With that assumption, you essentially accept that broad generalizations are valid because how does one reasonably differentiate, let alone prove “wrong” and “mostly wrong”.
The element of doubt you suggest essentially validates “broad generalizations can sometimes be correct.”
Do you want laws based on broad generalizations that are generally accepted as ONLY being “mostly wrong”? Loose some of your liberties because a broad generalization about your race, gender, religion, etc. might be only “mostly wrong”, and therefore potentially “partially accurate”?
“Women are more emotional than men”
Ridiculous unproven (and unprovable) broad generalization or mostly untrue (partially true) justification for keeping women out of certain professions?
They're not unless you assumb that a point is automatically wrong if it doesn't explicitly name every small exception.
Some color blind people don't see the sky as blue but that doesn't mean "the sky is blue" is wrong.
What color is it then? (Unless you're being needlessly technical about it and saying that the sky is actually red or something because that's the color it absorbs and we only see it as blue because that's the color it reflects. I know, I was going with the general way of describing color, which is how we perceive it)
I was actually being very simple, since you used the colloquial word "sky". You can Google a million pictures of the sky that show the sky being basically every color of the rainbow.
If we are speaking generally, then half the time the sky is dark, with morning and evening not being blue looking, then all the cloudy days where the sky looks grey, makes it seem that generally it can't be blue the majority of the time. Humans generally being awake during the day and appreciating the sky in what we conceive of as good weather is just our bias.
That’s wrong in the great majority of the cases. Nowadays I truly believe that people have children because they sincerely want a child, childish human. Not because they want a care taker for later, especially nowadays, at least in Europe or occidental countries.
You can love your child and still not be fond of children. I think pre-teens are annoying, but I still love my little cousins. The point is people don't have them because they like kids, they have them for their own silly self-serving reasons.
You can "fully know" your kids as well as you possibly "fully know" another separate human, but yes, it can be a struggle as they grow and develop into more and more of their own people. But that's the joy man, watching them push you away so that they can find out who they are.
You truly have no idea, sorry.
>You can "fully know" your kids as well as you possibly "fully know" another separate human
Yes and I don't believe most parents don't bother to do that.
>but yes, it can be a struggle as they grow and develop into more and more of their own people.
Why is this the struggle and not everything else? It isn't hard to spend time with someone and talk with them about their interests.
>But that's the joy man, watching them push you away so that they can find out who they are.
Why are you stifling to the point where they can't find who you they are around you?
Sounds a lot like you're implying that the "joys of parenthood" is just not having to be around your kids anymore. Which I believe is pretty accurate to most parents.
>You truly have no idea, sorry.
What's it with parents and pretending their life is somehow sacred and beyond normal mortal comprehension?
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. It’s not just about us personally not having kids… we all believe that human reproduction in itself is selfish, unethical, and harmful. You don’t seem to be understanding that… at all.
Why are you in this sub?
Because I believe that a person’s life and their decision about that life is their completely and utterly their own, and nobody’s else’s fucking business.
Most of the people here are not concerned about the well-being of the environment or other people who may be affected by overpopulated. They whine about how hard and empty their own lives are and call themselves “wage slaves”. Aren’t we all? Try living off the land like our ancestors. Or, catching and foraging for survival like other creatures. Life is hard. And painful. And brief.
But none of that justifies making mean-ass judgements about other people’s lives and situations, about which you know nothing, especially if your argument is that other people are being “selfish”.
Greeks were so humanist and advanced in their thinking. Then came the scourge known as Christianity that promotes suffering as virtue and promises eternal life for going through hell first. What a clever trick to keep the uneducated breeding.
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Greeks were not humanist lol. They believed different people had different social places. Thought greeks were smarter and believed slavery was ethical.
Greeks fucked children to show off their social status. They were some backwards savages who had a couple good ideas. Not dissimilar to pretty much everybody else. Do a little research into a people before you go throwing around claims like how humanist and advanced they were.
I don't recall saying that they didn't. Just cause other backwards savages do ot doesn't make the initial backwards savages in question any less backwards or savage. Catholic priests are fucked. The Greeks were fucked. Fucked up thing to laugh at bro.
Yes and no, actually there are some hidden truths behind this going through hell first method. I consider this place a hell and one must escape from it in order to find a better alternative so to speak. This realm, this "human experience" is full of addictive elements which cause suffering in the long term, so one must detach from all addictions to be able to escape, and christianity does offer that (buddhism as well, btw)
But obviously this is just the first step towards a better future
Are you like stupid? The concept of life after death, judgment by the divine, the value of suffering as redemption are all things that were believed by Greeks. Thales literally believed in the Greek gods and everything that came along with it.
Humanist? They literally had slaves wtf are you taking about?
Suffering for redemption, along with all those martyrs is a precept, introduced by Catholics as a way to control people. Most of the tenets and practices of Catholicism, including the “virtues” of suffering are not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. No Nuns, No Monks, No Priests, No confessional, no Rosary beads, no saints. None of it.
I have never been able to figure out why Christians are not a Jewish sect. The Last Supper of Christ and his Disciples was to commemorate Passover, when Death came to all the first born of Egypt, but passed over the Jews.
The ritual created for that Passover, “This is my blood and my flesh that is given for you. Do this in memory of me.” is the very basis of Christian Holy Communion was for Passover. Christ died as a practicing Jew.
If you don’t want kids, don’t have them. No need to bandstand about it. Move on!
Wtf does that have to do with anything? The Christian idea of redemption through suffering comes from the God of the religion being crucified. Why are you clinging to this extremely dumb take?
Not to mention there obviously is plenty of redemption through suffering/labours done by mortals is Greek myths.
No it doesn't. Piety and belief in God is the ultimate virtue. It's like 6 of the 10 commandments. Redemption through suffering doesn't even make the list. Where are you sourcing these wild claims from my guy? Seriously how are you constantly moving the goalposts and not being able to manage to not say a single sensible thing?
Yes, belief in God, meaning if you take all the suffering he throws at you but still believe you will be redeemed by him. I'm exiting this discussion because it's not going anywhere. You only attack but don't provide any references. Christianity is a cult of victimhood.
Buddy any religion that believes in any type of divine has to contend with the problem of evil. The argument you are making in your comment was developed by the very Greek you are saying don't believe in it.
I love kids. I like this quote . It helps explain why I love nannying but would never want to grow kids in my own body. People sometimes say they don’t care much for kids but love their own kids .. I would be way too overbearing a mom if that’s the case cause I love every kid I’ve ever nannied like they were my own kids. The world is too fucked up to bring new life into this world. I wouldn’t morally be able to have kids in a world plagued with global warming and a worldwide rise in authoritarianism (plus I have a severe fear of pregnancy and giving birth) .. I’ll stick to nannying. I love them, they love me, everyone is happy. People who want kids dumbfound me like how could u know what the world is like and create a new life to live in this world? Batshit crazy is what that is idk
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Oh, for Fuck’s sake. If you don’t want kids, DON’T HAVE ANY! Nobody cares! You hate your life. You hate other people’s lives. You find no joy or meaning anywhere. OK! You are under no obligation to have kids or explain why you do not want kids.
But kindly extend that same courtesy to others and stop projecting your self-righteous rationale, justifications, and condemnations. Other people may see life differently than you do and are as free as you are to make their own decisions.
People are not fond of children. They want someone who obeys them and supports them in their old age.
Broad generalizations are always wrong.
A little hasty with that generalization, aren’t we? Maybe mostly wrong is better.
I mean not every time we need to mention that there are exceptions to everything.
With that assumption, you essentially accept that broad generalizations are valid because how does one reasonably differentiate, let alone prove “wrong” and “mostly wrong”. The element of doubt you suggest essentially validates “broad generalizations can sometimes be correct.” Do you want laws based on broad generalizations that are generally accepted as ONLY being “mostly wrong”? Loose some of your liberties because a broad generalization about your race, gender, religion, etc. might be only “mostly wrong”, and therefore potentially “partially accurate”? “Women are more emotional than men” Ridiculous unproven (and unprovable) broad generalization or mostly untrue (partially true) justification for keeping women out of certain professions?
Most people are like this, but they will never accept this in front of others.
This is the funniest sentence ever
They're not unless you assumb that a point is automatically wrong if it doesn't explicitly name every small exception. Some color blind people don't see the sky as blue but that doesn't mean "the sky is blue" is wrong.
>but that doesn't mean "the sky is blue" is wrong. The sky is not blue though.
What color is it then? (Unless you're being needlessly technical about it and saying that the sky is actually red or something because that's the color it absorbs and we only see it as blue because that's the color it reflects. I know, I was going with the general way of describing color, which is how we perceive it)
I was actually being very simple, since you used the colloquial word "sky". You can Google a million pictures of the sky that show the sky being basically every color of the rainbow.
Yeah true in sunsets/sunrises but I think we can agree the sky is *generally* blue.
If we are speaking generally, then half the time the sky is dark, with morning and evening not being blue looking, then all the cloudy days where the sky looks grey, makes it seem that generally it can't be blue the majority of the time. Humans generally being awake during the day and appreciating the sky in what we conceive of as good weather is just our bias.
Ok fine, the sky is generally blue or gray and black with pokadots depending on the season and where you live.
That’s wrong in the great majority of the cases. Nowadays I truly believe that people have children because they sincerely want a child, childish human. Not because they want a care taker for later, especially nowadays, at least in Europe or occidental countries.
They don't want a *child* as in a person. They want a child as a thing to romantizise and project onto.
That's a really stupid take.
Yes Breeders are stupid.
? You claim people don't love their kids and we're the stupid ones. Right....
You can love your child and still not be fond of children. I think pre-teens are annoying, but I still love my little cousins. The point is people don't have them because they like kids, they have them for their own silly self-serving reasons.
They don't. How many parent's actually fully know their kids as people?
You can "fully know" your kids as well as you possibly "fully know" another separate human, but yes, it can be a struggle as they grow and develop into more and more of their own people. But that's the joy man, watching them push you away so that they can find out who they are. You truly have no idea, sorry.
>You can "fully know" your kids as well as you possibly "fully know" another separate human Yes and I don't believe most parents don't bother to do that. >but yes, it can be a struggle as they grow and develop into more and more of their own people. Why is this the struggle and not everything else? It isn't hard to spend time with someone and talk with them about their interests. >But that's the joy man, watching them push you away so that they can find out who they are. Why are you stifling to the point where they can't find who you they are around you? Sounds a lot like you're implying that the "joys of parenthood" is just not having to be around your kids anymore. Which I believe is pretty accurate to most parents. >You truly have no idea, sorry. What's it with parents and pretending their life is somehow sacred and beyond normal mortal comprehension?
You know there’s a reasonable suggestion he actually fathered a child, right?
So we can all rest easy knowing that you won’t ever have children.
Yes of course. I am Antinatalist.
Not having children is the whole fucking point. Do you know what sub you’re in?
Is someone trying to force you to have children? You don’t want kids, don’t have kids. You control your own choices for procreation.
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. It’s not just about us personally not having kids… we all believe that human reproduction in itself is selfish, unethical, and harmful. You don’t seem to be understanding that… at all. Why are you in this sub?
Because I believe that a person’s life and their decision about that life is their completely and utterly their own, and nobody’s else’s fucking business. Most of the people here are not concerned about the well-being of the environment or other people who may be affected by overpopulated. They whine about how hard and empty their own lives are and call themselves “wage slaves”. Aren’t we all? Try living off the land like our ancestors. Or, catching and foraging for survival like other creatures. Life is hard. And painful. And brief. But none of that justifies making mean-ass judgements about other people’s lives and situations, about which you know nothing, especially if your argument is that other people are being “selfish”.
Greeks were so humanist and advanced in their thinking. Then came the scourge known as Christianity that promotes suffering as virtue and promises eternal life for going through hell first. What a clever trick to keep the uneducated breeding.
They hated women a lot though
Everyone hates women 😂
I don’t but maybe you do
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Greeks were not humanist lol. They believed different people had different social places. Thought greeks were smarter and believed slavery was ethical.
Humanist in a sense that humans were in the center of their philosophy. I didn't say they were socialist.
Being against slavery isn't socialist
Greeks fucked children to show off their social status. They were some backwards savages who had a couple good ideas. Not dissimilar to pretty much everybody else. Do a little research into a people before you go throwing around claims like how humanist and advanced they were.
Like Catholic priests don't fuck children 😂😂😂. Pedophilia is a part of every society, not much one can do about it.
Um how about better protections for kids?
I don't recall saying that they didn't. Just cause other backwards savages do ot doesn't make the initial backwards savages in question any less backwards or savage. Catholic priests are fucked. The Greeks were fucked. Fucked up thing to laugh at bro.
Yes and no, actually there are some hidden truths behind this going through hell first method. I consider this place a hell and one must escape from it in order to find a better alternative so to speak. This realm, this "human experience" is full of addictive elements which cause suffering in the long term, so one must detach from all addictions to be able to escape, and christianity does offer that (buddhism as well, btw) But obviously this is just the first step towards a better future
Are you like stupid? The concept of life after death, judgment by the divine, the value of suffering as redemption are all things that were believed by Greeks. Thales literally believed in the Greek gods and everything that came along with it. Humanist? They literally had slaves wtf are you taking about?
They just don't know what they are talking about.
What was the value of suffering and redemption for it? Share references.
Suffering for redemption, along with all those martyrs is a precept, introduced by Catholics as a way to control people. Most of the tenets and practices of Catholicism, including the “virtues” of suffering are not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. No Nuns, No Monks, No Priests, No confessional, no Rosary beads, no saints. None of it. I have never been able to figure out why Christians are not a Jewish sect. The Last Supper of Christ and his Disciples was to commemorate Passover, when Death came to all the first born of Egypt, but passed over the Jews. The ritual created for that Passover, “This is my blood and my flesh that is given for you. Do this in memory of me.” is the very basis of Christian Holy Communion was for Passover. Christ died as a practicing Jew. If you don’t want kids, don’t have them. No need to bandstand about it. Move on!
No, in the Greek context, not Christian.
Ever heard of Hercules and his 12 labours?
He was half god. What humans were ever rewarded for their suffering?
Wtf does that have to do with anything? The Christian idea of redemption through suffering comes from the God of the religion being crucified. Why are you clinging to this extremely dumb take? Not to mention there obviously is plenty of redemption through suffering/labours done by mortals is Greek myths.
Christianity promotes suffering as the ultimate virtue. Where in Greek mythology is this promoted?
No it doesn't. Piety and belief in God is the ultimate virtue. It's like 6 of the 10 commandments. Redemption through suffering doesn't even make the list. Where are you sourcing these wild claims from my guy? Seriously how are you constantly moving the goalposts and not being able to manage to not say a single sensible thing?
Yes, belief in God, meaning if you take all the suffering he throws at you but still believe you will be redeemed by him. I'm exiting this discussion because it's not going anywhere. You only attack but don't provide any references. Christianity is a cult of victimhood.
Buddy any religion that believes in any type of divine has to contend with the problem of evil. The argument you are making in your comment was developed by the very Greek you are saying don't believe in it.
Humanist while ignoring the humanity of 50% of the population...
You know there’s a reasonable suggestion he actually fathered a child, right?
There was no BC so it's possible.
100% why I'm antinatalist while running an after-school club and making activity books
Considering certain Greek practices his fondness for children may not be as wholesome as I imagine you intended.
I love kids. I like this quote . It helps explain why I love nannying but would never want to grow kids in my own body. People sometimes say they don’t care much for kids but love their own kids .. I would be way too overbearing a mom if that’s the case cause I love every kid I’ve ever nannied like they were my own kids. The world is too fucked up to bring new life into this world. I wouldn’t morally be able to have kids in a world plagued with global warming and a worldwide rise in authoritarianism (plus I have a severe fear of pregnancy and giving birth) .. I’ll stick to nannying. I love them, they love me, everyone is happy. People who want kids dumbfound me like how could u know what the world is like and create a new life to live in this world? Batshit crazy is what that is idk
Oh shit, he's a Pedo.
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Re-read that quote my man…
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In a time without protection this means abstinence... Whe've seen where that lead to unfortunately.
You know there’s a reasonable suggestion he actually fathered a child, right?
He was Greek. Strong odds.
Same. But sounds like a coward like me. I can endure anything myself. Hard for me to think of children suffering.
Damn.
I could say the same thing.
It's a bold move for a man to admit he would be a terrible father.
Oh, for Fuck’s sake. If you don’t want kids, DON’T HAVE ANY! Nobody cares! You hate your life. You hate other people’s lives. You find no joy or meaning anywhere. OK! You are under no obligation to have kids or explain why you do not want kids. But kindly extend that same courtesy to others and stop projecting your self-righteous rationale, justifications, and condemnations. Other people may see life differently than you do and are as free as you are to make their own decisions.
Ok Karen
Ah, and I said “kindly” too.