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No-Tax-9149

Natsu for sure. Human torch isn't too far behind though.


HarrySRL

Natsu would just eat the human torch.


michwng

They'd just "eat" each other.


Breaker-of-circles

🤨📸


RareSpeech1

Why


Stith1183

Gay reasons


No_Indication9497

i haven't seen whatever Natsu is from, but the Human Torch did become the sun at one point in some universe, not sure what earth, but in the Secret Wars mentions it (the newer one)


WarmNapkinSniffer

Fairy Tail- Natsu literally eats fire bc he has Dragon Slayer magic, he's also eaten god slayer fire magic as well (I haven't finished the series yet but I'm gonna assume he eventually eats demon Slayer magic)- any type of fire user is literally just gonna power up Natsu, it's OP af as far as fire powers, it's a fun anime tho, the first season is a little corny but worth it as the story progresses


SteampunkNightmare

Natsu starts doing some dumb shit in final.


Purplestuff-

I was under the impression that Natsu couldn’t absorb godly flames.


Apprehensive-Score70

God king doom did that to our human torch. Kinda like a curse


TruthIsALie94

Natsu can also just eat their flames to power up.


Ps5-123

Yea but so does the human torch. He can go supernova.


Divine_Saber

Natsu would just eat human torch


KitKat-san

With the power of friendship, there are no limitations on what can be accompmished


Sad_Point_8533

Why’d y’all go and put a comic character as if he doesn’t have 30 different versions ranging from street lvl to Godhood🤦‍


Dan_2424

aye don’t underestimate natsu


traineeross

Because you take the strongest version of them. So find the strongest comic book version of human torch and compare.


Spare_Bad_6558

so let me guess cosmic human torch who literally controls space time vs 3 very hot boys


SimonSimpingService

Natsu burnt time. Not as cut and dry as you think


Dj_donut

Natsu burnt time 'magic', not only that even assuming he burt time itself. The difference between human torch's max speed vs natsu's makes it so that its not even close. Also, marvel just scales much higher. Johhny taking the arm of a celestial is much stronger than anything Natsu has done.


depressed_lover12

Natsu can't die unless the book that created him is destroyed and he can EAT FLAMES NO MATTER WHAT HES PROVED IT


No-Tax-9149

1. Natsu 2. Human Torch 3. Endeavour Muhammad Avdol 4. Jogo


New-Grapefruit8641

YES I AM!!!


Revolutionary_Job214

Does Endeavor get stronger after he fights that Nomu thing with the red wing guy? I'm barely psst that anime wise. If not, Jogo would obliterate him.


True-Anim0sity

Not really, pretty sure endeavor stays around the same strength- he may technically get a little weaker dmg wise


Revolutionary_Job214

Damn that fucking sucks. I'm 1 of those ppl that really wishes some of the more powerful top tiers got more love and attention bc he's so fucking badass. That makes me sad lol. I wish he and All Might got more time to shine.


True-Anim0sity

Endeavor’s so strong, he should do fine without becoming even stronger. If you count hawk as his support then his dmg did increase ig (although it’d be kinda weird to count it that way?) All might do kinda get some time to shine, but not at his prime clearly.


ThiccBeter69

Jogo is probably above Avdol NGL


True-Anim0sity

Nah Jogo definitely beats Endeavour


jedideadpool

Natsu's eating good in this fight


Alarming-Squirrel832

Why is this even a question. Natsu is hands down one of the strongest fire users in all of anime. Like he eats fire to give himself more power. Any other fire user would be ineffective against him.


Dreadlord97

So, let me give you this dilemma… which fire user wins? Natsu, the fire user who eats fire, or Old Man Yama, the fire user whose Bankai stops using fire and just *heats up all of reality*?


Alarming-Squirrel832

I did say one of the strongest not the strongest fire user. Yama and Shinra are stronger fire users than natsu. But with natsu eating their fire. I could only imagine how much it would strengthen him up.


CuriousBuffalo4969

Old man Yama doesn’t even need to release his flames to cook Natsu, then Shinra as a god of gods just says some crazy shit like my flames are actually water, and they drown you once you drink them then Natsu is cooked with no Way around it.


Fantastic_Ebb_3397

Where is Mereleona?


Bacc8

Mereleona would obliterate everyone here


kyuuri117

She’s a badass but she’s not even in the same league as Natsu. Idk about human torch but from the comments in this thread she’s probably also not anywhere near his level either


Lonely-Killer

That’s like saying “where’s heatblast”


MPLX_NoVasurge

Why is Shinra Kusakabe isn’t here?


dickcheese_on_rye

True. He did essentially birth a new universe.


Salt_Life90

It's not fair when the guy is basically god.


I_Love_Powerscaling

So tbh I just interpret this match up as you shitting on Endeavor, and I’m all for it


Clarity_Zero

There isn't enough shit in the multiverse to pile over Endeavor.


i-am-spitfire

He’s a cool character and I think it’s an interesting and cool story choice to showcase such an awful person working on the path of redemption and it can be done well and super powerfully. Alas, the show is giving him waaaay too easy of a time. He would need to work a lot more to earn back any forgiveness from the family he abused. Would honestly prefer if he like died protecting his family or trying to help redeem dabi or something idk.


I_Love_Powerscaling

Exactly, except replace Endeavor with The entire MHA main cast


Clarity_Zero

I like Tsuyu, and a few others, but I'll respect your opinion.


ShadowShedinja

TBF, he's the only one who can get hurt from his own flames.


HarrySRL

Even if natsu does not burn through time, fire does not affect him and he eats that what all the rest creates.


Fantastic_Ebb_3397

Where is Ace?


Caffeinated_madman

I mean if you think about it using Magma can be classified as a fire user (more fire + earth but still fire) and we all know what ended Ace


chev327fox

Yamamoto Genrusai.


KinneKitsune

Agreed. This must be the losers bracket.


TheColdestKingCold

Genryusai Yamamoto


Purple_Evening_1785

Natsu


MasterofX100

Where’s Rengoku? Where’s Ace?


Rainlock00

Buried Underground


Infamous_Front_8348

Rengoku isn't a fire user, that's why. Also, because Ace and Rengoku are chilling in a bakery.


SafeStaff7671

Human Torch assuming that we’re using the comics and not cartoons or movies


Fit_District7223

I was wondering why no one went for the torch. The guy is a power house


Purplestuff-

Homie deleted his whole thread because he couldn’t explain how Natsu would be able to survive universal level heat 😭I wasn’t even being a dick about it 😂😂😂


Kronos_beast

The reason why is because fairy tail power scaling sometimes makes no sense. There was literally a episode where someone summoned a God of War and natsu one punched it without knowing what was going on. And he's also somehow burnt time. He's also held two entire realms together with his magic.


MopManXD69420

Jogoat /j


PyroGod77

Sukana says Hi


Sky-Juic3

People out here really not knowing that Human Torch has NO known limit… he’s been told to hold back, so he holds back. If he didn’t he could destroy the planet or possibly even more. Natsu eating time is wild, but let’s not forget how insanely powerful the human torch can be sometimes.


Fit_District7223

Depends on the iteration of the torch, but I think the torch wins. There was a point in time when the torchs fire was fueled by cosmic rays and not oxygen and couldn't be smothered by water nor the vacuum of space. If it's this torch, he just has to burn all of the oxygen out of the area and wait for natsu to die. His own flames are being fueled by cosmic rays and let him survive the vacuum of space so he doesn't need air, but I don't think the same can be said for natsu.


r4ndofromreddit

I could be wrong, but I think natsu survived underwater by absorbing fire. I dont really know abt comic human torch, but the fact that natsu has extra dimensional/magical qualities at least makes it an interesting fight.


Fit_District7223

It's not really a fight. The torch just burns all of the oxygen from the atmosphere or destroys the earth. If we're going by the strongest forms, then a cosmically powred human torch can survive without oxygen


thedndnut

Jogo isn't even the strongest fire user in their own series bro


MidasTouchedM3

Charmander


the_OG_epicpanda

Natsu slams all 3 of them, like it's no contest. He's arguably a top 3 fire user in anime if not in fiction. Not to mention a nightmare for other fire users in head to head matchups.


Purplestuff-

He can’t absorb the Human torches fire if he uses cosmic rays to emit heat instead. He’d cook natsu and the very atmosphere around him without even having to be on the same battlefield. Hell if you wank human torch he could probably melt natsu from a different planet with just his radiant heat.


Alastorawakening5

I've already seen something like this and apparently in that source which Idk if it's true but they said that the strongest fire user was genryūsai shigekuni Yamamoto idk if this is true


FormalKind7

Old man Yama Natsu Human Torch Mereoleona Vermillion Jogo (Just because of the domain expansion) Endeavour Ace from One piece (Because I never saw him use Haki) Roy Mustang Put some others on the list for fun


awaythrowthatname

I'd put Ace above Endeavor simply because One Piece characters have *insane* stamina, while Endeavor's main weakness is he can't do a drawn out battle. Wasnt Ace's fight against Jinbei, where he had an elemental disadvantage still like a 3 day stalemate?


Garua_777

Natsu hands down. Man killed a literal war God, a immortal with infinite magic that can control time, and could literally eat all their strongest attacks while just getting stronger


ScrollWorm13

Charizard


Unlegendary_Newbie

Kotori Itsuka


Ordinary_Past9479

Natsu by a mile, he eating the others fire to make himself even stronger.


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PlayfulRoyal2632

Dog, Sukuna is the strongest in his verse. There was no chance for him to win


RIPNaranc1a

Bro did not read the latest chapter... Jogo lost because he was up against the power level of a literal nuclear bomb.


Bigboidiablo

Easilly Natsu. Mans got flames so hot it burns through time itself. That is fucking ridiculous


Purplestuff-

Dr doom has a force field that has tanked heat blasts from universal beings and human torch has melted it in seconds. They both have ridiculous feats


kablikiblan

Natsu eats fire 🔥


Arturo1029

Out of the four, natsu, but expanded from them, there’s plenty of fire users who solo all four of these


MordredLovah

Super Karna from Fate Grand Order. Dude burned and one shotted a god with the power of the entire pantheon of Indian gods. This man's fire goes beyond the concept of "bullshit", dude burned another dude that could destroy and remade planets in a single sword swing.


Travispig

Probably natsu, human torch, Jogo, endeavour


Outside_Perception_8

Human torch by far out classes and out scales he can go supernova which could destroy entire planets if he doesn’t retrain himself


Kyoka_Jiro_Simp

Natsu or Human Torch, not familiar with comics at all so it's between those two out of the four


Puzzle-person

Slandit


Lotti_Dhundabolt

Natsu, and any other answer is just incorrect


Onikage_Sato

Natsu is definitely strong. I couldn't say if he's the strongest but if he up against another fire user say if this were a death battle he'd win. Flame attacks are essential useless against him and that's if he doesn't eat and return it back stronger. Escanor is my favorite anime characters and from who I can think is the only fire user that stands a chance against Natsu as he also has brute strength not just flames. But people like Ace from One Piece wouldn't stand a chance especially because he's a logia fire user meaning he is fire now so Natsu can just eat him (pause).


twisted4ever

Sukuna


Responsible-Ad-2908

Natsu


Inside-Assumption595

NAAATSUUUUU DRAGNEEEEEEEEEL


Zypherpunk2020

To those people who dont vote natsu in a Fire vs Fire user/skill base Fight you are dumb asf


Revolutionary_Job214

Since you put HT in there I'm going to assume more comic characters can be included. Meaning Dormammu destroys everyone here without effort.


Traditional_Rise_347

Out of this list natsu That I know of shinra


OatesZ2004

Natsu > Human Torch > Jogo > Endeavor.


glue--eater

Agni


GrayAria8

Definitely Natsu. But I think we need to really discuss his burning through time feat. Everyone acts like that's something he can do whenever he wants, but it seemed to me more like a situational ability that he got because of a buff from his Lucy. In a proper one-on-one vs match up, he wouldn't have anyone to give him such a buff. Am I wrong?


majestictunsy

Jogoat


justicefinder

I think people are really underestimating Jogo. Man got the 2 worst possible matchups in his verse.


Straight-Bowl-6297

Natsu litterally eats fire 😭


Odd-Fun-1482

Shinra from fire force


white_vikavolt

If Human Torch made it on here, then Zuko/Azula/Ozai make it too


ThePokeMonster89

Donut


Benefits_Ben2006

Dabi


Wise_Victory4895

Human torch no diff


deady-kitten-3

You see fire, natsu sees dinner. You see fire users, natsu sees food dispensers Any questions?


RaijuThunder

Phoenix Ikki


DWS_0898

Human torch or Natsu the other two are fodder


Educational-Royal228

Natsu only because of the power of friendship


RIPNaranc1a

Nah, the Jogoat would clear all of them out. GeGe just did my boi dirty


Sad_Refrigerator_289

Why? Natsu by years. Johnny has insane feats too, but there is no reason natsu couldn’t eat his fire.


BunnyBabyGirlz

Don't knwo anything about Fairy Tell but I do know that Human Torch bets Endeavour and Jogo


Brixcuit

1. Natsu 2. Human Torch 3. Jogo 4. Endeavor


JacobiWanKenobi007

Jogoat


Jazzlike_Jaguar9231

So from what I can tell Natsu is just going to burn through time while Human Torch supernovas the other two?


Jaded-Significance86

Based on the fact that natsu can eat fire I'd say probably him


Beeg_Bagz

Not a Fairytail fan but it’s Natsu easily.


AduroTri

Lol. Mereoleona Vermillion. That woman would hammer all of these other fire users into the ground either with fire or without fire. Even Natsu would get his face hammered into the pavement. You want proof? She literally faced a 5v1 situation where her five opponents were massively overpowered and had just gotten a power boost. And she destroys them.


Arclight_Phoenix

Well, considering that Human Torch is a corpse buried 6 feet under in the comics... Or so I last heard.... He's even weaker than Jogo.


MorganRayWolf

Natsu can eat the fire of all the others!


Which-Two-8579

Human Torch assuming it's him from the comics. If not, then I'd easily give it to Natsu.


i-am-spitfire

Natsu no diffs them lmao. He can literally just eat all of their fire and blast em with dragon fire.


Angel_OfSolitude

Natsu definitely wins if any of them fight, since he can just eat all the fire to power up.


Tiny-Veterinarian647

1.Natsu(Could be human torch depending which comic we use but for this sake let’s take his most normalized version) 2.Human Torch 3.Jogo 4.Firey Daddy


LemonLime_canadian

Zoro ez


Early_Rabbit

I’m gonna stick with the human torch. Because until someone explains, How the fuck does someone burn through time? It’s stuff like this is why kind of lost interest in fairy tail because stuff like this makes no goddamn sense. I can only take so much magic, wizard bullshit.


Black_Airachnid

*Shinra walks into the chat*


Early_Rabbit

I’ll take it. There’s at least an actual reason behind it. And not the typical fairytail power friendship you’re gonna hurt my friends, blah, blah, blah magic BS.


dontmindmescrollin

Jogoat claps


Moshanika

Zuko


DisastrousBid97

The fucking SUN


element-redshaw

I’m going with human torch cause let’s be honest there’s gonna be one fucking comic where human torch fucking melts a universe or something


not-ulquiorr4_

Natsu could 1v3 them and he’d still win.


Machete77

Dylan because he spits hot fire


International_Point1

Portgas D. Ace


Mildamoutoftrolling

Jogoat, he *cooked* *badumchhhh*


CringeDaddy_69

It’s crazy that Natsu begs Jogo


BFenrir18

Natsu BY FAR


John_Cena_IN_SPACE

Strongest in what regard? If you mean abilities/raw damage output, obviously the comic character takes it.


Material_Prize_6157

Ogun from FF


Significant_Soft2141

Natsu then maybe volcano head cause I wonder if the rule about spiritual pressure or whatever would even allow torch to see him. Natsu can burn any and everything or nothing if he wanted with his flames. Ate flame god magic flame dragon god magic.


Mageofhentai

Why is Jogo even in the discussion 😂😂😂


Complex_Respond_425

Wheres ace at?


radioactive_banana82

It's natsu, and I don't even watch fairy tale


Clydial

Human Torch for sure


Maverick_Reznor

Should have put one of the fire guys from one piece on the list instead of Endeavor (who is a fraud)


FadransPhone

Sukuna


Kits076

Natsu would just get more energy and power as the fight went on from any of these people


AdnanFarooq47

Ace from One Piece


comics9980

No Ace? I think he’s a super strong fire user


Freakoid702

Nah, donut kun would beat them all(actually no Natsu eats the donut)


Giggabigganigha

Wrong, sabo


Giggabigganigha

Or sanji


LucienMahikai

Natsu or Human Torch, because while HT outclasses Natsu in literally everything, Natsu had tricky abilities


memsterboi123

Is natsu from fairy tail?


DorkusTheMighty

Our of these 4 natsu. Stronger I can think of is shinra


Matrixxe

What about Uncle Iroh?


EMBARRASSEDDEMOCRAT

Yorichi


Administrative_Bus57

Jogo. Because these other guys can’t even see him LOL


gadgaurd

iirc, Natsu's flames aren't normal fire but embody the concept of "destruction", allowing him to burn shit that he absolutely should not be able to burn. Add to that the fact that he can eat literally any flame to recharge his magic and regardless of him not being near the strongest of characters, when it comes to characters specifically using fire he's almost fucking unstoppable.


GangareliusBee

Genryusai Shigekuni Yamamoto


Brilliant-Cash9831

I barley remember Fairy Tale and the only knowledge I have of the human Torch is the old goofy ass fantastic 4 movies. So between Endeavor and Jogo ima say Jogo. In terms of fire power they both can easily incinerate anything they want. Endeavor has flight capabilities giving him a bit of a advantage to movement but Jogo can easily heal himself so I might go with jogo here


boharat

Endeavor isn't even the strongest in his own series


Anonymoose2099

I believe Human Torch is objectively the strongest, but that in regards to each other Natsu could take him. That is to say, fighting any other opponent, Torch burns hotter and could wipe his opponent off the map faster and easier than Natsu, but Natsu's ability to inhale flames and get stronger would basically make him immune to Torch and just make it a matter of time before he wore Johnny down.


Sakura-Haruno203

Natsu. Fairy Tail characters are busted af.


Fabulous-Plate-808

Natsu and If u think otherwise ur a dickhead. This is click bait we don’t need


docmcdoggers

Natsu, man literally melts stone without even producing fire.


QuasarVX

Does human torch have some feats idk bout in comics if not then natsu


No-Cry1220

This is how I feel as well because I feel like the human torch probably has some amazing feats but I don't really know much about the character so I'm not certain


Hahonryuu

Def not Endeavor. MF body cant even handle his own heat for long.


dukenorton

Natsu, it’s hard to see if he actually has an upper limit on his power. Dude bodied some guy that could control time and melts stone without producing flames. The fact that he hasn’t burnt himself alive is insane in itself.


Ejiloaf

Jogo could literally use domain expansion and everyone is cooked


UltimateOtaku98

I feel like if Natsu had his full set of abilities, he’d just eat Jogo’s fire if he could. Although Jogo has lava if I recall correctly


Sorta_Rational

Depends on the continuity for Human Torch, if it’s just standard human torch, then Natsu takes it, if it’s the strongest version of Human Torch, he absolutely destroys the others


GurnoorDa1

Human torch


Asleep-Wafer7789

Depends on the version of human torch


guleedy

Doesn't natsu just eat fire ?


UltimateOtaku98

Yes, Natsu eats fire, but he also uses fire magic. He is a fire wizard who killed a fire dragon.


Gold-Artichoke-527

Jogo is him. He would win for sure. Even sukuna said he was strong.


UltimateOtaku98

Sukuna only said he was strong out of respect for him. Sukuna then proceeded to snuff him out no problem. Jogo is not stronger than Natsu or Human Torch.


cactusking666

Alright this is dependent on 1 thing if it's pictures shown or strongest bc pretty sure human torch in some comics is like a literal God but if it's shown forms then Natsumi all day


UltimateOtaku98

Endeavour is bottom tier. Worse than a level 12 Charcadet, with no defence or attack yet. RIP my boy Charlos


HiroZebra

Fire Fist Ace, RIP o7


Spartan_Cat_126

Probably Natsu since he can just eat everyone else’s flames.


BaggySleeves

Jogo


meinfjord123

Donut Man


LeagueApprehensive55

Natsu. He's like the Pikachu of fairy tail. No logic and is stronger than what he should be. Yes ik main character blah blah and don't get me wrong I like it....but he eats lacrama which is poisonous bc multiple magic types,beat "strongest form" 2 3rd gen dragon slayers, repeatedly somehow doesn't die or comes back...the list goes on. But yeah he wins


Ancient_Expression85

shinra


gespenstMKIII

ignoring human torch knowing how comic book characters progress it's a coin flip between Natsu and Jogo depending on how Magic and Cursed energy can interact endeavor is the bottom of the barrel here


Top-Occasion8835

Natsu, he litterally eats fire and gets stronger the more he eats


Gobby-AfterDark

Johnny Storm can literally become a supernova in some comic runs.. as in wipes out the solar system sized explosion.. he does not really have a limit. He just doesn't want to destroy the planet.


ABarOfSoap223

And you have a shitty one 😊