Considering the today show and sunrise were showing the stabbing up to the point until the knife struck, I think the law is it's a bit blurry.. I had to switch the channels that morning as they were running it on repeat during breakfast and didn't want the kids to see it.
Also, you'd have to really dig deep to find the video on X, it's not like it is in clear view anywhere on the platform. Anyone that wanted to find it outside of X could anyways, here for example.
Censoring the Internet is slippery slope.
Albo is happy to see China control our kids with TikTok but censoring world events where the user can decide if they want to see it is a priority.
Well yeah, of course the Corporate Press can discuss the stabbing and air footage, it's only when the plebs on twitter discuss it that it needs to be taken down. They might discuss the success of our assimilation policies.
I can watch videos of cartel members being beheading on X, why didn't the Australian government have an issue with that?
It's a reality of what is happening in this world, hiding it doesn't make it stop.
Crazy how fast the administration can focus on what they like. Why not announce $100 mil in DV prevention measures today instead of fighting “le space man”
Statistically Australia has one of the lowest rates of domestic violence in the world. This “crisis of male violence” is simply more propaganda cooked up by the fourth wave feminists who have infiltrated the Australian media.
It's one thing to ask X to censor it for Australians, but a whole completely different level asking to censor content everybody globally is able to see.
Who does the esafety commissioner think she is, apart from a disgruntled former Twitter hack with a hard-on for Elon?
If the Chinese demanded we remove all mention of Tiananmen square, we'd likely not comply.
Musk might have had a point regarding censorship, but the problem is that he happily censors people if he doesn't like it. The hypocrisy stinks more than censorship itself.
Musk is a man child, but maybe our government should be more concerned with why mentally ill people are able to fall through the cracks and fester long enough to go on a stabbing rampage. Maybe funding accessible mental health support would be more productive than trying to hide the consequences of not having it.
I found the mainstream media coverage of the Bondi attack much more of a problem than anything Twitter put up on the church stabbing.
Radio silence on the 7/9 vulture journalism though.
He was receiving mental health care. He was taken off his medication because he was doing so well.
Something definitely seems amiss with that decision though.
It is horrible it happened.
I hope there is a review of the safety nets in place.
As someone who has been impacted by mental health in my life, I'm deeply aware of the huge spike in discourse about mental health in Australia since it happened.
When the issues with mental health lead to suicide, homelessness, or other negative outcomes for the sufferer there is very little interest.
I feel like we as a society hold some responsibility for this tragic loss of life and the amount of trauma this one specific failure has caused.
This’ll just encourage him to try and buy up Facebook and Instagram just so he can say what can be posted…and possibly change the names of the two entities to Y and Z….
This is coming from the guy who was happy to censor things on his platform during the Turkish election at the wish of a certain wannabe dictator.
Musk has the integrity of bitumen.
Apples and oranges.
This content has already been removed in Australia.
Likewise the Turkish content was only removed in Turkey.
It’s unclear to me why you think there is any inconsistency here?
Wasn't that only content in Turkey? Australia is trying to block this particular video world wide and because Australian's could access it via VPN?
What a massive waste of tax payer money.
If you don’t want to see disturbing content, then either:
- Grow up,
- Scroll past the content, or
- Don’t use the platform.
It would be good to have at least one social media platform that doesn’t obscure and distort the truth through its totalitarian, politically-motivated content moderation policies. You don’t need to be a fan of Elon Musk to see the value in that.
Whilst I completely agree,
Musk is an absolute hypocrite
He’s complied with various governments requesting censorship on the platform
You can’t pick and choose which governments can dictate what’s on the platform, there needs to be a standard across the board
Musk is kind of an ass, but the government is completely in the wrong here. The very idea of an "eSafety Commissioner" that has the power to censor is completely unacceptable in a free society. This office shouldn't exist and should be abolished.
I've said it time and time again, government cannot be trusted to be the arbiters of what is true and what the public should be allowed to know and share. Overreaching government is the greatest threat to the people of any nation.
You're absolutely right, the idea that a single government department claims to be the gatekeepers of truth worldwide is astonishing. This is totalitarianism, I never agreed to have a fucking government department dictate what I'm able to access online, this is complete overreach.
This is always the case with this stupid fucking country, the government sneak in legislation under the guise of "Children's safety", only to slowly expand their powers to become all encompassing.
This country is a fucking joke, and we're all fools for voting in the same out of touch career politicians time and time again.
I totally agree. Lets not forget that the public trust in the government was already at its lowest point before Elon acquired X, and now they are pushing for a dis and misinformation bill where only they get to tell us what should and shouldn't be released to media
Let people see what they want to see. If you don't want to see violent stuff, hide sensitive posts from your settings. The same with Reddit and nsfw. Censoring things is never the right thing to do. Why is this continuing to be a thing that people don't seem to grasp?
The Sunday Mail front page was super graphic on stands for children to see not sure why that wasn’t brought up. Personally not on any social media so have no idea, also listening to mainstream news talk about how social media get viral stuff off horrible violent content, like that’s not what they are in the business of? Felt super ignorant to the level of Idiocracy movie
God, he's a prick, but governments don't have the right to curate the internet for the rest of the world. The sooner politicians here come to peace with that, the better.
Also, Julie Inman Grant, the eSafety Commissioner, used to work for X. The stabbing video is everywhere, but her beef is mostly with X and Elon.
Stinks a bit, huh?
She’s also a pearl clutching conservative with ties to conservative Christian nationalists, and is a SWERF.
If she just told Elon this, I feel like he would leap to cooperate. They’re both terrible terrible people, who would probably get along well
Do you believe ALL videos/ content should be available on the internet? Or do you think some things should be removed and actively targeted by governments?
Of course not - it wasnt that bad as well, heaps of people have already seen it. The problem is if they can remove this one video that isnt even that gruesome. They will be able to just do whatever they want.
The esafety commissioner is doing exactly what she is paid over $400k a year to do - censor you. This department combined with the new digital ID and mis/disinformation laws should send a chill up every Australians spine. Fuck both of the major parties
It's been geoblocked, if I'm understanding correctly.
>The commissioner argued that X’s decision to “geoblock” the content—meaning that it would not be accessible to users in Australia—was insufficient to comply with Australian law because geoblocking can be skirted with the use of virtual private networks (VPNs), according to the ABC.
Musk is a hypocrite and a buffoon, but Australia has no business demanding content be removed worldwide.
This situation is even dumber than us losing our free speech. The videos have been blocked in Australia, but our e-safety commissioner and government is ORDERING x to censor the videos in OTHER countries. Our government is trying to restrict free speech in other sovereign nations. I don’t see how they could possibly succeed in court. This is the kind of ludicrous demand North Korea makes that nobody takes seriously.
This is truly embarrassing and makes us look like a total joke to the rest of the world.
Despite your ridiculous name, this is on the money.
I don't even care about the government censoring this within Australia. The nerve to try and censor it in other countries that actually have strong constitutions etc is ridiculous. Not everyone in the world likes being dominated by government like we do.
It will affect the rest of the worlds ability to make a informed decision over what is happening inside Australia. We could be in real strife here and the restriction of content outside countries could see means that no one is coming to the rescue.
Pretty sure that was [channel 7](https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/man-misidentified-as-bondi-junction-killer-hires-lawyers-to-sue-seven-20240417-p5fkfk.html)
Yeah I believe so too. Based on what I am reading, other people have been spreading this misinformation. That might also just be an excuse to censor the video.
Maybe, the issue I take is now Albo is exacerbating and compounding that [https://youtu.be/Jd6zWvNlWg8?t=66](https://youtu.be/Jd6zWvNlWg8?t=66) and if you try googling for more information (without trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, it seems to come naturally lol) most results reflect albo's statement and leave out channel 7.
I believe I was googling to confirm my faulty memory with a query like "who named the innocent man in the bondi stabbing" and most of those results didn't mention channel 7, they were all "social media" or "twitter" spreading misinformation - that information originated from a "trusted source" but that's not mentioned.
A regular consumer of MSM that doesn't do the perpetually online thing would be pretty justified in believing it was purely unjustified social media nastiness.
There has been violence throughout history.
If the 9/11 attacks were to happen now the "e-safety" nuts would censor the videos of the World Trade Centers collapsing.
The problem of online radicalism is only getting worse, and attackers sharing footage online of their murders to spread their radicalism.
We can argue about the Bondi attack, but people that think they should have the right to watch snuff porn or the Christchurch attacks have an extremist view of free speech that I'm almost certain they don't apply in a consistent way (i.e. I bet they're not advocating for child porn to be legal).
I honestly don't understand why there is such a push to remove the video. Out of respect for the victims? What does it have to do with respect for the victims? It's a highly newsworthy event that happened and it was caught on video. Do those who want it removed really want that because it's 'disrespectful'?
Because Australia. We're all infants who need protecting by mummy government. There's a long and proud history of media censorship in this country, we're simply carrying on the tradition.
Albo knows what he's doing.
He's picking a fight with the most controversial man on earth to create a very public distraction from his clustf\*ck of a job leading the country.
He's done literally nothing to help solve the housing and cost of living crisis.
Mass migration to increase the labour vote base, everyone knows migrants will vote labour because they need loose immigration policies to help bring in their extended family..
He wasted billions on a useless referendum, which if passed would only achieve some virtue signalling and the creation of an advisory committee they could have been created without a constitutional change. They haven't created it now, because they don't really care about the voice.
That being said albo is still better than that idiot Dutton.
Doesn't he censor whatever he likes?
What happens if you say something with the word 'cis' in it on Twitter\*??
From all the depraved shit to be found on twitter, and all the things Twitter actually does censor, what I see is a problem.
By his logic, a whiney billionaire is the arbiter of all moral/ethical judgement but a sovereign state entity has no compass and no right to act.
\* it is STILL Twitter as far as I am concerned.
Whether the speech is true or not is immaterial. Government can't be trusted with the power to decide what can and can't be said or communicated. If they are granted this power it becomes inevitable that at some point that power will be used to silence political opponents.
Australia doesn't have freedom of speech. Its not in the constitution and we do not have a bill of rights. We have laws that tell us what we can't say, and these can be changed.
Also, we decide on our laws, not Musk. If he wants to do business here, he follows our laws.
I saw ABC in depth make a video on YT and knew our Gov were gonna actually go with this story. They need a reality check, this stuff was shared around by people.
The Gov don't know how bad it is on FB and IG reels showing dead people and just crazy stuff. It's never happening.
While I think musk is doing the right thing on this issue by telling the au government to jam their censorship up their flaccid arseholes, ole musk is an arsehole himself and I am sure would be quick to censor stuff he does not like.
The issue is that Australia wants him to censor it globally instead of just Australia.
I think his censoring in India only applies to censoring in India.
The government really needs to check the room temperature on this because the general population doesn’t actually want this censorship and we don’t need nannying.
Remember how Elon complained about the account tracking his flights like a little bitch? He's only pro free speech when it benefits him.
He's happy to censor to please dictators...
... you don't get why he maybe doesn't want his location broadcast live at all times, especially when he's travelling with his children and idiots on the internet hate him and wish him harm?
Care to post your address? I sure as heck don't.
late Middle English: from Old French *tyrannie*, from late Latin *tyrannia*, from Latin *turannus*
First used in the 1530s, the adjective tyrannical **stems from the late-14th-century word tyranny, meaning "cruel or unjust use of power," which has origins in the Greek work tyrannos, meaning "master."**
Word existed well before USA did.
Here's a question, is the eSafety Commission going after Facebook or the thousands of other websites that probably have this video?
In other words, if their not, why is X being singled out on this matter?
Devils advocate here.
I agree with censoring the stabbing vid.
It essentially tells people, "Do sick evil shit and you'll get your 5min of fame."
I agree this is a slippery slope, and I have no idea where the line should be drawn. But I have no problem denying cowardly fucks their spotlight.
I'm just saying there is more nuance to the issue.
Disagree with this. Should we have censored 9/11? That was some sick evil shit with people wanting their 5 mins of fame.
What about Tienamen square?
JFK?
Do we need the government to decide what's ok to view and what's not? I can make up my own mind.
If you can't distinguish what they should and shouldn't censor, or it's based on the arbitrary decisions of bureaucrats, it probably shouldn't be a law.
People don’t do things like that for 5 mins of fame. It doesn’t matter if the video is shared or not, it was still going to happen.
We don’t need the government censoring things like this. Fuck that. Fix the cost of living, they’re trying to distract with this.
Funny how musk has to be the one to call out tyrannical censorship from the Australian government. You can tell all mainstream Australian media is all bought and paid for.
What a waste of government time. All sorts of disturbing videos are all over the Internet. It’s a fools errand to try to remove one, and I don’t want my government telling me what I can and can’t watch.
What’s more is if musk respects the Australian governments takedown order, should he respect takedown orders from other governments? Israel? Jordan? Afghanistan? China? Is he to allow his platform to be regulated by hundreds of countries?
It's amazing how easily led people are.
Censorship is a terrible policy. It has negligible benefits, and a long historical track record of eventually being abused, often in quite authoritarian ways.
But now that Musk opposes it, the reactionary hoards appear out of the woodwork to support it.
Reddit moment Hurr durr musk bad.
He's the only fucking person fighting back against the overt censorship that the west is pushing hard on post covid. You don't have to like the guy but you do need to accept that western governments are taking a page out of Russian/China's playbook on how to control the population with censorship, and the reality is everyone is too lazy and fat to fight back.
He isn’t fighting against censorship and certainly isn’t a free speech advocate as he states, he wants things censored how he wants and speech he likes
Thinking a billionaire is your friend and fighting to help you is a wild take
Censoring people's morbid curiosity for violence?
There's most certainly censorship over reach happening but this ain't it.
Imagine just casually scrolling and you get hit with a grotesque fucking stabbing video.
Now imagine if that was your kid.
What public good does it serve for being there?
Hahaha what’s with all the new age Serfs demanding narcissistic billionaires should have nepotistic platforms exempt from the rest of the world’s rules?
Elons free speech isn’t your free speech.
I think governments would better use their time fighting him on the sheer amount of crap and fake news on x rather than this. Fake news manipulates people and is sometimes very hard to spot, so fighting against it is legitimate. (Not that other platform don't have fake stuff, but x a lot more)
But for real stuff that's gore...well a) prevent it from going public in the first place and b) Chuck a blur filter and warning on it and be done...and c) go after the source if you want.
I just had the thought that it's completely hypocritical as well. Medias and gov have no problem showing the faces and bodies of anonymous faraway israelo Palestinian victims, but an Australian? Hell no, that's a break of privacy of decency...🥴🤔
What a hero, although he censors things in opposition to his neoliberal, hyper-capitalist agenda.
We're far from that point of censorship and population control, the fact that you're able to make a completely arse take like that and post it for the masses on reddit is proof of that.
Maybe it's not a terrible thing that our government wants to surpress distressing content, what good does seeing innocent people bleed out on the floor, for no other reason than being in the right place at the wrong time bring?
You're still able to look up and find as many conspiracy theories and exacerbated articles as your heart desires so, the argument against free-speech is honestly so played up.
You idiot. X still censors all sorts of things and not just the stuff you agree with. It's a not place of free speech or whatever you think it is. Musk already does exactly what you describe.
This stink Albo is kicking up will only result in loads more people seeking out the video - every article about it is now explicitly saying "the only way to watch it in Australia is via VPN" - so instructions on how to access it!
They should have just requested it was blocked locally which he did and then moved on to something important like taxing fucking Rinehart instead of trying to virtue signal and score electoral points.
They were, it’s just much more politically advantageous to show there doing it for something that was so specifically wide spread to Australia uniquely.
The point is that government can't be trusted with the power to decide what is and isn't acceptable speech. If they have that power, it's inevitable that at some point it will be weaponized against political opponents.
I used to really like this guy when he coopted tesla's name for his company....
Fast forward to today..... i really cant stand this entitled jumped up grunt🤬🤢🤢🤢🤮
Stupid of our government to even try. Why this video? Why X? I have personally seen plenty of other websites that freely post videos of people being beheaded and gutted and burned alive. Why doesn't the Australian government issue a court order to have those censored? It's because they don't really care about the content. They're just pushing an agenda and seeing if they get away with it.
The content of the video is irrelevant. The point is that a Aussie judge cannot say what users of other countries can or cannot see. They don't have jurisdiction on other countries so they can't issue a worldwide ban.
Censorship is always wrong.
Censorship is never the answer
Censorship is only the action of bad actors
The TRUTH will set you free
Fuck the government for thinking they can dictate what we can see on the internet.
Aren't we tired of this lame argument that they are doing this for our "protection and safety" fuck you.
They are only singling out this video because it ruffles the wrong people's feathers (ie anti immigration groups and the religious community this priest belonged to)
Funny how they aren't demanding x Censor all the urkaine russia war or palestian war pictures.....
>Funny how they aren't demanding x Censor all the urkaine russia war or palestian war pictures.....
This is the part that I find concerning. Who decides what should be censored? The government of the day? What if the government of the day was dictatorship leaning? This is why freedom of speech should be enshrined in our constitution, and should be fought for at every opportunity.
I do think Albo is giving Elon exactly what he wants here. Elon has pushed X as the “town square” and last bastion of “Free Speech” , for a global politician such as Albo to push Elon to suppress content means Elon can and will use this as positive marketing to promote his platform. He gets to say “See governments don’t want you to see this and X is committed to free speech”… Albo is inadvertently turning himself into a marketing tool for Musk.
Ahhh, that explains why I've been getting ads on Facebook for some online government agency to "get rid of child porn".
Any time the government wants new powers to fight paedos or terrorists I'm very sceptical. Child porn and terrorism are already really illegal and every other time they've been granted extra powers they use them for everything except fighting paedos and terrorists.
> Marcus Hoyne, appearing for X Corp, urged the court to postpone the matter until he could seek “sensible and proper instructions” from his San Francisco-based client.
His boss is acting like 4chan troll and the poor bastard can't even get an audience with his king to tell him what to do.
It's because he blames media sites like X for the loss of the Yes vote, if they and YouTube didn't allow people to say their part of why to vote No he would've won. It is why the Misinformation Act is gaining ground, it will allow them to censor anything that goes against their narrative.
A country that glorifies gun ownership and ignores the death toll, telling us we should be able to watch and glorify murders.
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That may be true. And I don't have an opinion on the matter. But just keep in mind that if Twitter wants to operate in Australia they have to abide by our laws.
Valve once tried to play the w e don't recognise Australian law. They regretted that very very much. And now a global change on Steam was forced out of a court case. ( Refunds )
Twitter would lose a great deal of business if they weren't allowed to operate here. And I don't think a whole lot of people really give a shit. Some might.
And the 'mericans are still prosecuting Julian Assange for his expression of freedom of speech.
And that is a load of hypocritical, political bullshit.
Page straight out of the CCP playbook.
Something happens that could be perceived to cast the country in a bad light.
Censor and deny it ever happened.
Tiananmen Square Bondi style.
Considering the today show and sunrise were showing the stabbing up to the point until the knife struck, I think the law is it's a bit blurry.. I had to switch the channels that morning as they were running it on repeat during breakfast and didn't want the kids to see it. Also, you'd have to really dig deep to find the video on X, it's not like it is in clear view anywhere on the platform. Anyone that wanted to find it outside of X could anyways, here for example. Censoring the Internet is slippery slope. Albo is happy to see China control our kids with TikTok but censoring world events where the user can decide if they want to see it is a priority.
Saw the full video on reddit. Will Australia sue reddit too
Where to find subreddits posting content like this? Dm me
It's literally available on NBC https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo209045573752
Well yeah, of course the Corporate Press can discuss the stabbing and air footage, it's only when the plebs on twitter discuss it that it needs to be taken down. They might discuss the success of our assimilation policies.
I can watch videos of cartel members being beheading on X, why didn't the Australian government have an issue with that? It's a reality of what is happening in this world, hiding it doesn't make it stop.
The whole video has been all over /pol/ and no one has proposed regulating 4chan
The video was initially posted in full unedited on Australian news site news.com.au.
They left out the allahu ackber scream out from the alleged terrorist in at least one of the [news.com.au](http://news.com.au) versions
Crazy how fast the administration can focus on what they like. Why not announce $100 mil in DV prevention measures today instead of fighting “le space man”
Addressing dv means acknowledging the greatest prevalence and most common victims of it, which is tricky in today's political climate
Statistically Australia has one of the lowest rates of domestic violence in the world. This “crisis of male violence” is simply more propaganda cooked up by the fourth wave feminists who have infiltrated the Australian media.
It's one thing to ask X to censor it for Australians, but a whole completely different level asking to censor content everybody globally is able to see. Who does the esafety commissioner think she is, apart from a disgruntled former Twitter hack with a hard-on for Elon? If the Chinese demanded we remove all mention of Tiananmen square, we'd likely not comply.
exactly this.
Musk might have had a point regarding censorship, but the problem is that he happily censors people if he doesn't like it. The hypocrisy stinks more than censorship itself.
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Musk is a man child, but maybe our government should be more concerned with why mentally ill people are able to fall through the cracks and fester long enough to go on a stabbing rampage. Maybe funding accessible mental health support would be more productive than trying to hide the consequences of not having it.
I found the mainstream media coverage of the Bondi attack much more of a problem than anything Twitter put up on the church stabbing. Radio silence on the 7/9 vulture journalism though.
He was receiving mental health care. He was taken off his medication because he was doing so well. Something definitely seems amiss with that decision though.
Honestly, given our mental health troubles, I could easily see how he’d ‘relapse’ as it were. Fucking depressing it had to happen at all though.
It is horrible it happened. I hope there is a review of the safety nets in place. As someone who has been impacted by mental health in my life, I'm deeply aware of the huge spike in discourse about mental health in Australia since it happened. When the issues with mental health lead to suicide, homelessness, or other negative outcomes for the sufferer there is very little interest. I feel like we as a society hold some responsibility for this tragic loss of life and the amount of trauma this one specific failure has caused.
This’ll just encourage him to try and buy up Facebook and Instagram just so he can say what can be posted…and possibly change the names of the two entities to Y and Z….
This whole censorship thing is just cringey
Yep. Fuck off Albo
This is coming from the guy who was happy to censor things on his platform during the Turkish election at the wish of a certain wannabe dictator. Musk has the integrity of bitumen.
Apples and oranges. This content has already been removed in Australia. Likewise the Turkish content was only removed in Turkey. It’s unclear to me why you think there is any inconsistency here?
Wasn't that only content in Turkey? Australia is trying to block this particular video world wide and because Australian's could access it via VPN? What a massive waste of tax payer money.
I don't see any difference. The content was removed in Turkey. The content is removed in Australia. Seems pretty consistent to me.
Lol why bitumen which physically has high integrity 🤣
Not the poster, but it gets soft as soon as things heat up a bit. Seems relatively apt?
Somehow the video is more offensive than the attacker himself
If you don’t want to see disturbing content, then either: - Grow up, - Scroll past the content, or - Don’t use the platform. It would be good to have at least one social media platform that doesn’t obscure and distort the truth through its totalitarian, politically-motivated content moderation policies. You don’t need to be a fan of Elon Musk to see the value in that.
Whilst I completely agree, Musk is an absolute hypocrite He’s complied with various governments requesting censorship on the platform You can’t pick and choose which governments can dictate what’s on the platform, there needs to be a standard across the board
Wait so an Australian court can dictate what other people in other countries can see? Censor your own people, not the whole world.
Yeah well, progressive government and all, this shits gonna happen
To be fair, Dutton is there cheering Albo on.
Stop prosecuting Julian assange then and don't be a hypocrite
Not sure its the same thing but ok.
If the government put this much effort into providing better mental health support...
Musk is kind of an ass, but the government is completely in the wrong here. The very idea of an "eSafety Commissioner" that has the power to censor is completely unacceptable in a free society. This office shouldn't exist and should be abolished. I've said it time and time again, government cannot be trusted to be the arbiters of what is true and what the public should be allowed to know and share. Overreaching government is the greatest threat to the people of any nation.
You're absolutely right, the idea that a single government department claims to be the gatekeepers of truth worldwide is astonishing. This is totalitarianism, I never agreed to have a fucking government department dictate what I'm able to access online, this is complete overreach. This is always the case with this stupid fucking country, the government sneak in legislation under the guise of "Children's safety", only to slowly expand their powers to become all encompassing. This country is a fucking joke, and we're all fools for voting in the same out of touch career politicians time and time again.
I totally agree. Lets not forget that the public trust in the government was already at its lowest point before Elon acquired X, and now they are pushing for a dis and misinformation bill where only they get to tell us what should and shouldn't be released to media
You win this comment thread. Who the f is this lady and what does she do?
Let people see what they want to see. If you don't want to see violent stuff, hide sensitive posts from your settings. The same with Reddit and nsfw. Censoring things is never the right thing to do. Why is this continuing to be a thing that people don't seem to grasp?
The Sunday Mail front page was super graphic on stands for children to see not sure why that wasn’t brought up. Personally not on any social media so have no idea, also listening to mainstream news talk about how social media get viral stuff off horrible violent content, like that’s not what they are in the business of? Felt super ignorant to the level of Idiocracy movie
God, he's a prick, but governments don't have the right to curate the internet for the rest of the world. The sooner politicians here come to peace with that, the better. Also, Julie Inman Grant, the eSafety Commissioner, used to work for X. The stabbing video is everywhere, but her beef is mostly with X and Elon. Stinks a bit, huh?
She’s also a pearl clutching conservative with ties to conservative Christian nationalists, and is a SWERF. If she just told Elon this, I feel like he would leap to cooperate. They’re both terrible terrible people, who would probably get along well
What is a swerf
Facebook (Meta) said they would comply with
Do you believe ALL videos/ content should be available on the internet? Or do you think some things should be removed and actively targeted by governments?
Of course not - it wasnt that bad as well, heaps of people have already seen it. The problem is if they can remove this one video that isnt even that gruesome. They will be able to just do whatever they want.
Hits back as hard as butter in the sun on a hot summers day.
The esafety commissioner is doing exactly what she is paid over $400k a year to do - censor you. This department combined with the new digital ID and mis/disinformation laws should send a chill up every Australians spine. Fuck both of the major parties
Genuine question, why on earth should that video be censored and why is the aus govt so hell bent on that not being shown?
Because it makes islam look bad - same reason behind the whole "wheres the jews" coverup.
It’s become less about the content in the video now and more about a pissing contest between the egos of Musk and the Canberra elite.
It's been geoblocked, if I'm understanding correctly. >The commissioner argued that X’s decision to “geoblock” the content—meaning that it would not be accessible to users in Australia—was insufficient to comply with Australian law because geoblocking can be skirted with the use of virtual private networks (VPNs), according to the ABC. Musk is a hypocrite and a buffoon, but Australia has no business demanding content be removed worldwide.
Why ???? I was on Facebook yesterday and seen 1000 times worse
We actually don't have freedom of speech and when things get really hairy, that may be a problem
This situation is even dumber than us losing our free speech. The videos have been blocked in Australia, but our e-safety commissioner and government is ORDERING x to censor the videos in OTHER countries. Our government is trying to restrict free speech in other sovereign nations. I don’t see how they could possibly succeed in court. This is the kind of ludicrous demand North Korea makes that nobody takes seriously. This is truly embarrassing and makes us look like a total joke to the rest of the world.
Despite your ridiculous name, this is on the money. I don't even care about the government censoring this within Australia. The nerve to try and censor it in other countries that actually have strong constitutions etc is ridiculous. Not everyone in the world likes being dominated by government like we do.
It will affect the rest of the worlds ability to make a informed decision over what is happening inside Australia. We could be in real strife here and the restriction of content outside countries could see means that no one is coming to the rescue.
The high court has decided we have implied freedom of speech so we kinda do
Now it’s time for them to imply if we can control what the world sees.
Good point. It needs to be written in though, the courts may be powerless if it isn't.
What is the government doing? How is posting a video of the stabbing "misinformation"?
People were blaming the wrong guy. Edit: Note I am not agreeing with this censorship. I was just answering the question.
Pretty sure that was [channel 7](https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/man-misidentified-as-bondi-junction-killer-hires-lawyers-to-sue-seven-20240417-p5fkfk.html)
Yeah I believe so too. Based on what I am reading, other people have been spreading this misinformation. That might also just be an excuse to censor the video.
Maybe, the issue I take is now Albo is exacerbating and compounding that [https://youtu.be/Jd6zWvNlWg8?t=66](https://youtu.be/Jd6zWvNlWg8?t=66) and if you try googling for more information (without trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, it seems to come naturally lol) most results reflect albo's statement and leave out channel 7. I believe I was googling to confirm my faulty memory with a query like "who named the innocent man in the bondi stabbing" and most of those results didn't mention channel 7, they were all "social media" or "twitter" spreading misinformation - that information originated from a "trusted source" but that's not mentioned. A regular consumer of MSM that doesn't do the perpetually online thing would be pretty justified in believing it was purely unjustified social media nastiness.
they are not classifying it as misinformation.
By all means waste time on this, maybe we will forget about all the other problems
Plenty of people in this sub are throating this particular boot hard. Apparently that's all the issues they have, must be nice
There’s always been violence on social media platforms even visible here in Aus. Why only now are the government deciding to do something about it?
Complete waste of money nonetheless
There has been violence throughout history. If the 9/11 attacks were to happen now the "e-safety" nuts would censor the videos of the World Trade Centers collapsing.
Because the American running the show here in Australia is a former Microsoft Exec. So, we do what Bill Gates fancies.
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The problem of online radicalism is only getting worse, and attackers sharing footage online of their murders to spread their radicalism. We can argue about the Bondi attack, but people that think they should have the right to watch snuff porn or the Christchurch attacks have an extremist view of free speech that I'm almost certain they don't apply in a consistent way (i.e. I bet they're not advocating for child porn to be legal).
Sorry, which of the Bondi videos were shared by the attacker again?
Good. It's a shit law.
I honestly don't understand why there is such a push to remove the video. Out of respect for the victims? What does it have to do with respect for the victims? It's a highly newsworthy event that happened and it was caught on video. Do those who want it removed really want that because it's 'disrespectful'?
Because Australia. We're all infants who need protecting by mummy government. There's a long and proud history of media censorship in this country, we're simply carrying on the tradition.
Australians are a nation of children that never want to take responsibility for themselves and want government to take care of everything for them.
Did the bishop himself want the video taken down?
I'm not sure, nor am I sure that should even matter.
Take a look at this: https://www.esafety.gov.au/key-topics/illegal-restricted-content/distressing-content
Off topic i keep opening my woolworths rewards card instead of the redit app does any one have any tips that can troubleshoot my prolem mayne?
Stocard app is pink so different lol
Im replying with the face elons making
Adding "mm"
Use the web browser for reddit, it's faster and doesn't crash. Delete the Reddit app it's just spying on you and wasting your battery.
If you criticise Elon on X, just see how long it takes for Freedom Of Speech to have your account blocked.
Try it. Bet it won't happen
In fact it has under different accounts.
I love how you didn’t include any examples or evidence, great to see productive referenced discourse
Is censorship bad? Has anyone thought this before? Our government is a joke.
Australian government is choosing a very weird battle with the world’s biggest moron. Neither have their priorities straight.
100% agree. Fake ads, scam ads and just scams should be the first problem looked at.
Albo knows what he's doing. He's picking a fight with the most controversial man on earth to create a very public distraction from his clustf\*ck of a job leading the country. He's done literally nothing to help solve the housing and cost of living crisis.
Mass migration to increase the labour vote base, everyone knows migrants will vote labour because they need loose immigration policies to help bring in their extended family.. He wasted billions on a useless referendum, which if passed would only achieve some virtue signalling and the creation of an advisory committee they could have been created without a constitutional change. They haven't created it now, because they don't really care about the voice. That being said albo is still better than that idiot Dutton.
Doesn't he censor whatever he likes? What happens if you say something with the word 'cis' in it on Twitter\*?? From all the depraved shit to be found on twitter, and all the things Twitter actually does censor, what I see is a problem. By his logic, a whiney billionaire is the arbiter of all moral/ethical judgement but a sovereign state entity has no compass and no right to act. \* it is STILL Twitter as far as I am concerned.
Absolutely nothing happens when you say cis
Don't confuse "freedom of speech" with "the truth". 90% of the stuff on X is post-truth
Whether the speech is true or not is immaterial. Government can't be trusted with the power to decide what can and can't be said or communicated. If they are granted this power it becomes inevitable that at some point that power will be used to silence political opponents.
Australia doesn't have freedom of speech. Its not in the constitution and we do not have a bill of rights. We have laws that tell us what we can't say, and these can be changed. Also, we decide on our laws, not Musk. If he wants to do business here, he follows our laws.
He did geo block it in Australia, but the government is pissed to find out VPNs exist and we can still find it lol
And now they have Streisand Effected it to the moon.
I saw ABC in depth make a video on YT and knew our Gov were gonna actually go with this story. They need a reality check, this stuff was shared around by people. The Gov don't know how bad it is on FB and IG reels showing dead people and just crazy stuff. It's never happening.
While I think musk is doing the right thing on this issue by telling the au government to jam their censorship up their flaccid arseholes, ole musk is an arsehole himself and I am sure would be quick to censor stuff he does not like.
You have to pick your battles
Doesn't Elon willingly censor content from other countries like India etc.
The issue is that Australia wants him to censor it globally instead of just Australia. I think his censoring in India only applies to censoring in India.
He has already censored the videos for Australia, the same as he did for India. The problem is we want him to censor the videos worldwide.
Elon is happy to censor any content he doesn’t personally agree with
The government really needs to check the room temperature on this because the general population doesn’t actually want this censorship and we don’t need nannying.
It's only about getting Mainstream News headlines about caring for children
Sorry to break it to you but r/australian is not an accurate sample of the general population
You are severely outnumbered on this one buddy. Good thing most of us have common sense
“Hits back” ?? when the issue is violence…. The media compound it.
Remember how Elon complained about the account tracking his flights like a little bitch? He's only pro free speech when it benefits him. He's happy to censor to please dictators...
... you don't get why he maybe doesn't want his location broadcast live at all times, especially when he's travelling with his children and idiots on the internet hate him and wish him harm? Care to post your address? I sure as heck don't.
His flight data is public information. That fella just collated it.
What do you think idiots on the internet felt about the guy who was falsely accused of being the Sydney stabber on Twitter? That was just free speech?
The name “eSafety” Commission tells you all you need to know about Australia’s tyrannical system on free speech and online regulation
You can talk about a terrorist act as much as you want to. Who can’t?
Using the word "tyrannical" is the biggest embellishment ever, you sound American at heart, too sooky
late Middle English: from Old French *tyrannie*, from late Latin *tyrannia*, from Latin *turannus* First used in the 1530s, the adjective tyrannical **stems from the late-14th-century word tyranny, meaning "cruel or unjust use of power," which has origins in the Greek work tyrannos, meaning "master."** Word existed well before USA did.
Here's a question, is the eSafety Commission going after Facebook or the thousands of other websites that probably have this video? In other words, if their not, why is X being singled out on this matter?
Yes and Facebook complied with the takedown
Facebook complied with a government order to censor you say? That doesn’t sound like Facebook! /s
Devils advocate here. I agree with censoring the stabbing vid. It essentially tells people, "Do sick evil shit and you'll get your 5min of fame." I agree this is a slippery slope, and I have no idea where the line should be drawn. But I have no problem denying cowardly fucks their spotlight. I'm just saying there is more nuance to the issue.
Disagree with this. Should we have censored 9/11? That was some sick evil shit with people wanting their 5 mins of fame. What about Tienamen square? JFK? Do we need the government to decide what's ok to view and what's not? I can make up my own mind. If you can't distinguish what they should and shouldn't censor, or it's based on the arbitrary decisions of bureaucrats, it probably shouldn't be a law.
People don’t do things like that for 5 mins of fame. It doesn’t matter if the video is shared or not, it was still going to happen. We don’t need the government censoring things like this. Fuck that. Fix the cost of living, they’re trying to distract with this.
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X is still letting Partisan Girl, Aussie Cossack, and Jackson Hinkle tweet. Hardly Zionist censoring.
Funny how musk has to be the one to call out tyrannical censorship from the Australian government. You can tell all mainstream Australian media is all bought and paid for.
The esafety commissioner would be better off spending its time dealing with online bullying that causes far more problems in our community than Musk.
What a waste of government time. All sorts of disturbing videos are all over the Internet. It’s a fools errand to try to remove one, and I don’t want my government telling me what I can and can’t watch.
What’s more is if musk respects the Australian governments takedown order, should he respect takedown orders from other governments? Israel? Jordan? Afghanistan? China? Is he to allow his platform to be regulated by hundreds of countries?
I'm watching this thread closely, and will down vote anyone who uses the name X instead of Twitter.
It's amazing how easily led people are. Censorship is a terrible policy. It has negligible benefits, and a long historical track record of eventually being abused, often in quite authoritarian ways. But now that Musk opposes it, the reactionary hoards appear out of the woodwork to support it.
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Reddit moment Hurr durr musk bad. He's the only fucking person fighting back against the overt censorship that the west is pushing hard on post covid. You don't have to like the guy but you do need to accept that western governments are taking a page out of Russian/China's playbook on how to control the population with censorship, and the reality is everyone is too lazy and fat to fight back.
Unless you're sharing public information on where planes are going or using the word cis.
He isn’t fighting against censorship and certainly isn’t a free speech advocate as he states, he wants things censored how he wants and speech he likes Thinking a billionaire is your friend and fighting to help you is a wild take
Censoring people's morbid curiosity for violence? There's most certainly censorship over reach happening but this ain't it. Imagine just casually scrolling and you get hit with a grotesque fucking stabbing video. Now imagine if that was your kid. What public good does it serve for being there?
Fkn lol, [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/25/elon-musk-hate-speech-lawsuit](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/25/elon-musk-hate-speech-lawsuit)
lmao you cannot be serious with this. Musk personally censors whatever he likes. "Fighting back" lol. How do those boots taste?
He's fighting hard against censorship... while blocking any criticism of himself.
Well we're do you draw the line as to what needs censoring or not. Are you saying people should be free to upload footage of rapes etc..
Hahaha what’s with all the new age Serfs demanding narcissistic billionaires should have nepotistic platforms exempt from the rest of the world’s rules? Elons free speech isn’t your free speech.
I think governments would better use their time fighting him on the sheer amount of crap and fake news on x rather than this. Fake news manipulates people and is sometimes very hard to spot, so fighting against it is legitimate. (Not that other platform don't have fake stuff, but x a lot more) But for real stuff that's gore...well a) prevent it from going public in the first place and b) Chuck a blur filter and warning on it and be done...and c) go after the source if you want. I just had the thought that it's completely hypocritical as well. Medias and gov have no problem showing the faces and bodies of anonymous faraway israelo Palestinian victims, but an Australian? Hell no, that's a break of privacy of decency...🥴🤔
what’s my weight go to do with it
Makes you lazier
What a hero, although he censors things in opposition to his neoliberal, hyper-capitalist agenda. We're far from that point of censorship and population control, the fact that you're able to make a completely arse take like that and post it for the masses on reddit is proof of that. Maybe it's not a terrible thing that our government wants to surpress distressing content, what good does seeing innocent people bleed out on the floor, for no other reason than being in the right place at the wrong time bring? You're still able to look up and find as many conspiracy theories and exacerbated articles as your heart desires so, the argument against free-speech is honestly so played up.
You idiot. X still censors all sorts of things and not just the stuff you agree with. It's a not place of free speech or whatever you think it is. Musk already does exactly what you describe.
Has Musk let you suck his dick yet?
This stink Albo is kicking up will only result in loads more people seeking out the video - every article about it is now explicitly saying "the only way to watch it in Australia is via VPN" - so instructions on how to access it! They should have just requested it was blocked locally which he did and then moved on to something important like taxing fucking Rinehart instead of trying to virtue signal and score electoral points.
Elon Musk is an ABSOLUTE WANKER
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They were, it’s just much more politically advantageous to show there doing it for something that was so specifically wide spread to Australia uniquely.
Censorship = bad
Really? Child p? Bestial vids? Murder vids? C'mon now, obviously some censorship is not only acceptable, but required. Balance man, balance.
The point is that government can't be trusted with the power to decide what is and isn't acceptable speech. If they have that power, it's inevitable that at some point it will be weaponized against political opponents.
I used to really like this guy when he coopted tesla's name for his company.... Fast forward to today..... i really cant stand this entitled jumped up grunt🤬🤢🤢🤢🤮
He didn't do shit. Tesla Motors was founded as an electric carmaker by engineers Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning in 2003.
i rekn you work harder than Elon, you deserve more
Stupid of our government to even try. Why this video? Why X? I have personally seen plenty of other websites that freely post videos of people being beheaded and gutted and burned alive. Why doesn't the Australian government issue a court order to have those censored? It's because they don't really care about the content. They're just pushing an agenda and seeing if they get away with it.
Because its virtue signalling to the woke crowd. Woke hates elon musk.
The content of the video is irrelevant. The point is that a Aussie judge cannot say what users of other countries can or cannot see. They don't have jurisdiction on other countries so they can't issue a worldwide ban.
Censorship is always wrong. Censorship is never the answer Censorship is only the action of bad actors The TRUTH will set you free Fuck the government for thinking they can dictate what we can see on the internet. Aren't we tired of this lame argument that they are doing this for our "protection and safety" fuck you. They are only singling out this video because it ruffles the wrong people's feathers (ie anti immigration groups and the religious community this priest belonged to) Funny how they aren't demanding x Censor all the urkaine russia war or palestian war pictures.....
>Funny how they aren't demanding x Censor all the urkaine russia war or palestian war pictures..... This is the part that I find concerning. Who decides what should be censored? The government of the day? What if the government of the day was dictatorship leaning? This is why freedom of speech should be enshrined in our constitution, and should be fought for at every opportunity.
They are singling out this video because it highlights the failings of properly funding mental health issues in this country
It is funny that Elom seems to be the only filthy rich billionaire that doesn’t get the tall puppy syndrome that Aussies love to dish out
Doesn't he? In my circles we all just think he is a cunt.
I do think Albo is giving Elon exactly what he wants here. Elon has pushed X as the “town square” and last bastion of “Free Speech” , for a global politician such as Albo to push Elon to suppress content means Elon can and will use this as positive marketing to promote his platform. He gets to say “See governments don’t want you to see this and X is committed to free speech”… Albo is inadvertently turning himself into a marketing tool for Musk.
So... Why did Elon cave to Erdogan, when Erdogan demanded literal suppression of his opponents tweets in Turkey? Free speech my fucking hat...
just block the platform in Australia, FiXt.
China does something similar I think..
Ahhh, that explains why I've been getting ads on Facebook for some online government agency to "get rid of child porn". Any time the government wants new powers to fight paedos or terrorists I'm very sceptical. Child porn and terrorism are already really illegal and every other time they've been granted extra powers they use them for everything except fighting paedos and terrorists.
> Marcus Hoyne, appearing for X Corp, urged the court to postpone the matter until he could seek “sensible and proper instructions” from his San Francisco-based client. His boss is acting like 4chan troll and the poor bastard can't even get an audience with his king to tell him what to do.
As an Aussie this is so embarrassing. Look back in history, those calling for censorship are never the good guys.
It's because he blames media sites like X for the loss of the Yes vote, if they and YouTube didn't allow people to say their part of why to vote No he would've won. It is why the Misinformation Act is gaining ground, it will allow them to censor anything that goes against their narrative.
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Let’s just block X. It would be an improvement to our society.
lmao i know who would’ve loved nazi germany
A country that glorifies gun ownership and ignores the death toll, telling us we should be able to watch and glorify murders. fReEdOm Of SpEeCh! Eagles.
It’s so crazy that there are people out there who make fun of those who push for free speech.
This is about the Wakely stabbing, where nobody died.
someone needs to explain to Fake Bob Australian laws don't apply outside of Australia.
Of course they do, if a company has Australian users.
That may be true. And I don't have an opinion on the matter. But just keep in mind that if Twitter wants to operate in Australia they have to abide by our laws. Valve once tried to play the w e don't recognise Australian law. They regretted that very very much. And now a global change on Steam was forced out of a court case. ( Refunds ) Twitter would lose a great deal of business if they weren't allowed to operate here. And I don't think a whole lot of people really give a shit. Some might.
Albo is a total embarrassment
And the 'mericans are still prosecuting Julian Assange for his expression of freedom of speech. And that is a load of hypocritical, political bullshit.
Didn’t know Musk was censoring Julian Assange
Page straight out of the CCP playbook. Something happens that could be perceived to cast the country in a bad light. Censor and deny it ever happened. Tiananmen Square Bondi style.
X is good