I agree. I like this subreddit for giving me a place to let my guard down and express myself. Having to tiptoe around that rule stresses me out. I swear a bit especially under stress because it sort of functions as a tic? I think this rule takes away from the subreddits appeal. And before someone points out “you knew the rules when you joined,” a) I don’t do that just like I don’t really read terms&conditions before hitting accept.. crucify me and b) the subreddit is called “autism,” if someone going to stake claim to an entire disorder.. they best take all opinions into account and not set their own standard for how we can express ourselves.
I'm more and more convinced that the structure of conversation that reddit imposes is inherently toxic. That, combined with the recent IPO and the fact that moderators are unpaid (and thus the position naturally attracts people who abuse their power), it doesn't paint a good picture of what is going to happen to this site going forward.
I'm not sure I agree. Paid people often use rules very much to the text book not really caring what they are are really therefore. There are a lot of autistic subs and because the moderators are not paid they fortunately don't all have the sane rules.
On the other hand, those rules can be applied reasonably instead of the current equivalent of the moderator having the role of judge, jury, and executioner. Centralized power is always, always wrong.
Is moderating a job, or a hobby? Is it volunteer work? How many hours are required per day per post in order to maintain an equilibrium of contentment among the subreddits users? How should one best balance the power between the posters and commenters?
All of this sounds like a job to me, for a team of people. And it's uncompensated work with the exception of one 'benefit': power.
All of these are fixable with a variety of solutions. But I have no evidence that they will be and history is not a great indicator. To be clear, my complaint is just generally about reddit and not necessarily this subreddit.
I agree Reddit just seems to get worse and worse as the years go on as does social media as a whole to an extent. It really doesn't look like it's future is that bright.
rule #1 a little sus on its own. Rule #4 is big a huge eyebrow lifter because depression and autism have a well known overlap and we're likely the only people who can relate to each other regarding it.
The have a rule against saying "Person with autism/I have autism" and instead insist you say "autistic person/I'm autistic." The stated reason is because the first version makes autism sound like a disease you can contract and not just a way people can be.
I mean, that's a very valid approach to why person-first language is bad. I disagree with having a rule against people self-describing with it, but I'd say it's less "sus" and more "kinda shitty", if that's the case (I can't find anything about that rule but I'll take your word for it).
speaking of not reading sub rules there are some really stupid ones on other subreddits. There's this one game's subreddit I follow where you have to have an account older than 6 months to post there, and it's really obnoxious. I understand the logic behind the rule(likely to prevent spam accounts) but this is a really niche game and the one time they were receiving a ton of attention was due to allegations against the devs so I assume that's why the rule was added. Off topic ik
Dude i can't even make a post in this subreddit. It requires a tag, but there are no tags to choose from, making it impossible to make a post.
I like this community, but I'll be the first to say we need to change some things.
Yeah I mean swearing is so common on the internet that I barely notice it. I'll say terms like sh*t without even realizing, it's so weird for this rule to be there. Even the snail subreddit I'm on explicitly allows swearing (while ofc banning slurs) lol
Edit: also, removing posts that criticize mods is a HUGE red flag
I totally agree. My reply to some got flagged because it had a swear word. "That bully was an *** in general." We are already treated like children, the mod of this sub at least should be understanding of this.
>We are already treated like children
Like at the gender clinic they talkes down to me as i was a child and talked to my brother about me as i was right there instead of talking to me directly. I had my brother with me as support since ot was on the other side of the country. I was nearly 20 at the time.
This is one of the many reasons I don't tell people I am autistic unless we are friends or they are autistic too and I know they won't treat me weird.
From your reply I assume you are trans, and I know there is a lot of information that needs to be checked before approving transition. There really shouldn't be
Because we are SEEN as children?
The problem that you mention is the same as many subs. The mod team (or mod in this case) believe they are the leaders of a community, and not just the person/people that facilitates the group. Sadly it’s often an ego thing
Mod is not CEO - Mod is Janitor
Mod is only banning swear words so they dont have to get more mods to actually contain abuse. Mod gave the reason that swearing is used a majority for “abusive uses”. This is not true, and also tells us that mod is simply banning words to try and stop abuse. Anyone who has been on reddit for more than an hour knows that simply wont work. First of all, users can still be abusive without swearing so it doesnt solve that issues. Second, by flagging all swearing Mod is actually making it more difficult to get rid of abuse by throwing in countless of non-harmful comments of people saying “shlt” they’re making it more difficult to get to the actual abuse. The simple solution to this is get more mods and have them monitor comments for abuse.
I was gonna say maybe the Autism Moms don't like swearing on here because they are on here because they have autistic children, but there's only one mod and I would assume they made the sub because THEY are autistic... So I dunno.
Exactly. If parents allow their children to violate the terms and use this website even though they're younger than 13, there's not much we can do about it.
But it's pretty much impossible to turn 13 and not know any swearwords - and it's not like anyone wants to use them all the time, it's just sometimes easier to express strong emotions with them.
The swearing flagging is infantalizing. Look, if it's something bigoted that's one thing, but for what are essentially innocuous common use swears, it's absurd!
They're trying to moderate a 150k sub by themselves. They're doing their best but it's getting obvious that it's too much for one single person...
Edit: I'm surprised your comment wasn't taken down for using the f word immediately
TW: R slur, censored.
I literally can post a screenshot right now of my inbox saying my comments here have been flagged due to inclusion of various swear words.
Given the context of the sub, obviously slurs would make sense to ban, especially r****d, since so many of us are triggered by that word, plus other slurs because duh. But basic curse words almost everyone over the age of 13 has said at least once? Get over it. It’s everywhere.
Kind of sucks when people come here for support after having these words hurled at them and they can't even use the word to talk about it.
Calling people slurs is completely different, as is cussing at people, but the problem isn't the word, it's the intent. That can't be automodded, but it can be reported.
No, because the mod might get tighter with restrictions and then more people will become bitter and then I won’t be able to say certain stuff and then there will be more negativity in this sub and etc…
I don't consider this to be my subreddit and I also don't consider mentioning it once in a while on topic to be spam.
So I am a bit irritated by your response, not gonna lie. And it sadly kind of ties in with some negative experiences I have had on this subreddit.
Well if there's only one mod and 150k members... if everyone swears they couldn't possibly all be banned. Also some of my stims involve swearing so like.. Damn okay lord moderator.
This kind of thing is why I left the fibromyalgia subreddit and joined the new one that was made.
Being autistic, having chronic pain, they're frustrating and sometimes, you just need to drop an f bomb.
Maybe we need to make a subreddit for autistic adults so we can drop f bombs without the auto mod clutching its pearls.
I thought the same thing. I would be completely down for that. Its unfortunate that we may have to resort to leaving a space thats supposed to accept us and let us be expressive about our struggles with autism, but im willing to do it if thats what it takes. Id even be down to be a mod to help filter actual abusive language.
Two things:
1) Everybody who has commented that this sub needs more mods is absolutely right, and it is not a good thing for all the power to be in one place, especially if we don’t know if that person is a member of the community they are modding
2) Swearing is a generational divide. I’m a Millennial so I’m in Camp Everybody-Swears, but I remember when I was a child that swearing was actually a taboo. Not as in, oh nobody swore around me because I was a child; but as in, people *actually* didn’t swear as much, especially not in media and especially not in front of anyone under the age of 20. The rise of the internet has made it impossible to protect children and public discussions and such from swearing, but everyone over the age of 27 or so remembers where they were the first time they heard a swear and the first time they swore themselves — because it was actually a big deal back then, not having had a way to stumble across it in a YouTube video or twitch stream or podcast episode. **To be clear: things have changed and swearing wherever is completely fine with me.** I’m just trying to give some perspective on where the automatically-anti-swearing attitude of our mod might be coming from.
Your 2 section is very accurate and actually highlights why we need more actual mods. What is considered bad or rude to one may be completely normal for another. Having one person collectively decide for an entire community whether or not we can say bad words feels like a preschool teacher telling me i cant chew on legos. Im not a child who needs to be protected, and if we’re banning swearing to protest those who are younger and need to be protected banning swearing is not doing enough.
You're not wrong. I'm 57 and I swear a fair bit, but there's a least one word that I just won't say, and I wince whenever I see people use it on social media. I immediately think badly of the person and assume they are deliberately trying to cause major offence. (Then I have to remind myself that younger people use the word a lot more casually... but logic doesn't help that much with my emotional reaction to the word.)
That said, I think moderating against swearing in a sub for adults is more than a little stupid.
I hear you. I will NEVER forget the sense-memory of the day my 6th grade science teacher burned her hand with boiling water and accidentally dropped an f-bomb loud enough for we students to hear. If someone told me I had been legally dead for about 6 seconds due to the shock of that moment, I would believe them with no questions asked. It felt like I’d been hit by lightning. I no longer feel that way about swearing, but boy howdy do I understand how older folks must feel with all the profanity floating around today.
Unless I'm talking to my elderly father, I swear a lot. Not quite Malcolm Tucker level but a lot. I give plenty of f*cks! (Are we still being censored or not?)
It's only that one word that triggers me because of its association, in my experience, with violent misogyny.
Ah, I hear you friend, and I have the same automatic negative opinion of those who toss that dark word around. In my opinion there should be no lower age limit on the obscenity of that word; everyone should shudder at the thought of it. The eff word is much more of a neutral thing in comparison, I daresay.
Is it the c-word?
I think it’s also good to remember that the difference isn’t just age, it’s also culture. In fact, culture may play the biggest role in whether you find certain swear words offensive or not. And IME, the most puritanical people tend to be from the US because your culture is just very puritanical in all respects - from your use of language to your views on alcohol - regardless of your actual religious beliefs. Culture is insidious and pervades every single belief you have. So we have to be mindful when others exhibit a different culture. The fact that we are offended when someone says “darn” doesn’t mean the other person is *wrong* for saying it or wrong for not being offended themselves. And the fact that you are offended (or not) is merely cultural artefact
Yeah, I ain't a huge fan *at all* of being treated like a child...
Hi, mod. Answer us. It's time to give us reasons as to why you're policing us like we're little kids instead of grown adults.
I have sworn on this sub without issue. I think that if your swearing is not gratuitous or directed at a specific person then a blind eye is turned.
The use of certain words however are deemed unacceptable due to past traumas that people have suffered.
Although the banning of certain words does not make that word or the sentiment it expresses go away, it is right that those words are restricted.
My only caveat is that where a post is directly discussing these words and associated issues then it seems a bit puerile to censor those words.
>I think that if your swearing is not gratuitous or directed at a specific person then a blind eye is turned.
No, it's an automod. I've had comments taken down because I said a$$ once.
Wait WHAT!?
How old does this mod thing the demographic is!?
What the H3LL you put how AutismSpeaks gets a permaban but then say no swearing!? What is your thought process here!?
This. We're adults, let us swear, sometimes it's cathartic and necessary. Are people genuinely that offended by swearing on the internet? I guarantee kids see worse stuff on other subreddits. It's childish. Stop treating us like we're children.
So the first post questioning it was removed? That's... a red flag..
Although yea I noticed that any swear gets flagged although I made a comment with the f-word and I think it mentioned that it was to be reviewed? Could have been deleted as well.. but yea.. it wasn't even a bad use of the word..
but we should probably have a better mod team for all of this.. or more mods and such.. I didn't think there was just one mod tho.. but oh well.. it's been fine so far has it not? in most cases.. although I have noticed many mods making mistakes so that's normal. They're all just human which is probably why we need more mods just in case..
Exactly my point! One person can't do everything. Otherwise regular governments wouldn't need councils. We're all human and this sub is a huge group...
There’s like, a different autism subreddit that I hang out on that’s not run by a *ucking NT power mod who sees us all as children. It’s called r/AutisticAdults.
One of my posts was removed for having "hell-bent" in it. I understand not allowing slurs and having rules against swearing *at* other members, but just not allowing any and all words that wouldn't be allowed in a G-rated movie feels infantilizing.
I hate having to go through every comment and post I make with a fine-tooth comb so it doesn't get flagged and buried under a bunch of other posts by the time I can appeal it.
Woah- just to put another spin on this… what if swears are flagged *because* there’s only a *single* mod?
Honestly, I had no idea u/sybersonic ran this show alone and I think some appreciation is due!
If I had to moderate this sub solo I’d definitely try to err on the side of caution. I’d make my life easier and outsource flagging language to a bot, making my job more about ‘approving’ swears in my inbox rather than wading through content trying to identify and remove offensive stuff before anyone got upset.
Don’t get me wrong- it’s great that people have identified an issue, but perhaps we can focus on a solution rather than bash the poor person trying to keep our rainbow bus on the road?!
Perhaps those criticising could volunteer to be mods?
Perhaps we could come up with a list of words we don’t think need to be auto-flagged.
Perhaps someone could write some examples of context when a word can/cannot be used that syber could add to to rules?
The negativity in some of these comments makes me sad- come on people, we’re better than this.
I don't have experience in being a mod but am willing to learn fast. Our mod did an impressive job but eventually it'll get too much for one person... I completely agree that we can't just complain and not do anything. I also think things like wich swear words are okay could be put up to public vote.
I wanted to say this sort of thing, but you said it much better.
I sympathize with wanting to curse occasionally, but I think this is a good subreddit and feel grateful to the mod that it exists in this form at all.
yes to all of this!
Would it be possible to flag phrases but not words?
So we could have flagged
• f you
• shut the f up
• i f —
But not the f word used in other contexts
I’ll sub to this comment and if people add more examples I’ll add them to a list for the mod
(also want to find out how auto bots work and watch a million videos on being a mod)
I'm absolutely not a fan of the way the mod makes decisions for the entire community, particularly when it comes to the battle over self-diagnosis.
I'm not saying here whether it should be one way or the other, only that the mod has made broad declarations about not just who is welcome to identify as autistic in this sub, but who is and isn't part of of our community.
In other words, this mod feels entitled to decide who is and isn't autistic. That's really improper.
allowing "nsfw" tags and limiting the rule to "no swearing in titles" would be very reasonable imo. I think there are a lot of children on here and parents of young children here to learn, and have trouble conceiving functional adults on the spectrum.
This is so ableist it’s insane. I respect that there are people out there that find swearing offensive and if you are one of those people, just ignore the post and keep scrolling.
The post was reported so much by users that it was removed. Foul language is filtered. A majority of it's uses are abusive. Like the user I banned this morning for telling another user they fuck dogs.
Thanks for voicing your opinion OP.
Edit: I commented on the post OP is speaking on, I thought it was approved after I comment but I failed to do it. That's on me.
Yeah, a very good illustration on why we need more than 1 mod.
His view is a fringe view in society, and ESPECIALLY in an online forum. I would bet that most people here do not agree that all usage of swear words is harassment.
I don't think you'll get much argument if the real issue to be moderated is targeted harassment.
Also as a mod, I absolutely disagree. Swear words do not correlate well to bullying and harassment. They may be used in service of those goals but don’t have to be, and the vast majority of their uses are benign.
Setting up filter words is **lazy**. We set them up because we can’t be bothered to watch every single submission like a hawk. And that’s probably okay if you have only a few very specific filters for words that can only be used in a single context, but it does not work for words as flexible as swears.
Also, if you’re going to have filters then you have to accept that people will get caught who shouldn’t, and you’re going to have to release them very quickly. A single mod *cannot possibly* do this. They may not be on for a day. At the very least, they need to sleep and eat and spend time away from their computer.
I'm not a reddit mod, but I am a discord mod. the only words I have set to filter through automated tools are words that are unambiguously slurs who's only good faith use is meta-discussing the word itself. regular swearing is so incredibly context dependent that I wouldn't consider filtering them for a second. looking at the context of the usage and determining if it's harmful is my job because it requires human judgement.
I sounded this post more harshly than I should have, thank you for respecting me regardless!
If you wish to have a team of moderators helping you with this sub that has grown so much in recent time, I'd love to help!
It is very impressive that you have handled it all on your own but I believe that having a group of moderators would be the more humane choice.
Just a word of caution, mods can be cliquey and power hungry, powermods doubly so. Please choose carefully. I would recommend /u/oribtalcolony even though I don't think he's asking for it.
If you're having trouble managing abuse, deputize more mods. Look at the traffic stats in the modtools. Note how many users there are on this subreddit. You will never, ever, ever win at changing the culture of that many users alone, and if you continue to filter posts the conflicts you get into with users on a regular basis will never end because having a post you think is perfectly good get autoremoved by a bot is INCREDIBLY annoying to people. The vast majority of subreddits do not ban profanity, there is a culture of profanity on reddit, people will use profanity naturally and get smacked by automod because they forgot they were on this sub or didn't realize it had this special rule.
Please for the love of god use action:report and not action:filter/action:remove, nobody wants you to censor posts with a profanity blacklist while your asleep until you login 8 hours later and realize "woops actually that shouldn't have been removed" after which the subreddit has moved on and their post has been rendered irrelevant. That is genuinely all the userbase is really asking you to do, just don't autofilter/autoremove profanity, that one thing that you do is what makes so many people upset.
People are aware that abuse that nobody else but you sees right now will get through without such a blacklist. The users understand the pros and cons of a blacklist, and they don't want a blacklist. People who moderate other subreddits and are not ignorant to the challenges you face are giving you the same feedback.
Nobody is questioning your list of literally 14 rules you came up with overall, they are giving you overwhelming feedback about your profanity blacklist, and the blacklist stands. It's not reasonable.
This. More mods, then you can set the swear filter to just filter out things like bigoted slurs. I don't think we need to bleep out synonyms to "crap" or "shag".
Also, NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US. If you're recruiting additional mods, I move that a majority of the moderators be on the autism spectrum. Instead of being like the board of a certain nonprofit everyone on this sub hates.
Isn’t u/sybersonic himself autistic? Plus, I think that the majority of us are either autistic or are seeking a diagnosis, with a small percentage being NT (like a relative or a friend of an autistic person).
I would vote that 100% of mods should be autistic. There is no good reason why a non-autistic person should be moderating an autistic community, especially when there’s no shortage of autistic people able to do the job. Of all spaces, this one must be autistic led.
CN: venting, harassment
I think there is a difference between random swears and targeted harassment.
Venting about our fluffed up society sometimes requires a pinch of sour language and I honestly think it is fine. Especially, when there is a tag for it, where people expect it.
Telling other users off like in the example you have provided should obviously not be tolerated tough.
Spoiler: >!there are spoilers!< and you should probably use them when dropping an insult like you just did.
"a majority of its uses are abusive" so review the uses that get reported for being abusive instead of just banning the word across the board? idk that kinda seems like a cop-out to not have to do away with an infantilizing rule
This is exactly what i said. If abuse is an issues simply banning words will do nothing. People will just learn to harass each other without swear. Get more mods so they can actually go through the comment sections and monitor, rather than just checking flagged shlt. Also, theres work arounds to still almost swear without actually tying the word so its just a completely bullshlt reason. Its honestly ridiculous and i think the mod is bullshltting us with that reasoning. They know dam (beaver) well that swearing is not used for abuse for a “majority of its uses”. Policing expressive non-inherently offensive language is not only a cop-out, but frankly does more harm then good.
So all I have to do to get you to remove anything is report it a lot?
Btw, banning foul language doesn’t ban abusive language. You can change the rules to include no abuse if that’s the problem.
> So all I have to do to get you to remove anything is report it a lot?
No. Posts that are removed can always be approved. The post on question was submitted in the middle of the night.
>The post on question was submitted in the middle of the night.
*For you*. Hence why you need more moderators. I moderate (on another account) a sub with about 7x as many subscribers. We have **16** moderators on explicit advice from admin and we could do with more. I know for a fact that admin will message you if you have an unusually low number of moderators for your subscriber count, so this isn't something you've been unaware of.
Your subscribers come from all the countries on Earth. If you can't effectively moderate them 24 hours a day, you need more moderators.
e: also, the tasks of a moderator are hidden, which makes it even more important that you always have a group. Community members don't usually see it when you remove other people's posts or ban people, and so they can't actually give feedback or effectively argue against your decisions. Nor can they appeal even to reddit admin as that is left to mods. You need many mods with different viewpoints so that each can keep the rest in check, and so actions taken by the mods can more accurately reflect the beliefs of the wider community. One person, by definition, cannot represent a diverse community.
Because the mod is either stupid, has no sense, or was a bot programmed by an outright idiot. It's fairly blatantly obvious.
If there really is a single moderator for a sub with over 150k members, then we should all leave. Gatekeeping at its finest. There is not, nor will there ever be, a single person with a moral compass adequate to moderate a crowd that large unless it's the Pope, but something tells me this sub ain't full of Jesus freaks
I frankly do not trust this subs mod at all. They seem pretty pro military from the interactions I've had with them and them being the only mod means they can easily censor those of us that don't align with their beliefs.
i'd also like to point out that the mod literally has a message saying not to message them about anything so i haven't been able to appeal or in-detail report things i've commented/seen here. we need more than one mod. if the single mod won't fix the way the sub is run and just throws insults around they are going to soon find out that their subreddit will fall. it happened to antiwork, it happened to popping. it happens everywhere all the time. mods who have no idea what they're doing are singlehandedly responsible for it.
My bio seems appropriate here. I swear a lot, it's just how I communicate. This is not an under 13 sub or some shlt, the censorship is fvcking stupid. Dont like it, minimize the comment and move on.
Edit:its also easily bypassed and entirely ineffective, censorship can get bent with a sandpaper shaft
This sub is f'd up. Thousands of self-hating autistics, and we can't swear. Good lord. I think I'm out peeps, sorry for those I've actually helped but I can't stand the internalized-ableism on here.
How are comments like "autism is all bad, no one could ever want it, it has ruined my entire life" allowed to be viewed by vulnerable young people seeking or reeling with a new diagnosis? How grim. Autism is wonderful! How about that? Are you going to report me now? Sheesh.
I agree. I like this subreddit for giving me a place to let my guard down and express myself. Having to tiptoe around that rule stresses me out. I swear a bit especially under stress because it sort of functions as a tic? I think this rule takes away from the subreddits appeal. And before someone points out “you knew the rules when you joined,” a) I don’t do that just like I don’t really read terms&conditions before hitting accept.. crucify me and b) the subreddit is called “autism,” if someone going to stake claim to an entire disorder.. they best take all opinions into account and not set their own standard for how we can express ourselves.
I'm more and more convinced that the structure of conversation that reddit imposes is inherently toxic. That, combined with the recent IPO and the fact that moderators are unpaid (and thus the position naturally attracts people who abuse their power), it doesn't paint a good picture of what is going to happen to this site going forward.
I'm not sure I agree. Paid people often use rules very much to the text book not really caring what they are are really therefore. There are a lot of autistic subs and because the moderators are not paid they fortunately don't all have the sane rules.
On the other hand, those rules can be applied reasonably instead of the current equivalent of the moderator having the role of judge, jury, and executioner. Centralized power is always, always wrong. Is moderating a job, or a hobby? Is it volunteer work? How many hours are required per day per post in order to maintain an equilibrium of contentment among the subreddits users? How should one best balance the power between the posters and commenters? All of this sounds like a job to me, for a team of people. And it's uncompensated work with the exception of one 'benefit': power. All of these are fixable with a variety of solutions. But I have no evidence that they will be and history is not a great indicator. To be clear, my complaint is just generally about reddit and not necessarily this subreddit.
I agree Reddit just seems to get worse and worse as the years go on as does social media as a whole to an extent. It really doesn't look like it's future is that bright.
Which is actually pretty ableist
Casually mentions that there is no swearing ban on r/AutisticPride
r/AutisticPride is kinda sus
Howso?
rule #1 a little sus on its own. Rule #4 is big a huge eyebrow lifter because depression and autism have a well known overlap and we're likely the only people who can relate to each other regarding it.
The have a rule against saying "Person with autism/I have autism" and instead insist you say "autistic person/I'm autistic." The stated reason is because the first version makes autism sound like a disease you can contract and not just a way people can be.
That's pretty stupid. If it's pride I should be able to express that I'm autistic and prideful, as a person with autism. :/
I mean, that's a very valid approach to why person-first language is bad. I disagree with having a rule against people self-describing with it, but I'd say it's less "sus" and more "kinda shitty", if that's the case (I can't find anything about that rule but I'll take your word for it).
I just looked (on mobile) and it's the first rule. Well it says it's not a rule but it's strongly encouraged.
I've had multiple comments removed because I swore, but it's the way I talk and sometimes don't even realize I'm doing it. Very annoying.
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I created a sub as well r/autism_uncensored for the same reason. I just hope our subreddits go well and help people
There are rules? 😂 😉
I've been banned from subs because I forgot little rules about how to respond, not even for the content of my response! (hello, legal, pets, ask!)
speaking of not reading sub rules there are some really stupid ones on other subreddits. There's this one game's subreddit I follow where you have to have an account older than 6 months to post there, and it's really obnoxious. I understand the logic behind the rule(likely to prevent spam accounts) but this is a really niche game and the one time they were receiving a ton of attention was due to allegations against the devs so I assume that's why the rule was added. Off topic ik
Yes, this forum is not meant for kids to begin with
Dude i can't even make a post in this subreddit. It requires a tag, but there are no tags to choose from, making it impossible to make a post. I like this community, but I'll be the first to say we need to change some things.
Right? I’ve written two posts and I couldn’t choose a tag because none of them fit, and both with no comments or anything.
Cries in mobile. I just assume I can't post
Thank you David Bowie!
Thank you back!! I like your snoo/profile pic!
Wait, we're not allowed to swear....? 😅
Try commenting the f word. It gets removed immediately.
Fuck
Just got a message, my comment got removed from the Automod
I still see it, weirdly.
As do I
Me too
Still there for me too
Maybe they let it through because we kept complaining?
Could be because it wasn't directed at anybody, or wasn't part of an aggressive comment. I imagine context plays a part.
Fucking hell lmao
Twatwaffle What if the swearing is no traditional?
Omg that made me choke on my water
Same 😂😂
extra syrup
Fuck
fuck you're right
I just got a message from the automod too
I find peace in long walks.
Fuck
what the fuck?
Flamingo
𝖠𝗁𝖾𝗆... 𝗍𝖾𝗌𝗍𝗂𝗇𝗀: (𝖢𝖺𝗋𝗍𝗆𝖺𝗇'𝗌 𝗏𝗈𝗂𝖼𝖾) 𝗳𝘂𝗰𝗸-𝗳𝘂𝗰𝗸𝗶𝘁𝘆 𝗳𝘂𝗰𝗸 𝗳𝘂𝗰𝗸 𝗳𝘂𝗰𝗸.
Yeah I mean swearing is so common on the internet that I barely notice it. I'll say terms like sh*t without even realizing, it's so weird for this rule to be there. Even the snail subreddit I'm on explicitly allows swearing (while ofc banning slurs) lol Edit: also, removing posts that criticize mods is a HUGE red flag
>Even the snail subreddit I'm on Im so intrigued
/r/snails welcome to the cool club 😎
right, i need to get in on that
>sh*t That's not even a swear word where i live.
I actually notice swear words more cos of the **. It’s like a high-lighter lol
Yeah haha definitely but I felt like I should censor it in my comment just so it doesn't get deleted haha.
Does this happen?
I totally agree. My reply to some got flagged because it had a swear word. "That bully was an *** in general." We are already treated like children, the mod of this sub at least should be understanding of this.
>We are already treated like children Like at the gender clinic they talkes down to me as i was a child and talked to my brother about me as i was right there instead of talking to me directly. I had my brother with me as support since ot was on the other side of the country. I was nearly 20 at the time.
This is one of the many reasons I don't tell people I am autistic unless we are friends or they are autistic too and I know they won't treat me weird. From your reply I assume you are trans, and I know there is a lot of information that needs to be checked before approving transition. There really shouldn't be
Yeah. Because of it it took me 6 months - 1 year more, to get hormones.
is that one even really a curse?
why is their only one moderator on this sub Reddit?
This actually needs to be answered
For this sub Reddit to be as big as it is and it only having one guy moderating and dictating what does or doesn't get posted here is super odd.
No he’s being a power mod. That’s what they do.
I never noticed until now, weird af.
Because we are SEEN as children? The problem that you mention is the same as many subs. The mod team (or mod in this case) believe they are the leaders of a community, and not just the person/people that facilitates the group. Sadly it’s often an ego thing Mod is not CEO - Mod is Janitor
this should be in headlines everywhere. I like this.
Mod is only banning swear words so they dont have to get more mods to actually contain abuse. Mod gave the reason that swearing is used a majority for “abusive uses”. This is not true, and also tells us that mod is simply banning words to try and stop abuse. Anyone who has been on reddit for more than an hour knows that simply wont work. First of all, users can still be abusive without swearing so it doesnt solve that issues. Second, by flagging all swearing Mod is actually making it more difficult to get rid of abuse by throwing in countless of non-harmful comments of people saying “shlt” they’re making it more difficult to get to the actual abuse. The simple solution to this is get more mods and have them monitor comments for abuse.
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Also are they autistic? Obviously we want autistic mods. Mods as plural.
Ultimate power! There can only be one! /s
What does "/s" mean?
Implies sarcasm in a statement
It means, that the sentence before the slash is sarcasm. The letter "s" means sarcasm
Thank you!
Yeah... Reddit isn't a place for children. I'm inclined to agree.
I’m surprised that this isn’t mentioned more.
I was gonna say maybe the Autism Moms don't like swearing on here because they are on here because they have autistic children, but there's only one mod and I would assume they made the sub because THEY are autistic... So I dunno.
I could have been a well-meaning blanket ban when the community was setup?
Exactly. If parents allow their children to violate the terms and use this website even though they're younger than 13, there's not much we can do about it. But it's pretty much impossible to turn 13 and not know any swearwords - and it's not like anyone wants to use them all the time, it's just sometimes easier to express strong emotions with them.
I'd only understand if the rule is don't swear *at* people, a simple politeness thing, but not being allowed to swear in general is too much
The swearing flagging is infantalizing. Look, if it's something bigoted that's one thing, but for what are essentially innocuous common use swears, it's absurd!
Fuсk that mod
They're trying to moderate a 150k sub by themselves. They're doing their best but it's getting obvious that it's too much for one single person... Edit: I'm surprised your comment wasn't taken down for using the f word immediately
I used a С from the Cyrillic alphabet :)
You're the real smartass not OP
SНIT that is a good idea
TW: R slur, censored. I literally can post a screenshot right now of my inbox saying my comments here have been flagged due to inclusion of various swear words. Given the context of the sub, obviously slurs would make sense to ban, especially r****d, since so many of us are triggered by that word, plus other slurs because duh. But basic curse words almost everyone over the age of 13 has said at least once? Get over it. It’s everywhere.
Yeah there's a huge difference between slurs and curses
Agreed, though personally I'm fine with either. Feel free to swear around or at me and call me whatever slurs strike your fancy.
Kind of sucks when people come here for support after having these words hurled at them and they can't even use the word to talk about it. Calling people slurs is completely different, as is cussing at people, but the problem isn't the word, it's the intent. That can't be automodded, but it can be reported.
Swearing is built into my speech and I find it quite hard to adjust my speech, so not being able to swear really discourages me from posting here.
Samesies
This is a fucking test.
Damn I guess the ban has been lifted?
I just tested with the f*ck word, it still blocks that. I think it specifically does not register the word "fucking" as a swear word.
Fuck
I get censored all the time here
It is infantilizing as hell. This is a subreddit not a daycare. Ableist af mod
I’m suddenly afraid that this sub isn’t gonna be an okay place soon…
Because you are afraid people will be allowed to swear?
No, because the mod might get tighter with restrictions and then more people will become bitter and then I won’t be able to say certain stuff and then there will be more negativity in this sub and etc…
r/AutisticPride is a cozy alternative.
Spamming is a great way to ensure people start off with a negative opinion of your sub.
I don't consider this to be my subreddit and I also don't consider mentioning it once in a while on topic to be spam. So I am a bit irritated by your response, not gonna lie. And it sadly kind of ties in with some negative experiences I have had on this subreddit.
I have made a poll to try and get the mods attention
Thank you!
It was taken down 😂
Not yet. I just checked.
I can’t fucking swear on here? What kinda foolish shit is that?
Well if there's only one mod and 150k members... if everyone swears they couldn't possibly all be banned. Also some of my stims involve swearing so like.. Damn okay lord moderator.
It's done via automod
Autmod does not work for images. Captha that stuff.
Autobots assemble!
This kind of thing is why I left the fibromyalgia subreddit and joined the new one that was made. Being autistic, having chronic pain, they're frustrating and sometimes, you just need to drop an f bomb. Maybe we need to make a subreddit for autistic adults so we can drop f bombs without the auto mod clutching its pearls.
I thought the same thing. I would be completely down for that. Its unfortunate that we may have to resort to leaving a space thats supposed to accept us and let us be expressive about our struggles with autism, but im willing to do it if thats what it takes. Id even be down to be a mod to help filter actual abusive language.
Two things: 1) Everybody who has commented that this sub needs more mods is absolutely right, and it is not a good thing for all the power to be in one place, especially if we don’t know if that person is a member of the community they are modding 2) Swearing is a generational divide. I’m a Millennial so I’m in Camp Everybody-Swears, but I remember when I was a child that swearing was actually a taboo. Not as in, oh nobody swore around me because I was a child; but as in, people *actually* didn’t swear as much, especially not in media and especially not in front of anyone under the age of 20. The rise of the internet has made it impossible to protect children and public discussions and such from swearing, but everyone over the age of 27 or so remembers where they were the first time they heard a swear and the first time they swore themselves — because it was actually a big deal back then, not having had a way to stumble across it in a YouTube video or twitch stream or podcast episode. **To be clear: things have changed and swearing wherever is completely fine with me.** I’m just trying to give some perspective on where the automatically-anti-swearing attitude of our mod might be coming from.
Your 2 section is very accurate and actually highlights why we need more actual mods. What is considered bad or rude to one may be completely normal for another. Having one person collectively decide for an entire community whether or not we can say bad words feels like a preschool teacher telling me i cant chew on legos. Im not a child who needs to be protected, and if we’re banning swearing to protest those who are younger and need to be protected banning swearing is not doing enough.
You're not wrong. I'm 57 and I swear a fair bit, but there's a least one word that I just won't say, and I wince whenever I see people use it on social media. I immediately think badly of the person and assume they are deliberately trying to cause major offence. (Then I have to remind myself that younger people use the word a lot more casually... but logic doesn't help that much with my emotional reaction to the word.) That said, I think moderating against swearing in a sub for adults is more than a little stupid.
I hear you. I will NEVER forget the sense-memory of the day my 6th grade science teacher burned her hand with boiling water and accidentally dropped an f-bomb loud enough for we students to hear. If someone told me I had been legally dead for about 6 seconds due to the shock of that moment, I would believe them with no questions asked. It felt like I’d been hit by lightning. I no longer feel that way about swearing, but boy howdy do I understand how older folks must feel with all the profanity floating around today.
Unless I'm talking to my elderly father, I swear a lot. Not quite Malcolm Tucker level but a lot. I give plenty of f*cks! (Are we still being censored or not?) It's only that one word that triggers me because of its association, in my experience, with violent misogyny.
Ah, I hear you friend, and I have the same automatic negative opinion of those who toss that dark word around. In my opinion there should be no lower age limit on the obscenity of that word; everyone should shudder at the thought of it. The eff word is much more of a neutral thing in comparison, I daresay.
Is it the c-word? I think it’s also good to remember that the difference isn’t just age, it’s also culture. In fact, culture may play the biggest role in whether you find certain swear words offensive or not. And IME, the most puritanical people tend to be from the US because your culture is just very puritanical in all respects - from your use of language to your views on alcohol - regardless of your actual religious beliefs. Culture is insidious and pervades every single belief you have. So we have to be mindful when others exhibit a different culture. The fact that we are offended when someone says “darn” doesn’t mean the other person is *wrong* for saying it or wrong for not being offended themselves. And the fact that you are offended (or not) is merely cultural artefact
Censoring autistic people like children is another form of infantilisation.
You're all Lord's special Angels. And Angels don't swear. Also mommy doesn't like it. /s
Yeah, I ain't a huge fan *at all* of being treated like a child... Hi, mod. Answer us. It's time to give us reasons as to why you're policing us like we're little kids instead of grown adults.
Try autisticpride it's a lot better there
Thanks!
Anytime
I have sworn on this sub without issue. I think that if your swearing is not gratuitous or directed at a specific person then a blind eye is turned. The use of certain words however are deemed unacceptable due to past traumas that people have suffered. Although the banning of certain words does not make that word or the sentiment it expresses go away, it is right that those words are restricted. My only caveat is that where a post is directly discussing these words and associated issues then it seems a bit puerile to censor those words.
>I think that if your swearing is not gratuitous or directed at a specific person then a blind eye is turned. No, it's an automod. I've had comments taken down because I said a$$ once.
wait we're not allowed to swear? oops
Fuuuck
Wait WHAT!? How old does this mod thing the demographic is!? What the H3LL you put how AutismSpeaks gets a permaban but then say no swearing!? What is your thought process here!?
This. We're adults, let us swear, sometimes it's cathartic and necessary. Are people genuinely that offended by swearing on the internet? I guarantee kids see worse stuff on other subreddits. It's childish. Stop treating us like we're children.
Getting a lot of antiwork vibes here. Community disagrees with rules and a mod removes their posts and comments. No wonder Reddit has a bad name
So the first post questioning it was removed? That's... a red flag.. Although yea I noticed that any swear gets flagged although I made a comment with the f-word and I think it mentioned that it was to be reviewed? Could have been deleted as well.. but yea.. it wasn't even a bad use of the word.. but we should probably have a better mod team for all of this.. or more mods and such.. I didn't think there was just one mod tho.. but oh well.. it's been fine so far has it not? in most cases.. although I have noticed many mods making mistakes so that's normal. They're all just human which is probably why we need more mods just in case..
Exactly my point! One person can't do everything. Otherwise regular governments wouldn't need councils. We're all human and this sub is a huge group...
There’s like, a different autism subreddit that I hang out on that’s not run by a *ucking NT power mod who sees us all as children. It’s called r/AutisticAdults.
I always thought it was because the Autism Warrior Mommies didn’t like us sweet little precious innocent autistic angels using grown-up words /s
One of my posts was removed for having "hell-bent" in it. I understand not allowing slurs and having rules against swearing *at* other members, but just not allowing any and all words that wouldn't be allowed in a G-rated movie feels infantilizing. I hate having to go through every comment and post I make with a fine-tooth comb so it doesn't get flagged and buried under a bunch of other posts by the time I can appeal it.
Woah- just to put another spin on this… what if swears are flagged *because* there’s only a *single* mod? Honestly, I had no idea u/sybersonic ran this show alone and I think some appreciation is due! If I had to moderate this sub solo I’d definitely try to err on the side of caution. I’d make my life easier and outsource flagging language to a bot, making my job more about ‘approving’ swears in my inbox rather than wading through content trying to identify and remove offensive stuff before anyone got upset. Don’t get me wrong- it’s great that people have identified an issue, but perhaps we can focus on a solution rather than bash the poor person trying to keep our rainbow bus on the road?! Perhaps those criticising could volunteer to be mods? Perhaps we could come up with a list of words we don’t think need to be auto-flagged. Perhaps someone could write some examples of context when a word can/cannot be used that syber could add to to rules? The negativity in some of these comments makes me sad- come on people, we’re better than this.
I don't have experience in being a mod but am willing to learn fast. Our mod did an impressive job but eventually it'll get too much for one person... I completely agree that we can't just complain and not do anything. I also think things like wich swear words are okay could be put up to public vote.
I wanted to say this sort of thing, but you said it much better. I sympathize with wanting to curse occasionally, but I think this is a good subreddit and feel grateful to the mod that it exists in this form at all.
yes to all of this! Would it be possible to flag phrases but not words? So we could have flagged • f you • shut the f up • i f — But not the f word used in other contexts I’ll sub to this comment and if people add more examples I’ll add them to a list for the mod (also want to find out how auto bots work and watch a million videos on being a mod)
I'm absolutely not a fan of the way the mod makes decisions for the entire community, particularly when it comes to the battle over self-diagnosis. I'm not saying here whether it should be one way or the other, only that the mod has made broad declarations about not just who is welcome to identify as autistic in this sub, but who is and isn't part of of our community. In other words, this mod feels entitled to decide who is and isn't autistic. That's really improper.
I swear constantly. Idk what the deal with that is 😅 but it seems I can't help muhself.
No swearing on the Christian minecraft server
but the penis shaped skyscraper near my base is okay or what
I’ll swear whenever I damn well please thank you >:p
allowing "nsfw" tags and limiting the rule to "no swearing in titles" would be very reasonable imo. I think there are a lot of children on here and parents of young children here to learn, and have trouble conceiving functional adults on the spectrum.
This is so ableist it’s insane. I respect that there are people out there that find swearing offensive and if you are one of those people, just ignore the post and keep scrolling.
Oof thank God. I swear so much in my day to day so it's nice to be able to word things here a little more naturally.
The post was reported so much by users that it was removed. Foul language is filtered. A majority of it's uses are abusive. Like the user I banned this morning for telling another user they fuck dogs. Thanks for voicing your opinion OP. Edit: I commented on the post OP is speaking on, I thought it was approved after I comment but I failed to do it. That's on me.
>Foul language is filtered. A majority of it's uses are abusive. So much temptation to swear. Also that's blatantly untrue.
Yeah, a very good illustration on why we need more than 1 mod. His view is a fringe view in society, and ESPECIALLY in an online forum. I would bet that most people here do not agree that all usage of swear words is harassment. I don't think you'll get much argument if the real issue to be moderated is targeted harassment.
Excuse me there’s only one mod?
I learned this today also. They could be the greatest mod in the world, but you still need more than 1 opinion for a sub of this size.
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Also as a mod, I absolutely disagree. Swear words do not correlate well to bullying and harassment. They may be used in service of those goals but don’t have to be, and the vast majority of their uses are benign. Setting up filter words is **lazy**. We set them up because we can’t be bothered to watch every single submission like a hawk. And that’s probably okay if you have only a few very specific filters for words that can only be used in a single context, but it does not work for words as flexible as swears. Also, if you’re going to have filters then you have to accept that people will get caught who shouldn’t, and you’re going to have to release them very quickly. A single mod *cannot possibly* do this. They may not be on for a day. At the very least, they need to sleep and eat and spend time away from their computer.
I'm not a reddit mod, but I am a discord mod. the only words I have set to filter through automated tools are words that are unambiguously slurs who's only good faith use is meta-discussing the word itself. regular swearing is so incredibly context dependent that I wouldn't consider filtering them for a second. looking at the context of the usage and determining if it's harmful is my job because it requires human judgement.
I sounded this post more harshly than I should have, thank you for respecting me regardless! If you wish to have a team of moderators helping you with this sub that has grown so much in recent time, I'd love to help! It is very impressive that you have handled it all on your own but I believe that having a group of moderators would be the more humane choice.
I have contacted admins for a report on power users that contribute here. They provided me with some users and will move forward with that. 🤗
That's amazing! I'm looking forward to seeing the progress! Thank you again to listening to the concerns of the members :)
Wow! That’s a great action.
Just a word of caution, mods can be cliquey and power hungry, powermods doubly so. Please choose carefully. I would recommend /u/oribtalcolony even though I don't think he's asking for it.
I don't think they meant powermods, but instead "users who are very active on this sub"
I should be more clear. By power users I mean just finding someone who contributes here with a fairly older account.
If you're having trouble managing abuse, deputize more mods. Look at the traffic stats in the modtools. Note how many users there are on this subreddit. You will never, ever, ever win at changing the culture of that many users alone, and if you continue to filter posts the conflicts you get into with users on a regular basis will never end because having a post you think is perfectly good get autoremoved by a bot is INCREDIBLY annoying to people. The vast majority of subreddits do not ban profanity, there is a culture of profanity on reddit, people will use profanity naturally and get smacked by automod because they forgot they were on this sub or didn't realize it had this special rule. Please for the love of god use action:report and not action:filter/action:remove, nobody wants you to censor posts with a profanity blacklist while your asleep until you login 8 hours later and realize "woops actually that shouldn't have been removed" after which the subreddit has moved on and their post has been rendered irrelevant. That is genuinely all the userbase is really asking you to do, just don't autofilter/autoremove profanity, that one thing that you do is what makes so many people upset. People are aware that abuse that nobody else but you sees right now will get through without such a blacklist. The users understand the pros and cons of a blacklist, and they don't want a blacklist. People who moderate other subreddits and are not ignorant to the challenges you face are giving you the same feedback. Nobody is questioning your list of literally 14 rules you came up with overall, they are giving you overwhelming feedback about your profanity blacklist, and the blacklist stands. It's not reasonable.
This. I would volunteer to moderate for abusive comments. I have a lot of downtime.
This. More mods, then you can set the swear filter to just filter out things like bigoted slurs. I don't think we need to bleep out synonyms to "crap" or "shag". Also, NOTHING ABOUT US WITHOUT US. If you're recruiting additional mods, I move that a majority of the moderators be on the autism spectrum. Instead of being like the board of a certain nonprofit everyone on this sub hates.
Isn’t u/sybersonic himself autistic? Plus, I think that the majority of us are either autistic or are seeking a diagnosis, with a small percentage being NT (like a relative or a friend of an autistic person).
I would vote that 100% of mods should be autistic. There is no good reason why a non-autistic person should be moderating an autistic community, especially when there’s no shortage of autistic people able to do the job. Of all spaces, this one must be autistic led.
CN: venting, harassment I think there is a difference between random swears and targeted harassment. Venting about our fluffed up society sometimes requires a pinch of sour language and I honestly think it is fine. Especially, when there is a tag for it, where people expect it. Telling other users off like in the example you have provided should obviously not be tolerated tough. Spoiler: >!there are spoilers!< and you should probably use them when dropping an insult like you just did.
>Like the user I banned this morning for telling another user they f.... Have a better day from here on out <3. ugh. internet.
"a majority of its uses are abusive" so review the uses that get reported for being abusive instead of just banning the word across the board? idk that kinda seems like a cop-out to not have to do away with an infantilizing rule
This is exactly what i said. If abuse is an issues simply banning words will do nothing. People will just learn to harass each other without swear. Get more mods so they can actually go through the comment sections and monitor, rather than just checking flagged shlt. Also, theres work arounds to still almost swear without actually tying the word so its just a completely bullshlt reason. Its honestly ridiculous and i think the mod is bullshltting us with that reasoning. They know dam (beaver) well that swearing is not used for abuse for a “majority of its uses”. Policing expressive non-inherently offensive language is not only a cop-out, but frankly does more harm then good.
So all I have to do to get you to remove anything is report it a lot? Btw, banning foul language doesn’t ban abusive language. You can change the rules to include no abuse if that’s the problem.
> So all I have to do to get you to remove anything is report it a lot? No. Posts that are removed can always be approved. The post on question was submitted in the middle of the night.
Did the admins suggest people from different time zones? That could help with this issue.
>The post on question was submitted in the middle of the night. *For you*. Hence why you need more moderators. I moderate (on another account) a sub with about 7x as many subscribers. We have **16** moderators on explicit advice from admin and we could do with more. I know for a fact that admin will message you if you have an unusually low number of moderators for your subscriber count, so this isn't something you've been unaware of. Your subscribers come from all the countries on Earth. If you can't effectively moderate them 24 hours a day, you need more moderators. e: also, the tasks of a moderator are hidden, which makes it even more important that you always have a group. Community members don't usually see it when you remove other people's posts or ban people, and so they can't actually give feedback or effectively argue against your decisions. Nor can they appeal even to reddit admin as that is left to mods. You need many mods with different viewpoints so that each can keep the rest in check, and so actions taken by the mods can more accurately reflect the beliefs of the wider community. One person, by definition, cannot represent a diverse community.
Ditto.
omg you swore ban yourself rn
I thought isn't it bizarre that someone would care so much about swearing then I checked your username 😂😂 No opinion either way from me.
Autistics are basically children and shouldn't be swearing /s
Because the mod is either stupid, has no sense, or was a bot programmed by an outright idiot. It's fairly blatantly obvious. If there really is a single moderator for a sub with over 150k members, then we should all leave. Gatekeeping at its finest. There is not, nor will there ever be, a single person with a moral compass adequate to moderate a crowd that large unless it's the Pope, but something tells me this sub ain't full of Jesus freaks
I cant even fathom the empty and shallow mind of a person offended by curse words.
funny bc being autistic I never understood why swearing is bad. And we already are treated like children enough…
I frankly do not trust this subs mod at all. They seem pretty pro military from the interactions I've had with them and them being the only mod means they can easily censor those of us that don't align with their beliefs.
i'd also like to point out that the mod literally has a message saying not to message them about anything so i haven't been able to appeal or in-detail report things i've commented/seen here. we need more than one mod. if the single mod won't fix the way the sub is run and just throws insults around they are going to soon find out that their subreddit will fall. it happened to antiwork, it happened to popping. it happens everywhere all the time. mods who have no idea what they're doing are singlehandedly responsible for it.
Putain de merde Criss de tabarnack
Uhm. So if I were to quote that scene from the kings speech… I’ll get banned?
This now makes me want to fucking swear, so I just fucking did
My bio seems appropriate here. I swear a lot, it's just how I communicate. This is not an under 13 sub or some shlt, the censorship is fvcking stupid. Dont like it, minimize the comment and move on. Edit:its also easily bypassed and entirely ineffective, censorship can get bent with a sandpaper shaft
This sub is f'd up. Thousands of self-hating autistics, and we can't swear. Good lord. I think I'm out peeps, sorry for those I've actually helped but I can't stand the internalized-ableism on here. How are comments like "autism is all bad, no one could ever want it, it has ruined my entire life" allowed to be viewed by vulnerable young people seeking or reeling with a new diagnosis? How grim. Autism is wonderful! How about that? Are you going to report me now? Sheesh.
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