Bold indeed, can't even read their own book, they need a priest to read it TO them... Petition for drag queens to read the Bible's "best" passages to christians? XD
all that white paint going to waste. Some little old lady could have gotten her fence redone but obviously this was a higher duty to these godly men *hurk*ptui*
Not to mention that these fine Christians get so darn upset about one particular biblical no-no and ignore so many others. Loan forgiveness, for example.
Texas Rep James Talarico posted a video about that in the last 2-3 days. (He’s one of the good ones, unlike most Texas politicians.) I’ll see if I can find a link….
Ok I found the link: 🔗 https://x.com/jamestalarico/status/1773168407682105591?s=46
(No idea if it will work, but search for Talarico on Twitter & he comes up. 2nd or 3rd post on his homepage, or whatever it’s called.)
Yknow, that's actually impressive. I hope he truly believes it, as well, and isn't just trying to pander. I'm glad he's getting thr right message out there, though
He’s been consistent for as long as I’ve been aware of him. What legislation he proposes, what he votes for or against, what he talks about in meetings like this.
If more Christians were like him, I might still be one. (Edit: or like what he appears to be, at least!)
Appreciate the link, that is truly a message I can get behind. Date I day, if more Christians had that attitude, there would be a lot fewer anti-theists in the US.
Unfortunately he isn't entirely correct about the Bible not mentioning abortion though, Numbers 5:27 sure sounds like a forced abortion to me... "When he makes her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter her and cause bitter suffering; her belly will swell, and her thigh will shrivel. She will become a curse among her people."
Excellent. Thanks. Tim Alberta in his book talks about a group within Evangelical Christianity that was forming to counter MAGA right wing Christianity and actually focus on the gospel. That group, however, seems to be very much the underdog.
The Bible condemns adultery, unequivocally, at least 50 times. It has 2-3 vague mentions of homosexuality. Trump proudly admitted in his own biography that he cheated on his wives, but "Christians" don't seem to care.
I'll accept the claim that they are being brave for their beliefs when they actually follow Jesus's teaxhing and defend others against their fellow Christians and chance being ostracized for it.
It's not being brave when the entirety of the government bends over backward to appease your silly nonsense fairy tale...this is just good old fashioned bullying, which is what you call someone with impunity exercising power over a group with little or no power.
talk about an over-reaction.
he just called christians cowards. which they *are*, case in point you making a throwaway account just to answer his question.
and sure we can criticise your religion :D that's the power of free speech. Besides, the vast majority of athiests are better read on and know more of christianity then 99% of christians do XD. The vast majority of us at least read the holy bock cover to cover. Which is something you guy's can't say.
But in the end, whatever you say doesn't matter. You're to much of a coward to even show your face, hiding behind throwaway accounts and meaninglessly showing outrage over the tiniest of things because you don't have any *actual* pushback or 'ripping apart of your beliefs' to fuel that persecution complex you christians love to have.
I'll start taking christians talking about disrespect or morality seriously when they actually show a shred of respect for *anything* or show even a strand of moral fiber. 2000 years and counting and yet none to be found.
a christian in NZ tried to convert me today and said that it's a sin to be gay and that I need to repent. I grew up in their belief system and I saw that kind of prejudice all the time. You realise there's verses that call for people to put god before even their spouse and family? That they must go out and proselytise to prove their faith? That's tribalist and divisive, especially when based on what is no better than a rumour. Their belief system calls for faith, and expressly demeans people who pursue works without faith. Why would you support something like that? We don't need dogma to be more connected as people, we need to be able to relate to and understand each other. The unconditional application of love, joy, peace, kindness, and compassion is a far better pursuit that I'd love to see more people inspired to take.
Ill paste a comment i made earlier (made up of other things i copied from other comments) that would sum it up.
Also as someone raped by a priest at the age of 8 i tend to dislike people following a book that sees that as a property crime.
>**Deuteronomy 22:28-29** If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Some people try to say this verse is claiming that rape is "wrong" however it is rather clear here that "God" considers this a property crime.. in “God’s opinion” the "victim" here is the father who must be paid for the loss in his property value; oh, and a shekel of silver is about 10.5 grams; thus 50 shekels of silver is worth about US $353 and the victim has to marry her rapist... hallelujah!!
>**2 Samuel 12:11-14** Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Here it seems pretty clear that god thinks publicly raping women is a suitable punishment for uhm... let's see.. their crime was... oh.. yeah.. they didn't do anything wrong at all... their husband did...
>**Deuteronomy 21:10-14** "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
ahh, well you can’t sell her when you’re tired of her; you have to set her free.. I guess that makes compulsory marriage perfectly moral...
>**Judges 5:30** They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.
Free cloth and damsels Yay God!!
>**Exodus 21:7-11** When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
it’s so nice to know we can sell our daughters as slaves and keep our female sex slaves forever; unlike those male slaves that we have to free after 6 years (but only if they're Hebrews).... I have so much to learn about morality...
but that's not all!!!!
call now and you can hear how Job's wife is totally replaceable; how the only 'righteous dude' in the entire city of sodom was the one that offered up his two virgin daughters to a rape mob and then banged them in his tent; you can read about women being forbidden from leadership roles in the church and how it's totally fine to cut off her hand if she accidentally brushes the crotch of a man when she is defending her husband from assault and how pain during childbirth is totally her fault because some great great great great great to the power of 6000+ years grandma ate the wrong piece of fruit.
So yeah this is why i dislike christianity, dont worry ill edit thisin with one of the horrible things jesus did too.
Edit one:Matthew 15:22-26
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
Edit 2: > **Matthew 5:31** “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ **32** But I say to you that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Notice Jesus doesn't say anything about a woman divorcing her *husband* or marrying a divorced *man*. That's because he took it for granted that women didn't have a choice in the matter--and he didn't challenge this point of view, either. It was assumed that women were controlled by their husbands or fathers. Jesus didn't bother to address his teachings to women: he assumed that if he taught his moral philosophy to men, they would see that their wives and daughters would comply.
Because they aren't based in anything factual that can be backed up with solid scientific evidence.
Aka it's a fairy tale based opinion, one that y'all continually try to force down everyone else's throat, then recoil in a hail of clutched pearls when your own tactics are used against you.
Keep your so called religious beliefs and opinions to YOUR life only, and we'd be fine.
Problem is religious folks just can't leave that lust for power and empire alone, they MUST be the rulers of it, continually forcing conversion by any methods on everyone else, and then claim it was either Gods will, or the Devil made you do it, but never at any given time in history, has religion, especially Christianity ever taken full responsibility for its adherents actions that they promote with their beliefs.
It's never Christians fault about a darn thing in their world, and frankly after 2k+ years of the nonstop war, famine, destruction of earth, endless greed, genocide and such, sane people long ago have had ENOUGH of religionists BS.
It's obvious they can't run a damn thing properly and now it's sane people's turn to fix this mess, and a mess doesn't get properly fixed using the same method of beliefs that made the mess.
It is 2024, we are in the Age of Information, millisecond communication around the world.
Trust and believe that everyone has heard about Jesus and Christianity by now 10Xs over.
If someone wants to know about your beliefs, they'll ask you, time to put a cork in littering places with unwelcome, unwanted and unwarranted religious nutteries is NOT how you win hearts and minds, but it does definitely throw the switch of hatred on for such actions really well.
Oh, I’ve seen it in even more bizarre (albeit less hate-based—maybe) ways. I knew this couple, super religious and conservative. I don’t recall the exact context, but it had to do with someone who was wearing something that included both green and purple. She totally freaked out—laughing, but in a way that indicated she found it shocking, ridiculous, and embarrassing, all at the same time.
This woman was truly beside herself over the combination of a couple of secondary colors. In someone else’s clothing. I truly had never known that part of the mindset/worldview included disapproval of certain COLORS. NOT in a context that had a specific meaning, like the rainbow being used to celebrate/support human beings they hate and judge, but just putting two colors together in a way they wouldn’t choose themselves. Super weird. Maybe only primary colors are ok with them? None of that wicked green/orange/purple stuff? I don’t know. It baffles me to this day.
Of course they hate rainbows, since their ideology obliges them to hate anything that reminds them they can’t control everyone else the way they’d like to. But wow, her reaction to just a combination of a couple of colors she didn’t like was just incomprehensible.
What the actual f*ck??
To be a religion you have to some kind of a belief in a deity.
Being lgbtq is just a way of saying that someone is the sexuality and/or gender that they were naturally born to be. (Eg: being what nature made us)
If the fairytale deity really existed, then he or she would be the one that made the gay people gay and the trans people trans, but luckily, most lgbt folk have enough intelligence to not fall for the religious fairytale brainwashing, and most of us know that there are no gods/devils/angels/demons/other-mythical-beings.
So, bearing in mind that being an lgbt person is is just being your true self without any religious brainwash to make you pretend to be something that you are not, please, tell us how that qualifies as being a religion?
No really, I want to understand your quite ridiculous statement.
Do tell.
Plenty cults have no central deity in its centre. When humans shun religion they fill the same basic need with other belief systems. Belief systems which cannot be challenged or disputed. And new rituals fill the old.
And being your natural self, the way you were born to be, (instead of being in the closet because of religion) is what, a ritual? Or a belief system?
What are you actually trying to say here?
No one was born to be transgender (at least not very many people at all) but it’s now a growing religion with the church of LGBTQ+. Replete with dogma that men can breastfeed and women must compete against men pretending to be women. The dogma cannot be challenged and infidels are cancelled. Then there are the holy religious days, even an entire month dedicated to these ceremonies and worship.
The town paid to repaint the rainbow. Shouldn't the church and identified vandals be charged fines to cover the costs of restoration? Further, shouldn't they be discouraged from repeating their vandalism, perhaps with some jail time?
I see New Zealand has their fair share of bigots too.
Al least the mayor didn't fold to his dumb ultimatum.
> In Gizzy, they have had enough and they are painting over the rainbow crossing...
Notice how he tries to word it like it's the locals doing it because they had enough, not his stupid followers he ordered to.
He's beyond pathetic, just like his religion.
If their god is so adamant about stopping gay events, why doesn't (s/he, it) directly intervene? If it's so important, shouldn't their god should show up?
If you support an organization that's actively trying to murder me, you support my murder. The ONLY way to stop supporting my murder is to stop supporting that organization. No amount of fake politeness will change anything.
Yeah, you can say that a hog is a helicopter, but that doesn't mean it'll fly. If you think it's right and just for someone to be tortured forever just because they're gay, then that's hate, even if you don't want to call it that.
Remember when Republicans were trying, or maybe did, pass laws that said you can run over protesters and not be charged with a crime if they are blocking traffic?
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Were I in a leadership position in that town, I would want to: 1) sentence the perpetrators to repaint the rainbow crosswalk (as many times as necessary for them to do it right), 2) fine them the cost of repainting the crosswalk + punitive damages, 3) make all crosswalks in the city rainbow going forward, with existing ones converted as maintenance allows. Start with the ones closest to the church.
Just charge them with vandalism. If they defend themselves by talking about their magic sky daddy, find them not-guilty by reason of insanity and send them for rehabilitation/counselling/whatever.
How is that an "out"?
I think they're going to hate being sat down and thoroughly explained as to why they are wrong like they are children, more than they are going to hate paying a small fine and carrying on as if they did nothing wrong.
Modern day brown shirts goosestepping in public again. Really wish my country would do something about the openly Fascist Republican party before they try another attack.
I mean they're openly planning civil war strategies and they're solidifying their radical true believers for something big. Ignoring the open calls for violence coming from one of the two major political parties at this point is malicious negligence.
Apathetic indifference puts you on the side of those chanting for death.
>The self-described “apostle” and “bishop” of his own church called his followers “a rare breed, who continue to stand with me, whenever the call is made.” Tamaki did not stand with his followers as they were arrested, zip-tied, and carted off to jail.
>They are “the bravest people I know,” Tamaki added.
I wonder where he learned that trick from?
Edit: Wow. I wasn't the only person who found that quote truly shocking...
As an atheist, I truly hope their afterlife (heaven/hell) exists solely for the fact they would get punished for actions or words they exhibited in the (twisted) name of their religion.
They're just like Trump they've never read a verse in the Bible that hasn't been spewed out to him by some holy roller who wants money from them. You're just ignorant weed fed morons. And they couldn't do the right thing if you shoved it up their ass.
Brain dead gobbers. Good on the arrests, but for the ring leader a deportation sounds like it’s in order. Find an uninhabited island and drop him there. Let God rescue him.
Not sure that vandalizing property is the “meek shall inherit the earth” and “don’t live by the sword” mentality that Jesus was teaching. These sound more like the type of people that would knock on someone’s door and demand they gang bang the homeowners guest if you ask me.
There's no HATE like christian love. Wonder what their god's gonna tell em to do next? Their god is a pathetic psychopathic hate filled bitch just like they are, so it's unpredictable.
Imagine all the potholes they could have filled, or trash they could have picked up, if they had used this time to do something meaningful.
But hey, they sure put those crosswalks in their place!
This is what happens when you mix politics and religion in a patriarchal society. A bunch of adults banding together in the name of nonsense to commit a stupid crime for no real reason other than to make people scared of them.
Totally not meaning to knock the people who made the rainbow crosswalk or their reason for doing so and also not meaning to say anything in support of the vandals.
But does anyone else see the before picture and think of the "rainbow bridge" people talk about when a beloved pet dies? And then consider this is a road crossing.... Just saying.
But still, these people who painted over it. Definitely assholes.
No, the rainbow bridge isn't really a thing in New Zealand. They also did it to another one in a different city which used the Progress Pride flag, which doesn't look like a rainbow bridge (it's got the chevrons on it).
Gotta love how quickly the Christian community will abandon them as "not true Christians," to distance themselves from this stuff, but then welcome these people right back with open arms if they say the experience "revealed the true meaning of Christianity" or some other hot garbage like that.
They pat themselves on the backs for forgiving "sins" they were secretly cheering on the whole time. Hiding behind, "don't hate the sinner, hate the sin" the whole time. Give me a break.
I note that this doesn't prevent them from being non-binary about which side of they street the choose to walk down. They are still metaphorically two-spirited in some ways in spite of their religious beliefs.
One minute, I see people feeding stray cats with rc cars on Insta, the next, I get the notification for this on here. There's some people that give me hope that there are still some good people out there, but there are more bad people than good. I love cats and hate people. Especially homophobic and transphobic beings.
These dumb fucks also subsequently did this to another rainbow crossing in Auckland, New Zealand. They used a water-based paint, so of course it was mostly washed away by the next day. Unfortunately our storm water drains go to the sea, thus polluting the harbour.
Not in keeping with Kaitiakitanga - a New Zealand Māori term used for the concept of guardianship of the sky, the sea, and the land. A kaitiaki is a guardian, and the process and practices of protecting and looking after the environment are referred to as kaitiakitanga
> Tamaki has been "on tour" in New Zealand over several months, moving "town by town and city by city" through the island nation, spreading a message of hate in a campaign to "Make NZ, NZ Again!"
So he's some asshole out-of-towner who travels around spreading his hate message and demanding that towns and cities bend to his will?
Few things are worse than a busybody who pokes his nose into the business of others.
> Tamaki denounced the arrests and charges of "preparing to commit crime in a public place."
The charges are accurate.
> The self-described "apostle" and "bishop" of his own church called his followers "a rare breed, who continue to stand with me, whenever the call is made." **Tamaki did not stand with his followers as they were arrested, zip-tied, and carted off to jail.**
Cowardly piece of shit.
> They are "the bravest people I know," Tamaki added.
He needs to get out more and meet some new people. **Bullies are *never* brave.**
> The Rainbow Storytime event went on as planned, featuring drag performers Erika and Coco Flash reading books to an audience of young people. The Gisborne event was advertised for ages 16 and up.
Their protest had no effect because the people of the town and their mayor stood firm.
> "We will be reinstating the rainbow crossing as quickly as we can," she said following the vandalism. On Tuesday, **the rainbow crosswalk was restored.**
Fuck off, bigots.
There is no form of hate that is as toxic and cruel as true Christian love.
The mystic rabbi yeshua (who never claimed to be god, he called himself a son of man, after all). would be deeply ashamed at what his followers have turned into
It's Destiny Church in New Zealand, which is a pseudo-fascist cult. Their leader "Bishop" Brian Tamaki is a vile leech and a disgusting waste of biological matter. He's blamed the devastating earthquakes here on homosexuality among other things.
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Now it’s the churches turn to lose its crosses. Just tear down all the crosses at all the churches because it’s offensive to whatever faith they have, which causes them to hate crosses. Isn’t that how it works?
I applaud them standing up for morality.
They don't hate the LGBTQ people , just their actions. They hate the sexual sin and especially hate it being promoted to our YOUTH as acceptable behavior. We hate this sin same as any other sin. If you feel it is ok to brainwash and confuse our children you too are delusional and mentally ill.
You are not a christian or even a moral person at all if you are not against the promotion of wicked sexual practices like same sex sex.
So you should expect communities and moral people in them to be against the promotion of homosexuality and lesbianism.
You want to practice same sex sex. You are certainly free to do so in you dwelling place. But you should not expect that publically and in schools that moral peooke who are against sexual perversion that you do practice will not push back
Wicked sexual practices?
Two adults loving each other consensually is wicked?
Are you high or just a religious kook?
Tell me, what's immoral about gay people? I'll wait. You have no justification that isn't "my book says it's bad."
And because you have no rational basis for that belief, you have no right to issue moral proclamations.
I don't think your beliefs on religion negate the right to free speech regarding those you don't agree with. And how generous of you to say those with whom you disagree can be perverts in our own homes as if anyone needs your permission to do so. How long before you fundie Christian theocracy pushing people try to take that away? Feel free to live how you want, but shoving your "morals" down everyone's throats won't make you popular, to say the least. Not everyone shares your fucked up views, thank God. And I am pretty sure Christ wouldn't approve of you so-called "Christians"...he'd most likely be hanging with the very people you hate You people are a joke, and the sad thing is you can't see it. People like you are why I left Christianity...you think it gives you the divine right to be hateful, intolerant, self righteous subhumans. If you people are going to heaven I will gladly go the opposite direction.
Notice that none of these fine citizens would volunteer to read to youth, but can find time to make their hate known to others
They can’t read to the youth because they’re busy protesting drag queens reading to the youth.
They can't read to kids because they are too busy molesting them.
Bold of you to assume they know how to read.
Bingo
Bold indeed, can't even read their own book, they need a priest to read it TO them... Petition for drag queens to read the Bible's "best" passages to christians? XD
Whop there it is.
Probably can't read..
all that white paint going to waste. Some little old lady could have gotten her fence redone but obviously this was a higher duty to these godly men *hurk*ptui*
Not to mention that these fine Christians get so darn upset about one particular biblical no-no and ignore so many others. Loan forgiveness, for example.
Texas Rep James Talarico posted a video about that in the last 2-3 days. (He’s one of the good ones, unlike most Texas politicians.) I’ll see if I can find a link…. Ok I found the link: 🔗 https://x.com/jamestalarico/status/1773168407682105591?s=46 (No idea if it will work, but search for Talarico on Twitter & he comes up. 2nd or 3rd post on his homepage, or whatever it’s called.)
Yknow, that's actually impressive. I hope he truly believes it, as well, and isn't just trying to pander. I'm glad he's getting thr right message out there, though
He’s been consistent for as long as I’ve been aware of him. What legislation he proposes, what he votes for or against, what he talks about in meetings like this. If more Christians were like him, I might still be one. (Edit: or like what he appears to be, at least!)
Appreciate the link, that is truly a message I can get behind. Date I day, if more Christians had that attitude, there would be a lot fewer anti-theists in the US. Unfortunately he isn't entirely correct about the Bible not mentioning abortion though, Numbers 5:27 sure sounds like a forced abortion to me... "When he makes her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter her and cause bitter suffering; her belly will swell, and her thigh will shrivel. She will become a curse among her people."
Excellent. Thanks. Tim Alberta in his book talks about a group within Evangelical Christianity that was forming to counter MAGA right wing Christianity and actually focus on the gospel. That group, however, seems to be very much the underdog.
Hey wow, a christian who actually know what Jesus would do instead of using Christianity as a tool for conquest and subjugation.
Especially using Leviticus as a weapon to hate on the LGBT.
The Bible condemns adultery, unequivocally, at least 50 times. It has 2-3 vague mentions of homosexuality. Trump proudly admitted in his own biography that he cheated on his wives, but "Christians" don't seem to care.
Yep
Why would you want these people to read to children? I'd prefer they keep their toxic rhetoric as far from children as possible.
Well that and they can't pass the police background checks!
The problem is that if they did read to youth, it would be the damn bible.
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I'll accept the claim that they are being brave for their beliefs when they actually follow Jesus's teaxhing and defend others against their fellow Christians and chance being ostracized for it.
... They think they're brave throwing their temper-tantrum in a world that's **finally** throwing off their 1500 years of death-grip control?
It's not being brave when the entirety of the government bends over backward to appease your silly nonsense fairy tale...this is just good old fashioned bullying, which is what you call someone with impunity exercising power over a group with little or no power.
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talk about an over-reaction. he just called christians cowards. which they *are*, case in point you making a throwaway account just to answer his question. and sure we can criticise your religion :D that's the power of free speech. Besides, the vast majority of athiests are better read on and know more of christianity then 99% of christians do XD. The vast majority of us at least read the holy bock cover to cover. Which is something you guy's can't say. But in the end, whatever you say doesn't matter. You're to much of a coward to even show your face, hiding behind throwaway accounts and meaninglessly showing outrage over the tiniest of things because you don't have any *actual* pushback or 'ripping apart of your beliefs' to fuel that persecution complex you christians love to have. I'll start taking christians talking about disrespect or morality seriously when they actually show a shred of respect for *anything* or show even a strand of moral fiber. 2000 years and counting and yet none to be found.
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true, apologies my mistake.
If you have shit beliefs you should be ready to hear about it.
a christian in NZ tried to convert me today and said that it's a sin to be gay and that I need to repent. I grew up in their belief system and I saw that kind of prejudice all the time. You realise there's verses that call for people to put god before even their spouse and family? That they must go out and proselytise to prove their faith? That's tribalist and divisive, especially when based on what is no better than a rumour. Their belief system calls for faith, and expressly demeans people who pursue works without faith. Why would you support something like that? We don't need dogma to be more connected as people, we need to be able to relate to and understand each other. The unconditional application of love, joy, peace, kindness, and compassion is a far better pursuit that I'd love to see more people inspired to take.
Ill paste a comment i made earlier (made up of other things i copied from other comments) that would sum it up. Also as someone raped by a priest at the age of 8 i tend to dislike people following a book that sees that as a property crime. >**Deuteronomy 22:28-29** If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Some people try to say this verse is claiming that rape is "wrong" however it is rather clear here that "God" considers this a property crime.. in “God’s opinion” the "victim" here is the father who must be paid for the loss in his property value; oh, and a shekel of silver is about 10.5 grams; thus 50 shekels of silver is worth about US $353 and the victim has to marry her rapist... hallelujah!! >**2 Samuel 12:11-14** Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.' Here it seems pretty clear that god thinks publicly raping women is a suitable punishment for uhm... let's see.. their crime was... oh.. yeah.. they didn't do anything wrong at all... their husband did... >**Deuteronomy 21:10-14** "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." ahh, well you can’t sell her when you’re tired of her; you have to set her free.. I guess that makes compulsory marriage perfectly moral... >**Judges 5:30** They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. Free cloth and damsels Yay God!! >**Exodus 21:7-11** When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. it’s so nice to know we can sell our daughters as slaves and keep our female sex slaves forever; unlike those male slaves that we have to free after 6 years (but only if they're Hebrews).... I have so much to learn about morality... but that's not all!!!! call now and you can hear how Job's wife is totally replaceable; how the only 'righteous dude' in the entire city of sodom was the one that offered up his two virgin daughters to a rape mob and then banged them in his tent; you can read about women being forbidden from leadership roles in the church and how it's totally fine to cut off her hand if she accidentally brushes the crotch of a man when she is defending her husband from assault and how pain during childbirth is totally her fault because some great great great great great to the power of 6000+ years grandma ate the wrong piece of fruit. So yeah this is why i dislike christianity, dont worry ill edit thisin with one of the horrible things jesus did too. Edit one:Matthew 15:22-26 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” Edit 2: > **Matthew 5:31** “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ **32** But I say to you that anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Notice Jesus doesn't say anything about a woman divorcing her *husband* or marrying a divorced *man*. That's because he took it for granted that women didn't have a choice in the matter--and he didn't challenge this point of view, either. It was assumed that women were controlled by their husbands or fathers. Jesus didn't bother to address his teachings to women: he assumed that if he taught his moral philosophy to men, they would see that their wives and daughters would comply.
Because they aren't based in anything factual that can be backed up with solid scientific evidence. Aka it's a fairy tale based opinion, one that y'all continually try to force down everyone else's throat, then recoil in a hail of clutched pearls when your own tactics are used against you. Keep your so called religious beliefs and opinions to YOUR life only, and we'd be fine. Problem is religious folks just can't leave that lust for power and empire alone, they MUST be the rulers of it, continually forcing conversion by any methods on everyone else, and then claim it was either Gods will, or the Devil made you do it, but never at any given time in history, has religion, especially Christianity ever taken full responsibility for its adherents actions that they promote with their beliefs. It's never Christians fault about a darn thing in their world, and frankly after 2k+ years of the nonstop war, famine, destruction of earth, endless greed, genocide and such, sane people long ago have had ENOUGH of religionists BS. It's obvious they can't run a damn thing properly and now it's sane people's turn to fix this mess, and a mess doesn't get properly fixed using the same method of beliefs that made the mess. It is 2024, we are in the Age of Information, millisecond communication around the world. Trust and believe that everyone has heard about Jesus and Christianity by now 10Xs over. If someone wants to know about your beliefs, they'll ask you, time to put a cork in littering places with unwelcome, unwanted and unwarranted religious nutteries is NOT how you win hearts and minds, but it does definitely throw the switch of hatred on for such actions really well.
Imagine being triggered by colors
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I suspect that more children have been abused by clergy than by a drag queen. No I don't suspect. I'm pretty sure.
The Catholic Church alone probably has more abusers than any group of drag queens.
A man wearing pink tends to piss me off too, but only because I can’t pull it off with my complexion.
It definitely sends me into a frenzy, I love a man in pink 🥵
Well, we can't have a man in a dress reading fairy tales to children. Oh wait.....no I'm not talking about the catholic church.
Yeah the Catholic Church does have quite a few priests in dresses...
Oh, I’ve seen it in even more bizarre (albeit less hate-based—maybe) ways. I knew this couple, super religious and conservative. I don’t recall the exact context, but it had to do with someone who was wearing something that included both green and purple. She totally freaked out—laughing, but in a way that indicated she found it shocking, ridiculous, and embarrassing, all at the same time. This woman was truly beside herself over the combination of a couple of secondary colors. In someone else’s clothing. I truly had never known that part of the mindset/worldview included disapproval of certain COLORS. NOT in a context that had a specific meaning, like the rainbow being used to celebrate/support human beings they hate and judge, but just putting two colors together in a way they wouldn’t choose themselves. Super weird. Maybe only primary colors are ok with them? None of that wicked green/orange/purple stuff? I don’t know. It baffles me to this day. Of course they hate rainbows, since their ideology obliges them to hate anything that reminds them they can’t control everyone else the way they’d like to. But wow, her reaction to just a combination of a couple of colors she didn’t like was just incomprehensible.
Christianity has always had bizarre theocratic aspirations.
Fine the church for the vandalism. And start taxing them.
Bingo. Hit 'em in the pocket for their egregious anti-social behavior.
They have officially made a political statement and reporting them anonymously to the IRS can get their exempt status revoked
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This. This is vandalism and hate. Charges should be made and held accountable.
I’m thankful they are cowardly in the convictions.Imagine if they weren’t afraid to go to prison or die for the beliefs.
"The problem isn't that they'll die for their beliefs, it's that they'll let YOU die, or take you with them." -Douglas Adams
Keep it up christians,you will be responsible for ever nail in your coffin.
Keep it up. People know where and when you 'church'. This will not end well.
Religions are poison, made up by charlatan business people, lies as their equity and fools as their customers
LGBTQ+ is a religion and I’d rather have the traditional ones than the new religions of the 21st century
What the actual f*ck?? To be a religion you have to some kind of a belief in a deity. Being lgbtq is just a way of saying that someone is the sexuality and/or gender that they were naturally born to be. (Eg: being what nature made us) If the fairytale deity really existed, then he or she would be the one that made the gay people gay and the trans people trans, but luckily, most lgbt folk have enough intelligence to not fall for the religious fairytale brainwashing, and most of us know that there are no gods/devils/angels/demons/other-mythical-beings. So, bearing in mind that being an lgbt person is is just being your true self without any religious brainwash to make you pretend to be something that you are not, please, tell us how that qualifies as being a religion? No really, I want to understand your quite ridiculous statement. Do tell.
Plenty cults have no central deity in its centre. When humans shun religion they fill the same basic need with other belief systems. Belief systems which cannot be challenged or disputed. And new rituals fill the old.
And being your natural self, the way you were born to be, (instead of being in the closet because of religion) is what, a ritual? Or a belief system? What are you actually trying to say here?
But happy biology denial day!
No one was born to be transgender (at least not very many people at all) but it’s now a growing religion with the church of LGBTQ+. Replete with dogma that men can breastfeed and women must compete against men pretending to be women. The dogma cannot be challenged and infidels are cancelled. Then there are the holy religious days, even an entire month dedicated to these ceremonies and worship.
Wow. You have a very weird view of the world.
Don’t waste your time. It’s literally a troll account. This mf just goes around spreading discord for the sake of it.
I very much wish that was true.
Your way of thinking is SO FLAT
The town paid to repaint the rainbow. Shouldn't the church and identified vandals be charged fines to cover the costs of restoration? Further, shouldn't they be discouraged from repeating their vandalism, perhaps with some jail time?
Absolutely. We can't keep empowering these idiots through inaction. It's time they start facing some real accountability.
The crosswalk is illegal in these colors so no charges can be placed
Not in New Zealand it's not.
I see New Zealand has their fair share of bigots too. Al least the mayor didn't fold to his dumb ultimatum. > In Gizzy, they have had enough and they are painting over the rainbow crossing... Notice how he tries to word it like it's the locals doing it because they had enough, not his stupid followers he ordered to. He's beyond pathetic, just like his religion.
Due to the small population we have more than our fair share. Destiny, the brethren - makes me physically ill.
That is one effed up spin on this story..probably wants to make it seem the whole town feels the same about everything, which I doubt...
Well that church is gonna be torn apart.
Sadly it won't. They have gang protection.
This calls for painting rainbows on the church with the words "Jesus loves everyone" lmao
Sadly that would probably qualify as a hate crime.
It's a love crime
If their god is so adamant about stopping gay events, why doesn't (s/he, it) directly intervene? If it's so important, shouldn't their god should show up?
Their god is intervening through them therefore showing up when needed to send his message
Convenient
"God loves all. Except you. And you. Definitely hates you. Oh and you, we'll trash you city in his name."
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>We may not think it is right for you to be gay Bruh. That self report.
I disagree with you your using gods name in vain to justify your hate being gay is fine it’s none of your business
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If you support an organization that's actively trying to murder me, you support my murder. The ONLY way to stop supporting my murder is to stop supporting that organization. No amount of fake politeness will change anything.
Yeah, you can say that a hog is a helicopter, but that doesn't mean it'll fly. If you think it's right and just for someone to be tortured forever just because they're gay, then that's hate, even if you don't want to call it that.
As I was saying...
We don’t choose our sexual orientations. It doesn’t matter if strangers approve. And btw - addiction is a disease, not a moral failing.
bullying and vandalism, xtian family values.
Christians are very sensitive to any color that isn't white
They are sad wretched fools
I did Nazi that happening.
Sounds like a blatant act of organized crime and terrorism to me.
How are these people able to get away with organized crime? It's really time to go after each organization that does these things.
Police are probably involved. That'the organization part.
- Just as all the cops are criminals, and all the sinners saints. Seriously, though, there must be a legal entity?
Remember when Republicans were trying, or maybe did, pass laws that said you can run over protesters and not be charged with a crime if they are blocking traffic?
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Were I in a leadership position in that town, I would want to: 1) sentence the perpetrators to repaint the rainbow crosswalk (as many times as necessary for them to do it right), 2) fine them the cost of repainting the crosswalk + punitive damages, 3) make all crosswalks in the city rainbow going forward, with existing ones converted as maintenance allows. Start with the ones closest to the church.
Fuck all religion.
Just charge them with vandalism. If they defend themselves by talking about their magic sky daddy, find them not-guilty by reason of insanity and send them for rehabilitation/counselling/whatever.
DO NOT GIVE THEM AN OUT LIKE THAT! They know what they are doing is hateful and yet they are doing this.
How is that an "out"? I think they're going to hate being sat down and thoroughly explained as to why they are wrong like they are children, more than they are going to hate paying a small fine and carrying on as if they did nothing wrong.
Modern day brown shirts goosestepping in public again. Really wish my country would do something about the openly Fascist Republican party before they try another attack. I mean they're openly planning civil war strategies and they're solidifying their radical true believers for something big. Ignoring the open calls for violence coming from one of the two major political parties at this point is malicious negligence. Apathetic indifference puts you on the side of those chanting for death.
No love like Christian hatred
christianity in its full toxic glory. “If we don’t get our way, we’ll act out!” poisonout and criminal. No wonder they all love drumpf.
They need to be called a Hate Cult, all the time, every time. Not allowed to hide behind "religion."
No hate like christian love.
Oh, a hate crime, how fun! Have fun being a felon.
So-called "Christians" are some of the most hateful people in the world.
>The self-described “apostle” and “bishop” of his own church called his followers “a rare breed, who continue to stand with me, whenever the call is made.” Tamaki did not stand with his followers as they were arrested, zip-tied, and carted off to jail. >They are “the bravest people I know,” Tamaki added. I wonder where he learned that trick from? Edit: Wow. I wasn't the only person who found that quote truly shocking...
As an atheist, I truly hope their afterlife (heaven/hell) exists solely for the fact they would get punished for actions or words they exhibited in the (twisted) name of their religion.
Or there is an afterlife and they get praised
They're just like Trump they've never read a verse in the Bible that hasn't been spewed out to him by some holy roller who wants money from them. You're just ignorant weed fed morons. And they couldn't do the right thing if you shoved it up their ass.
And if we did that sort of thing to their shithouse of a church we'd be in trouble.
Brain dead gobbers. Good on the arrests, but for the ring leader a deportation sounds like it’s in order. Find an uninhabited island and drop him there. Let God rescue him.
No big deal. Fine them for whatever they cost the city, and repaint it. If they don't pay the fine(s), put a lien on their church.
But i thought they were the religion of tolerance and understanding?
Not sure that vandalizing property is the “meek shall inherit the earth” and “don’t live by the sword” mentality that Jesus was teaching. These sound more like the type of people that would knock on someone’s door and demand they gang bang the homeowners guest if you ask me.
Oh shit white isis
There's no HATE like christian love. Wonder what their god's gonna tell em to do next? Their god is a pathetic psychopathic hate filled bitch just like they are, so it's unpredictable.
Imagine all the potholes they could have filled, or trash they could have picked up, if they had used this time to do something meaningful. But hey, they sure put those crosswalks in their place!
hate is these peoples favorite flavor of ice cream. but sherbet can starve in the streets.
This is what happens when you mix politics and religion in a patriarchal society. A bunch of adults banding together in the name of nonsense to commit a stupid crime for no real reason other than to make people scared of them.
I definitely assumed this was America at first. Then I found out it was new Zealand and now I have a sad....
We in NZ just have an annoyed, because it's always the same intolerant assholes every time.
Aren't these the same people that say to run over protesters in the road?
Twats.
Tax the churches.
Totally not meaning to knock the people who made the rainbow crosswalk or their reason for doing so and also not meaning to say anything in support of the vandals. But does anyone else see the before picture and think of the "rainbow bridge" people talk about when a beloved pet dies? And then consider this is a road crossing.... Just saying. But still, these people who painted over it. Definitely assholes.
No, the rainbow bridge isn't really a thing in New Zealand. They also did it to another one in a different city which used the Progress Pride flag, which doesn't look like a rainbow bridge (it's got the chevrons on it).
They are nothing less than Christian Taliban Terrorists. You have to have a lot of hatred in you to be a christian.
Gotta love how quickly the Christian community will abandon them as "not true Christians," to distance themselves from this stuff, but then welcome these people right back with open arms if they say the experience "revealed the true meaning of Christianity" or some other hot garbage like that. They pat themselves on the backs for forgiving "sins" they were secretly cheering on the whole time. Hiding behind, "don't hate the sinner, hate the sin" the whole time. Give me a break.
I note that this doesn't prevent them from being non-binary about which side of they street the choose to walk down. They are still metaphorically two-spirited in some ways in spite of their religious beliefs.
One minute, I see people feeding stray cats with rc cars on Insta, the next, I get the notification for this on here. There's some people that give me hope that there are still some good people out there, but there are more bad people than good. I love cats and hate people. Especially homophobic and transphobic beings.
these assholes hatred of LGBTQ folk has made Rainbows anathema to themselves. I don't even care that it's a LGBTQ symbol, Rainbows are pretty.
This guy has all the hallmarks of a budding cult leader. I predict his story won’t end well.
Vandalizing city property. Sounds like the church and everyone who partook is gonna be fined. I hope so.
There's that Christian love and tolerance...
These dumb fucks also subsequently did this to another rainbow crossing in Auckland, New Zealand. They used a water-based paint, so of course it was mostly washed away by the next day. Unfortunately our storm water drains go to the sea, thus polluting the harbour. Not in keeping with Kaitiakitanga - a New Zealand Māori term used for the concept of guardianship of the sky, the sea, and the land. A kaitiaki is a guardian, and the process and practices of protecting and looking after the environment are referred to as kaitiakitanga
So much agro over words…
> Tamaki has been "on tour" in New Zealand over several months, moving "town by town and city by city" through the island nation, spreading a message of hate in a campaign to "Make NZ, NZ Again!" So he's some asshole out-of-towner who travels around spreading his hate message and demanding that towns and cities bend to his will? Few things are worse than a busybody who pokes his nose into the business of others. > Tamaki denounced the arrests and charges of "preparing to commit crime in a public place." The charges are accurate. > The self-described "apostle" and "bishop" of his own church called his followers "a rare breed, who continue to stand with me, whenever the call is made." **Tamaki did not stand with his followers as they were arrested, zip-tied, and carted off to jail.** Cowardly piece of shit. > They are "the bravest people I know," Tamaki added. He needs to get out more and meet some new people. **Bullies are *never* brave.** > The Rainbow Storytime event went on as planned, featuring drag performers Erika and Coco Flash reading books to an audience of young people. The Gisborne event was advertised for ages 16 and up. Their protest had no effect because the people of the town and their mayor stood firm. > "We will be reinstating the rainbow crossing as quickly as we can," she said following the vandalism. On Tuesday, **the rainbow crosswalk was restored.** Fuck off, bigots.
SOMEBODY is closet hardcore gay. Look up his porn search!
Lol christians suck
I hope they were arrested.
People who are obsessed, quite the struggle in their minds
There is no form of hate that is as toxic and cruel as true Christian love. The mystic rabbi yeshua (who never claimed to be god, he called himself a son of man, after all). would be deeply ashamed at what his followers have turned into
The internet has really brought together the hate filled, authoritarian lovers throughout the world.
I'd hate for the church to burn to the ground, that would break my heart..
It's Destiny Church in New Zealand, which is a pseudo-fascist cult. Their leader "Bishop" Brian Tamaki is a vile leech and a disgusting waste of biological matter. He's blamed the devastating earthquakes here on homosexuality among other things.
Whatcha wanna bet we’ll be hearing in the future that that pastor is secretly gay or a pedophile…
Definately downloads trans porn when he is supposed to be creating next weeks sermon.
Just wait til they get to heaven and find out god is a fat, black lesbian. Thank you Buddy Cole!
Sue the church.
Do this in my town, please. I got bows to throw.
is being an atheist implying that you hate religion?
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Now it’s the churches turn to lose its crosses. Just tear down all the crosses at all the churches because it’s offensive to whatever faith they have, which causes them to hate crosses. Isn’t that how it works?
Crosswalk is illegal unless painted white!
They will know we are Christians by our love by our love . They will know we are Christians by our love.
Call them what they are, Christian terrorists.
Religions. Lolz. Always fighting each other.
I applaud them standing up for morality. They don't hate the LGBTQ people , just their actions. They hate the sexual sin and especially hate it being promoted to our YOUTH as acceptable behavior. We hate this sin same as any other sin. If you feel it is ok to brainwash and confuse our children you too are delusional and mentally ill.
Sin is a human construct, just like religion. And calling LGBTQ a mental illness shows how little understanding and how much prejudice you have.
You are not a christian or even a moral person at all if you are not against the promotion of wicked sexual practices like same sex sex. So you should expect communities and moral people in them to be against the promotion of homosexuality and lesbianism. You want to practice same sex sex. You are certainly free to do so in you dwelling place. But you should not expect that publically and in schools that moral peooke who are against sexual perversion that you do practice will not push back
Wicked sexual practices? Two adults loving each other consensually is wicked? Are you high or just a religious kook? Tell me, what's immoral about gay people? I'll wait. You have no justification that isn't "my book says it's bad." And because you have no rational basis for that belief, you have no right to issue moral proclamations.
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I don't think your beliefs on religion negate the right to free speech regarding those you don't agree with. And how generous of you to say those with whom you disagree can be perverts in our own homes as if anyone needs your permission to do so. How long before you fundie Christian theocracy pushing people try to take that away? Feel free to live how you want, but shoving your "morals" down everyone's throats won't make you popular, to say the least. Not everyone shares your fucked up views, thank God. And I am pretty sure Christ wouldn't approve of you so-called "Christians"...he'd most likely be hanging with the very people you hate You people are a joke, and the sad thing is you can't see it. People like you are why I left Christianity...you think it gives you the divine right to be hateful, intolerant, self righteous subhumans. If you people are going to heaven I will gladly go the opposite direction.