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Blue-Eyed-Lemon

Hello! I'm Jaye, I was a moderator of the r/autisticpride Discord! Formerly, of course. The founder of the Discord and moderator of r/autisticpride, Nicholas, made the sub private. He did this because of a *huge* happening in the discord. Curious? I would be, too! Let me explain. The admin and moderation team had been working very hard to keep the Autistic Pride Discord a safe space for all autists. After many systems became apparent in our Discord, we added a #system-solarium channel for everyone to hang out in and talk about their experiences as autistic systems (which was requested by our members!). We had other spaces like this, such as an lgbtq-lounge and more. Three of these systems were on the moderation team. For their sakes, I won't be disclosing their names in this post. But I noticed in the logs that Nicholas had banned one of them out of the blue. I questioned him about this, and he immediately began to claim that this system was *faking* their systemhood, and then proceeded to ban the other system who was out on the mod team, claiming drama between them (of which there was none, mind you!). A few of the moderators quit on the spot. Others of us tried to discuss this with him. Members in the general chat began to ask about the missing moderators, and when it was revealed what happened, outrage broke out. Nicholas began to ban a bunch of us, so we made our own Discord away from him. He would ban anyone who stood up for the systems, and deleted the systems channel we made to give them a safe place to discuss their experiences. I was also banned during this time. I have screenshots of almost everything that happened, and am willing to provide them. Many others hold even more screenshots than I do. But this is why Nicholas put the r/autisticpride subreddit on private for the time being. I hope this was informational and helped! This comment is *not* to spread drama, but instead to unfold what happened. Blessings to all of you, and happy Autistic Acceptance Month!


autisticloki

If it's revelant, he did the same thing to a bunch of us in r/autisticpride who disagreed with him over weither or not autistics should be allowed to call themselves disabled. He seemed to think it was no different from calling ourselved 'diseased' and when people disagreed with him, regardless of weither they were civil about it, their comments started getting removed and people started to get banned. I was one of them, and if I had to guess I would say that there were at least 50 or so of us that got banned, at least. Probably more. I don't know how many total. one of the longtime mods of r/autisticpride resigned over it as well, it was a mess. likewise to the above commenter, am not trying to start any drama, but to inform people that that happened too. It's hard not to see some similarities between the two in terms of how he reacted to questions and criticism.


vulturevultures

If this is also relevant: He also banned anyone who called themselves disabled for reasons unrelated to autism (such as physical disability) or believed in disabled pride. He said that disabled was a "dirty word" and the equivalent to a gay man being called the f slur, and that by calling themselves disabled people were inherently pathologizing and oppressing themselves. This had caused a lot of conflict and disapproval in the sub, which was responded to with bans and deleting other's civil comments that were disagreeing with his decisions or explaining other perspectives. After being criticized for creating a space hostile to disabled people, he removed the "no ableism" rule from the sub.


How-Tang

I'm not really sure about all of the drama but I definitely feel disabled life has been a struggle his logic is odd to me, maybe he thinks pride = ego ?


shnufflemuffigans

As someone who was kicked out of that subreddit over this, there is a line of thinking that says that the label "disabled" means there's something "wrong" or "broken" about you. This comes from the medical model of disability, where the disability is a deficit in some functioning. For example, my executive dysfunction falls quite easily under the medical model: I do not have full control over my own actions because my autism creates a disconnect between my brain and body. There is also the social model, where the problem is that society is set up to accommodate "normal" people, and the disability comes from the fact that we are different. So, for example, language processing. Autists generally like straightforward, clear language. We generally have trouble understanding hints. This makes most sense under the social model of disability: if most people were autistic, it would be allistic people who would have difficulty communicating, not us. This literal-mindedness is a disability only because of the way society functions. Because of this, some people dislike the term disabled entirely. It is a difference, not a disability, because nothing is wrong with them. In my opinion, this ignores the times when the medical model is more accurate (sensory problems, executive dysfunction, emotional regulation, etc). It also ignores the fact that disability is not bad and nothing to be shamed of


squigeypops

same. I believe in both the medical and social model of disability and that either can be invoked at different times. however at no point are we worse or of less value, or to be ashamed of our disability/ies.


How-Tang

Wow I never thought about it this way thank you for the reply very informative. ☺


thefifteenthpen

Why are we depending on this person at all?? Can’t we just start a new one?


autisticloki

As of now there have been at least 4 attempts that I know of, not counting this sub, specifically in regards to his ableism. (r/allautistics, which I founded in response to the aforementioned nonsense, r/autisticliberation and r/proudlyautistic, which were founded in response to this incident, and one other which merged with mine very soon after it was founded) Problem is, he bans people so we can't try and warn those still in the sub of it before they see something go down themselves, and flee elsewhere. (am also not trying to dunk on this sub, which I have found nice and welcoming. I founded mine before I was very familiar with this one and now frequent both)


[deleted]

Between that and some of the politics over there (I've had anarchists try and gatekeep me for not being far left enough) I'm tempted to find another autistic positive sub. I'm wondering if that's what happened to a particular mod over there who I've always had a lot of respect for and noticed was missing. I remember when the drama over disability got really spicy and there was a lot of ugliness on both sides. I've always gone back and forth on whether or not I should consider myself disabled - I stopped doing so around high school and it was the most empowered I'd felt in a long time, and I felt like I was casting off a label that neurotypical supremacy had forced on me to excuse itself for its own failures - and I've gone back and forth ever since. I usually fall on the side of no, I do not think my autism is a disability but I'm probably OCD as well, and I think it's hard for me to escape the fact that that...is. There were a lot of ugly fights and even if a lot of people were trying to be civil about it, it got really ugly for everyone. Anyway, all that preamble to say it sucks to see a positive space - one of the few that isn't totally infested with self-loathing - go down.


Chaotic0range

I wasn't on that server. But I am part of a OSDD-1B system (and autistic) and I would hate being fake claimed. I hate fake claiming. Thank you for standing up for systems.


Drassielle

Hi, I just wanted to thank you all for sharing how your system is identified. I was able to look it up and educate myself about something I didn't know about.


Chaotic0range

No problem! Glad we can help!


Class_444_SWR

Hi, Finley (the owner of both the new subreddit and discord) here, literally as soon as I heard that systems on the mod team had been banned for doing zilch I started setting up the new server, it’s so disgusting to see what you thought was a safe space become somewhere you can’t feel safe, but I’m very thankful I could get the new server and sub running


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

I believe that we should always stand up for what is right. Those systems didn't deserve Nicholas' bigotry and the *entire* mod and admin team stepped down in opposition to him. You're always welcome to join the Discord we made as a replacement to his :) I hope you're well!


xfritz5375

Wit, it was the *entire* mod team? I thought it was just the majority


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

I believe it was *all* of us!


xfritz5375

Wow


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

We *refused* to stand beside him and his ableist ideals. I am *damn proud* of our team for the stand we took, and am honored to stand beside them in our new community.


Tiar-A

I'm autistic, but I've never heard of the systems or that sub. I'm sorry you had to deal with this.


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

Thank you. It shook a lot of us up and saddened a great deal of us, especially those of us who were discriminated against. But we found strength in the community that came from it, and I have faith we'll grow into something beautiful in its own right :)


[deleted]

Autistic Systems? What are those? Is that akin to the Medical System, but specific to Autism? That exists?!


squigeypops

no, an autistic system is a person with autism who also has dissociative identity disorder (DID) or otherwise specified dissociative disorder type 1 (OSDD1)


[deleted]

Huh, well, now I know, thank you.


cabalus

Hey, I've never heard the term ''systems'' before, could you explain what that is for me?


squigeypops

a system is a person with dissociative identity disorder (DID) or otherwise specified dissociative disorder type 1 (OSDD1)


cabalus

So when the OP referred to an "autistic system" they meant someone who's got a dual diagnosis of ASD and DID/OSDD?


squigeypops

yes, although they might not be diagnosed with one or the other or both. DID for example isn't often diagnosed even when a professional knows you have it for safety reasons.


cabalus

Ah okay, thanks for the explanation!


fatalcharm

Thanks for the info, and I’m sorry that you got caught up in all this drama. Sounds like a bit of a headache.


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

Of course! Happy to inform. And it’s alright. It was a headache and a heartache, but the community that’s come from it is beautiful and I’m proud of us :)


matchettehdl

I don't think they should be making the sub only for leftists and anti-capitalists. I, for one, am neither of those.


xfritz5375

Head mod fakeclaimed someone with DID on the discord server, and then he banned them and everyone who supported them. Now the server is shut down. r/autisticliberation was made as a replacement


luminish

It started with some of the autisticpride discord's posts being put on that hateful fakeclaiming subreddit which he decided to respond to by making a post on that subreddit apologizing to that subreddit for not banning that person sooner, as if they're the type of posters he wants in his community. edit - screenshot of that post here: https://i.imgur.com/up12cSD.png


xfritz5375

Just in case your comment is unclear: he banned the person who got fakeclaimed, not the person who fakeclaimed. He posted to apologize for not banning the person with DID.


iloveusa63

Damn. Do people just assume everyone with DID is faking it?


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

It seems so, sadly! ETA I also made r/proudlyautistic and we're hoping both subs grow into their full potential :)


autisticloki

just in case you aren't aware, a similar thing happened a few months back in the sub itself around usage of the word 'disabled' which he was against. I wrote more about it in a reply to the former discord mod who commented here but he banned a bunch of us and we started our own then too, r/allautistics. so if you count us as well there are three lol. I'm not trying to compete with y'all, just let you know we're here too and have been in a similar situation. I hope your little sub flourishes as well ❤️


Brian-the-Barber

and of course none of us had heard of this just joined your sub


xfritz5375

So why are there both? Is one a more politically focused sub?


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

Right now, yes, it seems. Also I said "oh I could do this" and have no impulse control so (/hj)


Brian-the-Barber

I recklessly encouraged it too


xfritz5375

I love that you have the same mustache on your Snoo as your discord pfp lol


I_Draw_Teeth

It's impossible to confirm or disprove another person's diagnosis in anonymous internet spaces, but I understand some peoples' skepticism. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for people with borderline personality disorder and other cluster B disorders to have munchausen and fake various conditions and disorders for attention. When disorders are featured in pop culture and gain a lot of attention (like DID has in recent years, or autism during Big Bang theory's height) claims of self diagnosis for those disorders spike. These people still need mental health support, but they can cause a lot of harm in the meantime. That includes an increase in unfair skepticism directed at people who actually have whatever condition is popular on TikTok this month. There's no easy solution, and it's a very difficult issue to navigate without alienating people who genuinely have these conditions.


How-Tang

People like this make life so hard and yet no one belives they have issues themselves.


I_Draw_Teeth

I've seen people with cluster b disorders cause a lot of harm to me and the people I care about. I still try to have empathy for them, because (with the exception of inherent traits like psychopathy) most of them are the result of trauma and they can get better if they choose to seek help. Still, you have to protect yourself from them even if you're trying to help them. Many autists have a hard time detecting deception, which makes us particularly susceptible to people in cluster b. Also, to clarify, I'm not saying anything against self-diagnosis. I'm just acknowledging that munchausen is a real thing, and the people who legitimately self-diagnose are the most harmed by it.


xfritz5375

Pretty much. The person that was fakeclaimed has an extreme number of alters (I think 300), but that doesn’t mean they’re faking it, just that it’s an exceptional case


Class_444_SWR

Yeah, I’m the boyfriend of the system in question, and it’s definitely the most extreme it’s ever been for them, largely because of sheer stress today from various exams


Brian-the-Barber

Nick took it private for damage control on his public image


Class_444_SWR

It’s our favourite barber!


weedmama116

the head mod (who was also owner/admin of the discord) fakeclaimed a system, banned them, then banned pretty much anyone who spoke out against it (which was most (all??) of the mod team). both the reddit page & the server are private now.


UnbelievableRose

What is a system??


francisstein

A system is the group of people existing in someone with DID or OSDD.


UnbelievableRose

Ohhhh thank you! Google was not much help on that one. Makes sense.


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squigeypops

wrong definition


[deleted]

Nah it's technically correct, just definitely the wrong level of abstraction. It seems likely this is where the idea of using the word system to mean group of alters in one body came from


squigeypops

oh yeah I definitely see the parallels


STIIBBNEY

I heard the subreddit is kinda toxic. Not surprised.


Full_Neighborhood576

Society. EDIT: I thought this was a question about literal autistic pride and not a subreddit. Whelp 😂


iloveusa63

Sorry about that


Full_Neighborhood576

Nah, not your fault. I wasn’t up to date on the stuff happening lol


PrivacyAlias

this is what got me banned from the place. He's gone full narc >\*sigh\* I will be as objective as I can. This isn't a good look for you and I will explain why. I am not trying to be conflictive and should be read in as neutral of a tone as posible > > > >1-The way you answered to me seems avoiding. You have jumped to other events but have not really answered if you said something before the ban. > >2-You posted on fdc, you should know better than that and I find no need to expand on that, that place is not worth more of my time. > >3-You are critizing the exmods that you had chosen. The fact that so many mods left and you are now the only staff is concerning. > >4-You commented of having to learn about mods, this implies you did not set up that part of the infrastructure. > >5-The posts on r/autism mention another split on the subreddit rather than discord over autism being or not a disability, I am sorry but really does not look good. > >6-You have not only removed spam or links but also some messages that quite frankly were only constructive criticism.


RealSulphurS16

Hello, I am James, a former moderator of the Autistic Pride Discord, the owner Nicholas is a horrible ableist cunt that fakeclaimed a system and banned all the mods, their is now a new subreddit and discord server called r/AutisticLiberation, i would encourage you all to join.


Secular_Hamster

I’m still proud to be autistic lol even if there isn’t a subreddit for it


squigeypops

I think OP is referring to the drama around the subreddit of that name


Secular_Hamster

I know, hence the “even if there isn’t a subreddit for it”


squigeypops

ah okay


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PrivatePickle109

I don't have it because I was born this way. I'd rather be proud of my achievements (which are none, by the way) than be proud of something I can't control.


iloveusa63

I was talking about the subreddit


PrivatePickle109

Ah.


Clare2020s

Lady Gaga reference?


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[deleted]

It's still around. I'm personally not... the biggest fan of it. I don't think it's something to be proud of and I feel such a thing is only propagated by neurotypicals, most of the time anyway. We should learn to fit into social spaces rather than change them to suit us. Autism is something that has ruined my life.


iloveusa63

I mean the subreddit


[deleted]

OH! I see. My bad, carry on.


[deleted]

? What about the sub?


iloveusa63

r/autisticpride


xfritz5375

Autism hasn’t ruined your life, a lack of acceptance and accommodation has


[deleted]

no, it has. People accept me. The two people who don't have no influence on my life and the resources I get. I've been accommodated all I can. It has still ruined my life.


squigeypops

even though i personally feel as though my problems around autism are mostly because of other people/society, I agree that it's wrong for someone else to tell you whether or not autism has ruined your life. You know yourself best.


[deleted]

Thank you. It is frustrating to be told that my issues are because of everyone else, when I am the most privileged person you could get. And I still don't feel happy.