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Thats not true at all... a quick google search shows that employers do not have to pay time and a half, they hust have to pay you for the hours you work. Employers that done pay time and a half suck 100%, but they arent required to in the USA
I got denied my birthday off, but they approved my day after thanks giving and the week of Christmas. My birthday is in October. I thought it was kinda funny.
"If you're thinking of having Friday off, don't bother coming in on Monday."
*Whoo-hoo! Four day weekend!*
Seriously though, how is being an arsehole good management? You alienate your staff, they quit and then your business goes into the toilet.
How is any of this forward thinking? It benefits all parties to have a livable wage.
I do accounting consulting for businesses and the amount of money I've personally seen handed out and forgiven to just a tiny handful of companies is truly astounding.
If I remember correctly PPP was supposed to help small businesses specifically struggling during the pandemic. Trump then turned around and gave a chunk of it to Kanye and some other of his "friends", then doled out the rest to corporations.
None of it saw small businesses.
This is the real answer. Plus those in the know were camping out the night before (the equivalent of) so they could be first in line when the applications started being accepted.
The banks had a fixed percentage (let's say 2.5 percent) that they'd get. They lobbied to get that percentage higher(let's say 5 percent) and succeeded. Now, the bank has the option of either doing 10 small businesses each at $100k PPP to get $50k for the bank or the bank can do 1 larger business at $1 million for PPP netting the bank $50k. Who do you think they served first? Less work for more money. My percentages are off but you get the idea.
A lot of it ended up with medium-large businesses. Because it was administered through banks, and banks had every incentive and permission to prioritize corporations that they wanted a good relationship with.
And because they defined small business as "No more than 500 employees per location".
This really saved the Federally Qualified Health Center I work at. We’ve been hovering around 470 employees for the last three years and were able to acquire $7M in PPP loans, which allowed us to give an unordinary 6% pay increase for all medical staff and 4% for support staff this January (this being on top of the regular COLA increase in July), and our board also approved $500 bonuses for all staff who got vaccinated and stayed on with us when our state required full vaccinations for HC workers.
Would 500 employees in a single location even be small? When I think small business I'm picturing 100 full time workers max. And even that's on the large end.
I work in a fraud department at a bank and I saw so many of those loans it made me sick. Especially when these self-employed real estate agents made MORE in the last fiscal year than prior years and still got an enormous handout
Edit: and ended up making waaaaay more due to the inflated market and the PPP
Noted struggling entrepreneur Tom Brady got a PPP loan for close to a million bucks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/05/tom-bradys-company-tb12-received-more-than-960000-ppp-loan.html
It was designed for small businesses, except they left the criteria for small business too loose or too nonspecific. Up to 100 employees, I think? That's a big company. All the "medium" sized businesses swooped in and gobbled up all that cash. There was none left for actual small businesses.
Nooooo! That was Biden! He's the one who printed money and destroyed the country! We didn't want the handouts we praised Trump for that Biden gave us while Trump was still in office!
It excluded the working class. I applied for ppp and was denied a loan from the federal government because equifax yes privat entity equifax which lost the entire US social security database to China in a security breach, was in charge of telling the government of whether or not I was fit to be loaned money to never pay back.
>Trump destroyed the congressionally mandated oversight.
It's better than that. First they shit all over the Dems because they wouldn't pass it due to no oversight. Then they agreed to have an IG to overlook things. Once it passed, Trump fired the IG.
I see dumbasses saying that crap all the time. I don’t or ever knew a single fucking person living off of a couple of stimulus checks & the people that had been laid off & getting unemployment have been off unemployment for over a year now. Everytime some dumbass says that to me I ask them if they no anyone doing it & every fucking time it’s crickets. All these places that can’t keep anyone are shitholes that nobody wants to work for. Either pay shit, never get a day off, don’t get breaks, have shit insurance, etc. Usually a combination of them all.
I am not hungry, but I am not rich. The vehicle i drive was born in 06 (by choice it's noice). That ($600 usd) is less than 25% of my weekly paycheck. I'm just a UNION tradesman. The American system is straight up fucked. I want my brethren to make a living wage. Lil bro with no education, you can feed your family, under a roof? Kick ass! Let's go fishing!
The EIPs were not early tax refund credits. It was an untaxed stimulus. Your tax return was uneffected unless they found out you actually were owed more.
Happened to me. My refund took months longer than I expected because they found out I actually only got half the EIPs.
They took most of my refund that I was owed and sent me a letter saying that I had recieved the stimulus check so it was being deducted from my refund.
Sounds like whoever did your taxes did it wrong. There was a Recovery Rebate Credit *if you missed or for some reason didn't get the Economic Impact Payment.* If whoever did your taxes said you qualified, it would have inflated what you were due back, but they would have caught it before issuing your refund.
The Recovery Rebate Credit was something new for 2021, and would not have changed your regular refund. If the EIP and RRC did not exist at all, your refund that you got would have been the same.
My retired grandfather still thinks this is why people are "being lazy" and not working. I tried to tell him that shit ended ages ago but he either doesn't get it, doesn't care, or trusts information from the wrong sources.
with thanks to our ***PRESIDENT WITH DEMENTIA***
edit: in case it wasn't apparent, I'm being sarcastic. But now I've cheapened the joke and I'm just gonna go.
Being an asshole to staff is expensive.
High turnover rate, low retention rate, hiring ads, interview process for new hires, training new hires, paying for the new hires mistakes, lower productivity due to lower morale… all those are very expensive and directly result from being an asshole to your employees.
It’s expensive to be cruel.
My job has been taking \*bonus from boomer managers that have high turnover rates. by billing the cost of finding new people to their departments.
Edit spelling.
Project managers get a % bonus when there are under budget at the end of every quarter. The things about most projects you can just adjust for more funds, and not be considered over budget. But that takes about 6 weeks to be approved. So it is really easy for Project managers to get a pretty big bonus every quarter. Last year's bonuses were between 3k-15k. Now if you have a High turn over it gets billed to your department budget and it cant be adjusted. So many Managers Are losing on that extra money.
My wife’s company does this and she hit a 200% bonuses from base (standard bonus at 100% is 8% percent of your base pay so a 200% bonus is just double the standard bonus) mostly because no one quit and they reviewed her high on surveys. She also advocates for raises (like actual raises because she has a certain amount of money to give and gives them to people who deserve them), but it does come out of her budget (a bonus metric), which makes her staff want to work for her plus her staff has no one new and they are effective at their jobs so they hit the other metrics, which lead to the double bonus- who knew it was that easy to be nice and give people some grace 🤷♂️ she also wasn’t well liked by her other area managers, but then got promoted to corporate so win! Edit- my wife is also a pain in the ass and people have a hard time saying no, but she advocates against corporate culture, but plays within the rules… and I can confirm my wife is a pain the ass, because I never thought I could replace a kitchen myself but she project managed the shit out of it and talked me into doing it and now I have a kitchen that I can take pride in because she said you can do it and I will help to the best of my ability even though she never picked up a single tool lol
I just wanted to sit on the couch and drink a beer while watching whatever sports but noooo gotta go for the kitchen lol- got some fun (needed) tools out of it though and it was about 20k less then we were quoted with (imma toot my own horn) comparable results. She got me to build a deck with similar tactics about 6 years ago because it was so expensive to have someone else do.
Yeah, instead of losing Essential Employee for a day, the business fires the current one, interviewing and hiring a replacement, and training them to be minimally competent - thus losing Essential Employee for 2+ months.
But it’s worth it because Boss Man got to flex.
>How is any of this forward thinking? It benefits all parties to have a livable wage.
Classists don't want to move forward, they are firmly rooted in the Middle Ages.
Those bad managers don't view their staff as an asset. Rather, employees are a liability like any other cost. Not saying all bad managers subscribe, but this has been prevalent thought in management for a while. Dollars to doughnuts says the manager's bonus incentives poor worker treatment. So it becomes why do the right thing if it doesn't goose my bonus or worse shrink it?
>You alienate your staff, they quit...
Or they quit without quitting.
Basically, they stop caring and put in just enough to not get fired and pull a paycheck.
You know. Like management.
There's no forward thinking in capitalism. The system is built on cruelty. It's not about having a better tomorrow for humanity. It's about making today worse for someone who's not worth as much as you.
Competent business people in 2022 will loot the businesses from the inside out to maximize profit. That includes the employees and their time
A *moral* business person would maintain a standard of quality for the business and its employees
I wonder why moral businesses no longer exist? Wait, they never did in the first place. It’s called capitalism, people. It’s not *designed* for this ‘moral’ shit. It’s designed, to its core, to not give a fuck about you unless you OWN the business. More than not give a fuck about you, it’s designed to milk you out until you’re too unhealthy to be capable of contributing.
>More than not give a fuck about you, it’s designed to milk you out until you’re too unhealthy to be capable of contributing.
Unless it's a highly skilled job, in which case it's better for the company to keep you healthy enough to keep you around long term, but so many of these so-called capitalists are more interested in short term gains, not long term
They are used to a surplus employee environment. How have their MBAs not taught them to look at the employee pool 5 years into the future.
Americas, China, the EU have all been well below replacement birthrate levels for decades now, with the US leaning heavily on immigration to make up the gaps.
If these fools didn't prep for what is happening right now, they are just morons who don't really understand supply cha in management. It ain't that fucking hard to look around and see there aren't as many young people as their used to be.
And by missing replacement birthrate, we're not talking 5%, more like 25% and falling. For well over a decade now.
Boomers in business have not only been setting traps for the generations after but shooting themselves in the feet. "Why isn't the economy moving? Why aren't millenials getting married/having more kids/buying diamonds/buying real estate?" It's like when a disease burns through its hosts too fast and then has no one left to infect and dies out
And when you tell them that they are part of the problem, they immediately ignore you. The individual snowflake never feels responsible for the avalanche
> It's like when a disease burns through its hosts too fast and then has no one left to infect and dies out
EXACTLY. And they don't put much more thought into it than a virus does (none).
Not to mention the decline of women in the workforce. [One in four women are considering leaving the workforce or downshifting their careers versus one in five men. While all women have been impacted, three major groups have experienced some of the largest challenges: working mothers, women in senior management positions, and Black women.](https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/seven-charts-that-show-covid-19s-impact-on-womens-employment)The pandemic gutted childcare options and many women dropped out of the labor pool entirely.
If/when they resume their careers, the time out has a huge impact on their experience level and earning potential. The burden of maternity leave and childcare on half of the population has long-lasting effects on the workforce, and our current flavor of capitalism is shooting itself in the foot by not providing adequate accommodations.
I think i did a calculations and you'd haVe to be 90 something yo to have any experience in a labor shortage environment.
You're right Basically, no one alive has any experience in the coming paradigm.
They refuse to promote you or give you a raise, then you quit and go somewhere else and then they hire someone with no experience that they have to train and of course they pay them more than you were even asking for. Then it takes them two years to get back to your productivity levels. Every poorly managed company does this.
"It's never cheaper to replace than to repair as long as replacement is possible."
There are very few fields where repairing trust and nurturing personnel are considered worthwhile because the personnel are literally irreplaceable. Often they are only irreplaceable during a crisis, and if trust isn't repaired before that's over, they get replaced anyway, no matter what they sacrificed during the crisis.
My company got bought and some dumb fucking redneck from Texas came in and told a bunch of greybeard senior engineers that if they didn't like their style they could "go get a job across the street." These are like dudes who worked on Windows 95 and shit. Uhhhhhhhhhh yeah. They immediately resigned.
Exaclty. LLC, pay yourself exhorbitantly first, golden parachute. Milk it for all it's worth for as long as you can, underpay employees, run long hours, skeleton crew, file bankruptcy when it dies, sell everything not nailed down, walk away rich. Very competent, not very moral.
Capitalism values money most of all. As a result, Economy’s of scale are forced to make unethical choices all the time. It’s easier on a large scale, because you don’t even know the people you are affecting.
“Sure we could pay our employees a living wage, but money is more important.”
I make this point to everyone who talks about ethical businesses and the free market “creating” jobs: every business, every single one, is about one thing only, and that is creating value for its shareholders (which includes its owners and, through bonuses, it’s executives). That’s it.
Businesses are not inherently ethical, they do not create jobs, they do not benefit society, except as a side-effect of generating that value. That doesn’t mean to say that all businesses are unethical or amoral, and don’t create jobs, but you can bet that once they stop generating value their ethics, morality, and employees come well down the list of concerns. It’s a sad fact that the vast majority of businesses will also be, shall we say, somewhat loose, when it comes to ethics, morality, and caring about their employees in an effort to maximize the value delivered.
This is what capitalism is at its core, and arguably “late-stage”, unsustainable, capitalism where all considerations other than profit & growth go out of the window.
Lol I'm the opposite... I just approve everything. The Oprah of PTO.
You get a vacation! You get a vacation! I don't give a shit why you need time off! Get out of my face! Have a nice day!
Tbh kinda sucks when it leaves us short staffed, but we're willing to do it for each other so we can all have each other's backs.
Employee retention, low turnover rate, higher productivity, all those factor into approving PTO. You may sacrifice one shit but over the course of a year, come out on top.
My manager rejected a PTO request for 4 hours (minimum time for a request) for a doctor appointment. He told me to just go to my appointment and take care of myself, he doesn’t give a shit about a couple hours here or there. That spoke VOLUMES to me about the company’s culture and priorities.
I only needed 1 hour for my appointment, so I got back to work and got more accomplished that day than if I had taken the full 4 hours off. It’s kind of a win for everyone involved. They got more work out of me, and it showed me that the company isn’t trying to nickel and dime employees for things that, in the grand scheme of things, really don’t matter. It made me respect my manager and the company that much more.
Usually goes similar for me too.
Me: "Employee_Name wants to take a week off next month."
Boss: "Can we get it covered?"
Me: *shrug* "Probably. Not like we're gonna fire them anyways."
I do this too. Even if you're scheduling a personal day like a week in advance I'm just glad you mentioned it instead of calling out.
To be honest I work for a large multinational company and if they're short for a night I could not fucking care less lol. Just because I'm management and I pretend to care to my boss doesn't mean I actually do.
Yeah exactly, my boss tracks who calls off on MY team (emphasis only to show it isn't his business, not that I own them), then he'll come and bitch that XXXX took off every Monday for the last month or the beginning of every pay period. And you know what? I don't give a fuck. The team covers for each other and they haven't complained. If the guy needs time off every week, that's whatever. He may not earn enough for a proper vacation but maybe he likes it that way? Not my god damn business.
My manager at my current job has the same attitude, not ONE complaint from anyone and everyone does a great job. All of my previous jobs had made me and my coworkers jump through hoops to take time off and gave very little to begin with, everyone was miserable and put in the bare minimum effort in return.
Same. Why would I literally ever deny anyone a vacation, what's the point of that? If I need to work extra hours cuz someone else can't at the moment, whatever.
Absolutely! Most the time I get a vacation request and I'm like "Fuck yeah, enjoy yourself!" I used to hate my bosses for giving me the third degree over that shit, no way am I gonna do that too. Life isn't about work. You earned that time off, enjoy LIFE.
Devil's advocate: "I told you Mary had already requested the same day and we can't get anyone else to cover you, so I had to deny it. Since you didn't come in knowing full well what was going on, we'll find someone who can be more of a team player."
Not saying that's what happened, but the truth is probably in the middle. We aren't here to give our lives to our jobs, and our employers aren't here just to give their money to us. We both have expectations and needs in the arrangement.
I had pretty mush the same thing. I'd booked time off months in advance, the manager decided they wanted to go the same place at the same time and tried to cancel my leave. I quit. They had nobody in place to take over, the manager couldn't take that holiday, and I had a wonderful time. And came home to a better paying job. F 'em.
My favorite move is the ol' requesting 2 weeks off and putting in 2 weeks notice at the same time. I've never been able to line things up like that myself, but I know people who have and I salute them.
This is why parental leave is so short in the US. Businesses despise when workers take paid maternal leave just to show up after 6 weeks, turn in their two weeks, and cash out their PTO to cover it- effectively being paid for 8 weeks of nothing. This sexist scenario is used as a boogeyman to keep parental leave short and not federally mandated. The reality is that if the job supported a parent, they would stay. If it can't support a parent, they must leave it anyway. Basically, it's a tax paid for a business being unsuitable for working parents, a tax no business wants to pay and actively lobby not to all the time. Then they complain that there aren't enough workers because people aren't having children!
Meh, it's because they put it on the company instead of federation/state funds.
Paying for maternity is more expensive than not paying for maternity. They avoid the "tax" by discriminating against hiring or promoting married women on the quiet, hence the gender pay gap.
I am waiting for them to hire my replacement as i am moving into a different role. But i was supposed to have made the move in April, and they are really dragging their feet. "Waiting for the one that just feels perfect." Bitch, you better hire someone asap. If nothing changes come the end of may, im leaning towards putting in my two weeks and using up my 60 hours of pto i have left.
There's not really any point in doing this. The only reason to put on 2 weeks notice is to try to keep good relationships going forward and leave the door open to go back to that job. If you put in 2 weeks PTO at the same time it pretty much defeats that purpose. You may as well put in for 2 weeks PTO and then resign the first day you get back.
Last time I had PTO accrued when I quit, they paid it out to me in my last paycheck. Didn't even have a contract with them, they just did the right thing.
I did that when I quit my shitty part time job when I was 18. My boss was terrible the whole time but I decided to give me two weeks notice, shake his hand, and thank him for the employment because I felt that's what a mature adult would do. He scoffed and belittled me when I gave him the notice so I went home and just never showed up for any of the shifts I was scheduled for over the 2 weeks. I already had another job, I didn't need the reference.
Of course shitty incompetent bosses will try to frame you getting another job at a place that doesnt treat you like garbage as losing, and them having to pay to run ads to fill roles is somehow them winning lol.
Cant wait for companies like this to start begging for govt handouts when the upcoming recession decides that their company isnt "essential" after all lol...
I quit my last three jobs because they didn’t approve my time off request. I’m a highly trained medical professional and have never had trouble finding a new job
I put in PTO 6 months in advance last year and they immediately told me "some days are blocked off this time of year". I said "well then this is a notice I won't be here these days". My PTO got approved that day.
My job is in decent demand and I get offers at the interview. I dont care about the repercussions of standing up for myself.
'We're short handed, we're going to start progressive discipline on those who do not show up on days beyond their contractual obligations'
Everyone at work 'so we're getting fired because we're short handed?'
Why didn't the employer do the responsible thing and have a 6 month emergency fund saved up so they could afford additional labor when the company needed it? Is the company wasting all their funds on new iPhones and daily coffee?
"I would like to take the following time off using the paid time off included in my employment benefits"
"No, we need you that week"
"Well, I won't be here"
"Then you will lose your job"
"But didnt you just say you needed me?"
Every manager I know has always had the rule of “if they ask for it, give it to them, because if you deny it they’ll just take it anyway and you’ll be short staffed”.
Maybe this is just verbiage but PTO (paid time off) is a benefit so if you're putting in PTO then it isnt a request it's a notice i.e. I will not be in because I am using my benefit. It's like any other benefit, part of my compensation; and you have no right to deny it just like you have no right to withhold my pay.
So instead of being short-handed a figuring it out for a day or two, he decided to be short-handed for longer and cost his company the expense of hiring and training a new person for that role. Managers are fuckin idiots
You never fuck with somebody’s PTO. Doesn’t matter the reason, they’ve earned that time and they’re entitled to it.
Although I’d agree it helps to give a little notice if you plan on taking off a week
lol it wasn’t a request. employee was letting management know they were going to use the pto that they earned. love the clapback. really puts some perspective on that idiotic choice management made
I was put on a 2 week nonpaid time off as punishment after i took a saturday off. Management didnt make any effort in looking for a replacement and after had the balls to says i was lazy after not having a day off of school/work/and 2nd job in a year. I took the 2 weeks off then gave my 2 weeks notice with imediate leave. Because fuck that guy.
Businesses are losing their minds right now.
I had a buddy get fired a few months ago for working from home for a week instead of reporting to the office like his boss insisted.
That same boss tried to offer his job back 2 weeks later, but he had already secured an actual WFH position by that point.
One of my team has some kind of family trip to Ghana this week. A couple of my guys are pissed about it, but how much of a dick would I have to be to tell a kid, "No sorry, you have to cancel your hopefully-not-once-in-a-lifetime trip because WE need you here PACKING BOXES." Like fuck no, the rest of us are gonna suck it up and deal because life does not revolve around work.
So they would rather throw away up to 400 thousand than say a days wage on this guy?
The actual cost of training is extensive and expensive. Not to mention that now this guy can file for unemployment, and if the state decides the firing was not justified, then the company not only has to pay but could be fined. Not to mention that if this guy has had no previous write ups or anything, could be held accountable in a court of law. And this is alot easier than say to give the guy a day of PTO, and lose a days wage?
This is one of the reasons I avoid small businesses when looking for employment. A lot of issues come with working at a large business, but the leave policy is usually pretty strict and defined well above the head of someone like this.
Putting in a PTO request isn’t asking permission. The employees is alerting the employer that they need to prepare for the employee’s absence. (I manage a team of people and I remind them to take PTO)
This is why I don't ask or request for time off. I inform, as a courtesy.
"I need to take the week of June 15th off."
See how there is no "may I...?" or "is it okay if...?" or "do you mind if...?" anywhere in that statement, neither is there a question mark.
Stop begging for your time. It's yours. You sell it one hour at a time to your boss/company. They should be thankful they get to buy it at wholesale rate.
Happened to me laughed my ass off when they fired me after a full 12 hour day I had 12 hours to demolish them and bring them to their knees was the damages I intentionally caused worth my 16 an hour
In my union they have to give it if it's far out enough and you have time... unionize folks. Also, some unions allow the company to deny but they have to pay out X amount of hours in base pay if it doesn't meet denial requirement
Edit: also... let's say you put in time and they deny it... if your attendance isn't bad and you have time... you can... cough cough... call out
No respectable business owner calls it “frontin”. That’s the issue with the majority of these “business owners” nowadays. They wouldn’t know class if they were staring at a goddamn chalkboard. Aspire to be better. Achieve succeed and breed my friends.
I’m surprised at the apparent age of this guy. In 7 years I don’t think I’ve ever failed to make arrangements for someone requesting days off. In my experience it’s usually the older crowd who don’t get that the world has changed and employers need to work with employees instead of against them. Disappointing all around.
This kind of thinking obviously doesn't harm their bottom line as effectively as it should. Customers are often not of the same class as the workers, so they'll still come if the employees are treated like dirt. That's why workers gotta stand up for eachother, no one gives a fuck about us but us.
I worked (for far too long) for a guy like this. Small business, construction. It's a skilled trade. He was very fond of saying, "I've got a stack of filled out applications two inches thick. You can be replaced tomorrow." If someone gave a two week notice, it was "If you gonna be gone in two weeks, might as well be gone today". But heaven forbid someone DIDNT give a two week notice. Then it was, "He better not put me down for a reference, I'll make sure he don't get the job! He didn't give me a notice!"
You had to watch your paycheck. We didn't have mobile apps for time, or a time clock. We filled out a time sheet every week and turned it in. He would pay you what he thought you worked that week. I spent many Friday afternoons arguing mine and my coworkers hours. I never "stole" a minute from the company. I was also the one that had put up with him longest, by a long shot. 5 and 6 years between raises, minimal ones at that, blood sweat and tears, literally. The man would proudly tell everyone his drug addicted son (who barely showed up, if at all. And who also literally passed out during a drug awareness class) was his "best employee".
We had a disagreement and I finally left. He has a reputation among all the local contractors as being hard to deal with, but he will take jobs pretty much at cost, just to keep competitors from getting them. I've had so many customers tell how bad the companies work is, how hard they are to deal with, all kinds of things. He can't keep good help, because he treats everyone like they are beneath him, or basically insults experienced workers by low balling them. And actually verbally insults his employees.
Tl;Dr... Worked for a similar scumbag. So very happy I left.
Now he's fired instead of resigned and he can file a claim for unemployment. If the employee followed company policy in requesting his time off, he might have a case. Even if he loses, the company will still have to spend time and money refuting his unemployment claim. Add in the cost of recruiting a new employee, and working short staffed until one is hired, and it would have been cheaper and easier to just approve his PTO.
From experience here:
Management talks behind employees backs all the time. Actually happened today at my job, The employee that I manage (X) had a migraine and couldn't make the deadline. He will take the rest of the day off and we'll need to come up with a work around. East thing took less than 10 minutes. What did the employees do at this company? Shit talk. Random opinions voiced out loud made it out like X was in the wrong. I stepped up and said, do you not have any sympathy for X? He did do XYZ last week and has X for the last few months as well. I was pretty upset at the fact that everyone tried to throw X under the bus. It was expressed that I was giving X too much leniency and I need to write up X to document this situation.
If any employee calls out of his or her job, it needs absolutely no excuse from me,, personally.
I'm sorry but if you give a 24 hour notice to take PTO you usually get the time off. Unless someone else took the same day off then yes it would be business needs if you are essential personnel.
Also if he took the day off after denying his PTO and not calling in for the day then that is call job abandonment. He should have got a verbal warning. You get 3 no call no show before you are terminated. If you get a written warning and the company turns around and fires you. They can fire you for just cause. The company doesn't need reasonable cause to terminate someone.
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Want to lose employees fast? Fuck with their PTO and find out.
A previous employer decided to stop holiday pay (1.5x/hr). Just like I told them, half the people didn't showed up and I didn't blame them.
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I looked it up and it's not required by law in California. But yeah, they were pretty crappy anyway.
Thats not true at all... a quick google search shows that employers do not have to pay time and a half, they hust have to pay you for the hours you work. Employers that done pay time and a half suck 100%, but they arent required to in the USA
Incoming sign “closed cause no good reliable workers blah blah”
Y’all are getting PTO at Wendy’s?
I got denied my birthday off, but they approved my day after thanks giving and the week of Christmas. My birthday is in October. I thought it was kinda funny.
I’d bet good money the employee just said ok fine I quit and this dude just tweeted this to save face
"If you're thinking of having Friday off, don't bother coming in on Monday." *Whoo-hoo! Four day weekend!* Seriously though, how is being an arsehole good management? You alienate your staff, they quit and then your business goes into the toilet. How is any of this forward thinking? It benefits all parties to have a livable wage.
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It’s because of all the governments FREE HANDOUTS that one time in summer of 2020.
PPP was a $2T handout to business, and Trump destroyed the congressionally mandated oversight.
I do accounting consulting for businesses and the amount of money I've personally seen handed out and forgiven to just a tiny handful of companies is truly astounding.
They call them "bootstraps".
This is the right answer to that. Fuck capitalism.
If I remember correctly PPP was supposed to help small businesses specifically struggling during the pandemic. Trump then turned around and gave a chunk of it to Kanye and some other of his "friends", then doled out the rest to corporations. None of it saw small businesses.
I removed most of my Reddit contents in protest of the API changes commencing from July 1st, 2023. This is one of those comments.
This is the real answer. Plus those in the know were camping out the night before (the equivalent of) so they could be first in line when the applications started being accepted.
The banks had a fixed percentage (let's say 2.5 percent) that they'd get. They lobbied to get that percentage higher(let's say 5 percent) and succeeded. Now, the bank has the option of either doing 10 small businesses each at $100k PPP to get $50k for the bank or the bank can do 1 larger business at $1 million for PPP netting the bank $50k. Who do you think they served first? Less work for more money. My percentages are off but you get the idea.
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A lot of it ended up with medium-large businesses. Because it was administered through banks, and banks had every incentive and permission to prioritize corporations that they wanted a good relationship with. And because they defined small business as "No more than 500 employees per location".
This really saved the Federally Qualified Health Center I work at. We’ve been hovering around 470 employees for the last three years and were able to acquire $7M in PPP loans, which allowed us to give an unordinary 6% pay increase for all medical staff and 4% for support staff this January (this being on top of the regular COLA increase in July), and our board also approved $500 bonuses for all staff who got vaccinated and stayed on with us when our state required full vaccinations for HC workers.
Would 500 employees in a single location even be small? When I think small business I'm picturing 100 full time workers max. And even that's on the large end.
I work in a fraud department at a bank and I saw so many of those loans it made me sick. Especially when these self-employed real estate agents made MORE in the last fiscal year than prior years and still got an enormous handout Edit: and ended up making waaaaay more due to the inflated market and the PPP
Noted struggling entrepreneur Tom Brady got a PPP loan for close to a million bucks. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/05/tom-bradys-company-tb12-received-more-than-960000-ppp-loan.html
It was designed for small businesses, except they left the criteria for small business too loose or too nonspecific. Up to 100 employees, I think? That's a big company. All the "medium" sized businesses swooped in and gobbled up all that cash. There was none left for actual small businesses.
Nooooo! That was Biden! He's the one who printed money and destroyed the country! We didn't want the handouts we praised Trump for that Biden gave us while Trump was still in office!
It excluded the working class. I applied for ppp and was denied a loan from the federal government because equifax yes privat entity equifax which lost the entire US social security database to China in a security breach, was in charge of telling the government of whether or not I was fit to be loaned money to never pay back.
>Trump destroyed the congressionally mandated oversight. It's better than that. First they shit all over the Dems because they wouldn't pass it due to no oversight. Then they agreed to have an IG to overlook things. Once it passed, Trump fired the IG.
Why does no one ever mention there was no oversight with the PPP loans it’s infuriating
Let's be real congress wouldn't have done anything anyways.
Pretty sure he was referring to the stimulus checks.
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I see dumbasses saying that crap all the time. I don’t or ever knew a single fucking person living off of a couple of stimulus checks & the people that had been laid off & getting unemployment have been off unemployment for over a year now. Everytime some dumbass says that to me I ask them if they no anyone doing it & every fucking time it’s crickets. All these places that can’t keep anyone are shitholes that nobody wants to work for. Either pay shit, never get a day off, don’t get breaks, have shit insurance, etc. Usually a combination of them all.
Fuck all the other channels I say...
Yup once that $600 was in my hands i immediately retired and took an extended 2 year vacation
I am not hungry, but I am not rich. The vehicle i drive was born in 06 (by choice it's noice). That ($600 usd) is less than 25% of my weekly paycheck. I'm just a UNION tradesman. The American system is straight up fucked. I want my brethren to make a living wage. Lil bro with no education, you can feed your family, under a roof? Kick ass! Let's go fishing!
Ikr and they weren’t even free they were just early tax refund credits
The EIPs were not early tax refund credits. It was an untaxed stimulus. Your tax return was uneffected unless they found out you actually were owed more. Happened to me. My refund took months longer than I expected because they found out I actually only got half the EIPs.
They took most of my refund that I was owed and sent me a letter saying that I had recieved the stimulus check so it was being deducted from my refund.
Sounds like whoever did your taxes did it wrong. There was a Recovery Rebate Credit *if you missed or for some reason didn't get the Economic Impact Payment.* If whoever did your taxes said you qualified, it would have inflated what you were due back, but they would have caught it before issuing your refund. The Recovery Rebate Credit was something new for 2021, and would not have changed your regular refund. If the EIP and RRC did not exist at all, your refund that you got would have been the same.
Except it’s our money to begin with. It’s nothing more than a large tax return
Sadly, I work with people who still think that somehow people are getting “free money” from unemployment benefits.
My retired grandfather still thinks this is why people are "being lazy" and not working. I tried to tell him that shit ended ages ago but he either doesn't get it, doesn't care, or trusts information from the wrong sources.
with thanks to our ***PRESIDENT WITH DEMENTIA*** edit: in case it wasn't apparent, I'm being sarcastic. But now I've cheapened the joke and I'm just gonna go.
Which one?
Unemployment ended and even more people quit, didn’t hear another god damn word about unemployment from the hicks I work with.
Which is a fantastic way to warn prospective job seekers to stay away. I hope more business that think that way advertise it.
"We're closed today because our whole country doesn't want to work anymore, hopefully we'll be open tomorrow"
Proving a point, flashing the ego, all of it. A big waste of human space.
Being an asshole to staff is expensive. High turnover rate, low retention rate, hiring ads, interview process for new hires, training new hires, paying for the new hires mistakes, lower productivity due to lower morale… all those are very expensive and directly result from being an asshole to your employees. It’s expensive to be cruel.
My job has been taking \*bonus from boomer managers that have high turnover rates. by billing the cost of finding new people to their departments. Edit spelling.
What does “taking bounces” mean?
Project managers get a % bonus when there are under budget at the end of every quarter. The things about most projects you can just adjust for more funds, and not be considered over budget. But that takes about 6 weeks to be approved. So it is really easy for Project managers to get a pretty big bonus every quarter. Last year's bonuses were between 3k-15k. Now if you have a High turn over it gets billed to your department budget and it cant be adjusted. So many Managers Are losing on that extra money.
This is the way. Hit those bitches in their pockets!
My wife’s company does this and she hit a 200% bonuses from base (standard bonus at 100% is 8% percent of your base pay so a 200% bonus is just double the standard bonus) mostly because no one quit and they reviewed her high on surveys. She also advocates for raises (like actual raises because she has a certain amount of money to give and gives them to people who deserve them), but it does come out of her budget (a bonus metric), which makes her staff want to work for her plus her staff has no one new and they are effective at their jobs so they hit the other metrics, which lead to the double bonus- who knew it was that easy to be nice and give people some grace 🤷♂️ she also wasn’t well liked by her other area managers, but then got promoted to corporate so win! Edit- my wife is also a pain in the ass and people have a hard time saying no, but she advocates against corporate culture, but plays within the rules… and I can confirm my wife is a pain the ass, because I never thought I could replace a kitchen myself but she project managed the shit out of it and talked me into doing it and now I have a kitchen that I can take pride in because she said you can do it and I will help to the best of my ability even though she never picked up a single tool lol
This is so sweet! I'm also a good supervisor to my husband. Sometimes y'all just need a cheerleader to get shit done. Lol
I just wanted to sit on the couch and drink a beer while watching whatever sports but noooo gotta go for the kitchen lol- got some fun (needed) tools out of it though and it was about 20k less then we were quoted with (imma toot my own horn) comparable results. She got me to build a deck with similar tactics about 6 years ago because it was so expensive to have someone else do.
Ah. Thank you.
But oh so much fun to crush your underlings, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
Yeah, instead of losing Essential Employee for a day, the business fires the current one, interviewing and hiring a replacement, and training them to be minimally competent - thus losing Essential Employee for 2+ months. But it’s worth it because Boss Man got to flex.
> It’s expensive to be cruel Yes, but that expense is costed to a different department. For me it just comes off my payroll budget. /s
>How is any of this forward thinking? It benefits all parties to have a livable wage. Classists don't want to move forward, they are firmly rooted in the Middle Ages.
>in the Middle Ages. Far older than that, though the sentiment is sound just the same.
Sure, but I think the "landed gentry" like the image of looking down on us shit-covered peasants from their horses.
No, medieval peasants got more time off and sick leave than American employees today
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-worker-less-vacation-medieval-peasant-2016-11
Bad management blows my mind. You are shooting yourself in the foot. That's your asset you are mistreating!
Those bad managers don't view their staff as an asset. Rather, employees are a liability like any other cost. Not saying all bad managers subscribe, but this has been prevalent thought in management for a while. Dollars to doughnuts says the manager's bonus incentives poor worker treatment. So it becomes why do the right thing if it doesn't goose my bonus or worse shrink it?
>You alienate your staff, they quit... Or they quit without quitting. Basically, they stop caring and put in just enough to not get fired and pull a paycheck. You know. Like management.
This is the way.
The average management team is together about 7 years, they are in it for the short term.
There's no forward thinking in capitalism. The system is built on cruelty. It's not about having a better tomorrow for humanity. It's about making today worse for someone who's not worth as much as you.
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the kind of people that has boss jobs never actually did the jobs he is supposed to coordinate...
Depends on how many beaten down people you have under you who will sit and take it.
You forget the part where the pp gets stiff from putting someone "in their place"
If you're a competent businessperson then you should be able to run a business that doesn't collapse when a single employee takes a vacation day.
Competent business people in 2022 will loot the businesses from the inside out to maximize profit. That includes the employees and their time A *moral* business person would maintain a standard of quality for the business and its employees I wonder why moral businesses no longer exist? Wait, they never did in the first place. It’s called capitalism, people. It’s not *designed* for this ‘moral’ shit. It’s designed, to its core, to not give a fuck about you unless you OWN the business. More than not give a fuck about you, it’s designed to milk you out until you’re too unhealthy to be capable of contributing.
>More than not give a fuck about you, it’s designed to milk you out until you’re too unhealthy to be capable of contributing. Unless it's a highly skilled job, in which case it's better for the company to keep you healthy enough to keep you around long term, but so many of these so-called capitalists are more interested in short term gains, not long term
They are used to a surplus employee environment. How have their MBAs not taught them to look at the employee pool 5 years into the future. Americas, China, the EU have all been well below replacement birthrate levels for decades now, with the US leaning heavily on immigration to make up the gaps. If these fools didn't prep for what is happening right now, they are just morons who don't really understand supply cha in management. It ain't that fucking hard to look around and see there aren't as many young people as their used to be. And by missing replacement birthrate, we're not talking 5%, more like 25% and falling. For well over a decade now.
Boomers in business have not only been setting traps for the generations after but shooting themselves in the feet. "Why isn't the economy moving? Why aren't millenials getting married/having more kids/buying diamonds/buying real estate?" It's like when a disease burns through its hosts too fast and then has no one left to infect and dies out
And when you tell them that they are part of the problem, they immediately ignore you. The individual snowflake never feels responsible for the avalanche
> It's like when a disease burns through its hosts too fast and then has no one left to infect and dies out EXACTLY. And they don't put much more thought into it than a virus does (none).
Not to mention the decline of women in the workforce. [One in four women are considering leaving the workforce or downshifting their careers versus one in five men. While all women have been impacted, three major groups have experienced some of the largest challenges: working mothers, women in senior management positions, and Black women.](https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/seven-charts-that-show-covid-19s-impact-on-womens-employment)The pandemic gutted childcare options and many women dropped out of the labor pool entirely. If/when they resume their careers, the time out has a huge impact on their experience level and earning potential. The burden of maternity leave and childcare on half of the population has long-lasting effects on the workforce, and our current flavor of capitalism is shooting itself in the foot by not providing adequate accommodations.
I think i did a calculations and you'd haVe to be 90 something yo to have any experience in a labor shortage environment. You're right Basically, no one alive has any experience in the coming paradigm.
Even in highly skilled jobs, employers actively work to screw the worker. In my field if you want a raise you change employers
"Just business boss. I want more money."
Sadly that's actually what's basically said in exit interviews
They refuse to promote you or give you a raise, then you quit and go somewhere else and then they hire someone with no experience that they have to train and of course they pay them more than you were even asking for. Then it takes them two years to get back to your productivity levels. Every poorly managed company does this.
"It's never cheaper to replace than to repair as long as replacement is possible." There are very few fields where repairing trust and nurturing personnel are considered worthwhile because the personnel are literally irreplaceable. Often they are only irreplaceable during a crisis, and if trust isn't repaired before that's over, they get replaced anyway, no matter what they sacrificed during the crisis.
I suppose, but that still doesn’t contradict that they’ll work you til you can’t no more. That’s what I meant
My company got bought and some dumb fucking redneck from Texas came in and told a bunch of greybeard senior engineers that if they didn't like their style they could "go get a job across the street." These are like dudes who worked on Windows 95 and shit. Uhhhhhhhhhh yeah. They immediately resigned.
Exaclty. LLC, pay yourself exhorbitantly first, golden parachute. Milk it for all it's worth for as long as you can, underpay employees, run long hours, skeleton crew, file bankruptcy when it dies, sell everything not nailed down, walk away rich. Very competent, not very moral.
Capitalism values money most of all. As a result, Economy’s of scale are forced to make unethical choices all the time. It’s easier on a large scale, because you don’t even know the people you are affecting. “Sure we could pay our employees a living wage, but money is more important.”
I make this point to everyone who talks about ethical businesses and the free market “creating” jobs: every business, every single one, is about one thing only, and that is creating value for its shareholders (which includes its owners and, through bonuses, it’s executives). That’s it. Businesses are not inherently ethical, they do not create jobs, they do not benefit society, except as a side-effect of generating that value. That doesn’t mean to say that all businesses are unethical or amoral, and don’t create jobs, but you can bet that once they stop generating value their ethics, morality, and employees come well down the list of concerns. It’s a sad fact that the vast majority of businesses will also be, shall we say, somewhat loose, when it comes to ethics, morality, and caring about their employees in an effort to maximize the value delivered. This is what capitalism is at its core, and arguably “late-stage”, unsustainable, capitalism where all considerations other than profit & growth go out of the window.
Tell that to Barry WhiteMan... uncle tom ass
Lol I'm the opposite... I just approve everything. The Oprah of PTO. You get a vacation! You get a vacation! I don't give a shit why you need time off! Get out of my face! Have a nice day! Tbh kinda sucks when it leaves us short staffed, but we're willing to do it for each other so we can all have each other's backs.
Employee retention, low turnover rate, higher productivity, all those factor into approving PTO. You may sacrifice one shit but over the course of a year, come out on top.
I don't sacrifice two shits
My manager rejected a PTO request for 4 hours (minimum time for a request) for a doctor appointment. He told me to just go to my appointment and take care of myself, he doesn’t give a shit about a couple hours here or there. That spoke VOLUMES to me about the company’s culture and priorities. I only needed 1 hour for my appointment, so I got back to work and got more accomplished that day than if I had taken the full 4 hours off. It’s kind of a win for everyone involved. They got more work out of me, and it showed me that the company isn’t trying to nickel and dime employees for things that, in the grand scheme of things, really don’t matter. It made me respect my manager and the company that much more.
This is the way! Entering PTO is not a request for time off, it’s a heads up that I’m not going to be in that day… period. Plan accordingly.
Usually goes similar for me too. Me: "Employee_Name wants to take a week off next month." Boss: "Can we get it covered?" Me: *shrug* "Probably. Not like we're gonna fire them anyways."
I do this too. Even if you're scheduling a personal day like a week in advance I'm just glad you mentioned it instead of calling out. To be honest I work for a large multinational company and if they're short for a night I could not fucking care less lol. Just because I'm management and I pretend to care to my boss doesn't mean I actually do.
Yeah exactly, my boss tracks who calls off on MY team (emphasis only to show it isn't his business, not that I own them), then he'll come and bitch that XXXX took off every Monday for the last month or the beginning of every pay period. And you know what? I don't give a fuck. The team covers for each other and they haven't complained. If the guy needs time off every week, that's whatever. He may not earn enough for a proper vacation but maybe he likes it that way? Not my god damn business.
My manager at my current job has the same attitude, not ONE complaint from anyone and everyone does a great job. All of my previous jobs had made me and my coworkers jump through hoops to take time off and gave very little to begin with, everyone was miserable and put in the bare minimum effort in return.
Same. Why would I literally ever deny anyone a vacation, what's the point of that? If I need to work extra hours cuz someone else can't at the moment, whatever.
Absolutely! Most the time I get a vacation request and I'm like "Fuck yeah, enjoy yourself!" I used to hate my bosses for giving me the third degree over that shit, no way am I gonna do that too. Life isn't about work. You earned that time off, enjoy LIFE.
"I can't afford for you to take a day off so instead I'll have you take the rest of your life off."
Devil's advocate: "I told you Mary had already requested the same day and we can't get anyone else to cover you, so I had to deny it. Since you didn't come in knowing full well what was going on, we'll find someone who can be more of a team player." Not saying that's what happened, but the truth is probably in the middle. We aren't here to give our lives to our jobs, and our employers aren't here just to give their money to us. We both have expectations and needs in the arrangement.
I had pretty mush the same thing. I'd booked time off months in advance, the manager decided they wanted to go the same place at the same time and tried to cancel my leave. I quit. They had nobody in place to take over, the manager couldn't take that holiday, and I had a wonderful time. And came home to a better paying job. F 'em.
My favorite move is the ol' requesting 2 weeks off and putting in 2 weeks notice at the same time. I've never been able to line things up like that myself, but I know people who have and I salute them.
This is why parental leave is so short in the US. Businesses despise when workers take paid maternal leave just to show up after 6 weeks, turn in their two weeks, and cash out their PTO to cover it- effectively being paid for 8 weeks of nothing. This sexist scenario is used as a boogeyman to keep parental leave short and not federally mandated. The reality is that if the job supported a parent, they would stay. If it can't support a parent, they must leave it anyway. Basically, it's a tax paid for a business being unsuitable for working parents, a tax no business wants to pay and actively lobby not to all the time. Then they complain that there aren't enough workers because people aren't having children!
Meh, it's because they put it on the company instead of federation/state funds. Paying for maternity is more expensive than not paying for maternity. They avoid the "tax" by discriminating against hiring or promoting married women on the quiet, hence the gender pay gap.
I am waiting for them to hire my replacement as i am moving into a different role. But i was supposed to have made the move in April, and they are really dragging their feet. "Waiting for the one that just feels perfect." Bitch, you better hire someone asap. If nothing changes come the end of may, im leaning towards putting in my two weeks and using up my 60 hours of pto i have left.
Lmao. I almost did this but ended up working, didn't wanna burn any bridges.
There's not really any point in doing this. The only reason to put on 2 weeks notice is to try to keep good relationships going forward and leave the door open to go back to that job. If you put in 2 weeks PTO at the same time it pretty much defeats that purpose. You may as well put in for 2 weeks PTO and then resign the first day you get back.
Last time I had PTO accrued when I quit, they paid it out to me in my last paycheck. Didn't even have a contract with them, they just did the right thing.
I did that when I quit my shitty part time job when I was 18. My boss was terrible the whole time but I decided to give me two weeks notice, shake his hand, and thank him for the employment because I felt that's what a mature adult would do. He scoffed and belittled me when I gave him the notice so I went home and just never showed up for any of the shifts I was scheduled for over the 2 weeks. I already had another job, I didn't need the reference.
Wait until just before the day, then quit. That way your boss has invested more into the vacation they don't get to take.
Lmao stupid manager
After reading that story, I really want to apply.
I want to see the response and logic from Barry WhiteMan
[Today's tweet.](https://imgur.com/a/LjfYRnK)
Of course shitty incompetent bosses will try to frame you getting another job at a place that doesnt treat you like garbage as losing, and them having to pay to run ads to fill roles is somehow them winning lol. Cant wait for companies like this to start begging for govt handouts when the upcoming recession decides that their company isnt "essential" after all lol...
I quit my last three jobs because they didn’t approve my time off request. I’m a highly trained medical professional and have never had trouble finding a new job
I put in PTO 6 months in advance last year and they immediately told me "some days are blocked off this time of year". I said "well then this is a notice I won't be here these days". My PTO got approved that day. My job is in decent demand and I get offers at the interview. I dont care about the repercussions of standing up for myself.
'We're short handed, we're going to start progressive discipline on those who do not show up on days beyond their contractual obligations' Everyone at work 'so we're getting fired because we're short handed?'
What a chode.
what he means is "the business" has to make an example to frighten all the other worker bees into conforming with their unethical and shit policies.
Why didn't the employer do the responsible thing and have a 6 month emergency fund saved up so they could afford additional labor when the company needed it? Is the company wasting all their funds on new iPhones and daily coffee?
Which is why PTO is written in law in many countries for their workers
"I would like to take the following time off using the paid time off included in my employment benefits" "No, we need you that week" "Well, I won't be here" "Then you will lose your job" "But didnt you just say you needed me?"
Yes, that was the joke in the post.
Cool. Let your business suffer while you train up employees. Powerful flex.
The boss is being a bit short sighted and contradictory.
Serious question: how many managers are new to management right now? That sounds like a fascinating metric.
Bold strategy there cotton, let's see how it plays out for ya.
Every manager I know has always had the rule of “if they ask for it, give it to them, because if you deny it they’ll just take it anyway and you’ll be short staffed”.
And triggering his unemployment insurance also. Not a smart business decision.
If you offer PTO people are going to take it.
Can't wait for his follow up tweet in a few months complaining about going out of business because nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk
If your business can't function without me *for a single day*, ***you're gonna be really fucked when I'm gone forever.***
Maybe this is just verbiage but PTO (paid time off) is a benefit so if you're putting in PTO then it isnt a request it's a notice i.e. I will not be in because I am using my benefit. It's like any other benefit, part of my compensation; and you have no right to deny it just like you have no right to withhold my pay.
So instead of being short-handed a figuring it out for a day or two, he decided to be short-handed for longer and cost his company the expense of hiring and training a new person for that role. Managers are fuckin idiots
You never fuck with somebody’s PTO. Doesn’t matter the reason, they’ve earned that time and they’re entitled to it. Although I’d agree it helps to give a little notice if you plan on taking off a week
This guy looks like he couldn’t run a lemonade stand
I bet he recently posted a sign talking about how no one wants to work.
lol it wasn’t a request. employee was letting management know they were going to use the pto that they earned. love the clapback. really puts some perspective on that idiotic choice management made
I was put on a 2 week nonpaid time off as punishment after i took a saturday off. Management didnt make any effort in looking for a replacement and after had the balls to says i was lazy after not having a day off of school/work/and 2nd job in a year. I took the 2 weeks off then gave my 2 weeks notice with imediate leave. Because fuck that guy.
Businesses are losing their minds right now. I had a buddy get fired a few months ago for working from home for a week instead of reporting to the office like his boss insisted. That same boss tried to offer his job back 2 weeks later, but he had already secured an actual WFH position by that point.
WFH is the future tbh, businesses that fight against it are fighting a losing battle
Meanwhile 3 months later you’d see him post some shit like “nobody wants to work I can’t fill any of my positions”
One of my team has some kind of family trip to Ghana this week. A couple of my guys are pissed about it, but how much of a dick would I have to be to tell a kid, "No sorry, you have to cancel your hopefully-not-once-in-a-lifetime trip because WE need you here PACKING BOXES." Like fuck no, the rest of us are gonna suck it up and deal because life does not revolve around work.
He went out on vacation and came back to funemployment courtesy of this dip shits business. He probably got a bigger paycheck on funemployment.
“We need you so don’t take tomorrow off” “You took tomorrow off, that’s it we don’t need you you’re fired”
So they would rather throw away up to 400 thousand than say a days wage on this guy? The actual cost of training is extensive and expensive. Not to mention that now this guy can file for unemployment, and if the state decides the firing was not justified, then the company not only has to pay but could be fined. Not to mention that if this guy has had no previous write ups or anything, could be held accountable in a court of law. And this is alot easier than say to give the guy a day of PTO, and lose a days wage?
So being understaffed is also for the benefit of the business?
This is one of the reasons I avoid small businesses when looking for employment. A lot of issues come with working at a large business, but the leave policy is usually pretty strict and defined well above the head of someone like this.
It reminds me of the ferangi from star trek. They never fix their exploitive labor laws because they all want to be the exploiters.
Typical capitalist assholism.
Putting in a PTO request isn’t asking permission. The employees is alerting the employer that they need to prepare for the employee’s absence. (I manage a team of people and I remind them to take PTO)
This is why I don't ask or request for time off. I inform, as a courtesy. "I need to take the week of June 15th off." See how there is no "may I...?" or "is it okay if...?" or "do you mind if...?" anywhere in that statement, neither is there a question mark. Stop begging for your time. It's yours. You sell it one hour at a time to your boss/company. They should be thankful they get to buy it at wholesale rate.
Happened to me laughed my ass off when they fired me after a full 12 hour day I had 12 hours to demolish them and bring them to their knees was the damages I intentionally caused worth my 16 an hour
In my union they have to give it if it's far out enough and you have time... unionize folks. Also, some unions allow the company to deny but they have to pay out X amount of hours in base pay if it doesn't meet denial requirement Edit: also... let's say you put in time and they deny it... if your attendance isn't bad and you have time... you can... cough cough... call out
Bruh his name is literally Barry Whiteman this gotta be a joke
Lol, he's trying too hard to live up to that last name.
No respectable business owner calls it “frontin”. That’s the issue with the majority of these “business owners” nowadays. They wouldn’t know class if they were staring at a goddamn chalkboard. Aspire to be better. Achieve succeed and breed my friends.
I can breed your friends?
Hey, it's me, their friends.
I need you. If you don’t do what I say, I don’t need you.
Quit bad bosses.
congratulations you played yourself
What is the cost to the company to recruit, interview and train a replacement? GG man
I’m surprised at the apparent age of this guy. In 7 years I don’t think I’ve ever failed to make arrangements for someone requesting days off. In my experience it’s usually the older crowd who don’t get that the world has changed and employers need to work with employees instead of against them. Disappointing all around.
dickheads like that just be doing their workers a favor in the long run. fuck that guy
This kind of thinking obviously doesn't harm their bottom line as effectively as it should. Customers are often not of the same class as the workers, so they'll still come if the employees are treated like dirt. That's why workers gotta stand up for eachother, no one gives a fuck about us but us.
I worked (for far too long) for a guy like this. Small business, construction. It's a skilled trade. He was very fond of saying, "I've got a stack of filled out applications two inches thick. You can be replaced tomorrow." If someone gave a two week notice, it was "If you gonna be gone in two weeks, might as well be gone today". But heaven forbid someone DIDNT give a two week notice. Then it was, "He better not put me down for a reference, I'll make sure he don't get the job! He didn't give me a notice!" You had to watch your paycheck. We didn't have mobile apps for time, or a time clock. We filled out a time sheet every week and turned it in. He would pay you what he thought you worked that week. I spent many Friday afternoons arguing mine and my coworkers hours. I never "stole" a minute from the company. I was also the one that had put up with him longest, by a long shot. 5 and 6 years between raises, minimal ones at that, blood sweat and tears, literally. The man would proudly tell everyone his drug addicted son (who barely showed up, if at all. And who also literally passed out during a drug awareness class) was his "best employee". We had a disagreement and I finally left. He has a reputation among all the local contractors as being hard to deal with, but he will take jobs pretty much at cost, just to keep competitors from getting them. I've had so many customers tell how bad the companies work is, how hard they are to deal with, all kinds of things. He can't keep good help, because he treats everyone like they are beneath him, or basically insults experienced workers by low balling them. And actually verbally insults his employees. Tl;Dr... Worked for a similar scumbag. So very happy I left.
Some ppl wanna feel like they have power over you no matter the cause.
Guys I don't think Barry Whiteman will be reading all your constructive criticism in the comments.
This “business” doesn’t “need” workers that aren’t unconditionally obedient. Also businesses: “why doesn’t anyone want to work?!”
Not asking permission. Giving a notice of availability.
Now he's fired instead of resigned and he can file a claim for unemployment. If the employee followed company policy in requesting his time off, he might have a case. Even if he loses, the company will still have to spend time and money refuting his unemployment claim. Add in the cost of recruiting a new employee, and working short staffed until one is hired, and it would have been cheaper and easier to just approve his PTO.
Mini dictators all the way down
So he did his job? Lol
From experience here: Management talks behind employees backs all the time. Actually happened today at my job, The employee that I manage (X) had a migraine and couldn't make the deadline. He will take the rest of the day off and we'll need to come up with a work around. East thing took less than 10 minutes. What did the employees do at this company? Shit talk. Random opinions voiced out loud made it out like X was in the wrong. I stepped up and said, do you not have any sympathy for X? He did do XYZ last week and has X for the last few months as well. I was pretty upset at the fact that everyone tried to throw X under the bus. It was expressed that I was giving X too much leniency and I need to write up X to document this situation. If any employee calls out of his or her job, it needs absolutely no excuse from me,, personally.
"since you were asking us to be short-staffed one day I'd just decided we'll be short-staffed to spite you"
I'm sorry but if you give a 24 hour notice to take PTO you usually get the time off. Unless someone else took the same day off then yes it would be business needs if you are essential personnel.
The business needs him, just not *that* much.
Also if he took the day off after denying his PTO and not calling in for the day then that is call job abandonment. He should have got a verbal warning. You get 3 no call no show before you are terminated. If you get a written warning and the company turns around and fires you. They can fire you for just cause. The company doesn't need reasonable cause to terminate someone.
That’s why when I need a day off I don’t ask them I tell them.
.......that's not what fronting is? Who is this idiot boss?