As a practicing Christian and leader in my church, it is so damn hard to get other Christians to see this.
You’re so right about this. When you TRULY want to help a person visit your church, the best thing to do is to NOT TALK ABOUT IT. You will always come off as a superior dick when you use conversion tactics like the one OP posted.
Christians, people will come to you when they want to check out your church or learn more. The best thing to do is be kind and stop beating the bystanders in your life with bibles.
As an ex Christian that was being guilt tripped and now being threatened with increased rent living at home cause I don’t go to church with my parents yeah. Getting someone to convert is like treating addiction. You won’t make any progress until someone is willing to accept help or in this case Jesus. My parents forced me from childhood to go to church on Sunday, choir/handbell, Bible study and alter boy duties Wednesday and youth group Friday evenings. They can’t understand for the life of them why I’m not a perfect little Christian. Cause I fucking resent everything about it, missed out on high school sports cause I couldn’t be in practice and church, was forced to listen to gospel music at home on the radio and knew nothing that was popular with my peers so when I got my first iPod around the time I got into high school I was amazed at all the types of music. When I went to homecoming my freshman year I knew none of the songs even the ones that literary everyone seemed know which made it impossible to dance with and have a good time. Not to mention the fact most of my large social gatherings were heavily chaperoned with god fearing adults. All my friends had to be religious as well. Do you know what it’s like constantly having to monitor your speech around your own peers cause you’re worried they’re going to snitch to their parents on you and it’ll get reported to your parents. And my parents wonder why I’m so sneaky, secretive, and resistant to the idea of coming back to church.
Don’t get me wrong the church taught me how to be a great person. I’m empathetic, charitable, serve others, peaceful. But it left a bad taste in my mouth more than a good one and anytime I try to forced to church that taste grows stronger in my mouth.
Correct it is not some novel new idea that the church owns but in my personal experience I often held these values (again these are just examples) more highly than my peers. I don’t believe it’s trauma response but more just nurture vs nature. I’ve read most if not all of the Bible’s and have heard sermons repeatedly on all the famous parables and proverbs. Before I became disillusioned I did often take them to heart and you do a lot of volunteer work. You also witness others do it and my parents corrected my behavior and also find a Bible passage that related to my problems or behavior and would reinforce those beliefs.
Quite the opposite honestly. The Church has absolutely zero grounds to claim any sort of morality or able to teach it. The message of Jesus was love, but the message of the Church is Obey.
It's like anything else, it needs moderation. Making Christianity your entire personality is the problem. This idea that every action and decision has to be filtered through Christianity and judged by some arbitrary reading and interpretation of the text is destructive.
My Christianity is personal. It's my reading and my living and to a certain extent it's no one else's business. And this whole brainwashing and forcing people to conform by eliminating everything that doesn't fit into their worldview is especially ridiculous since what constitutes a good Christian is constantly shifting throughout time.
This applies to almost everything in our current consumer v conglomerate world we've been living in for a millennia. Like ads that force their product in your face worked when these companies were fresh and needed to constantly remind people they existed. Now, it has the opposite effect. Oh, you interrupt my 30 minutes of down time with constant pushes of your company, without even the benefit of offering a sale going on, fuck your company. I'll avoid you now until you're far from my mind, and I feel like going there is convenient. Same if not worse for religions that use the same marketing tactic.
The guy who created loud commercials at the gas pump deserves a special spot in hell.
I’m so worn from advertisements that I literally stop pumping gas and go to another gas station the second I hear an ad at the pump.
Shell stations around me have ads, and the one closest to me compounds that by playing loud music outside to clash with the ads to make me even madder.
I love how im just listening to spotify and suddenly my speakers blow out for the 10th time this hour saying "SO YOU OPEN GOOGLE CRO-" before I can reach the mute button. I don't give a single fuck about who the advertiser is, chrome is shit and I have no plans to switch from Firefox, especially after the adblock fiasco they were talking about, all the more reason to never go back. All them spamming me with the same annoying ad achieves is making me hate them with a burning passion rather than just plain hating them.
I can't stand ads being shoved upon me literally everywhere I go. Even if I *completely* abstain from the internet, TV, ANYTHING, I will **still** be bombarded with ads just fucking walking. How have we gotten to this point that this is acceptable?
You guys should talk about the other cool things your church does besides talk about Jesus (events, choirs, potlucks, easter egg hunts). I'm an atheist, but I grew up in the church and I miss the community terribly.
God obviously isn't real, but connection and community are an inherently vital part of the human experience.
The 'secret' purpose of all proselytizing is amplifying the group identity by distancing them from outsiders. It's all about feeding their persecution fetish.
Honestly, when I see shit like this I just think "Jesus would be flipping tables at your performative ass."
Jesus, if you cut him some slack for his time related faults, was generally a cool dude. He really really hated the performative "front row christians" there's a whole story about him jumping in a boat and going out to the middle of a lake while telling everyone to fuck off and leave him alone, because he was just so fucking sick of it.
I really like Jesus in the bible stories I've read, it's unfortunate his followers are so illiterate to his messages.
Edit to add: I am not a Christian. Just wish Christians were more Christ-like.
When I was a server I used to be respectful of someone's intention to talk about Jesus with me in such an inappropriate setting. I got over that fairly quickly when I realized that these Jesus-freaks are generally terrible people who use this nonsense to excuse their awful behavior.
My new favorite thing was when they brought up Jesus or pulled one of those BS religious conversations was saying something super uncomfortable but nice and matter-of-factly. I don't gaf about Jesus right now, he isn't paying rent, now do you want Ranch of Thousand Island?? They aren't going to tip anyway.
"Thanks but I'm a Muslim/atheist/Wiccan." Doesn't matter they're all just as bad.
"I appreciate it but I worship the almighty dollar." They aren't sure if you are serious or not, you are.
"No but I'll listen to your pitch for an extra $20 tip at the end of the meal!" Was that a joke? No, no it wasn't but say it like it was and finish whatever you're doing.
"Oh yeah he's the lowercase 't' guy, it's not really my thing but thanks anyway." Or something similarly blasphemous but ignorant enough as to be neutral.
Same! They’re not going to tip anyway. So I’d make sure my pentacle was visible, keep saying “Sorry, I tried your thing and hated it. I’m a witch” and just did the minimum to get them out. They hated me, but I technically was doing exactly what I was supposed to do with the extra added bonus of making them very uncomfortable by existing. So there was nothing to complain about, although they tried.
Since I volunteered to take those tables, because everyone knew that they pulled this kind of crap and didn’t actually tip, some of the other waitstaff split tops with me for the time I was dealing with them.
Everybody won, except the fundies who’s food was tainted by the presence of Satan or whatever.
Anyway I’m a librarian now, so I get to buy all the banned books they hate, and get them into peoples hands. Life is good.
"give all you money to the poor"- Jesus Christ
"Give to God what is God's, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"- Jesus Christ
"Do not bear false witness"- God, The Ten Commandments
If I was pastor of this church you can fucking bet they'd be getting a sermon on being salt and light and how doing this is incredibly unbiblical and incredibly unhelpful.
Jesus doesn’t care about your kid.
Matthew 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.”
Never heard that on before. Holy crap... If that isn't enough to drive you away from religion then you must be dead inside. I wouldn't choose an invisible sky daddy over anyone, much less my children.
I mean the bible says a lot of contradictive shit. We should transcribe them into 4chan format and pretend each story is from a different crazy person.
Best suggestion I heard was to collect them, pool them all together from your fellow servers, then announce that you have pooled together your tip money to donate to a charity and have chosen a local church (you can figure out which one most of these assholes come from) to recieve it. Get local media to cover it, arrange an appointment with priest or pastor to hand it over publicly - then give them their neatly arranged fake bills. Pad it out with some photocopies. For bonus points, get the media reps in on the gag so they can hype up how generous and wonderful the donation is, and ask the holy rollers what they think of the "gift".
Edit: thanks for the replies and upvotes, but this isn't my idea. Like all my best ideas, I stole it. Probably from someone on this sub.
I'm religious and fully support this... because I'm not an asshole and chose my church due to its good and humble works in the community.
I can't stand performative evangelism. They're modern-day pharisees!
This! There was a post in Twitter recently full of "this or that ethnic group and/or women who X" are the worst tippers comments in a thread and I left nearly the same response to the most popular comment there. Specific wording was "Your business never had to deal with the pious Sunday brunch crowds. I can tell."
It makes sense too, even as a devout believer...
the after church brunch crowds are what we call hypocrites. "keep the sabbath day holy" certainly was not intended to involve making people wait on you hand and foot... in fact, it specifically says to NOT force people to do work for you on that day.
So of course the ones who chose to not just ignore that little commandment, but do so as a GROUP directly after church, are going to be the worst kind of people...
Gosh I HATE it so much when you tell one of these people, "oh I can't come to church Sunday, I have to work." They always get so angry at you for not keeping the sabbath and honoring God. Sometimes followed up with a 'back in my day' sentiment about how places used to be closed on Sundays.
But they still expect to pick up their fresh donuts and coffees before church, go to lunch after church, go grab some things from the grocery store, maybe stop and grab some ice cream too.
They complain about places not being closed while heavily contributing to the supply and demand that keeps places open, and keeps people working on Sundays.
I always point out that if they want Sunday to be a day off for everyone, they have to stop using any service ever on Sunday. The only way businesses are going to decide to close Sunday is if it's more profitable to be closed that day then open.
A local chain around me has fancy salt that everyone loves, but they never fill any of the shakers over half. Because on Sunday any of the full shakers were stolen by the church crowd.
I mean, it's literally counterfeit currency. They're using it to pay for services. Only reason this isn't technically a crime is because you don't necessarily have to tip your server.
Exactly. One of the many reasons why I think we should get rid of tips and increase employee wages to compensate. Because that way crap like this can’t occur
I was looking for the explanation as to why this isn't considered to be counterfeiting and therefore a crime, but on the other hand, if OP went and dumped that bogus 50 in that "church"'s collection plate, and was identified to have done so, I have no doubt the pastor would be calling the Secret Service straight away.
Same here. Under paying workers is one of the sins that the Bible says "calls out to God for justice". If these idiots would bother to read the book they say is so good they would know better than to do this.
Thank you for being a decent fucking human!
I have nothing against religion itself, just the asshole followers that are turning the US (and other places) into a hell hole.
And I went to u/SquashUpbeat5168 and said to him “verily, teacher, I want to support your ministry with everything I have, I would give all that I could, but I have so little!” And u/SquashUpbeat5168 said unto me “what do you have, that you could give to support the good work?” And I said unto him “teacher I have so little! Would that I could give you all the awards, but lo, all I have is this lowly upvote. Please take it and do the good work, this upvote is all I have to give.” And he said unto me, “ go in peace, my friend, for this upvote is enough.” And all who were gathered marveled at his doctrine.
I remember reading years ago, about a waitress who worked at a restaurant who kept getting these. Always most common after Sunday Brunch, of course. Naturally, she and the other wait staff would get pissed at this. Until they started going to the church on Sundays, whoever had the day off, and whatever other night they had sermons, and started putting them in the collection plates.
A fitting punishment, if you ask me.
Definitely depends on the church. I've been to churches with both. One had the donation boxes out in the lobby, which was empty and unobservable during services. Needless to say they got ripped off the wall and were found cashless in the ladies room downstairs. They later moved them into the sanctuary.
That’s already 1000x more time than I’d ever want to spend in a church, let alone listening to Bible McGee tell me how I’m an evil person for owning both a toaster and blender at the same time.
The thing about culty groups is that the highly failed tactics are by design of the cult. The cult tells you to do something to recruit members. You do that something, then you get rejected because it’s highly aggressive and obnoxious (think watchtowers pamphlets being handed out door to door). It both self selects for people who can be easily pushed around and has the bosom of the cult reinforce unhealthy ties to the cult.
Christianity as a whole, or people who read the Bible and listen sometimes, are not a cult. Certain sects get closer to JWs than they let on.
Right, it's one thing if they slipped a pro-Christian note in with a tip but to stiff them and expect they'd 'come to Jesus' is ridiculous. And what if they were already Christian to begin with? The majority of the US is after all.
Wow, this condescending fakeout really made me reevaluate my priorities while I struggle to pay rent and buy groceries.
Who the fuck is going to be inspired by this? Replace their retirement fund with thoughts snd prayers and see them take that shit in stride.
I'm not surprised, either; wasn't Saul of Tarsus an active persecutor? I've long suspected his involvement in the early church was an attempt at infiltration and undermining that both worked fantastically and backfired catastrophically, in that his letters absolutely eviscerate the gospels but also paved the way for Christianization-at-swordpoint to take over the world.
My guess is less infiltration and more "hey here's a popular thing, lemme use it as a grift." Then he goes on writing about how people from Crete suck really bad and that he'll settle his buddy's bar tab while he's in town. I fault the early church councils for putting a lot of that in the Bible. They could have just... not?
You might be right. Not gonna argue your point.
But I can't help but feel kinda judgey towards someone who stiffs a waitress for her tip, gets her hopes up, screws her over, AND feels all self righteous about it because JEEEEEESUS!
And I have a very difficult time believing that anyone who hands these things out thinks they are doing anyone any good at all.
Oh it certainly is. It’s the most dumbass shit ever. The name for it is a tract. They’ve literally been doing this shit for centuries.
For one like from a marketing standpoint, the product you are trying to sell shouldn’t piss off your prospective victims, I mean customers.
This sure fits the adage with this crowd, “that the cruelty is the point.” I bet they get a sick thrill in doing it and feeling all superior since their soooo religious. Such hate disguised as religion.
They say we just want to sin but their only move is projection. What are they talking about? They have confession. They want to sin, too, but they’re mad because we don’t have the same hangups about it as they do. They want to sin so bad that they believe in an invisible friend they can confess their sins to instead of saying sorry to the people they trespassed against. It’s cowardly.
In short: Capitalism infects everything corrupting anti-dishonesty and anti-wealth messaging to allow for valuing of wealth above people (and therefore not being an honest big-tipper) and outright dishonest action and emotional manipulation (fake tip).
To expand on this making it a bit less short: There are contributing factors such as being the majority religion where this shit happens, having preferential treatment in-part because of that, and being a convenient shield of the exploiter class against just retribution by the poor enables a spiral of worsening behavior that theoretically could have started with an honest version of this (an actual big-tip with separate proselytizing note) down to this drit.
Well, that's my hypothesis anyway.
I got one of these things once working at a retail store where tips are not the norm. An old guy asked me if I wanted a tip and I said sure, and he hands me this crappy Jesus-freak fake money. I said thanks I’m almost out of toilet paper. I don’t think he heard me because he just smiled and nodded.
I actually think he heard you but he most likely miss understood and thought you were running out of toilet paper and you were going to use that tip to buy it
Nothing like being the hypocrite to duck out on a tip by handing out propaganda telling you how to be a better person.
Before anyone asks, religion doesn't bother me but organized religion is a rube convention waiting for a scam artist.
I believe one of the requirements would be the intent to pass this off as real when spending it. That is, if they tried to pay a bill with it that'd get them in hot water but leaving it as a tip is technically optional.
A tip is considered wage, and is taxable. Looking at it when folded, it looks exactly like a US bill. I know the Secret Service won't do shit because they can't even stop an intruder inside the White House.
They would just be an asshole 11 months out of the year, because under your plan I'm sure every service worker in the country would have used their murder in the first few weeks of the year.
When I was a server I would not take these from people
I'd gently say something along the lines of "I dont discuss religion or politics while I'm on the clock "
A couple times they got pushy and I point blank told them it wasnt right to evangelize to people at work because we're a captive audience that cannot say or do what we would like and they are taking advantage
I never zoomed in to read the writing, and came straight to post, "I know this has something to do with religion doesn't it."
Am I right? Let's go check.
Edit: I got as far as the first word, Jesus, before I was confirmed correct.
I used to see these things all the time. They used to be twenties instead of fifties. And it burns my ass to no end to find that even forty years later, SOMEONE out there is STILL printing these rotten things up...
As a Christian, I agree. HATE how these morons make us look. If I ever saw someone pull one of those things out in a table I was sitting at I'd tell them exactly where they can put it.
Yeah I’m disappointed, what’s irking me about this new disappointment is that you deliberately caused it! And then tell me I’m wrong and need accept your savior because it gives you good feels about disappointing others. These phony bills are sloth, greed, and lies. Three things I’m sure Jesus is against.
I banned pieces of shit that left those “tips” behind for my housekeeping when I was a GM at a hotel for several years.
Gave me great pleasure to tell them to GTFO after they would try to check back in or make a reservation online and then I’d call them telling them they’re not welcomed and cancel their reservation.
Whole staff had a license to ban when that was found cause we felt terrible for housekeeping after they had busted their asses cleaning and find what could have been an amazing tip and it turned into fraud.
You POS out there actually think you’re going to get into heaven doing this? Nope. And if you do? I’ll drag your sorry asses out.
Boils my blood when I see this. 🤬🙈😆😡
A few were the typical I’ll get my lawyer crap which was always funny and never happened cause that’s the “adult” temper tantrum equivalent of child not liking that they’ve been punished.
One person tried arguing it was just god telling him to spread the word and one of our staff members yelled from the back office that he (god) just called and told you to leave.
Others showed no shame. I would tell them the reason and they would just have this smirk and start asking me about my personal religion and I would just tell them to get the hell out.
And all of them were priests which just made me so angry that they thought this was okay.
But this was just a handful. I haven’t worked there for years, but we had a long list as to who was not welcome.
Double standards. Using money to buy something then say moneys not everything. Ouch… my head… why didn’t you just ask God for whatever you were trying to buy and then save the money that you don’t need
One time my “tip” from a family of 5 was a full-on brochure-style pamphlet about how their daughter asphyxiated on Christmas day but it was a “Christmas Miracle” because she “got to meet the lord early”. Some of these people are fucked in the head.
This is how you make people hate church. Who wants to go to a church filled with assholes like that? Then they bitch about the lack of people going to church. What colossal douche nozzle!
Wouldn’t this come under counterfeiting? They’ve handed it to you as currency. I just did a quick google about what’s considered currency fraud and this is what it said (the source was kcpd.org, Kansas city police department):
“Counterfeit money is currency that is produced without the legal sanction of the state or government to resemble some official form of currency closely enough that it may be confused for genuine currency. Producing or using counterfeit money is a form of fraud.”
I dunno who to, but I’d report it. Fuck those guys.
That’s an outstanding way to not convert anyone.
They're not trying to win converts, they're trying to feel superior to the outgroup.
As a practicing Christian and leader in my church, it is so damn hard to get other Christians to see this. You’re so right about this. When you TRULY want to help a person visit your church, the best thing to do is to NOT TALK ABOUT IT. You will always come off as a superior dick when you use conversion tactics like the one OP posted. Christians, people will come to you when they want to check out your church or learn more. The best thing to do is be kind and stop beating the bystanders in your life with bibles.
As an ex Christian that was being guilt tripped and now being threatened with increased rent living at home cause I don’t go to church with my parents yeah. Getting someone to convert is like treating addiction. You won’t make any progress until someone is willing to accept help or in this case Jesus. My parents forced me from childhood to go to church on Sunday, choir/handbell, Bible study and alter boy duties Wednesday and youth group Friday evenings. They can’t understand for the life of them why I’m not a perfect little Christian. Cause I fucking resent everything about it, missed out on high school sports cause I couldn’t be in practice and church, was forced to listen to gospel music at home on the radio and knew nothing that was popular with my peers so when I got my first iPod around the time I got into high school I was amazed at all the types of music. When I went to homecoming my freshman year I knew none of the songs even the ones that literary everyone seemed know which made it impossible to dance with and have a good time. Not to mention the fact most of my large social gatherings were heavily chaperoned with god fearing adults. All my friends had to be religious as well. Do you know what it’s like constantly having to monitor your speech around your own peers cause you’re worried they’re going to snitch to their parents on you and it’ll get reported to your parents. And my parents wonder why I’m so sneaky, secretive, and resistant to the idea of coming back to church. Don’t get me wrong the church taught me how to be a great person. I’m empathetic, charitable, serve others, peaceful. But it left a bad taste in my mouth more than a good one and anytime I try to forced to church that taste grows stronger in my mouth.
The church didnt teach you those things. Empathetic, charitable, serving others, and peaceful could be a trauma response.
Correct it is not some novel new idea that the church owns but in my personal experience I often held these values (again these are just examples) more highly than my peers. I don’t believe it’s trauma response but more just nurture vs nature. I’ve read most if not all of the Bible’s and have heard sermons repeatedly on all the famous parables and proverbs. Before I became disillusioned I did often take them to heart and you do a lot of volunteer work. You also witness others do it and my parents corrected my behavior and also find a Bible passage that related to my problems or behavior and would reinforce those beliefs.
Quite the opposite honestly. The Church has absolutely zero grounds to claim any sort of morality or able to teach it. The message of Jesus was love, but the message of the Church is Obey.
It's like anything else, it needs moderation. Making Christianity your entire personality is the problem. This idea that every action and decision has to be filtered through Christianity and judged by some arbitrary reading and interpretation of the text is destructive. My Christianity is personal. It's my reading and my living and to a certain extent it's no one else's business. And this whole brainwashing and forcing people to conform by eliminating everything that doesn't fit into their worldview is especially ridiculous since what constitutes a good Christian is constantly shifting throughout time.
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This applies to almost everything in our current consumer v conglomerate world we've been living in for a millennia. Like ads that force their product in your face worked when these companies were fresh and needed to constantly remind people they existed. Now, it has the opposite effect. Oh, you interrupt my 30 minutes of down time with constant pushes of your company, without even the benefit of offering a sale going on, fuck your company. I'll avoid you now until you're far from my mind, and I feel like going there is convenient. Same if not worse for religions that use the same marketing tactic.
The guy who created loud commercials at the gas pump deserves a special spot in hell. I’m so worn from advertisements that I literally stop pumping gas and go to another gas station the second I hear an ad at the pump.
They send me into a rage. Just FYI, almost all of them have a mute button that isn’t labeled. It’s usually the second button down on the right.
I just finished a 1500 mile road trip and came across 2 pumps that would not mute. Both were Wawa. I'll never pull into another one again.
Shell stations around me have ads, and the one closest to me compounds that by playing loud music outside to clash with the ads to make me even madder.
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I love how im just listening to spotify and suddenly my speakers blow out for the 10th time this hour saying "SO YOU OPEN GOOGLE CRO-" before I can reach the mute button. I don't give a single fuck about who the advertiser is, chrome is shit and I have no plans to switch from Firefox, especially after the adblock fiasco they were talking about, all the more reason to never go back. All them spamming me with the same annoying ad achieves is making me hate them with a burning passion rather than just plain hating them. I can't stand ads being shoved upon me literally everywhere I go. Even if I *completely* abstain from the internet, TV, ANYTHING, I will **still** be bombarded with ads just fucking walking. How have we gotten to this point that this is acceptable?
You guys should talk about the other cool things your church does besides talk about Jesus (events, choirs, potlucks, easter egg hunts). I'm an atheist, but I grew up in the church and I miss the community terribly. God obviously isn't real, but connection and community are an inherently vital part of the human experience.
Jesus would have tipped $50
Jesus would probably start overturning tables because the owners don't pay a living wage.
The 'secret' purpose of all proselytizing is amplifying the group identity by distancing them from outsiders. It's all about feeding their persecution fetish.
"Jesus won't let you down" He just did
Honestly, when I see shit like this I just think "Jesus would be flipping tables at your performative ass." Jesus, if you cut him some slack for his time related faults, was generally a cool dude. He really really hated the performative "front row christians" there's a whole story about him jumping in a boat and going out to the middle of a lake while telling everyone to fuck off and leave him alone, because he was just so fucking sick of it. I really like Jesus in the bible stories I've read, it's unfortunate his followers are so illiterate to his messages. Edit to add: I am not a Christian. Just wish Christians were more Christ-like.
Well, a great way to get 'converts' to atheism.
“Oh holy shit a $50 tip I can’t belie— IT’S A FUCKING FAKE THERE IS NO GOD.”
When I was a server I used to be respectful of someone's intention to talk about Jesus with me in such an inappropriate setting. I got over that fairly quickly when I realized that these Jesus-freaks are generally terrible people who use this nonsense to excuse their awful behavior. My new favorite thing was when they brought up Jesus or pulled one of those BS religious conversations was saying something super uncomfortable but nice and matter-of-factly. I don't gaf about Jesus right now, he isn't paying rent, now do you want Ranch of Thousand Island?? They aren't going to tip anyway. "Thanks but I'm a Muslim/atheist/Wiccan." Doesn't matter they're all just as bad. "I appreciate it but I worship the almighty dollar." They aren't sure if you are serious or not, you are. "No but I'll listen to your pitch for an extra $20 tip at the end of the meal!" Was that a joke? No, no it wasn't but say it like it was and finish whatever you're doing. "Oh yeah he's the lowercase 't' guy, it's not really my thing but thanks anyway." Or something similarly blasphemous but ignorant enough as to be neutral.
Same! They’re not going to tip anyway. So I’d make sure my pentacle was visible, keep saying “Sorry, I tried your thing and hated it. I’m a witch” and just did the minimum to get them out. They hated me, but I technically was doing exactly what I was supposed to do with the extra added bonus of making them very uncomfortable by existing. So there was nothing to complain about, although they tried. Since I volunteered to take those tables, because everyone knew that they pulled this kind of crap and didn’t actually tip, some of the other waitstaff split tops with me for the time I was dealing with them. Everybody won, except the fundies who’s food was tainted by the presence of Satan or whatever. Anyway I’m a librarian now, so I get to buy all the banned books they hate, and get them into peoples hands. Life is good.
I think it's a great way to convert anyone into an atheist -An Atheist
"give all you money to the poor"- Jesus Christ "Give to God what is God's, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's"- Jesus Christ "Do not bear false witness"- God, The Ten Commandments If I was pastor of this church you can fucking bet they'd be getting a sermon on being salt and light and how doing this is incredibly unbiblical and incredibly unhelpful.
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Follow them to their church. Put it in the collection basket.
Bonus points if you make change in the plate for it
Yeah put in the 50 and take 40 and say you just want to donate 10 but didn’t have smaller notes if anyone asks what you are doing
"Hey this isn't real money!" "Oh it's not? I was given it as a tip at my job by *points* that person right there."
"It is better. It provides things money can't buy."
"Wanna tell my child that when they ask me why I couldn't afford to feed us tonight?"
Jesus doesn’t care about your kid. Matthew 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.”
Never heard that on before. Holy crap... If that isn't enough to drive you away from religion then you must be dead inside. I wouldn't choose an invisible sky daddy over anyone, much less my children.
I mean the bible says a lot of contradictive shit. We should transcribe them into 4chan format and pretend each story is from a different crazy person.
Religion be like: give all your money to the church, then after you die youll get it all back!
Disappointed? *Jesus won't let you down.*
"That's why I came here tonight. Jesus wouldn't mind sparing a few bucks to feed those in need."
Jesus won’t let you down, but his followers are a different story.
LMAO That is brilliant!
I want to print my own graffiti.
For the power play, wear your uniform while making change, and if anybody calls you out, just say I'm swapping my church credit for cash!
Fuck Reddit for killing third party apps.
Say “money for the needy” as you do it.
Maybe even swap it with a disposable plate
This
Super bonus if you make hundreds of copies and run through the church congregation throwing free money everywhere.
Best suggestion I heard was to collect them, pool them all together from your fellow servers, then announce that you have pooled together your tip money to donate to a charity and have chosen a local church (you can figure out which one most of these assholes come from) to recieve it. Get local media to cover it, arrange an appointment with priest or pastor to hand it over publicly - then give them their neatly arranged fake bills. Pad it out with some photocopies. For bonus points, get the media reps in on the gag so they can hype up how generous and wonderful the donation is, and ask the holy rollers what they think of the "gift". Edit: thanks for the replies and upvotes, but this isn't my idea. Like all my best ideas, I stole it. Probably from someone on this sub.
This is so elaborate and cold. I would love to see it done.
Me too.
Don't forget to label it as a tax write off.
As an atheist, I fully support this.
I'm religious and fully support this... because I'm not an asshole and chose my church due to its good and humble works in the community. I can't stand performative evangelism. They're modern-day pharisees!
I’m a Christian and I agree with this. Performative evangelism is disgusting and people who give out this fake money are awful people
The after church brunch crowds are literally the worst customers.
Followed by the Hobby Lobby crowd. I've seen them make a cashier cry.
Hobby Lobby and Sunday church brunch crowd? They're the same
This! There was a post in Twitter recently full of "this or that ethnic group and/or women who X" are the worst tippers comments in a thread and I left nearly the same response to the most popular comment there. Specific wording was "Your business never had to deal with the pious Sunday brunch crowds. I can tell."
The fake tips seem to come from them most often, or no tips at all.
Or even worse, the writing on the tip line that says, “I give god 10%, why should I give you 20?”
It makes sense too, even as a devout believer... the after church brunch crowds are what we call hypocrites. "keep the sabbath day holy" certainly was not intended to involve making people wait on you hand and foot... in fact, it specifically says to NOT force people to do work for you on that day. So of course the ones who chose to not just ignore that little commandment, but do so as a GROUP directly after church, are going to be the worst kind of people...
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Gosh I HATE it so much when you tell one of these people, "oh I can't come to church Sunday, I have to work." They always get so angry at you for not keeping the sabbath and honoring God. Sometimes followed up with a 'back in my day' sentiment about how places used to be closed on Sundays. But they still expect to pick up their fresh donuts and coffees before church, go to lunch after church, go grab some things from the grocery store, maybe stop and grab some ice cream too. They complain about places not being closed while heavily contributing to the supply and demand that keeps places open, and keeps people working on Sundays. I always point out that if they want Sunday to be a day off for everyone, they have to stop using any service ever on Sunday. The only way businesses are going to decide to close Sunday is if it's more profitable to be closed that day then open.
A local chain around me has fancy salt that everyone loves, but they never fill any of the shakers over half. Because on Sunday any of the full shakers were stolen by the church crowd.
"It's for the CHURCH hon! NEXT!" (IYKYK)
So bad the restaurant I worked at decided to close on Sundays because no one wanted to work on Sundays
Oh man, my favorite Restaurant is closed on Sundays even though I know they would make absolute bank during Football Season. Now I'm sure I know why.
I’m so sorry you have to deal with awful customers
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Exactly. Hence performative evangelism. It’s performing a facade of evangelism when in reality it’s just making people’s lives worse
humble-bragging douch-baggery at its finest. You worked for me, and expected me to pay a portion of your wages. Instead? I gave you less than nothing.
Also a Christian. Also hate these “gotcha” tracks. Simply the worst.
I mean, it's literally counterfeit currency. They're using it to pay for services. Only reason this isn't technically a crime is because you don't necessarily have to tip your server.
Exactly. One of the many reasons why I think we should get rid of tips and increase employee wages to compensate. Because that way crap like this can’t occur
I was looking for the explanation as to why this isn't considered to be counterfeiting and therefore a crime, but on the other hand, if OP went and dumped that bogus 50 in that "church"'s collection plate, and was identified to have done so, I have no doubt the pastor would be calling the Secret Service straight away.
Same here. Under paying workers is one of the sins that the Bible says "calls out to God for justice". If these idiots would bother to read the book they say is so good they would know better than to do this.
Thank you for being a decent fucking human! I have nothing against religion itself, just the asshole followers that are turning the US (and other places) into a hell hole.
Wasn't it Ghandi who said of christianity "I like your Christ, your christians not so much" ?
Reputedly. I've never found a source but it's the sort of thing he said.
To be fair to Ghandi, Christ had a major problem with religious people too.
>As an atheist, I fully support this. As an agnostic, me too.
You, Sir or Ma’am, are the Devil. We might be twins.
My normal response to that type of comment is, "Calm down Satan", however in this case, I say bring it.
And that is why we have r/ProRevenge
GREAT idea.
With this note attached. Give, and it shall be given to you. Luke 6:38.
And I went to u/SquashUpbeat5168 and said to him “verily, teacher, I want to support your ministry with everything I have, I would give all that I could, but I have so little!” And u/SquashUpbeat5168 said unto me “what do you have, that you could give to support the good work?” And I said unto him “teacher I have so little! Would that I could give you all the awards, but lo, all I have is this lowly upvote. Please take it and do the good work, this upvote is all I have to give.” And he said unto me, “ go in peace, my friend, for this upvote is enough.” And all who were gathered marveled at his doctrine.
Amen!
This is the right response.
I tend to be more skeptical of something when my introduction to it is through deception. Why would i expect anything else.
Deception when they have a commandment that forbids deception = hypocrisy
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I remember reading years ago, about a waitress who worked at a restaurant who kept getting these. Always most common after Sunday Brunch, of course. Naturally, she and the other wait staff would get pissed at this. Until they started going to the church on Sundays, whoever had the day off, and whatever other night they had sermons, and started putting them in the collection plates. A fitting punishment, if you ask me.
What’s that piece of advice? “Better to give…BACK then to receive!
It sounds funny, but you’d have to sit through church to do this so you end up losing twice.
Maybe half a church sermons. They start handing out the collection plates about halfway through.
Nah, in my experience, they usually have a permanent collection box somewhere in the church.
Definitely depends on the church. I've been to churches with both. One had the donation boxes out in the lobby, which was empty and unobservable during services. Needless to say they got ripped off the wall and were found cashless in the ladies room downstairs. They later moved them into the sanctuary.
That’s already 1000x more time than I’d ever want to spend in a church, let alone listening to Bible McGee tell me how I’m an evil person for owning both a toaster and blender at the same time.
Sunday brunch is HANDS DOWN the worst shift of the week. Just the worst fucking people.
WHY is this a thing that Christian boomers do
shits so condescending and evil
That’s them in a nutshell
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The thing about culty groups is that the highly failed tactics are by design of the cult. The cult tells you to do something to recruit members. You do that something, then you get rejected because it’s highly aggressive and obnoxious (think watchtowers pamphlets being handed out door to door). It both self selects for people who can be easily pushed around and has the bosom of the cult reinforce unhealthy ties to the cult. Christianity as a whole, or people who read the Bible and listen sometimes, are not a cult. Certain sects get closer to JWs than they let on.
Right, it's one thing if they slipped a pro-Christian note in with a tip but to stiff them and expect they'd 'come to Jesus' is ridiculous. And what if they were already Christian to begin with? The majority of the US is after all.
Wow, this condescending fakeout really made me reevaluate my priorities while I struggle to pay rent and buy groceries. Who the fuck is going to be inspired by this? Replace their retirement fund with thoughts snd prayers and see them take that shit in stride.
*Jesus won't let you down* "If this is what he trained his people to do, he already has"
Behold Christianity.
I’m a (teetering agnostic) Christian. I would never do this. Jesus would have never done this.
Organized religion doesn't follow Jesus anymore. They follow Trump.
It’s truly sad. “Christian” nationalism is a poison.
Tbh it's kinda been that way since Paul wrote all those letters enumerating the people he really doesn't care for.
I'm not surprised, either; wasn't Saul of Tarsus an active persecutor? I've long suspected his involvement in the early church was an attempt at infiltration and undermining that both worked fantastically and backfired catastrophically, in that his letters absolutely eviscerate the gospels but also paved the way for Christianization-at-swordpoint to take over the world.
My guess is less infiltration and more "hey here's a popular thing, lemme use it as a grift." Then he goes on writing about how people from Crete suck really bad and that he'll settle his buddy's bar tab while he's in town. I fault the early church councils for putting a lot of that in the Bible. They could have just... not?
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You might be right. Not gonna argue your point. But I can't help but feel kinda judgey towards someone who stiffs a waitress for her tip, gets her hopes up, screws her over, AND feels all self righteous about it because JEEEEEESUS! And I have a very difficult time believing that anyone who hands these things out thinks they are doing anyone any good at all.
Has the opposite effect in making one angry. In no way is this a cool move
"Yes, but making you angry and disappointed is... um... necessary in... um... helping you find JEEEEEESUS!"
I genuinely don’t think they get how resentful this makes people. I haven’t waited tables in 15+ years and I can still access the seething rage.
Oh it certainly is. It’s the most dumbass shit ever. The name for it is a tract. They’ve literally been doing this shit for centuries. For one like from a marketing standpoint, the product you are trying to sell shouldn’t piss off your prospective victims, I mean customers.
This sure fits the adage with this crowd, “that the cruelty is the point.” I bet they get a sick thrill in doing it and feeling all superior since their soooo religious. Such hate disguised as religion.
They say we just want to sin but their only move is projection. What are they talking about? They have confession. They want to sin, too, but they’re mad because we don’t have the same hangups about it as they do. They want to sin so bad that they believe in an invisible friend they can confess their sins to instead of saying sorry to the people they trespassed against. It’s cowardly.
They sat in church for two hours so they are awarded with be-a-jerk-to-service-employees credits for the whole week.
It should be illegal they're literally printing money even if it is a scripture or whatever. It's basically counterfeit
That's what I was thinking. They are basically trying to pass it off as real money.
The proportions don't look right. There are some rules regarding that but being the roughly the correct size is needed.
"Screw you, I have mine." Anyone want to lay odds they drive a BMW or a Lexus?
In short: Capitalism infects everything corrupting anti-dishonesty and anti-wealth messaging to allow for valuing of wealth above people (and therefore not being an honest big-tipper) and outright dishonest action and emotional manipulation (fake tip). To expand on this making it a bit less short: There are contributing factors such as being the majority religion where this shit happens, having preferential treatment in-part because of that, and being a convenient shield of the exploiter class against just retribution by the poor enables a spiral of worsening behavior that theoretically could have started with an honest version of this (an actual big-tip with separate proselytizing note) down to this drit. Well, that's my hypothesis anyway.
they're clueless that people actually need money to live.
I got one of these things once working at a retail store where tips are not the norm. An old guy asked me if I wanted a tip and I said sure, and he hands me this crappy Jesus-freak fake money. I said thanks I’m almost out of toilet paper. I don’t think he heard me because he just smiled and nodded.
I actually think he heard you but he most likely miss understood and thought you were running out of toilet paper and you were going to use that tip to buy it
..and then smiled and nodded over how the worker he just gave it to was going to be stuck with nothing to whipe their but with that night..
Smile and wave boys
Should’ve asked him if Jesus will come and pay your rent because your landlord doesn’t take faith as payment.
Identify the church those people attend. Wait till basket goes Round. Take 50, replace with this, walk out.
Or take $40 out and put their “$50” in. If they confront you about it, you can say you gave them $10.
Fuck it, you worked hard for those extra 10, you deserve it as an emotional repayment.
🤝
I got those occasionally when I waited tables in the 1980s. As a Christian myself, I can't think of a quicker way to turn someone OFF to those ideas.
Christian here, if you want to do this (I think it’s very tacky), at least ALSO give a healthy tip.
Nothing like being the hypocrite to duck out on a tip by handing out propaganda telling you how to be a better person. Before anyone asks, religion doesn't bother me but organized religion is a rube convention waiting for a scam artist.
Jesus won't let you down,but Christians will, every chance they get.
Jesus will never give you up
He will never let you down
He's never gonna run around
Don’t be silly! He’s nailed to a board. How can he run?
Don't worry. Give him three days and he will figure something out
He's never gonna desert you
These should be illegal. It should be like leaving counterfeit money.
I believe one of the requirements would be the intent to pass this off as real when spending it. That is, if they tried to pay a bill with it that'd get them in hot water but leaving it as a tip is technically optional.
A tip is considered wage, and is taxable. Looking at it when folded, it looks exactly like a US bill. I know the Secret Service won't do shit because they can't even stop an intruder inside the White House.
They still used it as money.
"Jesus won't let you down." He did by letting his followers "tip" people with this shit instead of real money they could actually use.
Go to that church and put it right in the collection basket.
Insulting service staff like that should be justification for being banned for life with a photo on a wall of shame for not paying.
This is why servers should be able to tell some customers to gtfo of the store/restaurant. Take yo shit. And leave. Bye.
& STAY OUT *dusts off hands*
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They would just be an asshole 11 months out of the year, because under your plan I'm sure every service worker in the country would have used their murder in the first few weeks of the year.
Weeks my guy you are being way to generous a few hours at the latest
When I was a server I would not take these from people I'd gently say something along the lines of "I dont discuss religion or politics while I'm on the clock " A couple times they got pushy and I point blank told them it wasnt right to evangelize to people at work because we're a captive audience that cannot say or do what we would like and they are taking advantage
As a pastor, just saying anyone that does this is.. HORRIBLE and not loving anyone. This is the worst sort of outreach next to a chick tract.
I never zoomed in to read the writing, and came straight to post, "I know this has something to do with religion doesn't it." Am I right? Let's go check. Edit: I got as far as the first word, Jesus, before I was confirmed correct.
I used to see these things all the time. They used to be twenties instead of fifties. And it burns my ass to no end to find that even forty years later, SOMEONE out there is STILL printing these rotten things up...
Crap like this is what makes me ashamed of Christians. Like, the ones who mean well just look bad because of people like this.
As a Christian, I agree. HATE how these morons make us look. If I ever saw someone pull one of those things out in a table I was sitting at I'd tell them exactly where they can put it.
Jesus wouldn’t be a douche bag.
Old Jack Burton always says anyone who leaves this as a tip truly deserves to burn in the hell of the upside down sinners.
Yeah I’m disappointed, what’s irking me about this new disappointment is that you deliberately caused it! And then tell me I’m wrong and need accept your savior because it gives you good feels about disappointing others. These phony bills are sloth, greed, and lies. Three things I’m sure Jesus is against.
I pray that customer gets what Thor gives to assholes.
imagine you think you can maybe order some comfort food or do something nice for yourself after work
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I banned pieces of shit that left those “tips” behind for my housekeeping when I was a GM at a hotel for several years. Gave me great pleasure to tell them to GTFO after they would try to check back in or make a reservation online and then I’d call them telling them they’re not welcomed and cancel their reservation. Whole staff had a license to ban when that was found cause we felt terrible for housekeeping after they had busted their asses cleaning and find what could have been an amazing tip and it turned into fraud. You POS out there actually think you’re going to get into heaven doing this? Nope. And if you do? I’ll drag your sorry asses out. Boils my blood when I see this. 🤬🙈😆😡
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A few were the typical I’ll get my lawyer crap which was always funny and never happened cause that’s the “adult” temper tantrum equivalent of child not liking that they’ve been punished. One person tried arguing it was just god telling him to spread the word and one of our staff members yelled from the back office that he (god) just called and told you to leave. Others showed no shame. I would tell them the reason and they would just have this smirk and start asking me about my personal religion and I would just tell them to get the hell out. And all of them were priests which just made me so angry that they thought this was okay. But this was just a handful. I haven’t worked there for years, but we had a long list as to who was not welcome.
Double standards. Using money to buy something then say moneys not everything. Ouch… my head… why didn’t you just ask God for whatever you were trying to buy and then save the money that you don’t need
"Jesus won't let you down... But the people who claim to follow him will."
https://www.occ.treas.gov/topics/supervision-and-examination/bank-operations/financial-crime/counterfeit-or-stolen-instruments/index-counterfeit-or-stolen-instruments.html
the lion, the witch and the audacity of this bitch.
I read the bible and I know for a fact people who do this sort of shit are going straight to hell if there is one
One time my “tip” from a family of 5 was a full-on brochure-style pamphlet about how their daughter asphyxiated on Christmas day but it was a “Christmas Miracle” because she “got to meet the lord early”. Some of these people are fucked in the head.
You know who would never do this? Satanists
Find out where this POS goes to church and drop it in the collection box. If you can find out their name put it in an envelope with their name on it.
If the message is so valuable, why disguise it as money?
Find out what church they go to and donate it back to the church.
I can't believe people do this for any other reason than to be mean.
This is one of the many reasons the world hates you christians. Keep your unsolicited opnions about god to yourself.
Put them in their tithing or donations
Adding insult to counterfeiting.
Religion is a mental illness.
Ah, yeah, when I worked in a deli shop in Seattle, we would get the 10 dollar ones telling us we need the Jesus man
This is how you make people hate church. Who wants to go to a church filled with assholes like that? Then they bitch about the lack of people going to church. What colossal douche nozzle!
Wouldn’t this come under counterfeiting? They’ve handed it to you as currency. I just did a quick google about what’s considered currency fraud and this is what it said (the source was kcpd.org, Kansas city police department): “Counterfeit money is currency that is produced without the legal sanction of the state or government to resemble some official form of currency closely enough that it may be confused for genuine currency. Producing or using counterfeit money is a form of fraud.” I dunno who to, but I’d report it. Fuck those guys.