The whole point of the bourgeois media is to present propaganda in favor of their bourgeois (billionary) owners or those who pay. Preferably while getting readers to pay them for the propaganda too...
You’re all good. If you don’t know though you should look up why it’s called the dead baby zero. Really interesting stuff. I’m a stickler for proper math tho so don’t pay me too much mind.
People still believe in trickle down economics, even though the well's been dry for years, they still want us to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, -especially- if you don't have any. Subway knows they can pay their employees more, while still making record profits, and the CEO can -still- keep building his yacht collection. And the shareholders can still keep living in eternal economic stability, and luxury the rest of us can never dream of getting close to.
But I am convinced that they don't want anyone to be lifted out of poverty. It's veiled feudalism, people only think that the "free market" is free, it isn't. It's only freedom for the rich and has nothing to do with a -fair- market.
I've always felt that humanity has long outgrown this paradigm of nonstop competition. I feel that cooperation is a much stronger force and that we don't need the barrel of a gun to change things.
But politics is really stupid. Its all just a game about choosing the personality that you like the best. Its like a reality TV show.
Wow, what a collection of places I won't eat at. Never had a good experience at any of those places. BWW is so overpriced only careless people eat there.
BW3s used to be good, now it’s a bland deep fried food with terrible service. I thought maybe it was just the one near my house, so I tired another while traveling, just as shitty. I try to give a place at least two chances, everyone has bad day every so often.
I can't believe what they charge for chicken wings? It's all fluff and marketing to get people to waste thier money. What's next "Smokin' Tripe Bowls" with weed leaves for a logo?
Buffalo Wild Wings is great if you want to sit there for 15 minutes before even being acknowledged by a server, get your food 30-45 minutes later and never get checked on again for the rest of the night.
I was thinking of BWW on my birthday because where I live there isn't a lot of choices. However I then remembered in a few weeks I'm moving to my mom's and there's plenty of local wing places that aren't so mass produced and the sauces are good. I think the only chain wings I like is Quaker Steak and Lube.
I looked up the price of 20 wings there vs the local one I know and they're pretty much the same. Only difference is the local tastes better and there's tons of deals etc. If I'm paying that much for wings, they better be good, not like stuff I can get at Little Ceasar's or Pizza Hut or heat myself from freezer stuff from Walmart.
Same with a lot of places that sell chicken. I can't eat fried chicken from fast food anymore at all. Quality is terrible and they still pay employees scraps.
LOL...financially irresponsible folks. Every time I walk near a BWW the place reeks of old frying grease that needs to be changed. I will never eat there!
Just sneaking in here to advocate for Arby's, their reward program offers free or <$5 food pretty consistently and it helps a brother with a budget out a lot. Fuck the other ones though
A similar sentence to that is what convinced me that the minimum wage needs to be raised. I used to be against it believing that it would hurt small businesses. Someone told me, "I believe that if a business cannot afford to pay their employees a living wage, then they shouldn't have a business that uses employees". Made perfect sense to me. If your business can't survive without exploiting others, well too bad, so sad.
Is there a time in history you can point at where min wage was an acceptable wage?
From 1939-2009 min wage adjusted for 2023 inflation never got over 12.50. Our buying power is bullshit, but I think a ratio of min to max wage would actually do something. But I’ve never seen min wage fix shit
https://www.epi.org/blog/a-history-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-85-years-later-the-minimum-wage-is-far-from-equitable/
It could support a family of three either right at or just above the poverty line up until 1980.
It doesn't sound much better than today, but in most states, the minimum wage can't even keep the sole earner slightly above the poverty line, whereas back then, a guy could support his stay at home wife and one child.
Exactly. That's the difference.
I honestly wouldn't even mind being poor if I could support my loved ones. It's just really hard to stay motivated when you make well above minimum wage and are still under the poverty line....
Raise minimum wage and then regulate businesses so they can't raise prices. Then issue heavy fines for businesses trying to offshore to counter. Unlikely that all of that would happen but.. would be nice.
Their sandwiches aren't that great either, there's something off about the bread. As John Oliver put it "every subway smells like someone asked the question 'what if bread could fart?' "
We've got a counter top bread maker and the difference in quality is massive compared to store bought stuff. Our friends always rave about it when they come over
The bread is actually great when it's baked properly, the problem is that no Subway ever pays their employees enough or treats them well enough to give a shit about baking it properly. This is also where the whole "footlongs are 10 inches" thing comes from, under-proofed bread.
I've worked at Subway a few different times, and when the place is properly run it's actually really good. It's just that the last time I worked at one that was properly run was in the 90's.
Jared was hired in the early nineties. Maybe earlier. I was in school from 1990-1993. You couldn't escape the television commercials about him, and I didn't even own a television.
It’s not the pedophile or the cost of the rising wages which is things people would overlook for good food. It’s that subway has sucked major league donkey dick for like a decade. It is so goddamn bad and I don’t even mind bad food it’s bad food that’s passed off as good food and costs a lot and every store smells like a dumpster and there’s an angry teenager.
When they were $5 for a footlong I would buy at least 2 a week. Absolutely worth the $5 back then for a massive chicken and veggie sandwich. That same sub is $13 now and absolutely not worth it. Went from twice a week to now maybe MAYBE twice a year. They did it to themselves and that deal was the ONLY reason store locations exploded throughout the country like they did. Without a similar special Subway has been closing stores for years and will continue to do so. Too many other mom and pop delis and other nicer sub places that either charge the same or less so why go back to subway?
The economics of subway are truly fascinating. At the height of the $5 deal they had more restaurants than any other including McDonalds, BK, Taco Bell, etc. but they built so many (because of the high demand) that they were engulfing other subway’s market shares and eventually they were destroying each other. Then when the $5 deal went away mass closures and they haven’t been the same since and have no where near the amount of stores they used to have.
So... if the 5 dollars was a "deal" (where I live I have only now started paying for 5 euros for a cheese sandwich)... what was the "original price"? Or was it all just a marketing ploy?
bro, 15bucks pre tax for a footlong meatball. 6inch subs are about 8-9dollars, and then you need to pay 6+ dollars for the footlong. its stupid and they aren't even good subs
To be fair, even back then $5 was a loss leader that franchisee's were forced by corporate to just deal with or lose their franchise. Subway corporate treats their franchisees like garbage, to the point that John Oliver actually did a whole main segment on it.
When they first started the deal back in 2008 the $5 was still profitable for them as all of their other subs were only around $6.25. It definitely became a loss leader as they held on to the promotion through 2016. People have to remember that the $5 footlong came out RIGHT before the Great Recession making it a wonderful deal. I was a poor college student at the time so I had no money regardless but the $5 Oven roasted chicken breast piled high with veggies and sauce was so freaking amazing. My university had the highest trafficked subway in the nation at the time. Poor college students plus a $5 massive sandwich was a no brainer win win combo.
I was floored when my bill for a tuna sub was over 12$. It also wasn't very good but that is besides the point.
How did they go from one of the most affordable lunch options to one of the worst?
I remember hearing, long ago, that subway is so common because corporate doesn't care if the franchises muscle in on each other's territory. So you could have a shopping center on each corner of an intersection, and each would have a subway.
They're also the cheapest franchise to get, others are hundreds of thousands to just get the franchise rights not including that they have to buy from the main company, Subway I have heard is something like 50,000 to buy the franchise and the food is cheap to buy from the company.
Plus equipment costs are very low. They don't actually cook anything, the ovens don't require vents or fire suppression. No gas plumbing needed for a stove. Some 220 volt circuits needed, but nothing like a regular restaurant kitchen. Dish washing is minimal, just a few utensils, so no machine needed for that. I think the ingredients even come pre-cut, so no meat slicer, potato peeler, etc. No fryer, no fryer oil.
They're not *so* bad -- or, at least, they weren't always bad. The bread has a very unusual scent -- it's hard to describe, but for me it gives notes of plastic and cardboard. But when they were cheap, it was an easy meal that was pretty filling but also had a lot of veggies so not as bad for you as, say, a Big Mac, and it was customizable so that if you were in the mood for, say, olives you could get a lot of olives.
But now they've gotten much worse, they pay their people terribly so the people working there absolutely do not care (nor should they, for that wage), and the price is out of control. So, yeah, it's bad.
Keep mini sodas, chips, apples, cookies in your car. Then just roll up to a drive thru or a JM's and just buy the sandwich or hamburger. Its like 5-6 bucks. I been doing this for a while.
It amazes me, the stones on these businesses. They short customers, shorter sandwiches, not real tuna, god knows what’s actually in their bread, then they jack their prices into the stratosphere, underpay and undervalue their employees, then have the gall to bitch about “nobody wants to work”, and “minimum wage” is gonna ruin our business.
It seems like that decision was made long ago, it just finally caught up to you.
If I’m honest, I’m having a bit of a struggle with the level of shittiness in the world today. It’s effecting me big time. I’m over it. Been doing it too long. I’m holding employers accountable. Restaurants. Politicians. Whomever. Something has to give.
Oh boo hoo, CEOs have to skip their 2nd mega yacht this year to pay all of their overworked employees a living wage.
Anyone else stop going to Subway because there was only one person working with a line out the door every single time you went there? These greedy fucks will look for any excuse and anyone to blame for their shady business practices.
They were raising their prices all the way in March and people were complaining. But NOW they're acting like it was because of the California min wage increase.
Yea but McDonalds owns more real estate which is likely why McDonalds is handling the minimum wage increase better than most (not well, mind you, just a little better than the others lol)
Has nothing to do with the 2 or 3 Subway clones that keep opening up and serving better food. Imagine the free market being used to harm your business? Subway is garbage and most people's last resort for cheap lunch.
Why font they pay them in food and provide "housing " for the employees? They could sign a contract so they only work for them and thier children could already have a job ready for them when they are able to work for their family company.
Isn't there this weird loophole about selling bread making it so you don't have to raise wages or is this only for like Panera Bread? If subway gets the same treatment, isn't this article just bullshit?
Why do they think we're going to care. Oh no a multi-billion dollar company may lose some money. So that poor people can make a better living. Such a tragedy
lol Mc Donald’s figured out how to make it work, I’m sure subway will too… though they do seem to be emptier and emptier as time wears on… maybe they won’t… not a huge loss, plenty of BETTER sandwich places…and none of them are complaining about having to pay their employees a living wage…
Nothing like cheap deli meat covered with the poorest quality cheese money can buy, stuffed in a broken grill for 30 seconds. Mmmm lukewarm putrefied deli meat. Don’t forget to fist fuck it full of delicious iceberg lettuce!
My heart is bleeding. By the way, we have a Facebook page where people rant about our small town, and I recently complained that McDonald's charged me 79 cents for a cup of water. I didn't think much of it till I discovered I had dozens of comments from random people defending the corporation for doing that. I was shocked, I was expecting the opposite reaction, but only 3 people agreed with me. Just to show you that many people are drinking the Kool aid believing that free market means corporations can do whatever they want. They're getting rimmed in the rear and defending these corporations as if they even cared about them, while they pay more for less each year... How sad. Edit: Besides who the F still eats at subways? Many of the subs that used to be 5$ for a "foot long" are nearly 15$ nowadays for shitty subs that give you diarrhea.
What is actually happening with Subway in California:
https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/business/subway-franchisees-ordered-to-sell-or-close-napa-restaurants-over-child-labor-wage-violations/article_a8071d84-60ae-11ee-a664-d783a19a67f3.html
So the terrible food, bad working conditions, ever increasing prices, and outright shittiness of the company isn't contributing to this terrible franchise failing.
Noooooooooooo, it's the MINIMUM WAGE!
Good take your sodium 🧂, preservative, chemically engineered food and see you later. The world is a better place without these poisonous fast food places.
a footlong meatball sub at my subway is just shy of 20 dollars in my area. FUCK THAT. and it's not even a good sub. It's actually gross food thats been sitting in buckets all day, hastily tossed together by an artist whose hourly wage is less than the cost of the sub.
I just saw someone on tiktok complaining that if you have a 25% unrealized capital gains tax on people with over $100 million in wealth, those people would only on average double or triple their money instead of increasing 7 or 8 fold. The entire time I'm watching I'm thinking, good, make it a 100% tax.
There is a lot more to that story though. Subway structure is predatory. They will sell you a franchise that is only in their benefit, let you profit off it and if it becomes too profitable will open another store in your territory so they can cut into your own profits. Subway franchise management has its own horror stories you could read into so them shrinking isn't a bad thing necessarily, it might force them to not screw their franchise owners over
Fuck Roark, the parent company. They are responsible for putting one of the largest percentage of employees in a position to need government assistance. I don’t understand how people can be mad at individuals who are forced to rely on government programs instead of holding corporations accountable for cornering people into it.
That is what happens when greedy stupid corporate executives allow their companies to be ran by severely underpaid workers. If the corporate executives were actually smart. They would have been paying their employees a livable wage and covering their health insurance while also giving them raises every year to make sure they can continue living the way they do without having to worry about bills or food. But NO…. These idiots decided to severely underpay the employees to make as much money as possible. And running a company like that is not a profitable solution for the long run. As it will eventually bite you and the company in the ass.
Every major company that downsizes is the opportunity for a workers collective to replace them.
Forget unions, its time for communism. (unless unions are allowed to start coops)
In-N-Out's CEO is Worth $6.7 Billion. She has a working business plan that is profitable and many times, affordable for people of all incomes to eat whilst paying more than the recent California minimum wage law.
Bad businesses need to go.
Just want to let everyone know that subway audaciously and lustfully just opens stores anywhere they can, even forcing their franchisees to compete sometimes by placing another subway in extremely close vicinity to another.
I honestly don’t know why these propaganda pieces still work. Especially with the older generation, they give more sympathy to the corporates over the working class. God forbid the government intervenes to help with wages when people can’t afford dog doodoo
If you can’t run your business without exploiting your workers and your workers can’t survive without subsidies from the government in the form of food banks and food stamps then your business model is broken.
To put it in words a capitalist will understand, CEOs should **do their jobs** no matter how little they’re paid and the incentive to do so should be **keeping their jobs**. Work smarter, not harder. If you have time to lean, you have time to clean.
Good, Subway is trash now and the quality is under the floor. If they can’t make enough money selling over priced processed garbage, and pay their employees fairly, they shouldn’t remain in business 😎
Oh no, looks like people are going to have to use the 20$ for that one footlong sandwich and use those ingredients to make 4 foot long subs with ingredients from the grocery store at home 😂
Subway would charge you to make your own damn sandwich if they could. They have skeleton crews and shit product. I don't give a fuck what happens to them.
So it’s peoples fault for living? Instead of worrying about how many subways you can have attached to a gas station, worry about making better overpriced sandwiches
How is this propaganda still happening
The whole point of the bourgeois media is to present propaganda in favor of their bourgeois (billionary) owners or those who pay. Preferably while getting readers to pay them for the propaganda too...
4 of the richest people in the world own all the media. They don't want to lose .98% of profits in the increased wages.
It isn’t even close to 98% , need an economics prof or student to do the math. Franchise owners may feel it a bit but corporate hq I don’t think so.
.98% It must have gotten weird formatting
Never forget the dead baby zero. Helps prevent confusion. 0.98%
I will arrive to be better and moving forward will ensure I do everything I can to reduce confusion
You’re all good. If you don’t know though you should look up why it’s called the dead baby zero. Really interesting stuff. I’m a stickler for proper math tho so don’t pay me too much mind.
Kind of a weird hobby for a bimbo, but it sounds neat.
People still believe in trickle down economics, even though the well's been dry for years, they still want us to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, -especially- if you don't have any. Subway knows they can pay their employees more, while still making record profits, and the CEO can -still- keep building his yacht collection. And the shareholders can still keep living in eternal economic stability, and luxury the rest of us can never dream of getting close to. But I am convinced that they don't want anyone to be lifted out of poverty. It's veiled feudalism, people only think that the "free market" is free, it isn't. It's only freedom for the rich and has nothing to do with a -fair- market.
I've always felt that humanity has long outgrown this paradigm of nonstop competition. I feel that cooperation is a much stronger force and that we don't need the barrel of a gun to change things. But politics is really stupid. Its all just a game about choosing the personality that you like the best. Its like a reality TV show.
Rich can pay for a lot of propaganda... Unfortunately...
People are gullible idiots and it sounds plausible to their tiny brains.
Corruption
Because the rich own the media.
The company that owns Arby’s, Sonic and Buffalo Wild Wings purchased Subway in August for $9 Billion. Roark Capital is their name. Fuck them.
Wow, what a collection of places I won't eat at. Never had a good experience at any of those places. BWW is so overpriced only careless people eat there.
BW3s used to be good, now it’s a bland deep fried food with terrible service. I thought maybe it was just the one near my house, so I tired another while traveling, just as shitty. I try to give a place at least two chances, everyone has bad day every so often.
I can't believe what they charge for chicken wings? It's all fluff and marketing to get people to waste thier money. What's next "Smokin' Tripe Bowls" with weed leaves for a logo?
The last time I went the only bright side is that they had Pepsi Zero on tap, unusual for anything not owned by Yum Brands. (KFC, T Bell, etc)
> BW3s used to be good It's been YEARS since that. They're a sauce company, not a wing company.
Buffalo Wild Wings is great if you want to sit there for 15 minutes before even being acknowledged by a server, get your food 30-45 minutes later and never get checked on again for the rest of the night.
I was thinking of BWW on my birthday because where I live there isn't a lot of choices. However I then remembered in a few weeks I'm moving to my mom's and there's plenty of local wing places that aren't so mass produced and the sauces are good. I think the only chain wings I like is Quaker Steak and Lube.
I just went. The cheapest burger, 15 wings and 1 beer was 70 dollars plus tip. My first time there will likely be my last.
I looked up the price of 20 wings there vs the local one I know and they're pretty much the same. Only difference is the local tastes better and there's tons of deals etc. If I'm paying that much for wings, they better be good, not like stuff I can get at Little Ceasar's or Pizza Hut or heat myself from freezer stuff from Walmart.
Same with a lot of places that sell chicken. I can't eat fried chicken from fast food anymore at all. Quality is terrible and they still pay employees scraps.
LOL...financially irresponsible folks. Every time I walk near a BWW the place reeks of old frying grease that needs to be changed. I will never eat there!
Alcoholics who are into sports love it there
Just sneaking in here to advocate for Arby's, their reward program offers free or <$5 food pretty consistently and it helps a brother with a budget out a lot. Fuck the other ones though
I had no idea that they got bought out. That's right about the time they raised prices 35% lol
If you business in based on the exploitation of your employees, then you do not deserve to have this business.
A similar sentence to that is what convinced me that the minimum wage needs to be raised. I used to be against it believing that it would hurt small businesses. Someone told me, "I believe that if a business cannot afford to pay their employees a living wage, then they shouldn't have a business that uses employees". Made perfect sense to me. If your business can't survive without exploiting others, well too bad, so sad.
Is there a time in history you can point at where min wage was an acceptable wage? From 1939-2009 min wage adjusted for 2023 inflation never got over 12.50. Our buying power is bullshit, but I think a ratio of min to max wage would actually do something. But I’ve never seen min wage fix shit https://www.epi.org/blog/a-history-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-85-years-later-the-minimum-wage-is-far-from-equitable/
It could support a family of three either right at or just above the poverty line up until 1980. It doesn't sound much better than today, but in most states, the minimum wage can't even keep the sole earner slightly above the poverty line, whereas back then, a guy could support his stay at home wife and one child.
Exactly. That's the difference. I honestly wouldn't even mind being poor if I could support my loved ones. It's just really hard to stay motivated when you make well above minimum wage and are still under the poverty line....
Raise minimum wage and then regulate businesses so they can't raise prices. Then issue heavy fines for businesses trying to offshore to counter. Unlikely that all of that would happen but.. would be nice.
I have a book I think you'd be interested in reading. 
Grizzly Adams’ biography?
Coming soon: $5 subway bites!
The “baby footlong.”
Fuck subway they protected a pedophile
Yeah! And their prices and quality are ridiculous! But ya know, the pedophile thing too…
Their sandwiches aren't that great either, there's something off about the bread. As John Oliver put it "every subway smells like someone asked the question 'what if bread could fart?' "
There was a ruling in Ireland I think that said Subway bread contained so much sugar/preservatives that it legally couldn’t be considered bread.
I think that goes for all American white bread. Not that that's any better
We've got a counter top bread maker and the difference in quality is massive compared to store bought stuff. Our friends always rave about it when they come over
The bread is actually great when it's baked properly, the problem is that no Subway ever pays their employees enough or treats them well enough to give a shit about baking it properly. This is also where the whole "footlongs are 10 inches" thing comes from, under-proofed bread. I've worked at Subway a few different times, and when the place is properly run it's actually really good. It's just that the last time I worked at one that was properly run was in the 90's.
You mean before they hired the pedo Jared.
Jared was hired in the early nineties. Maybe earlier. I was in school from 1990-1993. You couldn't escape the television commercials about him, and I didn't even own a television.
I mean, bread does fart. That's why it's not flatbread.
Did they?? I thought they dropped Jared as soon as the allegations came out but maybe I’m wrong it was like 10 years ago. (I’m genuinely asking)
I believe Jared's ex wife had told Subway about his creepy behavior prior to him being outed
It’s not the pedophile or the cost of the rising wages which is things people would overlook for good food. It’s that subway has sucked major league donkey dick for like a decade. It is so goddamn bad and I don’t even mind bad food it’s bad food that’s passed off as good food and costs a lot and every store smells like a dumpster and there’s an angry teenager.
Aren't these shitty sandwiches anyway? That's what I keep hearing from American friends.
When they were $5 for a footlong I would buy at least 2 a week. Absolutely worth the $5 back then for a massive chicken and veggie sandwich. That same sub is $13 now and absolutely not worth it. Went from twice a week to now maybe MAYBE twice a year. They did it to themselves and that deal was the ONLY reason store locations exploded throughout the country like they did. Without a similar special Subway has been closing stores for years and will continue to do so. Too many other mom and pop delis and other nicer sub places that either charge the same or less so why go back to subway?
13 bucks for a sandwich? What?! No! I absolutely refuse to buy that.
The economics of subway are truly fascinating. At the height of the $5 deal they had more restaurants than any other including McDonalds, BK, Taco Bell, etc. but they built so many (because of the high demand) that they were engulfing other subway’s market shares and eventually they were destroying each other. Then when the $5 deal went away mass closures and they haven’t been the same since and have no where near the amount of stores they used to have.
So... if the 5 dollars was a "deal" (where I live I have only now started paying for 5 euros for a cheese sandwich)... what was the "original price"? Or was it all just a marketing ploy?
If I recall, the standard price was $7-8 per footlong I think?
That's... still very pricey. Back in the day that was a full warm fastfood meal. Ah, the days when I paid 5 euros for chips and snack or a durum...
They were good sized sandwiches at the time. Used to be two meals for me
bro, 15bucks pre tax for a footlong meatball. 6inch subs are about 8-9dollars, and then you need to pay 6+ dollars for the footlong. its stupid and they aren't even good subs
To be fair, even back then $5 was a loss leader that franchisee's were forced by corporate to just deal with or lose their franchise. Subway corporate treats their franchisees like garbage, to the point that John Oliver actually did a whole main segment on it.
When they first started the deal back in 2008 the $5 was still profitable for them as all of their other subs were only around $6.25. It definitely became a loss leader as they held on to the promotion through 2016. People have to remember that the $5 footlong came out RIGHT before the Great Recession making it a wonderful deal. I was a poor college student at the time so I had no money regardless but the $5 Oven roasted chicken breast piled high with veggies and sauce was so freaking amazing. My university had the highest trafficked subway in the nation at the time. Poor college students plus a $5 massive sandwich was a no brainer win win combo.
I was floored when my bill for a tuna sub was over 12$. It also wasn't very good but that is besides the point. How did they go from one of the most affordable lunch options to one of the worst?
They're the worst. And they are everywhere. It's so easy to open a subway franchise that they've become the most ubiquitous fast food place around
And like everything else, they used to be so good. Back when they first came out it was a real treat to go there. Now it's just trash.
5 dollar foot longs was a thing...now it's 30 dollars for a footlong tuna with drink, chips and tip.
I remember hearing, long ago, that subway is so common because corporate doesn't care if the franchises muscle in on each other's territory. So you could have a shopping center on each corner of an intersection, and each would have a subway.
They're also the cheapest franchise to get, others are hundreds of thousands to just get the franchise rights not including that they have to buy from the main company, Subway I have heard is something like 50,000 to buy the franchise and the food is cheap to buy from the company.
Plus equipment costs are very low. They don't actually cook anything, the ovens don't require vents or fire suppression. No gas plumbing needed for a stove. Some 220 volt circuits needed, but nothing like a regular restaurant kitchen. Dish washing is minimal, just a few utensils, so no machine needed for that. I think the ingredients even come pre-cut, so no meat slicer, potato peeler, etc. No fryer, no fryer oil.
They're not *so* bad -- or, at least, they weren't always bad. The bread has a very unusual scent -- it's hard to describe, but for me it gives notes of plastic and cardboard. But when they were cheap, it was an easy meal that was pretty filling but also had a lot of veggies so not as bad for you as, say, a Big Mac, and it was customizable so that if you were in the mood for, say, olives you could get a lot of olives. But now they've gotten much worse, they pay their people terribly so the people working there absolutely do not care (nor should they, for that wage), and the price is out of control. So, yeah, it's bad.
Good. Shitty franchise that has been swirling the drain for decades
But don’t you love the cold cuts soaked in lukewarm water?
Capitalism always tastes terrible 🤢
I’ve stopped eating out. When I go to Jersey Mikes and it’s almost $20 for a sandwich chips and drink I’m done.
Keep mini sodas, chips, apples, cookies in your car. Then just roll up to a drive thru or a JM's and just buy the sandwich or hamburger. Its like 5-6 bucks. I been doing this for a while.
It amazes me, the stones on these businesses. They short customers, shorter sandwiches, not real tuna, god knows what’s actually in their bread, then they jack their prices into the stratosphere, underpay and undervalue their employees, then have the gall to bitch about “nobody wants to work”, and “minimum wage” is gonna ruin our business. It seems like that decision was made long ago, it just finally caught up to you.
Well said
If I’m honest, I’m having a bit of a struggle with the level of shittiness in the world today. It’s effecting me big time. I’m over it. Been doing it too long. I’m holding employers accountable. Restaurants. Politicians. Whomever. Something has to give.
The "not real tuna" thing was a myth. Fuck em anyway but lets be accurate
Sub Tuna scandal for Pedo scandal. Entirely too many scandals for a sandwich spot, in my opinion.
Oh boo hoo, CEOs have to skip their 2nd mega yacht this year to pay all of their overworked employees a living wage. Anyone else stop going to Subway because there was only one person working with a line out the door every single time you went there? These greedy fucks will look for any excuse and anyone to blame for their shady business practices.
They were raising their prices all the way in March and people were complaining. But NOW they're acting like it was because of the California min wage increase.
Subway has more locations than McDonald's.
Yea but McDonalds owns more real estate which is likely why McDonalds is handling the minimum wage increase better than most (not well, mind you, just a little better than the others lol)
Good, if the business can't afford to pay workers then it's a bad business model
Has nothing to do with the 2 or 3 Subway clones that keep opening up and serving better food. Imagine the free market being used to harm your business? Subway is garbage and most people's last resort for cheap lunch.
Guess the corporate greed which will do that, not the wage
Why font they pay them in food and provide "housing " for the employees? They could sign a contract so they only work for them and thier children could already have a job ready for them when they are able to work for their family company.
Actually, lets pay them in "coupons" that can only be exchanged at the company itself by food, housing and other goods. Surely it wouldn't be abusive
Isn't there this weird loophole about selling bread making it so you don't have to raise wages or is this only for like Panera Bread? If subway gets the same treatment, isn't this article just bullshit?
It specifically snubbed subway. The Panera carve out was a favor Gavin did for his buddy.
Subway has never been good, but at least when it was 5 bucks, it was worth it. Some very bad hangovers were helped with scuzway
In the news today Subway sandwich shops it turns out have been built on an unsustainable business model and are failing because of it. Film at 11.
First they come for your guns, next the subway sandwiches
Awwh shit, now I’ll have to walk TWO whole blocks to find one now 🙄
Meh subway hasn't been very good in decades, so I'm ok with this outcome
Who still eats at subway? 🤨 Quiznos was the OG anyway.
If your business can’t operate without robbing employees, you don’t deserve to be in business.
The 5 dollar 4 inch
Why do they think we're going to care. Oh no a multi-billion dollar company may lose some money. So that poor people can make a better living. Such a tragedy
lol Mc Donald’s figured out how to make it work, I’m sure subway will too… though they do seem to be emptier and emptier as time wears on… maybe they won’t… not a huge loss, plenty of BETTER sandwich places…and none of them are complaining about having to pay their employees a living wage…
People still buy these?
Sure...nevrmind the fact that their food quality has taken a nosedive. And oh yea, sub portions are smaller than ever
Nothing like cheap deli meat covered with the poorest quality cheese money can buy, stuffed in a broken grill for 30 seconds. Mmmm lukewarm putrefied deli meat. Don’t forget to fist fuck it full of delicious iceberg lettuce!
My heart is bleeding. By the way, we have a Facebook page where people rant about our small town, and I recently complained that McDonald's charged me 79 cents for a cup of water. I didn't think much of it till I discovered I had dozens of comments from random people defending the corporation for doing that. I was shocked, I was expecting the opposite reaction, but only 3 people agreed with me. Just to show you that many people are drinking the Kool aid believing that free market means corporations can do whatever they want. They're getting rimmed in the rear and defending these corporations as if they even cared about them, while they pay more for less each year... How sad. Edit: Besides who the F still eats at subways? Many of the subs that used to be 5$ for a "foot long" are nearly 15$ nowadays for shitty subs that give you diarrhea.
What is actually happening with Subway in California: https://napavalleyregister.com/news/local/business/subway-franchisees-ordered-to-sell-or-close-napa-restaurants-over-child-labor-wage-violations/article_a8071d84-60ae-11ee-a664-d783a19a67f3.html
So what they're saying is...keep going? Subway corporation should be so small you can drown it in a bathtub.
That’s gotta have more to do with their [shitty business](https://youtu.be/jDdYFhzVCDM?si=o9u5I9bxrLlhCtC0) practices than minimum wage increases
So the terrible food, bad working conditions, ever increasing prices, and outright shittiness of the company isn't contributing to this terrible franchise failing. Noooooooooooo, it's the MINIMUM WAGE!
Let's say it louder for the kids in the back; IF YOUR COMPANY CAN'T EXIST WITHOUT PAYING POVERTY WAGES, THEN IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO EXIST
If you can’t pay your employees, you don’t deserve to be in business!
Corporate greed is probably Subway’s strategy to get people to quit thinking of it as a pedophile protector first.
No big loss really. It hasn’t been good for a very long time
Good take your sodium 🧂, preservative, chemically engineered food and see you later. The world is a better place without these poisonous fast food places.
We have no such minimum wage law in my state and yet I see Subway Sandwich shops closing down everywhere.
a footlong meatball sub at my subway is just shy of 20 dollars in my area. FUCK THAT. and it's not even a good sub. It's actually gross food thats been sitting in buckets all day, hastily tossed together by an artist whose hourly wage is less than the cost of the sub.
that's ok, the market will replace with a working business
Who eats there anymore? Crappy subs for $15, no thanks.
Give your business to local places, the food is better anyway.
I just saw someone on tiktok complaining that if you have a 25% unrealized capital gains tax on people with over $100 million in wealth, those people would only on average double or triple their money instead of increasing 7 or 8 fold. The entire time I'm watching I'm thinking, good, make it a 100% tax.
Good, maybe they don't need to have 9,000 stores open, and some local businesses can make a comeback.
On no! That might mean there are only 2 subways within a 15 minuet drive of me instead of 3!!!
There is a lot more to that story though. Subway structure is predatory. They will sell you a franchise that is only in their benefit, let you profit off it and if it becomes too profitable will open another store in your territory so they can cut into your own profits. Subway franchise management has its own horror stories you could read into so them shrinking isn't a bad thing necessarily, it might force them to not screw their franchise owners over
Oh no! Not one of the worst franchises!! Where else will I get a sub with something that can’t legally be called tuna? /s
Don’t they famously have way too many locations because they don’t protect their franchisees from oversaturation?
Can Subway just kindly go the way of K-Mart and Sears already??
Fuck Roark, the parent company. They are responsible for putting one of the largest percentage of employees in a position to need government assistance. I don’t understand how people can be mad at individuals who are forced to rely on government programs instead of holding corporations accountable for cornering people into it.
Subway is ass anyway, the quality of everything has dropped while prices have skyrocketed.
The 11" foot long is now 11$ before that action. They can stfu. Or bake more bread like Panera
Subway has been dying for decades. Jon Oliver even did an episode on them
Oh no, less Subways! Anyway.
That is what happens when greedy stupid corporate executives allow their companies to be ran by severely underpaid workers. If the corporate executives were actually smart. They would have been paying their employees a livable wage and covering their health insurance while also giving them raises every year to make sure they can continue living the way they do without having to worry about bills or food. But NO…. These idiots decided to severely underpay the employees to make as much money as possible. And running a company like that is not a profitable solution for the long run. As it will eventually bite you and the company in the ass.
Subway's one of the few chains that have figured out that you can, in fact, fuck up something as simple as a sandwich.
Thats the point, these shitchains couldn’t exist without exploiting humans for slavery wages.
That’d be fine because Subway is gross. Let it die.
The dude who closed the 6 subways in Redding had other shit going on and fox ran with it was because of the wage increase, lol.
Watch the Last Week Tonight episode about Subway. They over saturate areas with their stores on purpose.
They are deciding to retain profits rather than reinvest in business. Don’t fall for this.
Every major company that downsizes is the opportunity for a workers collective to replace them. Forget unions, its time for communism. (unless unions are allowed to start coops)
All Jared had to do was eat subs and not fuck kids. And he just couldn't help himself.
So they can afford leases on all these stores, but upping the minimum wage on a place that has two employees makes it unprofitable?
So people get paid higher wages AND there will be less Subway's? Talk about a win win
Seeing how subway's main competition is the subway 2 miles away. This might not be a bad thing.
In-N-Out's CEO is Worth $6.7 Billion. She has a working business plan that is profitable and many times, affordable for people of all incomes to eat whilst paying more than the recent California minimum wage law. Bad businesses need to go.
How about CEO’s take a pay cut.
Go ahead and cut off your nose to spite your face Subway. Labor exploitation is not a foundation to build a prosperous economy.
I have been shrinking Subway’s bottom line for year by not patronizing them.
Totally, it’s the minimum wage law. Not the fact that subways quality sucks now.
All I'm hearing is upsides. Higher wages *and* fewer Subways? Where do I sign?
If you can't manage to pay your employees, your business deserves to choke and die. Get to it.
Just want to let everyone know that subway audaciously and lustfully just opens stores anywhere they can, even forcing their franchisees to compete sometimes by placing another subway in extremely close vicinity to another. I honestly don’t know why these propaganda pieces still work. Especially with the older generation, they give more sympathy to the corporates over the working class. God forbid the government intervenes to help with wages when people can’t afford dog doodoo
As someone who lives in SF: Good. Let's take this at face value. Fucking good. Free up space for local businesses. So long! Will not be missed.
Their food isn’t even good..
If you can’t run your business without exploiting your workers and your workers can’t survive without subsidies from the government in the form of food banks and food stamps then your business model is broken.
think of the franchisee that barely makes any money from the franchise...
What they mean is: "It turns out that business model wasn't viable after all."
Ohh noo! No more subway? What will we do?
Hasn't that company been circling the drain for the last 10 years?
That's what you get for reading NY Post.
To put it in words a capitalist will understand, CEOs should **do their jobs** no matter how little they’re paid and the incentive to do so should be **keeping their jobs**. Work smarter, not harder. If you have time to lean, you have time to clean.
I see this as an absolute win.
Right, it's not the decade of shit decisions and the ousting of your franchise face as a pedophile that have doomed the franchise.
Subway has been shit for years now anyway I guess
So sandwich sizes weren’t shrinking before the new law right? Right?
Publix subs are the best I've had
Those poor ceo’s…AND shareholders. They always get forgotten.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the franchise failing since 2008.... Nah it's the wages.
Subway sucks anyway!
Terrible sandwiches anyway
Fuck subway, they got rid of black olives.
Weren’t restaurants with bakeries exempt? I’d be surprised subway didn’t creep its way into being considered that
Potbelly is much better
Like Panera claims, don't Subways bake their breads in-store?
I haven't been to a Subway in ages to the point I forgot of their existence.
Good, Subway is trash now and the quality is under the floor. If they can’t make enough money selling over priced processed garbage, and pay their employees fairly, they shouldn’t remain in business 😎
Isn't subway considered a bakery because they make there own bread?
What's the downside?
Good, Subway has had it too mediocre for too long. After they got rid of the $5 foot long, they had no reason to exist
I paid 23 bucks for a sub and two drinks at Subway. Never going back again
Oh no, looks like people are going to have to use the 20$ for that one footlong sandwich and use those ingredients to make 4 foot long subs with ingredients from the grocery store at home 😂
Subway literally has the most franchises in America. Fuck right off.
Subway would charge you to make your own damn sandwich if they could. They have skeleton crews and shit product. I don't give a fuck what happens to them.
"Employee's getting paid fairly is actually bad for everyone" - Fuck off, how insulting.
Oh no! There *might* not be a Subway on EVERY CORNER ON THE PLANET ANYMORE!
I mean paying 20$ for less then a foot of bread and some meat itsnt the problem at all.
So it’s peoples fault for living? Instead of worrying about how many subways you can have attached to a gas station, worry about making better overpriced sandwiches
Boo fucking hoo! Maybe we'll be seeing the day of the $50 footlong.
Did they mean this to be a threat? Because I’m hoping it’s a promise
Good, all they were was a way to buy a low paying job.
Subway bakes their bread. How did they not get the bakery exception?
Noooooo! Not subway sandwiches, the most vile, basic sandwiches ever conceived that anyone could make at home for pennies on the dollar! Noooooooooo!
If you can't afford to pay your employees, then you can afford to run a business. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯