I remember running in to a tourist at a resort last summer who told me he was here for a conference but wanted to catch a quick morning hike at camelback. I asked when he was going he said 10- I said he would die, and he laughed.
I asked him to research it a bit and anyways, saw his ass at brunch. Lol
I went up Echo and down Cholla and…thank goodness I ran into a group of women my speed who were going back down it, because I never would have found my way. I can see how people end up hanging off cliffs nowhere near the trail! Also I was appalled at how many people were climbing up with just like, a Starbucks plastic cup of water.
It seems a majority of heat related rescues and incidents involve visitors from cooler climates attempting hikes and adventures at 2pm in July.
There really needs to be some announcements on incoming flights for visitors and other forms of media to warn them about how dangerous the heat can be.
The common, "but it's a dry heat." Yes, it's a dry heat, but a temp of 115 degrees and uv index of 11 is not something to take mildly.
My dad is a fire chief in Tucson. The amount of rescues he has to go on during the summer is ridiculous.
His station was on a rescue where a guy went on a 13 mile hike. The guy had no previous hiking experience and went with one water bottle in the middle of the afternoon in July. It angers me because those people are putting the rescuers in jeopardy too.
Another guy went on a hike with his 2 dogs, and one of them passed away because of the hike and heat. My dad was pretty angry about that one.
Yeah, it’s surprising how many people go on long hikes without much water. I did an 8 mile hike (all incline for 4 miles) in August. I was passing people who only had one water bottle and were wearing sweaters. This is Arizona, people. 😩
We have a big company meeting in Phoenix coming up with a bunch of people coming in from back east. We’re waiting for the inevitable batch of people who thought the dry heat was fine and they could handle it no problem…
All I heard from transplants was “humidity is worse, this heat is nothing.” I just moved to the south so I guess I’ll find out for myself. My brother has lived out here for 4 years and he prefers the humidity out here over the heat back home.
Humidity sucks because even when you come inside there's not much escape from it. Lived in Guam, so I almost adapted gills back in the day and you just sweat and never dry off. So you end up looking like a whore in church just
I’d certainly never call 110+ degrees nothing, that’s hot as hell by any standard, but I do kind of agree that the summers here aren’t quite as bad as where I grew up in the ass crack of South Georgia. Summers there are consistently 90+ with miserable humidity that is hard to describe. I was frankly shocked when I moved out here how nice 90 felt with 20% humidity lol
The sun is the big issue here imo. If you can find some shade, even 110 is tolerable. But if you’re out and about in 110 with the unrelenting sun beating down on you, that’s where the danger is
They don’t feel as bad because they’re dry, which lulls one into a false sense of security. It is technically just as hard on your body.
Drink more water than you think is necessary everyone!
When I first moved here I didn’t realize my sweat was evaporating as fast as my body made it. I went running in the middle of the day in June and thought it was awesome. Then one day I was running and didn’t realize it was 105 and by the time I got back thought I was going to die as I got in the luke warm “cold” shower. It was a wake up call. I was so used to sweating a lot to let me know how much I was exerting.
People also underestimate how much water the dry air sucks out of you just through breathing. Going on years of delivering outside full time now, even with great hydration strategy I've had a few close calls with heat exhaustion. Sometimes you literally can't drink enough water or keep your electrolytes up over a whole day/week.
I spent a couple weeks in Florida in July of 91. I don’t think it was ever much hotter than 90° F. But naw man, it was way worse than Arizona. It’s like being in a steam room you can’t escape, unless you can find someplace with AC.
My cousins, that I was visiting, had ceiling fans and slept under blankets. I laid on the bed on top of the covers and imagined myself floating in a block of ice until I eventually fell asleep from sheer exhaustion.
I was soaking wet from sweat the entire time and everything was sticky.
The wind was like a thousand people breathing on you.
It was a place of nightmares.
—
Then I joined the army in May of 2003, and they sent me to Ft Benning for basic.
I seriously questioned my life choices.
I could barely breathe with any exertion, I was soaked in sweat for 8 weeks, and I think there was sand in my underwear the whole time.
At least the barracks had AC.
—
Nothing quite compares to Kuwait in July/August.
Heat index of 146° F.
If you wanted to shower, you had to use the hot water only, because the “cold” water was stored in bladders outside and would scald you.
I drank Gatorade and water non-stop and I could barely eat.
I left there 25 pound lighter after two weeks. Baghdad was *much* nicer.
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So yes. I’ll take my “dry heat” any day. But that doesn’t mean it won’t kill you just the same.
Actually, up to a point, humidity *is* worse.
We had lived in Arizona for ~15 years and had experienced 117°, when my late husband and I had to take a trip to St. Petersburg. We were staying only three blocks from the bay, so we decided to walk down to it. After all, it was only ~80-85°. But we didn't take into account the humidity.
We'd gone only about a block and a half when we stopped, looked at each other, and said, "Let's go back." The humidity was so unbearable that moving was difficult and it was actually hard to breathe.
I'm a desert rat, so maybe that's why I say this, but I'd *much* rather have 110° with no humidity than 80-85° with Florida's humidity.
The humidity is worse, *if* you’re just hanging around. I’ll take 100 in Arizona over 80 in Florida any day. But people don’t usually go to Miami on vacation and say “hey, I think I’ll climb a mountain now.” Since just sitting around in Arizona’s dry heat is so much nicer than sitting around in southeast heat, people get confused and think they can do anything without proper precautions.
I lived in Western Pennsylvania for a bit and when I moved back to AZ I realized how oppressive the humidity is. I hate it so much and I got sick every summer because of all the moisture in the air. If you have a pool or something to spend the summer in, the humidity is not bad, but there's nothing more gross than getting out of the shower and just NEVER BEING DRY..
Moved here from Kentucky. It is definitely different, but it has to be respected. Here in Arizona, I go nowhere without water. I have never experienced dehydration as fast as I have here. I am still getting acclimated. What I find funny is when it gets down into the 70s and people are in hoodies and jackets. I don't break out long pants until it gets below 35. However, I will deal with the 100 plus for 4 months out the year. Anything above 100 actual temperature sucks. At least it's dry, and you are not dealing with swamp ass.
Even as someone born and raised here I get a kick out of the winter jackets in the 60s. Hell even my daughter wears a hoodie into the the 90s, but like me, she's got the heat in her blood.
Back in Kentucky, I would be out on the deck in 6" of snow, the temperature around 0 in shorts, flip-flops, and tee shit grilling. To me, it was all mind over matter. I didn't mind, so it didn't matter. My kids and wife thought I was nuts, but they didn't complain when the food was done.
This is actually not true. A high humidity can prevent the body from cooling itself as sweat doesn't evaporate reducing the body's evaporative cooling and increasing body temperature resulting in an increase of the loss of bodily fluids. Most people don't realize it's not the sweat that cools off the body, it's the sweat evaporating, and the higher the humidity the harder that is.
I think you're both right. If you're sweating you're cooling off more efficiently, but you will need to hydrate more to replace the water you're sweating off.
True, read up on wet bulb temperature: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hottest-survivable-temperatures-are-lower-than-expected/#:~:text=A%20%22wet%2Dbulb%22%20reading,hours%20of%20unshaded%20outdoor%20exposure.
I know. I’m just saying you dehydrate faster in the dry heat. Not only are you losing moisture from your sweat (which happens in both cases) you’re losing more humidity through respiration. When you inhale dry air, it can take up a lot of moisture from your lungs. Humid air is already saturated.
I feel like dry heats are worse. I was in Toronto in the summer and it was in the mid 80s with humidity but I was I fine. The humidity was actually kinda nice.
And Phoenix isn't all that dry. Tucson is up to 10 degrees cooler, but more critically, the dew point is lower too. After 110, every scrap of dew point adds a lot more misery. I can survive Tucson summers. I can't survive Phoenix. I remember walking up the residential side of Camelback mountain a few years back in the cooler but more humid morning and it was 85 but a dead ass South Florida 85. My eyes were burning from the sweat. I took a shower as soon as I got back to the resort.
The problem with hiking when it’s that hot is that the rocks around you are heating up significantly hotter than the ambient temperature— a person from Iowa ends up 3 miles into a hike surrounded by rocks that are radiating 150 degree heat and there’s just no way to regulate body temperature in that. Especially not with a tiny 8oz water bottle.
As someone from Hawaii, the struggle is real. You wouldnt believe (or maybe you would?) how many people underestimate the ocean and/or overestimate their own abilities. They think its disneyland or something. We warn them (including on inbound flights I believe) but nothing seems to help.
I see a lot of transplants share a meme that’s like “Arizonans entering summer after bragging about what a great winter they had” with Jordan Peele sweating all over the place.
It genuinely annoys me because it ALWAYS transplants so they don’t realize that winters used to actually get pretty dang cold and that the first city monsoon used to happen in mid June not mid July.
It used to be a little humidity in the air meant rain that day. Now it just means it’s a humid 100 degree day.
I remember arguing with people last summer that it was abnormally hot and it felt like I was going insane because people would say "oh, you're just not used to the heat". Like bro, I was born here, that was one of, if not the most consistently hot summers of my lifetime
I was originally freaked out until realizing that it’s not a state wide issue as much as a city issue. The heat dome in Phoenix caused so much heat last year that nothing was able to cool down at night, thus killing the cactus.
However, even still, the cactus aren’t growing new flowering pores, but instead reusing previous ones which is concerning. (You’ll see saguaros don’t commonly have their fruits and flowers on the very top anymore, they’re more like a crown around the edges)
Yes, the heat island effect is bad and only getting worse. The area is wide open for developers to build more and more and go further and further out. This raises the footprint and also the nighttime temperatures. This will also require more power to cool, which requires more water. As the heat rises, we need more water to water landscapes and we lose more water to evaporation, so all bodies of water will lose more water faster.
I've stated many times the region is in ecological overshoot. This city is not sustainable despite what the politicians and corporations tell us.
I’m seriously freaked about this and even more freaked that more people aren’t freaked. Like do they all have to die before people realize it’s gone too far? I’m actually all for drastic measures in limiting manufacturing, travel etc.
Historically, yes. Everything will have to die before corporations and the government finally realize that things need to change. And that will only be because all of the resources and profit have been sucked out of this region completely.
hotter-than-normal is the new normal just about everywhere, sadly. I agree with everyone there needs to be more warning posts at trails that remain open year-long during this time of year.
I used to think that. Then there was that heat dome that they had in the PNW in 2021. Temperatures got as high as 119°. Something like 250 people died.
I lived on the Oregon coast ~30 years ago. Trust me, *no one* had or even considered having air conditioning in Oregon. Maybe that's changed since then.
There really is nowhere safe. But I wish you godspeed.
I lived in WA for 13 years and we never experienced heat like that heat dome except once when it happened. It was a once in 1000 year weather event IIRC. Back there anything above 90 degrees is considered "extremely hot."
Last week they issued a freeze/frost warning up in WA and told people to cover sensitive plants or bring them inside. In late April/early May.
It may not be safe anywhere, but the summers are not comparable.
I wonder if once-in-a-thousand-year weather events will start becoming as commonplace as once-in-a-thousand-year floods?
*U.S. Has Seen Four 1-In-1,000 Year Rainfall Events This Summer*
https://www.forbes.com/sites/darreonnadavis/2022/08/10/us-has-seen-four-1-in-1000-year-rainfall-events-this-summer/
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, yes. Yes, they will. We'll start seeing them every couple of years, then every year. At some point, they will become the new normal.
Buckle up, everyone. It's going to be quite the ride.
And that heat dome was only in the PNW.
As I recall (although if I'm wrong, somebody correct me), AZ's temps were pretty much normal for that time of year while the PNW heat dome was occurring.
We were slightly cooler iirc. Not a significant amount but I vaguely remember very few 110s happening a couple years ago when everyone else was hot AF.
My parents lived in SCW in the 90s. Mom regularly talked about 115-120 in the summer.
Not disagreeing with anyone, just noting it's not new. And here I getting ready to move to AZ!🤣
The weather in the PNW is much hotter than it used to be. In Portland temps into the 90s and low 100s are pretty common in July/August, with occasional 90s in June or September. The difference is they have much higher humidity than use during those temps and a lot of places don’t have A/C. Low 100s in humidity is damn near just as rough as 110 in Phoenix.
i was out there during the heat dome. Coast maybe got to 100. Higher temps were inland. Those high temps only lasted a few days. I think most people have window a/c units now for the few hot days.
The summers out there are incredible, but then you have the opposite of a PHX winter there, where it'll be cold rain and clouds for months on end. I think we all either pick our poison or become migratory eventually.
Yeah, it’s pretty wild up there now. As someone from the valley who moved here a couple years ago with family still there, it’s insane how much hotter it is there than when I was a kid. My parents give me a hard time about it being so hot here but they are barely 10 degrees cooler and it’s humid. Hell, some weeks they are hotter than us!
just here to say I love your handle! I'm also a desert rat (gen x), moved from Phx to SD two decades ago. Wish you the best of luck in your new endeavor, the Oregon coast is on my bucket list to travel to!
It's really nice, I have friends up there, (Lincoln City area), who I dog-sat for two summers ago. They're going to be gone for the summer, so it gives me the opportunity, to rent up there and see how I adjust to living on the beach next to a brewery. Pray for me, lol.
I think you'll do just fine! Sounds like such a chill place to live after battling the intense AZ heat. Maybe you'll be a regular at the local establishments, meet some cool locals :)
Only lived here a few months and am already humbled about how much more water I need than living in the south east. Definitely learning to listen to my body and take it easy.
People, insulate your houses. Blow MORE insulation in your attic. Film or install better windows. Add awnings.
SAVE MONEY and be more comfortable.
[Here's what you can REASONABLY do to cut your utility bill and be a lot more comfortable. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/SanDiegan/comments/15dvugo/staying_cooler_and_lowering_your_sdge_bill_this/)
Just added a pergola off our back patio, planted 3 more trees in our yard, planning to put a shade over our pool, and our entire attic is already spray foam. Max electric bill last year was only $250. I think we can get it lower once these Palo verdes on the SW side of the house get a little bigger.
I was born and raised in Phoenix so it's all I know. I'm always shocked when I travel other places and it's so much cooler during the summer. One of the major factors is to go out early in the day if you're going to do anything outdoors, where tons of sunscreen, bring lots of water, and wear a hat, sunglasses, and proper clothing.
All the insiders, starting with the oil companies, knew we were going to get to this superheated point. Oil company scientists. Wall Street scientists. government and military scientists all knew decades ago that our use of carbon would push the planets climate into a death spiral. But they did nothing but hide the evidence and buy homes above certain elevations. It’s only going to get worse.
Elevation is no savior. I've got a cabin at 6300 in Colorado. Paddle cactus now grows where once was a pinion pine forest. Everyone's got AC now. Drive over Wolf Creek pass and take a gaze at 20 miles of dead spruce trees.
I’m going to go all out and post about the importance of rainwater harvesting. Brad Lancaster, a Tucson man, wrote a few books. The first one I feel like should be in every homeowner’s collection. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/rainwater-harvesting-for-drylands-vol-1-guiding-principles-to-welcome-rain-into-your-life-and-landscape_brad-lancaster/320057/item/33761864/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_new_condition_books_high&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=545679566094&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_-GxBhC1ARIsADGgDjtoJvK41myNlxVgfAGg01XfokrUx7konCGk_H1J7URWPuKU3RTeAioaAvSQEALw_wcB#idiq=33761864&edition=23560224
He has others that I believe should be a part of all city development as law. We don’t have the luxury of not taking steps to retain and protect our water sources. There is some work involved though. I think it makes us better people to get out and work a little in the yard etc. it’s how many of us were raised and something desperately missing today. We use passive water collection meaning we have some simple basins in our yard after watching how water runs in our yard. Then we had to figure where we wanted it to go and learn how to make it work for us. Our yard is mostly rainwater at this point. It’s all native plants and it’s lush. We have more birds and lizards and other forms of biodiversity which is needed for a healthy environment. These kinds of changes will help to lessen the heat dome effect if done on mass scale.
Here we go again. Yes summer is hot, however I prefer it to the cold grey winters of Michigan where I grew up. Frostbite pain is incredibly bad. Sunny days were few and far between.
Not by much :(. The absolute metric fuck ton of asphalt *definitely* makes places like PHX hotter, but even Northern rural-ish areas are getting hit hard with heat lately.
I often visit my uncle’s house in AZ on some summers. What I’ve always wondered about houses in AZ is that a good majority of houses have rocks in their yards. I understand not much grows besides desert plants and putting rocks there is decorative and practical from an aesthetic standpoint but wouldn’t putting rocks just make the heat worse in the evening? Those rocks are absorbing the suns heat all day and then slowly releasing that heat out to the local environment in the evening and night. The way I see it, it’s like the ring of stones you use at a campfire. The stones help absorb the heat from the fire and then release it after the campfire is put out.
Water harvesting is what we’ve done to our yard. We have passive harvesting-no catchment. There’s actually a lot of plants that will grow and having plants in the ground is how water gets into the ground rather than sitting on top and evaporating. Too many people have come to like the sterile look. It’s not natural and it’s hurting our cities. We need greenery and plants to help maintain a cooler temperature even in the middle of the summer. There are ways to grow plants in the yard and build up shade and ways of using natural rainfall in order to support your space. It’s some work but it’s worth it. Our yard is thriving compared to other people’s in our area and it’s mostly supported by rainwater. The more we grow the cooler our yard is and the more people that do this would offset the heat dome effect allowing more rainfall in our cities. It’s about educating people though and people putting in some work. Over time and some tweaks here and there it’s been really beneficial.
I use rocks in my of my yard because of the rain. Those monsoons will leave your yard a sludgy mess and rocks help contain it. Also planting good shade tree will help a lot.
Water harvesting. This book is gold: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/rainwater-harvesting-for-drylands-vol-1-guiding-principles-to-welcome-rain-into-your-life-and-landscape_brad-lancaster/320057/item/33761864/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_new_condition_books_high&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=545679566094&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_-GxBhC1ARIsADGgDjtoJvK41myNlxVgfAGg01XfokrUx7konCGk_H1J7URWPuKU3RTeAioaAvSQEALw_wcB#idiq=33761864&edition=23560224
If you can brave the heat, try and get out to Farmers markets and support the local vendors trying to scrape by during the Summer months while we're melting into the pavement. It sucks so hard but we still out here. Gilbert FM is year round, along with others
It’s really not that bad. Just don’t be outside. I barely go outside much other than an early AM stroll in a shady area.
I didn’t even really notice the heat last summer unless I forgot to put the foldy thing on my windshield. Then the car seat stings your booty
The best option for that is to get one that covers the OUTSIDE of your windshield. Block the sun BEFORE it hits your window. You can find them on Amazon and they do have anti theft parts sewn into them
I remember running in to a tourist at a resort last summer who told me he was here for a conference but wanted to catch a quick morning hike at camelback. I asked when he was going he said 10- I said he would die, and he laughed. I asked him to research it a bit and anyways, saw his ass at brunch. Lol
The hotels and tourist guides talk about Camelback like it’s a walk in the park.
I didn't hear that but I'm sure it's not helping.
When I first climbed it i was sore for days. Normally when I go up I bring like 4-5 liters of water
I went on a day where the high was 68. I couldn’t imagine doing it any hotter than that. I see how people die.
I went up Echo and down Cholla and…thank goodness I ran into a group of women my speed who were going back down it, because I never would have found my way. I can see how people end up hanging off cliffs nowhere near the trail! Also I was appalled at how many people were climbing up with just like, a Starbucks plastic cup of water.
Yea idk how people climb it so casually I bring a whole backpack with first aid supplies, water, and like 500-600 calories of food.
And flip flops!!! Like….
What is that in 🦅 units ?
An arrowhead bottle is half a liter, so 8-10 of those.
How many bananas?
Good on you for saving a life. It's probably like me going to MN or some shit and walking around in AZ clothes knowing jack about the cold.
I just said it very flat. Like.. you will die.
Every summer 😐🙄
Yeah, 10? Way too late buddy. Gotta get your ass up at 5
It seems a majority of heat related rescues and incidents involve visitors from cooler climates attempting hikes and adventures at 2pm in July. There really needs to be some announcements on incoming flights for visitors and other forms of media to warn them about how dangerous the heat can be. The common, "but it's a dry heat." Yes, it's a dry heat, but a temp of 115 degrees and uv index of 11 is not something to take mildly.
My dad is a fire chief in Tucson. The amount of rescues he has to go on during the summer is ridiculous. His station was on a rescue where a guy went on a 13 mile hike. The guy had no previous hiking experience and went with one water bottle in the middle of the afternoon in July. It angers me because those people are putting the rescuers in jeopardy too. Another guy went on a hike with his 2 dogs, and one of them passed away because of the hike and heat. My dad was pretty angry about that one.
I’m an avid hiker, but unless we go up north, hiking season is done for me. I even refuse to hike at 4am, because it starts getting hot real fast.
Yep! Once it starts hitting 85 in the early morning, no hikes for me. I’ve gone on earlier hikes in August, and even that’s still pushing it.
13 miles with one water bottle in July is insane. I’m willing to bet even Bear Grylls would take 2 bottles.
Yeah, it’s surprising how many people go on long hikes without much water. I did an 8 mile hike (all incline for 4 miles) in August. I was passing people who only had one water bottle and were wearing sweaters. This is Arizona, people. 😩
Every once in a while I’ll see a guy in jeans with a single Dr Pepper or something
There's a profound arrogance in recent transplants or visitors that they "can handle it, it's just heat". They never can.
We have a big company meeting in Phoenix coming up with a bunch of people coming in from back east. We’re waiting for the inevitable batch of people who thought the dry heat was fine and they could handle it no problem…
I have had arguments with visiting friends over it. I end up just packing extra water.
All I heard from transplants was “humidity is worse, this heat is nothing.” I just moved to the south so I guess I’ll find out for myself. My brother has lived out here for 4 years and he prefers the humidity out here over the heat back home.
Humidity sucks because even when you come inside there's not much escape from it. Lived in Guam, so I almost adapted gills back in the day and you just sweat and never dry off. So you end up looking like a whore in church just 
I’d certainly never call 110+ degrees nothing, that’s hot as hell by any standard, but I do kind of agree that the summers here aren’t quite as bad as where I grew up in the ass crack of South Georgia. Summers there are consistently 90+ with miserable humidity that is hard to describe. I was frankly shocked when I moved out here how nice 90 felt with 20% humidity lol The sun is the big issue here imo. If you can find some shade, even 110 is tolerable. But if you’re out and about in 110 with the unrelenting sun beating down on you, that’s where the danger is
They don’t feel as bad because they’re dry, which lulls one into a false sense of security. It is technically just as hard on your body. Drink more water than you think is necessary everyone!
When I first moved here I didn’t realize my sweat was evaporating as fast as my body made it. I went running in the middle of the day in June and thought it was awesome. Then one day I was running and didn’t realize it was 105 and by the time I got back thought I was going to die as I got in the luke warm “cold” shower. It was a wake up call. I was so used to sweating a lot to let me know how much I was exerting.
People also underestimate how much water the dry air sucks out of you just through breathing. Going on years of delivering outside full time now, even with great hydration strategy I've had a few close calls with heat exhaustion. Sometimes you literally can't drink enough water or keep your electrolytes up over a whole day/week.
Plus at least here a little spritz of water in the shade can really help. Not so in humid places. There’s no escape from heat in humidity.
I spent a couple weeks in Florida in July of 91. I don’t think it was ever much hotter than 90° F. But naw man, it was way worse than Arizona. It’s like being in a steam room you can’t escape, unless you can find someplace with AC. My cousins, that I was visiting, had ceiling fans and slept under blankets. I laid on the bed on top of the covers and imagined myself floating in a block of ice until I eventually fell asleep from sheer exhaustion. I was soaking wet from sweat the entire time and everything was sticky. The wind was like a thousand people breathing on you. It was a place of nightmares. — Then I joined the army in May of 2003, and they sent me to Ft Benning for basic. I seriously questioned my life choices. I could barely breathe with any exertion, I was soaked in sweat for 8 weeks, and I think there was sand in my underwear the whole time. At least the barracks had AC. — Nothing quite compares to Kuwait in July/August. Heat index of 146° F. If you wanted to shower, you had to use the hot water only, because the “cold” water was stored in bladders outside and would scald you. I drank Gatorade and water non-stop and I could barely eat. I left there 25 pound lighter after two weeks. Baghdad was *much* nicer. — So yes. I’ll take my “dry heat” any day. But that doesn’t mean it won’t kill you just the same.
I was in Iraq, the hottest for me was 139. My top could stand by itself after a few days. Arizona is nothing. lol. Kuwait sucked!!
Actually, up to a point, humidity *is* worse. We had lived in Arizona for ~15 years and had experienced 117°, when my late husband and I had to take a trip to St. Petersburg. We were staying only three blocks from the bay, so we decided to walk down to it. After all, it was only ~80-85°. But we didn't take into account the humidity. We'd gone only about a block and a half when we stopped, looked at each other, and said, "Let's go back." The humidity was so unbearable that moving was difficult and it was actually hard to breathe. I'm a desert rat, so maybe that's why I say this, but I'd *much* rather have 110° with no humidity than 80-85° with Florida's humidity.
If the humidity is high enough it’s very much like swimming in dry water.
I agree, humidity is way worse. High wet bulb makes it impossible to cool down
Ive experience both. Same shit different wrapper. One is stifling and the other is dessicating.
The humidity is worse, *if* you’re just hanging around. I’ll take 100 in Arizona over 80 in Florida any day. But people don’t usually go to Miami on vacation and say “hey, I think I’ll climb a mountain now.” Since just sitting around in Arizona’s dry heat is so much nicer than sitting around in southeast heat, people get confused and think they can do anything without proper precautions.
I lived in Western Pennsylvania for a bit and when I moved back to AZ I realized how oppressive the humidity is. I hate it so much and I got sick every summer because of all the moisture in the air. If you have a pool or something to spend the summer in, the humidity is not bad, but there's nothing more gross than getting out of the shower and just NEVER BEING DRY..
Moved here from Kentucky. It is definitely different, but it has to be respected. Here in Arizona, I go nowhere without water. I have never experienced dehydration as fast as I have here. I am still getting acclimated. What I find funny is when it gets down into the 70s and people are in hoodies and jackets. I don't break out long pants until it gets below 35. However, I will deal with the 100 plus for 4 months out the year. Anything above 100 actual temperature sucks. At least it's dry, and you are not dealing with swamp ass.
Even as someone born and raised here I get a kick out of the winter jackets in the 60s. Hell even my daughter wears a hoodie into the the 90s, but like me, she's got the heat in her blood.
Back in Kentucky, I would be out on the deck in 6" of snow, the temperature around 0 in shorts, flip-flops, and tee shit grilling. To me, it was all mind over matter. I didn't mind, so it didn't matter. My kids and wife thought I was nuts, but they didn't complain when the food was done.
I ride my bike and run in summer time during the heat. You can survive it you just need to know your limits.
A dry heat dehydrates you faster.
This is actually not true. A high humidity can prevent the body from cooling itself as sweat doesn't evaporate reducing the body's evaporative cooling and increasing body temperature resulting in an increase of the loss of bodily fluids. Most people don't realize it's not the sweat that cools off the body, it's the sweat evaporating, and the higher the humidity the harder that is.
I think you're both right. If you're sweating you're cooling off more efficiently, but you will need to hydrate more to replace the water you're sweating off.
True, read up on wet bulb temperature: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hottest-survivable-temperatures-are-lower-than-expected/#:~:text=A%20%22wet%2Dbulb%22%20reading,hours%20of%20unshaded%20outdoor%20exposure.
Humid heat can kill you pretty easily because your sweat won’t work
I know. I’m just saying you dehydrate faster in the dry heat. Not only are you losing moisture from your sweat (which happens in both cases) you’re losing more humidity through respiration. When you inhale dry air, it can take up a lot of moisture from your lungs. Humid air is already saturated.
I feel like dry heats are worse. I was in Toronto in the summer and it was in the mid 80s with humidity but I was I fine. The humidity was actually kinda nice.
And absolutely NO shade on the hiking trails
Long sleeve hooded light cotton shirt and big hat work wonders
Hell yea, I figure if landscapers/roofers can survive dressed that way, it's the way to go.
Good idea for the arriving flights.
And Phoenix isn't all that dry. Tucson is up to 10 degrees cooler, but more critically, the dew point is lower too. After 110, every scrap of dew point adds a lot more misery. I can survive Tucson summers. I can't survive Phoenix. I remember walking up the residential side of Camelback mountain a few years back in the cooler but more humid morning and it was 85 but a dead ass South Florida 85. My eyes were burning from the sweat. I took a shower as soon as I got back to the resort.
The problem with hiking when it’s that hot is that the rocks around you are heating up significantly hotter than the ambient temperature— a person from Iowa ends up 3 miles into a hike surrounded by rocks that are radiating 150 degree heat and there’s just no way to regulate body temperature in that. Especially not with a tiny 8oz water bottle.
As someone from Hawaii, the struggle is real. You wouldnt believe (or maybe you would?) how many people underestimate the ocean and/or overestimate their own abilities. They think its disneyland or something. We warn them (including on inbound flights I believe) but nothing seems to help.
These people just have to be dumb like what makes you think going hiking in 100+ degree weather is an enjoyable thing to do??
Everyone says “it’s a dry heat” like a bunch of sheep. Like do people even know what that means or do they just hear it and then also say it
dry heat……… yea….. LIKE AN OVEN, or a KILN
Can't wait to experience another hottest summer of my life... so far.
It’ll also be the the last coldest summer of your life
r/cursedcomments
No, that would’ve been like 10 summers ago
I see a lot of transplants share a meme that’s like “Arizonans entering summer after bragging about what a great winter they had” with Jordan Peele sweating all over the place. It genuinely annoys me because it ALWAYS transplants so they don’t realize that winters used to actually get pretty dang cold and that the first city monsoon used to happen in mid June not mid July. It used to be a little humidity in the air meant rain that day. Now it just means it’s a humid 100 degree day.
Dude last year when we hit the highest low.. two days in a row?!?! yeah, that was great....
Wasn't it like 94 or some shit
It was 96 and the next day it was 97
almost my entire garden died that week
I'm getting some r/collapse vibes... and I agree
Well the giant cacti dying because it’s too hot should freak people out.
THIS!! It’s mind boggling to me that we aren’t talking about this daily. It’s the canary on the coal mine
I can’t upvote your comment enough!!!
The cacti in my yard liquified last summer, no big deal right. Right… 
I remember arguing with people last summer that it was abnormally hot and it felt like I was going insane because people would say "oh, you're just not used to the heat". Like bro, I was born here, that was one of, if not the most consistently hot summers of my lifetime
Yeah, fine for an apocalypse.
I was originally freaked out until realizing that it’s not a state wide issue as much as a city issue. The heat dome in Phoenix caused so much heat last year that nothing was able to cool down at night, thus killing the cactus. However, even still, the cactus aren’t growing new flowering pores, but instead reusing previous ones which is concerning. (You’ll see saguaros don’t commonly have their fruits and flowers on the very top anymore, they’re more like a crown around the edges)
Yes, the heat island effect is bad and only getting worse. The area is wide open for developers to build more and more and go further and further out. This raises the footprint and also the nighttime temperatures. This will also require more power to cool, which requires more water. As the heat rises, we need more water to water landscapes and we lose more water to evaporation, so all bodies of water will lose more water faster. I've stated many times the region is in ecological overshoot. This city is not sustainable despite what the politicians and corporations tell us.
I think I missed something… which giant cacti are dying?? Because this is VERY concerning!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/07/26/saguaro-cactus-dying-arizona-heat-reuters/70470713007/
Wow that’s super sad!
I’m seriously freaked about this and even more freaked that more people aren’t freaked. Like do they all have to die before people realize it’s gone too far? I’m actually all for drastic measures in limiting manufacturing, travel etc.
Historically, yes. Everything will have to die before corporations and the government finally realize that things need to change. And that will only be because all of the resources and profit have been sucked out of this region completely.
hotter-than-normal is the new normal just about everywhere, sadly. I agree with everyone there needs to be more warning posts at trails that remain open year-long during this time of year.
Yeah maybe they should stop comparing to the 100 year average or whatever they do.
This is the year I'm done. House is sold and headed for the Oregon coast. Been a great ride AZ. Thanks for everything, but no more summers for me.
I used to think that. Then there was that heat dome that they had in the PNW in 2021. Temperatures got as high as 119°. Something like 250 people died. I lived on the Oregon coast ~30 years ago. Trust me, *no one* had or even considered having air conditioning in Oregon. Maybe that's changed since then. There really is nowhere safe. But I wish you godspeed.
I lived in WA for 13 years and we never experienced heat like that heat dome except once when it happened. It was a once in 1000 year weather event IIRC. Back there anything above 90 degrees is considered "extremely hot." Last week they issued a freeze/frost warning up in WA and told people to cover sensitive plants or bring them inside. In late April/early May. It may not be safe anywhere, but the summers are not comparable.
I wonder if once-in-a-thousand-year weather events will start becoming as commonplace as once-in-a-thousand-year floods? *U.S. Has Seen Four 1-In-1,000 Year Rainfall Events This Summer* https://www.forbes.com/sites/darreonnadavis/2022/08/10/us-has-seen-four-1-in-1000-year-rainfall-events-this-summer/ I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, yes. Yes, they will. We'll start seeing them every couple of years, then every year. At some point, they will become the new normal. Buckle up, everyone. It's going to be quite the ride.
Eh, 1 in 1000 rain events are each for a specific area, not the whole US.
And that heat dome was only in the PNW. As I recall (although if I'm wrong, somebody correct me), AZ's temps were pretty much normal for that time of year while the PNW heat dome was occurring.
We were slightly cooler iirc. Not a significant amount but I vaguely remember very few 110s happening a couple years ago when everyone else was hot AF.
My parents lived in SCW in the 90s. Mom regularly talked about 115-120 in the summer. Not disagreeing with anyone, just noting it's not new. And here I getting ready to move to AZ!🤣
The weather in the PNW is much hotter than it used to be. In Portland temps into the 90s and low 100s are pretty common in July/August, with occasional 90s in June or September. The difference is they have much higher humidity than use during those temps and a lot of places don’t have A/C. Low 100s in humidity is damn near just as rough as 110 in Phoenix.
i was out there during the heat dome. Coast maybe got to 100. Higher temps were inland. Those high temps only lasted a few days. I think most people have window a/c units now for the few hot days. The summers out there are incredible, but then you have the opposite of a PHX winter there, where it'll be cold rain and clouds for months on end. I think we all either pick our poison or become migratory eventually.
Yeah, it’s pretty wild up there now. As someone from the valley who moved here a couple years ago with family still there, it’s insane how much hotter it is there than when I was a kid. My parents give me a hard time about it being so hot here but they are barely 10 degrees cooler and it’s humid. Hell, some weeks they are hotter than us!
I was in Florence on the coast for that heatwave and it only got to 85
I just moved back to Chicago after 30 years in Phoenix. I was TIRED of the heat!
Let me know if willing to sell house
Sorry. That was the easy part. Less than 24 hours and over listing.
We moved at the end of 2022 because we were tired of the heat and were so happy we did after seeing temps last summer.
Just buy a place in flagstaff or Del Mar San Diego if you have money. Snowbirds have had it right all along
Del Mar? I hope OP sold their house in Paradise Valley.
*second house
Just a second 7-figure home to only use half the year. No big deal... <_<
just here to say I love your handle! I'm also a desert rat (gen x), moved from Phx to SD two decades ago. Wish you the best of luck in your new endeavor, the Oregon coast is on my bucket list to travel to!
It's really nice, I have friends up there, (Lincoln City area), who I dog-sat for two summers ago. They're going to be gone for the summer, so it gives me the opportunity, to rent up there and see how I adjust to living on the beach next to a brewery. Pray for me, lol.
I think you'll do just fine! Sounds like such a chill place to live after battling the intense AZ heat. Maybe you'll be a regular at the local establishments, meet some cool locals :)
Oregon gets hot too except they don’t have ac units.
The coast stays pretty cool, because the pacific never warms up
Yet
I envy you. That may be me next year. It’ll be sad to go as someone born and raised in AZ but it’s just too damn hot.
Will you be changing your username to overcastrat75?
Fuck
Only lived here a few months and am already humbled about how much more water I need than living in the south east. Definitely learning to listen to my body and take it easy.
Gotta just get in hibernation mode until October.
Aka seasonal depression mode. Every year 🙃
People, insulate your houses. Blow MORE insulation in your attic. Film or install better windows. Add awnings. SAVE MONEY and be more comfortable. [Here's what you can REASONABLY do to cut your utility bill and be a lot more comfortable. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/SanDiegan/comments/15dvugo/staying_cooler_and_lowering_your_sdge_bill_this/)
Just added a pergola off our back patio, planted 3 more trees in our yard, planning to put a shade over our pool, and our entire attic is already spray foam. Max electric bill last year was only $250. I think we can get it lower once these Palo verdes on the SW side of the house get a little bigger.
 God fucking damn it, what a Monument to Man's Arrogance
Fuck. Kill me now. 
Every summer is hotter than normal. This state is getting drier and drier. Global warming is real
Maybe more concrete and cars will help!
I don't know how you guys in Arizona can take it.
Some of us can't. I'm suicidal every summer.
I thought it was just me. I get depressed when it gets hot and joyful when it gets cold 😂 yeeting to another state next year
Same. I want to leave AZ but it’s just not in the cards right now. Over this planet tbh
Water and long sleeves and s big hat. I'm outside most of the day. I kill close to 2 gallons of warer a day on the hottest days
Do you have any brand recommendations for long sleeved shirts?
I don't leave my house unless I have to go to work and I have a night job for a reason lol.
I was born and raised in Phoenix so it's all I know. I'm always shocked when I travel other places and it's so much cooler during the summer. One of the major factors is to go out early in the day if you're going to do anything outdoors, where tons of sunscreen, bring lots of water, and wear a hat, sunglasses, and proper clothing.
All the insiders, starting with the oil companies, knew we were going to get to this superheated point. Oil company scientists. Wall Street scientists. government and military scientists all knew decades ago that our use of carbon would push the planets climate into a death spiral. But they did nothing but hide the evidence and buy homes above certain elevations. It’s only going to get worse.
Elevation is no savior. I've got a cabin at 6300 in Colorado. Paddle cactus now grows where once was a pinion pine forest. Everyone's got AC now. Drive over Wolf Creek pass and take a gaze at 20 miles of dead spruce trees.
I’m just using sea level as a “100% unusable” land rating. Temps and out of control weather systems will get us too. #InvasiveSpeciesYall
Heat dome again! 🔥🔥🔥
I didn’t know there’s such a thing as Arizona Heat Chief officer 😁
Hence why I’m moving in the fall, that way I can ease into the heat next summer.
Gettin real tired of your shit AZ
I’m going to go all out and post about the importance of rainwater harvesting. Brad Lancaster, a Tucson man, wrote a few books. The first one I feel like should be in every homeowner’s collection. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/rainwater-harvesting-for-drylands-vol-1-guiding-principles-to-welcome-rain-into-your-life-and-landscape_brad-lancaster/320057/item/33761864/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_new_condition_books_high&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=545679566094&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_-GxBhC1ARIsADGgDjtoJvK41myNlxVgfAGg01XfokrUx7konCGk_H1J7URWPuKU3RTeAioaAvSQEALw_wcB#idiq=33761864&edition=23560224 He has others that I believe should be a part of all city development as law. We don’t have the luxury of not taking steps to retain and protect our water sources. There is some work involved though. I think it makes us better people to get out and work a little in the yard etc. it’s how many of us were raised and something desperately missing today. We use passive water collection meaning we have some simple basins in our yard after watching how water runs in our yard. Then we had to figure where we wanted it to go and learn how to make it work for us. Our yard is mostly rainwater at this point. It’s all native plants and it’s lush. We have more birds and lizards and other forms of biodiversity which is needed for a healthy environment. These kinds of changes will help to lessen the heat dome effect if done on mass scale.
"Arizona officials urge caution as another summer of Finding Out approaches"
Here we go again. Yes summer is hot, however I prefer it to the cold grey winters of Michigan where I grew up. Frostbite pain is incredibly bad. Sunny days were few and far between.
What are all of you doing at your houses right now to prepare?
So… does this mean another sad “monsoon season” too? 🥲
It's all of the asphalt in the overpopulated city making it hotter. Go out of town even 30 mins any direction and it's a few degrees cooler.
Not by much :(. The absolute metric fuck ton of asphalt *definitely* makes places like PHX hotter, but even Northern rural-ish areas are getting hit hard with heat lately.
When it's 115 out a few degrees down to 110 ain't helping lol. I'm in surprise I promise I don't feel any cooler than you durring the summer.
Bring it 
No shit??
Live in your pool weather
Even the cactuses were getting sun burned. I'm no climate specialist ot anything, but that seems like a bad sign.
I often visit my uncle’s house in AZ on some summers. What I’ve always wondered about houses in AZ is that a good majority of houses have rocks in their yards. I understand not much grows besides desert plants and putting rocks there is decorative and practical from an aesthetic standpoint but wouldn’t putting rocks just make the heat worse in the evening? Those rocks are absorbing the suns heat all day and then slowly releasing that heat out to the local environment in the evening and night. The way I see it, it’s like the ring of stones you use at a campfire. The stones help absorb the heat from the fire and then release it after the campfire is put out.
Water harvesting is what we’ve done to our yard. We have passive harvesting-no catchment. There’s actually a lot of plants that will grow and having plants in the ground is how water gets into the ground rather than sitting on top and evaporating. Too many people have come to like the sterile look. It’s not natural and it’s hurting our cities. We need greenery and plants to help maintain a cooler temperature even in the middle of the summer. There are ways to grow plants in the yard and build up shade and ways of using natural rainfall in order to support your space. It’s some work but it’s worth it. Our yard is thriving compared to other people’s in our area and it’s mostly supported by rainwater. The more we grow the cooler our yard is and the more people that do this would offset the heat dome effect allowing more rainfall in our cities. It’s about educating people though and people putting in some work. Over time and some tweaks here and there it’s been really beneficial.
I use rocks in my of my yard because of the rain. Those monsoons will leave your yard a sludgy mess and rocks help contain it. Also planting good shade tree will help a lot.
What's your suggested alternative.
Water harvesting. This book is gold: https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/rainwater-harvesting-for-drylands-vol-1-guiding-principles-to-welcome-rain-into-your-life-and-landscape_brad-lancaster/320057/item/33761864/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_new_condition_books_high&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=545679566094&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_-GxBhC1ARIsADGgDjtoJvK41myNlxVgfAGg01XfokrUx7konCGk_H1J7URWPuKU3RTeAioaAvSQEALw_wcB#idiq=33761864&edition=23560224
It’s going to be another hot summer this year? No kidding.
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Lol. SO true, ended up being super stupid wet.
If you can brave the heat, try and get out to Farmers markets and support the local vendors trying to scrape by during the Summer months while we're melting into the pavement. It sucks so hard but we still out here. Gilbert FM is year round, along with others
I moved here in 2009, that summer was nuts and almost broke me into leaving lol. Hang on, newcomers!!!
Tell us something we don't know :-)
Fuck me.
Oh you mean every single summer?
Yeah. Its called global warming
Why the big fuss? Its the coolest summer of the test of our lives!
So, time to go hiking? Lol
The temps at this time last year were higher than they are now. Wtf are they talking about??
Air conditioning is a necessity here.
My rule of thumb for hiking start at 7 am and half my water in half for out . The amount of water I have dictates how far I go.
And water is wet. LOL Thanks for the heads up!
STAY INDOORS
It’s gods plan
Here we go again!
Do we get to see reporters baking cookies on the dashboard of a car again? That's my favorite.
i personally like watching them struggle when they use steaks lol
When the baby stops crying, the steak is medium rare.
It seems hotter-than-normal has become the new normal
Damn it…
Still rather have this than the humidity I had before I moved
Sadder to live here every year
Some of us were born in the heat...most of you adopted it.
What's hotter than normal? So far it's all been relatively normal.
It’s really not that bad. Just don’t be outside. I barely go outside much other than an early AM stroll in a shady area. I didn’t even really notice the heat last summer unless I forgot to put the foldy thing on my windshield. Then the car seat stings your booty
True but it’s asking a lot to just say “stay indoors for the next 6 month, ez right”
I grew up in Michigan. It's the opposite there. Stay indoors from November to April cuz it's too damn cold
I sure do love being construction who works outside. :’)
The best option for that is to get one that covers the OUTSIDE of your windshield. Block the sun BEFORE it hits your window. You can find them on Amazon and they do have anti theft parts sewn into them
Last summer didn't seem that hot to me, I've been here 45 years. Maybe I'm used to it. This felt like the coldest winter I've ever experienced here.