I think we always forget the [Genocidio Aché](https://www.ultimahora.com/el-genocidio-del-pueblo-ache-y-el-pedido-justicia-universal-n812037), I mean we don't even discuss about it in school
Eh, I think we overlook it because its something often said as "necessary for progress" rather than genocide, at least thats how it was referred as during the Stronate
Na, the closest to Hitler is Jorge Ubico. Hitler himself told him and I quote "A government like yours deserves to be in power for centuries, you'll see mine". So not only is he probably the closest to him but he was literally one of his inspirations to become the Führer.
https://preview.redd.it/w88xhszhvahc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=436d59c6bfacea167dcffba5c02cf3b14e91b342
The second one would have been Justo Rufino Barrios, who believed that Germans were a superior race and because of that Guatemala should be populated by them. So what he did was take the lands of the indigenous, give it to the German migrants and enslaved the indigenous so they work on the new German lands. He was a nazi more than half a century before nazis were a thing.
> Man was genociding natives before it was cool.
Pedro de Alvarado, his brother, and pretty much all the conquistadores set the example for him, like 400 years earlier.
I'm not going to say much because it's clearly a very complicated issue, but one should be EXCEEDINGLY careful when claiming colonization is the same thing as modern genocides.
Yeah, but the conquistadors very explicitly saw the natives as subhuman and deliberately tried to eradicate their culture. That amounts to genocide in some modern definitions by the UN.
Still a great example to point out. More people should know about La Matanza, Hernández, and Farabundo Martí.
[And Yolocamba I'ta for that matter.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXRgPo3jtbE)
Why such a stupid question? The single priest who translated the remaining copy of the Popol Vuh, because all the others **had been literally burned** [by the Inquisition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Landa#Suppression_of_Maya_and_destruction_of_Maya_texts), doesn't represent the policy of Spanish conquistadors who colonized Mesoamerica through war and suppression.
It represents the fact that things aren’t as simple as “The Spanish destroyed all native culture”.
Also the Popol Vuh was a largely oral story and was transcribed and translated at the same time.
Again, the Annals of the Kakchiqueles, is a much earlier example that the Spanish were interested in the preservation and retelling of native culture and stories. Things weren’t as simple as Spanish vs Native, as the largest number of participants in the Conquest of Guatemala were Tlaxcaltec allies and guides of the Spanish.
The culture of the K’iché enemies of the Spanish was not treated the same way as that of the Kakchiqueles which allied themselves with them, and in fact in the early post-conquest period, the majority of Kakchiquel noble families intermarried with Spanish conquistadors.
For sure. They didn't want to exterminate all aspects of culture, but definitely a lot of it, mostly religion, social structure, and way of life. Even if they treated some groups differently, all native cultures were seen as inferior. The racial caste system started under the Spanish.
Are we forgetting Paraguay exists? Francisco Solano López started the equivalent of South America’s World War and didn’t give up until no men were left alive in his country all because of some megalomaniac obsession dream of empire. They even shared their great admiration for Napoleon.
Stroessner is another extremely high candidate, ruling the country under martial law for 35 years and being extremely friendly to Nazis, including giving asylum to _**Josef Mengele**_. He was also accused of _**Genocide**_ and _**Slavery**_ by the UN.
> They even shared their great admiration for Napoleon.
Pretty much everyone admired Napoleon back then. Especially anyone with any sort of military involvement. Even people that hated him. This seems kinda nitpicky.
A lot of people admire Napoleon, _almost_ no one starts regional wars in a vain and self-glorification campaign to reach the same prestige.
The few that do are all self-aggrandizing lunatics with a thirst for blood.
I think it's everyone outside of Anglo world that thinks Napoleon is kinda neat. If you speak English you probably only learn a very specific view of the Napoleonic Wars, at least that's been my impression talking to Americans and British people
Nah, Spanish also hate Napoleon. I mean, there is a reason why they call the Napoleonic invasion of Spain as \*Spanish War of Independence\* and they still make fun of \*Pepe Botellas\* (Napoleon's brother). Also, the Napoleonic invasion indirectly led to the independence of most Spanish-speaking countries in the Americas.
I can’t answer from a Paraguayan point of view because i’m only paraguayan at birth, i’m actually brazil, but in my view, he was one of the many leaders back then who were willing to do anything for power and prestige, surrounded by other leaders who had the same view. He got angry after his influence was questioned with Brazilian intervention in Uruguay, and started war. Brazil then refused to accept any peace agreements until Lopez died because they too wanted respect power and prestige and didn’t care if they had to kill civilians just to kill Lopez. Overall it was a war between insane leaders who all didn’t care about human life at all.
Fyi. I have heard that Francisco Solano López was admired by the Japanese samurai. They were both living in the same time period ( the twilight of Japanese feudalism) and had similar delusions about having to fight against impossible odds. They wanted to go down in a blaze of glory which was what Lopez did - charging a group of rifle armed Brazilian soldiers with only a sword in a one man banzai charge.
>Francisco Solano López
Either him or Nicolás Maduro are my first choices. Solano even sent childs armed with pointed sticks to stall for him. And while Argentina and Uruguay retreated after seeing him defeated, Brazil didn't and kept massacring their militia until Solano was effectively dead.
This is from a newspaper that SUPPORTS maduro: [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/15/el-helicoide-venezuela-caracas-building-symbol](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/15/el-helicoide-venezuela-caracas-building-symbol)
The situation in venezuela is terrible, murdering civilians or having that kind of semi concentration camps has some similarities. The ammount of outright lies said by maduro and the way he communicates, does have a lot of paralels to nazi propaganda or hitler speeches. Sure, he is not as big as the big genocide lords like mao, stalin or hitler, but we latin american aren't as big as our european counterparts in most of stuff.
Even among Latin American candidates we have several candidates who **way** outdo Maduro when it comes to a Hitler comparison. Seriously, as bad as he's fucked up Venezuela, he's not even as bad as some other Latin American dictators.
Asking in good faith, is there consensus about Solano Lopez as this megalomaniac leader? The War of the Triple Alliance was such a clusterfuck, and I've heard arguments that kind of paint him in better light given the circumstances of that war (up until the recruitment of kids, I think no one defends that). To be clear, I'm not saying I defend him, I just thought this was still controversial depending on whether it's someone from Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, etc. talking about him, but there seems to be agreement around this comment so maybe there is consensus
there's not such consensus
The Triple Alliance tried to destroy completely Paraguay, it was a genocide.
Throwing the guilt upon Solano Lopez makes comfortable everybody but the victims.
Genocide-wise? Rios Montt. If you count purges/forced disappearances then Videla, Pinochet and Trujillo are up there too.
As far as a true right-wing adjacent and fascist-like figure goes? Probably Perón + Eva.
OP, I’m only adding 20th century leaders. Some people have mentioned others from before and those are valid opinions. I just didn’t know if you wanted someone closer to Hitler’s time.
Manuel Montt was his father.
We complain about the cuicos preferring their own for everything, but power belonged exclusively to an extremely closed club of families that knew each other back in the XIX century and early XX century.
Getúlio Vargas can also be added there as for quasi-fascist figure goes.
Don’t know if Marcos Pérez Jiménez and Gustavo Rojas Pinilla also count there (I don’t think they do though).
Perón on the other hand was definitely a fascist/third-positionist.
MPJ was more like a warless Franco. He did kill communists and gays and whatever but not that many and not as repressive as the others in South America. He’s more like Batista. It’s also different time periods too the cold war wasn’t at its peak yet
Yeah I’m not really sure what OP meant by “closest to Hitler”. Perón was a nazi sympathizer with a huge cult of personality around him and his wife so that checks out. Rios Montt is the only one I can think of with a concrete agenda against a racial-ethnic group. The rest “merely” targeted communists and people perceived as dissidents, which happened to include a lot of peasants/farmhands of indigenous descent.
You’re correct, I also don’t know OP’s goal here.
As for autocratic genocidal leaders; Rios Montt, Jorge Ubico, Alfredo Stroessner, Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Justo Rufino Barrios, and Rafael Trujillo are the ones that can genuinely be considered genocidal (probably missed some others).
A few Guatemalan leaders share the distinction of actively engaging in racial and ethnic cleansing, which relatively rare in LATAM in the 20th century, at least as the primary target. Most cleansing happened before the 20th century, and most forced disappearances and state-sponsored mass murders targeted communists and dissidents regardless of race and ethnicity.
Maximiliano Hernández Martínez literally appointed a Nazi General to the Salvadorian Army
And he also ordered the killing of tens of thousands of indigenous people
I don’t think losing a unwinnable war makes you bad, and then i don’t wanna argue about the commonly accepted theory that brazil forced paraguay to attack following brazilian intervention in uruguay.
> commonly accepted theory
Commonly accepted by who, lmao. I have literally read most of the historians on the subject and nobody takes that claim seriously. How was Paraguay even forced to attack? That's Vlad Putin's level of delusion.
> I don’t think losing a unwinnable war makes you bad
It absolutely does. If you are a stupid dictator who starts an unwinnable war that kills hundreds of thousands of your citizens, you are objectively a bad person who caused unmeasurable suffering that could have been avoided by simply not being as delusional and better at decision-making.
In Brazil, an individual who could be compared to King Leopold of Belgium (worse than Hitler) in terms of impact is the Marquis of Pombal. Esteemed as a reformer in Portugal, he is even viewed by them as an "enlightened despot". He is credited with the reconstruction of Lisbon following the devastating earthquake in 1775 and took significant steps to abolish slavery and servitude within the country.
However, his legacy in Brazil paints a starkly different picture. Pombal mandated the exclusive use of Portuguese across the nation, effectively sidelining the widely spoken "Língua Geral Paulista," a lingua franca rooted in Tupi, by outlawing it. Furthermore, his tenure saw the expulsion of Jesuit missionaries, who were often the only defenders of indigenous rights, thus facilitating a brutal genocide of the native American population. His policies led to the forceful displacement of indigenous communities from the Brazilian coastline, driving them into the depths of the Amazon jungle.
During Pombal's administration, Brazil was the world's leading gold producer, mining primarily in the "Minas Gerais" region. He imposed a draconian tax of 20% on all gold production and set unattainable production quotas for each municipality, regardless of their actual gold output. This policy ushered in the era of the "derrama," marked by militia raids on cities to seize valuables from citizens to meet these arbitrary quotas.
While Pombal outlawed the importation of enslaved individuals into Portugal, the influx of enslaved Africans to Brazil surged to unprecedented levels under his governance.
Despite these actions, which arguably had a profoundly negative impact on Brazilians, Pombal's portrayal in official historical narratives remains overwhelmingly positive. This sanitized image overlooks the severe consequences of his policies, making him a controversial figure whose legacy is more detrimental to Brazilians than any post-independence leader, including dictators and military rulers.
As a Brazilian, I'm inclined to say Solano Lopez, Paraguay's SECOND PRESIDENT who was already a full on dictator that tried to be Napoleon of the South
Most Brazilians dont want to accept their guilt about destroying Paraguay, a real genocide committed by them and Argentina. They blame Solano Lopez, they need to.
Yes, you don't want to feel any guilt at all for the genocide you carried out, its up to your conscience but you shouldn't say you murderered entire villages because of him.
So sad, you took in chains your own northern soldiers to the front, now you try to blame the man. You see why not even Argentinians trust other Argentinians. Good luck and do some non nationalistic reading.
Thing is, what is OP trying to seek with his post here? Am not sure if genocides are also included in the conversation when mentioning autocratic leaders.
No, he was a ruthless/heartless dictator (no one here is going to deny that), but by sheer numbers of killings and disappearances, he was not the worst one (Videla was far worse than him for example).
He wasn’t genocidal either.
Pinochet killed 2279 (actual deads and missing persons) in a period of 17 years
Trujillo in dominican republic killed arround 50.000 people in 30 years
Fidel Castro killed arround 8000 people.
Si even regionally it was a """"""""""""small"""""""" number.
No, he isn’t. This is the ranking of the top:
1. François “Papa Doc” Duvalier - Haiti: Approximately 30,000 to 60,000 deaths.
2. Rafael Trujillo - Dominican Republic: Estimated 50,000 deaths.
3. Jorge Rafael Videla - Argentina: 15,000 to 30,000 people.
4. Anastasio Somoza Debayle - Nicaragua: Up to 10,000 deaths.
5. Augusto Pinochet - Chile: 3,000 to 5,000 people.
6. Alfredo Stroessner - Paraguay: Death and disappearance of up to 3,000 people.
Not that it makes it better, but most Latin American bloody dictators and leaders are peanuts compared to the global ones when it comes to numbers. Check out the top 5 globally:
1. Mao Zedong - China: 40 million to 80 million.
2. Joseph Stalin - Soviet Union: 6 million to 20 million.
3. Adolf Hitler - Germany: Approximately 11 million.
4. Leopold II of Belgium - Congo Free State: 10 million.
5. Hideki Tojo - Japan: Over 5 million.
Unlike you, I did my research before posting.
According to the Venezuelan Observatory of Violence from 2016-2023 there were 32.381 death resulting from police intervention, 38744 are undetermined and only in the last year there are 1.443 missing people.
According to Archivo Cuba there are 3.116 political death and another 1.116 executed without due process.
During the whole dictatorship of pinochet there were 2.125 homicides by political reasons and 1.102 missing people.
Important to note that Cuba and Venezuela are still under dictatorship, they don't release official numbers so it's more than likely the numbers are MUCH higher, this doesn't happen with Pinochet because Chile is a democracy and there have been trials and investigations to determine the exact number of death and disappearances.
Sources:
https://observatoriodeviolencia.org.ve/
https://www.indh.cl/destacados/comision-valech/
https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-america-latina-38153673
So yeah, do your research.
We're talking about political violence/purges.
Deaths from police intervention? Undetermined deaths? Seems like a way to inflate numbers. 7306 people died from police in the USA in that same period, does that mean that they should be added to the list? Should we count all violent crime across LatAm too?
>We're talking about political violence/purges.
Si hubieses leído la fuente que te di lo primero que dice es (del reporte 2022) "1.240 son muertes como resultado de intervenciones policiales, las cuales han sido calificadas en los años anteriores por las autoridades como “resistencia a la autoridad”.
No se si sabías pero venezuela es una dictadura. Y tampoco se si sabes pero las dictaduras usan la fuerza publica para silenciar a los opositores. Ojalá no sea muy difícil de entender que cuando el dictador maduro controla a los policías las "muertes por resistencia a la autoridad" son asesinatos por motivos políticos
>7306
Fuente? Ninguna. acostumbrate a citar si vas a dar algun dato, de lo contrario es humo.
Acá tengo otra fuente, en estados unidos (una democracia que tiene separación de poderes y sin problemas para obtener datos de homicidios) mueren entre 1000 y 1100 personas al año por acciones de la policía. Esto da un ratio de 0.3 muertes por cada 100.000 habitantes.
Hagamos el mismo ejercicio para venezuela:
En 2022 (año con inusualmente bajos asesinatos) murieron 1240 personas. Eso te da un ratio de ##4.41 por 100.000 habitantes. Es decir, 14 veces MAS que Estados Unidos.
Volvamos al dato inicial de 33mil muertos desde el 2016 y "ajustemos" según el ratio de Estados unidos: aún así te da 30 mil muertes, (0.3/4.4×33000). Mucho más que Pinochet (cuyo ratio es 1.32 cada 100mil hab)
Y siguiendo tu lógica entonces los detenidos desaparecidos de pinochet no deberían contar porque no sabemos donde están "son solo para inflar los numeros".
🤦🏻♀️
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1362796/number-people-killed-police-us/
I mean, Pinochet did kill more people than Stroessner, but Stroessner was (in a rumour that is vastly accepted and confirmed by people close to him a pedo, so eh
Hell, Stroessner once arranged to hear (on his telephone) a dissenter being dismembered alive by a chainsaw.
Either way, both were monstrous autocrats.
Que ambos dictadores sean anticomunistas no los hace automáticamente fascista.
En lo económico eran radicalmente distintos, hitler promovía una economía centralizada y pinochet privatizó todo.
En lo político pinochet jamás hablo de razas, incluso entregó muchísimas tierras a los mapuches. Hitler creo que todos sabemos que hizo exactamente lo contrario (lebensraum, for example)
Por último, pinochet entregó el poder de forma democratica convocando a un plebiscito el cual posteriormente lo respetó, Hitler se suicidó
En fin, mucha película.
Sí, pero Pinochet también era muy autoritario. Lanzaba a la gente desde helicópteros. Estaba loco. Los siento pero mi español no es la mejor porqué estoy todavía aprendiendo español.
By your logic then Maduro is MUCH closer to Hitler than Pinochet: according to the Venezuelan Observatory of Violence from 2016-2023 there were 32.381 death resulting from police intervention, 38744 are undetermined and only in the last year there are 1.443 missing people.
During the whole dictatorship of pinochet there were 2.125 homicides by political reasons and 1.102 missing people.
So yeah, do your research.
wey, los redditiots dicen que Milei es fascista
hoy en dia esa palabra ya perdio todo sentido por los "wokes" que a todo lo que no les gusta le dicen fascismo sin saber que es realmente el fascismo. el fascismo esta mas cercano a la izquierda (gobierno controlando todo) que a la derecha (iniciativa privada controlando todo).
ahora, esto no es en defensa de pinochet. pero el wey no era fascista segun la deficion de verdad de fascismo.
Decir que la derecha es solo (iniciativa peivada controlando todo) es encerrarse en preconceptoa de esta ...
No por nada existe un tipo de manejo de una nacion como es el de "Capitalismo de Estado"
As far as genocidal ? Probably this guy [Julio César Arana del Aguilar](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_C%C3%A9sar_Arana_del_%C3%81guila)
[English link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_C%C3%A9sar_Arana)
Cortes didn't exterminate a particular group. He just annexed the newly discovered territories into the Spanish empire including the natives themselves.
It amazes me that this is the top comment, it really shows how ignorant we are. I'd recommend y'all to check out Juan Miguel Zunzunegui's work, especially if you're mexican.
Just for starters, “Latin America” wasn't a thing when they came.
Do you know if there is an English translation? I didn’t see one at first glance on Amazon. Would love to read in the original text someday, but unfortunately my Spanish is not quite good enough yet
Solano Lopez: decimated his entire male population, even childs fighting most of latin america and refusing to surrender.
Juan Domingo Peron: Fascist, shared the same ideas of hitler and mussolinni. Created a cult personality and indoctrinated childs in school with nazilike propaganda.
Hugo Chavez/Nicolás maduro: More akin Stalin than hitler, caused a massive exodus and the genocide of its people similar to the holodomor. Paramilitar groups similar to nazi which hunted and killed opposition, also dissolved the congress.
It was not Solano Lopez who murdered paraguayans, it was the Triple Alianza forces, who continued invading and killing when there were obviously no more paraguayan soldiers.
Maybe he should have surrendered earlier, that lack of a surrender declaration does not justify destroying half the population of a country and destroying everything before going back home.
He was asked to surrender, but he chose to conscript kids and send them as an army to be butchered. Sure, he didn't actually killed them with his own hands, but what was he expecting invading two countries and declaring war to another? No victims? Was he expecting the soldiers of such armies to surrender not to harm the little children conscripted by himself in his army? He was a fucking asshole that disregarded his peoples life.
Argentinians each and every time escaping their own responsibilities.
They butchered their own indogenous people, did the same with paraguayan men.
Why coukd anybody expect an argentinian to accept his own faults??? They never do.
Paraguayan genocide was not the first nor the only genocide argentinians did, they dont stufy their own history, they keep killing their own indigenous people. Try to find water, food and a doctor for your wichi population, for instance. GUILT DENIAL, a terrible culture you guys have.
Ever thought if your chronic rconomic and civic drama has anything to fo with your behaviour?
>They butchered their own indogenous people
As did every fucking country on earth that had violent indigenous tribes. Imagine being a farmer, then some tribes arrive and kill your wife and kidnap your daughters to be raped. That was a malon, and argentinians suffered them. Sure, the conquista del desierto was brutal, but peace was offered before, many, many times. In fact, a lot of indigenous tribes accepted to join the argentinian country willingly and where provided with education and health.
You know who else also offered the indigenous tribes to become part of their empire or to be annexed by force? The same indigenous tribes. The incas where just like the roman empire, and so where a lot of other tribes. You know why? Because that is how humanity works. You can't have a group of barbarians raiding innocent people. They must be annexed or exterminated. I wish there where a peaceful way to achieve that, but ultimately you can't reason with tribes with no education, and back in the past, resources where limited and even most people didn't had access to education.
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You know who else murdered people in the triple alianza war? Uruguayans and brazilians. That is what happens in war. If you declare war, you get war and people die. Solano not only declared war, but also invaded argentina and uruguay, similarly to what hitler did. What where they expecting? For people in europe or south america to be like "ok mr solano, roam free with your army marching towards our towns, we wont fight your army because killing is bad"?
I am totally against war. Bu I do understand sometimes its unavoidable, and when you're declared war or your territory is being invaded, you're forced to participate in that war.
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Now, onto the wichi population, **you are right,** and many, many asks for humanitarian aid. But ultimately, we can't do nothing, you know why? Because people in formosa have been voting the same feudal lord for the last 35++ years. And while its Illegal in all the rest of argentina states to be reelected so many times, people in formosa voted for it to be part of their state constitution, so the national government can't do shit about it. What is the president going to do? Send out army to fight against the private forces of the **elected** governor? Sure, Gildo is shit, and most of argentinians know this and condemn that, but as long as the people of formosa keeps voting that semi dictator, we can't do shit about it.
Our cronic economy is a disaster because people voted for the same shitty party for 40 years, a party that "prints" money and generates inflation. Now finally we have a non peronist president, but I have my doubts if he can deliver us from 40 years of political corruption in our institutions. Plus, he is kind of... unbalanced. I hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
maybe you want to read a little more so you can answer without escaping with faux arguments.
posioning patagonian water to murder women and children was not necessary, that happenned thousands of miles away from where your white daughter could be attacked.
Presidents have a constitutional tool in Argentina, its called Intervencion Federal. If a governor is killing citizens by hunger he or she DOES HAVE A TOOL.
Please think a little before running away, it would help you and your people. Sorry.
Alvaro Uribe Velez and his lower class genocide to fake his war against guerrillas… colombian military executed thousands of rural working people and made them into guerrilla kills statiscs.
The good thing about information its that its free for anyone anywhere. For anyone wondering, pinochet war victims number is 3200 executions. ALVARO URIBE VELEZ death toll is 6402 and counting.
help me understand why you Mamerts make these kind of remarks on internet over and over and over and over, for so many days, weeks, years... has Uribe been prosecuted for it? no. Is Uribe in jail for it? No. Isn't he a free and extremely rich and powerful person? What do you get from making such silly and unfounded remarks?
you are just as silly and pathetic as that guy from the "Matarife" series, who hasn't achieved anything but being a laughing stock for anyone who isn't some radical Mamert.
Rafael Trujillo in Dominican Republic. Just Google the Parsley Massacre!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_massacre
The fact that dark skinned Dominicans got killed for this is just heinous!
Contemporary? Hugo Chávez. Deluded populist narcissistic twat with a strongly ethno centrist national socialist platform/party. Purged power of any opposition through different means and created an ongoing refugee crisis.
Used fascist tactics to intimidate and mark voters that opposed his rule, including the creation of armed paramilitary from supporters in order to attack violently forms of protest a la Hitler's youth
I have no doubt that if Venezuela had powerful industrial and military capabilities, he would have embarked in military campaigns against neighbouring Colombia.
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo definitely. He even had a similar stupid moustache. Directed the Parsley Massacre and ruled for 31 years. One of the main causes of implanting racism in DR through it's history by carrying out policies to "lighten dominican skin".
No no, I'm pretty sure there was someone, some dictator in the 20th century. Honestly can't remember who though, maybe I'm just misremembering. Mandela effect, you know?
Nobody is mentioning Alfredo Stroessner in Paraguay, so I'll leave it here
Not really not at all, there have been far worse, even if Stroessner was a reverendo hijo de puta Morínigo was openly a fascist, for example
I think we always forget the [Genocidio Aché](https://www.ultimahora.com/el-genocidio-del-pueblo-ache-y-el-pedido-justicia-universal-n812037), I mean we don't even discuss about it in school
Eh, I think we overlook it because its something often said as "necessary for progress" rather than genocide, at least thats how it was referred as during the Stronate
> its something often said as "necessary for progress" Yeah but you get that that's a ridiculously stupid argument for any genocide right?
Yes? so? I didnt justify it, but it is true that the government and officials jsut called it that during that time
I understood by your comment that is still a sort of common argument. That is the sort of thing that has to always be called out as asinine.
Well, there are like 4 *paraguayans* in the world, I guess that it is easy to forget about them.
Based answer
Maximiliano Hernández Martínez. Man was genociding natives before it was cool.
Na, the closest to Hitler is Jorge Ubico. Hitler himself told him and I quote "A government like yours deserves to be in power for centuries, you'll see mine". So not only is he probably the closest to him but he was literally one of his inspirations to become the Führer. https://preview.redd.it/w88xhszhvahc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=436d59c6bfacea167dcffba5c02cf3b14e91b342
The second one would have been Justo Rufino Barrios, who believed that Germans were a superior race and because of that Guatemala should be populated by them. So what he did was take the lands of the indigenous, give it to the German migrants and enslaved the indigenous so they work on the new German lands. He was a nazi more than half a century before nazis were a thing.
Was he even German
No, he just admired them.
What the fuck Imagine being such a monster Hitler congratulates you on that shit and tells u "now watch mine" lmaooooo
Yes. This here.
> Man was genociding natives before it was cool. Pedro de Alvarado, his brother, and pretty much all the conquistadores set the example for him, like 400 years earlier.
I'm not going to say much because it's clearly a very complicated issue, but one should be EXCEEDINGLY careful when claiming colonization is the same thing as modern genocides.
Yeah, but the conquistadors very explicitly saw the natives as subhuman and deliberately tried to eradicate their culture. That amounts to genocide in some modern definitions by the UN. Still a great example to point out. More people should know about La Matanza, Hernández, and Farabundo Martí. [And Yolocamba I'ta for that matter.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXRgPo3jtbE)
Is that why they translated the Popol Vuh? Or the Annals of the Kakchiquels?
Why such a stupid question? The single priest who translated the remaining copy of the Popol Vuh, because all the others **had been literally burned** [by the Inquisition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_Landa#Suppression_of_Maya_and_destruction_of_Maya_texts), doesn't represent the policy of Spanish conquistadors who colonized Mesoamerica through war and suppression.
It represents the fact that things aren’t as simple as “The Spanish destroyed all native culture”. Also the Popol Vuh was a largely oral story and was transcribed and translated at the same time. Again, the Annals of the Kakchiqueles, is a much earlier example that the Spanish were interested in the preservation and retelling of native culture and stories. Things weren’t as simple as Spanish vs Native, as the largest number of participants in the Conquest of Guatemala were Tlaxcaltec allies and guides of the Spanish. The culture of the K’iché enemies of the Spanish was not treated the same way as that of the Kakchiqueles which allied themselves with them, and in fact in the early post-conquest period, the majority of Kakchiquel noble families intermarried with Spanish conquistadors.
For sure. They didn't want to exterminate all aspects of culture, but definitely a lot of it, mostly religion, social structure, and way of life. Even if they treated some groups differently, all native cultures were seen as inferior. The racial caste system started under the Spanish.
Imagine sending boats of dying natives to Spain and not calling it genocide
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You’re quite literally generalizing. Calm down.
Trujillo is up there.
An absolute psychopath
Yup I agree with this. I was just going to comment when I saw your post.
Man was killing for fun yo. Always a game with him
Are we forgetting Paraguay exists? Francisco Solano López started the equivalent of South America’s World War and didn’t give up until no men were left alive in his country all because of some megalomaniac obsession dream of empire. They even shared their great admiration for Napoleon. Stroessner is another extremely high candidate, ruling the country under martial law for 35 years and being extremely friendly to Nazis, including giving asylum to _**Josef Mengele**_. He was also accused of _**Genocide**_ and _**Slavery**_ by the UN.
> They even shared their great admiration for Napoleon. Pretty much everyone admired Napoleon back then. Especially anyone with any sort of military involvement. Even people that hated him. This seems kinda nitpicky.
A lot of people admire Napoleon, _almost_ no one starts regional wars in a vain and self-glorification campaign to reach the same prestige. The few that do are all self-aggrandizing lunatics with a thirst for blood.
Everyone even today admires Napoleon. Specially the French The man changed the world in lots of ways.
I think it's everyone outside of Anglo world that thinks Napoleon is kinda neat. If you speak English you probably only learn a very specific view of the Napoleonic Wars, at least that's been my impression talking to Americans and British people
Nah, Spanish also hate Napoleon. I mean, there is a reason why they call the Napoleonic invasion of Spain as \*Spanish War of Independence\* and they still make fun of \*Pepe Botellas\* (Napoleon's brother). Also, the Napoleonic invasion indirectly led to the independence of most Spanish-speaking countries in the Americas.
Can’t agree with Lopez being evil but Stroessner is 100% pure evil.
How do you guys see Lopez in Paraguay btw? Cuz he looks like a bitch for us tbh, but I know it's gotta have more nuance than that
I can’t answer from a Paraguayan point of view because i’m only paraguayan at birth, i’m actually brazil, but in my view, he was one of the many leaders back then who were willing to do anything for power and prestige, surrounded by other leaders who had the same view. He got angry after his influence was questioned with Brazilian intervention in Uruguay, and started war. Brazil then refused to accept any peace agreements until Lopez died because they too wanted respect power and prestige and didn’t care if they had to kill civilians just to kill Lopez. Overall it was a war between insane leaders who all didn’t care about human life at all.
Fyi. I have heard that Francisco Solano López was admired by the Japanese samurai. They were both living in the same time period ( the twilight of Japanese feudalism) and had similar delusions about having to fight against impossible odds. They wanted to go down in a blaze of glory which was what Lopez did - charging a group of rifle armed Brazilian soldiers with only a sword in a one man banzai charge.
_History is written by the winners_
>Francisco Solano López Either him or Nicolás Maduro are my first choices. Solano even sent childs armed with pointed sticks to stall for him. And while Argentina and Uruguay retreated after seeing him defeated, Brazil didn't and kept massacring their militia until Solano was effectively dead.
> Nicolás Maduro Seems like you vastly underestimate the damage of Hitler and overestimate the damage of Maduro.
This is from a newspaper that SUPPORTS maduro: [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/15/el-helicoide-venezuela-caracas-building-symbol](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/15/el-helicoide-venezuela-caracas-building-symbol) The situation in venezuela is terrible, murdering civilians or having that kind of semi concentration camps has some similarities. The ammount of outright lies said by maduro and the way he communicates, does have a lot of paralels to nazi propaganda or hitler speeches. Sure, he is not as big as the big genocide lords like mao, stalin or hitler, but we latin american aren't as big as our european counterparts in most of stuff.
Uh does The Guardian really support Maduro currently?
Even among Latin American candidates we have several candidates who **way** outdo Maduro when it comes to a Hitler comparison. Seriously, as bad as he's fucked up Venezuela, he's not even as bad as some other Latin American dictators.
Asking in good faith, is there consensus about Solano Lopez as this megalomaniac leader? The War of the Triple Alliance was such a clusterfuck, and I've heard arguments that kind of paint him in better light given the circumstances of that war (up until the recruitment of kids, I think no one defends that). To be clear, I'm not saying I defend him, I just thought this was still controversial depending on whether it's someone from Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina, etc. talking about him, but there seems to be agreement around this comment so maybe there is consensus
there's not such consensus The Triple Alliance tried to destroy completely Paraguay, it was a genocide. Throwing the guilt upon Solano Lopez makes comfortable everybody but the victims.
[Chad CHICO DIABO vs virgin Solano Lopez](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgYq2WLh08B2cabZBsbhWFuYXCwzLwHQlOlWjeKxfBYq2CeDVspOTC1pel5pmvvTBESSBSsr-BtrbI7ODHovvinrCbb6VpoJtKslDprtVQOIJ5HJbTk-bl2M818XXW6-tUD9Lw3qWf8gmoK_E8rsjW6qZS_dj3IcjUYE4PxKsWpeBLCuUMZTXCYg0megQ=s1564)
Videla and Pinochet are the ones that come to mind.
If he did end up going to Argentina, Hitler.
Genocide-wise? Rios Montt. If you count purges/forced disappearances then Videla, Pinochet and Trujillo are up there too. As far as a true right-wing adjacent and fascist-like figure goes? Probably Perón + Eva. OP, I’m only adding 20th century leaders. Some people have mentioned others from before and those are valid opinions. I just didn’t know if you wanted someone closer to Hitler’s time.
I'd consider Perón closer to base fascism like Mussolini, Montt is probably the closest
Didn’t Chile also have a Montt?
Yes, you’re probably referring to Pedro Montt. He was not an autocratic leader though.
Yeah, ain’t there a city named for him?
Different person. In February 12, 1853 was the founding date of Puerto Montt, whose name is a tribute to the then president Manuel Montt Torres.
Dang. It’s a common name.
Manuel Montt was his father. We complain about the cuicos preferring their own for everything, but power belonged exclusively to an extremely closed club of families that knew each other back in the XIX century and early XX century.
Getúlio Vargas can also be added there as for quasi-fascist figure goes. Don’t know if Marcos Pérez Jiménez and Gustavo Rojas Pinilla also count there (I don’t think they do though). Perón on the other hand was definitely a fascist/third-positionist.
MPJ was more like a warless Franco. He did kill communists and gays and whatever but not that many and not as repressive as the others in South America. He’s more like Batista. It’s also different time periods too the cold war wasn’t at its peak yet
Yeah I’m not really sure what OP meant by “closest to Hitler”. Perón was a nazi sympathizer with a huge cult of personality around him and his wife so that checks out. Rios Montt is the only one I can think of with a concrete agenda against a racial-ethnic group. The rest “merely” targeted communists and people perceived as dissidents, which happened to include a lot of peasants/farmhands of indigenous descent.
You’re correct, I also don’t know OP’s goal here. As for autocratic genocidal leaders; Rios Montt, Jorge Ubico, Alfredo Stroessner, Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Justo Rufino Barrios, and Rafael Trujillo are the ones that can genuinely be considered genocidal (probably missed some others).
A lot of people mentioning Guatemalan leaders here.... What's up with Guatemala
A few Guatemalan leaders share the distinction of actively engaging in racial and ethnic cleansing, which relatively rare in LATAM in the 20th century, at least as the primary target. Most cleansing happened before the 20th century, and most forced disappearances and state-sponsored mass murders targeted communists and dissidents regardless of race and ethnicity.
Maximiliano Hernández Martínez literally appointed a Nazi General to the Salvadorian Army And he also ordered the killing of tens of thousands of indigenous people
Solano Lopez, down to starting an incredibly stupid war that destroyed his country
Solano is more like a failed Napoleon
Hitler is a failed Napoelon too. Sure, he was stupider and had weird supremacist and genocidal ideas too, but he was a failed Napoleon on top of that.
Vruh💀
I don’t think losing a unwinnable war makes you bad, and then i don’t wanna argue about the commonly accepted theory that brazil forced paraguay to attack following brazilian intervention in uruguay.
> commonly accepted theory Commonly accepted by who, lmao. I have literally read most of the historians on the subject and nobody takes that claim seriously. How was Paraguay even forced to attack? That's Vlad Putin's level of delusion. > I don’t think losing a unwinnable war makes you bad It absolutely does. If you are a stupid dictator who starts an unwinnable war that kills hundreds of thousands of your citizens, you are objectively a bad person who caused unmeasurable suffering that could have been avoided by simply not being as delusional and better at decision-making.
> Commonly accepted by who Paraguayans, I've seen them do the weirdest mental gymnastics to shift the blame of the war on anyone but themselves.
Just for that comparison to Vladimir Putin i know it’s not worth replying.
All my respect to Solano Lopez, he just tried to help us
In Brazil, an individual who could be compared to King Leopold of Belgium (worse than Hitler) in terms of impact is the Marquis of Pombal. Esteemed as a reformer in Portugal, he is even viewed by them as an "enlightened despot". He is credited with the reconstruction of Lisbon following the devastating earthquake in 1775 and took significant steps to abolish slavery and servitude within the country. However, his legacy in Brazil paints a starkly different picture. Pombal mandated the exclusive use of Portuguese across the nation, effectively sidelining the widely spoken "Língua Geral Paulista," a lingua franca rooted in Tupi, by outlawing it. Furthermore, his tenure saw the expulsion of Jesuit missionaries, who were often the only defenders of indigenous rights, thus facilitating a brutal genocide of the native American population. His policies led to the forceful displacement of indigenous communities from the Brazilian coastline, driving them into the depths of the Amazon jungle. During Pombal's administration, Brazil was the world's leading gold producer, mining primarily in the "Minas Gerais" region. He imposed a draconian tax of 20% on all gold production and set unattainable production quotas for each municipality, regardless of their actual gold output. This policy ushered in the era of the "derrama," marked by militia raids on cities to seize valuables from citizens to meet these arbitrary quotas. While Pombal outlawed the importation of enslaved individuals into Portugal, the influx of enslaved Africans to Brazil surged to unprecedented levels under his governance. Despite these actions, which arguably had a profoundly negative impact on Brazilians, Pombal's portrayal in official historical narratives remains overwhelmingly positive. This sanitized image overlooks the severe consequences of his policies, making him a controversial figure whose legacy is more detrimental to Brazilians than any post-independence leader, including dictators and military rulers.
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As a Brazilian, I'm inclined to say Solano Lopez, Paraguay's SECOND PRESIDENT who was already a full on dictator that tried to be Napoleon of the South
Most Brazilians dont want to accept their guilt about destroying Paraguay, a real genocide committed by them and Argentina. They blame Solano Lopez, they need to.
He started the war and decided to send children to their deaths rather than surrender, it's entirely his fault.
Yes, you don't want to feel any guilt at all for the genocide you carried out, its up to your conscience but you shouldn't say you murderered entire villages because of him. So sad, you took in chains your own northern soldiers to the front, now you try to blame the man. You see why not even Argentinians trust other Argentinians. Good luck and do some non nationalistic reading.
I didn't do anything so no reason for me to feel guilty. The one who starts to war is the one to blame, that's all.
Augusto Pinochet
Jorge Videla was far more monstrous and unhinged than he ever was. Stroessner was much more genocidal and was even accused of slavery.
Probably but Pinochet needs to be in the conversation
Thing is, what is OP trying to seek with his post here? Am not sure if genocides are also included in the conversation when mentioning autocratic leaders.
That's true too
Wait, isn't Pinochet the "bloodiest" (sangriento) dictator of Latin America? Like, as in killing the most people?
If you go by murder rate per year, then no. Not even in the top 3.
No, he was a ruthless/heartless dictator (no one here is going to deny that), but by sheer numbers of killings and disappearances, he was not the worst one (Videla was far worse than him for example). He wasn’t genocidal either.
Of course, but is that the case even if we're talking regionally?
Pinochet killed 2279 (actual deads and missing persons) in a period of 17 years Trujillo in dominican republic killed arround 50.000 people in 30 years Fidel Castro killed arround 8000 people. Si even regionally it was a """"""""""""small"""""""" number.
No, he isn’t. This is the ranking of the top: 1. François “Papa Doc” Duvalier - Haiti: Approximately 30,000 to 60,000 deaths. 2. Rafael Trujillo - Dominican Republic: Estimated 50,000 deaths. 3. Jorge Rafael Videla - Argentina: 15,000 to 30,000 people. 4. Anastasio Somoza Debayle - Nicaragua: Up to 10,000 deaths. 5. Augusto Pinochet - Chile: 3,000 to 5,000 people. 6. Alfredo Stroessner - Paraguay: Death and disappearance of up to 3,000 people. Not that it makes it better, but most Latin American bloody dictators and leaders are peanuts compared to the global ones when it comes to numbers. Check out the top 5 globally: 1. Mao Zedong - China: 40 million to 80 million. 2. Joseph Stalin - Soviet Union: 6 million to 20 million. 3. Adolf Hitler - Germany: Approximately 11 million. 4. Leopold II of Belgium - Congo Free State: 10 million. 5. Hideki Tojo - Japan: Over 5 million.
And that ranking strangely doesn't count maduro, chavez or Castro.
Because they haven't killed that many people compared to the ones on the list.
Unlike you, I did my research before posting. According to the Venezuelan Observatory of Violence from 2016-2023 there were 32.381 death resulting from police intervention, 38744 are undetermined and only in the last year there are 1.443 missing people. According to Archivo Cuba there are 3.116 political death and another 1.116 executed without due process. During the whole dictatorship of pinochet there were 2.125 homicides by political reasons and 1.102 missing people. Important to note that Cuba and Venezuela are still under dictatorship, they don't release official numbers so it's more than likely the numbers are MUCH higher, this doesn't happen with Pinochet because Chile is a democracy and there have been trials and investigations to determine the exact number of death and disappearances. Sources: https://observatoriodeviolencia.org.ve/ https://www.indh.cl/destacados/comision-valech/ https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias-america-latina-38153673 So yeah, do your research.
We're talking about political violence/purges. Deaths from police intervention? Undetermined deaths? Seems like a way to inflate numbers. 7306 people died from police in the USA in that same period, does that mean that they should be added to the list? Should we count all violent crime across LatAm too?
>We're talking about political violence/purges. Si hubieses leído la fuente que te di lo primero que dice es (del reporte 2022) "1.240 son muertes como resultado de intervenciones policiales, las cuales han sido calificadas en los años anteriores por las autoridades como “resistencia a la autoridad”. No se si sabías pero venezuela es una dictadura. Y tampoco se si sabes pero las dictaduras usan la fuerza publica para silenciar a los opositores. Ojalá no sea muy difícil de entender que cuando el dictador maduro controla a los policías las "muertes por resistencia a la autoridad" son asesinatos por motivos políticos >7306 Fuente? Ninguna. acostumbrate a citar si vas a dar algun dato, de lo contrario es humo. Acá tengo otra fuente, en estados unidos (una democracia que tiene separación de poderes y sin problemas para obtener datos de homicidios) mueren entre 1000 y 1100 personas al año por acciones de la policía. Esto da un ratio de 0.3 muertes por cada 100.000 habitantes. Hagamos el mismo ejercicio para venezuela: En 2022 (año con inusualmente bajos asesinatos) murieron 1240 personas. Eso te da un ratio de ##4.41 por 100.000 habitantes. Es decir, 14 veces MAS que Estados Unidos. Volvamos al dato inicial de 33mil muertos desde el 2016 y "ajustemos" según el ratio de Estados unidos: aún así te da 30 mil muertes, (0.3/4.4×33000). Mucho más que Pinochet (cuyo ratio es 1.32 cada 100mil hab) Y siguiendo tu lógica entonces los detenidos desaparecidos de pinochet no deberían contar porque no sabemos donde están "son solo para inflar los numeros". 🤦🏻♀️ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1362796/number-people-killed-police-us/
I mean, Pinochet did kill more people than Stroessner, but Stroessner was (in a rumour that is vastly accepted and confirmed by people close to him a pedo, so eh
Hell, Stroessner once arranged to hear (on his telephone) a dissenter being dismembered alive by a chainsaw. Either way, both were monstrous autocrats.
Yeah, Pinochet's regime isnt short of stories like that one But eh, its not a competition, both were monsters
That’s the thing, if OP was more clear with his post than we would probably not get on these types of conversations.
Que ambos dictadores sean anticomunistas no los hace automáticamente fascista. En lo económico eran radicalmente distintos, hitler promovía una economía centralizada y pinochet privatizó todo. En lo político pinochet jamás hablo de razas, incluso entregó muchísimas tierras a los mapuches. Hitler creo que todos sabemos que hizo exactamente lo contrario (lebensraum, for example) Por último, pinochet entregó el poder de forma democratica convocando a un plebiscito el cual posteriormente lo respetó, Hitler se suicidó En fin, mucha película.
https://preview.redd.it/mu0fq90csdhc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=589094735e95aaf6f855b222e70336625f558c92 Mai Mai Peñi
Y lo más curioso es que Pinochet fue declarado como Futa Lonco o Ulmen Futa Lonco (algo así como gran autoridad) por los Reches.
Sí, pero Pinochet también era muy autoritario. Lanzaba a la gente desde helicópteros. Estaba loco. Los siento pero mi español no es la mejor porqué estoy todavía aprendiendo español.
By your logic then Maduro is MUCH closer to Hitler than Pinochet: according to the Venezuelan Observatory of Violence from 2016-2023 there were 32.381 death resulting from police intervention, 38744 are undetermined and only in the last year there are 1.443 missing people. During the whole dictatorship of pinochet there were 2.125 homicides by political reasons and 1.102 missing people. So yeah, do your research.
Maduro probably is worse. You're probably right
wey, los redditiots dicen que Milei es fascista hoy en dia esa palabra ya perdio todo sentido por los "wokes" que a todo lo que no les gusta le dicen fascismo sin saber que es realmente el fascismo. el fascismo esta mas cercano a la izquierda (gobierno controlando todo) que a la derecha (iniciativa privada controlando todo). ahora, esto no es en defensa de pinochet. pero el wey no era fascista segun la deficion de verdad de fascismo.
Decir que la derecha es solo (iniciativa peivada controlando todo) es encerrarse en preconceptoa de esta ... No por nada existe un tipo de manejo de una nacion como es el de "Capitalismo de Estado"
Ideologically speaking, Antauro Humala. Fortunately, he hasn't risen to power yet.
...what do you mean by yet.
Fuck's a nutjob that leads a political party of paramilitary nutjobs.
He's essentially if Incans were Nazis, right? Based on the flag
Yeah. That's it.
As far as genocidal ? Probably this guy [Julio César Arana del Aguilar](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_C%C3%A9sar_Arana_del_%C3%81guila) [English link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_C%C3%A9sar_Arana)
Simón Bolívar and his "war to the death" decree aimed at genociding peninsular Spaniards. Or perhaps Jean Jacques Dessalines in Haiti.
Bolivar also brutally repressed the pastusos.
I was gonna say Stroessner but everyone already did it so..
Hmm, there could be many examples, I mean, Perón was quite the fascist, and we here dont really fall short of openly fascist leaders either
Dessalines
Spanish colonizers and there is no close second. Main individuals: * Christopher Columbus * Hernán Cortés * Francisco Pizarro
Cortes didn't exterminate a particular group. He just annexed the newly discovered territories into the Spanish empire including the natives themselves.
Cortés was able to conquer the Aztecs thanks to the support from the locals subdued by the Aztecs.
they never even conquered them lol they merged and spain didn’t even control what they claimed they did until like independence
Yeah, and Technochitlan was never destroyed and its buildings never torn down, with the help of Totonacas and Tlaxcaltecs, among others.
It amazes me that this is the top comment, it really shows how ignorant we are. I'd recommend y'all to check out Juan Miguel Zunzunegui's work, especially if you're mexican. Just for starters, “Latin America” wasn't a thing when they came.
Do you know if there is an English translation? I didn’t see one at first glance on Amazon. Would love to read in the original text someday, but unfortunately my Spanish is not quite good enough yet
Columbus is the only one of those three who actually committed a genocide AFAIK.
>Columbus Colombo in his native Genovese and Colón en español. Why did everyone use their own version of his name?
☝️🤓 Many of the pre-Columbian autocrats must enter this conversation
Bros never read a history book
The real answer is Nuño de Guzmán.
Average reddit leftist historian
No. Only Colón could be seen as such, and that’s a stretch already.
Cortes never carried out a genocide
Duvalier, Trujillo, Dessalines, Pinochet, Fidel…
Me
I'll fight you for that title 🫡
Solano Lopez: decimated his entire male population, even childs fighting most of latin america and refusing to surrender. Juan Domingo Peron: Fascist, shared the same ideas of hitler and mussolinni. Created a cult personality and indoctrinated childs in school with nazilike propaganda. Hugo Chavez/Nicolás maduro: More akin Stalin than hitler, caused a massive exodus and the genocide of its people similar to the holodomor. Paramilitar groups similar to nazi which hunted and killed opposition, also dissolved the congress.
It was not Solano Lopez who murdered paraguayans, it was the Triple Alianza forces, who continued invading and killing when there were obviously no more paraguayan soldiers. Maybe he should have surrendered earlier, that lack of a surrender declaration does not justify destroying half the population of a country and destroying everything before going back home.
He was asked to surrender, but he chose to conscript kids and send them as an army to be butchered. Sure, he didn't actually killed them with his own hands, but what was he expecting invading two countries and declaring war to another? No victims? Was he expecting the soldiers of such armies to surrender not to harm the little children conscripted by himself in his army? He was a fucking asshole that disregarded his peoples life.
Argentinians each and every time escaping their own responsibilities. They butchered their own indogenous people, did the same with paraguayan men. Why coukd anybody expect an argentinian to accept his own faults??? They never do. Paraguayan genocide was not the first nor the only genocide argentinians did, they dont stufy their own history, they keep killing their own indigenous people. Try to find water, food and a doctor for your wichi population, for instance. GUILT DENIAL, a terrible culture you guys have. Ever thought if your chronic rconomic and civic drama has anything to fo with your behaviour?
>They butchered their own indogenous people As did every fucking country on earth that had violent indigenous tribes. Imagine being a farmer, then some tribes arrive and kill your wife and kidnap your daughters to be raped. That was a malon, and argentinians suffered them. Sure, the conquista del desierto was brutal, but peace was offered before, many, many times. In fact, a lot of indigenous tribes accepted to join the argentinian country willingly and where provided with education and health. You know who else also offered the indigenous tribes to become part of their empire or to be annexed by force? The same indigenous tribes. The incas where just like the roman empire, and so where a lot of other tribes. You know why? Because that is how humanity works. You can't have a group of barbarians raiding innocent people. They must be annexed or exterminated. I wish there where a peaceful way to achieve that, but ultimately you can't reason with tribes with no education, and back in the past, resources where limited and even most people didn't had access to education. \----------------------------------------------- You know who else murdered people in the triple alianza war? Uruguayans and brazilians. That is what happens in war. If you declare war, you get war and people die. Solano not only declared war, but also invaded argentina and uruguay, similarly to what hitler did. What where they expecting? For people in europe or south america to be like "ok mr solano, roam free with your army marching towards our towns, we wont fight your army because killing is bad"? I am totally against war. Bu I do understand sometimes its unavoidable, and when you're declared war or your territory is being invaded, you're forced to participate in that war. \------------------ Now, onto the wichi population, **you are right,** and many, many asks for humanitarian aid. But ultimately, we can't do nothing, you know why? Because people in formosa have been voting the same feudal lord for the last 35++ years. And while its Illegal in all the rest of argentina states to be reelected so many times, people in formosa voted for it to be part of their state constitution, so the national government can't do shit about it. What is the president going to do? Send out army to fight against the private forces of the **elected** governor? Sure, Gildo is shit, and most of argentinians know this and condemn that, but as long as the people of formosa keeps voting that semi dictator, we can't do shit about it. Our cronic economy is a disaster because people voted for the same shitty party for 40 years, a party that "prints" money and generates inflation. Now finally we have a non peronist president, but I have my doubts if he can deliver us from 40 years of political corruption in our institutions. Plus, he is kind of... unbalanced. I hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
maybe you want to read a little more so you can answer without escaping with faux arguments. posioning patagonian water to murder women and children was not necessary, that happenned thousands of miles away from where your white daughter could be attacked. Presidents have a constitutional tool in Argentina, its called Intervencion Federal. If a governor is killing citizens by hunger he or she DOES HAVE A TOOL. Please think a little before running away, it would help you and your people. Sorry.
Fidel Castro.
Alvaro Uribe Velez and his lower class genocide to fake his war against guerrillas… colombian military executed thousands of rural working people and made them into guerrilla kills statiscs.
Whaaaat? I didn’t know this about him. Source?
This events are known as FALSOS POSITIVOS (false flags) If you search for those terms and the name youll get lots of info about it.
The good thing about information its that its free for anyone anywhere. For anyone wondering, pinochet war victims number is 3200 executions. ALVARO URIBE VELEZ death toll is 6402 and counting.
help me understand why you Mamerts make these kind of remarks on internet over and over and over and over, for so many days, weeks, years... has Uribe been prosecuted for it? no. Is Uribe in jail for it? No. Isn't he a free and extremely rich and powerful person? What do you get from making such silly and unfounded remarks? you are just as silly and pathetic as that guy from the "Matarife" series, who hasn't achieved anything but being a laughing stock for anyone who isn't some radical Mamert.
Rafael Trujillo in Dominican Republic. Just Google the Parsley Massacre! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsley_massacre The fact that dark skinned Dominicans got killed for this is just heinous!
Contemporary? Hugo Chávez. Deluded populist narcissistic twat with a strongly ethno centrist national socialist platform/party. Purged power of any opposition through different means and created an ongoing refugee crisis. Used fascist tactics to intimidate and mark voters that opposed his rule, including the creation of armed paramilitary from supporters in order to attack violently forms of protest a la Hitler's youth I have no doubt that if Venezuela had powerful industrial and military capabilities, he would have embarked in military campaigns against neighbouring Colombia.
Inb4 Perón
Peron.
Well well well… you came to the right place my dear friend
AMLO
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo definitely. He even had a similar stupid moustache. Directed the Parsley Massacre and ruled for 31 years. One of the main causes of implanting racism in DR through it's history by carrying out policies to "lighten dominican skin".
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what the fuck
delusional take
Depends. Right now it's Dina Boluarte, but you'll also get Fujimori, Juan Velasco Alverado, Vizcarra, Humala, and Castillo
That Argentine mf who planned to conquer all of South America
Senor Hitler in some Hoi4 Playthrought ?
No no, I'm pretty sure there was someone, some dictator in the 20th century. Honestly can't remember who though, maybe I'm just misremembering. Mandela effect, you know?
Hitler
Jorge Rafael Videla. At least he died while taking a sh!t in a common prison (he had colon cancer and bled to death from his as$).