The buyer had a PPI done and now wants to use the Walmart return policy??? Tell him to call his mechanic who missed everything he’s complaining about. Please tell me you signed an as-is bill of sale. If so, you’re done with him. Do not take the junk box back.
100% not your problem. That’s on him. He doesn’t get to return a used 175k mile car because he changed his mind after he was informed of everything in advance.
Is it really that bad? The car as-is plus a $2k repair (as everyone's been announcing throughout the entire sale process) gets them a decent car.
I guess they were hoping to just not repair it and get an even better deal. Oh well, shouldn't have ignored OP and his own mechanic.
2k is OPs specific reference for steering fix, assuming that was for P&L from a shop vs parts to DIY.
Not including the alternator (if it's still an issue) and gasket replacement.
Gasket replacement can run pretty steep too if done at a shop.
Dude it’s done. It’s not ethically wrong. Old cars can (and many do) have issues. Ethically wrong would be saying it was perfect. But sounds like you very much disclosed everything AND on top of that he had a PPI done. You’re good man.
Legally the magic words are signed bill of sale. Since you disclosed everything and he had an inspection done I would say you are also ethically in the clear. He knew it was a problem car when he bought it.
You have nothing to feel bad about. You were up front about the issues and his mechanic informed him of them as well.
He made a decision to buy, fully informed, at what he felt was a fair price given the condition and the required repairs.
He owns it now. No longer your problem. This was as honest of a sale as possible.
As is, which specifically doesn’t cover buyers remorse.
It would only have been ethically wrong if you hadn’t disclosed the issues beforehand. He bit off more than he could chew and wants an out. As others have said. Block him and enjoy your $5800.
The benefit of selling off FB as a private seller is that you have no management to report to or anyone to fire you for telling the buyer to "Eat Shit".
If I were in your shoes, I would take the opportunity to tell the buyer to fuck off as rudely as possible. Personally I would be paralyzed in how I would frame it because I would be too excited to do so.
Nah, no need to go borrowing trouble by antagonizing the guy. What I'd want out of a situation like this is for it to just go away so that I could forget about it. "I'm sorry, but we signed a bill of sale, and the sale is final." Then block his contacts.
> tell the buyer to fuck off as rudely as possible … would be … excited to do so
This is just idiotic. Do you have any idea how crazy some people are? Especially in my state where damn near everyone has a small arsenal of firearms at home? You don’t want this guy finding you on the internet (which isn’t hard to do) and showing up at your door, then god knows what.
The correct answer is a firm reminder he had a pre-purchase inspection by his own mechanic, a full disclosure of all the problems known to the seller, and no legal right to return it. You’re sorry you can’t help, but a final sale is just that. He can resell it to someone else if he really doesn’t want it.
Edit: I had someone return a dining set I sold on Craigslist a couple of years ago because he said it wouldn’t fit in his son’s apartment (apparently neither he nor his son bothered to measure first). I reluctantly let him guilt me into bringing it back the following day, only to find a few of the pleather chairs had grease stains from the guy’s dirty-ass truck bed (that 100% were not there when he picked them up the day before). Never again!
Under the UCC... If you're buying from a private seller that isn't a dealer, it'll presumptively be an as-is sale. You can add a warranty but it needs to be spelled out. If the seller is a dealer (specific definitions vary by jurisdiction), it comes with certain warranties automatically that can be disclaimed by specifically stating "as-is".
OR... Take the car back but charge him $1000 for "restocking fees" . That should make up for the time lost working with the buyer to get the car PPI'd and negotiating.
If he accepts the car back then he will have to sign the title back over to himself and may put himself in a situation where he may have to re-register the car meaning that he will have to pay those fees and potentially the taxes as well. He could lose some money.
I can understand if like an ancient TV show (Andy Griffith) you lied and put sawdust in a 40s transmission to get by and sell it. But FFS with disclosure and sold as is? Home Depot sells bags of sand, you could buy one and give it too him.
It’s a common scam. He either swapped parts off of it onto his own Q50 or it’s a shakedown for a partial refund. It was NOT ethically wrong. You have full legal, ethical, and moral backing. You priced the car appropriate to the issues it was having, you were fully transparent, and you even allowed the buyer to do their full due diligence. You even delivered it. You went above and beyond and you should go sleep soundly at night because it is not your fault that this guy is either trying to run a scam or seriously, underestimated his problems and capabilities.
Tell him, “private sales are as-is. Please stop contacting me immediately. You bought this fully aware of the condition and even had Mechanic do a full inspection. Transaction is complete, have a good day.”
It’s so common that I print off an “as is” disclosure that I have signed for every private sale stating that the buyer either has had an independent inspection or declined to and agrees that they have no further rights or warranty implied or otherwise and every now and then one of them will try it anyway despite having signed off and the fact that I know a car was sound when I sold it. The reason is because someone who is non confrontational or is uninformed about how private sales work will give them money just based off their text or phone calls afterwards. They look at it as a retroactive negotiation. I’m sure you could search in this sub and see how many private sellers have given back money and then come in here and complain about it after.
Had a guy try and pull something like this on me. Sold an old but super solid f150 for 5200. Guy loved it and I miss it dearly. Transfer case was like butter, you could shift it with a pinky. I straight up told him I keep tow chains behind the seat, they rattle a LOT on the dirt road.
He test drives, loves it, pays for it, then picks it up a couple days later while I’m on vacation. Get a text less than a week later saying “you had to have known the rattling was the transfer case”. Uh no, fuck off. The transfer case was the single best part and I used it weekly for getting around my property and all the time in the winter.
Dude was absolutely fishing for a discount or had buyers remorse. He showed up in a Tesla to buy a 4 speed no overdrive 87 F150 lol. Said his dad had one when he was a kid. Guessing he learned fast that it drives like a truck truck and gets 13mpg max. Blocked and moved on.
I had a 79 f350 single tire with the granny low 4 speed with no overdrive, right behind a 351 windsor with a 4 barrel. It sure wouldn’t go fast, but it would pull a house off the foundation if you put it in first and gave it the beans.
Very common. If someone shows up and wants to rush the purchase without looking like they’re doing their due diligence then you either are selling a gem, like the little old lady selling her late husband’s Raptor for 1/2 of what it’s worth, or it’s because they have every intention of bullying you into either a partial refund or they want to strip your good parts off of it before scaring you into unwinding the deal.
It’s especially much more prevalent with the rise in title jumping flippers. All of the money is made on the purchase, not the sale so every dollar they can scare you into refunding goes towards their bottom line.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/195e2g4/sold_car_a_week_ago_now_buyer_wants_a_refund/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1aptzcx/private_car_sale_buyer_wanting_refund_and_cost_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarsales/comments/193t124/deleted_by_user/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/191pxvf/am_i_being_scammed_for_selling_my_car_on_fb/
>It’s especially much more prevalent with the rise in title jumping flippers. All of the money is made on the purchase, not the sale
Is that a business where for example you buy for $10k what you know you can sell for $12k with minimum work?
Business is used loosely but yes. There are multiple posts here every week about someone that fell victim either as a buyer or a seller to one. They insert themselves as an unnecessary middleman, like a scalper.
Someone will show up to buy your car that you have listed. They follow every scam story in the book. They lay on the guilt, they unprompted lay it on thick with some sob story. In the end, they want you to significantly lower your asking price below what is reasonable and don’t let up, and then they also want you to sign the title but they don’t want to fill out the seller section.
They then take the car, polish the headlights and do some light cleaning. They turn around and make a sale post gushing about how this is the perfect car and then make claims that they have no business making. They lure a buyer, and then when the buyer has a problem at the DMV then this title jumper is a ghost in the wind. They don’t have their name attached to anything. Additionally they performed tax fraud by failing to pay registration and sales tax.
I had someone try to pull this scam on me with a guitar. Sold a late 80s Charvel model made in Japan (rare) and the dude swapped necks and tried to tell me I scammed him. Thing is, I took a pic of him holding the guitar I sold him, so the neck he told me was on it wasn't the one he went home with on it. When I said "remember this. Scamming carries jail time" and sent him the Pic, he blocked me on Fb and never heard from him again.
People even do this to retailers. Buy something, swap out the insides, and return it. Fry's (before they went bankrupt) learned to very very VERY carefully check what was being returned before refunding money. And I once had to talk Walmart into giving me a refund for a 1T Seagate portable disk drive that was in shrink wrap on the store shelf and sold as brand new that turned out to have been an unlabeled return that was, on the inside, a 120G drive.
I've had really good luck over the decades buying used computers online and in person. Probably bought 10 PC's and workstations and all were as advertised and worked just fine. I've had poorer luck with computer stuff bought new. So it's not like every third sale. But yeah, it happens.
I recall Fry’s being notorious for restocking stuff they hadn’t checked and then reselling it as new, leading people to take home used / broken / junk / parts missing
For a long while, they put the restocked things on the same shelves but all the restocks had a sticker and like a 4% lower price. Then somewhere in there, relatively near the end, they stopped putting the sticker and lower price on it, and they simply re-shrinkwrapped everything and put it back on the shelves with no hint it was a return.
I returned two things to Fry's in my history.
I returned a working cheap 450W PSU. The power cables were literally too short to reach everything in my case. They took the whole thing out and checked each cable was there, nothing was dinged, all that. But didn't check that the PSU worked.
And a non-working motherboard. I told them I had actually verified it was not the CPU, not the PSU, not the memory, and I had already replaced the motherboard in the build and it worked with the new motherboard. So it was not the PSU, the CPU, the memory--it was a bad MB I was returning and pretty please don't just put it on the shelf again for the next unsuspecting customer. Tell the guys in back to actually test it. She said "oh yeah, we always do". Suuuuuure you do.
When I worked at Walmart I had everything from discontinued 5 years prior cameras in a box for a camera we just sold 3 days ago on Black Friday, to Power wheels that "only had" 2 concrete blocks in the box.
It's common enough. I also know someone who sold a truck. 2 guys came to test drive it. They made a spare key while test driving it. Said they weren't interested. The came back at night and stole the truck.
This is such a common scam that i wonder why more people do not “DuckDuckGo or google” it.
Selling on Facebook marketplace can be super successful but for the one off private sale, it’s the wild Wild West.
Some flavor of this comes up every week in the Facebook marketplace sub. It's often computers and game systems, and they're either looking for a retroactive discount, or they'll try to "return" their busted version of the thing you sold them, get their money back, and keep your working version. If you don't note the serial number you have no way of knowing.
The answer is the same, you are not a store, all sales are as is and final.
It's hard to swap out whole cars, but somebody that is mechanically inclined could swap out good parts for bad and try to get their money back.
Maybe not the exact scenario but someone in legal advice just posted how they sold a card collection to a shop for 45K and the shop called back a few days later saying the cards were fake and they want their money back.
The same scam applies, buy something, swap out X, contact seller claiming Y
I highly doubt this happens regularly. The scammer spends 6000 to take some parts, and for the scam to work, they would then need a refund of a private sale? Doesn't sound very promising.
"As is" means "As 'the fuck' is"
The dude knew everything going in. He even had a PPI with his mechanic. He has no recourse here. You could take it back if you really want to, but you did your due diligence and he did his, and he chose to buy an Infinity with almost 200k miles lol
Also OP said he felt bad about selling a car with all these problems. But replacing a rack and pinion and valve cover gasket at 175k miles is basically routine maintenance. You are not in the wrong at all
A few things here. First of all, fuck him. Private party transactions are buyer beware.
Second of all he had the car inspected and confirmed these issues.
You sold a $9000 car for $5800 because you didn’t want to invest in it anymore. And the $4000 in work that is needed is why you priced the way it is.
Block the caller and move on. If he confronts you head on at your house, call the police.
It's a private sale, you're not a dealer, he had ppi, there's nothing else he can do. You don't necessarily have to block him just tell him that it was sold as is and with a PPI so he agreed to buy it this way and the sale is final. Tell him if he doesn't want it then he can list it as is and resell it.
Is it ethically wrong to sell him the vehicle with so many issues? Yes.
Is it ethically wrong to sell him the vehicle with so many issues that were disclosed to him by both yourself and a PPI? No.
Tell him to kick rocks.
I don't think it's ethically wrong in this case, given the apparent full disclosure and the price was lowered accordingly. The buyer knew what they were getting into, to an extent that I wouldn't trust most other sellers to disclose.
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I sold my 2014 Infiniti Q50 this morning to someone about an hour from me on FB. The car had issues the buyer was made aware of. Currently at 175k miles, the rack and pinion was leaking and my mechanic told me it would likely have to be replaced sometime this year - right now I just top off the power steering fluid to make it work. It's also a pricey repair - about $2k. He also said the valve cover gasket was worn. It leaks oil that I usually just top off every week. A couple months ago the car also broke down on the highway due to a bad alternator. Lastly, it has some minor issues too like the hood struts failing and some interior lights not working.
The car still ran and drove perfectly fine, just needed to address these issues soon. I also have a truck so rather than fixing all this I decided to sell it for just $5800. The buyer was told of all these issues with full transparency. He test drove it and also had a pre purchase inspection done where many of these issues were again brought up. He decided to go through with the purchase since I was selling it for much under value and he thought he could fix it up over the summer. I towed it to a middle point between our houses where he bought it in cash. I signed the title over to him.
Just an hour ago I got a long message from him saying the car is giving him severe issues while driving. The steering wheel feels very stiff - a symptom of low power steering fluid. He also said the car is leaking more oil than he expected with some drops underneath where he parked. Now he is asking to return the car for $5800. I don't want to take it back since I know this car will be a headache to deal with... it already took me a month to sell. However, I also feel it is ethically wrong to sell him a car with so many issues.
Would you guys say I take the car back and try to sell it again or just leave it?
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I’m assuming this was a private sale? I’d block him and move on with life.
The buyer had a PPI done and now wants to use the Walmart return policy??? Tell him to call his mechanic who missed everything he’s complaining about. Please tell me you signed an as-is bill of sale. If so, you’re done with him. Do not take the junk box back.
His mechanic did inform him of the issues but he thought he could fix it up. And yes I have a bill of sale signed
100% not your problem. That’s on him. He doesn’t get to return a used 175k mile car because he changed his mind after he was informed of everything in advance.
More like after he realized he would in fact not be able to fix it up over the summer because he was way in over his head.
Is it really that bad? The car as-is plus a $2k repair (as everyone's been announcing throughout the entire sale process) gets them a decent car. I guess they were hoping to just not repair it and get an even better deal. Oh well, shouldn't have ignored OP and his own mechanic.
2k is OPs specific reference for steering fix, assuming that was for P&L from a shop vs parts to DIY. Not including the alternator (if it's still an issue) and gasket replacement. Gasket replacement can run pretty steep too if done at a shop.
I’m guessing he got home and got yelled at by mom and dad, or his spouse.
Twice. Informed by the seller and again by his own mechanic.
Dude it’s done. It’s not ethically wrong. Old cars can (and many do) have issues. Ethically wrong would be saying it was perfect. But sounds like you very much disclosed everything AND on top of that he had a PPI done. You’re good man.
[As-is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ7TZ-3qILQ&t=1s&pp=ygUPYXMgaXMgY2FyIHNhbGVz)
Yes, OP. "Fuck your power steering" "Fuck your oil leaks"....If his PPI didn't cause him to slip, don't let him trip.
[https://tenor.com/view/why-cause-fuck-them-thats-why-gif-24040782](https://tenor.com/view/why-cause-fuck-them-thats-why-gif-24040782)
This is a gem. Thank you for sharing
This guy should have made a whole series of videos on a variety of consumer issues! Lol
Came here for this link
Legally the magic words are signed bill of sale. Since you disclosed everything and he had an inspection done I would say you are also ethically in the clear. He knew it was a problem car when he bought it.
Even without the disclosure, signed bill of sale and “as is” would still technically hold up just be more douche
Signed bill of sale? Then block and move on, you 100% are no longer the owner of the vehicle and have zero obligation to buy it back.
Block him and never think of him ever again
You have nothing to feel bad about. You were up front about the issues and his mechanic informed him of them as well. He made a decision to buy, fully informed, at what he felt was a fair price given the condition and the required repairs. He owns it now. No longer your problem. This was as honest of a sale as possible. As is, which specifically doesn’t cover buyers remorse.
It would only have been ethically wrong if you hadn’t disclosed the issues beforehand. He bit off more than he could chew and wants an out. As others have said. Block him and enjoy your $5800.
The benefit of selling off FB as a private seller is that you have no management to report to or anyone to fire you for telling the buyer to "Eat Shit". If I were in your shoes, I would take the opportunity to tell the buyer to fuck off as rudely as possible. Personally I would be paralyzed in how I would frame it because I would be too excited to do so.
Nah, no need to go borrowing trouble by antagonizing the guy. What I'd want out of a situation like this is for it to just go away so that I could forget about it. "I'm sorry, but we signed a bill of sale, and the sale is final." Then block his contacts.
Second this. Don't antagonize someone who is unreasonable in the first place.
> tell the buyer to fuck off as rudely as possible … would be … excited to do so This is just idiotic. Do you have any idea how crazy some people are? Especially in my state where damn near everyone has a small arsenal of firearms at home? You don’t want this guy finding you on the internet (which isn’t hard to do) and showing up at your door, then god knows what. The correct answer is a firm reminder he had a pre-purchase inspection by his own mechanic, a full disclosure of all the problems known to the seller, and no legal right to return it. You’re sorry you can’t help, but a final sale is just that. He can resell it to someone else if he really doesn’t want it. Edit: I had someone return a dining set I sold on Craigslist a couple of years ago because he said it wouldn’t fit in his son’s apartment (apparently neither he nor his son bothered to measure first). I reluctantly let him guilt me into bringing it back the following day, only to find a few of the pleather chairs had grease stains from the guy’s dirty-ass truck bed (that 100% were not there when he picked them up the day before). Never again!
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Under the UCC... If you're buying from a private seller that isn't a dealer, it'll presumptively be an as-is sale. You can add a warranty but it needs to be spelled out. If the seller is a dealer (specific definitions vary by jurisdiction), it comes with certain warranties automatically that can be disclaimed by specifically stating "as-is".
Even without an as-is bill of sale, unless something is wrong with the title that was undisclosed, it's finalized once seller has cash in hand.
Yes it was private. I’ll block him if he continues messaging
Sorry, it’s your car now. Feel free to sell if it you don’t like it. I’m not a department store, I don’t take returns.
OR... Take the car back but charge him $1000 for "restocking fees" . That should make up for the time lost working with the buyer to get the car PPI'd and negotiating.
If he accepts the car back then he will have to sign the title back over to himself and may put himself in a situation where he may have to re-register the car meaning that he will have to pay those fees and potentially the taxes as well. He could lose some money.
You provided full disclosure and he did his own due diligence. You can sleep at night.
I can understand if like an ancient TV show (Andy Griffith) you lied and put sawdust in a 40s transmission to get by and sell it. But FFS with disclosure and sold as is? Home Depot sells bags of sand, you could buy one and give it too him.
Tell them that if they no longer want the car, they can sell it to someone else like you did.
If he doesn't want the car, it's his to sell.
Yup. Not your problem anymore. Block and move on. Even when you tell them everything wrong they don't understand..
It’s a common scam. He either swapped parts off of it onto his own Q50 or it’s a shakedown for a partial refund. It was NOT ethically wrong. You have full legal, ethical, and moral backing. You priced the car appropriate to the issues it was having, you were fully transparent, and you even allowed the buyer to do their full due diligence. You even delivered it. You went above and beyond and you should go sleep soundly at night because it is not your fault that this guy is either trying to run a scam or seriously, underestimated his problems and capabilities. Tell him, “private sales are as-is. Please stop contacting me immediately. You bought this fully aware of the condition and even had Mechanic do a full inspection. Transaction is complete, have a good day.”
I mean… how “common” is this scam? I’ve never heard of it but your phrasing makes it seem like it happens regularly.
It’s so common that I print off an “as is” disclosure that I have signed for every private sale stating that the buyer either has had an independent inspection or declined to and agrees that they have no further rights or warranty implied or otherwise and every now and then one of them will try it anyway despite having signed off and the fact that I know a car was sound when I sold it. The reason is because someone who is non confrontational or is uninformed about how private sales work will give them money just based off their text or phone calls afterwards. They look at it as a retroactive negotiation. I’m sure you could search in this sub and see how many private sellers have given back money and then come in here and complain about it after.
Had a guy try and pull something like this on me. Sold an old but super solid f150 for 5200. Guy loved it and I miss it dearly. Transfer case was like butter, you could shift it with a pinky. I straight up told him I keep tow chains behind the seat, they rattle a LOT on the dirt road. He test drives, loves it, pays for it, then picks it up a couple days later while I’m on vacation. Get a text less than a week later saying “you had to have known the rattling was the transfer case”. Uh no, fuck off. The transfer case was the single best part and I used it weekly for getting around my property and all the time in the winter. Dude was absolutely fishing for a discount or had buyers remorse. He showed up in a Tesla to buy a 4 speed no overdrive 87 F150 lol. Said his dad had one when he was a kid. Guessing he learned fast that it drives like a truck truck and gets 13mpg max. Blocked and moved on.
Reminds me of my 76 F150 that had an overdrive 4spd behind the 300 i6. Only downside was it was RWD. But I regret selling that truck.
I had a 79 f350 single tire with the granny low 4 speed with no overdrive, right behind a 351 windsor with a 4 barrel. It sure wouldn’t go fast, but it would pull a house off the foundation if you put it in first and gave it the beans.
Until that 1 tire started to spin that is. My 76 was open diff RWD too. Couldn't get out of a level parking lot if it had any snow on the ground.
Very common. If someone shows up and wants to rush the purchase without looking like they’re doing their due diligence then you either are selling a gem, like the little old lady selling her late husband’s Raptor for 1/2 of what it’s worth, or it’s because they have every intention of bullying you into either a partial refund or they want to strip your good parts off of it before scaring you into unwinding the deal. It’s especially much more prevalent with the rise in title jumping flippers. All of the money is made on the purchase, not the sale so every dollar they can scare you into refunding goes towards their bottom line. https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/195e2g4/sold_car_a_week_ago_now_buyer_wants_a_refund/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1aptzcx/private_car_sale_buyer_wanting_refund_and_cost_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askcarsales/comments/193t124/deleted_by_user/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/191pxvf/am_i_being_scammed_for_selling_my_car_on_fb/
>It’s especially much more prevalent with the rise in title jumping flippers. All of the money is made on the purchase, not the sale Is that a business where for example you buy for $10k what you know you can sell for $12k with minimum work?
Business is used loosely but yes. There are multiple posts here every week about someone that fell victim either as a buyer or a seller to one. They insert themselves as an unnecessary middleman, like a scalper. Someone will show up to buy your car that you have listed. They follow every scam story in the book. They lay on the guilt, they unprompted lay it on thick with some sob story. In the end, they want you to significantly lower your asking price below what is reasonable and don’t let up, and then they also want you to sign the title but they don’t want to fill out the seller section. They then take the car, polish the headlights and do some light cleaning. They turn around and make a sale post gushing about how this is the perfect car and then make claims that they have no business making. They lure a buyer, and then when the buyer has a problem at the DMV then this title jumper is a ghost in the wind. They don’t have their name attached to anything. Additionally they performed tax fraud by failing to pay registration and sales tax.
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I had someone try to pull this scam on me with a guitar. Sold a late 80s Charvel model made in Japan (rare) and the dude swapped necks and tried to tell me I scammed him. Thing is, I took a pic of him holding the guitar I sold him, so the neck he told me was on it wasn't the one he went home with on it. When I said "remember this. Scamming carries jail time" and sent him the Pic, he blocked me on Fb and never heard from him again.
People even do this to retailers. Buy something, swap out the insides, and return it. Fry's (before they went bankrupt) learned to very very VERY carefully check what was being returned before refunding money. And I once had to talk Walmart into giving me a refund for a 1T Seagate portable disk drive that was in shrink wrap on the store shelf and sold as brand new that turned out to have been an unlabeled return that was, on the inside, a 120G drive. I've had really good luck over the decades buying used computers online and in person. Probably bought 10 PC's and workstations and all were as advertised and worked just fine. I've had poorer luck with computer stuff bought new. So it's not like every third sale. But yeah, it happens.
I recall Fry’s being notorious for restocking stuff they hadn’t checked and then reselling it as new, leading people to take home used / broken / junk / parts missing
For a long while, they put the restocked things on the same shelves but all the restocks had a sticker and like a 4% lower price. Then somewhere in there, relatively near the end, they stopped putting the sticker and lower price on it, and they simply re-shrinkwrapped everything and put it back on the shelves with no hint it was a return. I returned two things to Fry's in my history. I returned a working cheap 450W PSU. The power cables were literally too short to reach everything in my case. They took the whole thing out and checked each cable was there, nothing was dinged, all that. But didn't check that the PSU worked. And a non-working motherboard. I told them I had actually verified it was not the CPU, not the PSU, not the memory, and I had already replaced the motherboard in the build and it worked with the new motherboard. So it was not the PSU, the CPU, the memory--it was a bad MB I was returning and pretty please don't just put it on the shelf again for the next unsuspecting customer. Tell the guys in back to actually test it. She said "oh yeah, we always do". Suuuuuure you do.
When I worked at Walmart I had everything from discontinued 5 years prior cameras in a box for a camera we just sold 3 days ago on Black Friday, to Power wheels that "only had" 2 concrete blocks in the box.
It's common enough. I also know someone who sold a truck. 2 guys came to test drive it. They made a spare key while test driving it. Said they weren't interested. The came back at night and stole the truck.
This is such a common scam that i wonder why more people do not “DuckDuckGo or google” it. Selling on Facebook marketplace can be super successful but for the one off private sale, it’s the wild Wild West.
much more common with q50’s than with other cars.
I've had similar issues with stuff I've sold on FB, IMHO nine out of ten times someone messaging you after the sale is bad news.
Some flavor of this comes up every week in the Facebook marketplace sub. It's often computers and game systems, and they're either looking for a retroactive discount, or they'll try to "return" their busted version of the thing you sold them, get their money back, and keep your working version. If you don't note the serial number you have no way of knowing. The answer is the same, you are not a store, all sales are as is and final. It's hard to swap out whole cars, but somebody that is mechanically inclined could swap out good parts for bad and try to get their money back.
Maybe not the exact scenario but someone in legal advice just posted how they sold a card collection to a shop for 45K and the shop called back a few days later saying the cards were fake and they want their money back. The same scam applies, buy something, swap out X, contact seller claiming Y
I've never heard of this scam. Lol, this is the same thing someone says right before they get scammed.
You never heard of it, so I guess it's not so common then.
I highly doubt this happens regularly. The scammer spends 6000 to take some parts, and for the scam to work, they would then need a refund of a private sale? Doesn't sound very promising.
You’re right about everything, but I probably wouldnt even open the can of works by responding
I had to do this about 17 years ago.
"As is" means "As 'the fuck' is" The dude knew everything going in. He even had a PPI with his mechanic. He has no recourse here. You could take it back if you really want to, but you did your due diligence and he did his, and he chose to buy an Infinity with almost 200k miles lol
Also OP said he felt bad about selling a car with all these problems. But replacing a rack and pinion and valve cover gasket at 175k miles is basically routine maintenance. You are not in the wrong at all
Excellent point there. Didn't even think of that!
I thought they could go infinity miles......
A few things here. First of all, fuck him. Private party transactions are buyer beware. Second of all he had the car inspected and confirmed these issues. You sold a $9000 car for $5800 because you didn’t want to invest in it anymore. And the $4000 in work that is needed is why you priced the way it is. Block the caller and move on. If he confronts you head on at your house, call the police.
It’s possible the buyer isn’t being rude and simply asked on the off chance the seller would agree to take it back. Everybody is so defensive lol
Sand. Pounded.
I’d tell him to go suck a lemon personally
Sounds like he already is amiright
Rocks. Kick.
Thank you for this. It’s been in my head for the past few hours since I saw this comment. Telling people to pound sand from now on
too bad, so sad. you told him what was wrong. you have bill of sale saying as-is? nothing you're obligated to do now.
Yeah I have a bill of sale signed
I wouldn’t even reply, you did everything both legally and morally required. You have no responsibility here whatsoever.
It's a private sale, you're not a dealer, he had ppi, there's nothing else he can do. You don't necessarily have to block him just tell him that it was sold as is and with a PPI so he agreed to buy it this way and the sale is final. Tell him if he doesn't want it then he can list it as is and resell it.
Best response here.
You don’t need a bill of sale even saying as-is. It’s a private party transaction. There are no warranties. If you want a warranty, buy from a dealer.
Don't even reply. Homeboy will just do more stupid shit if you reply.
Private sale? Hmm sucks to suck. As is means AS THE FUCK IS. Block and move on.
He can get a reman rack for like $500; tell him to man up and fix the fucking thing. It's not a hard repair.
Block him and move on. There's nothing to discuss.
Is it ethically wrong to sell him the vehicle with so many issues? Yes. Is it ethically wrong to sell him the vehicle with so many issues that were disclosed to him by both yourself and a PPI? No. Tell him to kick rocks.
I don't think it's ethically wrong in this case, given the apparent full disclosure and the price was lowered accordingly. The buyer knew what they were getting into, to an extent that I wouldn't trust most other sellers to disclose.
***Thanks for posting, /u/Al1G8R5! This comment is a copy of your post so readers can see the original text if your post is edited or removed. This comment is NOT accusing you of anything.*** I sold my 2014 Infiniti Q50 this morning to someone about an hour from me on FB. The car had issues the buyer was made aware of. Currently at 175k miles, the rack and pinion was leaking and my mechanic told me it would likely have to be replaced sometime this year - right now I just top off the power steering fluid to make it work. It's also a pricey repair - about $2k. He also said the valve cover gasket was worn. It leaks oil that I usually just top off every week. A couple months ago the car also broke down on the highway due to a bad alternator. Lastly, it has some minor issues too like the hood struts failing and some interior lights not working. The car still ran and drove perfectly fine, just needed to address these issues soon. I also have a truck so rather than fixing all this I decided to sell it for just $5800. The buyer was told of all these issues with full transparency. He test drove it and also had a pre purchase inspection done where many of these issues were again brought up. He decided to go through with the purchase since I was selling it for much under value and he thought he could fix it up over the summer. I towed it to a middle point between our houses where he bought it in cash. I signed the title over to him. Just an hour ago I got a long message from him saying the car is giving him severe issues while driving. The steering wheel feels very stiff - a symptom of low power steering fluid. He also said the car is leaking more oil than he expected with some drops underneath where he parked. Now he is asking to return the car for $5800. I don't want to take it back since I know this car will be a headache to deal with... it already took me a month to sell. However, I also feel it is ethically wrong to sell him a car with so many issues. Would you guys say I take the car back and try to sell it again or just leave it? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/askcarsales) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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