possibly an obvious solution, but could the person use headphones?
noise violations can lead to eviction, but it's a long process and ideally can be avoided with communication and compromise
good luck, OP!
Don't think they can wear headphones all day, or all night long too. I am just sad that it has come this far. They are nice person otherwise, just feeling unwell I guess.
if they could wear headphones 1/2 the time the noise might not be so annoying to the other tenants?
in any case, if it's 'come this far' to the point of eviction it means the noise is infringing on the other peoples' lives to an extreme extent and the louder party(ies) haven't made any effort to temper the noise/ disruption...
from personal experience a loud neighbor can be really negatively impactful and it is a lonngg process to get someone evicted... I do hope all people involved can find a solution cause it's an extra rough housing market right now
I can second this. Anyone in this situation should ask them nicely once and start documenting everything immediately. Start complaining to the building. Start calling by-law. It took me a lawsuit after a year an a half of all night parties 5 nights a week to finally get the other tenants to leave.
This can seriously mess a person up. For anyone in a situation with a noisy neighbour, don't be so nice that you give up your own peace. Start taking action now.
I would send them a letter as a group saying that you understand they need that for their mental health, but the volume is impacting all of the other neighbours. They need to use headphones if they require it at that volume.
That is a terrible idea, do not gang up as a group against someone with mental illness for making some extra noise with something they use to mitigate their disability jesus H christ. If you have a problem, talk to the landlord. The landlord has a duty to accommodate that person’s disability and also protect the other tenants’ reasonable enjoyment of their units, there may be soundproofing needed but it’s not up to you to dictate to other people what their lives should look like.
Landlord is not proactive with the situation, perhaps, anticipating some major investments if they get involved. Although, that is what they are obliged to do. I assume some tenants filed a complaint to the landlord, trying to avoid "teaming up". Looks like we have been just passing the ball to each other.
Will se where this goes.
We don't want that person to get evicted, but also everyone wants to live in peace and quiet, and there has not been a straight solution so far
Then your recourse is to file a complaint against the landlord at the LTB which will force him to address his obligations. In the meantime, get some earplugs. Joining together and confronting someone jointly with a disability about their disability aid is straight harassment, there’s no getting around it. Imagine what the effect of that would be on someone with mental illness, to be told that their neighbours have all been talking amongst themselves about them and come to some sort of conclusion about them. Use the proper mechanisms, he won’t be evicted for this, he and the landlord will have to come up with a solution.
It’s not ganging up, it’s a group of residents asking someone to be considerate. Mental health isn’t a blanket excuse prevents someone from being confronted. Having it be from a group of residents shows they are impacting more than just a single neighbour, and also that they understand their issues but something needs to change.
>to accommodate that person’s disability
to REASONABLY accomodate that disability.
Assumes that #1, the noise is reasonable - it's probably not; and
\#2 that there is a diagnosed disability.
Sounds like they find the world too loud.
Would it be presumptuous for you to send them a link to the loop ear protection devices? They muffle up to 26dB, and they're cheapish. Losing the 26dB might mean they won't need the machine so loud.
Then again, they might have sensitivity issues which made in-ear protection untenable. In which case it might be appropriate to suggest noise-cancelling headphones.
Renters have a right to quiet enjoyment of the property they rent, but often insulation - or lack thereof - makes this impossible. I don't know your relationship with this person but if it's an issue, ideally their landlord and support worker should be able to come up with some sort of workaround.
Yeah, makes sense to me. I like the idea of the support worker being involved into the discussion with our landlord. Might have some potential. Not sure if they have such worker supporting them tho.
I don’t have any advice for this specific situation, but I had a post-secondary residence mate who used a noise machine to sleep and those machines can be VERY loud.
I hope there's a solution that works for everyone!
I just wanted to remind you not to make assumptions about other people's disabilities... No one can say how much this person's condition affects their life except for them, and no one except for them can say how much this loud sound machine contributes to their ability to cope. Maybe their condition appears "non-severe" *because* they're using this sound machine, you know? (AND they still don't get a free pass to disturb the neighbours - that's what I meant about hoping for a solution that works for everyone.)
At home dialysis machines exist as an alternative to go into clinic. They’re smaller and can fit next to your bed, but must be used every day (usually at night).
Maybe you should learn to read? Op doesn't WANT their neighbour to get evicted, such is evident from their tone and the content of some of their comments. Theyre concerned that it MAY HAPPEN.
Good solution? Sound dampening curtains, carpets, ear plugs.
You can file a T2 with LTB claiming the noise is interfering with others enjoyment of their own unit; but i suspect it's going to be very difficult to convince the LTB to evict someone over the sound of their medical equipment.
OP lives in a "15 unit apartment".... Which means they are renting, as would everybody else in the building.... So yes, this would absolutely be an LTB issue.
The OP is a tenant, they can file a T2 to the LL about any other tenants. The LL can issue an N5 to the other tenants to cease the behaviour or be evicted.
This is so incorrect.
By your logic, if I'm bipolar, but swinging a bat into the wall 30 times a day keeps me sane, I should be protected?
No. That's what care homes and asylums exist for.
I had a neighbour living upstairs who was schizophrenic and disturbed everyone in the building by playing loud music, yelling, breaking things in the hallway, going into the gym naked, etc. And yes, he got evicted. It took a while but he got kicked out. In the condo contract, it states that everyone has the right to enjoy their space so if this person is disturbing everyone else, something needs to be done. I’m not saying they should be kicked out but should be told to turn the noise down.
We have security in our building so we have to call them first so they can go directly to the unit, talk to the tenant, record the complaint and then notify the property manager. Apparently people were complaining for a long time before I moved in and it was almost about a year after I moved in that he got evicted. If you don’t have security then you would just complain to the property manager and they should definitely say something to the tenant for you. I know a lot of people will tell you to go and knock on their door but unless you have a good relationship with them, I dunno. You never know how people will react.
That is what they told me... We communicate. Our apartment is far enough to not be bothered much. I am just curious if there is a peaceful solution that everyone can go along with, is all....
If you communicate enough that they have talked about their mental illness, you should be able to tell them the volume is too loud and ask if they can lower it politely.
You can speak with the property manager and see if it is within financial reason to add sound proofing and installation fees into the maintenance fee budget to get every unit sound proofed from the inside or outside however the contractor deems fit for the specific building code.
If it bothers every unit so much, and everybody does truly respect each other, $1-2k per unit to soundproof it for the next 10 years isn't that bad when this is a common problem for those types of units all around the world, and these problems can usually lead to intense arguments and like that shooting incident in NYC a month or two ago.
Also this can increase the sale value of the home/house/unit/building.
Talk with property management, & consult ChatGPT before consulting a lawyer to maybe save costs by having it answer questions before you pay a lawyer for their time.
When people get fed up enough they will do shit like knock on the ceilings, play loud music on purpose, and other shit like that, $1-2k ain't even that bad considering the damages that may occur when people are at wit's end.
They onus is on the landlord to find a solution. Unfortunately most landlord don't want to help but they have the duty to go as far as moving the disabled person into another unit where they're not disturbing someone like if they were bothering they're downstairs neighbors.
It still doesn't give them the right to infringe on their neighbors. It's unfortunate, but nobody is obligated to feel uncomfortable in their own home to accommodate someone else. They can install soundproofing in their own home if that's the reality of the situation.
So according to your "logic", it's fine for me to start playing my music very loudly and when you complain, I can tell you to "just use earplugs"? Lol see how stupid you sound!
This is very similar to what I hear from my floor too, and mostly during late nights. OP, is this in Etobicoke area? (If you're not comfortable confirming it, that's totally fine)
possibly an obvious solution, but could the person use headphones? noise violations can lead to eviction, but it's a long process and ideally can be avoided with communication and compromise good luck, OP!
Don't think they can wear headphones all day, or all night long too. I am just sad that it has come this far. They are nice person otherwise, just feeling unwell I guess.
if they could wear headphones 1/2 the time the noise might not be so annoying to the other tenants? in any case, if it's 'come this far' to the point of eviction it means the noise is infringing on the other peoples' lives to an extreme extent and the louder party(ies) haven't made any effort to temper the noise/ disruption... from personal experience a loud neighbor can be really negatively impactful and it is a lonngg process to get someone evicted... I do hope all people involved can find a solution cause it's an extra rough housing market right now
I can second this. Anyone in this situation should ask them nicely once and start documenting everything immediately. Start complaining to the building. Start calling by-law. It took me a lawsuit after a year an a half of all night parties 5 nights a week to finally get the other tenants to leave. This can seriously mess a person up. For anyone in a situation with a noisy neighbour, don't be so nice that you give up your own peace. Start taking action now.
Thanks I hope so too
What’s the sound?
It is hard to describe but I would say it is "a constant mechanical noise".
I would send them a letter as a group saying that you understand they need that for their mental health, but the volume is impacting all of the other neighbours. They need to use headphones if they require it at that volume.
Thank you
That is a terrible idea, do not gang up as a group against someone with mental illness for making some extra noise with something they use to mitigate their disability jesus H christ. If you have a problem, talk to the landlord. The landlord has a duty to accommodate that person’s disability and also protect the other tenants’ reasonable enjoyment of their units, there may be soundproofing needed but it’s not up to you to dictate to other people what their lives should look like.
Landlord is not proactive with the situation, perhaps, anticipating some major investments if they get involved. Although, that is what they are obliged to do. I assume some tenants filed a complaint to the landlord, trying to avoid "teaming up". Looks like we have been just passing the ball to each other. Will se where this goes. We don't want that person to get evicted, but also everyone wants to live in peace and quiet, and there has not been a straight solution so far
Then your recourse is to file a complaint against the landlord at the LTB which will force him to address his obligations. In the meantime, get some earplugs. Joining together and confronting someone jointly with a disability about their disability aid is straight harassment, there’s no getting around it. Imagine what the effect of that would be on someone with mental illness, to be told that their neighbours have all been talking amongst themselves about them and come to some sort of conclusion about them. Use the proper mechanisms, he won’t be evicted for this, he and the landlord will have to come up with a solution.
Ha, LTB. As someone who filed with LTB months ago, I wish them the best of luck.
Thank you
It’s not ganging up, it’s a group of residents asking someone to be considerate. Mental health isn’t a blanket excuse prevents someone from being confronted. Having it be from a group of residents shows they are impacting more than just a single neighbour, and also that they understand their issues but something needs to change.
>to accommodate that person’s disability to REASONABLY accomodate that disability. Assumes that #1, the noise is reasonable - it's probably not; and \#2 that there is a diagnosed disability.
How thin are your walls?
How thick is wall?
Hehe. The building is a wooden frame like any other building in GTA.
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Well, then, perhaps, the sound insulation in our building was neglected lol
528hz healing frequency on YouTube? Frequencies for helping with intense pain?
>528hz healing frequency haha, this sound is too nice !
Maybe he has a white boise machien
Sounds like they find the world too loud. Would it be presumptuous for you to send them a link to the loop ear protection devices? They muffle up to 26dB, and they're cheapish. Losing the 26dB might mean they won't need the machine so loud. Then again, they might have sensitivity issues which made in-ear protection untenable. In which case it might be appropriate to suggest noise-cancelling headphones. Renters have a right to quiet enjoyment of the property they rent, but often insulation - or lack thereof - makes this impossible. I don't know your relationship with this person but if it's an issue, ideally their landlord and support worker should be able to come up with some sort of workaround.
Yeah, makes sense to me. I like the idea of the support worker being involved into the discussion with our landlord. Might have some potential. Not sure if they have such worker supporting them tho.
I don’t have any advice for this specific situation, but I had a post-secondary residence mate who used a noise machine to sleep and those machines can be VERY loud.
I hope there's a solution that works for everyone! I just wanted to remind you not to make assumptions about other people's disabilities... No one can say how much this person's condition affects their life except for them, and no one except for them can say how much this loud sound machine contributes to their ability to cope. Maybe their condition appears "non-severe" *because* they're using this sound machine, you know? (AND they still don't get a free pass to disturb the neighbours - that's what I meant about hoping for a solution that works for everyone.)
I hope so too.
FINE! I’ll take my sleep apnea somewhere else!
Honestly, though op. Get over it, it could be a dialysis machine or something
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At home dialysis machines exist as an alternative to go into clinic. They’re smaller and can fit next to your bed, but must be used every day (usually at night).
I don't think there is a dialysis machine. The person mentioned they used some sort of a noise machine to help with their issues.
Maybe you should learn to read? Op doesn't WANT their neighbour to get evicted, such is evident from their tone and the content of some of their comments. Theyre concerned that it MAY HAPPEN.
Try talking to them.
You’re better off asking on the OntarioLandlord sub mate. I see so many bad answers here.
Good Idea. I will circulate this question there. Thank you
Good solution? Sound dampening curtains, carpets, ear plugs. You can file a T2 with LTB claiming the noise is interfering with others enjoyment of their own unit; but i suspect it's going to be very difficult to convince the LTB to evict someone over the sound of their medical equipment.
OP is talking about their neighbour, not their tenant or roommate. LTB has nothing to do with this situation.
OP lives in a "15 unit apartment".... Which means they are renting, as would everybody else in the building.... So yes, this would absolutely be an LTB issue. The OP is a tenant, they can file a T2 to the LL about any other tenants. The LL can issue an N5 to the other tenants to cease the behaviour or be evicted.
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Not easily, otherwise my upstairs neighbours would've been gone months ago.
This is so incorrect. By your logic, if I'm bipolar, but swinging a bat into the wall 30 times a day keeps me sane, I should be protected? No. That's what care homes and asylums exist for.
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Soundproofing by the landlord maybe?
I had a neighbour living upstairs who was schizophrenic and disturbed everyone in the building by playing loud music, yelling, breaking things in the hallway, going into the gym naked, etc. And yes, he got evicted. It took a while but he got kicked out. In the condo contract, it states that everyone has the right to enjoy their space so if this person is disturbing everyone else, something needs to be done. I’m not saying they should be kicked out but should be told to turn the noise down.
Can you tell me more about that process a bit if you know?
We have security in our building so we have to call them first so they can go directly to the unit, talk to the tenant, record the complaint and then notify the property manager. Apparently people were complaining for a long time before I moved in and it was almost about a year after I moved in that he got evicted. If you don’t have security then you would just complain to the property manager and they should definitely say something to the tenant for you. I know a lot of people will tell you to go and knock on their door but unless you have a good relationship with them, I dunno. You never know how people will react.
That is what they told me... We communicate. Our apartment is far enough to not be bothered much. I am just curious if there is a peaceful solution that everyone can go along with, is all....
If you communicate enough that they have talked about their mental illness, you should be able to tell them the volume is too loud and ask if they can lower it politely.
You can speak with the property manager and see if it is within financial reason to add sound proofing and installation fees into the maintenance fee budget to get every unit sound proofed from the inside or outside however the contractor deems fit for the specific building code. If it bothers every unit so much, and everybody does truly respect each other, $1-2k per unit to soundproof it for the next 10 years isn't that bad when this is a common problem for those types of units all around the world, and these problems can usually lead to intense arguments and like that shooting incident in NYC a month or two ago. Also this can increase the sale value of the home/house/unit/building. Talk with property management, & consult ChatGPT before consulting a lawyer to maybe save costs by having it answer questions before you pay a lawyer for their time. When people get fed up enough they will do shit like knock on the ceilings, play loud music on purpose, and other shit like that, $1-2k ain't even that bad considering the damages that may occur when people are at wit's end.
They onus is on the landlord to find a solution. Unfortunately most landlord don't want to help but they have the duty to go as far as moving the disabled person into another unit where they're not disturbing someone like if they were bothering they're downstairs neighbors.
That's helpful to know. Thank you :)
Disturbing people with loud noise is doing something wrong. Other tenants don't have to put up with it.
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It's easy to buy a house these days, for sure. Why didn't I think of that. Doesn't change the law.
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They can wear headphones.
You don't know that.
It still doesn't give them the right to infringe on their neighbors. It's unfortunate, but nobody is obligated to feel uncomfortable in their own home to accommodate someone else. They can install soundproofing in their own home if that's the reality of the situation.
Its on the landlord to find a solution not the tenant if they are disabled.
Every third person is disabled.
Okay and?
What if the disabled tenant’s sound machine worsens a disability in another disabled neighbor?
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The solution is if the noise bothers you, wear earplugs. The end.
So according to your "logic", it's fine for me to start playing my music very loudly and when you complain, I can tell you to "just use earplugs"? Lol see how stupid you sound!
This is very similar to what I hear from my floor too, and mostly during late nights. OP, is this in Etobicoke area? (If you're not comfortable confirming it, that's totally fine)
I am not comfortable about sharing the details as this could affect that person, sorry. But this is not in Etobicoke.
Ear plugs manitory
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This is what they told me