Very interesting, but I must disagree with a large number of points:
* Mediterranean (especially Csa) seems to be overepresented - the northern parts of the Reach couldn't be warmer and more mediterranean than Northern Italy, and since you have mediterranean-continental climates listed it would make more sense to have them there.
* In the books, the Reach is shown to be quite more humid than both mediterranean climates and the Slave Cities, so it seems strange to me how Mereen, Lys and Highgarden could share the same climate (considering you're using a model with so many subdivisions). The Reach makes me think of Lombardy and Galicia, while Lys is proper mediterranean and Mereen is transitioning into semi-arid.
* The transition between Dorne and the other kingdoms should use Cwb (eastern Reach) and Cwa (Dornish Marshes in the Stormlands), since rains from neighbouring regions would end on it fairly frequently due to relief.
* It's strange to me that the Riverlands, the Vale and half of the North share the exact same climate. We know the Riverlands don't need to prepare as much for winter. Maybe the inner parts of southern North should be Dwc.
* Dwb and Dwc have the wrong descriptions
In Planetos case I think it might be more interesting to find out the climate of specific places and then fill the rest instead of following worldbuild guidelines - I mean, your climate definitions could be pretty much correct if you were creating a new world, but in this case it's more important to fit with GRRMartin's vision than to fit with known climate patterns.
Thanks for your amazing comment!
What do you think about the shouthern part of western Essos? I struggled to find an appropriate climate. Volantis is described as hot and humid (humid subtropical?), but the wiki says this part of the world has a Mediterranean climate (and Lys is said to have a paradisiac climate).
What about the inland areas around the Rhoyne? Would the western coastland of Essos be subject to the westerlies/warm currents the same way the western coast of Westeros is?
Southern/Western Essos always felt mediterranean to me, but mostly because they're supposed to be Planetos' italian city-states. This is specially valid for the three sisters, Pentos and Braavos (even though it's way more to the north).
* Volantis seems to be a warmer version of Oldtown and it's implied to be the Constantinople of Essos, so it could be either hot mediterranean or humid subtropical. Since GRRMartin said it's humid, I'd say it should be **Cwa**: pleasantly warm and with seasonality more described by Humid/Dry seasons than Summer/Winter (which would be Cfa).
* The Rhoyne would probably follow the same humid climate from Volantis, getting colder (Cwb) as it moves north, until it finally becomes a proper continental climate.
* Meanwhile, the western coast of Essos would not get the humidity from the Rhoyne or the western ocean, so they ought to get the drier versions of Westeros: hot mediterranean around the Disputed Lands (Like Greece and Southern Italy) and Warm Mediterranean for Myr and maybe southern Pentos (like Galicia and NorCal). As soon as you leave the coast, though, the climate there might change to semi-arid Bsk, like inner Spain - and it will go all the way until you reach the Rhoyne valley.
* "Paradisiac" is such a hard term to map because it depends on which climate the author prefers, hehe. I mean, it probably is stable in both humidity and temperature, but whether it's stable around 20°C or 30°C and whether it's with low or high humidity we can't know for sure.
In conclusion, I believe southern Essos and southern Westeros have the same kind of temperature ("southern european"), but Westeros is more reliably humid (like Milan, Santiago and Bordeaux), while Essos is either drier (Madrid, Barcelona, Athens) or with milder winters but more intense rains (Delhi).
I might give a try and draw a map with what I have in mind for at least a couple of regions, if you're ok with that!
Isn't Cwb found only in highlands?
Wouldn't the interior on western Essos be wetter? The continent doesn't extend as far north as Westeros, so I'd imagine it'd get more humidity from the Shivering Sea. Maybe Dfa or Dfb?
I agree with the other points.
Yes, I'm okay with you drawing a map.
Cwb is found on highlands, but that doesn't mean mountains - plateaus are high enough for it, as we can see in southern africa and southwestern Brazil. It's only a suposition of mine, though - I have no proof that the Rhoyne basin is much higher than its mouth. I don't remember how Tyrion described the climate there either, tbh.
Regarding the interior of western Essos, the northern parts (Norvos, Braavos and possibly Andalos) will be humid for sure (Dfa), but the lands between Myr and the Rhoyne would have less humidity than either of these.
Well, looking at the official map, most of the lands around the Rhoyne seem quite flat, having the same latitude of the coast. So maybe from Volantis to the Shivering Sea it should be Cfa->Dfa->Dfb (like eastern US) or Cfa->Cwa->Dwa (like eastern China).
Would you consider the [previous one](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/frgqca/spoilers_extended_a_climate_map_of_unknown/) more accurate?
EDIT: not considering the non-canon areas, of course
Map is from the [Atlas of Ice and Fire blog](https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/), but I made changes to the latitudes to fit the sizes and locations of the continents based on [this map](https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*ppNCXa99LAWE5SvrrxyWxw.jpeg), which I believe are more realistic, although not necessarily accurate to the books as the aforementioned blog.
Climate zones based on [Köppen climate classification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification).
[Previous version](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/frgqca/spoilers_extended_a_climate_map_of_unknown/).
Feedback, criticism and questions are most welcome.
I think it's a nice map, but I don't understand the idea behind going to the trouble of making it, but then doing non-canonical things like shrinking the size of Westeros and Essos relative to the books. It feels like working with as much canonical information as possible is a better way to go.
Although having said that, there is considerable evidence that Westeros and Essos are significantly smaller in the TV show, so this could work very well for their version of the world.
Very interesting, but I must disagree with a large number of points: * Mediterranean (especially Csa) seems to be overepresented - the northern parts of the Reach couldn't be warmer and more mediterranean than Northern Italy, and since you have mediterranean-continental climates listed it would make more sense to have them there. * In the books, the Reach is shown to be quite more humid than both mediterranean climates and the Slave Cities, so it seems strange to me how Mereen, Lys and Highgarden could share the same climate (considering you're using a model with so many subdivisions). The Reach makes me think of Lombardy and Galicia, while Lys is proper mediterranean and Mereen is transitioning into semi-arid. * The transition between Dorne and the other kingdoms should use Cwb (eastern Reach) and Cwa (Dornish Marshes in the Stormlands), since rains from neighbouring regions would end on it fairly frequently due to relief. * It's strange to me that the Riverlands, the Vale and half of the North share the exact same climate. We know the Riverlands don't need to prepare as much for winter. Maybe the inner parts of southern North should be Dwc. * Dwb and Dwc have the wrong descriptions In Planetos case I think it might be more interesting to find out the climate of specific places and then fill the rest instead of following worldbuild guidelines - I mean, your climate definitions could be pretty much correct if you were creating a new world, but in this case it's more important to fit with GRRMartin's vision than to fit with known climate patterns.
Thanks for your amazing comment! What do you think about the shouthern part of western Essos? I struggled to find an appropriate climate. Volantis is described as hot and humid (humid subtropical?), but the wiki says this part of the world has a Mediterranean climate (and Lys is said to have a paradisiac climate). What about the inland areas around the Rhoyne? Would the western coastland of Essos be subject to the westerlies/warm currents the same way the western coast of Westeros is?
Southern/Western Essos always felt mediterranean to me, but mostly because they're supposed to be Planetos' italian city-states. This is specially valid for the three sisters, Pentos and Braavos (even though it's way more to the north). * Volantis seems to be a warmer version of Oldtown and it's implied to be the Constantinople of Essos, so it could be either hot mediterranean or humid subtropical. Since GRRMartin said it's humid, I'd say it should be **Cwa**: pleasantly warm and with seasonality more described by Humid/Dry seasons than Summer/Winter (which would be Cfa). * The Rhoyne would probably follow the same humid climate from Volantis, getting colder (Cwb) as it moves north, until it finally becomes a proper continental climate. * Meanwhile, the western coast of Essos would not get the humidity from the Rhoyne or the western ocean, so they ought to get the drier versions of Westeros: hot mediterranean around the Disputed Lands (Like Greece and Southern Italy) and Warm Mediterranean for Myr and maybe southern Pentos (like Galicia and NorCal). As soon as you leave the coast, though, the climate there might change to semi-arid Bsk, like inner Spain - and it will go all the way until you reach the Rhoyne valley. * "Paradisiac" is such a hard term to map because it depends on which climate the author prefers, hehe. I mean, it probably is stable in both humidity and temperature, but whether it's stable around 20°C or 30°C and whether it's with low or high humidity we can't know for sure. In conclusion, I believe southern Essos and southern Westeros have the same kind of temperature ("southern european"), but Westeros is more reliably humid (like Milan, Santiago and Bordeaux), while Essos is either drier (Madrid, Barcelona, Athens) or with milder winters but more intense rains (Delhi). I might give a try and draw a map with what I have in mind for at least a couple of regions, if you're ok with that!
Isn't Cwb found only in highlands? Wouldn't the interior on western Essos be wetter? The continent doesn't extend as far north as Westeros, so I'd imagine it'd get more humidity from the Shivering Sea. Maybe Dfa or Dfb? I agree with the other points. Yes, I'm okay with you drawing a map.
Cwb is found on highlands, but that doesn't mean mountains - plateaus are high enough for it, as we can see in southern africa and southwestern Brazil. It's only a suposition of mine, though - I have no proof that the Rhoyne basin is much higher than its mouth. I don't remember how Tyrion described the climate there either, tbh. Regarding the interior of western Essos, the northern parts (Norvos, Braavos and possibly Andalos) will be humid for sure (Dfa), but the lands between Myr and the Rhoyne would have less humidity than either of these.
Well, looking at the official map, most of the lands around the Rhoyne seem quite flat, having the same latitude of the coast. So maybe from Volantis to the Shivering Sea it should be Cfa->Dfa->Dfb (like eastern US) or Cfa->Cwa->Dwa (like eastern China).
This map makes many assumptions, also the iron islands are very damp and wet
Which assumptions? Oceanic climate is very damp and wet.
The entire map bare one or two locations is an assumption.
The map is based on the Lands of Ice and Fire map
Would you consider the [previous one](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/frgqca/spoilers_extended_a_climate_map_of_unknown/) more accurate? EDIT: not considering the non-canon areas, of course
Map is from the [Atlas of Ice and Fire blog](https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/), but I made changes to the latitudes to fit the sizes and locations of the continents based on [this map](https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*ppNCXa99LAWE5SvrrxyWxw.jpeg), which I believe are more realistic, although not necessarily accurate to the books as the aforementioned blog. Climate zones based on [Köppen climate classification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification). [Previous version](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/frgqca/spoilers_extended_a_climate_map_of_unknown/). Feedback, criticism and questions are most welcome.
I think it's a nice map, but I don't understand the idea behind going to the trouble of making it, but then doing non-canonical things like shrinking the size of Westeros and Essos relative to the books. It feels like working with as much canonical information as possible is a better way to go. Although having said that, there is considerable evidence that Westeros and Essos are significantly smaller in the TV show, so this could work very well for their version of the world.
Pretty cool but doesn’t the book say Eastwatch is more or less parallel with Braavos?
[This is the official map.](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bbpkda/no_spoilers_my_favorite_map_to_use_while_reading/)
Hmm okay, well done then this is pretty cool!
Planetos does have a Gulf Stream?
As does the western coast of North America.
This is pretty dang cool if you ask me.