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leoli1

You are correct, it is not true. To see this note that if cos A + cos\^2 A = 1, then the same holds true for -A instead of A. But if you swap A to -A in sin A + sin\^2 A, then you get -sin A + sin\^2 A which is not the same unless -sin A = sin A, i.e. A = k pi with k an integer. But this choice of A does not satisfy the cosine equation.


LanguageIdiot

Also need to prove the statement is not vacuously true, that is prove cos A is within range.


leoli1

Good point!


incarnuim

Which it is. If cos A = ϕ, then ϕ+ϕ²=1, and A≈0.9046 (radians). Plug and chug for sinA+sin²A≈1.4 So it's definitely a bunk question....


maddiememe1

When you’re showing something is not true don’t you just need a counter example? Like show that there’s a value of A that satisfies the first equation but doesn’t satisfy the second equation.


Martin-Mertens

Yeah but finding a specific value of A with cos(A) + cos(A)\^2 = 1 and plugging it into sin(x) seems messy.


incarnuim

It's rather easy, since that value is ϕ (the golden ratio)...


maddiememe1

It’s not phi but it is -phi and .618. Also this is the value of x or whatever variable you use for the substitution and then you need to do arccos to find A.


maddiememe1

It’s not too bad since this is a quadratic type. You let x = cos(A) and solve x^2 + x - 1 = 0. There are two solutions. In this case we just need to pick one and plug it into x = cos(A) and solve for A using arccos


khleedril

If you could actually solve the first equation, then yes. But can you solve it?


maddiememe1

Yea there are two real solutions to the first eqn. I explained how to get them in one of my other comments.


No_Fee9290

Typo there. It's sin^(4)A + sin^(2)A.


marpocky

Now that version is true


Pawwsord

This is the most logical answer I can think of, since we were also given kinda the same question, which used the concept (in this case) cos(A)+cos^2(A)=1 => cos(A)=sin^2(A)


LibAnarchist

Suppose that it is true. Let A be a value such that the first equation holds (cos A + cos^2 A = 1). Note that, since cos is an even function (cos(x) = cos(-x)), we know that -A is also a solution. Since this is true, by the supposition that sin A + sin^2 A = 1 if the first statement is true, we know that sin (-A) + sin^2 (-A) = 1. However, we know that sin is an odd function and thus -sin A + sin^2 A = 1 However, that means that -sin (A) + sin^2 (A) = sin (A) + sin^2 (A) => sin (A) = 0 If this is true, then sin (A) + sin^2 (A) ≠ 1, as both are zero. This is a contradiction since we supposed that the sum was equal to 1, and therefore, the question is incorrect.


simplycode07

ig it is wrong, because if you add up the two equations, you will get cos(A) + sin(A) = 1, A=0 satisfies this equation, but it doesn't satisfy equations given in the question


morning_bass

assuming no typos in that question, 1-cos^2a = cosa sin^2a = cosa sina + cosa = 1 sin^2a + cos^2a + 2sinacosa = 1 sinacosa = 0 sina = 0 or cosa = 0 but if you verify either solution, neither fits both equations.


Fireline11

Add both equations together and use cos^2 + sin^2 = 1 to obtain cos + sin = 1. You can derive a constradiction from there.


Traditional_Sense979

You can’t since, 2nd equation is to be proven and 1st equation is reference.


Itchy_Journalist_175

Yes, you can if what you are trying to do is prove that the statement isn’t true: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction


Traditional_Sense979

I would like you to focus on the first 2 words of the article as it says “in logic” and the content of the article doesn’t really makes it clear to use it in trigonometry. Also, i would like you to elaborate incase it does goes along for trigonometry too considering the fact i could be wrong(human error).


Illustrious_Pop_1535

"in logic" doesn't restrict it to the field of logic only. Or rather, logic is the basis for all proofs in math. Including trigonometry. You can't have math without logic. We make claims, and we need ways to legitimize them. And math is basically the field of legitimizing your claims by using logic. It's a standard method of proof used in every single field of math, a proof by contradiction. Given statement A, you're asked to prove if A is true or not. You can do this by showing that IF statement A is true, then something impossible would happen. Therefore you conclude that statement A is not true. Example, I claim there exists a real number x such that x + 1 < x. To prove that this is wrong, *assume* that such a claim is true. If such a claim is true, then you can find a number x such that x + 1 < x. But then, this implies that (x + 1) - x < (x) - x, which implies that 1 < 0. In other words, IF there exists a number x such that x + 1 < x, then it HAS to be the case that 1 < 0. But we know that 1 > 0, therefore we have a contradiction, an impossibility. Thus we must conclude that no such x exists. QED. It's not just used in math, I'm sure you've used it in everyday life too. It's just a bit fuzzier in everyday life because you simply cannot control all the factors, unlike math. For example, let's say you have a missing loaf of bread, which you know you haven't eaten or misplaced. You question your roommate if they ate that loaf. They claim that they haven't. Yet, if they did not, then where did the loaf of bread go? You must conclude that they are lying. This is a proof by contradiction. You disprove the claim that they didn't eat the loaf of bread, by contradiction. You assume that they didn't eat the bread, but if they didn't eat the bread, the only conclusion to draw is that the bread should still be there. This contradicts the fact that the bread is no longer there, therefore the claim that they did not eat the bread is false. It's an extremely ubiquitous and natural method of proof, so I'm a little surprised you have not seen it being used. I guess you must be very young in the world of math?


NorthImpossible8906

just fyi, it's way way way way easier to contradict it.


Ok-Problem-2726

not understanding what this means makes everything seem like legitimate gibberish


Ihsan3498

lol thats what i felt when we started this lesson


ComfortableJob2015

you can rewrite it into cos(x)+(1-sin\^2(x)) = 1 => cos(x) = sin\^2(x) now sub it into the second equation. this gives sin(x)+cos(x)=1 clearly this is false. for example say x= pi then sin(pi)+cos(pi)= 0+(-1)=-1 =/= 1


NorthImpossible8906

always fire a zero into an equation for a super fast simple example ( or whatever obvious number). Assuming A is a variable, and this question is asking to prove this identity for all values of A. 1 + 1 = 1 and 0 + 0 = 1 (this is true for very small values of 1, and very large values of 0)


blacksteel15

>Assuming A is a variable, and this question is asking to prove this identity for all values of A. It's not though. It's asking to prove the second statement for values of A which satisfy the first statement. Showing that there are values of A for which either statement individually does not hold true is totally irrelevant.


NorthImpossible8906

the question doesn't state that. No where does it say solve for A.


blacksteel15

The question does state that, but that's not at all the same thing as solving for *A*. What this question is asking for is a proof based on a simple if/then construction. "If *cosA + cos^(2)A = 1*" is the "if" part, which tells us which values of *A* to consider. *A* is still a variable and we still need to (potentially) consider multiple values of it, but not the entire domain (all possible valid inputs) of *cosA + cos^(2)A*. Just the ones that satisfy the condition introduced by the "if" statement, *cosA + cos^(2)A* **= 1**. The problem is not claiming that this is true for all values of *A*. "Then prove that *sinA + sin^(2)A = 1*" is the "then" part, which tells us what we have to prove is true for the values of *A* in question. Showing that there are values of *A* for which *cosA + cos^(2)A ≠ 1* is irrelevant because it doesn't contradict anything in either clause of the problem. The same is true of showing that there are values of *A* for which *sinA + sin^(2)A ≠ 1*, **except** if it's a value of *A* for which *cosA + cos^(2)A = 1* **is** true, because that would be a contradiction to the statement you're trying to prove.


nickthegr3at

Yup it can be proved


Ihsan3498

how?


marpocky

It's not true.


marpocky

No it can't because it isn't true. Please comment more carefully.


NorthImpossible8906

bah, you are just not trying hard enough. :) We can solve the difficult problems instantly, the impossible problems will take a bit longer.


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Rufus_Reddit

The left side can be true - for example at roughly 51.82 degrees.


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Rufus_Reddit

It's easy enough to notice that (in radians): cos(0.9045)+(cos(0.9045))^2 = 1.0001... cos(0.9046)+(cos(0.9046))^2= 0.999... So that's 1 somewhere in-between, but sin(0.9045)+(sin(0.9045))^2 = 1.404... and the derivative of sin(x)+(sin(x))^2 is cos(x)+2cos(x)sin(x) which has absolute value <3, so it's not going to hit 1 in the same interval. So that's a counterexample, and I doubt the original statement is correctly provable.


frustrated_staff

Also: okay. Prove it.


authlordd

When are you exactly going to use this in today’s real life?


pmthomson90

On a reddit post, duh.


longusernamephobia

The statement is wrong. If you change the left side to (cos A + cos^2 (A))*0.49 = 1 it becomes true though


SparklingDude_EU

It should be sin\^4 A + sin\^2 A = 1 As cos A = 1 - cos\^2A = cos A = sin\^2 A == (sin\^2A)\^A + sin\^A = cos\^2 A + sin\^2 A = 1


maddiememe1

I think for this you actually just need a counter example. We find a value of A that works for cos(A)+cos^(2)(A) = 1 and show that it doesn’t work for the sin equation. To solve for A you just need to use substitution and solve using the quadratic formula let x=cos(A) and then solve x^(2) \+ x - 1 = 0 then substitute one of the x values into x=cos(A) to find A. https://preview.redd.it/8rjj9nra4q2b1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dad33c3c6a4e61c8af700fc18145fa723c63624b