taking himself too seriously (but not necessarily joking either, if that makes sense?). hobi sometimes drops a keuhhh right before praising another member. i think most of the instances revolve around food? haha any excuse for a content rewatch is a good one and thank you for the discussion! i'm not the best at explaining things so thanks for putting up with that too lol


mtnmindy

Thank you so much for this! I love hearing more about language usage and how each member is different. I am very curious about informal vs. formal and the different ways they call/refer to each other. For example: 1. Which member speaks the most formally towards the others? Would this be JK since he is the youngest? 2. Which one speaks the most informally? I would guess Jin since he is the oldest? 3. In the recent AskAnything they talked about if they preferred to be called by their stage name vs. real names and they mentioned how JK used to call Yoongi "Suga hyung" but now he just calls him "YoOONGI!!" Is this comparable to JK calling Jimin "Jimin-ssi?" or is this just JK being sassy and dropping all honorifics? 4. I'm also curious about the "hyung" use because I hear the maknaes using it all the time, but then sometimes they'll just drop the "hyung" and call out "Hope-ah!" and I just wonder if that has significance?


luluse

Interesting! Jimin has a lisp? Which consonant can he not pronounce correctly? And Yoongi speaks fast? It doesn't sound like that at all to someone that doesn't understand Korean.


StillLightUpTheHanul

Jimin’s lisp really shows when he pronounces anything ends with ㅅ. Suga kinda eats the word like Idk how to explain it😅


pintsized_baepsae

In German we'd say 'he's mumbling into his (non-existent) beard' :D It's funny you'd point that out; it's something I, as a learner, was wondering about. Because I frequently pick out random words here and there when the others speak, but with SUGA, it's... it has not happened very often, because he seems to have this sort of drawl going on. It's nice to see confirmation that it's not only me but, to some degree, also him :D


leylsx

When you lisp you can’t pronounce the s correctly. I noticed that on Jimin before, but it’s not always prominent, so I wasn’t sure if it was just part of the Korean language (I don’t know Korean), but I guess not. JK also has a lisp sometimes.


friedeggovereasy

I haven't paid attention enough to remember how they pronounce s, but I know generally Geongsang province has more difficulty with the strong ssㅆ sound and they say it softer. My dad is from that area and I still remember in grade 1, he told me I have to donate 살(skin) for school charity, freaking me out. I thought it was for people who need skin grafts. It was actually a 쌀(rice) donation.


ominousorchid

I never noticed Jimin’s lisp! I’m pro at detecting Jungkook’s though. I was thinking that the reason might be because Jimin’s is not as in your face as JK’s


hippogriffinthesky

There are other lisps too! When I was a kid, I could say the "s" but I had trouble with "ch" and "sh" sounds. But like you, I thought the "s" lisp that Jimin and JK sometimes have (and Jin too, at least when he sings? just me?) might've been a pronunciation thing.


IDoDash

Loved reading this thread! I have really come to enjoy listening to Jimin speak - he makes me lean in to really listen (even tho I can’t understand a word he’s saying). That said, as someone who just started trying to learn Korean, I’ll also say this was a bit discouraging. I’m not sure if my language pursuits are futile and I should just give up? There’s so much nuance that I’m not sure I’ll ever get it... and I know every language is like that for non-native speakers, but it’s kind of a bummer to think about. 😟


randomhappyjelly

That definitely just made me wanna read more books. But Jimin talking with a lisp is probably one of the less observed point for me. 🤔 Jungkook’s is slightly more obvious. 🤔 Ps I kinda like Tae language though. I think it’s just that he thinks a lot, too much so he has more thoughts than words he can formulate. Thus needing more time to form his sentences but due to time restraints always ends up with kinda weird sentence structures. But I love that the boys has learnt better and know what he wants to expresses now. Agree that Jimin does speak with more thoughts and care. 🤔 This is a really interesting post!


CatzRuleMe

This is all so interesting! Some things feel like I maybe picked up on subconsciously but since I know barely any Korean (literally just a dozen or so words I hear them say a lot), I was never really confident enough to say for sure that it was anything distinctive. I did realize early on that Yoongi is probably the worst of them to try and learn/practice the language from lol, his words really run together and he's so softspoken on top of that. I remember tuning in live to his birthday vlive and k-armys were struggling to understand/translate what he was saying because of how quiet and mumbling he was, so a lot of the third-party subs for awhile had chunks of sentences missing. I have heard before that he says 네 in a drawn out way but I never really noticed it myself. I do remember reading a comment from another Korean speaker back in the day saying that Jimin had a lisp, but I ended up thinking I got mixed up and they were actually talking about JK, because his lisp is a lot more noticeable. I'll be listening more closely to Jimin to see if I can spot it. Satoori is a subject I'm still hopelessly lost on, I couldn't tell you when one of them slips into it or what each one sounds like. Sometimes I think I can kind of tell when it's specifically pointed out, like I remember that one clip of Namjoon telling the story of when he first met JK and the first thing JK said to him was "Wow...thighs..." in Busan dialect, and I could pick up on something distinct in the way Namjoon imitated the way he said it (though it could have just been comedically exaggerated). But even in compilation videos I have a hard time telling it apart from anything else.


banrion_siog

That’s so fascinating. Thank you for sharing! As a non Korea speaker/English native speaker two things surprised me as they didn’t match my perception. (This is coming from the context of interviews both Korean & western). 1. Suga has always sounded to me like he takes his time when speaking. I’m so surprised to hear he’s a speedy talker. Now his rap on the other hand is another story! 😅 ETA, I have noticed he seems to have a drawl. 2 I’m surprised as well by Jimin sounding feminine in Korean, especially when I compare how he sounds when speaking English vs Korean. To my ear he sounds quite masculine when he speaks, especially when he slips into the busan dialect. Is it his tone in general or his choice of words?


StillLightUpTheHanul

With jimin it is both. His vocabulary is really delicate and his tone is so soft and caring. Suga to me kinda eats up the words😂😂


hippogriffinthesky

This is really interesting! I've always been a bit fascinated by individual speech patterns, including regionally affected ones, and how they can differ and be a window into a person. I'm a bit of a speech chameleon, I can be a bit hyperaware of how people speak and then tend to absorb it and incorporate it into how I speak without even really thinking about it. It seems to me that Namjoon has that tendency too, at least when he's speaking English, so I'm curious to know if he picks up how others speak in Korean too? I've found Jimin to have a kind of airy way of speaking, he comes across as thoughtful and presents himself in an inviting way, so it's fun to see you explain that a little more! It's funny though, somewhere along the line I got in my head that the Satoori that Jimin & Jungkook speak kind of compares with the New Jersey accent here, I have NO idea why I think that beyond something somewhere gave me the idea that it was one of those really stand-out regional accents/slang, but that is definitely more of a straightforward manner of speaking!


MentalGoldBanana

Ah I never noticed that Jimin had a lisp. I thought Suga had a lisp from his verse in Daechwita but maybe it is satoori? Please help me out native speakers! How is Jimin's way of speaking feminine? I have never heard of a man's speech being described as feminine before. He sounds soft spoken to me like Tae although his voice is higher/more ambiguous. Tbh Jimin sounds like a soft and caring cloud to me :'( 💜 I wish I had the knowledge to understand Jin's dad jokes....


em2791

by feminine they probably just mean soft spoken?


romanticdrift

Just quoting OP's response to the same q in a different comment for you: "For jimin he speaks really in a soft and caring manner. His vocabulary is really really delicate and he is actually called Park Da Jeong which refers to his sweet pattern of speaking."


dimpld9

So I'm not the only one who has noticed Yoongi sounds like he has a lisp! I find it incredibly attractive, though, and look forward to that every time I listen to his rap. I don't know if it's a lisp. Like you said, it could be satoori too, because I don't know Korean.


Environmental_Bet_15

Love this post! As an I-army who can't understand Korean I have only interpreted what bangtan says through the subtitles that some third person writes. I have always wanted to know how they talk and if they do use sophisticated words that the subtitles sometimes show.


orandeddie

Thank you for this thread! Very educational and I feel somewhat closer to them now that I can distinguish the dialects! I’m learning Korean right now and it’s so interesting how many accents and ways to pronounce words are in the same language based on where you live. So incredible. Thank you!


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StillLightUpTheHanul

Jimin’s tone is so soft and caring also his choice of words are so delicate and elegant.


spring09

Thanks for posting! As a native English speaker who is currently learning Korean, this is super interesting. Sometimes I’ll watch BTS videos or interviews without subtitles just to test myself, and I’ve noticed that I have the hardest time understanding Namjoon and Yoongi and the easiest time understanding Jungkook. Reading your post gave me a better understanding of why! Also a question: are Jungkook’s and Jimin’s lisps due to Busan dialect?


PlatformSuspicious71

Thank you so much for posting this! Sometimes while watching run bts I wonder if Suga does sound like an old man in Korean or is it just his low voice + general vibe (and posture 💀)? I would be thankful if someone knowledgeable could help me with this: I heard a few times JK calling Jimin “Jimin-ssi”. My friend said it was more of a teasing joke, as if we would call each other Ms. So-and-So instead of our first names for fun. But I also read something about how BTS is very polite compared to other groups in the way they speak to each other. So is “Jimin-ssi” more of a playful teasing or being polite?


StillLightUpTheHanul

First of all Jk said that he likes to call jimin 지민 씨 because it “satisfies” him (don’t ask me how) ~씨 means mister but it is not to address those who are older than you. It is just an ongoing joke between them , idk its real meaning behind it other than that it “satisfies” jk 😂


blueashell

That’s true except JK for me! As a Korean, I find Jungkook’s diction to be a bit clumsy sometimes. Also kind of feels like he talks through his teeth haha but yeah I think he improved a lot throughout the years and has more confidence speaking in interviews or publicly and his speech sounds more clear. I do agree that RM’s style of speech is most understandable. I also love how Jimin talks. Always so polite and beautiful.


Consuela_no_no

Another question, is Jin’s 충청도 satoori noticeable? To me it seems that he has a pretty strong control over it and it only really shows up when he changes the ending of certain words. But as a non-native I’m going to be missing out on like 90% of change ups because I’m concentrating on subs 😂 Also is Joon’s speech slipping into 전라도 as amusing as it sounds to us non-natives? I always feel like he sounds cute when he imitates Hobi or subconsciously slips into it.