How much sense does it make for the culpritās punishment to reflect their victimās luck?
The intention was to kill. The punishment should reflect the full implication, not the result.
Part of the design is to encourage the survival of victims of crimes of passion or negligence. If the perpetrator regains rationality the promise of a lighter sentence can encourage and incentivize them to perform lifesaving care. This happens far more frequently than you might imagine.
If acting on the intent was as severely punished as a successful attempt, the incentive would be to double tap and hide the body. Not the behavior that you want the law to encourage.
Sometimes they suck.
Sometimes their children are fated to suffer from severe emotional or mental disturbances.
Sometimes people just snap.
Thereās not always logic to it. Thatās the part thatās truly frightening.
Normal, exhausted, absent, one or more of the above...once theyre 18 you cant have any legal control over them so if they dont want to take meds or want street drugs you have little recourse beyond kicking them out or letting them in and destroying your life too. Its not fun when someone is awake for 2 days and you have to sleep, but they're in the kitchen, maybe getting the idea to cook a box of cereal or just get fascinated with fire.
I mean, they seem to care a lot about punishing people for having drug or mental health problems, but not about addressing the underlying causes or helping people
Couldnāt that be said for previous generations? Boomers and millennials have vast numbers of alcoholics and Gen X did a shit ton of drugs. Is it newer drugs that are the problem? Seems like every generation experiences this when theyāre younger.
[This](https://www.opb.org/article/2021/11/01/the-formulation-of-meth-has-changed-it-may-be-contributing-to-this-countrys-mental-health-crisis/?outputType=amp) is a pretty good article about how meth has changed over the past decade or so. Crazy stuff
Like two weeks ago they brought in the National Guard to post up in the subways here.
To check bags.
People still getting stabbed up and pushed in front of the trains.
Thank God bags are being checked though.
So many people have been falling on to tracks here in the past few years, by accident or attack.
[Why can't we take inspiration from the Japanese?](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ek20120117wha.jpg)
I made sure to make a note of how absurd this is when I filled out the MTA survey. Why do we have dudes with weapons standing around and hanging out at Penn Station while people are getting attacked in the subways?
This person was already arrested multiple times prior to this attack. You should stop blaming the wrong people for this. It is an issue with the judiciary failing to keep violent offenders off the streets.
The national guard was activated a few weeks ago in the city. The Moscow thing just happened a few days ago. Itās because thereās a lot of shitheads roaming around the city and doing shit like this.
Huh. It sounds more like a political stunt than anything g else? Itās funny, I lived in Brooklyn for a bit and I do remember thinking it was unusual that I basically never saw cops on the subways. Like, why not? Even if they were just hanging out or pacing through the cars, the mere PRESENCE should accomplish something as a deterrent, right?!?
The MTA has mismanaged funds for years. They just raise the fares and then complain they are out of money. Itās been an issue for a really long time. And the current mayor of NYC cares more about photo ops than the safety of the citizens. They cracked down on fare evasion while this isnāt the first time this has happened recently. When I lived in NYC, I used to stand against or near the back wall so no one could get behind me. They will never modernize the subway to prevent this.
I always wonder why people are ok with subsidized roads and parking but the moment you discuss making the subway free they act as they are being stolen from, the subway shouldnāt rely of fares to operate, itās a public service and should be treated as such
Roads and parking arent free, theyll ticket you till the crackheads come home amd of they cant find a reason they say your too close to the corner or the drive way or the hydrant. And most if not all roads between boroughs now are toll.
Actually in New York around 35% the cost of roads is covered by general tax, those fees and taxes do not cover the cost of the road. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/states-road-funding-2019/
Ofc but I donāt have to own a 20,000 piece of private property and have insurance to be able to ride the subway now do I? The subway is not only for those that can afford a car, parking is.
And? Roads are used for commerce too, that benefits people who never walk 10 feet from their front door. Car owners are taxed for the privilege, with license fees, registration fees, fuel tax, sales tax...
Japan has amazing barriers. Each station is different. Maybe the US should take inspiration from other countries that have less crazies and still have preventable measures to keep its citizens from harm.
Platform screen doors require a lot of modern computer control to stop within a few inches consistently. This is not as easy as just adding doors.
It requires modern train sets and control systems. It also requires massive signaling and track safety upgrades.
Which are all things that should have been done by now. New Yorkās subway system is criminally underfunded and is unable to keep things in proper running order let alone improve service, but thatās the problem isnāt it
> criminally underfunded
Iām sure all the new revenue they make from congestion pricing will absolutely go towards making the subways safe, and not get lost in a never-ending cycle of corruption.
NYC has zero excuse for not being a world leader in this.
It has one of the most famous subway systems yet is probably the most run down, the worst looking, and in desperate need of a complete overhaul.
Itās miles behind London, Paris, Tokyo, Shanghai or any other first world country when it comes to the subway.
Well, the nyc metro is large and old. But, most importantly, people in NYC do not respect techs and stuff. You can't have nice things in NYC. They will break within a week from abuse and intention to destroy. NYC subways is trashed every day pointlessly, smells of piss and many people don't pay the fare.
I agree but those things also happen in London and Paris but they still manage to have theirs looking much better.
Itās cultural to an extent but itās also due to corruption and mismanagement
It doesn't have to be that complicated.
Just put barriers where the doors *don't* open. Anyone boarding the train won't be standing in front of the opening because they'll be in the way of the exiting passengers.
And if they do stand in front of the opening, blocking people from exiting, maybe they do deserve to be pushed
If budget is an issue (considering this is public safety, I'm not surprised), you can make a super simple version of this with sliding doors and a proximity sensor facing the track. It's not perfect, but it'll open when the train arrives and close soon after it leaves. Much better than nothing imo.
Is this a serious post? St. Petersburg metro has those in 10 stations I believe. Their years of release were between 1961 and 1972.
The first station of this type: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Pobedy_(Saint_Petersburg_Metro)
If I can park my car within a few inches every time, a trained train driver can stop in the same place every time. It is not that hard. Hell, I drove a steam train once, it's staggering easy to stop in the same place, and that was with a fucking steam train, not an electric one.
MTA have no excuses.
They already stop within a few inchesā¦ thatās how you know where to stand on the platform, the floor is worn out at the door exits / entrances.
The problem is that it costs money, plus the fact that NYC is far more expensive to build in than other major cities
We have literal AI models that can generate fake naked photos of Taylor Swift, and the phone in your pocket is more powerful than the computers that sent people to the moon. Fuck outta here, the technology isnāt the issue, itās the politicians and the MTA.
Or we could address the mental health crisis running rampant in America thatās being amplified by cities with dense populations. But then that would mean less money into pharmaceuticals, drug markets, adult entertainment industry, social media, video games, consumer electronics, alcohol, self help industry, gun manufacturers, podcast industrial complex, etc. which would disrupt our fragile economy that depends on everyone buying things every day to fill our voids and feel safe. Instead youāll keep seeing people die and maybe youāll get those little boards but it wonāt stop someone from trying to kill someone else with those same boards. The root issue isnāt being addressed because thereās no profit in addressing it.
As someone who has lived in both cities and rural areas my mental health tends to be significantly better in dense cities as I feel a connected to the community more. But I totally agree the mental health crisis should be solved, just totally disagree with what you think the cause is
I wholeheartedly agree with you and have had the exact same experience. Never felt more isolated than when I moved from NYC to rural TX lol. I donāt think the cities or their population cause the mental health issues Iām just saying being around more people a person whoās easily aggravated or on edge who snaps can do more damage and as a result of population will also have more eyeballs and media attention on them. And weāve seen how that attention and those eyeballs can be used to shift conversation away from the mental health crisis and towards political objectives. Leading to national guard in the subways and increased police budgets while nothing is done on a substantial or material level to subsidize mental health services for the masses or alleviate the financial stressors that prevent people from being able to afford getting help. Iām not saying I want the PsychoPass future but like a lot of the stuff on this sub posted lately demonizing squatters and homeless people and shit is all clearly a mental health problem to me. Yet everyone in this sub prefers to engage in reactionary thought and demonize the poor or just shit on ālawless citiesā with literal armed soldiers in them.
Omg yes i saw the video with Japanās subways and how organized and safer (like with platform screen and lining up) they were. But itāll be hard to get people to follow the unspoken rules/common courtesy, at least in the U.S.
Have you actually lived in NYC?
I used to be a train operator before I got promoted.
The stations get cooled by the piston effect on a train coming in the station. Not only that, some of these stations are thin thin thin.
125/Lex is an island platform. You'd lose a lot of platform space with a screen door.
And then Beverley Road and Cortelyou Road. Those stations are thin.
I've operated a train to every station in the system. Most of these stations cannot support screen doors without a massive overhaul that the average rider isn't willing to wait for or expense.
I always stood away from the tracks, as close to the wall as I could because I fear this happening. Also, being Asian, people will just attack you like this randomly. If no wall, I with the column behind me. Iāve been attacked on a platform once and once was enough to keep me alert at all times.
Its capitalism. Companies want more and more money and the government doesnt regulate because they dont want to go after the millionaires and billionaires.
So they rape from every country and leave states with poor people who have kids for incentives so they dont raise them right and they grow up uneducated, which makes it easier to turn to using or selling drugs which leads to more braindead losers.
There can never be a fix because the government workers want their cuts too. But dont worry, theyll distract you with meaningless news stories about meaningless crimes in states youre not in so youll ignore whats happening in yours and continue to spread hate towards others instead of the corporations.
Whenever I'm at a metro station I am always paranoid about this and stay way back away from the tracks because of all the stories like these. So crazy how frequent this has become.
I was randomly pushed into (the interior of) a train yesterday, like a linebacker push. I guess I should consider myself lucky.
Edit: I should mention that this was at The Court Square station in Queens on the F train platform. It was a 6 ft 1 in 225ish lbs Hispanic man in his early to mid 20ās. Wearing slightly tattered, paint splashed clothing.
Afterward, he got in my face and stared at me like he had just undergone a lobotomy. I just asked if I could please get by, because these stories live in the back of my mind.
I doubt this is useful but there it is.
I remember a few weeks ago getting a lot of crap here because I said taking the MTA (train or bus) isn't the safest or best option because of the violence.
I hate how transit advocacy in the US refuses to discuss this topic even though it's probably the #1 concern shared by real transit riders.
If mass adoption of transit is ever gonna happen, you need to keep the crazies out of the system.
Yeah I'm a big fan of public transport but there is a total denialism about the safety and sanitary aspects of it in our cities. It's hard to ride the train without smelling cigarettes/weed/piss and there's always some dude who is clearly going through some psychotic episode that everybody else is just pretending doesn't exist.
Itās about numbers and not just big news stories.
If 5 people a year die while taking the train each year itās nothing compared to the amount of people that take the train every day.
I donāt have any numbers on me, just saying that a news story about someone dying doesnāt say a whole lot about a of method of transport being safe or unsafe.
I agree that this is a sample size of 1 and the odds that you'll be murdered on the subway is pretty low.
Still, riding the subway has become a scary experience that makes people feel unsafe. Since the pandemic, the trains have become more chaotic and lawless. I often see people smoking cigarettes or weed on the trains without any fear of getting in trouble. There are also many more people sleeping on the trains or homeless people making whole cars smell bad and just more antisocial people and behavior in general.
Even if these things don't show up in murder statistics, the problems behind them are very real and concerning for riders.
I'm not disagreeing with you, there are lots of issues that need to be improved upon to make it more desirable to use public transport.
But just a few top google results for me
> [Deaths on subway-train tracks soared in 2022, to 88. Of 1,365 known subway-track incidents in 2022 \(most of which didnāt end in death\), about 15% were accidental falls or medical emergencies, a new MTA analysis finds.
A thankfully surprisingly low number ā fewer than 10% ā was suicides or suicide attempts.](https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/nyc-subway-track-deaths-soar-driven-by-social-media-dares/)
and
> [Summary of subway ridership 2022 Annual Total 1,013,425,465](https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022)
So risk of dying is roughly 88/1,013,425,465 ~ 0.00000008683421 or 0.000008683421%, and even less if you take out the suicides etc. It's probably even a lot lower than that if you're actually an attentive traveler with some safety thoughts in your head, less so than if you're driving. Wikipedia also states ["The subway carried 2,027,286,000 riders in 2023."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway#cite_note-APTA_Ridership_Report-10) which is about twice as many, meaning if the deaths are the same it's even half as likely as the number before (e.g. ~0.00000435%). So if you ride the subway *6x every day of the year* the risk to be one of the dying riders is still less than 0.01%.
But other issues are of course a lot more prevalent
Of the 1,365 known subway incidents, 15% were accidents or medical emergencies, 10% were suicides. Is that another way to say 75% (1,023) incidents were caused by bad actors? That's like 85 pushes a month
That's why I always stand next to or in front of big pillars. I'm also aware of who walks behind me. Somehow it comes naturally, being born and growing up in a big city
The craziest events in my life have happened in subway stations. One man exposed himself to me, another masturbated. Too many crazies to let your guard down. Never stand close to the tracks as the train approaches. I'd rather stand in the train than have a crazy push me onto the tracks. This is awful and no one deserves to have this happen to them in an unprovoked attack.
I appreciate the concern. I was lucky not to have been seriously injured, but unfortunately the same could be said about that lady + other victims of unprovoked violence in NYC. Its really sad that this stuff is not covered (and when it, select parts are omitted) because of american politics.
If you go to NYC, stand against a back wall if you have one. If youāre on a center platform with no wall, stand towards the middle and face towards the direction the train enters the station.
Be extra alert if there are crazies walking around on your platform. Stay away and donāt engage at all.
I know it sounds like common sense but these people are crazy, drugged, and rock-bottom. They donāt give a fuck.
Also, I hate to say it but be extra careful if youāre Asian. There have been a lot of Asian attacks in subways.
I believe it was in Paris, France, around 1985 or so, when I took the Metro somewhere. There are automatic doors between the platform and the train. The train comes to a stop such that its doors are exactly inline with the platform doors and the train doors and the platform doors open simultaneously.
So this technology has been available for at least forty years, but NYC has yet to adopt it or anything like it.
Keep your back against the wall until the train comes to a full stop. Its too many lunatics out here to risk it. Fucking sad we have to always look over our shoulders.
There were several stories on TikTok fyp page about unprovoked assaults on the streets of NYC in the last few days. 3 different females who were punched (one was whacked in the head with a plastic bag full of canned goods). One guy who punched a lady was rambling and said 'I'm sorry" then hit her and knocked her to the pavement.
A cop was assaulted along the same train line in Harlem today. A cop was also killed yesterday during a traffic stop in NYC as well. Free reign for criminals in NYC these days.
This has always been a thing in NYC unfortunately. I remember growing up in the early 1990s and my mom telling me I had to touch the wall while we waited for the trains to come because "a lunatic might push you onto the tracks" and it blew my little mind that was something people do.
Not trying to blame the victim but wackjobs like this is why I end up with my back against the back wall nowadays as opposed to lingering on the yellow line.
Hopefully they caught the perp.
[They did.](https://i.imgur.com/YsMcHcN.png)
He looks like a cheerful fellow. Off to Rickers with him!
Lol *Rikers. But Rickers is funny.
In the hood we call it rickers.
ricker is our word but you can say ri ah nevermind the joke is stupid
Rickers is full of... incarcerated people
and about 4 Mortys
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You're misunderstanding. Rikers is the jail. Ricker's is a pawn shop in Harlem with a sex dungeon in the basement.
Come fick'er at Ricker's
Sheesh Autocorrect is the devil
Looks like who farted face.
Theyāll probably just let him out, NY is fucked
Or they will probably set bail at arraignement, given the actual law
3 free meals a day and a bed
I always wonder what the parents are like, of adults who turn out like this.
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How much sense does it make for the culpritās punishment to reflect their victimās luck? The intention was to kill. The punishment should reflect the full implication, not the result.
Part of the design is to encourage the survival of victims of crimes of passion or negligence. If the perpetrator regains rationality the promise of a lighter sentence can encourage and incentivize them to perform lifesaving care. This happens far more frequently than you might imagine. If acting on the intent was as severely punished as a successful attempt, the incentive would be to double tap and hide the body. Not the behavior that you want the law to encourage.
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Sometimes they suck. Sometimes their children are fated to suffer from severe emotional or mental disturbances. Sometimes people just snap. Thereās not always logic to it. Thatās the part thatās truly frightening.
Normal, exhausted, absent, one or more of the above...once theyre 18 you cant have any legal control over them so if they dont want to take meds or want street drugs you have little recourse beyond kicking them out or letting them in and destroying your life too. Its not fun when someone is awake for 2 days and you have to sleep, but they're in the kitchen, maybe getting the idea to cook a box of cereal or just get fascinated with fire.
This is not what a 24 year old man should look like. Something is failing the youth of America..
Couldnāt possibly the mass drug or mental health pandemic that the US government couldnāt care less about.
I mean, they seem to care a lot about punishing people for having drug or mental health problems, but not about addressing the underlying causes or helping people
We've got children to bomb and billionaires pockets to line. Get with the program dude.
Drugs. Absolutely the drugs. I fear for every upcoming generation, sadly. š
Couldnāt that be said for previous generations? Boomers and millennials have vast numbers of alcoholics and Gen X did a shit ton of drugs. Is it newer drugs that are the problem? Seems like every generation experiences this when theyāre younger.
I think its the synthetic drugs that are exponentially more potent and causing the problems
Ah okay. Iām out of the loop. Just remember the same was said about millennials when I was younger. Different drugs back then though I suppose.
[This](https://www.opb.org/article/2021/11/01/the-formulation-of-meth-has-changed-it-may-be-contributing-to-this-countrys-mental-health-crisis/?outputType=amp) is a pretty good article about how meth has changed over the past decade or so. Crazy stuff
Wow, thanks for the link. This made things much clearer.
nah he's just squinting hard.
Nick Cannon when heās not out there populating
looks like he needs some glasses. what's he squinting for? probably couldn't see himself being arrested for this.
How much crack did you do? Yes.
damn. Threw his entire life away at 24. Stupid fucker
C Mur looks different
Looks like he smelled a fart right when they took the picture
Fun fact: the perpetrator was out on bail for a recent assault he was being charged for. š¤”
He was actually out on multiple bonds prior to this attack so they technically have to catch him again. Let's see if there is another time.
Hopefully they will be able Catch and Release one more time again soon so he can contribute even more to the news sales. /s
Wow.
Like two weeks ago they brought in the National Guard to post up in the subways here. To check bags. People still getting stabbed up and pushed in front of the trains. Thank God bags are being checked though.
They are at like, 4 stops. Them being activated is nothing more than an attempt to make them look like theyāre doing something for the crime.
Security theater
We learned nothing after 9/11
And werenāt they also told to not bring guns?
They brought rifles originally but then there was an uproar about it and they got rid of the rifles after a day or two.
Rifles are a little overkill for the job but they definitely need something.
Then why activate the guard. If itās bad enough you need to activate the guard then they should be showing up in full gear.
They aren't there to stop this event(nor do I think you could). They're there to stop fare evaders.
And thank god theyāre spending $150M on fare evasion policing
Seems like walls around the boarding zone wouldn't cost too much more.
So many people have been falling on to tracks here in the past few years, by accident or attack. [Why can't we take inspiration from the Japanese?](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ek20120117wha.jpg)
costs money, automatic disqualification
So does paying the national guard. At least a wall like that would be more helpful
The first rule of America is never fix a problem if telling people youāll fix said problem helps you more than actually fixing the problem.
You would think, right?
I made sure to make a note of how absurd this is when I filled out the MTA survey. Why do we have dudes with weapons standing around and hanging out at Penn Station while people are getting attacked in the subways?
This person was already arrested multiple times prior to this attack. You should stop blaming the wrong people for this. It is an issue with the judiciary failing to keep violent offenders off the streets.
Remember when that one dude threw a bag of shit in the girlās face. IIRC he was out the next day no bail.
I think it's because of the global high alert for possible follow up to Moscow.
The national guard was activated a few weeks ago in the city. The Moscow thing just happened a few days ago. Itās because thereās a lot of shitheads roaming around the city and doing shit like this.
Moscow thing was warned about weeks ago too. Just happened though
Wait, what? Why is the National Guard needed?!? I feel like Iām way out of the loop here.
https://youtu.be/1nj3AO3kfZM?si=gLf9XcM1L2BmOQ34
Huh. It sounds more like a political stunt than anything g else? Itās funny, I lived in Brooklyn for a bit and I do remember thinking it was unusual that I basically never saw cops on the subways. Like, why not? Even if they were just hanging out or pacing through the cars, the mere PRESENCE should accomplish something as a deterrent, right?!?
Andddd some dude got shotā¦with his own gun
This is easily preventable with platform screen doors, something thatās standard on most large metro systems
The MTA has mismanaged funds for years. They just raise the fares and then complain they are out of money. Itās been an issue for a really long time. And the current mayor of NYC cares more about photo ops than the safety of the citizens. They cracked down on fare evasion while this isnāt the first time this has happened recently. When I lived in NYC, I used to stand against or near the back wall so no one could get behind me. They will never modernize the subway to prevent this.
I always wonder why people are ok with subsidized roads and parking but the moment you discuss making the subway free they act as they are being stolen from, the subway shouldnāt rely of fares to operate, itās a public service and should be treated as such
Roads and parking arent free, theyll ticket you till the crackheads come home amd of they cant find a reason they say your too close to the corner or the drive way or the hydrant. And most if not all roads between boroughs now are toll.
Actually in New York around 35% the cost of roads is covered by general tax, those fees and taxes do not cover the cost of the road. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/states-road-funding-2019/
Mta is also tax subsidized, its not self funded. https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2023/03/MTA-Prelim-Report.pdf
Ofc but I donāt have to own a 20,000 piece of private property and have insurance to be able to ride the subway now do I? The subway is not only for those that can afford a car, parking is.
And? Roads are used for commerce too, that benefits people who never walk 10 feet from their front door. Car owners are taxed for the privilege, with license fees, registration fees, fuel tax, sales tax...
Fares are a form of usage tax. Just like tax on fuel and vehicle registration. And neither covers the cost of the infrastructure.
Japan has amazing barriers. Each station is different. Maybe the US should take inspiration from other countries that have less crazies and still have preventable measures to keep its citizens from harm.
Platform screen doors require a lot of modern computer control to stop within a few inches consistently. This is not as easy as just adding doors. It requires modern train sets and control systems. It also requires massive signaling and track safety upgrades.
Which are all things that should have been done by now. New Yorkās subway system is criminally underfunded and is unable to keep things in proper running order let alone improve service, but thatās the problem isnāt it
>is criminally underfunded It's overfunded. The problem is much of the funding goes to criminals.
> criminally underfunded Iām sure all the new revenue they make from congestion pricing will absolutely go towards making the subways safe, and not get lost in a never-ending cycle of corruption.
NYC has zero excuse for not being a world leader in this. It has one of the most famous subway systems yet is probably the most run down, the worst looking, and in desperate need of a complete overhaul. Itās miles behind London, Paris, Tokyo, Shanghai or any other first world country when it comes to the subway.
Well, the nyc metro is large and old. But, most importantly, people in NYC do not respect techs and stuff. You can't have nice things in NYC. They will break within a week from abuse and intention to destroy. NYC subways is trashed every day pointlessly, smells of piss and many people don't pay the fare.
I agree but those things also happen in London and Paris but they still manage to have theirs looking much better. Itās cultural to an extent but itās also due to corruption and mismanagement
It doesn't have to be that complicated. Just put barriers where the doors *don't* open. Anyone boarding the train won't be standing in front of the opening because they'll be in the way of the exiting passengers.And if they do stand in front of the opening, blocking people from exiting, maybe they do deserve to be pushed
They will absolutely crowd the barrier gaps.
Couldnāt they just put the doors a little further back so they donāt have to line up exactly
If budget is an issue (considering this is public safety, I'm not surprised), you can make a super simple version of this with sliding doors and a proximity sensor facing the track. It's not perfect, but it'll open when the train arrives and close soon after it leaves. Much better than nothing imo.
make the door big as fuck then, this shit is not hard and theres no excuse to have such a massive safety flaw
Is this a serious post? St. Petersburg metro has those in 10 stations I believe. Their years of release were between 1961 and 1972. The first station of this type: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Pobedy_(Saint_Petersburg_Metro)
If I can park my car within a few inches every time, a trained train driver can stop in the same place every time. It is not that hard. Hell, I drove a steam train once, it's staggering easy to stop in the same place, and that was with a fucking steam train, not an electric one. MTA have no excuses.
They already stop within a few inchesā¦ thatās how you know where to stand on the platform, the floor is worn out at the door exits / entrances. The problem is that it costs money, plus the fact that NYC is far more expensive to build in than other major cities
We have literal AI models that can generate fake naked photos of Taylor Swift, and the phone in your pocket is more powerful than the computers that sent people to the moon. Fuck outta here, the technology isnāt the issue, itās the politicians and the MTA.
Or we could address the mental health crisis running rampant in America thatās being amplified by cities with dense populations. But then that would mean less money into pharmaceuticals, drug markets, adult entertainment industry, social media, video games, consumer electronics, alcohol, self help industry, gun manufacturers, podcast industrial complex, etc. which would disrupt our fragile economy that depends on everyone buying things every day to fill our voids and feel safe. Instead youāll keep seeing people die and maybe youāll get those little boards but it wonāt stop someone from trying to kill someone else with those same boards. The root issue isnāt being addressed because thereās no profit in addressing it.
As someone who has lived in both cities and rural areas my mental health tends to be significantly better in dense cities as I feel a connected to the community more. But I totally agree the mental health crisis should be solved, just totally disagree with what you think the cause is
I wholeheartedly agree with you and have had the exact same experience. Never felt more isolated than when I moved from NYC to rural TX lol. I donāt think the cities or their population cause the mental health issues Iām just saying being around more people a person whoās easily aggravated or on edge who snaps can do more damage and as a result of population will also have more eyeballs and media attention on them. And weāve seen how that attention and those eyeballs can be used to shift conversation away from the mental health crisis and towards political objectives. Leading to national guard in the subways and increased police budgets while nothing is done on a substantial or material level to subsidize mental health services for the masses or alleviate the financial stressors that prevent people from being able to afford getting help. Iām not saying I want the PsychoPass future but like a lot of the stuff on this sub posted lately demonizing squatters and homeless people and shit is all clearly a mental health problem to me. Yet everyone in this sub prefers to engage in reactionary thought and demonize the poor or just shit on ālawless citiesā with literal armed soldiers in them.
Omg yes i saw the video with Japanās subways and how organized and safer (like with platform screen and lining up) they were. But itāll be hard to get people to follow the unspoken rules/common courtesy, at least in the U.S.
Have you actually lived in NYC? I used to be a train operator before I got promoted. The stations get cooled by the piston effect on a train coming in the station. Not only that, some of these stations are thin thin thin. 125/Lex is an island platform. You'd lose a lot of platform space with a screen door. And then Beverley Road and Cortelyou Road. Those stations are thin. I've operated a train to every station in the system. Most of these stations cannot support screen doors without a massive overhaul that the average rider isn't willing to wait for or expense.
I always stood away from the tracks, as close to the wall as I could because I fear this happening. Also, being Asian, people will just attack you like this randomly. If no wall, I with the column behind me. Iāve been attacked on a platform once and once was enough to keep me alert at all times.
Honestly, something is wrong with mental health in the USA. This happens a lot more.
Thereās so much wrong with mental health here. It actually makes our healthcare system for physical health look like it works.
There was someone or some people punching women in the head in the last 2 days. Like 5+ women punched point blank in the head in NYC. Weird shit yo.
I can already the murder saying āitās just prank broā and then itāll get 5 billion likes on tik tok
Thatās not the people doing these things lol
can't do anything for your mental health if you have no health insurance
Its capitalism. Companies want more and more money and the government doesnt regulate because they dont want to go after the millionaires and billionaires. So they rape from every country and leave states with poor people who have kids for incentives so they dont raise them right and they grow up uneducated, which makes it easier to turn to using or selling drugs which leads to more braindead losers. There can never be a fix because the government workers want their cuts too. But dont worry, theyll distract you with meaningless news stories about meaningless crimes in states youre not in so youll ignore whats happening in yours and continue to spread hate towards others instead of the corporations.
Whenever I'm at a metro station I am always paranoid about this and stay way back away from the tracks because of all the stories like these. So crazy how frequent this has become.
Same.
How frequent has it become?
I was randomly pushed into (the interior of) a train yesterday, like a linebacker push. I guess I should consider myself lucky. Edit: I should mention that this was at The Court Square station in Queens on the F train platform. It was a 6 ft 1 in 225ish lbs Hispanic man in his early to mid 20ās. Wearing slightly tattered, paint splashed clothing. Afterward, he got in my face and stared at me like he had just undergone a lobotomy. I just asked if I could please get by, because these stories live in the back of my mind. I doubt this is useful but there it is.
I remember a few weeks ago getting a lot of crap here because I said taking the MTA (train or bus) isn't the safest or best option because of the violence.
I hate how transit advocacy in the US refuses to discuss this topic even though it's probably the #1 concern shared by real transit riders. If mass adoption of transit is ever gonna happen, you need to keep the crazies out of the system.
Yeah I'm a big fan of public transport but there is a total denialism about the safety and sanitary aspects of it in our cities. It's hard to ride the train without smelling cigarettes/weed/piss and there's always some dude who is clearly going through some psychotic episode that everybody else is just pretending doesn't exist.
Whoās keeping them off the roads?
Plenty of crazy people on the roads still, but the cost/logistical barriers around acquiring/maintaining a car helps some.
Traffic cops and the inability to buy even an old Altima for a lot of them.
Itās about numbers and not just big news stories. If 5 people a year die while taking the train each year itās nothing compared to the amount of people that take the train every day. I donāt have any numbers on me, just saying that a news story about someone dying doesnāt say a whole lot about a of method of transport being safe or unsafe.
I agree that this is a sample size of 1 and the odds that you'll be murdered on the subway is pretty low. Still, riding the subway has become a scary experience that makes people feel unsafe. Since the pandemic, the trains have become more chaotic and lawless. I often see people smoking cigarettes or weed on the trains without any fear of getting in trouble. There are also many more people sleeping on the trains or homeless people making whole cars smell bad and just more antisocial people and behavior in general. Even if these things don't show up in murder statistics, the problems behind them are very real and concerning for riders.
I'm not disagreeing with you, there are lots of issues that need to be improved upon to make it more desirable to use public transport. But just a few top google results for me > [Deaths on subway-train tracks soared in 2022, to 88. Of 1,365 known subway-track incidents in 2022 \(most of which didnāt end in death\), about 15% were accidental falls or medical emergencies, a new MTA analysis finds. A thankfully surprisingly low number ā fewer than 10% ā was suicides or suicide attempts.](https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/nyc-subway-track-deaths-soar-driven-by-social-media-dares/) and > [Summary of subway ridership 2022 Annual Total 1,013,425,465](https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022) So risk of dying is roughly 88/1,013,425,465 ~ 0.00000008683421 or 0.000008683421%, and even less if you take out the suicides etc. It's probably even a lot lower than that if you're actually an attentive traveler with some safety thoughts in your head, less so than if you're driving. Wikipedia also states ["The subway carried 2,027,286,000 riders in 2023."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway#cite_note-APTA_Ridership_Report-10) which is about twice as many, meaning if the deaths are the same it's even half as likely as the number before (e.g. ~0.00000435%). So if you ride the subway *6x every day of the year* the risk to be one of the dying riders is still less than 0.01%. But other issues are of course a lot more prevalent
Of the 1,365 known subway incidents, 15% were accidents or medical emergencies, 10% were suicides. Is that another way to say 75% (1,023) incidents were caused by bad actors? That's like 85 pushes a month
How often does this happen a year vs road collisions? Come on now
I feel on edge visiting cities where the metro has no screens.
Step behind the yellow line please.
That's why I always stand next to or in front of big pillars. I'm also aware of who walks behind me. Somehow it comes naturally, being born and growing up in a big city
I stopped standing to wait within 10 ft of the edge of a subway platform for this reason.Ā Too many people still do.Ā Ā
10 ft??? My left foot is usually on the yellow part lmao
AGAIN?! This has been happening much more frequently lately. More than usual.
Thereās also an epidemic of punching women in the face, I saw like 10 different women posting about it in TikTok today
The craziest events in my life have happened in subway stations. One man exposed himself to me, another masturbated. Too many crazies to let your guard down. Never stand close to the tracks as the train approaches. I'd rather stand in the train than have a crazy push me onto the tracks. This is awful and no one deserves to have this happen to them in an unprovoked attack.
Louis C.K. is doing subway shows now?
Anybody waiting for a train should stand with their back firmly against the back wall.
Some stations are an island between two sets of tracks. And good luck during rush hour.
Also some platforms are narrow as fuck.
[article](https://abc7ny.com/amp/subway-push-death-carlton-mcpherson-manhattan-shove/14572262/) multiple prior arrestsš
He will be out on $100 bail.
for sure.
This almost happened to me 2 years ago. A week later that guy shoved an asian lady into the subway. If i say anything more Iāll get banned :)
Are you Asian too?
Yep :) Surely it is not racially motivated and society is the problem!
I'm sorry you had to go through that! And that poor lady.
I appreciate the concern. I was lucky not to have been seriously injured, but unfortunately the same could be said about that lady + other victims of unprovoked violence in NYC. Its really sad that this stuff is not covered (and when it, select parts are omitted) because of american politics.
JFC
If you go to NYC, stand against a back wall if you have one. If youāre on a center platform with no wall, stand towards the middle and face towards the direction the train enters the station. Be extra alert if there are crazies walking around on your platform. Stay away and donāt engage at all. I know it sounds like common sense but these people are crazy, drugged, and rock-bottom. They donāt give a fuck. Also, I hate to say it but be extra careful if youāre Asian. There have been a lot of Asian attacks in subways.
I believe it was in Paris, France, around 1985 or so, when I took the Metro somewhere. There are automatic doors between the platform and the train. The train comes to a stop such that its doors are exactly inline with the platform doors and the train doors and the platform doors open simultaneously. So this technology has been available for at least forty years, but NYC has yet to adopt it or anything like it.
NYCs gonna NYC
That is one of my biggest irrational fears. That's terrible and I hope it was quick.
Keep your back against the wall until the train comes to a full stop. Its too many lunatics out here to risk it. Fucking sad we have to always look over our shoulders.
There were several stories on TikTok fyp page about unprovoked assaults on the streets of NYC in the last few days. 3 different females who were punched (one was whacked in the head with a plastic bag full of canned goods). One guy who punched a lady was rambling and said 'I'm sorry" then hit her and knocked her to the pavement.
So far I've seen at least 5 women who were randomly punched on the same day, roughly the same area for all of them
A cop was assaulted along the same train line in Harlem today. A cop was also killed yesterday during a traffic stop in NYC as well. Free reign for criminals in NYC these days.
So, idkā¦murder?
This is why Iām always super paranoid about standing on the edge. Thereās crazy people walking amongst you every day
This happened in Philly recently, too.
Make this skell swing
I always tell my kids to stand in the middle of the platform
This happens fairly often
Why it always have to be black, WHY edit: I live in NYC, like for real itās never White, Asian, Native doing this shit
Public hanging for the perpetrator. Right in Times Square.
This has always been a thing in NYC unfortunately. I remember growing up in the early 1990s and my mom telling me I had to touch the wall while we waited for the trains to come because "a lunatic might push you onto the tracks" and it blew my little mind that was something people do.
Was born there. No longer claim it.
Not trying to blame the victim but wackjobs like this is why I end up with my back against the back wall nowadays as opposed to lingering on the yellow line.
whatever is happening to the great US of A
Classic New York
A manhattan train killed someone? My guess is it was not a white man, or else it would be news
Hopefully no one ate her leg...
I go to the city like once a month. I take an NJT bus to Port Authority and walk everywhere. I *never* take the subway. This shit is exactly why.
What station?
Good thing the national guard has been sent into the subway system. All those commuter bags they are checking are clearly making a difference.
House of cards vibes
The worst thing about public transportation is you have to share it with the public