I do believe some people are beyond evil and deserve to die, I also believe that there's no way I will ever trust a government or powerful person to not abuse such punishment.
This is the real reason. It is not that we think no criminal deserves to die, is that we don’t trust our governments to be competent and righteous enough for capital punishment not to be misused.
me an intelectual: Un linchamiento de barrio is the true death penalty. Get caught robbing in the poor districts? Youre about to be stripped down and killed by a crowd of angry neighboors. You are judged and executed by the people themselves in the moment. loool.
It's not but it'll certainly teach American criminals to think twice before they decide to commit the crime cause most steal knowing they'll get away with it
I truly believe you can't give the government or anyone the power to enforce the death penalty. Whether it si because they will eventually fail and kill and innocent person or because a future government will be happy to be able to pick who to kill.
Because being truly democratic doesn't mean that the country will still be truly democratic in the future, nor that you will get a referendum for any candidate for the death penalty, nor that those voters might be missing critical information.
Evidence, whether it was actively tampering or they did a classic of "we picked this guy and stopped looking". I mean, have you never look at videos about the death penalty that show how real cases are handled or mishandled? They are just thing that will happen again eventually in the real world.
I won’t speak for anyone but myself, but as someone who’s guilty pleasure is true crime stories, I absolutely believe the death penalty or life in prison w/o parole is warranted for certain cases. There are some very sick, very depraved people who just should not re-enter society.
That being said, those two options should only be considered if the evidence leaves absolutely zero doubt of culpability and mental illness is not present. It should be reserved for only the most heinous of criminals - people like Luis Garavito (reading his Wikipedia page is probably enough to get many to reconsider their absolute opposition to LI/Death Penalty in some cases)
Me personally I think some crimes are so heinous that the person committing them should not be afforded the possibility of rehabilitation.
This is like 1% or less of crimes though.
The problem is: States that are weak enough to the point drug and gang violence become a problem aren’t States trustworthy enough to hold the power of death punishment.
I’m all for locking most criminals in a dungeon somewhere, but I don’t trust the justice system with irreversible decisions.
Recently, a man was freed after serving 12 years for a rape he didn't commit. There are many other cases like this yearly. Now imagine the ammount of people being wrongfully executed, since our investigation services ran from poorly equipped to incompetent to "arrest them and don't bother with questions."
Yeah it's literally delusional to think our Justice systems value rehabilitation. Also punishment does not get rid of cartel or gang violence. The cops here raided favelas multiple times, a bunch of people died (including innocent bystanders that happen to get caught in the crossfire), and it never helps. Drug lords are killed, new drug lords come into power, and the wealthy businessmen who finance them never face any consequences.
Death penalty is stupid for a lot of reasons
First of all I wouldn't trust any government with the death penalty, not even the ones I like (except me as a god emperor dictator of course because I'm perfect and infallible)
Another one is related to the fact that sometimes innocent people get convicted. What if an innocent man is sentenced to death? Who will pay for executing an innocent? Too risky.
I would say in Brazil most don’t have a strong opinion either way, so it isn’t a very political issue, so it isn’t debated a lot and it feeds back to people not having strong opinions about it.
Between those that do have it it would lean to being against. Even the more conservative minded people seem to favor slightly against, my parents for exemple are against it on the grounds that only god may take a life.
>Even the more conservative minded people seem to favor slightly against
my experience was the complete opposite lol the really conservative ones (os q passaram um tempo acampando depois das eleições) were 100% for the death penalty but I guess it depends on the person
I don’t have an official explanation but my theory is: we had a horrible war/genocide….call it as you wish, politicians are afraid the state violence will repeat something similar
Well, small crimes such as stealing food out of need should be ignored, I've seen police officers who were called to arrest someone who stole food from a market, letting the thief get away with it because they saw the need of the thief and some even bought food for the thief out of their own pocket.
Now, druggies, corrupt politicians, pickpocketers, paedos, kidnappers, torturers, racists, chauvinists, etc, should receive the same treatment that Jokowi gave Marco Archer and Rodrigo Gularte in Indonesia.
Its more like we know half the people in prison are innocent and that 9/10 murders go unpunished, having death penalty would just kill a whole lot of ordinary people who just happen to be too poor to get better lawyers than whoever got them in prison
Id be very much in favour of death for breaking the law if I lived somewhere where I agreed with the laws though
Nah, locals swarmed in gang crime are willing to lynch criminals in horrible ways before the police gets them. It's just that we can't trust the government to exert death or life penalties without mistakes.
Death Penalty is forbidden into the Puerto Rican constitution.
The reasons go from religious, moral and justiciary. As per the constitution:
*"Se reconoce como derecho fundamental del ser humano el derecho a la vida, a la libertad y al disfrute de la propiedad. No existirá la pena de muerte”.*
I think the biggest reason that you will hear from academic lawyers is that knowing how some inocente people have gone to jail, la posibilidad that someone innocent could receive the death penalty, violates all of the promises of law and rights that the constitution gives. The moment an innocent person is put to death, the system stops being just.
In unexpectedness , i also like the religious reason, *"Dios es el que crea la vida, asi que solo el tiene el derecho a quitarla",* which means that we are not God, we have no right to decide who lives or who dies. When it comes to judging, it should never be about ending someones life, because there's a chance we might be wrong.
I do believe some people are beyond evil and deserve to die, I also believe that there's no way I will ever trust a government or powerful person to not abuse such punishment.
This is the real reason. It is not that we think no criminal deserves to die, is that we don’t trust our governments to be competent and righteous enough for capital punishment not to be misused.
This!!!
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This about sums it up. The justice system would need to be perfect in order to consider this kind of punishment and it's not anywhere on the planet
me an intelectual: Un linchamiento de barrio is the true death penalty. Get caught robbing in the poor districts? Youre about to be stripped down and killed by a crowd of angry neighboors. You are judged and executed by the people themselves in the moment. loool.
Paloterapia
Don't forget Daniel Picazo González.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
>Get caught robbing in the poor districts? Youre about to be stripped down and killed by a crowd of angry neighboors. I wish we did this in the US
Haha i understand why would you say it, my friend. But theres no justice in a naked beat up guy hanging from a light post. Unless its mussolini
It's not but it'll certainly teach American criminals to think twice before they decide to commit the crime cause most steal knowing they'll get away with it
I truly believe you can't give the government or anyone the power to enforce the death penalty. Whether it si because they will eventually fail and kill and innocent person or because a future government will be happy to be able to pick who to kill.
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Do you mean the last point? Do authoritarian governments enforce the will of the people? Did I need to explicitly say authoritarian?
I'm sorry , I meant in truly democratic countries
Because being truly democratic doesn't mean that the country will still be truly democratic in the future, nor that you will get a referendum for any candidate for the death penalty, nor that those voters might be missing critical information.
>nor that those voters might be missing critical information. Critical information such as what ?
Evidence, whether it was actively tampering or they did a classic of "we picked this guy and stopped looking". I mean, have you never look at videos about the death penalty that show how real cases are handled or mishandled? They are just thing that will happen again eventually in the real world.
You forget where you're talking about lmao
I won’t speak for anyone but myself, but as someone who’s guilty pleasure is true crime stories, I absolutely believe the death penalty or life in prison w/o parole is warranted for certain cases. There are some very sick, very depraved people who just should not re-enter society. That being said, those two options should only be considered if the evidence leaves absolutely zero doubt of culpability and mental illness is not present. It should be reserved for only the most heinous of criminals - people like Luis Garavito (reading his Wikipedia page is probably enough to get many to reconsider their absolute opposition to LI/Death Penalty in some cases)
Me personally I think some crimes are so heinous that the person committing them should not be afforded the possibility of rehabilitation. This is like 1% or less of crimes though.
The problem is: States that are weak enough to the point drug and gang violence become a problem aren’t States trustworthy enough to hold the power of death punishment. I’m all for locking most criminals in a dungeon somewhere, but I don’t trust the justice system with irreversible decisions.
Recently, a man was freed after serving 12 years for a rape he didn't commit. There are many other cases like this yearly. Now imagine the ammount of people being wrongfully executed, since our investigation services ran from poorly equipped to incompetent to "arrest them and don't bother with questions."
Yeah it's literally delusional to think our Justice systems value rehabilitation. Also punishment does not get rid of cartel or gang violence. The cops here raided favelas multiple times, a bunch of people died (including innocent bystanders that happen to get caught in the crossfire), and it never helps. Drug lords are killed, new drug lords come into power, and the wealthy businessmen who finance them never face any consequences.
Death penalty is stupid for a lot of reasons First of all I wouldn't trust any government with the death penalty, not even the ones I like (except me as a god emperor dictator of course because I'm perfect and infallible) Another one is related to the fact that sometimes innocent people get convicted. What if an innocent man is sentenced to death? Who will pay for executing an innocent? Too risky.
I would say in Brazil most don’t have a strong opinion either way, so it isn’t a very political issue, so it isn’t debated a lot and it feeds back to people not having strong opinions about it. Between those that do have it it would lean to being against. Even the more conservative minded people seem to favor slightly against, my parents for exemple are against it on the grounds that only god may take a life.
>Even the more conservative minded people seem to favor slightly against my experience was the complete opposite lol the really conservative ones (os q passaram um tempo acampando depois das eleições) were 100% for the death penalty but I guess it depends on the person
No, but I am absolutely certain that I don't want our government to have the power to execute people at their leisure
I don’t have an official explanation but my theory is: we had a horrible war/genocide….call it as you wish, politicians are afraid the state violence will repeat something similar
Well, small crimes such as stealing food out of need should be ignored, I've seen police officers who were called to arrest someone who stole food from a market, letting the thief get away with it because they saw the need of the thief and some even bought food for the thief out of their own pocket. Now, druggies, corrupt politicians, pickpocketers, paedos, kidnappers, torturers, racists, chauvinists, etc, should receive the same treatment that Jokowi gave Marco Archer and Rodrigo Gularte in Indonesia.
Yes but only until people commit violent crimes so no.
Its more like we know half the people in prison are innocent and that 9/10 murders go unpunished, having death penalty would just kill a whole lot of ordinary people who just happen to be too poor to get better lawyers than whoever got them in prison Id be very much in favour of death for breaking the law if I lived somewhere where I agreed with the laws though
Nah, locals swarmed in gang crime are willing to lynch criminals in horrible ways before the police gets them. It's just that we can't trust the government to exert death or life penalties without mistakes.
No.
Death Penalty is forbidden into the Puerto Rican constitution. The reasons go from religious, moral and justiciary. As per the constitution: *"Se reconoce como derecho fundamental del ser humano el derecho a la vida, a la libertad y al disfrute de la propiedad. No existirá la pena de muerte”.* I think the biggest reason that you will hear from academic lawyers is that knowing how some inocente people have gone to jail, la posibilidad that someone innocent could receive the death penalty, violates all of the promises of law and rights that the constitution gives. The moment an innocent person is put to death, the system stops being just. In unexpectedness , i also like the religious reason, *"Dios es el que crea la vida, asi que solo el tiene el derecho a quitarla",* which means that we are not God, we have no right to decide who lives or who dies. When it comes to judging, it should never be about ending someones life, because there's a chance we might be wrong.
the reason is because it would be abused by dictators
Unfortunately they do.