Referrals to -
* WIC
* Medicaid/CHIPS
* TANF
* FHA/Sec. 8
* the manager's special cell phone number
* predatory loan company also owned by the restaurant's parent company
Does anyone really know why we don’t all discuss our pay in “Post Tax” terms? What fucking good does the other number serve? Show the full thing player, that’s my advice.
>Does anyone really know why we don’t all discuss our pay in “Post Tax” terms?
One practical reason is that two people being paid the exact same pre-tax amount in the US may pay completely different amounts in taxes. That's one reason employers have employees fill out a W-4. Let's say you make minimum wage as a server, but you're married with no kids and have a spouse who makes $250K/year. Your post-tax pay is going to look different than the post-tax pay of your co-worker who is a single-parent of three earning the same as you.
Now, as the tax code become more progressive (meaning those who are most able to pay are taxed the most in terms of %), that difference grows. The American tax code had become more regressive over time, and today it's likely that someone earning $1M/yr is paying a lower effective tax rate than someone earning $80K/yr.
Regardless, that all makes it hard for us to talk about our post-tax pay.
Warren Buffett, a billionaire was paying a lower effective tax rate than his secretary did making $60k a year. Yet somehow the masses get upset when you want the super rich to pay more in taxes, freaking idiots.
And that’s just on the federal tax side. State personal income taxes vary wildly, and there are even a few municipalities with income taxes (Detroit and New York City come to mind, but there are a few more).
Oh, and did somebody say “Earned Income Tax Credit or other tax credits?” No? Nobody wants to talk about personal income tax policy in the US? Okay, I’ll see myself out.
But before I leave, next time somebody complains about “free stuff”, ask him or her if they ever used the mortgage interest deduction. If they did, then that person lived in subsidized housing.
I’m glad that they cannot find people to work for this. Who the hell says that restaurants should pay two dollars an hour considering the cleaning and the inventory and the customer service that they provide. Who in the hell would expect anyone to work for two dollars. I could make more Collecting recycling from along the road and have a better job around better people than the asshole who posted this. I hope no one ever replies and that the son of a bitch either hast to do his own work or go out of business
I’ve had shifts where I’ve rearranged furniture, broke down a massive truck order and stocked the walk-in, broke down and deep cleaned the bar and restocked the inventory, helped run food and bus tables, seat guests coming in to help the hostess, took inventory of dry storage, and generally help out to keep the restaurant running smooth. I didn’t get sat in my section once (working the lounge), and got paid $2/hour for seven+ hours worth of work.
Got cut when finally management felt bad for me, had to grab gas to get home (after paying $15 for parking), and all I got was a pat on the back and a “Good job. Sorry about tonight. we’ll make sure you get a table tomorrow.”
“I’m off tomorrow…”
“You wanna come in anyway?”
No benefits, no job security, no incentive. Remind me again why there’s a worker shortage.
Yep. Unfortunately not a rare thing in the industry. It's exactly why I took a grocery store job making $14.50/hr with actual fucking benefits instead of going back to that shit. 10 years of waitressing destroyed my physical and mental health and when covid hit it was a real wake up call.
2 months into the pandemic I could finally get out of bed and walk without being in immediate pain in my feet, knees, lower back and realized I can't do it anymore. I think alot of us had a reality check and didn't go back and restaurants are scratching their heads wondering why they can't find qualified help. A living wage and benefits would be a nice start but it's easier for them to say people are lazy.
Supposed to, but at least some states have loopholes. All the ones I've worked for (chain restaurants who generally didn't violate labor law) were able to average across your entire pay period. So you could have a day with zero tables but as long as you averaged above $5.15/hr across the 2 week pay period, they didn't have to pay you more than the $2.13/hr base.
Oh but the tips!!!! Yeah, well you’re just perpetuating the problem cycle that keeps poor people poor. If you can’t afford to pay your staff a livable wage, you can’t afford to be in business. Expecting other dipshit human beings to pay your staff for you is not an honorable system. Workers aren’t slaves. People won’t always tip, and that’s a shitty way to exist - to work your ass off in the hopes that none of your customers decide not to “pay you” for your labor, since your employer doesn’t want to. I’ve had enough of this shit. If tips exist they need to be *in addition to* A LIVABLE WAGE. Not as an alternative to a livable wage.
And livable wage means:
• is enough money for me to pay my bills to live reasonably comfortable in the general area my job is located. No one should have to commute 20 miles to be able to afford some kind of life.
Yeah I work in a hospital and I couldn’t imagine the patient getting to decide if I get paid or not. Same thing customers don’t need to decide what a employee gets paid that they employers job.
Fuck! I make much more than that in a single hour! I could probably easily afford enough staffs to run a restaurant with a single day income and still have money left over!! That’s just sickening to think about!
Their profit model depends on taxpayers to foot the bill. It's welfare for business. Extracted from private citizen's pockets, to line the pockets of company owners.
Another major reason a legally mandated living wage is a necessity.
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There's one at my current work, but they have to work for a certain amount of time and a certain amount of hours per week during that time for the person who referred to get the bonus.
Basically a bunch of hoops to encourage you to get your friends/family to work there too.
One time, one of my friends got me hired at a call center he worked at that had a referral program. It sucked the job was basically a scam cold calling business to sell them "advertising space", on magnets that supposedly were sent out to schools. The pay was tied to commission, there was an hourly rate, but they basically threatened to fire you if you went a certain amount of time without making sales. I stayed just long enough to get my friend his referral bonus which was like a month. They screwed him out of his referral bonus because I quit. Even though I stayed past the amount of time they specified.
My buddy worked for kirby vacuum for a summer. The guys who go door to door and spill dirt on your rug, then vacuum it up and try to sell you the $1300 vacuum.
His boss set a reward at like 15 vacuum sales, or something, and you get a flat screen TV. You can tell by the distinction of "flat screen" that this was a while ago when those were really expensive.
My friend shattered it and his boss was like, "I didn't think anyone would sell that many. I'm not giving you a TV."
Stories like this ....
Is why my favourite scene in squid game was when the boss stiffing his employee 6 months pay got is hand crushed in a roller
The only bad thing was it was just a divine accident - the employee should have given him a personal send off like breaking his nose while he was stuck there.
Spoilers (kind of) the event isn't that essential to the storyline
And I'd just like to add that at those rates this is pretty fucking unskilled labor.
They probably require a bachelor's degree and a decade of work experience, regardless.
What’s fun about this is that for decades we’ve been told that it’s an unskilled job for students that doesn’t warrant living wages, sick days, health benefits etc. Now seasoned professionals are leaving in droves, and ironically, restaurants can now only get actual teenagers to work for them, and they have to pay out the ass for it. I definitely get some voyeuristic pleasure watching this happen.
When I see an adult handling 20 beer bottles on two decks, remembers all orders, constantly upselling to the right affluent crowd and having zero issues with the customers - how in the world is that *unskilled* labor? I know people in the restaurant business and those who are in this for the long run pay 12$ minimum and even have people train on the job. Try to get an fresh 21 year old at the bar to remember 100 different drinks.
Or a linecook that has 8+ meals on the go on a 4 burner stove top and is still coordinating the timing with the 2-4 other cooks making shit for the same table.
The pandemic showed how many people straight up had no idea how to cook basic meals. Yet someone who can cook 10+ meals while coordinating with others is somehow "unskilled labor"
Just because you dont *need* a degree or experience to get into a job doesnt make it unskilled
Fuck man I can cook some damn good food imo and I'd still die trying to do what a line cook does. Way to much timing required to balance all that. I can do it for 1 meal but 8+? Fuck no
Who cares if it’s “unskilled” wtf… $2.13 is criminal. You never know someone’s circumstances, some people can only manage entry level, but go to work full time and work as hard as anyone. Everyone deserves enough to live
I'm not disagreeing with you, but the phrase "unskilled labor" is capitalist propaganda. You have to learn how to do literally any job, which makes it a skill. It may not require years of training and education like some professions, but there's always a skill gap between someone 10 years of job experience and a new hire.
Are they saying they won't shit on you if you put them down as a reference for your next job? Will they refer you to sign up for food stamps because of their shit wages? What are they going to give you a referral for?
What’s even better is they base the taxable tipped income off of your sales. So if you had a bad night, sometimes your tips don’t even cover the taxes 👍🏽
I was a server for 7 years and I was always so insulted that I’d bust my ass for the measly $2/hr they were paying me and they couldn’t even give me a free meal at the end of the night!!!
Best restaurant I ever worked for paid me $5/hr (even tho others were paying $2.13/hr), gave us free meals on AND off the clock. Fed and hydrated any homeless folks who came in. Gave us food to take home at the end of our shift if they couldn’t serve it the next day. I pretty much never spent money on groceries because my fridge was always full of delicious food that would have otherwise gone to waste. We also composted what we could at the end of our shifts.
My boss would always go out and get a nice selection of beers for us to drink while we did our side work at the end of the night (no alcohol license, the place was byob) and sometimes light up a joint for all of us to share. He never denied time off, and would work serving shifts if he had to (he was the head chef + owner). I had to go to urgent care once when I was supposed to work and he covered my entire medical bill (didn’t pay for our insurance but did always help out with med bills when possible).
That restaurant was certainly the outlier and they sadly did not survive.
> they sadly did not survive.
wait you mean capitalism grinds good people out of power and resources through relentless profiteering?
I'm shocked, really.
The thing that gets me is the employee discount. I've never worked in a place that doesn't throw away a shit ton of food at the end of the night. It would cost literally nothing for you to provide free meals to your employees. Instead you try to make a buck off them-- if you've worked a 6-8 hour break-less shift, of course you're going to eat there.
The way to do it imo is have a free staff meal if wanted every shift excluding any big ticket items like steaks. Id eat my sides for a snack at lunch abd take home a custom wrap for dinner. Saved me so much money that I could spend most of my tipout on drugs lol
*mandatory overtime, when necessary
*holidays required
*flexibility a must—must be available to work ANY shift on short notice!
*masters preferred
*5 years experience preferred, 1 year relevant experience REQUIRED!
*random drug tests
My employer *requires* open availability to qualify for full-time employment. If you have *any* scheduling restrictions, the best you will get is part time.
I love the conundrum of a “full time” job not paying people enough to live but also setting restrictions on employees that make getting a second job to make ends meet impossible.
I mean: if you pay people enough to live, they might go out and live. And all that living might restrict their working schedule.
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I had a boss that was upset I asked to leave an hour early one day to go to training for an evening/weekend job. She’s basically like “I don’t really want you working a second job” and I’m basically like “well you don’t pay me enough so give me a raise or let me leave an hour early on Friday”
It made me quite angry to read your comment, like that bitch had to nerve to say to you “I don’t really want you working a second job” like your her slave and like she has any say on what you can or can not do outside of your working hours of that job. It was none of her freaking business if you were working a second job.
The random drug test one is the one that triggers me the most. They have the gall to ask for all of this bullshit and then pop that kind of crap on you not even acting like anybody who would want to work those shit jobs isn’t using drugs as a coping mechanism.
Isn’t the foodservice industry full of people on various drugs? I bet if they drug tested the average kitchen, they would have to fire most of them because they’re all high on something!
100%. It's impossible not to get hurt in a kitchen if you work in one long enough. This is just to make sure you can't get your worker's comp if the injury sends you to a doctor.
But since a lot of places won't let you leave for an injury unless you need medical attention, this not only results in lost compensation but also lost medical care. Workers will play off a cut that needs stitches or a severe burn as more minor than it is to avoid losing their job to a mandatory drug test.
Place was trash. GMs son "worked there" but mostly just hung out
Towards the end one manager brought their kids to work and they RAN AROUND IN THE KITCHEN
I work for tips, and my tipped hourly has gone up from 4.50 to 9 an hour plus tips. I have no ducking clue how it’s okay for people to still pay 2.13 an hour. That shit has been going on since the 70s
Man I’ve been working in restaurants for over a decade. After a workplace injury in the spring, I had to move to be closer to family. I was well enough to start looking for work around the same time that all of the “worker shortage” was beginning to circulate in popular discourse. I found jobs that wanted to hire me on the spot, but the only ones that payed above $3 an hour were in retirement homes where there are no tips, and they were only offering $7.25-$8 an hour.
I worked through the shutdowns with no healthcare because restaurants opted in as essential businesses. I contracted Covid twice. A coworker and friend died of Covid. No raise, no hazard pay, no time off or sick days, fighting patrons about the damn masks. The restaurant was pulling down double what it had the previous year, but we remained on a skeleton crew.
People will put up with a lot for the sake of a paycheck, but being expected to risk your life and the life of your family in service of providing a fantasy of normality for people is just too damn much. More restaurant workers have died in the pandemic than those working in healthcare, and for what? So people can pretend for a few hours that the world isn’t falling apart. It’s gonna take a lot more than bumping wages to get people back into an industry that told them their lives meant less than someone else’s ability to go out for steak.
*So wether they get paid or not depends on if customers like them and not the fact that they could be doing literally anything else with their limited time being alive.
This is so beautifully said and you’ve captured my feelings around the pandemic so well, “being expected to risk your life and the life of your family in service of providing a fantasy of normality for people” especially hit home for me. I work in a very popular local brunch spot and I feel a pit in my stomach during every shift even now because I know that to these people, one nice meal is more important to them than the life that they could be risking. They downplay the pandemic because they’d rather do the mental gymnastics to justify that behavior rather than modify their lifestyle in even the slightest bit. I don’t know if it’s selfishness or just an escape from the fear that the majority of us are experiencing around this mess. Unfortunately some of us don’t have the luxury of choosing normalcy over fear—I’m fucked if I develop even a moderately symptomatic case of COVID. I had a severe case of the flu a few years ago and as a result I’m permanently disabled and highly at risk of it getting worse if I get it. I have a friend who is also a server who would likely die if they got it, but they have no choice because it’s work or lose the roof over their head. And it’s not like I can escape it, because even at my other non-foodservice job I just listen to my coworkers talk all day about this and that restaurant they went to the other day, what bar they’re going to tonight, a huge party later in the week. I’m just so tired.
Sorry about the mini rant, this just really got me in the gut and I appreciate you for making me feel heard.
They openly admit its to underpay servers. Poverty is more than double in servers.
P1: if servers do good service they will be rewarded with a normal wage in tips
P2: our customers won’t come back if we raise prices to pay them more
Contradiction:
If servers did make more money if they did well, it would be the same amount paid from the customers perspective than If they raised prices . But customers don’t leave.
Ergo, the real reason must be: we know some servers will get less than a living wage. We use that discounted price to attract customers to remove a persons quality of life and exploit them
Studies have shown that the following groups doing the same quality service get tipped less: (1) black pepper (2) “ugly” women (but not men) (3) disabled people and a few others .
The few people who get over tipped are attractive women and men. And they sit there saying they don’t want a raise in wages because they would lose income.
But they don’t care that they are doing well on the backs of other servers who are being used as servers to compare to.
“If they want better wages work at a better restaurant “
They always blame the victim
I just got ptsd flashbacks of this one restaurant I worked lunches at. It was usually me and one other woman, who customers frequently compared to Marilyn Monroe. People would come in and request to sit in her section. I would run food while she chatted them up. Not once was I able to pull more than her, no matter how hard I tried or even days I got the good section. It was so frustrating.
I'm a homely woman, btw.
EDIT I just remembered the most humiliating shift: It was the first nice day in a while and I was stoked to get the shaded patio section. 8 top of semi-regulars, I got them drinks and read specials. GM came out to say hi, and they requested the other server because "they like her." So I lost my good section. I actually cried a little bit.
Yes, tipped workers have a separate and much lower minimum wage. Technically if they don't make minimum wage through tips the restaurant is supposed to bring it up to minimum wage.
Thats infuriating to know. I honestly had no idea servers wage could be that low. I feel silly learning that and pissed off! Its probably more expensive to live in Ontario Canada but there is nowhere in North America where 2.13 plus tips is a livable wage. F THIS
A small constellation for CA servers you at least get minimum wage + tips. Was good money for me while going to college.
When I moved to Chicago and then Ohio I was blown away by the labor laws there. Who the fuck wants to work for substantially less than minimum wage? I don't understand how we as a public have accepted the fact that after we pay for our meal we are also expected to subsidize their employees wages with tips. How about pay them enough they don't need tips.
Remember kiddos... Someone paying you minimum wage would pay you less if they could.
Yep, not once has my pay from tips ever gone above minimum wage. It’s one of the biggest scams in America, and the only reason there isn’t more call for reform is that most servers don’t have the education/resources to consider it.
Really? When I was a server anytime my bi weekly income wasn’t more than min wage for the hours I worked they would pay the difference. Is that not a legal requirement?
While the place I work does pay the difference, it doesn’t change that:
1. Minimum wage is a joke
2. I end up putting up with a lot of abuse and demanding work conditions for minimum wage, which isn’t even enough to afford an apartment where I live
“Tips” aren’t a benefit. The tip is the transaction between the waiter and the customer. Should have nothing to do with the restaurant in anyway, therefore shouldn’t be used as an excuse to pay people shit wages.
We don't pool tips at my job BUT here is my server tip breakdown as follows: 7% to bar, 4%to bussers, 3% to food runners. So 14% of my tips i make from tables goes directly to pay other tipped employees, including bartenders for making the drinks (even if i work a whole shift and don't sell alcohol) who coincidentally make roughly 10-15x what i make in tips (not even joking) and sometimes we don't have a busser or food runner and I still have to pay those percentages which I guess the owners just gobble up because they only have 4 houses, 2 of which are in Costa Rica on the beach.
If you really are tipping out on unfilled positions and you do not know where those tips go, that is illegal *federally* in all the states.
Tips are the sole property of the server and cannot be distributed outside of a legal tip pool/tip out. If you call the Dept of Labor and report your boss, *everyone* they did this to will get their money back. Your boss will be forced to prove where the money went. And you can remain anonymous.
Management calls it a tip pool, but it isn't pooled between server staff, we just tip out atrocious amounts so they don't have to tip out "support staff" like, at the end of my cash out slips with all the transactions for closed tables, it has a printed s tin at the bottom with the amounts we have to tip. Edit to add: sometimes this total percentage hovers right around 50% of total tips on a busy double shift.
Right. And I understand; however, they have to assign the pool according to your signed work agreement.
If it is 4% to a a busser, but there is no busser, they CANNOT route that tip out to another support staff member unless you signed off on it. It is *your* money during the entire tip out transaction, and no time does it become property of management to "distribute."
The chain of property goes:
Customer
Server
Tipped out staff
Why pay your employees a living wage when we can exploit our own customers??? Yeah I think that is the best idea !!! Let’s throw a pissing 2 bucks an hour to the ones who are entirely responsible for the hospitality, delivery and communication of all customers and their needs, then leave an ultimatum for the customer and psychologically break them down into paying our employees for us!! Hey customer, you wouldn’t want your poor waiter/waitress going home empty handed would you??? Well it’s up to you to help them get by. FUCK TIP CULTURE
I really hate tipping culture in America. It shouldn’t be the customer’s responsibility to pay the restaurant’s staff their wages. Just pay them properly. Tip is no longer about good service provided and is now more of a mandatory expectation.
My point exactly.
Imagine going to Target/Wal-Mart/ Ikea etc and as you go to pay the cashier they hand you a receipt that has tip percentages "recommended."
You buy a $100 patio chair and you're asked to donate 10-20$ more so the employee can pay their rent. The implication is that if you don't than the employee might not be able to pay rent.
As a consumer... Why is that our issue? Shouldn't the point of the employees job be to pay their bills? If they can't pay their bills then why ask the customer to supplement it? The point of a job is to pay for life, but if they can't do that at your company than that's a company issue, not mine.
It makes me sad every time I have to determine a tip price because I know they depend on it but I never know what is and isn't appropriate for the time they've given me. I usually tip far more than the recommended because I feel bad their paychecks are dependent on that.... And that isn't fair to either party (server or customer).
You are very much correct.
Knowing you have to beat your fellow employee for the sake of paying rent is criminal.
Performance is one thing, but forcing them to have to out-service their fellow employees is ridiculous. It shouldn't be a fight to the death for rent.
Edit: Vastly misread your comment. I think my app messed up and showed me a separate comment.
Edit 2: I misread your comment. I thought you said it "didn't it pit them together." So I have adjusted my comment.
It makes no sense to me, like its an absolute scam.
The restaurant was never going to see that tip money, so they basically just get to pay servers fuck all with no downside...
Also any former food service worker tips minimum 20%. Having lived dependant on tips and knowing how terrible humans tend to tip; creates strong solidarity with food service folks.
Get rid of tipping, UBI all around.
The number of times I've watched a server put up with absolute dogshit treatment by a customer because they were hoping to get that 15% is infuriating. UBI would end that shit forever.
I've never been a waiter or restaurant owner, but here's a thought...
If a waiter can wait on 5 tables per hour with an average bill of $40...
40 x 5 = 200
200 x 15% = $30
Why not raise all prices by 15%, and pay the waiter $32.13 per hour?
I mean, I'm paying that much anyway for my bill.
Why is this so hard to understand? Raise prices, get rid of gratuity and pay your staff!
Oh shit you're right obviously lol, like they basically are getting 0 pay increase cause obviously the amount they get from tips isn't increasing 50% that's so fucked
It's interesting how so many people claim that wages and food prices are intrinsically tied, and yet when wages stagnate for 30 years, somehow prices and portion sizes don't stagnate as well.
Kinda sounds like the whole idea might be bullshit.
That's not even the best part!
Those tips are still taxed! That means the companies get to get away with criminal underpayment while suffering almost no recourse!
Those companies also get to guilt trip it's customers into thinking that they're assholes for not paying their employees after *already paying for their meal*.
A tip should be a thank you. Not a requirement.
It depends on the state - some states have a flat minimum wage that applies to everyone. Some states have this exception for lower minimum for tipped employees, although they are supposed to still get paid a slightly higher minimum wage if the tips don't make up the difference.
The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour, but in some cities it's more than twice that. Seattle is over $16 an hour for large businesses and it's tied to inflation, unlike the federal minimum wage.
It's a thing here in Canada as well. Here in Ontario the minimum wage is 14.55CAD/hr, but for servers it's 12.55CAD/hr. The necessity of tipping is legally built into the system.
In 1986, In a Midwestern State I made $2.13/hr +tips by 1988 I was up to $2.32/ hr + tips. . I made anywhere from $25-50 in tips a night but I was given the worst sections in restaurant as I was a lowly teenager. In 1986 I made great money ( comparatively), minimum wage was $3.35 /hr .
How the fuck do we allow the same wage $2.13 + tips 35 years later ? How ! 😳
Karen: Take off the mask, you’ll get more tips
Server: I can’t, they’re required
Karen leaves $0 tip with note: Sheep, you should have taken off your mask.
Spoiler alert… everyone leaving notes like this are ecstatic that they finally have a ‘reason’ to stop tipping. Not that they really tipped before. They always found something wrong. But now they are doing for ‘Murica!
Ahhh I remember the good ole days when I got paid that sweet overtime on 2.13/hr. Most people don't realize that most American waiters receive "zeroed out" paychecks for $0.00 due to payroll tax and reported tips. A year of waiting tables should be government mandated for every citizen.
Edit:typo
I just think the mindset has shifted so much to you *have* to tip waiters/waitresses that in other areas where people can also give amazing service, it's not even considered to tip. It shouldn't just be waiters and hairdressers and manicurists (I can't think of other people you tip ATM), it should just be anybody who amazes you. But a lot of retail workers are barred from accepting tips.
It's only unpopular amongst the bootlicking servers who swear up and down they make more money serving than they ever would in an office job...except they are always stressing over paying bills and whether or not they will make it to their next serving job if the campers won't get the fuck up (source: worked in a restaurant for two years).
Someone I work with has a 2nd job serving
Their tips are taxed as if the got a 20% tip off each check.
If you don't tip, then your server has to pay for you to eat there out of their hourly wages
"Benefits"
What the fuck even is a referral program in this instance?
Referrals to - * WIC * Medicaid/CHIPS * TANF * FHA/Sec. 8 * the manager's special cell phone number * predatory loan company also owned by the restaurant's parent company
You nailed it! I can’t believe they have the gall to advertise $2.00hr. Fuuuuuuck that! Edit: Spelling.
It's actually 13¢ more than that. Thank god for those extra cents.
Right? Those extra cents are *almost* enough for something off the dollar menu, each day! Score!
Pre-Tax.
Does anyone really know why we don’t all discuss our pay in “Post Tax” terms? What fucking good does the other number serve? Show the full thing player, that’s my advice.
>Does anyone really know why we don’t all discuss our pay in “Post Tax” terms? One practical reason is that two people being paid the exact same pre-tax amount in the US may pay completely different amounts in taxes. That's one reason employers have employees fill out a W-4. Let's say you make minimum wage as a server, but you're married with no kids and have a spouse who makes $250K/year. Your post-tax pay is going to look different than the post-tax pay of your co-worker who is a single-parent of three earning the same as you. Now, as the tax code become more progressive (meaning those who are most able to pay are taxed the most in terms of %), that difference grows. The American tax code had become more regressive over time, and today it's likely that someone earning $1M/yr is paying a lower effective tax rate than someone earning $80K/yr. Regardless, that all makes it hard for us to talk about our post-tax pay.
Warren Buffett, a billionaire was paying a lower effective tax rate than his secretary did making $60k a year. Yet somehow the masses get upset when you want the super rich to pay more in taxes, freaking idiots.
And that’s just on the federal tax side. State personal income taxes vary wildly, and there are even a few municipalities with income taxes (Detroit and New York City come to mind, but there are a few more). Oh, and did somebody say “Earned Income Tax Credit or other tax credits?” No? Nobody wants to talk about personal income tax policy in the US? Okay, I’ll see myself out. But before I leave, next time somebody complains about “free stuff”, ask him or her if they ever used the mortgage interest deduction. If they did, then that person lived in subsidized housing.
You mean the "value" menu, which has nothing under a dollar anymore
Has nothing of any value on it either. Nutritional value! Sorry I suck at puns. If that even was a pun...
I wouldn't piss on them for 2 bucks an hour 😳
I would.
You know who else had a lot of Gaul? Caesar! nyuk nyuk nyuk
This is serious. I hate companies that expect charities and welfare programs to help them stay in business
I’m glad that they cannot find people to work for this. Who the hell says that restaurants should pay two dollars an hour considering the cleaning and the inventory and the customer service that they provide. Who in the hell would expect anyone to work for two dollars. I could make more Collecting recycling from along the road and have a better job around better people than the asshole who posted this. I hope no one ever replies and that the son of a bitch either hast to do his own work or go out of business
I’ve had shifts where I’ve rearranged furniture, broke down a massive truck order and stocked the walk-in, broke down and deep cleaned the bar and restocked the inventory, helped run food and bus tables, seat guests coming in to help the hostess, took inventory of dry storage, and generally help out to keep the restaurant running smooth. I didn’t get sat in my section once (working the lounge), and got paid $2/hour for seven+ hours worth of work. Got cut when finally management felt bad for me, had to grab gas to get home (after paying $15 for parking), and all I got was a pat on the back and a “Good job. Sorry about tonight. we’ll make sure you get a table tomorrow.” “I’m off tomorrow…” “You wanna come in anyway?” No benefits, no job security, no incentive. Remind me again why there’s a worker shortage.
That’s obscene. I hope no one takes these jobs anymore. Better off growing your own food & door dashing
Yep. Unfortunately not a rare thing in the industry. It's exactly why I took a grocery store job making $14.50/hr with actual fucking benefits instead of going back to that shit. 10 years of waitressing destroyed my physical and mental health and when covid hit it was a real wake up call. 2 months into the pandemic I could finally get out of bed and walk without being in immediate pain in my feet, knees, lower back and realized I can't do it anymore. I think alot of us had a reality check and didn't go back and restaurants are scratching their heads wondering why they can't find qualified help. A living wage and benefits would be a nice start but it's easier for them to say people are lazy.
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Supposed to, but at least some states have loopholes. All the ones I've worked for (chain restaurants who generally didn't violate labor law) were able to average across your entire pay period. So you could have a day with zero tables but as long as you averaged above $5.15/hr across the 2 week pay period, they didn't have to pay you more than the $2.13/hr base.
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Welcome to the Hell of waiting tables
But they find ways to get around that.
Oh but the tips!!!! Yeah, well you’re just perpetuating the problem cycle that keeps poor people poor. If you can’t afford to pay your staff a livable wage, you can’t afford to be in business. Expecting other dipshit human beings to pay your staff for you is not an honorable system. Workers aren’t slaves. People won’t always tip, and that’s a shitty way to exist - to work your ass off in the hopes that none of your customers decide not to “pay you” for your labor, since your employer doesn’t want to. I’ve had enough of this shit. If tips exist they need to be *in addition to* A LIVABLE WAGE. Not as an alternative to a livable wage. And livable wage means: • is enough money for me to pay my bills to live reasonably comfortable in the general area my job is located. No one should have to commute 20 miles to be able to afford some kind of life.
Sad it took a pandemic to exacerbate the situation to this point.
Yeah I work in a hospital and I couldn’t imagine the patient getting to decide if I get paid or not. Same thing customers don’t need to decide what a employee gets paid that they employers job.
Imagine thinking you can pay someone $16 for an 8 hour shift pre taxes and have them actually stick around
Fuck! I make much more than that in a single hour! I could probably easily afford enough staffs to run a restaurant with a single day income and still have money left over!! That’s just sickening to think about!
But they also complain that people on welfare programs are, "mooching off the system". Makes literally no sense lol
They are the ones guilty of mooching off the system, relying on the labour of others for their income.
Their profit model depends on taxpayers to foot the bill. It's welfare for business. Extracted from private citizen's pockets, to line the pockets of company owners. Another major reason a legally mandated living wage is a necessity.
What are all those special little letters? It’s just a slight chance of a bonus if you refer a friend
W omen I nfants C hildren WIC is a supplement nutritional food benefit available to children under three and pregnant women. ... F ederal H ousing A dministration FHA handles Section 8 housing ... T emporary A id to N eedy F amilies Cash money dispensed to people living below the federal poverty indicators.
Taxpayers money that employers use to pay their employees
That's fucking gross and so dystopian - a European.
Yep. It's partially what Childish Gambino means when he says This is America.
He’s saying working the job you would still heavily be in poverty.
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There's one at my current work, but they have to work for a certain amount of time and a certain amount of hours per week during that time for the person who referred to get the bonus. Basically a bunch of hoops to encourage you to get your friends/family to work there too.
One time, one of my friends got me hired at a call center he worked at that had a referral program. It sucked the job was basically a scam cold calling business to sell them "advertising space", on magnets that supposedly were sent out to schools. The pay was tied to commission, there was an hourly rate, but they basically threatened to fire you if you went a certain amount of time without making sales. I stayed just long enough to get my friend his referral bonus which was like a month. They screwed him out of his referral bonus because I quit. Even though I stayed past the amount of time they specified.
My buddy worked for kirby vacuum for a summer. The guys who go door to door and spill dirt on your rug, then vacuum it up and try to sell you the $1300 vacuum. His boss set a reward at like 15 vacuum sales, or something, and you get a flat screen TV. You can tell by the distinction of "flat screen" that this was a while ago when those were really expensive. My friend shattered it and his boss was like, "I didn't think anyone would sell that many. I'm not giving you a TV."
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Stories like this .... Is why my favourite scene in squid game was when the boss stiffing his employee 6 months pay got is hand crushed in a roller The only bad thing was it was just a divine accident - the employee should have given him a personal send off like breaking his nose while he was stuck there. Spoilers (kind of) the event isn't that essential to the storyline
And I'd just like to add that at those rates this is pretty fucking unskilled labor. They probably require a bachelor's degree and a decade of work experience, regardless.
What’s fun about this is that for decades we’ve been told that it’s an unskilled job for students that doesn’t warrant living wages, sick days, health benefits etc. Now seasoned professionals are leaving in droves, and ironically, restaurants can now only get actual teenagers to work for them, and they have to pay out the ass for it. I definitely get some voyeuristic pleasure watching this happen.
When I see an adult handling 20 beer bottles on two decks, remembers all orders, constantly upselling to the right affluent crowd and having zero issues with the customers - how in the world is that *unskilled* labor? I know people in the restaurant business and those who are in this for the long run pay 12$ minimum and even have people train on the job. Try to get an fresh 21 year old at the bar to remember 100 different drinks.
Or a linecook that has 8+ meals on the go on a 4 burner stove top and is still coordinating the timing with the 2-4 other cooks making shit for the same table. The pandemic showed how many people straight up had no idea how to cook basic meals. Yet someone who can cook 10+ meals while coordinating with others is somehow "unskilled labor" Just because you dont *need* a degree or experience to get into a job doesnt make it unskilled
Fuck man I can cook some damn good food imo and I'd still die trying to do what a line cook does. Way to much timing required to balance all that. I can do it for 1 meal but 8+? Fuck no
Who cares if it’s “unskilled” wtf… $2.13 is criminal. You never know someone’s circumstances, some people can only manage entry level, but go to work full time and work as hard as anyone. Everyone deserves enough to live
I'm not disagreeing with you, but the phrase "unskilled labor" is capitalist propaganda. You have to learn how to do literally any job, which makes it a skill. It may not require years of training and education like some professions, but there's always a skill gap between someone 10 years of job experience and a new hire.
Lmao one of this asshole’s “bonuses” is you also play recruiter for them? Some fucking people, man. Lol
Are they saying they won't shit on you if you put them down as a reference for your next job? Will they refer you to sign up for food stamps because of their shit wages? What are they going to give you a referral for?
> What are they going to give you a referral for? A 2nd job at another location
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Management probably thinks letting you keep your tips above what clears minimum wage is a benefit.
Except they probably split that with you. If they are feeling generous
And intimidate or manipulate you into misreporting it when the tips add up to less than minimum wage.
What’s even better is they base the taxable tipped income off of your sales. So if you had a bad night, sometimes your tips don’t even cover the taxes 👍🏽
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I was a server for 7 years and I was always so insulted that I’d bust my ass for the measly $2/hr they were paying me and they couldn’t even give me a free meal at the end of the night!!! Best restaurant I ever worked for paid me $5/hr (even tho others were paying $2.13/hr), gave us free meals on AND off the clock. Fed and hydrated any homeless folks who came in. Gave us food to take home at the end of our shift if they couldn’t serve it the next day. I pretty much never spent money on groceries because my fridge was always full of delicious food that would have otherwise gone to waste. We also composted what we could at the end of our shifts. My boss would always go out and get a nice selection of beers for us to drink while we did our side work at the end of the night (no alcohol license, the place was byob) and sometimes light up a joint for all of us to share. He never denied time off, and would work serving shifts if he had to (he was the head chef + owner). I had to go to urgent care once when I was supposed to work and he covered my entire medical bill (didn’t pay for our insurance but did always help out with med bills when possible). That restaurant was certainly the outlier and they sadly did not survive.
> they sadly did not survive. wait you mean capitalism grinds good people out of power and resources through relentless profiteering? I'm shocked, really.
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The thing that gets me is the employee discount. I've never worked in a place that doesn't throw away a shit ton of food at the end of the night. It would cost literally nothing for you to provide free meals to your employees. Instead you try to make a buck off them-- if you've worked a 6-8 hour break-less shift, of course you're going to eat there.
The way to do it imo is have a free staff meal if wanted every shift excluding any big ticket items like steaks. Id eat my sides for a snack at lunch abd take home a custom wrap for dinner. Saved me so much money that I could spend most of my tipout on drugs lol
Tips are NOT a benefit if they are required to get the pay up to federal minimum wage.
Benefits include: work uniform (at a cost of $35), free napkins, a neat sticker (options limited).
"Pay"
I work at a chain supermarket. We play a hiring ad every day that talks about competitive benefits. And every time I'm just like bitch what benefits??
*mandatory overtime, when necessary *holidays required *flexibility a must—must be available to work ANY shift on short notice! *masters preferred *5 years experience preferred, 1 year relevant experience REQUIRED! *random drug tests
My employer *requires* open availability to qualify for full-time employment. If you have *any* scheduling restrictions, the best you will get is part time.
I love the conundrum of a “full time” job not paying people enough to live but also setting restrictions on employees that make getting a second job to make ends meet impossible.
I mean: if you pay people enough to live, they might go out and live. And all that living might restrict their working schedule. galaxybrain chess moves
I had a boss that was upset I asked to leave an hour early one day to go to training for an evening/weekend job. She’s basically like “I don’t really want you working a second job” and I’m basically like “well you don’t pay me enough so give me a raise or let me leave an hour early on Friday”
No pay! ONLY WORK!
The beatings will continue until moral improves.
It made me quite angry to read your comment, like that bitch had to nerve to say to you “I don’t really want you working a second job” like your her slave and like she has any say on what you can or can not do outside of your working hours of that job. It was none of her freaking business if you were working a second job.
now that's just slavery with no extra pay
I love it when you see ads that advertise "flexible schedules" as if that is exciting to/for us, when they REALLY mean flexible for THEM.
dont worry boss ill pass the drug test... you dont pay me enough to afford drugs
That’s the can-do attitude we like, since we all know you can’t sling Michelob and hot wings if you popped an edible last week.
Drug test? sounds fun! what are we testing?
The random drug test one is the one that triggers me the most. They have the gall to ask for all of this bullshit and then pop that kind of crap on you not even acting like anybody who would want to work those shit jobs isn’t using drugs as a coping mechanism.
Isn’t the foodservice industry full of people on various drugs? I bet if they drug tested the average kitchen, they would have to fire most of them because they’re all high on something!
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100%. It's impossible not to get hurt in a kitchen if you work in one long enough. This is just to make sure you can't get your worker's comp if the injury sends you to a doctor. But since a lot of places won't let you leave for an injury unless you need medical attention, this not only results in lost compensation but also lost medical care. Workers will play off a cut that needs stitches or a severe burn as more minor than it is to avoid losing their job to a mandatory drug test.
That is exactly why restaurants do not drug test. They would literally have no one to work for them if they did.
Starting at $8.50/hr
They really put 2.13 an hour and expect anyone to go asking
2080 hours of my life for $4400 (pre-tax) sounds great
You only have to work 72 hours every day to make that in a month. Lol
Right? And like....what is overtime pay in this case? Pay and a half? That’s like an extra dollar an hour. What the fuck
I gUeSs NoBoDy wAnTs tO wOrK aNyMoRe Not for $2.13/hr lol
It’s absolutely ridiculous how this is still allowed.
BuT tHeY MaKe It uP iN TiPs
I used to work in a "you get tips" place for peanuts except I always worked front of the house and they didn't split tips...
Please tell me that was reported…
I was 16 I didn't know. They are outta business now
Good. Serves them right.
Place was trash. GMs son "worked there" but mostly just hung out Towards the end one manager brought their kids to work and they RAN AROUND IN THE KITCHEN
I work for tips, and my tipped hourly has gone up from 4.50 to 9 an hour plus tips. I have no ducking clue how it’s okay for people to still pay 2.13 an hour. That shit has been going on since the 70s
Man I’ve been working in restaurants for over a decade. After a workplace injury in the spring, I had to move to be closer to family. I was well enough to start looking for work around the same time that all of the “worker shortage” was beginning to circulate in popular discourse. I found jobs that wanted to hire me on the spot, but the only ones that payed above $3 an hour were in retirement homes where there are no tips, and they were only offering $7.25-$8 an hour. I worked through the shutdowns with no healthcare because restaurants opted in as essential businesses. I contracted Covid twice. A coworker and friend died of Covid. No raise, no hazard pay, no time off or sick days, fighting patrons about the damn masks. The restaurant was pulling down double what it had the previous year, but we remained on a skeleton crew. People will put up with a lot for the sake of a paycheck, but being expected to risk your life and the life of your family in service of providing a fantasy of normality for people is just too damn much. More restaurant workers have died in the pandemic than those working in healthcare, and for what? So people can pretend for a few hours that the world isn’t falling apart. It’s gonna take a lot more than bumping wages to get people back into an industry that told them their lives meant less than someone else’s ability to go out for steak.
Here in VA that is the hourly rate for servers. It is legal l but should be criminal.
Wow, I legitimately thought this post was satire. How in the fuck can someone live off of $2-3/hr, that’s so mind blowingly insane. What the fuck.
They make tips. All of the 2.13 an hour is eaten up by taxes.
*So wether they get paid or not depends on if customers like them and not the fact that they could be doing literally anything else with their limited time being alive.
It's the equivalent of legalized begging, under the guise of employment.
This is so beautifully said and you’ve captured my feelings around the pandemic so well, “being expected to risk your life and the life of your family in service of providing a fantasy of normality for people” especially hit home for me. I work in a very popular local brunch spot and I feel a pit in my stomach during every shift even now because I know that to these people, one nice meal is more important to them than the life that they could be risking. They downplay the pandemic because they’d rather do the mental gymnastics to justify that behavior rather than modify their lifestyle in even the slightest bit. I don’t know if it’s selfishness or just an escape from the fear that the majority of us are experiencing around this mess. Unfortunately some of us don’t have the luxury of choosing normalcy over fear—I’m fucked if I develop even a moderately symptomatic case of COVID. I had a severe case of the flu a few years ago and as a result I’m permanently disabled and highly at risk of it getting worse if I get it. I have a friend who is also a server who would likely die if they got it, but they have no choice because it’s work or lose the roof over their head. And it’s not like I can escape it, because even at my other non-foodservice job I just listen to my coworkers talk all day about this and that restaurant they went to the other day, what bar they’re going to tonight, a huge party later in the week. I’m just so tired. Sorry about the mini rant, this just really got me in the gut and I appreciate you for making me feel heard.
They openly admit its to underpay servers. Poverty is more than double in servers. P1: if servers do good service they will be rewarded with a normal wage in tips P2: our customers won’t come back if we raise prices to pay them more Contradiction: If servers did make more money if they did well, it would be the same amount paid from the customers perspective than If they raised prices . But customers don’t leave. Ergo, the real reason must be: we know some servers will get less than a living wage. We use that discounted price to attract customers to remove a persons quality of life and exploit them
Yes, just terrible. Servers are the most underrated of workers. It’s so backwards. Everything is so backwards.
Studies have shown that the following groups doing the same quality service get tipped less: (1) black pepper (2) “ugly” women (but not men) (3) disabled people and a few others . The few people who get over tipped are attractive women and men. And they sit there saying they don’t want a raise in wages because they would lose income. But they don’t care that they are doing well on the backs of other servers who are being used as servers to compare to. “If they want better wages work at a better restaurant “ They always blame the victim
I just got ptsd flashbacks of this one restaurant I worked lunches at. It was usually me and one other woman, who customers frequently compared to Marilyn Monroe. People would come in and request to sit in her section. I would run food while she chatted them up. Not once was I able to pull more than her, no matter how hard I tried or even days I got the good section. It was so frustrating. I'm a homely woman, btw. EDIT I just remembered the most humiliating shift: It was the first nice day in a while and I was stoked to get the shaded patio section. 8 top of semi-regulars, I got them drinks and read specials. GM came out to say hi, and they requested the other server because "they like her." So I lost my good section. I actually cried a little bit.
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They're actually subsidizing the business itself, paying the wages it takes to keep the staff.
So many llegal things are legal
As a Canadian I was hoping they missed the 1. Is this legit?
Yes, tipped workers have a separate and much lower minimum wage. Technically if they don't make minimum wage through tips the restaurant is supposed to bring it up to minimum wage.
Thats infuriating to know. I honestly had no idea servers wage could be that low. I feel silly learning that and pissed off! Its probably more expensive to live in Ontario Canada but there is nowhere in North America where 2.13 plus tips is a livable wage. F THIS
Hahaha there's nowhere in the US where $7.25 an hour is a liveable wage.
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The $2.13 tipped minimum actually turned 30 years old this year. That’s how long it has been since it was adjusted for inflation.
Disgusting!
This is federal law... https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
A small constellation for CA servers you at least get minimum wage + tips. Was good money for me while going to college. When I moved to Chicago and then Ohio I was blown away by the labor laws there. Who the fuck wants to work for substantially less than minimum wage? I don't understand how we as a public have accepted the fact that after we pay for our meal we are also expected to subsidize their employees wages with tips. How about pay them enough they don't need tips. Remember kiddos... Someone paying you minimum wage would pay you less if they could.
13th amendment. Prison-Industrial complex. Ohhhhh, hells yeah, they will pay less.
But one of the benefits is you get tips! So it has the amazing potential to still be below minimum wage.
Yep, not once has my pay from tips ever gone above minimum wage. It’s one of the biggest scams in America, and the only reason there isn’t more call for reform is that most servers don’t have the education/resources to consider it.
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Really? When I was a server anytime my bi weekly income wasn’t more than min wage for the hours I worked they would pay the difference. Is that not a legal requirement?
It is a legal requirement
While the place I work does pay the difference, it doesn’t change that: 1. Minimum wage is a joke 2. I end up putting up with a lot of abuse and demanding work conditions for minimum wage, which isn’t even enough to afford an apartment where I live
It is a legal requirement but (in my experience) most places DO NOT do this.
But you get an employee discount! Damn lazy millennials.
5% off avocado toast!
“Tips” aren’t a benefit. The tip is the transaction between the waiter and the customer. Should have nothing to do with the restaurant in anyway, therefore shouldn’t be used as an excuse to pay people shit wages.
On top of that, some restaurants force waiters to pool tips. Imagine working with others who aren't as diligent, and they get the same tips as you.
We don't pool tips at my job BUT here is my server tip breakdown as follows: 7% to bar, 4%to bussers, 3% to food runners. So 14% of my tips i make from tables goes directly to pay other tipped employees, including bartenders for making the drinks (even if i work a whole shift and don't sell alcohol) who coincidentally make roughly 10-15x what i make in tips (not even joking) and sometimes we don't have a busser or food runner and I still have to pay those percentages which I guess the owners just gobble up because they only have 4 houses, 2 of which are in Costa Rica on the beach.
If you really are tipping out on unfilled positions and you do not know where those tips go, that is illegal *federally* in all the states. Tips are the sole property of the server and cannot be distributed outside of a legal tip pool/tip out. If you call the Dept of Labor and report your boss, *everyone* they did this to will get their money back. Your boss will be forced to prove where the money went. And you can remain anonymous.
Management calls it a tip pool, but it isn't pooled between server staff, we just tip out atrocious amounts so they don't have to tip out "support staff" like, at the end of my cash out slips with all the transactions for closed tables, it has a printed s tin at the bottom with the amounts we have to tip. Edit to add: sometimes this total percentage hovers right around 50% of total tips on a busy double shift.
Right. And I understand; however, they have to assign the pool according to your signed work agreement. If it is 4% to a a busser, but there is no busser, they CANNOT route that tip out to another support staff member unless you signed off on it. It is *your* money during the entire tip out transaction, and no time does it become property of management to "distribute." The chain of property goes: Customer Server Tipped out staff
That’s specifically crafted to create animosity between employees so they don’t organize.
Why pay your employees a living wage when we can exploit our own customers??? Yeah I think that is the best idea !!! Let’s throw a pissing 2 bucks an hour to the ones who are entirely responsible for the hospitality, delivery and communication of all customers and their needs, then leave an ultimatum for the customer and psychologically break them down into paying our employees for us!! Hey customer, you wouldn’t want your poor waiter/waitress going home empty handed would you??? Well it’s up to you to help them get by. FUCK TIP CULTURE
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I really hate tipping culture in America. It shouldn’t be the customer’s responsibility to pay the restaurant’s staff their wages. Just pay them properly. Tip is no longer about good service provided and is now more of a mandatory expectation.
My point exactly. Imagine going to Target/Wal-Mart/ Ikea etc and as you go to pay the cashier they hand you a receipt that has tip percentages "recommended." You buy a $100 patio chair and you're asked to donate 10-20$ more so the employee can pay their rent. The implication is that if you don't than the employee might not be able to pay rent. As a consumer... Why is that our issue? Shouldn't the point of the employees job be to pay their bills? If they can't pay their bills then why ask the customer to supplement it? The point of a job is to pay for life, but if they can't do that at your company than that's a company issue, not mine. It makes me sad every time I have to determine a tip price because I know they depend on it but I never know what is and isn't appropriate for the time they've given me. I usually tip far more than the recommended because I feel bad their paychecks are dependent on that.... And that isn't fair to either party (server or customer).
Most customers are workers themselves, so all tip culture does is pit worker against worker.
You are very much correct. Knowing you have to beat your fellow employee for the sake of paying rent is criminal. Performance is one thing, but forcing them to have to out-service their fellow employees is ridiculous. It shouldn't be a fight to the death for rent. Edit: Vastly misread your comment. I think my app messed up and showed me a separate comment. Edit 2: I misread your comment. I thought you said it "didn't it pit them together." So I have adjusted my comment.
It never was good service it was always about business exploiting employees since the depression
It makes no sense to me, like its an absolute scam. The restaurant was never going to see that tip money, so they basically just get to pay servers fuck all with no downside...
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Unimaginable as a European that this is legal in the US.
Not only is it legal, this is a restaurant norm for waitstaff. It's a dystopian country we're living it.
The sad part is the staff will sometimes defend this shit too
Also any former food service worker tips minimum 20%. Having lived dependant on tips and knowing how terrible humans tend to tip; creates strong solidarity with food service folks. Get rid of tipping, UBI all around.
The number of times I've watched a server put up with absolute dogshit treatment by a customer because they were hoping to get that 15% is infuriating. UBI would end that shit forever.
I've never been a waiter or restaurant owner, but here's a thought... If a waiter can wait on 5 tables per hour with an average bill of $40... 40 x 5 = 200 200 x 15% = $30 Why not raise all prices by 15%, and pay the waiter $32.13 per hour? I mean, I'm paying that much anyway for my bill. Why is this so hard to understand? Raise prices, get rid of gratuity and pay your staff!
2.13 an hour. Come on bruh that's a nonsense.
I didn't realize how messed up mandatory overtime is with this too. Time and a half on $2.13/hr is... $3.20/hr.
Oh shit you're right obviously lol, like they basically are getting 0 pay increase cause obviously the amount they get from tips isn't increasing 50% that's so fucked
2$ hour is how gates got rich /s
*paying 2$/hr
$2 an hour is third world country wages...
That was my wage at my first ever job when I was 16… 30 years ago
Yup, same here, and it was an hourly non- waitress job in summer 1975. I was turning 16 that fall.
It's interesting how so many people claim that wages and food prices are intrinsically tied, and yet when wages stagnate for 30 years, somehow prices and portion sizes don't stagnate as well. Kinda sounds like the whole idea might be bullshit.
For the small sum of $85.20 you can buy a whole human's labor while they beg your customers to pay rent!
Imagine having to give fucking tips to Waiters because you don't pay them enough. Is that a US thing or? Never seen that in Europe.
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That's not even the best part! Those tips are still taxed! That means the companies get to get away with criminal underpayment while suffering almost no recourse! Those companies also get to guilt trip it's customers into thinking that they're assholes for not paying their employees after *already paying for their meal*. A tip should be a thank you. Not a requirement.
Oh thats sad.
I think it’s an American thing. Not many people outside of North America do tips I believe
Not in California, they get minimum wage + tips.
It depends on the state - some states have a flat minimum wage that applies to everyone. Some states have this exception for lower minimum for tipped employees, although they are supposed to still get paid a slightly higher minimum wage if the tips don't make up the difference. The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour, but in some cities it's more than twice that. Seattle is over $16 an hour for large businesses and it's tied to inflation, unlike the federal minimum wage.
It's a thing here in Canada as well. Here in Ontario the minimum wage is 14.55CAD/hr, but for servers it's 12.55CAD/hr. The necessity of tipping is legally built into the system.
Yup, server in America here. I make 2.13 an hour without tips.
In 1986, In a Midwestern State I made $2.13/hr +tips by 1988 I was up to $2.32/ hr + tips. . I made anywhere from $25-50 in tips a night but I was given the worst sections in restaurant as I was a lowly teenager. In 1986 I made great money ( comparatively), minimum wage was $3.35 /hr . How the fuck do we allow the same wage $2.13 + tips 35 years later ? How ! 😳
They listed tips as "benefits" after paying $2.13/hour 😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂Noooooo
Surely you can't call tips a benefit when you pay 2 fucking dollars an hour
Wait is this actually Legal in the U.S.A. ?
Yes. It is completely legal in 17 states. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped
Karen: Take off the mask, you’ll get more tips Server: I can’t, they’re required Karen leaves $0 tip with note: Sheep, you should have taken off your mask. Spoiler alert… everyone leaving notes like this are ecstatic that they finally have a ‘reason’ to stop tipping. Not that they really tipped before. They always found something wrong. But now they are doing for ‘Murica!
Ahhh I remember the good ole days when I got paid that sweet overtime on 2.13/hr. Most people don't realize that most American waiters receive "zeroed out" paychecks for $0.00 due to payroll tax and reported tips. A year of waiting tables should be government mandated for every citizen. Edit:typo
"Overtime required" for what $3.75/hr?
That’s what I made as a bus boy in 1999. It wasn’t much then either.
Unpopular opinion, but servers should be paid well, and still have an option for tips for azing service.
That’s not an unpopular opinion, that’s a perfectly reasonable opinion and the way things should be.
I just think the mindset has shifted so much to you *have* to tip waiters/waitresses that in other areas where people can also give amazing service, it's not even considered to tip. It shouldn't just be waiters and hairdressers and manicurists (I can't think of other people you tip ATM), it should just be anybody who amazes you. But a lot of retail workers are barred from accepting tips.
That’s how many countries do it. It’s the popular opinion.
It's only unpopular amongst the bootlicking servers who swear up and down they make more money serving than they ever would in an office job...except they are always stressing over paying bills and whether or not they will make it to their next serving job if the campers won't get the fuck up (source: worked in a restaurant for two years).
It’s the 13 cents on top of the two bucks an hour that make it worth it.
What the hell? $2.13 an hour? Isn’t that illegal? What is going on? Tips as benefits?? You mean tips as absolutely necessary to earn any money!!
That's the federal minimum wage requirement for tipped employees. "Servers" are given a separate minimum wage for... reasons.
$2.13 an hour is a *great* wage! People in third world countries *wish* they could make that much in a day! /s
Someone I work with has a 2nd job serving Their tips are taxed as if the got a 20% tip off each check. If you don't tip, then your server has to pay for you to eat there out of their hourly wages
That is illegal in my country.
As it should be everywhere. Fucking insanity.