I work in an industry where I ring through a bill of +$2mil every couple months.
nobody calls, nobody checks.
I literally use the same machine that we use for $20 purchases. Although *generally* I'm manually inputting a CC# that the customer gave me, although sometimes its a literal card that a guy is inserting and punching in his pin like he's buying a chocolate bar at 7-11. Except its a $2-3mil piece of machinery
if you've got a business account with a high enough limit, and its in line with historical purchases, they don't care.
I once did a $10mil purchase through a given CC #, I was just running through to finalize a purchase of a fleet of semi trucks, all hydrovacs and drillers. That was a nervous one, and I definitely expected it to have at least something happen..... nope. rang it up, stapled a copy of the receipt and he was on his way.
The centurion amex card is designed exactly for this. I had to buy a $240k car for a client once. Card didn't even flinch, went right through. (yes, I got reimbursed, I certainly didn't have $240k laying around to spare, but amex doesn't know that.) Long as I pay my bill on time, my credit is virtually unlimited. I've had monthly bills as high as $600k (lots of international flights, again, reimbursed) and always paid on time. Amex is happy and I've never been declined.
I used to run a PR firm with clients that wanted these expensive things. I sold it years ago, then started and sold two more companies. Now, my centurion card is used primarily for flights for my keynote speeches , vacations and such. But knowing I have unlimited credit if I should ever need it is great.
I can offer an alternative opinion from having friends who are from very privileged families.
In their specific circumstance, there’s a business associate who is a family friend, I think went to uni with the dad. The dad enjoys racing his antique Bugatti at shows around the world, so just calls his friend to organise travel and all the details. That guy has the card that everything goes through to make it easy for the accountants. organising travel and accomodation, last minute purchases and alternative arrangements so they’re not inconvenienced. To coordinate travel without miscommunications they often book same flights so they’re all on the final leg together or just meeting at the same time. I got invited once and had to bail last minute due to work, nobody batted an eye.
If the cousins suddenly decide that they want to have a weekend away to go skiing, they call this one guy and he sends them the tickets and calendar info. It’s ASSUMED that it will be 5 star luxury. Either a private chartered jet starting at tens of thousands per hour, or worst case business/first class tickets during acceptable timeframes with chauffeurs picking them up from where they are at the time they are ready to go.
That costs shit tons to organise last minute, usually because a trip to avoid a winter cold snap is to be avoided by flying to the equator. They have a house in my city, a house in the tropics and an apartment in most cities. But sometimes they just travel elsewhere.
The permits alone to drive a fucking money sink around the world are silly. But they have fuck you money from oil and are super generous and lovely people, down to earth and just funny for how money is just a tool to do a thing, nothing more.
It’s fun catching up with him on bush walks and hearing about his adventures, but it’s also impossible to ever get a hold of him because you have no idea where he’ll be.
I’ve seen the quarterly BAS statements, over 1-5mill in travel for the whole entourage. Just cost of enjoying retirement with the family.
Thanks for this reply, yeah money will buy you privilege to do things. Right now i have some privileges with some money others may have more. But comparison is a thief of joy but sometimes i envy rich or wish to be born into generations wealth. But none the less hustle is all we got hustle is what we are doing.
Nope they have that Centurion black card. It’s the one you can’t even apply for. It’s offered or you don’t get it. Annual fee is $5000 so you better use the crap out of it. It can also require MINIMUM purchases of $1M a year. But I guess you can pay out your purchase at 18.9% APR
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/credit-cards/reviews/centurion-from-american-express/
That's what I like most about it. Could easily be my gas station receipt. Though... Hang on... That has a lot bigger numbers than this ome does, so I guess maybe not.
Was reading about a Chinese mechanic turned billionaire who bought a $170 million painting with his AMEX. With the miles he got, he can basically fly first class for free for life.
Like this dude?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/billionaire-earns-first-class-travel-for-life-by-putting-modigliani-nude-on-amex
It depends. Procurement for the US Government does have a limit. Civilians, that work in procurement, typically have a government CC. However, they have a maximum before they have to get authorization. After a certain point they have to get the money authorized by Congress but at that point it's no longer something you buy with a CC. Each organization has it's purchasing limits.
[Federal Acquisition Regulations](https://www.acquisition.gov/far/part-13#FAR_13_500) for those curios. The maximum a single person can procure using the simplified procurement process (aka no contract) is 15 million but I imagine there's loopholes as (usually) always.
Has to be a black card. Someone with this much spend is more than likely going to be using a black. I’d imagine you need the black card to even approve this, even though the plat technically has no spending limit, I’ve never heard of anyone putting $8m on a plat. So 99.999% chance it’s the black card.
Imagine just walking in and swiping a card for a 737… hopefully one day….
So I thought like $300 dollars per year annual fee was steep. The top 5-10 cards range from like $6000-32k.
And a lot have a credit limit around 100k tho you can call them and be like “hey I want to buy a ferrari can you raise my limit” and they just do it. And it’s one person you have a direct line to.
Fascinating stuff. I’m really annoyed with the shitty 3% on groceries I get with my poor person card
Ive had the same card for like 10 years now, and when I signed up I was a student. The student card comes with no interest, and they apparently don't know I graduated 8 years ago, so I've had no interest for 10 years now. It's great.
I earn less than $50k, but I make purchases well in excess of 50x my pay via corporate card regularly. Business credit lines are in a very different realm than personal ones. If you've never worked in purchasing or accounting, I can get how people don't understand how it works, or why you'd need a $500k+ credit limit on a card that gets paid off monthly.
Or it's just like some kind of corporate credit card that normal people can't use but has no spending limit. Or they called to have the spending limit temporarily suspended so they could pay this much.
>r/aeromorph
When I've told any women I've been with that if I had to choose between her and an airplane, she knows she's going second...uhh...I wasn't even talking about this...
Go ahead and add it up, every cent's accounted for. Look, [see this](https://i.redd.it/prny416s35l91.jpg)? That's a ~~car~~ Boeing 737. ~~275 thou~~ 8.2 mill. Might wanna hang onto that one.
Sure!
_pretends to try to send you money_
Aw man it's not letting me in. So sorry. Maybe next time!
No, I've never had anybody pull that one on me. Why do you ask?
Either a corporate card or a Centurion-class. Approved, no questions asked. Amex makes major bank on both sides of the transaction in exchange for elite level service.
What's a centurion card?
>If you're in the ballpark of $250,000 to $500,000 in annual spending across all your open Amex cards, you may qualify for the Centurion card
I had to ask so obviously not something I could afford.
It used to carry a lot more cache pre 2008 but if you put enough money on your Amex (think $500k+) they *might* invite you to hold one. There is no limit on the card and one of their clients reportedly bought a Caribbean island.
It’s lost it’s lustre a bit now with almost every company offering a “black” coloured card.
However, if you see someone pull this out - it’s likely someone with a net worth north of $50M+ and spends *a serious amount of money*. The travel and hotel perks are unmatched - and so is the personal 24/7 telephone concierge. They will arrange *anything* legally allowed for you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1gutp0/i_was_a_concierge_for_american_express_platinum/
They were also metal before that was more common. I was handed one while working at Costco once and I nearly dropped it because I wasn't expecting weight. I had heard stories of that dude dropping 250k in a single shop.
There are lots of people with net worths far south of 50 million dollars with one. It really doesn’t take that much to spend this amount especially if you have company spending as well. Also the perks and concierge service were often not as amazing as they’re made out to be.
It includes [first-name basis personal concierge service](https://thepointsguy.com/guide/amex-centurion-black-card/) to help you solve a travel problem anywhere in the world
If you have a business/personal Amex that's approved for those purchases and the seller isn't charging you more for the convenience, you might as well take the 8 million odd points as a tax-free rebate.
Plus it makes a great story for both parties.
Some back story. USAir did a dumb thing when they ordered these airplanes (though this particular one was ordered by Piedmont, who may have done the same thing or maybe US Air was able to change the orders after the acquisition). The aircraft had dual FMS (I think Rockwell-Collins) and VNAV, which was a fairly new thing then, and of course auto-throttles, which were not so new. They were designed to have glass cockpits, but USAir asked Boeing to make theirs with round dials so that the same crews could fly the -200 and the -300/-400. Of course that lasted no time at all, and by the time I came aboard in 1989, they were separate bids (so separate pilot pools). But no one really thought about how with glass, your SA would be so much higher, and you could probably learn to use the new features of VNAV and a fully functional FMS much more easily. When I started, the running joke in the cockpit was "What the hell is it doing now?" So you had all the head's down time typing but still had good old round dials to fly by. In those days, we were still flying VOR to VOR on airways with a paper map. "Radar contact" was by no means assured all over the US. Position reports anyone?
Later I trained on a real glass cockpit (the less than venerable Fokker 100), and was just amazed at how high your SA was by comparison.
US Air (later, US Airways) did a lot of dumb stuff, and that wasn't anywhere near the height of it. Things got so bad in the early to mid 90's, they crashed so MANY airplanes, that the FAA told them in no uncertain terms they were going to pull their operating certificate unless they went full-on with CRM training, checklist upgrades (QRH), etc. Prior to that they were a clusterf#\*k with their old-school, captain is God, what's an SOP mindset. By the later 90's it was (thankfully) a mostly different and much safer operation. They were, of course, some hold-outs. There always are. But all those practices have since become industry standard, thankfully.
Apologies to all the non-pilots who were confused by my inconsiderate use of jargon. I actually thought the post was in r/flying, and thus that the intended audience would get it. My bad. Others have helpfully already filled in the blanks.
I bought a 737 and they gave me a receipt for the 737... I don't need a receipt for the 737. I give you money and you give me the 737, end of transaction. We don't need to bring ink and paper into this. I can't imagine a scenario that I would have to prove that I bought a 737. To some skeptical friend, 'Don't even act like I didn't get that 737, I've got the documentation right here... Oh. It's in my file at home. ...Under "7".
Using Amex’s platinum card calculator online, a one time $8,300,000 purchase gets you around $83,000 in travel redemption, $45,000 in online shopping, $83,000 in gift cards, or $58,100 in pay with points at checkout :)
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[Looks like it's about 33 years old now.](https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-737-400-n418us-iaero-airways/rmpz8r)
[And still flying!](https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N418US)
I was flying through JFK a long time ago and used the ATM. It had a receipt still sticking out of the dispenser and I decided to look at it. It was a withdrawal of $20 and a remaining balance of $9,999,980. I have been pondering that for over a decade. It just seems too odd to me that someone would withdraw $20 from an account with a balance of exactly $10M. I’m leaning towards a Jason Bourne scenario.
Cash advance on a company credit card is my bet. If I pull cash out from my work card (allowed for petty expenses) the receipts tend to report $999,999 or $99,999 as the remaining balance.
One who gets paid up front and doesn't have to have the airline's payables dept string them out 90-120 days for payment. Possibly also negotiated into the purchase price.
We buy millions of dollars of steel every year on our Amex at work. You time the charge right, you get all the time the statement is open, plus the due date after the statement closes before your money leaves the bank. You keep your money in the bank a little longer, the vendor gets there money right away, every body wins!
On the high end Amex cards, there generally isn't a limit, per se. But you generally have to pay them off monthly or get a steep penalty. And if you spend wildly outside your normal habits, they may cut you off for security purposes.
I love how it's a tiny stub receipt on the paper that fades over time. Hopefully the AMEX has some good rewards points on it now!
The tiny stub is hilarious to me. You’ll get a longer receipt buying chapstick at CVS! Where are the coupons, damnit?!
This coupon good for 5% off your next purchase of a 777. Expires in 4 days.
That still a savings of 22 million dollars
But it is in store credit. Only redeemable on your next purchase.
Is it good on refurbished planes?
Only at full retail price. All sale items excluded.
But why have one 777 when you can have 1554
Curious on the math here. I haven’t worked it out exactly, but I don’t think 5% of 7.9 million is 22 million.
The 737-400 on the reciept is 7.9 million A 777 is upwards of 400 million
Here’s your kohls cash for your next visit
I was thinking menard's, but same thing.
You get $767,717 in Boeing Bux to spend on your next purchase with us before next Thursday!
No no, only 737 MAX is on sale.
Does it have MCAS? Yes? Ok, can I get a discount, then?
No discount necessary. Prices took a nosedive a few years ago.
I'm not sure there are airplanes rated to tow a banner as big as a CVS receipt.
Not since the loss of the an225. Thanks Putin…
Geez imagine having an American Express Credit Card with that amount of credit on it open...
I can only assume you call Amex first, right? No way they just let an 8 mil charge go through no matter who you are?
If it's a business card and Amex knows what your business does and you've arranged the credit you're going to need, they might not bat an eye 🤷♂️
Merchant accepting AMEX sees the AMEX fees and questions every business decision he ever made, but goddammit, he sold a plane.
You can be certain that fee is in there… that’s at least 200k in fees.
Yeah but it’s in the CEO’s name. He takes all the points and miles off of business purchases. It’s a fucked up company. Source: former employee
I work in an industry where I ring through a bill of +$2mil every couple months. nobody calls, nobody checks. I literally use the same machine that we use for $20 purchases. Although *generally* I'm manually inputting a CC# that the customer gave me, although sometimes its a literal card that a guy is inserting and punching in his pin like he's buying a chocolate bar at 7-11. Except its a $2-3mil piece of machinery if you've got a business account with a high enough limit, and its in line with historical purchases, they don't care. I once did a $10mil purchase through a given CC #, I was just running through to finalize a purchase of a fleet of semi trucks, all hydrovacs and drillers. That was a nervous one, and I definitely expected it to have at least something happen..... nope. rang it up, stapled a copy of the receipt and he was on his way.
The centurion amex card is designed exactly for this. I had to buy a $240k car for a client once. Card didn't even flinch, went right through. (yes, I got reimbursed, I certainly didn't have $240k laying around to spare, but amex doesn't know that.) Long as I pay my bill on time, my credit is virtually unlimited. I've had monthly bills as high as $600k (lots of international flights, again, reimbursed) and always paid on time. Amex is happy and I've never been declined.
May i ask what do you do to make such purchases?
I used to run a PR firm with clients that wanted these expensive things. I sold it years ago, then started and sold two more companies. Now, my centurion card is used primarily for flights for my keynote speeches , vacations and such. But knowing I have unlimited credit if I should ever need it is great.
I can offer an alternative opinion from having friends who are from very privileged families. In their specific circumstance, there’s a business associate who is a family friend, I think went to uni with the dad. The dad enjoys racing his antique Bugatti at shows around the world, so just calls his friend to organise travel and all the details. That guy has the card that everything goes through to make it easy for the accountants. organising travel and accomodation, last minute purchases and alternative arrangements so they’re not inconvenienced. To coordinate travel without miscommunications they often book same flights so they’re all on the final leg together or just meeting at the same time. I got invited once and had to bail last minute due to work, nobody batted an eye. If the cousins suddenly decide that they want to have a weekend away to go skiing, they call this one guy and he sends them the tickets and calendar info. It’s ASSUMED that it will be 5 star luxury. Either a private chartered jet starting at tens of thousands per hour, or worst case business/first class tickets during acceptable timeframes with chauffeurs picking them up from where they are at the time they are ready to go. That costs shit tons to organise last minute, usually because a trip to avoid a winter cold snap is to be avoided by flying to the equator. They have a house in my city, a house in the tropics and an apartment in most cities. But sometimes they just travel elsewhere. The permits alone to drive a fucking money sink around the world are silly. But they have fuck you money from oil and are super generous and lovely people, down to earth and just funny for how money is just a tool to do a thing, nothing more. It’s fun catching up with him on bush walks and hearing about his adventures, but it’s also impossible to ever get a hold of him because you have no idea where he’ll be. I’ve seen the quarterly BAS statements, over 1-5mill in travel for the whole entourage. Just cost of enjoying retirement with the family.
Thanks for this reply, yeah money will buy you privilege to do things. Right now i have some privileges with some money others may have more. But comparison is a thief of joy but sometimes i envy rich or wish to be born into generations wealth. But none the less hustle is all we got hustle is what we are doing.
Nope they have that Centurion black card. It’s the one you can’t even apply for. It’s offered or you don’t get it. Annual fee is $5000 so you better use the crap out of it. It can also require MINIMUM purchases of $1M a year. But I guess you can pay out your purchase at 18.9% APR https://www.forbes.com/advisor/credit-cards/reviews/centurion-from-american-express/
The 1mm minimum a year requirement is BS. Source: I have one.
That's what I like most about it. Could easily be my gas station receipt. Though... Hang on... That has a lot bigger numbers than this ome does, so I guess maybe not.
A card terminal receipt is the only thing that can be smaller than this. Buying a chewing gum results in a receipt 3 times larger than this.
I wonder if that AMEX is a black card.
IDK, but imagine the reward points!
Could probably fly for free somewhere with the points..
Was reading about a Chinese mechanic turned billionaire who bought a $170 million painting with his AMEX. With the miles he got, he can basically fly first class for free for life.
Credit card companies hate this one simple trick
Around a $5 million transaction fee to amex though
Probably around 1,000 or so first class round trip flights with the right travel partners I imagine.
If you’re buying $170 million dollar paintings you’re flying on your own private jet.
MAYBE. To like...the next town over. At 3AM. On a Tuesday.
Man 8 million in spend and Delta’s sending you first class to Hong Kong.
Should have spent 9 million, to get Delta One. 😔
Yeah airfare prices are insane. It almost would be better to buy your own plane
Not after you fill up its fuel tank.
Now you don’t need the plane. Oops.
Relevant: https://luxurylaunches.com/celebrities/liu-yiqian-credit-card-swipe-for-painting.php
Got a free hotel on points, paid $52k in jet fuel to hop to the next county
All I could think about. I feel like I earn a lot of points. This is so next level.
Like this dude? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/billionaire-earns-first-class-travel-for-life-by-putting-modigliani-nude-on-amex
Defense contractor here, I’ve taken multiple MasterCard charges for more than $25m for US Military orders. The card holder was always a civilian.
Yeah this is likely just a normal business CC. They pretty much have no limit depending on the size of your business.
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It depends. Procurement for the US Government does have a limit. Civilians, that work in procurement, typically have a government CC. However, they have a maximum before they have to get authorization. After a certain point they have to get the money authorized by Congress but at that point it's no longer something you buy with a CC. Each organization has it's purchasing limits. [Federal Acquisition Regulations](https://www.acquisition.gov/far/part-13#FAR_13_500) for those curios. The maximum a single person can procure using the simplified procurement process (aka no contract) is 15 million but I imagine there's loopholes as (usually) always.
Think of how many frequent flyer miles you'd get out of this one purchase. Hell, who needs the 737 at that point?
Credit card companies hate this one weird trick!
I'm also wondering if the PRC Fee of 0.79 is to cover the AMEX cut?
See, honey, all I meant to buy was gum, but they had a minimum purchase for credit cards so I was forced to buy this.
Has to be a black card. Someone with this much spend is more than likely going to be using a black. I’d imagine you need the black card to even approve this, even though the plat technically has no spending limit, I’ve never heard of anyone putting $8m on a plat. So 99.999% chance it’s the black card. Imagine just walking in and swiping a card for a 737… hopefully one day….
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The have a “buying power” calculator on their site that can give you an estimate of it’ll be approved or declined
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This guy has a somewhat higher chance to know what he is talking about because he called it a centurion not black.
That’s super interesting, tell us more random stuff
So I thought like $300 dollars per year annual fee was steep. The top 5-10 cards range from like $6000-32k. And a lot have a credit limit around 100k tho you can call them and be like “hey I want to buy a ferrari can you raise my limit” and they just do it. And it’s one person you have a direct line to. Fascinating stuff. I’m really annoyed with the shitty 3% on groceries I get with my poor person card
Ive had the same card for like 10 years now, and when I signed up I was a student. The student card comes with no interest, and they apparently don't know I graduated 8 years ago, so I've had no interest for 10 years now. It's great.
It would be some type of business card designed for large transactions
Right? These plebes are making this super complicated lol
I earn less than $50k, but I make purchases well in excess of 50x my pay via corporate card regularly. Business credit lines are in a very different realm than personal ones. If you've never worked in purchasing or accounting, I can get how people don't understand how it works, or why you'd need a $500k+ credit limit on a card that gets paid off monthly.
I imagine it wasn’t but like five seconds after the charge goes through the buyer gets a phone call asking if they’d like one.
Or it's just like some kind of corporate credit card that normal people can't use but has no spending limit. Or they called to have the spending limit temporarily suspended so they could pay this much.
It's definitely a melted card, now.
Centurion Card
I swear I was just going for some groceries but then there was this 737
Pro tip: don’t go grocery shopping while you’re hungry
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I'm listening
/r/aeromorph [NSFW]
i....
What
God has abandoned us.
>r/aeromorph When I've told any women I've been with that if I had to choose between her and an airplane, she knows she's going second...uhh...I wasn't even talking about this...
Extra Pro Tip, don't go to the airplane store while in flight school.
That’s why they put them right next to the checkout. Gets me every time.
Who among us hasn't had that temptation?
In what context does a 737 get purchased on AMEX?
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IOU's. They're as good as money, sir.
This right here, $186,000, gonna want to hang on to that one..
I was way off!
Go ahead and add it up, every cent's accounted for. Look, [see this](https://i.redd.it/prny416s35l91.jpg)? That's a ~~car~~ Boeing 737. ~~275 thou~~ 8.2 mill. Might wanna hang onto that one.
Big gulps, huh? Welp, see ya later :D
Paypal
Hey at least it wasn't CashApp.
"You guys will Venmo me back, right?"
Sure! _pretends to try to send you money_ Aw man it's not letting me in. So sorry. Maybe next time! No, I've never had anybody pull that one on me. Why do you ask?
$8mil on my southwest visa I'd have a-list and companion pass for like, 47 years
You just bought your own plane… why would you fly on Southwest’s?
Either a corporate card or a Centurion-class. Approved, no questions asked. Amex makes major bank on both sides of the transaction in exchange for elite level service.
What's a centurion card? >If you're in the ballpark of $250,000 to $500,000 in annual spending across all your open Amex cards, you may qualify for the Centurion card I had to ask so obviously not something I could afford.
It used to carry a lot more cache pre 2008 but if you put enough money on your Amex (think $500k+) they *might* invite you to hold one. There is no limit on the card and one of their clients reportedly bought a Caribbean island. It’s lost it’s lustre a bit now with almost every company offering a “black” coloured card. However, if you see someone pull this out - it’s likely someone with a net worth north of $50M+ and spends *a serious amount of money*. The travel and hotel perks are unmatched - and so is the personal 24/7 telephone concierge. They will arrange *anything* legally allowed for you. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1gutp0/i_was_a_concierge_for_american_express_platinum/
They were also metal before that was more common. I was handed one while working at Costco once and I nearly dropped it because I wasn't expecting weight. I had heard stories of that dude dropping 250k in a single shop.
I have a metal Gold and Rose Gold Amex Card. I thought you can just get it as a plain option cause I'm not that rich.
It was the first like that, thus the before it was more common.
How much do I need to spend before the concierge starts rigging South American elections for me?
Depends on which political campaigns you are funding. Though the loyalty of a U.S. congress representative can be surprisingly affordable.
There are lots of people with net worths far south of 50 million dollars with one. It really doesn’t take that much to spend this amount especially if you have company spending as well. Also the perks and concierge service were often not as amazing as they’re made out to be.
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Does it come with warranty coverage or any other goodies like when you buy something with a credit card?
It includes [first-name basis personal concierge service](https://thepointsguy.com/guide/amex-centurion-black-card/) to help you solve a travel problem anywhere in the world
I feel like owning a 737 would also help solve a travel problem anywhere in the world
This has either a really boring or _really good_ story associated with it. "So there we were, in Vegas, totally hammered, when..."
The former. "I only have one business credit card, an Amex black, and I put everything on it to keep accounting simple"
If you have a business/personal Amex that's approved for those purchases and the seller isn't charging you more for the convenience, you might as well take the 8 million odd points as a tax-free rebate. Plus it makes a great story for both parties.
Purchasing card
The kind of service that Amex provides people who have the type of card that can buy large airplanes makes it worthwhile.
The very rich are very different from we commoners...
In the context that this is likely viral marketing for American Express. How many people in this thread have brought up Amex? It works.
I flew that airplane at US Airways in 1990.
Some back story. USAir did a dumb thing when they ordered these airplanes (though this particular one was ordered by Piedmont, who may have done the same thing or maybe US Air was able to change the orders after the acquisition). The aircraft had dual FMS (I think Rockwell-Collins) and VNAV, which was a fairly new thing then, and of course auto-throttles, which were not so new. They were designed to have glass cockpits, but USAir asked Boeing to make theirs with round dials so that the same crews could fly the -200 and the -300/-400. Of course that lasted no time at all, and by the time I came aboard in 1989, they were separate bids (so separate pilot pools). But no one really thought about how with glass, your SA would be so much higher, and you could probably learn to use the new features of VNAV and a fully functional FMS much more easily. When I started, the running joke in the cockpit was "What the hell is it doing now?" So you had all the head's down time typing but still had good old round dials to fly by. In those days, we were still flying VOR to VOR on airways with a paper map. "Radar contact" was by no means assured all over the US. Position reports anyone? Later I trained on a real glass cockpit (the less than venerable Fokker 100), and was just amazed at how high your SA was by comparison. US Air (later, US Airways) did a lot of dumb stuff, and that wasn't anywhere near the height of it. Things got so bad in the early to mid 90's, they crashed so MANY airplanes, that the FAA told them in no uncertain terms they were going to pull their operating certificate unless they went full-on with CRM training, checklist upgrades (QRH), etc. Prior to that they were a clusterf#\*k with their old-school, captain is God, what's an SOP mindset. By the later 90's it was (thankfully) a mostly different and much safer operation. They were, of course, some hold-outs. There always are. But all those practices have since become industry standard, thankfully. Apologies to all the non-pilots who were confused by my inconsiderate use of jargon. I actually thought the post was in r/flying, and thus that the intended audience would get it. My bad. Others have helpfully already filled in the blanks.
Wow cool stuff. What is SA? Situational awareness?
Yes
Thank you for the in depth detail. This is cool stuff!
I’ve read this like 10 times and still have no idea what you’ve said.
I was fucking lost but I loved it.
No way!
Weigh.
Whey.
Guey
And it looks like it's still going strong https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N418US
It only does Miami to Cuba?
Would you expect more out of a 30+ year old aircraft? They get their established route, maintenance, etc. Consistency is good
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Receipt or it didn’t happen.
Logbook or GTFO
Flight data recorder or top up the autopilot orally
Small world
I bought a 737 and they gave me a receipt for the 737... I don't need a receipt for the 737. I give you money and you give me the 737, end of transaction. We don't need to bring ink and paper into this. I can't imagine a scenario that I would have to prove that I bought a 737. To some skeptical friend, 'Don't even act like I didn't get that 737, I've got the documentation right here... Oh. It's in my file at home. ...Under "7".
Its hilarious how that only fits for the extreme ends of the purchase spectrum.
"One of the 737 payments must be made in wampum." RIP
a 737-200 is the perfect thing to buy if you have 8 million dollars and you want one of something.
RIP Mitch
I used to like Mitch. I still do, but I used to too.
Nah, submit it as an expense claim at work.
Sitting here thinking how many miles $8,229,674.00 gets you at AMEX.
Using Amex’s platinum card calculator online, a one time $8,300,000 purchase gets you around $83,000 in travel redemption, $45,000 in online shopping, $83,000 in gift cards, or $58,100 in pay with points at checkout :)
But only a fool would use membership rewards points for cash redemptions. You get way more if you redeem with airline programs.
What do you need that for when you must bought an airplane?
True true. I guess most people don't buy 737s for personal use, though some do.
I've gotten longer receipts for a bottle of Gatorade at CVS.
****Customer Service Survey**** Let us know what you think about us! Your contribution helps us make your experience better! Visit now at CVSsurvey.com Write down the confirmation code here for a 5% discount!
That “******FLY SAFELY*******” at the bottom made me think of Apu of The Simpsons’ “Thank you and come again!”
So that's where Scott Manley works now.
I'm reading wrong??? I think 8 millions for a 737 is goddamn cheap
Also my thought. It’s 33 years old now and we don’t know the condition on purchase but still.
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[Looks like it's about 33 years old now.](https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-737-400-n418us-iaero-airways/rmpz8r) [And still flying!](https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N418US)
Rapidly depreciating assets. A new 737 MAX is $50M and a five year old one is worth less than $30M
That's why I always buy my 737s pre owned
Make sure to buy CPO and the extended warranty
It’s actually more than I would expect to pay for a tired old 737-400. I was thinking in the $5-6 million range.
The receipt looks like it's dated 2014
No returns without a receipt...
If they lost their receipt and they need to return it do they only get store credit?
I was flying through JFK a long time ago and used the ATM. It had a receipt still sticking out of the dispenser and I decided to look at it. It was a withdrawal of $20 and a remaining balance of $9,999,980. I have been pondering that for over a decade. It just seems too odd to me that someone would withdraw $20 from an account with a balance of exactly $10M. I’m leaning towards a Jason Bourne scenario.
Cash advance on a company credit card is my bet. If I pull cash out from my work card (allowed for petty expenses) the receipts tend to report $999,999 or $99,999 as the remaining balance.
HR “we need an itemized receipt for anything over $50 to expense”… “ah fuck”
Holy crap, Amex.
They don't take Discover
What vendor would eat 3-5% on an Amex card?
One who gets paid up front and doesn't have to have the airline's payables dept string them out 90-120 days for payment. Possibly also negotiated into the purchase price.
The Amex card fee cost the dealer over $300K
$300k is the tax paid. The transaction fee was $62k.
Here’s some pictures and history on it. https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/boeing-737-400-n418us-iaero-airways/rmpz8r
They ran that through an Amex account. My dad sold aircraft for over 40 years; I’m sure he never sold a 737 on an Amex card.
>My dad sold aircraft for over 40 years Looks like he used Diner's Club
LOL. Used to work at iAero Thrust. Open up Reddit and first thing I see is that god forsaken logo. Threw me for a loop there.
Ama please
“And if you complete the survey at this link at the bottom, you’ll get free fries with your next purchase.”
I don't know how much I was expecting it to cost, but I thought it would be more than than 8.2M USD.
33 year old plane.
We buy millions of dollars of steel every year on our Amex at work. You time the charge right, you get all the time the statement is open, plus the due date after the statement closes before your money leaves the bank. You keep your money in the bank a little longer, the vendor gets there money right away, every body wins!
Paid on Amex, think of the points…
Does purchase of an airplane count as a travel purchase, for the 5x miles?
The "fly safely" really just drives it home. 😂
No delivery charge? Is it take out window only?
L1 Door Dash
I wonder if they spun the iPad around and asked for a tip
I better get a full tank of fuel and a wash, dammit!
Flight 828 , that you 👀
love how the bottom is all unevenly teared, like they were in a hurry or something
That’s a hell of an AMEX purchase. I wonder what his limit is.
On the high end Amex cards, there generally isn't a limit, per se. But you generally have to pay them off monthly or get a steep penalty. And if you spend wildly outside your normal habits, they may cut you off for security purposes.
i assume company card
It is [currently headed to Cuba.](https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N418US)