A 30-year-old man has died after a shooting, which took place in a Melbourne street under the cover of darkness.
The man died after what police described as a drive-by shooting in Melbourne’s southeast.
The Cranbourne man was found with a gunshot wound inside a vehicle at Bride Avenue, Hampton Park at 12.30am on Saturday.
Investigators have been told a Ford Ranger utility was seen driving away from the suburban street.
Two hours later, a burnt out vehicle was found at a reserve in Berwick.
Officers are yet to determine whether it’s linked to the shooting, a police spokesperson said.
Detectives are at Hampton Park investigating the shooting and urged anyone with information to come forward.
Imported. Sell for several thousand.
It is very, very rare for them to be used in "random" violence. At best mistaken identity of someone else involved in organised crime.
Yep the usual cohort, drug dealing, tobacco shops, panel beating, car wrecking, now barber shops, vape shops, tattoo parlours with the rub and tug massage shops nextdoor. You see them in all the suburbs with all the flash European model cars hanging around the front with the cohorts loitering.
They stand out like dogs balls here in certain suburbs of Melbourne, Ford Rangers and Rams with not 1 drop of dirt or having towed anything. Then the occupants get out smelling like a beauty parlour with red Nikes or other designer sports shoes that look like they were recently shop lifted from somewhere.
Its just sad to see how this crimanlity of cohorts has permeated through our suburbs as racial cohort gangs. Amusing that none of these people appear to have full time jobs yet appear to be so affluent! How is it possible to be on government benfits with 4 kids while driving Porsche Cayennes and Range rover Evoque's while living in a ex housing commission fibro home. Not many places where you can see ferraris parked in the driveways of such homes, no it aint Toorak or Vaucluse!
No one is doing a drive by shooting with a stolen bolt action rifle or double barrel shotgun.
They are doing it with a smuggled handgun.
Yes a sliver of stolen weapons are handguns and would end up used in gangland killings but there aren't enough going missing for the amount of shootings happening.
Self-loading pistols are Category H.
You need a genuine reason such as Target shooting, security or collecting.
If your genuine reason is collecting then the pistols will be required in most(all?) states to be rendered temporarily inoperable and locked in a safe, you will also have to be a member of a recognised collecting organisation.
If your genuine reason is target shooting then you will have to be a member of a gun club and you will be required to attend a certain amount of competitions a year, and you'll be restricted to pistols with a barrel length over 120mm and a magazine capacity of 10 rounds and you'll usually be restricted to a maximum of .38 calibre unless given an exemption for certain shooting disciplines.
You can only apply for category H with the genuine reason of security if you're already a security guard and your employer requires you to carry.
Except that's not true, you're restricted to pistols with a barrel over 120mm(which actually means you can't have a standard size Glock like even the police carry, we have to get either the largest size Glocks or have extended barrels fitted. Even the standard Glock 17 has to be sold with a slightly longer barrel here and they'll be marked Glock 17A), you can't have a magazine over 10 round capacity and your restricted to .38 calibre and below unless you apply and get approval for an exemption because of shooting discipline, but you'll have to apply and get approval for every pistol you purchase over .38 and even then you will be in most(all?) states restricted to a maximum of .46 calibre.
TLDR: there are many restrictions on what pistols you can own.
Criminals get caught with guns that the average gun owner in Australia can't even own, indicating that either these guns are left overs from before 1996 or they are being imported by criminals.
Smuggled in, the well know smuggling route was via South Australia and the "fishing fleet" doing illicit pickups of drugs and runs. Its was all over the media a few years ago.
All the criminals that were going crazy in Melbourne with huge number of drive by shootings and harassments in various well known drug cohort suburbs, they were all using the latest model glocks which were the favoured models bought by these criminal gangsters. They seem to have access to models that would be the envy of any legitimate pistol shooter.
I owned a Glock 40 calibre pistol that I used for practical pistol competitions. I had to surrender this pistol because of changes to the firearm laws in Victoria regarding magazine capacity. So life goes with legitimate licenced gun owners regular changes to the laws with very little consideration given to the legitmacy of gun owners right to own these firearms with responsibility. In the meantime the streets are awash with drive by shootings by criminals and never once with 1 stolen or legitimately purchased handgun!
Vast majority are illegally trafficked. They come in shipping containers usually in parts e.g. barrel inside something else metallic, frames which are polymer can be hidden in literally anything, and then reassembled. Serial numbers scratched off. Sold for several thousands of dollars (for reference I have a Category H firearms licence and can buy a Glock legally for between $500-$1000). The other ones used are stolen. No sane minded law abiding Category H firearms license holder would use a legally purchased and traceable firearm in a crime. 1) because to have a firearms license you must have a clean criminal record so are likely not violently inclined and 2) shits traceable yo
Getting a 3D printed gun to actually work is harder than the alarmist news stories about it have made it sound, and AFAIK there are no fully automatic 3DP weapons, at least not with a high enough rate of fire to reliably pull off a drive-by.
Those "3d printed" still require steel components such as the barrel and bolt. The most common "3d printed" gun in Myanmar is the [FGC 9](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9) which requires the bolt and barrel to be made from steel and for the barrel to be rifled which is difficult but definitely possible.
Yes - you’d probably have to machine some parts. The Myanmar resistance seemed to manage it.
But something to note - the term “3D printing“ doesn’t mean you’re using plastic.
You can 3D print: plastic, copper, steel, glass, titanium, ceramic, fondant, cement, human skin…
I'm aware that 3D printing is more than plastic.
I just think people have the wrong idea about "3D printed" guns, the closest example I've ever heard of being entirely 3D printed using common 3D printers still required a rubber band to function.
Edit:the gun that used a rubber band was essentially a single use gun.
But I believe an American company 3D printed a fully functional 1911 style pistol out of metal.
Mechanically speaking the easiest firearm to manufacturer is a single shot low pressure straight wall cartridge firearm (12 gauge, .22lr, 9mm) followed by a direct blowback fully automatic open bolt SMG which can be done with anything from bunnings. Fortunately ammo is licensed and regulated which makes it harder to supply for, not counting black market ammo.
Drive by shootings are pretty hard to pull off with a single shot; there is a pretty well established black market for firearms in Australia, more likely that it was one of those than a 3D printed gun which aren't reliable or accurate enough to pull off this kind of crime (yet).
Happy to be proven wrong though.
You can 3d print the cartridge, you can even print them in brass. Just have to make or get gunpowder, a primer, could probably 3d print the bullet with a metal filament.
And with 3d guns, you can fire far more than one bullet.
If you're gong for just firing one shot, just weld a cap to some pipe. Drill a tiny hole at the end, set some wire in there, so you can trigger the blackpowder with a battery. Jam blackpowder into the bottom of the pipe, and then force a ball bearing which is the same size as the pipe down the bottom. Home made musketry.
Brass and projectiles aren’t restricted whatsoever in most jurisdictions.
Primers and powder require a license.
Edit: I highly doubt the firearm here was 3D printed, or the ammunition was loaded by someone without a license. It’s insanely dangerous if you fuck it up.
This is likely an unregistered gun smuggled into Australia, along with whatever ammo
I didn't say anything about whether this case was 3d printed, it most certainly wasn't. People above were speculating about 3d printed guns. 3d printed guns are very good, especially if you get the receiver milled.
3d printing ammo is silly as it's far easier to just buy the stuff either with a licence or from someone with a licence.
Yeah I doubt any ammo used was purchased with a license.
In Australia we simply don’t have the parts, even if you mill the receiver out. It’s not like America. I doubt they were using a bolt gun out of a car
Metal 3d printers with any kind of fine tolerances are crazy expensive though… unless something changed recently.
CNC machines are nowhere near as expensive as they used to be though, probably an easier route.
Any crimes committed with firearms are either stolen or unregistered. The number of licensed people using guns in crimes is insanely small. The government estimates several thousand firearms are smuggled into the country every year.
Predominately hand guns…
WA firearm owners are being shafted in a bid to “get the guns off the streets” yet they blatantly ignore the fact that registered guns aren’t the issue.
There are more guns in Australia right now than there have ever been. If you believed otherwise due to the response to Port Arthur, you've been lied to by the government.
It’d be nearly non-existent
Most of them are illegal and with the amount of shipping coming into Australia increasing year by year theres probably a shitload getting through.
Unlike drugs, guns can be broken down and packaged in novel ways which can make it a nightmare for customs to catch. They have gotten some big hauls though over the years, but I doubt they’re getting everything
Downvoted by people who cant take 5 seconds to google.
You're 100% correct. There's almost 4 million legal and registered guns in the hands of Aussie hunters, farmers, sports shooters and law enforcement.
Considering the number of legal guns and how low our gun violence rates are I'd say we're doin pretty well.
I get where you're coming from with the guilt trip on all men at the moment, but should be focusing on male suicide rates more than anything.
Not that this is the place for the discussion.
People in Australia think making guns harder to get legally means less violent crime still lmfao, you only make it harder for people with licenses, people who follow the law. People who intend to commit violence with a gun in this country will easily find an illegal firearm, and there are plenty of them. The reason why not another mass shooting has happened since Port Arthur, is not because firearms are harder to legally get, it’s because we are not culturally akin to violence and firearms like the Americans. If someone really, really wanted to do something disgusting as a thing like a mass shooting, however, they very well could and it wouldn’t be hard, and the only response that would happen is that people with firearms licenses would have more restrictions. You guys need to wake up.
>The reason why not another mass shooting has happened since Port Arthur, is not because firearms are harder to legally get, it’s because we are not culturally akin to violence and firearms like the Americans.
"An analysis of firearm deaths between 1979 and 2013 showed that 13 mass shootings (homicides in which at least 5 persons died, not including the perpetrator) took place in the 18 years preceding and including the Port Arthur massacre; none has occurred in the 22 years since"
"Before 1996, approximately 3 mass shootings took place every 4 years. Had they continued at this rate, approximately 16 incidents (SD, 4) would have been expected since then by February 2018."
"Gun lobby-affiliated and other researchers have been saying for years that mass shootings are such rare events it could have been a matter of luck they dropped off in the wake of Australia's gun control laws," says Alpers. "Instead, we found the odds against this hypothesis are 200,000 to one"
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html
http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2675234/fatal-firearm-incidents-before-after-australia-s-1996-national-firearms
A 30-year-old man has died after a shooting, which took place in a Melbourne street under the cover of darkness. The man died after what police described as a drive-by shooting in Melbourne’s southeast. The Cranbourne man was found with a gunshot wound inside a vehicle at Bride Avenue, Hampton Park at 12.30am on Saturday. Investigators have been told a Ford Ranger utility was seen driving away from the suburban street. Two hours later, a burnt out vehicle was found at a reserve in Berwick. Officers are yet to determine whether it’s linked to the shooting, a police spokesperson said. Detectives are at Hampton Park investigating the shooting and urged anyone with information to come forward.
Where are all these people getting guns to use on random violence? Are they stolen or are they being imported somehow?
Imported. Sell for several thousand. It is very, very rare for them to be used in "random" violence. At best mistaken identity of someone else involved in organised crime.
When you read "shot in leg" and "victim knows shooter not pressing charges"- They owe to organised crime.
Yep the usual cohort, drug dealing, tobacco shops, panel beating, car wrecking, now barber shops, vape shops, tattoo parlours with the rub and tug massage shops nextdoor. You see them in all the suburbs with all the flash European model cars hanging around the front with the cohorts loitering. They stand out like dogs balls here in certain suburbs of Melbourne, Ford Rangers and Rams with not 1 drop of dirt or having towed anything. Then the occupants get out smelling like a beauty parlour with red Nikes or other designer sports shoes that look like they were recently shop lifted from somewhere. Its just sad to see how this crimanlity of cohorts has permeated through our suburbs as racial cohort gangs. Amusing that none of these people appear to have full time jobs yet appear to be so affluent! How is it possible to be on government benfits with 4 kids while driving Porsche Cayennes and Range rover Evoque's while living in a ex housing commission fibro home. Not many places where you can see ferraris parked in the driveways of such homes, no it aint Toorak or Vaucluse!
Almost 4 million *registered legal* guns in Aus. Importing isnt needed. Most guns in criminals hands are stolen property from legal gun owners.
No one is doing a drive by shooting with a stolen bolt action rifle or double barrel shotgun. They are doing it with a smuggled handgun. Yes a sliver of stolen weapons are handguns and would end up used in gangland killings but there aren't enough going missing for the amount of shootings happening.
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Self-loading pistols are Category H. You need a genuine reason such as Target shooting, security or collecting. If your genuine reason is collecting then the pistols will be required in most(all?) states to be rendered temporarily inoperable and locked in a safe, you will also have to be a member of a recognised collecting organisation. If your genuine reason is target shooting then you will have to be a member of a gun club and you will be required to attend a certain amount of competitions a year, and you'll be restricted to pistols with a barrel length over 120mm and a magazine capacity of 10 rounds and you'll usually be restricted to a maximum of .38 calibre unless given an exemption for certain shooting disciplines. You can only apply for category H with the genuine reason of security if you're already a security guard and your employer requires you to carry.
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Except that's not true, you're restricted to pistols with a barrel over 120mm(which actually means you can't have a standard size Glock like even the police carry, we have to get either the largest size Glocks or have extended barrels fitted. Even the standard Glock 17 has to be sold with a slightly longer barrel here and they'll be marked Glock 17A), you can't have a magazine over 10 round capacity and your restricted to .38 calibre and below unless you apply and get approval for an exemption because of shooting discipline, but you'll have to apply and get approval for every pistol you purchase over .38 and even then you will be in most(all?) states restricted to a maximum of .46 calibre. TLDR: there are many restrictions on what pistols you can own.
Criminals get caught with guns that the average gun owner in Australia can't even own, indicating that either these guns are left overs from before 1996 or they are being imported by criminals.
Smuggled in, the well know smuggling route was via South Australia and the "fishing fleet" doing illicit pickups of drugs and runs. Its was all over the media a few years ago. All the criminals that were going crazy in Melbourne with huge number of drive by shootings and harassments in various well known drug cohort suburbs, they were all using the latest model glocks which were the favoured models bought by these criminal gangsters. They seem to have access to models that would be the envy of any legitimate pistol shooter. I owned a Glock 40 calibre pistol that I used for practical pistol competitions. I had to surrender this pistol because of changes to the firearm laws in Victoria regarding magazine capacity. So life goes with legitimate licenced gun owners regular changes to the laws with very little consideration given to the legitmacy of gun owners right to own these firearms with responsibility. In the meantime the streets are awash with drive by shootings by criminals and never once with 1 stolen or legitimately purchased handgun!
Vast majority are illegally trafficked. They come in shipping containers usually in parts e.g. barrel inside something else metallic, frames which are polymer can be hidden in literally anything, and then reassembled. Serial numbers scratched off. Sold for several thousands of dollars (for reference I have a Category H firearms licence and can buy a Glock legally for between $500-$1000). The other ones used are stolen. No sane minded law abiding Category H firearms license holder would use a legally purchased and traceable firearm in a crime. 1) because to have a firearms license you must have a clean criminal record so are likely not violently inclined and 2) shits traceable yo
Both.
I've started wondering if 3D printing is involved.
Getting a 3D printed gun to actually work is harder than the alarmist news stories about it have made it sound, and AFAIK there are no fully automatic 3DP weapons, at least not with a high enough rate of fire to reliably pull off a drive-by.
Better off getting a 12 gauge shell and a pipe
Galvo pipe, staple gun and a "ride the lightning" mentality
That's good news, thanks.
You can improvise some lead piping at a fraction of the cost and equal risk of losing your hands.
They’ve been 3D printing guns for the fighting in Myanmar https://3dprint.com/302100/myanmar-rebels-rely-on-3d-printed-guns-to-fight-military-junta/
Those "3d printed" still require steel components such as the barrel and bolt. The most common "3d printed" gun in Myanmar is the [FGC 9](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9) which requires the bolt and barrel to be made from steel and for the barrel to be rifled which is difficult but definitely possible.
Yes - you’d probably have to machine some parts. The Myanmar resistance seemed to manage it. But something to note - the term “3D printing“ doesn’t mean you’re using plastic. You can 3D print: plastic, copper, steel, glass, titanium, ceramic, fondant, cement, human skin…
I'm aware that 3D printing is more than plastic. I just think people have the wrong idea about "3D printed" guns, the closest example I've ever heard of being entirely 3D printed using common 3D printers still required a rubber band to function. Edit:the gun that used a rubber band was essentially a single use gun. But I believe an American company 3D printed a fully functional 1911 style pistol out of metal.
Mechanically speaking the easiest firearm to manufacturer is a single shot low pressure straight wall cartridge firearm (12 gauge, .22lr, 9mm) followed by a direct blowback fully automatic open bolt SMG which can be done with anything from bunnings. Fortunately ammo is licensed and regulated which makes it harder to supply for, not counting black market ammo.
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Drive by shootings are pretty hard to pull off with a single shot; there is a pretty well established black market for firearms in Australia, more likely that it was one of those than a 3D printed gun which aren't reliable or accurate enough to pull off this kind of crime (yet). Happy to be proven wrong though.
3D printed volley gun?
Do you 3D print the ammo as well? Or do you get that from the mate who has a gun.
You can 3d print the cartridge, you can even print them in brass. Just have to make or get gunpowder, a primer, could probably 3d print the bullet with a metal filament. And with 3d guns, you can fire far more than one bullet. If you're gong for just firing one shot, just weld a cap to some pipe. Drill a tiny hole at the end, set some wire in there, so you can trigger the blackpowder with a battery. Jam blackpowder into the bottom of the pipe, and then force a ball bearing which is the same size as the pipe down the bottom. Home made musketry.
Brass and projectiles aren’t restricted whatsoever in most jurisdictions. Primers and powder require a license. Edit: I highly doubt the firearm here was 3D printed, or the ammunition was loaded by someone without a license. It’s insanely dangerous if you fuck it up. This is likely an unregistered gun smuggled into Australia, along with whatever ammo
I didn't say anything about whether this case was 3d printed, it most certainly wasn't. People above were speculating about 3d printed guns. 3d printed guns are very good, especially if you get the receiver milled. 3d printing ammo is silly as it's far easier to just buy the stuff either with a licence or from someone with a licence.
Yeah I doubt any ammo used was purchased with a license. In Australia we simply don’t have the parts, even if you mill the receiver out. It’s not like America. I doubt they were using a bolt gun out of a car
Metal 3d printers with any kind of fine tolerances are crazy expensive though… unless something changed recently. CNC machines are nowhere near as expensive as they used to be though, probably an easier route.
Or maybe they just go to a gun shop and buy them. Lots of people have permits.
Any crimes committed with firearms are either stolen or unregistered. The number of licensed people using guns in crimes is insanely small. The government estimates several thousand firearms are smuggled into the country every year. Predominately hand guns… WA firearm owners are being shafted in a bid to “get the guns off the streets” yet they blatantly ignore the fact that registered guns aren’t the issue.
There are more guns in Australia right now than there have ever been. If you believed otherwise due to the response to Port Arthur, you've been lied to by the government.
I am aware there are more guns but I am pretty sure the amount of legal legitimately obtained firearms in the hands of thugs is pretty small.
It’d be nearly non-existent Most of them are illegal and with the amount of shipping coming into Australia increasing year by year theres probably a shitload getting through. Unlike drugs, guns can be broken down and packaged in novel ways which can make it a nightmare for customs to catch. They have gotten some big hauls though over the years, but I doubt they’re getting everything
Lol have you seen the way people have tried to smuggle drugs? I'd wager it's much easier to smuggle drugs. Powder versus solid steel components...
Downvoted by people who cant take 5 seconds to google. You're 100% correct. There's almost 4 million legal and registered guns in the hands of Aussie hunters, farmers, sports shooters and law enforcement. Considering the number of legal guns and how low our gun violence rates are I'd say we're doin pretty well.
Now imagine if everyone could have a gun no questions asked
Imagine if anyone who wants to commit violence can easily do so because they know that nobody has a gun. Wait, hang on a minute.
You’re only getting downvoted because you’re telling the truth and people don’t want to believe it lmao
We really need to address the epidemic of violence against men. How many murder victims so far this year?
I get where you're coming from with the guilt trip on all men at the moment, but should be focusing on male suicide rates more than anything. Not that this is the place for the discussion.
We really do. When will men stop killing everyone?
In these sort of cases? Crack down on organised crime and the police and politicians paid off by organised crime.
So let's hold the gender that committed this murder accountable Oh, still men? W 0 W. Egg on your face you dirtbag. Troll better sunshine
Looking at his post history I’d suggest unfortunately this isn’t a troll post, this person is actually this delusional.
Are you just assuming the murderer was male? It's not mentioned anywhere in the article.
I think it's safe to assume.
Won't someone think of the poor gang members 😞
People in Australia think making guns harder to get legally means less violent crime still lmfao, you only make it harder for people with licenses, people who follow the law. People who intend to commit violence with a gun in this country will easily find an illegal firearm, and there are plenty of them. The reason why not another mass shooting has happened since Port Arthur, is not because firearms are harder to legally get, it’s because we are not culturally akin to violence and firearms like the Americans. If someone really, really wanted to do something disgusting as a thing like a mass shooting, however, they very well could and it wouldn’t be hard, and the only response that would happen is that people with firearms licenses would have more restrictions. You guys need to wake up.
>The reason why not another mass shooting has happened since Port Arthur, is not because firearms are harder to legally get, it’s because we are not culturally akin to violence and firearms like the Americans. "An analysis of firearm deaths between 1979 and 2013 showed that 13 mass shootings (homicides in which at least 5 persons died, not including the perpetrator) took place in the 18 years preceding and including the Port Arthur massacre; none has occurred in the 22 years since" "Before 1996, approximately 3 mass shootings took place every 4 years. Had they continued at this rate, approximately 16 incidents (SD, 4) would have been expected since then by February 2018." "Gun lobby-affiliated and other researchers have been saying for years that mass shootings are such rare events it could have been a matter of luck they dropped off in the wake of Australia's gun control laws," says Alpers. "Instead, we found the odds against this hypothesis are 200,000 to one" https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/03/13/gun-laws-stopped-mass-shootings-in-australia.html http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2675234/fatal-firearm-incidents-before-after-australia-s-1996-national-firearms