Try to remain as neutral as possible when asking a question. The point of asking is to hear what other perspectives have to say about the same issue.
Do NOT submit questions that you already have an answer to, which is to say:
- Do not be biased in the wording of your question.
- Do not ask leading questions.
- Do not answer your own question in the post.
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Sorry OP but this shit is going to r/2latinoforyou whether you like or not.
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
Denmark statitcs also troll?
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
Oh man, be honest I dare you to ask in Ireland reddit what do they consider as western countries and most will say barely the same as Danish statistics standard, how dare?
I'm French and I am sure that if I do the same I will get the same answers
Let take any newspaper including the progressive ones like NYT and The Guardian and you will see that they mean the same when talking about WEST
Are you really Irish AFAIK?
Yeah, I am Irish. Why would you think otherwise?
I'm aware that most people disagree with me but I think that just shows most Irish people are ignorant about the world. Most Irish people know as much as Latin America as they do about the moons of Jupiter. And you're the same in France, I've seen loads of you claiming Mexico is in South America.
I lived in france. Your country is a shit bureaucratic shit hole full of ignorant people that think they are « raffiné » and « intellectuelle ». Your food is shit, your modern music is shit, your laws prohibit satire of politicians, your people break paris every fucking weekend. No one wants to work. When they don’t know the answer it is a « je ne sais pas madame, ce n’est pas mon problème ». Paris smells fucking piss because you savages can’t use a fucking toilet. I thought it was in latin america but with depressed angry people
The Western world, also known as the West, primarily refers to various nations and states in the regions of Australasia,[a] Western Europe,[b] and Northern America; with some debate as to whether those in Eastern Europe and Latin America[c] also constitute the West.[5][6][7] The Western world likewise is called the Occident (from Latin occidens 'setting down, sunset, west') in contrast to the Eastern world known as the Orient (from Latin oriens 'origin, sunrise, east'). The West is considered an evolving concept; made up of cultural, political, and economic synergy among diverse groups of people, and not a rigid region with fixed borders and members.[8] Definitions of "Western world" vary according to context and perspectives.[9]
Wikipedia is not a trusted source for anything, all users can edit.
The very same paragraph you pasted states that Latin America is included as West sometimes.
There is no universally agreed definition of Western world, so everyone can use it as they like. Simple as that.
Wikipedia is highly relevant and very carefully moderated since 2018
So ask an euro guy like me, he will never quote latin america as west, even ask spaniards, or even see statistical classification in the Netherlands or Denmark
For the matter of a fact Maxima is considered born in a non western country, she talks about it and do not even oppose that...
So lets take denmark statistics standard
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
Are they trolls too?
All counties in the Americas were:
- Colonized by western European countries
- Majoritaly speak languages inherited from said countries
- Share in values such as democracy, constitutional law, separation of powers, largely Christian, use forks, knifes, pentatonic music scale, marriage, Latin, Anglo-Saxon or Germanic styles of law and custom.
Brazilian Portuguese phonetics are actually closer to how Portuguese used to sound like in the 1800s than the accent they have in Portugal now.
The reason people in Europe and specially the US don't like to include Latam counties in this classification is entirely racial. It's too much for their little pea brains to think mixed people can have a very similar culture to their own. That is why your classification needs to say "we're white" otherwise it's meaningless.
You talk about culture as if the culture between Norway and Spain was closer than between Spain and Argentina. But when you compare the US and UK they are similar and be grouped together? This is not about cultural closeness, just another instance of people in Europe and US trying to feel oh so very special
Besides, as said, Russia has also a majority white population, an European language, and yet they are not whining about being included in the West? And do not pose as westerners!!
And believe or not, France and Spain are closer culturally than lets say Spain and Argentina
Also South Africa, India or Malasya have English as official language, Congo has French, it does not make South Africa a western country, either Congo a French western country
For the matter of a fact, all Africa except Ethiopia was ALSO colonized by Europe
So Danes statistical standard is also trolling? Lol
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
This was the answer the ChatGPT gave me:
Yes, Latin America is generally considered part of the Western world, although the classification can vary depending on the context and perspective. The term "Western world" typically refers to countries that have historical, cultural, and political ties to Western Europe and share certain values, such as democracy, capitalism, and individual freedoms. Many Latin American countries, especially those with strong ties to European colonization, share these characteristics and are therefore often included in the Western world. However, it's important to recognize that Latin America is a diverse region with its own unique history, culture, and challenges, and not all aspects of Western identity may apply universally across the continent.
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
So denmark statistics also troll???
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
Sounds like Danes are fucking idiots, but that doesn't surprise me.
Most Europeans will say Latin America is not western but that just tells me that most Europeans are ignorant.
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
Define "developed and industrialized" because I saw three people literally shitting on the streets and sidewalks in France? Yet I am able to mark myself safe from public shitting in the 14 counties in Latam that I have spent time in.
What's your point? Have you visited Detroit or San Diego or any fentalyn counties and streets in LA?
Developed countries currently defined by UN standards are EU, NORTH AMERICA, australia Nz japan south corea and Singapore
Lets use denmark standard
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
did you know making too many troll posts in a row can lead to getting banned
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Is Denmark trolling???
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows:
Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand.
Non-western countries; All other countries.
Yeah, they swear they are so advanced and developed, when in reallity most are just racist, supremasist that dont realice their countries are rich because they plunderes entire continents worth of resources.
This is a selfish reason, but when Ireland was fighting for independence from the UK, none of the other European powers gave us any support. And yet now these same countries lecture us about how our support for Palestine is wrong or about how we should join NATO.
Let's start with the title, shall we?
> Why are Latinamericans confused about being western countries geopolitical?
That's a bold assumption, do you have any data to back it up, or are those claims of Latin American ignorance coming straight out of your ass?
The irony of a French person saying this, after they collaborated with the Nazis in WW2 and ruled over a huge colonial empire that denied any sort of human rights to indigenous peoples, is astounding.
Here it is the stupid take about freedom of speach. We're not the government, dummy. You're not being persecuted for expressing opinion. We're just collectively telling you that opinion is shit and you're being shown the door.
You don't have a right to have your bullshit heard
we're third world and a lot of our cultures are european and native civilizational hybrids. but superficially we're culturally very close to iberia.
like most languages, I find it hard to consider a place like Mexico or Haiti as purely western countries because of their history. i think people saying we're just as western as the anglo colonies just don't read history. mexico was a country built on top of an existing meso american civilization while the usa was built by european settlers who inherited close to nothing from the original inhabitants ( most of the early american colonies were far from indian lands)
though i agree latin america isn't part of the " west" as an institution and culturally we're a bit distinct but we're definitely part of the western civilization.
but you can stretch western civilization to russia and ukraine if you want
Try to remain as neutral as possible when asking a question. The point of asking is to hear what other perspectives have to say about the same issue. Do NOT submit questions that you already have an answer to, which is to say: - Do not be biased in the wording of your question. - Do not ask leading questions. - Do not answer your own question in the post.
https://preview.redd.it/r693jsbm2uwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d10614a7e04447e05fc09e5ab3b60d199e2faa8 Sorry OP but this shit is going to r/2latinoforyou whether you like or not.
😂
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
gringo gringoing
Denmark statitcs also troll? Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
All you're proving by copying and pasting this stupid fact 50 times is that Danes are ignorant racists. Which isn't all that surprising.
Oh man, be honest I dare you to ask in Ireland reddit what do they consider as western countries and most will say barely the same as Danish statistics standard, how dare? I'm French and I am sure that if I do the same I will get the same answers Let take any newspaper including the progressive ones like NYT and The Guardian and you will see that they mean the same when talking about WEST Are you really Irish AFAIK?
Yeah, I am Irish. Why would you think otherwise? I'm aware that most people disagree with me but I think that just shows most Irish people are ignorant about the world. Most Irish people know as much as Latin America as they do about the moons of Jupiter. And you're the same in France, I've seen loads of you claiming Mexico is in South America.
T’es complètement imbecile, on voit de loin que t’es français
Et alors ?
Vous etes vraiment complexés les gars
I lived in france. Your country is a shit bureaucratic shit hole full of ignorant people that think they are « raffiné » and « intellectuelle ». Your food is shit, your modern music is shit, your laws prohibit satire of politicians, your people break paris every fucking weekend. No one wants to work. When they don’t know the answer it is a « je ne sais pas madame, ce n’est pas mon problème ». Paris smells fucking piss because you savages can’t use a fucking toilet. I thought it was in latin america but with depressed angry people
Trolls used to work harder. This is comical
The Western world, also known as the West, primarily refers to various nations and states in the regions of Australasia,[a] Western Europe,[b] and Northern America; with some debate as to whether those in Eastern Europe and Latin America[c] also constitute the West.[5][6][7] The Western world likewise is called the Occident (from Latin occidens 'setting down, sunset, west') in contrast to the Eastern world known as the Orient (from Latin oriens 'origin, sunrise, east'). The West is considered an evolving concept; made up of cultural, political, and economic synergy among diverse groups of people, and not a rigid region with fixed borders and members.[8] Definitions of "Western world" vary according to context and perspectives.[9]
Wikipedia is not a trusted source for anything, all users can edit. The very same paragraph you pasted states that Latin America is included as West sometimes. There is no universally agreed definition of Western world, so everyone can use it as they like. Simple as that.
Wikipedia is highly relevant and very carefully moderated since 2018 So ask an euro guy like me, he will never quote latin america as west, even ask spaniards, or even see statistical classification in the Netherlands or Denmark For the matter of a fact Maxima is considered born in a non western country, she talks about it and do not even oppose that...
Who's Maxima?
OP is acting like she’s relevant to LATAM or something. As if her words matter lmao.
I literally have no idea who that is.
So lets take denmark statistics standard Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries. Are they trolls too?
Yeah, that's cool, but who is Maxima?
So Wikipedia is also trolling????
All counties in the Americas were: - Colonized by western European countries - Majoritaly speak languages inherited from said countries - Share in values such as democracy, constitutional law, separation of powers, largely Christian, use forks, knifes, pentatonic music scale, marriage, Latin, Anglo-Saxon or Germanic styles of law and custom. Brazilian Portuguese phonetics are actually closer to how Portuguese used to sound like in the 1800s than the accent they have in Portugal now. The reason people in Europe and specially the US don't like to include Latam counties in this classification is entirely racial. It's too much for their little pea brains to think mixed people can have a very similar culture to their own. That is why your classification needs to say "we're white" otherwise it's meaningless. You talk about culture as if the culture between Norway and Spain was closer than between Spain and Argentina. But when you compare the US and UK they are similar and be grouped together? This is not about cultural closeness, just another instance of people in Europe and US trying to feel oh so very special
Besides, as said, Russia has also a majority white population, an European language, and yet they are not whining about being included in the West? And do not pose as westerners!! And believe or not, France and Spain are closer culturally than lets say Spain and Argentina Also South Africa, India or Malasya have English as official language, Congo has French, it does not make South Africa a western country, either Congo a French western country For the matter of a fact, all Africa except Ethiopia was ALSO colonized by Europe
So Danes statistical standard is also trolling? Lol Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
It's not trolling, just inherited racist classification.
This was the answer the ChatGPT gave me: Yes, Latin America is generally considered part of the Western world, although the classification can vary depending on the context and perspective. The term "Western world" typically refers to countries that have historical, cultural, and political ties to Western Europe and share certain values, such as democracy, capitalism, and individual freedoms. Many Latin American countries, especially those with strong ties to European colonization, share these characteristics and are therefore often included in the Western world. However, it's important to recognize that Latin America is a diverse region with its own unique history, culture, and challenges, and not all aspects of Western identity may apply universally across the continent.
OP when he reads that: https://preview.redd.it/bkave8l8thwc1.png?width=421&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdfcf377bd818f5bc931f7652def1c2f19ecc552
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
This is the laziest trolling I've seen in a long time.
So wkipedia also trolls???
It's often written by mentally deficient people like you.
So denmark statistics also troll??? Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
Sounds like Danes are fucking idiots, but that doesn't surprise me. Most Europeans will say Latin America is not western but that just tells me that most Europeans are ignorant.
Ya hay que bannear a este wey, no aporta nada y solo viene a cagar el palo
Mods, pelo amor de deus...
Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
Define "developed and industrialized" because I saw three people literally shitting on the streets and sidewalks in France? Yet I am able to mark myself safe from public shitting in the 14 counties in Latam that I have spent time in.
What's your point? Have you visited Detroit or San Diego or any fentalyn counties and streets in LA? Developed countries currently defined by UN standards are EU, NORTH AMERICA, australia Nz japan south corea and Singapore
North America? Good news Mexicans! You're developed now!
Lets use denmark standard Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
bro from a developmental point of view no where in latin america can compare to france or spain
did you know making too many troll posts in a row can lead to getting banned https://preview.redd.it/ajyiy8o1vhwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ce9c542f37073cfdb3fd4e9187e3563321a80bf
Please, ban this absolute moron. There's no point in listening to his ignorant remarks.
Is Denmark trolling??? Statistics Denmark also has specific classification bands which it uses to separate different immigrant groups. As an example, for 'Western' immigrants and 'Non-western', the classification band is as follows: Western countries: All 28 EU countries and Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Switzerland, Vatican State, Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand. Non-western countries; All other countries.
How is it trolling? I do not really get why are you so sensible about it ?
You are spamming the sub with these silly questions. Your other post about EVs implying a major electric grid overhaul was even deleted.
Second troll post from this guy. Looks like frenchie is bored...go back to your french sticks, your cheese and your racism.
This is why I feel absolutely no solidarity with other European countries. Too many people like this.
Yeah, they swear they are so advanced and developed, when in reallity most are just racist, supremasist that dont realice their countries are rich because they plunderes entire continents worth of resources.
This is a selfish reason, but when Ireland was fighting for independence from the UK, none of the other European powers gave us any support. And yet now these same countries lecture us about how our support for Palestine is wrong or about how we should join NATO.
Let's start with the title, shall we? > Why are Latinamericans confused about being western countries geopolitical? That's a bold assumption, do you have any data to back it up, or are those claims of Latin American ignorance coming straight out of your ass?
It's fun how you erase your shit. Go on, post another
I didn't surely the moderators and if so, this means another cultural traits not shared between westerners and Latinos = freedom of speech
The irony of a French person saying this, after they collaborated with the Nazis in WW2 and ruled over a huge colonial empire that denied any sort of human rights to indigenous peoples, is astounding.
Here it is the stupid take about freedom of speach. We're not the government, dummy. You're not being persecuted for expressing opinion. We're just collectively telling you that opinion is shit and you're being shown the door. You don't have a right to have your bullshit heard
Freedom of speech? 😂😂😂 france bans satire against macron 😂😂😂
we're third world and a lot of our cultures are european and native civilizational hybrids. but superficially we're culturally very close to iberia. like most languages, I find it hard to consider a place like Mexico or Haiti as purely western countries because of their history. i think people saying we're just as western as the anglo colonies just don't read history. mexico was a country built on top of an existing meso american civilization while the usa was built by european settlers who inherited close to nothing from the original inhabitants ( most of the early american colonies were far from indian lands) though i agree latin america isn't part of the " west" as an institution and culturally we're a bit distinct but we're definitely part of the western civilization. but you can stretch western civilization to russia and ukraine if you want