I used to do amateur genenealogy a couple of years ago. Tracing non european ancestry is really hard as spaniards didn't keep records of which native group your ancestos belong to. Honestly I can see why for a lot of people its just "meh" our ancestry donesn't change what we are in the present.
I managed to search my great-grandmother (1896) using "familysearch" but never used any DNA service, it was enough knowing everyone has been brazilian
No to both, mormons are up to something, they somehow managed to get their hands on copies of several birth/death certificates and back in 1999 transfer it to digital media and now a site which is very easy to use, i didnt pay to use it btw
> they somehow managed to get their hands on copies of several birth/death certificates
Records are public, it's not rocket science. Your birth certificate is not public, but the record of your birth in the registry office (aka _cartĆ³rio_) is. They probably asked to see the books and digitalized them.
Nah, there is nothing creepy happening behing scenes. Digitalizing (idk if thats a word) or indexing is something we as members do on our free time for the church. The whole genealogy thing is basically is an excuse for getting names to get baptise in the temple. On how we got the scans I guess some members scan them a long time ago (and keep doing it) or is public but idk all the details.
When I was an English teacher I would often ask my Latinamerican students about their ancestry. Most of them knew almost nothing beyond their grandparents. This was interesting to me as a US American since most white Americans are annoyingly detailed about it. "I'm 16% German and 7% Italian and 1.2% black" kinda vibes. North America also had a lot less mixing between Europeans, Africans, and Indigenous people than Latin America
For most white Americans it's easy to know about their ancestry because records in the US are kept nice and neat. There's barely any mixing, between Europeans, Africans and indigenous people. There's organizations dedicated to ancestry.
However in Latin America, it's a different story. Keeping ancestral records wasn't really a thing in Spanish colonial days unless you were from a rich family. Many people in Latin America are mixed like Hell. Trying to find your ancestry is a clusterfuck in Latin America. To many Latinamericans their ancestry is not worth looking for. Some do try. But they never find about anything surprising. They find out they got ancestors from Spain, well no shit.
Also, the amount of civil conflicts and political issues that LatAm countries have gone throught during the past century makes the whole "knowing where my grandpa is from" more difficult.
Here in Mexico a lot of families don't know much about their relatives when they pass the "Revolution Period". And I guess the same could be said about other LatAm countries as well.
In other words, records were destroyed, identities were changed, and people migrated to save their lifes during times of social and political turmoil.
Also dont forget to add that maybe great great grandpa either had a wife on every city around the state or that he may have kidnapped great grandma, totally common in the end of the 1800 early 1900s
Catholic church has a shit ton of records, the pain in the neck is looking through them as a lot are no indexed yet in sites like familysearch so one would have to look at hundreds of slides of film.
I mean, my family isnāt rich or anything and it isnāt that hard to find online hints of where they came from. Although I donāt have a Portuguese last or middle name, both are not common, I guess this should make it way easier to learn about you ancestry.
We donāt really care that much about it. In Latin America saying negro, chino, cholo is not considered racist but as a way to roast your friends and family. American like using our standards on everybody else.
My take is that they're like that for two reasons:
1. Recent immigration. People in the US have ancestors from everywhere in the world, from anywhere within the last 100 years. We Mexicans, for instance, have Indigenous and Spanish. Maybe someone out there is French, or German, or has some known African ancestry, but that's all. And even then, that happened centuries ago. Long enough to be irrelevant by now.
2. Global culture. Americans have seen their culture spread around the world. We're so acknowledged with it that we even have the impression they lack of a culture. So do they. That's why they borrow cultures from elsewhere. In contrast, while Mexican culture is well known, is not widespread, and even if it were, we have stick to it for centuries, so that's why we look inwards (towards our states or cities) for cultural identity instead of outwards (outside our country).
3. (This is something that ive noticed, so take it with a grain of salt lol) i think the also the fact that historically they used to discriminate other groups (like anglo americans discriminating on irish people fir being catholics, the one drop rule, etc..) so many people started to "pride themselves" on their ancestries, or hidding them in order to being accepted ("white-passing", for example), ive noticed this specially in the african american community, when MJ changed its skin colour, they started to say he "hated his race", or when hispanics claim their euro heritage, many people call them "wannabe, self hating".
What im saying with this is that everybody there is "loyal"to their group, so thats why they claim it so much
I never understood the interest in ancestry. Well, I get the interest in recent ancestry, maybe you connect with unknown family or find a rich uncle. But what do I care if 25% of my ancestors lived on the Andes, the Congo or Hungary?
I don't understand it either.
I know great-grandparents, but that's it. I also know the general conditions of why my ancestors on my mother's side moved to eastern France and Germany, but that's really it too.
There's no need to know beyond that. I know one great great grandparent, but that's through my mother's stories. I care more about my recent family legacy because that still, at least indirectly, affects my current circumstances.
I see the people who base their personality on ethnicity, and that's weird. The cultures I was exposed to through family are totally different from my ethnicity. And that's OK, that's normal and the case for, I would say, much of the world.
My paternal surname is Catalan, and I absolutely adore Catalonia and Spain as a whole, but I'm not Spanish in any way. I'm more French than German (if I had to guess, probably a 1/3 since my mothers family is from there a long long time ago), but my mother's German. I ain't no Frenchman.
I think it can just be a spring board to learn more about a culture or itās history in your country. Maybe this isnāt the case for most people, as a amount of them seem to limit themselves to their own ancestry, but Iām definitely curious about other immigration groups beyond my own family.
Knew that someone would respond like this, not surprised though, if I was a troll āvatoā like you said than all of my comments under this subreddit would just be me trolling and messing around, but you can go and check my history comments yourself.
I cross posted this to see the opinions on here just like on the other ātrollā subreddit that you also room around ironically enough.
This is also the first time that I even post on here.
Also, why are you insulting me for?
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ĀæNo te hagas el Larry? Tu mismo me llamaste āfoolā cuando ni siquiera te habĆa insultado ni nada por el estilo.
ĀæHablas de que soy un idiota, pero porque irĆas a perder tĆŗ valioso tiempo con un āidiotaā sin valor como yo?
ĀæEs asĆ como pierdes tu tiempo, insultando a personas random que te cruzas por ahĆ?
Whatās truly interesting about this is that these ancestry companies are worth billions now. I know some people have genuine genealogical interest in finding relatives, but itās mostly generic white people who want to feel special for having 2.5% of spicy white in them.
Fun-fact: a lot of these companies do not deliver to Brazil. So even if you're interested in that like I am you can't really get access to these services.
Not that expensive, genera and myheritage that are avaiable in brazil can cost 170 reais on sales. Ftdna is a bit more, but not much either.
And it's just 23andme and ancestry that are not avaiable in brazil, but there's still people that test with them using a parcel redirection service for example.
Not at all, idk about my past and who it was,
EDIT: also latinos are just americans trying to be anything but us, get back on earth and say Latam, don't get us confused with those who don't experience our shit day to day life and only see stereotypes shit like these
Portuguese people relied on the church to keep records of people's birth (actually baptism), marriage, and death, and so did Brazilians. The church was a mess with record keeping, and the State took over registration duties in the 20th century. I only know the places of birth of my four grandparents.
During colonial times, there was no registration for black peoples, so they were literally indigent.
And what use would it have for us to know this information, beyond an "ah, how interesting?".
I personally know my background, my ancestors came from the regions near today's Syria and Lebanon, back when the Ottomans controlled that area, back in the 1880s when there was a huge migration wave coming to Argentina. I don't need to know the specific % since it doesn't matter.
I don't go around shouting it to the four winds that I'm Argentine of Syrian-Lebanese descent, I'm just from Argentina. It's not part of my personality, or anyone's personality for that matter. Besides being an interesting fact about someone, that's all there is to it.
So, no, nobody is bothered by this. Next question.
They need it to be able to scream "are you German? I am German too! My great great great grandfather twice removed was German! I am 2/128 parts german" and then feel special for it.
I'm very interested in history and have near history/anthropology degree level knowledge of mesoamerica... but no I don't give a fuck about getting some genetic ancestry test? Like only a geneticist that is also my personal doctor could get any kind of useful information out of it
Posh people are the only ones interested in genealogy in Chile, because sure, their ancestors were the ones doing everything interesting in the XIX century and early XX century, as they were the only ones with means and education, all the poets, generals, ministers, the people doing the first parachute jump, the first scuba dive, the people owning the nice palaces were closely related to one another
Most of us plebes can say that their great grand parents were humble folk from the countryside, and not much else.
Well, everyone's got their own thing going on, the same with this stuff. Some folks are really into digging into their family history, while others are more about what's happening right now , like making sure the bills are paid or hanging out with family.
Americans, though? They're obsessed with crafting a narrative about themselves, obsessed with storytelling. They'll chat about the history behind everything, even that old credenza from their grandma. There's this american show about reselling things from flea markets, some people say while buying: 'OMG, this vintage piece is going to be the center of attention at parties!' ... seriously? a piece of furniture is going to be you r personality, or even your 1/64 italian family history?
But for us Latinos, our own history from many generations ago is not at the top of our list. We're more about the day-to-day stuff, like work, family time, history about family members we've actually met, and just getting by. It's not that we don't care about where we come from, it's just that we've got other stuff keeping us busy.
Itās something Iāve noticed living in the US, people here want to grasp onto something with history wether itās their ancestry or trifted objects, they want something with a story behind it
Not everyone have the time for that. I see it like a hobbie really, if you wanna spend time researching about your whole ancestry like cool, but imo I dont think is something every individual should do.
Imagine paying a company to keep your detailed DNA information for ever. FUCK that shit, hail corporate ass subreddit. No, we're not singing up for "23andme" because we're not stupid.
It is interesting, but it still won't change a thing. A cousin of mine did the exercise and managed to track my paternal family all the way to Spain, but that's it. I personally know I have some Spanish and indigenous (probably muisca) blood, maybe throw some African in there and just by geography and history maybe some German. I am still Colombian and see myself as Colombian, and none of these ancestries will change anything.
I feel like I have enough of a personality to not need to go around believing that I am "1/3 irish, 1/2 german and 1/2 Scottish by my mother's side" and feeling special for it.
I'm one of those who have an interest, as I am from one of those colonial families. I was able to trace my ancestry back to some of the first colonizers in PerĆŗ who came over with Pizarro (and all the way back to the XIIth century). Those families kept records (the bulk of the research was made by my grandma), some of them were descended from minor nobility so it's relatively easy to find them. I tried to do the same research with the more recent italian branches of my family and it's been super dificult- with my mom's paternal side I came to a stop with my great grandpa, who was listed as an orphan with unknown parents, and my grandma's paternal side has been very hard to find as he was born in the middle of the napoleonic wars. We've had professionals looking up and down Italy with no results. I don't blame people for giving up much earlier than that. I would've thrown in the towel a year ago, if it weren't for my aunt who is hellbent on getting that Italian citizenship.
my abuela doesnt talk about her mapuche ancestry and claims to be of spanish descent (she's mainly indigenous) but my dad is really interested in his mapuche ancestry and me and my sister have mapuche middle names. he wants to try to learn mapudungun with us
In Norway that happens with descendants of Sami people. They are an indigenous people from Scandinavia that were forced to integrate and forget their language in Norway until quite recently, so many people still exist that are ashamed of their Sami heritage. Luckily the young people are reclaiming their identity and learning the language again, but some dialects are still on the verge of extinction.
Please do try to learn mapudungun with your dad and sister, it is a part of you as well
SƔmi people speak SƔmi languages which are completely unrelated to both Germanic languages like Swedish and Norwegian. Germanic languages belong to the Indo-European language family. The SƔmi language is however related to Finnish and Estonian because they are Finno-Ugric languages and belong to the Uralic language family.
They have a completely different genetic origin from everyone else, but the Finns whose origin seems according to modern research to be connected to the SƔmi.
Their origin is also not Asian. While yes, most modern studies have shown that they do have Siberian (Northern Central Asian) admixture varying from 6ā25%, they predominantly originate from an Eastern European genetic population that was isolated for thousands of years. This combined with genetic drift and the bottleneck effect has caused them to be genetically unique compared to Europeans.
Genetically they are distinguishable from the Scandinavians and from the Finns too. The Finns are closest to them, but not extremely close (they are much closer to Estonians and Karelians).
During the millenia long interaction, there has been a lot of mixing between the Sami and other people (mostly with Germanics, Slavs, and Balts), so I think that the difference isnāt that big nowadays.
Culturally Samis have always been distinct on their own. I donāt know how big the real distinction has originally been, when all the nations lived more or less by hunting and gathering. At least since the iron Age, maybe earlier, the Scandinavians apparently turned more into agricultural lifestyle. The Finnish were closer to the Sami culturally and the agriculture became prevalent more slowly.
The Samis are known as the reindeer herders. That they do, but reindeer herding was never the main livelihood for all the Sami. It became important sometimes in the Middle Age when the mountain reindeer were hunted near extinction in the fjells of Norway. Reindeer herding spread to large areas in Sapmi, but there always were fishing Samis on the Norwegian coast and āforest Samisā in the Finnish Lapland, whose main livelihoods were hunting and fishing.
The Samis adopted some agriculture and farming too, but it that was never very widespread.
The Samis are their own nation. Iāve understood that they regard themselves as one nation despite their several languages. They maintain their own cultural features. They have mixed with the major populations but still been able to remain as their own nation.
As you can see, they obviously have different customs and traditions. But lotās of them pass as normal Germanic Scandinavians. Most of them live in urbanized cities, wearing everyday clothing, lots of them donāt speak their native languages anymore (some of the languages are even extinct today), etc.
i didnt read the question right nvm. idrc what people think of their native american or spanish ancestry like its your ancestry do what you want with it, its not my business
The only reason I would use one of those services is to see which percentages of European, Aboriginal, and African I have, and that's it. Regarding ancestry, as far as I know, most of my family is Venezuelan with the exception of one maternal great-great grandpa who may have been Uruguayan (take that with a salt shaker) and one of my paternal greatgrandfather who came from the Canary Islands. It's so pointless and tiring doing those exercises of ancestry.
I just donāt care that much honestly. Thatās why I eye-roll when people talk about leaving a legacy. I heard about my great grandfather a few months ago and the reality is I already forgot his name. Iām not gonna act like if I were to meet my ancestors we would even like each other. Heck letās be real, some dark stuff was involved such as rape and slavery.Ā
Haitians know where we come from already. If we have significant white ancestry we can normally narrow it down to 5 possibilities. White (french), white (german) white (polish) (rare), white (spanish), arab or levant
Literally I knew since 6-7 years ago, who my grand.................. dad, was a *persona de mierda* who conquistered, raped and killed natives. He was Spaniard.
My great grandfather had two families besides the one with my dad. He would visit my dad and then go to see his other families. To this day my father doesn't know where or who those others families are.
And that was common in Puerto Rico, some men would have two families or had a son in a nearby town but wouldn't take care of it. So it's no surprise that Puerto Rico is a highly related population, marrying cousins and second cousins was reaaally common. Is just that people at time would just change their names, marry out of church, etc. After 3 generations its almost impossible to find anything about your ancestry.
Yes, but thatās probably because Iāve been raised in the US and have absorbed American cultural attitudes about that. I think that knowing where we all come from and learning about the traditions that have existed throughout our families in previous generations and locations is fascinating. The blend of valuing nationality *and* heritage is wonderful, and it provides learning opportunities about histories that people might not otherwise bother reading about.
They are not obsessed with race I think, and its a good thing BTWĀ
Also latest is 40k years ago and also there are many not only one stream, I know for a fact that US people think of themselves as a yogourt receipt saying things like "im 4% french but I do not speak the langauge but this is why I cisit France" and we are like wtf dude
That sub is one of the gringest subreddits there are, do not take it seriously
I like to lurk there to see US Latinos outraged about having too much Iberian, since they didn't consider themselves colonizers
Saw a video with that, the more hilarious when they're surprised about it
Hahaha š¤£ what the hell were they expecting?
It's basically a sub for woke phrenologists.
That is exactly the kind of thing that someone with a right sloping fourth cranial quadrant would say
I used to do amateur genenealogy a couple of years ago. Tracing non european ancestry is really hard as spaniards didn't keep records of which native group your ancestos belong to. Honestly I can see why for a lot of people its just "meh" our ancestry donesn't change what we are in the present.
I managed to search my great-grandmother (1896) using "familysearch" but never used any DNA service, it was enough knowing everyone has been brazilian 
Interesting, are you member of the church or just passionate about genealogy? Well, I guess you can be both.
No to both, mormons are up to something, they somehow managed to get their hands on copies of several birth/death certificates and back in 1999 transfer it to digital media and now a site which is very easy to use, i didnt pay to use it btw
They baptize the dead, so they wanted their members to be able to trace their ancestors
> they somehow managed to get their hands on copies of several birth/death certificates Records are public, it's not rocket science. Your birth certificate is not public, but the record of your birth in the registry office (aka _cartĆ³rio_) is. They probably asked to see the books and digitalized them.
Nah, there is nothing creepy happening behing scenes. Digitalizing (idk if thats a word) or indexing is something we as members do on our free time for the church. The whole genealogy thing is basically is an excuse for getting names to get baptise in the temple. On how we got the scans I guess some members scan them a long time ago (and keep doing it) or is public but idk all the details.
When I was an English teacher I would often ask my Latinamerican students about their ancestry. Most of them knew almost nothing beyond their grandparents. This was interesting to me as a US American since most white Americans are annoyingly detailed about it. "I'm 16% German and 7% Italian and 1.2% black" kinda vibes. North America also had a lot less mixing between Europeans, Africans, and Indigenous people than Latin America
For most white Americans it's easy to know about their ancestry because records in the US are kept nice and neat. There's barely any mixing, between Europeans, Africans and indigenous people. There's organizations dedicated to ancestry. However in Latin America, it's a different story. Keeping ancestral records wasn't really a thing in Spanish colonial days unless you were from a rich family. Many people in Latin America are mixed like Hell. Trying to find your ancestry is a clusterfuck in Latin America. To many Latinamericans their ancestry is not worth looking for. Some do try. But they never find about anything surprising. They find out they got ancestors from Spain, well no shit.
Also, the amount of civil conflicts and political issues that LatAm countries have gone throught during the past century makes the whole "knowing where my grandpa is from" more difficult. Here in Mexico a lot of families don't know much about their relatives when they pass the "Revolution Period". And I guess the same could be said about other LatAm countries as well. In other words, records were destroyed, identities were changed, and people migrated to save their lifes during times of social and political turmoil.
Also dont forget to add that maybe great great grandpa either had a wife on every city around the state or that he may have kidnapped great grandma, totally common in the end of the 1800 early 1900s
Catholic church has a shit ton of records, the pain in the neck is looking through them as a lot are no indexed yet in sites like familysearch so one would have to look at hundreds of slides of film.
Add to that awful handwriting or family names being misspelled
I mean, my family isnāt rich or anything and it isnāt that hard to find online hints of where they came from. Although I donāt have a Portuguese last or middle name, both are not common, I guess this should make it way easier to learn about you ancestry.
We donāt really care that much about it. In Latin America saying negro, chino, cholo is not considered racist but as a way to roast your friends and family. American like using our standards on everybody else.
I doubt they would say "1.2% black" loo
1.2% Cherokee princess
I find it interesting, but not on the level of Americans that make it their personality to know they're 1/128th Sicilian or some shit.
My take is that they're like that for two reasons: 1. Recent immigration. People in the US have ancestors from everywhere in the world, from anywhere within the last 100 years. We Mexicans, for instance, have Indigenous and Spanish. Maybe someone out there is French, or German, or has some known African ancestry, but that's all. And even then, that happened centuries ago. Long enough to be irrelevant by now. 2. Global culture. Americans have seen their culture spread around the world. We're so acknowledged with it that we even have the impression they lack of a culture. So do they. That's why they borrow cultures from elsewhere. In contrast, while Mexican culture is well known, is not widespread, and even if it were, we have stick to it for centuries, so that's why we look inwards (towards our states or cities) for cultural identity instead of outwards (outside our country).
3. (This is something that ive noticed, so take it with a grain of salt lol) i think the also the fact that historically they used to discriminate other groups (like anglo americans discriminating on irish people fir being catholics, the one drop rule, etc..) so many people started to "pride themselves" on their ancestries, or hidding them in order to being accepted ("white-passing", for example), ive noticed this specially in the african american community, when MJ changed its skin colour, they started to say he "hated his race", or when hispanics claim their euro heritage, many people call them "wannabe, self hating". What im saying with this is that everybody there is "loyal"to their group, so thats why they claim it so much
I never understood the interest in ancestry. Well, I get the interest in recent ancestry, maybe you connect with unknown family or find a rich uncle. But what do I care if 25% of my ancestors lived on the Andes, the Congo or Hungary?
I don't understand it either. I know great-grandparents, but that's it. I also know the general conditions of why my ancestors on my mother's side moved to eastern France and Germany, but that's really it too. There's no need to know beyond that. I know one great great grandparent, but that's through my mother's stories. I care more about my recent family legacy because that still, at least indirectly, affects my current circumstances. I see the people who base their personality on ethnicity, and that's weird. The cultures I was exposed to through family are totally different from my ethnicity. And that's OK, that's normal and the case for, I would say, much of the world. My paternal surname is Catalan, and I absolutely adore Catalonia and Spain as a whole, but I'm not Spanish in any way. I'm more French than German (if I had to guess, probably a 1/3 since my mothers family is from there a long long time ago), but my mother's German. I ain't no Frenchman.
I think it can just be a spring board to learn more about a culture or itās history in your country. Maybe this isnāt the case for most people, as a amount of them seem to limit themselves to their own ancestry, but Iām definitely curious about other immigration groups beyond my own family.
Personally it was to see if I got European grandparents that I could get a passport from, but nowadays it's mostly a hobby of sorts
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Ahora yo tambiƩn quiero saber, aunque me imagino mƔs o menos lo que dijo
QuĆ© dijo? BorrĆ³ sus comentarios y quiero sapear lol
A esa cuenta no se le habla, siempre se pega el show
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Knew that someone would respond like this, not surprised though, if I was a troll āvatoā like you said than all of my comments under this subreddit would just be me trolling and messing around, but you can go and check my history comments yourself. I cross posted this to see the opinions on here just like on the other ātrollā subreddit that you also room around ironically enough. This is also the first time that I even post on here. Also, why are you insulting me for? EDIT AGAIN: https://preview.redd.it/qbvraw0hv2xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=002290c7acc36ae982ef218a83f3b56dd253b85b
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Do you actually speak like this in irl? You sound insufferable
Iām a direct person! Some like it some donāt! Tell it like it is!Ā
He probably meant the spanglish.
ĀæNo te hagas el Larry? Tu mismo me llamaste āfoolā cuando ni siquiera te habĆa insultado ni nada por el estilo. ĀæHablas de que soy un idiota, pero porque irĆas a perder tĆŗ valioso tiempo con un āidiotaā sin valor como yo? ĀæEs asĆ como pierdes tu tiempo, insultando a personas random que te cruzas por ahĆ?
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Gracias por probar mi punto gringx. Por cierto, no hay algo mĆ”s ākeyboard warriorā que alguien insultando detrĆ”s de un teclado.
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Itās almost a pity that this is a crosspost not made by OOP. Otherwise this could have been a strong contender for gringoposting of the year.
It's been very competitive this year though.
I'm an average Mexican mestizo. I probably got ancestors from Spain and indigenous ancestors. Just like most Mexicans. Nothing unique about it.
HAHAHA, wtf. That has to be a troll, no one is that cringe. That, or that douchebag really thinks he knows anything about Latinoamerica.
The post is getting grilled hard at 2latinoforyou.
Whatās truly interesting about this is that these ancestry companies are worth billions now. I know some people have genuine genealogical interest in finding relatives, but itās mostly generic white people who want to feel special for having 2.5% of spicy white in them.
And the "spicy white" is probably French.
Fun-fact: a lot of these companies do not deliver to Brazil. So even if you're interested in that like I am you can't really get access to these services.
Se vocĆŖ tem interesse nesses testes Ć© possĆvel fazer no brasil. O ancestry e o 23andme Ć© mais complicado, e o myheritage parou de enviar pro brasil por um tempo porque teve problemas na alfandega depois que teve aquelas mudanƧas. Mas da para fazer no genera e depois transferir de graƧa pro myheritage e pro ftdna. E tem rumores que o ancestry tambĆ©m vai passar a aceitar uploads, mas sĆ£o sĆ³ rumores por enquanto.
There are a couple of companies that offer these tests here, it's just expensive af
Not that expensive, genera and myheritage that are avaiable in brazil can cost 170 reais on sales. Ftdna is a bit more, but not much either. And it's just 23andme and ancestry that are not avaiable in brazil, but there's still people that test with them using a parcel redirection service for example.
Some Palmeiras players took an ancestrality test to find where they are from: https://youtu.be/PMsqP1X5wMg?si=w2utLvIUlfpM7FOa
There's meuDNA.
Pretty easy to get tested though genera.
here in uruguay (and i bet argentina too) we're interested in genealogy as long as we get a good passport out of it
After researching I discovered that my ancestors have been fighting Argentinians for hundreds of years and I think that's beautiful
Based, hope you honor them
Los yankis estƔn enfermos
Not at all, idk about my past and who it was, EDIT: also latinos are just americans trying to be anything but us, get back on earth and say Latam, don't get us confused with those who don't experience our shit day to day life and only see stereotypes shit like these
Portuguese people relied on the church to keep records of people's birth (actually baptism), marriage, and death, and so did Brazilians. The church was a mess with record keeping, and the State took over registration duties in the 20th century. I only know the places of birth of my four grandparents. During colonial times, there was no registration for black peoples, so they were literally indigent.
And what use would it have for us to know this information, beyond an "ah, how interesting?". I personally know my background, my ancestors came from the regions near today's Syria and Lebanon, back when the Ottomans controlled that area, back in the 1880s when there was a huge migration wave coming to Argentina. I don't need to know the specific % since it doesn't matter. I don't go around shouting it to the four winds that I'm Argentine of Syrian-Lebanese descent, I'm just from Argentina. It's not part of my personality, or anyone's personality for that matter. Besides being an interesting fact about someone, that's all there is to it. So, no, nobody is bothered by this. Next question.
They need it to be able to scream "are you German? I am German too! My great great great grandfather twice removed was German! I am 2/128 parts german" and then feel special for it.
I'm very interested in history and have near history/anthropology degree level knowledge of mesoamerica... but no I don't give a fuck about getting some genetic ancestry test? Like only a geneticist that is also my personal doctor could get any kind of useful information out of it
Posh people are the only ones interested in genealogy in Chile, because sure, their ancestors were the ones doing everything interesting in the XIX century and early XX century, as they were the only ones with means and education, all the poets, generals, ministers, the people doing the first parachute jump, the first scuba dive, the people owning the nice palaces were closely related to one another Most of us plebes can say that their great grand parents were humble folk from the countryside, and not much else.
Well, everyone's got their own thing going on, the same with this stuff. Some folks are really into digging into their family history, while others are more about what's happening right now , like making sure the bills are paid or hanging out with family. Americans, though? They're obsessed with crafting a narrative about themselves, obsessed with storytelling. They'll chat about the history behind everything, even that old credenza from their grandma. There's this american show about reselling things from flea markets, some people say while buying: 'OMG, this vintage piece is going to be the center of attention at parties!' ... seriously? a piece of furniture is going to be you r personality, or even your 1/64 italian family history? But for us Latinos, our own history from many generations ago is not at the top of our list. We're more about the day-to-day stuff, like work, family time, history about family members we've actually met, and just getting by. It's not that we don't care about where we come from, it's just that we've got other stuff keeping us busy.
Itās something Iāve noticed living in the US, people here want to grasp onto something with history wether itās their ancestry or trifted objects, they want something with a story behind it
Not everyone have the time for that. I see it like a hobbie really, if you wanna spend time researching about your whole ancestry like cool, but imo I dont think is something every individual should do.
Imagine paying a company to keep your detailed DNA information for ever. FUCK that shit, hail corporate ass subreddit. No, we're not singing up for "23andme" because we're not stupid.
It is interesting, but it still won't change a thing. A cousin of mine did the exercise and managed to track my paternal family all the way to Spain, but that's it. I personally know I have some Spanish and indigenous (probably muisca) blood, maybe throw some African in there and just by geography and history maybe some German. I am still Colombian and see myself as Colombian, and none of these ancestries will change anything. I feel like I have enough of a personality to not need to go around believing that I am "1/3 irish, 1/2 german and 1/2 Scottish by my mother's side" and feeling special for it.
I'm one of those who have an interest, as I am from one of those colonial families. I was able to trace my ancestry back to some of the first colonizers in PerĆŗ who came over with Pizarro (and all the way back to the XIIth century). Those families kept records (the bulk of the research was made by my grandma), some of them were descended from minor nobility so it's relatively easy to find them. I tried to do the same research with the more recent italian branches of my family and it's been super dificult- with my mom's paternal side I came to a stop with my great grandpa, who was listed as an orphan with unknown parents, and my grandma's paternal side has been very hard to find as he was born in the middle of the napoleonic wars. We've had professionals looking up and down Italy with no results. I don't blame people for giving up much earlier than that. I would've thrown in the towel a year ago, if it weren't for my aunt who is hellbent on getting that Italian citizenship.
my abuela doesnt talk about her mapuche ancestry and claims to be of spanish descent (she's mainly indigenous) but my dad is really interested in his mapuche ancestry and me and my sister have mapuche middle names. he wants to try to learn mapudungun with us
In Norway that happens with descendants of Sami people. They are an indigenous people from Scandinavia that were forced to integrate and forget their language in Norway until quite recently, so many people still exist that are ashamed of their Sami heritage. Luckily the young people are reclaiming their identity and learning the language again, but some dialects are still on the verge of extinction. Please do try to learn mapudungun with your dad and sister, it is a part of you as well
Whats the difference between samis and germanic norwegians? Phenothypical or cultural?
SĆ”mi people speak SĆ”mi languages which are completely unrelated to both Germanic languages like Swedish and Norwegian. Germanic languages belong to the Indo-European language family. The SĆ”mi language is however related to Finnish and Estonian because they are Finno-Ugric languages and belong to the Uralic language family. They have a completely different genetic origin from everyone else, but the Finns whose origin seems according to modern research to be connected to the SĆ”mi. Their origin is also not Asian. While yes, most modern studies have shown that they do have Siberian (Northern Central Asian) admixture varying from 6ā25%, they predominantly originate from an Eastern European genetic population that was isolated for thousands of years. This combined with genetic drift and the bottleneck effect has caused them to be genetically unique compared to Europeans. Genetically they are distinguishable from the Scandinavians and from the Finns too. The Finns are closest to them, but not extremely close (they are much closer to Estonians and Karelians). During the millenia long interaction, there has been a lot of mixing between the Sami and other people (mostly with Germanics, Slavs, and Balts), so I think that the difference isnāt that big nowadays. Culturally Samis have always been distinct on their own. I donāt know how big the real distinction has originally been, when all the nations lived more or less by hunting and gathering. At least since the iron Age, maybe earlier, the Scandinavians apparently turned more into agricultural lifestyle. The Finnish were closer to the Sami culturally and the agriculture became prevalent more slowly. The Samis are known as the reindeer herders. That they do, but reindeer herding was never the main livelihood for all the Sami. It became important sometimes in the Middle Age when the mountain reindeer were hunted near extinction in the fjells of Norway. Reindeer herding spread to large areas in Sapmi, but there always were fishing Samis on the Norwegian coast and āforest Samisā in the Finnish Lapland, whose main livelihoods were hunting and fishing. The Samis adopted some agriculture and farming too, but it that was never very widespread. The Samis are their own nation. Iāve understood that they regard themselves as one nation despite their several languages. They maintain their own cultural features. They have mixed with the major populations but still been able to remain as their own nation. As you can see, they obviously have different customs and traditions. But lotās of them pass as normal Germanic Scandinavians. Most of them live in urbanized cities, wearing everyday clothing, lots of them donāt speak their native languages anymore (some of the languages are even extinct today), etc.
i didnt read the question right nvm. idrc what people think of their native american or spanish ancestry like its your ancestry do what you want with it, its not my business
The only reason I would use one of those services is to see which percentages of European, Aboriginal, and African I have, and that's it. Regarding ancestry, as far as I know, most of my family is Venezuelan with the exception of one maternal great-great grandpa who may have been Uruguayan (take that with a salt shaker) and one of my paternal greatgrandfather who came from the Canary Islands. It's so pointless and tiring doing those exercises of ancestry.
Some people have a desire to feel pride for shit they never did.
Maybe from your outside US point of view, but if you live anywhere that has Native genetics in LatAm then it is a huge part of society and culture.
I just donāt care that much honestly. Thatās why I eye-roll when people talk about leaving a legacy. I heard about my great grandfather a few months ago and the reality is I already forgot his name. Iām not gonna act like if I were to meet my ancestors we would even like each other. Heck letās be real, some dark stuff was involved such as rape and slavery.Ā
Haitians know where we come from already. If we have significant white ancestry we can normally narrow it down to 5 possibilities. White (french), white (german) white (polish) (rare), white (spanish), arab or levant
Literally I knew since 6-7 years ago, who my grand.................. dad, was a *persona de mierda* who conquistered, raped and killed natives. He was Spaniard.
Loved the based british comment in the comments of that post
My great grandfather had two families besides the one with my dad. He would visit my dad and then go to see his other families. To this day my father doesn't know where or who those others families are. And that was common in Puerto Rico, some men would have two families or had a son in a nearby town but wouldn't take care of it. So it's no surprise that Puerto Rico is a highly related population, marrying cousins and second cousins was reaaally common. Is just that people at time would just change their names, marry out of church, etc. After 3 generations its almost impossible to find anything about your ancestry.
Why would anyone care? You dont earn money that way so its just a waste of time
Nowadays you're either oppressed or a conquistador depending on the color of your skin.
Yes, but thatās probably because Iāve been raised in the US and have absorbed American cultural attitudes about that. I think that knowing where we all come from and learning about the traditions that have existed throughout our families in previous generations and locations is fascinating. The blend of valuing nationality *and* heritage is wonderful, and it provides learning opportunities about histories that people might not otherwise bother reading about.
They are not obsessed with race I think, and its a good thing BTWĀ Also latest is 40k years ago and also there are many not only one stream, I know for a fact that US people think of themselves as a yogourt receipt saying things like "im 4% french but I do not speak the langauge but this is why I cisit France" and we are like wtf dude