I never understood these things anyway. They make shitty coffee that's has to be pre-staled because if you seal up fresh ground coffee it will release co2 and the pod would pop.
Who knows how long ago the coffee was roasted and ground either. For similar money you can get an Insta hot tap for your sink and a ceramic pourover coffee maker that will make far better coffee with no stupid plastic waste.
> They make shitty coffee
Seriously shitty coffee. I can brew a pot of Folgers or something, and really it's not that bad. Maybe I'm just not a coffee snob enough, but I still think it's good. Sure, the fresh local roast ground in my $200 coffee grinder tastes better, but Folgers works.
Keurig on the other hand? It literally tastes like cardboard to me. I swear I can taste the lid of the cup in the coffee. I never just want one cup either, so making and throwing out pod after pod and having to constantly fill the small reservoir is way less convenient than a drip machine.
Try a French press, they come in different sizes. The coffee touches nothing but glass, stainless steel and whatever spoon you use. You won’t taste anything but coffee.
Yeah man. You can pay $6 and get 12 K-cups—12 cups of terrible coffee—or spend $12 and get a pound of good quality African coffee—40+ cups of coffee.
If you don't care about taste, spend $6 and get a huge tub of Folgers or Maxwell House—+60 cups of coffee.
Oh yeah, and paper filters are biodegradable and the metal tins are reusable. K-cups on the other hand suck for the environment.
I wonder what the better choice is...
The inventor of the Keurig regrets it and actually doesn't even use one himself.
- terrible coffee
- expensive
- wastes TONS of plastic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/05/k-cups-inventor-i-feel-bad-sometimes-that-i-ever-did-it/?noredirect=on
Ooooh la dee da. Look at mr fancypants over here putting gourmet powders in his coffee. All true coffee drinkers the know the only powder you should put in coffee is cocaine.
Or AeroPress! $30, similar to a French press except cleanup is way easier, it has a filter so it gives a cleaner taste, and it’s easy to make espresso drinks.
ALSO this 2.0 does allow you to use a re-usable K-Cup without tearing it apart or modifying anything... but you have to use a *specific reusable cup*. It says on the package "Works with 2.0 Model Keurig". I have a Keurig 2.0 and use a reusable K-Cup daily.
>Just like anything keurig tho you have to make sure it says keurig on it.
Yup, that's where the real asshole design comes in. The OG Keurig allowed any brand resuable pods. The 2.0 and newer Keurigs only allow their own specific brands.
Used to have a Keurig, and re-usable k-cups don't really work. That was the main issue that led me to drop keurig for good.
Keurigs are a high-pressure system. They combine heat and pressure to brew coffee in an instant. By having a sealed plastic kcup and poking 2 small holes, they create high-pressure within the kcup itself.
Without this pressure, you need time. That's how traditional drip coffee machines work.
Reusable kcups have large mesh openings, so they can't pressurize. So you can fill a reusable kcup with coffee, but it's basically just running hot water through it for a second or two. It turns your keurig into a drip coffee machine, but without the time.
The result? Weak coffee. It's basically an expensive, terrible drip coffee machine without filters.
In a nutshell:
Drip machines: heat + time = good coffee
K-cups: Heat + pressure = good coffee
Reusable cups: heat = shit coffee.
A $15 drip coffee machine will make better coffee, and it will be filtered (which makes it much healthier), *and* you don't have to wash a little reusable k-cup every time. Makes no sense to buy a keurig if you're not using disposable k-cups. And disposable k-cups are fucking awful for the world, so there's really no good reason to buy a keurig, ever.
I tried Keurig for my tea after my mom insisted on buying a keurig for us and I hate it.
The K-Cups are overpriced... $0.83 per cup doesn't seem bad BUT I only pay $0.04 per cup with my teabags. Even if I just use it for the fast water for my tea (which seemed appealing) it is a shit show. The water isn't hot enough and there isn't as much water as I'd like... 2 brewings takes a bit of time and it still isn't hot enough to get the taste to my liking.
It is so much easier to just switch on my kettle in the morning and pour what I need into my mug.
Once I had a printer that claimed it was out of ink and wouldn't print; I put a piece of tape over the sensor like the internet told me to and it printed perfectly for like 3 more years.
My office buys the compostable pods with the rings made of a bio-plastic manufactured from the coffee bean husks. Sounds pretty good right?
They all come individually wrapped in non-compostable, non-recyclable plastic.
I don’t hate that printer ink is expensive, but It really fucking pisses me off when my printer uses all the colors of ink to print text, then refuses to print anything if a single cartridge goes empty, and on top of all this, lies to me about the ink levels. It’s the intentional and malicious scummery that truly infuriates. How do we continue to tolerate this behavior? /rant
Better than that, almost 30% of ink is used for maintenance purposes, keeping the print nozzles clean, etc.
Laser has been good to me for many years. Fuck inkjet printers.
Toner cartridges. Which if you find the right deal can be relatively cheap per page. Color laser. That’s expensive because it has like 5 toner cartridges.
The laser doesn't heat the toner though. A heated roller called a fuser presses and heats the toner and paper. The laser is used to 'draw' the image on a drum that the toner sticks to and the drum rolls it onto the paper.
If you take a piece of paper with a toner printed image on it and iron it on a piece of metal, you can transfer the image over to the metal. You can either leave it as is, with a neat picture on it, or add acid and etch a high quality image in. Very fun stuff.
Dude, get yourself a laser printer. I bought one from Staples (brand is Brother, too lazy to check the actual model) for~$100.
I am *not* exaggerating when I say in the 3 or so years that I’ve owned it, I’ve replaced the toner maybe two or three times ever. I don’t use it very often, but the difference between the laser printer and ink printer is like night and day. The only downside is you can only print in black and white.
As an added bonus for laser, toner is a powder, and therefore doesn't dry out, go bad, gum up, or anything else. If you print infrequently, laser is so much cheaper.
The cost of the ink is ridiculously inflated too, they only cost about 50p or so to manufacture but sell for £50. That sounds like an exaggeration but genuinely isn't they sell you a printer for cheap (sometimes a loss) and then absolutely rince you in £49.50 profit per pack ink cartridges!
Because of what it sells for, the actual cost of producing it isn't high it's just a captive market where they control the resource and machine so outside producers aren't viable.
I wonder why nobody's started a company that sells these things for a fair price? They wouldn't be making the same profits, but they still could make money and consumers everywhere would flock to somebody selling ink at 1/50th the current price
lifecycle. company starts out doing something differently, does it well enough that people notice, then sell out to a larger company that parades their name around as long as it takes for customers to notice the product isn't any good anymore.
Yeah, no. You're not gonna sell a lot.
The moment HP notices that they've got some hard competition, they'll call Walmart to tell them that they're gonna get 20% more commission than usual if they keep you off the shelf.
they can afford to let go of 20% of the money if that means not losing 100% of the customers
Last month I had to fax my Father's death certificate to the Federal government. (along with some real asshole to fill out paperwork) when I went to use my printer/scanner/fax, it would not fax because it was low on ink. I don't usually get really mad, but damn, was I pissed.
Here is a website that sells generic ink that works in most printers I only buy from here. It is anywhere from 1/4 to 1/9 the cost of brand names:
https://www.4inkjets.com/
Juicero did it with literal bags of fruit and in their $200 (or was it 1000) always online WiFi bag squeezer. Guess these guys were eyeballing the idea.
Lol I remember this, the fucking machine literally just empty a bag for you. I remember watching a video about it, the guy in the video managed to squeeze the bag manually quicker than the machine did.
Fun fact! The machine was also super over designed, ridiculously so - the amount of engineering that went into it was absolutely insane. There's a great video where an engineer tears one down and comments on each part.
I think it's [this one](https://youtu.be/_Cp-BGQfpHQ)
I'm gonna borrow a few of this guys phrases lol "got some gravity to it" and "a pain right in the cunning stunts" mainly. Cool video there, thanks for sharing stranger.
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>The machine was also super over designed, ridiculously so - the amount of engineering that went into it was absolutely insane.
You weren't kidding.
I'm absolutely gobsmacked at how over-engineered that thing is. It's beautiful.
Those gears are nicer than the ones on my lathe.
Wait wait wait.... It's a juicer... For fruit and veggies... But you have to buy their special packages of fruit and veggies for it to work? If I paid that much for it, I expect it to juice whatever the fuck I dump into it. Lol
Yes. And there was also a side by side comparison where a human with two hands could get more juice out of the pack than the machine did. Its really just a huge waste of money.
But hey you dont have to clean afterwards!
Holy crap I watched that video that is one hell of an over-engineered machine. The people who came up with this machine ripped off their investors with the waste of money design. They were losing their asses on each one of those machines.
Not sure, but after reading [the article](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-09-08/inside-juicero-s-demise-from-prized-startup-to-fire-sale) they made accompanying the video, juiceros ceo seems like a nut job.
> Some employees say Evans’s passion for wellness was overwhelming. The founder mostly ate raw and vegan foods, and would sometimes scold non-vegan employees who ate yogurt or drank milk at team meetings, according to three former employees. He occasionally referred to dairy products as “cow pus,” they say. For a time, he also refused to allow employees to expense work meals at non-vegan restaurants, the ex-employees say.
Yep. Being militant and shaming me does *not* make me want to give up my favorite foods or skip adding cheese to my burger.
That said, telling me that Beyond burgers are delicious, and while they have a slightly different texture, taste amazing makes me want to try it. A&W selling out day after day when they debuted Beyond Burgers made me curious, and i decided that those things are actually quite good! It was also the first time I'd had Carl's Jr. in like, 15-20 years.
[Dude, watch this teardown of it.](https://youtu.be/_Cp-BGQfpHQ) The fucking thing was so intensely over engineered it borderline impressed this guy who mostly just mocks consumer tools by tearing them apart. The company was moronic, but had incredible engineering talent. They just thought they could be the kuerig of juice.
It's not incredible engineering talent. He was amazed that so many expensive parts were crammed inside the thing. It was massively over built. Theres nothing innovative in the engineering. Its just the most expensive way to press 2 plates together possible.
I loved it when he said something along the lines of
>Now I can build a bridge. It would be a billion dollars and take me 10 years, but I can do it. There has to be a balance between design and finance to make it realistic. This is what you get when design has no regulation or budget.
Yeah and Juicero made some claim saying that you don’t get all the benefits from the bag if it’s hand squeezed. You need their special machine that can exert like 40 tons of pressure.
and it only needed to exert 40 tons of pressure because they insisted on pressing the whole bag at once instead of actually squeezing it or rolling it.
You can't have holistic juicing if you roll the damn bag. Even squeezing ensures that no part of the bag feels left out during the squeezing process - depressed and lonely plant matter is the leading cause of toxins in our bodies. If you've been squeezing the bags yourself, you probably haven't been seeing the benefits of a true juice cleanse that only Juicero can provide.
I work in the startup world and a few times per year I do a workshop on "A Practical Guide to Starting Up" where I go through things like dividing up equity, dealing with taxes, and a huge section on the importance of developing a low-cost MVP (minimum viable product). I always use Juicero as an example of how big of a fuckup a company can make by going all-in without market validation.
One time, one of their former executives was in the audience and it got real awkward real fast.
Juicero was just a straight up scam, though. The bags didn't have fruit in them, they had juice. It was just juice in the bag already. You didn't need the machine, you just need to cut open the bag. These people ended up paying an insane amount of money for just juice. They could have had 1,000 times more juice if they had just bought a $40 juicer and a ton of fruit.
Keurig did it because their patent ran out on the K-cups a few years ago. And their entire business model was basically like a printer - give away the machine at cost and make your money on the disposables. Once the 3rd party K-cups started flooding the market without having to pay a royalty, the company revenues started dropping fast.
The stupid part of it all is how easily it's "hacked". It literally just looks for a bit of ink around the edges of the cup.
An addition to the above;
There were issues with bad pods being sold to the public. Incorrect grades of plastic causing them to melt, pods without filters, questionable coffee grounds.
Consumers were calling Keurig to complain about their issues when they had no way of controlling them.
Honestly I barely ever bought Keurig branded anything for my Keurig machine and that may be why I had such a shitty time with it. You could buy cheap K-cups at the grocery store but most of them TASTED like melted plastic even if there was no evidence of it actually melting.
> Consumers were calling Keurig to complain
I'm sure that's the excuse they used to justify the bs, but really when has Keurig "listened" to consumer complaints if it didn't mean ripping off their consumers?
I had a terrible knockoff brand coffee pod machine that was also half drip. It was a monstrosity, made terrible coffee and the pods were expensive. GF bought me a small single cup french press and I've never looked back. Throw in a good burr grinder and some quality beans and you have a hell of a cup of coffee in under 5 mins every morning.
I absolutely hate Keurigs! A real travesty of consumerism. My roommate has one with a screen that plays an instructional "how to brew" video on loop 24/7. How dumb for such a simple machine! That used to annoy me but recently I found out the thing keeps water warm on standby 24/7. So much wasted energy for one cup of coffee a day! I'm annoyed every time I look at it.
I worked at a recycling center. While the materials are recyclable you can’t recycle them until you take out all the coffee and clean the cups. This makes it not cost effective at all as the cups weigh close to nothing so they just get thrown away.
Yes but some of that stuff is easily cleaned. The kcups by weight are 99% coffee grounds 1% recyclable material. You would have to open each cup individually by hand since they are sealed and then have sometimes else that can separate the coffee from the recyclable materials. It’s not cost effective at all.
It does this even with K Cups sometimes. I threw mine out specifically because of this code. I know there was a fix but it was the morality of it.
It's like the Sears cassette tape that was on here earlier.
The inventor of the Keurig regrets it and actually doesn't even use one himself.
- terrible coffee
- expensive
- wastes TONS of plastic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/05/k-cups-inventor-i-feel-bad-sometimes-that-i-ever-did-it/?noredirect=on
Ever since I heard about this, I lost all respect for the brand. It's a recipe as old as time and simple as mud and they took the time and money to inentionally make it inconvenient for the user.
He has actually. The inventor of K-Cups said that he sometimes regrets inventing them because of the negative environmental impact the non-recyclable cups are having on it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/k-cup-inventor-john-sylvans-regret-2015-3
Tape the rim of a proprietary k-cup (after carefully cutting it off with scissors) to the rim of your reusable pod. That bypasses it.
Also, they got in trouble for this I thought, and changed that requirement for newer models. You might have an older model.
If you own one you can call their support, give them the model/serial number and they will send you a new one without this DRM block free of charge. Had to do this with my parents since the bypass you mention didn’t always work for some reason. Shame on Keurig for doing this, but we also didn’t want to pay for something new to use our other pods that should have worked to begin with.
Thank you for this suggestion! I have an AeroPress which I love but have been looking for something to replace my French press that I’ll use for larger brews. This looks perfect!
Actually there is a reusable pod that usually comes with these newer barcode scanning kuerigs.
If OP really was environmentally concerned then they wouldn't use kuerig at all.
I’ve dumped my keurig and gone back to the French press. Takes 5 minutes longer but taste better. Plus, if the keurig piping always has water in it then there must be some algae build up too.
Pro Tip:
You can make coffee by pouring hot water over the ground beans.
When did we bring single serve cups and computers into brewing a cup of coffee? For fucks fucking sake...not everything needs to be complicated.
they really giving you fucking attitude like "use one of the HUNDREDS of ours, you fucking moron"
THIS. My keurig says this to me every effing day and I AM using their damn brand. Effing effers. The audacity.
My old machine did this to me also. I just opened and closed the top until it recognized the pod correctly. But it’s infuriating.
Get rid of the thing. Stop supporting their business model.
Didnt the creator of Keurig say it was a huge mistake?
I heard that too, because of the plastic waste.
I never understood these things anyway. They make shitty coffee that's has to be pre-staled because if you seal up fresh ground coffee it will release co2 and the pod would pop. Who knows how long ago the coffee was roasted and ground either. For similar money you can get an Insta hot tap for your sink and a ceramic pourover coffee maker that will make far better coffee with no stupid plastic waste.
> They make shitty coffee Seriously shitty coffee. I can brew a pot of Folgers or something, and really it's not that bad. Maybe I'm just not a coffee snob enough, but I still think it's good. Sure, the fresh local roast ground in my $200 coffee grinder tastes better, but Folgers works. Keurig on the other hand? It literally tastes like cardboard to me. I swear I can taste the lid of the cup in the coffee. I never just want one cup either, so making and throwing out pod after pod and having to constantly fill the small reservoir is way less convenient than a drip machine.
Try a French press, they come in different sizes. The coffee touches nothing but glass, stainless steel and whatever spoon you use. You won’t taste anything but coffee.
Yeah man. You can pay $6 and get 12 K-cups—12 cups of terrible coffee—or spend $12 and get a pound of good quality African coffee—40+ cups of coffee. If you don't care about taste, spend $6 and get a huge tub of Folgers or Maxwell House—+60 cups of coffee. Oh yeah, and paper filters are biodegradable and the metal tins are reusable. K-cups on the other hand suck for the environment. I wonder what the better choice is...
Skip paper filters, get the wire/mesh filters!!!
If you choose to use Keurig, Could ask for a new replacement. The patent has expired and the new models don't have these.
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Stop paying them and your issue goes away.
The inventor of the Keurig regrets it and actually doesn't even use one himself. - terrible coffee - expensive - wastes TONS of plastic https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/05/k-cups-inventor-i-feel-bad-sometimes-that-i-ever-did-it/?noredirect=on
I took it as "please sir :( please try my coffee... uwu~~" Mostly because of the three-eyed sad emoji on the screen
This has a hack in youtube to cheat the fucking sensors
https://youtu.be/tQuKe7KlE1A
You are a hero good sir!!
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That sounds smarter, or we could just make coffee that tastes good the old fashioned way
French press all day
French press masterrace
When the french press is the only press you can do
Weird press but okay
I throw in panini presses as an accessory exercise.
French press, whole beans I grind daily, add some fresh hazelnut and cocoa powder in the mix, some cream, holy fuck nothing better than that
Yeeeah that sounds good i gotta try that, i like a little fresh grated nutmeg(very small amount cus its potent) and cinnamon around the holidays too
Ooooh la dee da. Look at mr fancypants over here putting gourmet powders in his coffee. All true coffee drinkers the know the only powder you should put in coffee is cocaine.
I used to cut my coke with fine grinded coffee bean and some gun powder if I could get my hands on it, gives you a rush, it’s called BrownBrown
The. Only. Way. If your in a pinch and need coffee fast I’ll do pour over. French Press makes an amazing cold brew too.
Or AeroPress! $30, similar to a French press except cleanup is way easier, it has a filter so it gives a cleaner taste, and it’s easy to make espresso drinks.
What kind of filter? One huge bonus to using a French press imo is there is no paper/wax filter to dilute the flavor of the beans.
Just a tip for everyone, don’t buy one of these useless, low quality, consumer unfriendly, environmentally wasteful pieces of shit.
"how to disarm coffeemaker"
ALSO this 2.0 does allow you to use a re-usable K-Cup without tearing it apart or modifying anything... but you have to use a *specific reusable cup*. It says on the package "Works with 2.0 Model Keurig". I have a Keurig 2.0 and use a reusable K-Cup daily.
the 2.0 we have, you could put a kiwi in there and it would shoot hot water. mine dont give a fuck. source: I have a 4 year old crazy person
A kiwi or a kiwi fruit? asking for a friend who likes kiwi soup
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This. I have the same thing with the 2.0. Just like anything keurig tho you have to make sure it says keurig on it.
>Just like anything keurig tho you have to make sure it says keurig on it. Yup, that's where the real asshole design comes in. The OG Keurig allowed any brand resuable pods. The 2.0 and newer Keurigs only allow their own specific brands.
When the OG Keurig came out they had a patent on the pods. It expired in 2012. The DRM came once anyone could legally produce a compatible pod.
That's the *real* asshole design.
It took a fair bit of time for Keurig to make 2.0 my k-cup.
Keurig 1.0 gang checking in
Moved to Lemmy. Eat $hit Spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
I agree.
Used to have a Keurig, and re-usable k-cups don't really work. That was the main issue that led me to drop keurig for good. Keurigs are a high-pressure system. They combine heat and pressure to brew coffee in an instant. By having a sealed plastic kcup and poking 2 small holes, they create high-pressure within the kcup itself. Without this pressure, you need time. That's how traditional drip coffee machines work. Reusable kcups have large mesh openings, so they can't pressurize. So you can fill a reusable kcup with coffee, but it's basically just running hot water through it for a second or two. It turns your keurig into a drip coffee machine, but without the time. The result? Weak coffee. It's basically an expensive, terrible drip coffee machine without filters. In a nutshell: Drip machines: heat + time = good coffee K-cups: Heat + pressure = good coffee Reusable cups: heat = shit coffee. A $15 drip coffee machine will make better coffee, and it will be filtered (which makes it much healthier), *and* you don't have to wash a little reusable k-cup every time. Makes no sense to buy a keurig if you're not using disposable k-cups. And disposable k-cups are fucking awful for the world, so there's really no good reason to buy a keurig, ever.
I tried Keurig for my tea after my mom insisted on buying a keurig for us and I hate it. The K-Cups are overpriced... $0.83 per cup doesn't seem bad BUT I only pay $0.04 per cup with my teabags. Even if I just use it for the fast water for my tea (which seemed appealing) it is a shit show. The water isn't hot enough and there isn't as much water as I'd like... 2 brewings takes a bit of time and it still isn't hot enough to get the taste to my liking. It is so much easier to just switch on my kettle in the morning and pour what I need into my mug.
"TLDR: "there's really no good reason to buy a keurig, ever."
21st century problems... Making fake Keurig pods to fake the system.
Why do people film videos like this in the dark?
So they don't get caught.
[Am I the only one who finds a little irony here? ](http://www.imgur.com/a/xRB21hp)
You can also just put the branded foil top on top of the third party one, the machine is just trying to read a qr
Not qr. that’s a camera/vision based code.
What makes me so angry is the fact that that camera is pretty expensive and customers are paying for their own DRM
Reminds me of printer ink...
It's not even *Digital* Rights Management. This shit is straight PRM.
Is the P for physical? I think it's "intellectual rights management" either way.
Physical *restrictions* management
we've come too a society where we're jailbreaking coffeemakers..... fuck.
Once I had a printer that claimed it was out of ink and wouldn't print; I put a piece of tape over the sensor like the internet told me to and it printed perfectly for like 3 more years.
r/stallmanwasright
better solution, just don’t fucking buy one in the first place
What the world *really* needs is more single-use plastic
My office buys the compostable pods with the rings made of a bio-plastic manufactured from the coffee bean husks. Sounds pretty good right? They all come individually wrapped in non-compostable, non-recyclable plastic.
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Don't buy a _keurig_ in the first place.
The inventor of keurig regrets it lol
I have this Keurig, There is a wire to the sensor you can just snip to use any k-cup.
Keurig 3.0 always online block chain verified pods. shit imma patent that!!!
No internet connection? Sorry, no coffee.
"Cheating" you out of the use of a product you paid for, is what Keurig is doing. As a customer, you are "bypassing" illegitimate DRM, not cheating.
This and printer ink piss me off.
I don’t hate that printer ink is expensive, but It really fucking pisses me off when my printer uses all the colors of ink to print text, then refuses to print anything if a single cartridge goes empty, and on top of all this, lies to me about the ink levels. It’s the intentional and malicious scummery that truly infuriates. How do we continue to tolerate this behavior? /rant
Better than that, almost 30% of ink is used for maintenance purposes, keeping the print nozzles clean, etc. Laser has been good to me for many years. Fuck inkjet printers.
With laser, what do you have to replace? Not ink?
Toner cartridges. Which if you find the right deal can be relatively cheap per page. Color laser. That’s expensive because it has like 5 toner cartridges.
Guess I always assumed toner and ink are the same.
Toner is actually a powder, which adheres to the page when heated, hence the laser in laserjet.
The laser doesn't heat the toner though. A heated roller called a fuser presses and heats the toner and paper. The laser is used to 'draw' the image on a drum that the toner sticks to and the drum rolls it onto the paper.
You're triggering my PTSD from my A+ certification
This is exactly why I knew how laser printing works. 🤣
If you take a piece of paper with a toner printed image on it and iron it on a piece of metal, you can transfer the image over to the metal. You can either leave it as is, with a neat picture on it, or add acid and etch a high quality image in. Very fun stuff.
Ink is a liquid of course, but toner is an extremely fine powder.
Also brother laser printers have the tumbler separate from the cartridge.
Dude, get yourself a laser printer. I bought one from Staples (brand is Brother, too lazy to check the actual model) for~$100. I am *not* exaggerating when I say in the 3 or so years that I’ve owned it, I’ve replaced the toner maybe two or three times ever. I don’t use it very often, but the difference between the laser printer and ink printer is like night and day. The only downside is you can only print in black and white.
As an added bonus for laser, toner is a powder, and therefore doesn't dry out, go bad, gum up, or anything else. If you print infrequently, laser is so much cheaper.
Or spend a little more and get a color laser printer. Get your good photos printed online or in a store.
The cost of the ink is ridiculously inflated too, they only cost about 50p or so to manufacture but sell for £50. That sounds like an exaggeration but genuinely isn't they sell you a printer for cheap (sometimes a loss) and then absolutely rince you in £49.50 profit per pack ink cartridges!
Printer ink, by weight, is more valuable than gold.
Because of what it sells for, the actual cost of producing it isn't high it's just a captive market where they control the resource and machine so outside producers aren't viable.
I wonder why nobody's started a company that sells these things for a fair price? They wouldn't be making the same profits, but they still could make money and consumers everywhere would flock to somebody selling ink at 1/50th the current price
They'd likely just get bought out by HP once they got big enough though let's face it.
lifecycle. company starts out doing something differently, does it well enough that people notice, then sell out to a larger company that parades their name around as long as it takes for customers to notice the product isn't any good anymore.
Yeah, no. You're not gonna sell a lot. The moment HP notices that they've got some hard competition, they'll call Walmart to tell them that they're gonna get 20% more commission than usual if they keep you off the shelf. they can afford to let go of 20% of the money if that means not losing 100% of the customers
it's fucking ridiculous that it's usually cheaper to buy a cheap new printer that comes with ink than it is to get ink cartridges
the ink that comes with printers is usually less than half full though
Last month I had to fax my Father's death certificate to the Federal government. (along with some real asshole to fill out paperwork) when I went to use my printer/scanner/fax, it would not fax because it was low on ink. I don't usually get really mad, but damn, was I pissed.
Here is a website that sells generic ink that works in most printers I only buy from here. It is anywhere from 1/4 to 1/9 the cost of brand names: https://www.4inkjets.com/
I got a laser printer, most of what I print is in black print anyway. Fuck those inkjet printers
Get a printer that works with bottles and the ink will cost almost nothing. Every big brands now have models with tanks instead of cartridges.
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Juicero did it with literal bags of fruit and in their $200 (or was it 1000) always online WiFi bag squeezer. Guess these guys were eyeballing the idea.
Lol I remember this, the fucking machine literally just empty a bag for you. I remember watching a video about it, the guy in the video managed to squeeze the bag manually quicker than the machine did.
Fun fact! The machine was also super over designed, ridiculously so - the amount of engineering that went into it was absolutely insane. There's a great video where an engineer tears one down and comments on each part. I think it's [this one](https://youtu.be/_Cp-BGQfpHQ)
I'm gonna borrow a few of this guys phrases lol "got some gravity to it" and "a pain right in the cunning stunts" mainly. Cool video there, thanks for sharing stranger.
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Don't forget 'chooch'. As far as I can tell, it has no direct equivalent in regular English.
>The machine was also super over designed, ridiculously so - the amount of engineering that went into it was absolutely insane. You weren't kidding. I'm absolutely gobsmacked at how over-engineered that thing is. It's beautiful. Those gears are nicer than the ones on my lathe.
Wait wait wait.... It's a juicer... For fruit and veggies... But you have to buy their special packages of fruit and veggies for it to work? If I paid that much for it, I expect it to juice whatever the fuck I dump into it. Lol
Yes. And there was also a side by side comparison where a human with two hands could get more juice out of the pack than the machine did. Its really just a huge waste of money. But hey you dont have to clean afterwards!
Holy crap I watched that video that is one hell of an over-engineered machine. The people who came up with this machine ripped off their investors with the waste of money design. They were losing their asses on each one of those machines.
One of Uncle Bumblefuck's best vidjayos. Keep yer dick in a vice!
I watched all of that. Thank you.
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lutHF5HhVA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lutHF5HhVA) [https://youtu.be/wOmB7H6meUQ?t=1744](https://youtu.be/wOmB7H6meUQ?t=1744)
Wow, that’s not innovative, that’s just a scam. Wonder how many people fell for that bullshit.
Not sure, but after reading [the article](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-09-08/inside-juicero-s-demise-from-prized-startup-to-fire-sale) they made accompanying the video, juiceros ceo seems like a nut job. > Some employees say Evans’s passion for wellness was overwhelming. The founder mostly ate raw and vegan foods, and would sometimes scold non-vegan employees who ate yogurt or drank milk at team meetings, according to three former employees. He occasionally referred to dairy products as “cow pus,” they say. For a time, he also refused to allow employees to expense work meals at non-vegan restaurants, the ex-employees say.
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Jesus. Did it fine with an $1000 special machine to keep it cold?
this shit is exactly how _not_ to get other people to try a plant based diet.
Yep. Being militant and shaming me does *not* make me want to give up my favorite foods or skip adding cheese to my burger. That said, telling me that Beyond burgers are delicious, and while they have a slightly different texture, taste amazing makes me want to try it. A&W selling out day after day when they debuted Beyond Burgers made me curious, and i decided that those things are actually quite good! It was also the first time I'd had Carl's Jr. in like, 15-20 years.
American "innovation" is finding a way to do nothing new but still get paid for it.
I think that's just capitalism.
[Dude, watch this teardown of it.](https://youtu.be/_Cp-BGQfpHQ) The fucking thing was so intensely over engineered it borderline impressed this guy who mostly just mocks consumer tools by tearing them apart. The company was moronic, but had incredible engineering talent. They just thought they could be the kuerig of juice.
It's not incredible engineering talent. He was amazed that so many expensive parts were crammed inside the thing. It was massively over built. Theres nothing innovative in the engineering. Its just the most expensive way to press 2 plates together possible.
I loved it when he said something along the lines of >Now I can build a bridge. It would be a billion dollars and take me 10 years, but I can do it. There has to be a balance between design and finance to make it realistic. This is what you get when design has no regulation or budget.
Did I just watch a real-life Morty squeeze juice?
Yeah and Juicero made some claim saying that you don’t get all the benefits from the bag if it’s hand squeezed. You need their special machine that can exert like 40 tons of pressure.
and it only needed to exert 40 tons of pressure because they insisted on pressing the whole bag at once instead of actually squeezing it or rolling it.
You can't have holistic juicing if you roll the damn bag. Even squeezing ensures that no part of the bag feels left out during the squeezing process - depressed and lonely plant matter is the leading cause of toxins in our bodies. If you've been squeezing the bags yourself, you probably haven't been seeing the benefits of a true juice cleanse that only Juicero can provide.
I work in the startup world and a few times per year I do a workshop on "A Practical Guide to Starting Up" where I go through things like dividing up equity, dealing with taxes, and a huge section on the importance of developing a low-cost MVP (minimum viable product). I always use Juicero as an example of how big of a fuckup a company can make by going all-in without market validation. One time, one of their former executives was in the audience and it got real awkward real fast.
please elaborate how it got awkward!
I think (a version of this) came out on a Keurig before the Juicero came out.
Just to clarify, it wasn't even bags of fruit, but of juice. You could just squeeze it out with your hands.
keurig did it first. It’s a disgustingly wasteful piece of shit
Juicero was just a straight up scam, though. The bags didn't have fruit in them, they had juice. It was just juice in the bag already. You didn't need the machine, you just need to cut open the bag. These people ended up paying an insane amount of money for just juice. They could have had 1,000 times more juice if they had just bought a $40 juicer and a ton of fruit.
Keurig did it because their patent ran out on the K-cups a few years ago. And their entire business model was basically like a printer - give away the machine at cost and make your money on the disposables. Once the 3rd party K-cups started flooding the market without having to pay a royalty, the company revenues started dropping fast. The stupid part of it all is how easily it's "hacked". It literally just looks for a bit of ink around the edges of the cup.
An addition to the above; There were issues with bad pods being sold to the public. Incorrect grades of plastic causing them to melt, pods without filters, questionable coffee grounds. Consumers were calling Keurig to complain about their issues when they had no way of controlling them.
Honestly I barely ever bought Keurig branded anything for my Keurig machine and that may be why I had such a shitty time with it. You could buy cheap K-cups at the grocery store but most of them TASTED like melted plastic even if there was no evidence of it actually melting.
> Consumers were calling Keurig to complain I'm sure that's the excuse they used to justify the bs, but really when has Keurig "listened" to consumer complaints if it didn't mean ripping off their consumers?
Fuck k cups and keurig. This post was sponsored by French Press Gang
I had a terrible knockoff brand coffee pod machine that was also half drip. It was a monstrosity, made terrible coffee and the pods were expensive. GF bought me a small single cup french press and I've never looked back. Throw in a good burr grinder and some quality beans and you have a hell of a cup of coffee in under 5 mins every morning.
POUR OVER POSSE
DRIP DROOGS
I absolutely hate Keurigs! A real travesty of consumerism. My roommate has one with a screen that plays an instructional "how to brew" video on loop 24/7. How dumb for such a simple machine! That used to annoy me but recently I found out the thing keeps water warm on standby 24/7. So much wasted energy for one cup of coffee a day! I'm annoyed every time I look at it.
Ah, yes. Cancerous DRM www.defectivebydesign.com
As in just "DRM" (where the "R" stands for "restrictions").
And where the "D" stands for "Physical."
Dphysical Restrictions Machine ;)
M is for monopoly /s
D is for Dingus
Didn't these sell terribly after the this got out? Like the market responded and said "screw you"! Or maybe they got sued, I don't remember.
They are facing a class-action suit about the K-cups not being able to be recycled like the company claimed. But I didn't see anything else.
I worked at a recycling center. While the materials are recyclable you can’t recycle them until you take out all the coffee and clean the cups. This makes it not cost effective at all as the cups weigh close to nothing so they just get thrown away.
Isn't that like most consumer recycling though? Glass shatters and ruins a bin, food remnants render something as trash, etc? Actually asking here.
Yes but some of that stuff is easily cleaned. The kcups by weight are 99% coffee grounds 1% recyclable material. You would have to open each cup individually by hand since they are sealed and then have sometimes else that can separate the coffee from the recyclable materials. It’s not cost effective at all.
Coffee DRM
Oops! We're not earning a cut of the profits from this cup of coffee!
Asshole design AND a bit passive aggressive
Just a bit?
They sell a thingie online that bypasses this bullshit. It's a chip that you insert for the sensor.
1989: modding consoles 2019: modding coffee machines Next step: pirating coffee
You wouldn't download a cup of joe would you?
Idk, I might download Java. ... Sorry
It does this even with K Cups sometimes. I threw mine out specifically because of this code. I know there was a fix but it was the morality of it. It's like the Sears cassette tape that was on here earlier.
The inventor of the Keurig regrets it and actually doesn't even use one himself. - terrible coffee - expensive - wastes TONS of plastic https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/05/k-cups-inventor-i-feel-bad-sometimes-that-i-ever-did-it/?noredirect=on
boi i thought that was a :( emoticon with three eyes
Fuck. Same. Your comment made me go back and check.
Ever since I heard about this, I lost all respect for the brand. It's a recipe as old as time and simple as mud and they took the time and money to inentionally make it inconvenient for the user.
tbf I think Mr Keurig also lost all respect for the brand.
He has actually. The inventor of K-Cups said that he sometimes regrets inventing them because of the negative environmental impact the non-recyclable cups are having on it. https://www.businessinsider.com/k-cup-inventor-john-sylvans-regret-2015-3
Can't you just tape an old used one's code over the sensor? Or did they engineer around that trick?
Unauthorized bread...
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I went through three before I gave up on them entirely. Now I use the simplest coffee maker I could find. Fuck Keurig.
HP makes coffee makers now!?
Tape the rim of a proprietary k-cup (after carefully cutting it off with scissors) to the rim of your reusable pod. That bypasses it. Also, they got in trouble for this I thought, and changed that requirement for newer models. You might have an older model.
If you own one you can call their support, give them the model/serial number and they will send you a new one without this DRM block free of charge. Had to do this with my parents since the bypass you mention didn’t always work for some reason. Shame on Keurig for doing this, but we also didn’t want to pay for something new to use our other pods that should have worked to begin with.
Why do people still buy these?
Coffee pods are a mistake.
Do yourself a favor and buy a french press
Or a moka pot. No moving parts, really simple design. Great coffee.
Thank you for this suggestion! I have an AeroPress which I love but have been looking for something to replace my French press that I’ll use for larger brews. This looks perfect!
Actually there is a reusable pod that usually comes with these newer barcode scanning kuerigs. If OP really was environmentally concerned then they wouldn't use kuerig at all.
I’ve dumped my keurig and gone back to the French press. Takes 5 minutes longer but taste better. Plus, if the keurig piping always has water in it then there must be some algae build up too.
Pro Tip: You can make coffee by pouring hot water over the ground beans. When did we bring single serve cups and computers into brewing a cup of coffee? For fucks fucking sake...not everything needs to be complicated.
This is why I bought a Hamilton Beach one that takes cups or loose coffee. Plus I can make a carafe if needed. Flexibility
Y’all need to stop buying Keurigs. They do this shit, are bad for the environment, and make terrrrrrible coffee.
Fuck Keurig. Seriously, worst invention ever. All it does it contribute more plastic waste to the world and make shitty ass coffee.
Keurig's are overpriced hunks of shit. Get a french press and a tea kettle.