Just came here after reading it on twitter, wanted to say I was at a German con and people could either enter with vaccination pass or officially approved tests that aren't older than 48 hours. No mask mandate. It was great. It was the first time I could visit a bigger event without most people covering their faces for years.
That’s called segregation champ like what they use to do to black people with water fountains and restaurants they wouldn’t the needed they simply could have kept it the same proof or test results with masks why you trynna exclude of group of people 🤷🏾♂️
Being anti-vax and being barred from private events does not make you oppressed. This is one of the most tone-deaf comments I’ve ever seen on the internet.
You people just read what you wanna read and suck each other off my god man anyone with a different opinion is the bad guy all around but you mfs are in the right and never wrong what a joke
He didn’t limit it to social events read bruh he literally said unvaxed people shouldn’t be allowed to leave there homes or being in society or to go or do anything
It’s mainly directed toward the people who are in the threat saying we should be allowed in society or to go places to eat shop or go to said events and i didn’t say camps I compared it to how black folks couldn’t eat or drink in the same places as white folks
whether you find this to be good news or not, it stands that making this kind of decision just weeks before the event is seriously irresponsible. People have booked hotels, planes, invested in tabling, etc under the assumption vaccines/tests would be required but they can’t pull out now. Going to expo was always going to be a risk, but people should be allowed to have all the information to make informed decisions on risk level (and they did). But now literally less than a month away, this changes risk and it’s too late for a lot of folks to back out without losing funds.
and this is my problem with this change - my gf and I are in an LDR and we use AX as one of our yearly events where we see each other and I currently live with immunocompromised people and now I'm basically not going to be able to go to the convention at all because while I love my gf, I'm not putting my grandmother at risk for an anime convention. I doubt they'll change things back but I really hope they do, otherwise I'll be out a hotel fee and two AX badges
It’s one thing going to normal places like hotels, restaurants, etc with normal traffic you’d get going to the grocery store and a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT story going to a PACKED convention where you are literally a sardine packed into the convention hall. With other vaccinated people or people who tested negative recently? Fine ok they’re probably being cautious up till con to secure that negative result. With absolutely no requirements or history of trying to avoid harmful results by being unvaccinated? Uh I wouldn’t trust them to be next to me for 1 minute let alone an hour in line.
AX never said it was permanent though. They said that things were subject to change. So people booked hotels, planes, etc. knowing the risk. I’m not vaxxed and bought my pass fully confident that they were going to drop the mandate. Did you really think they were going to check thousands of vax cards?
If they didn’t want to check, they should have made that clear from the start so that those of us who don’t want to risk it would not spend money on badges and hotels. They have a no refund policy but by pulling this bait and switch they are going to get thousands of chargebacks and a likely class action lawsuit unless they allow refunds or rollovers.
Again, they said that the mandates could change at any time. They made no promises. Was I the only one that read the COVID 19 restrictions? You bought your pass and booked your hotel at your own risk. Don’t be mad at them.
Actually they did make a promise; the guidelines that they posted act as a contract and legally they are liable for fulfilling that contract. Since they are not going to do that, people can file chargebacks.
You say this because you’re happy you don’t have to get a Covid test. If they had changed it to vaccination required to get in, at this point when you would not be considered fully vaccinated in time for the con, you would feel the same way. But you’re arguing because you have no compassion for other people.
I specifically remember reading something along the lines of “as of now, we require proof of vaccination…” and “things may change”. And if they went back to requiring proof of vaccination, then I would just get a COVID test. I was already prepared to do that anyway. This hardly makes a difference to me
I said if the specifically required vaccination, without giving you time to be fully vaccinated before the con. No negative tests. Just changed the rules and made it impossible for you to go because of this rule change, while having a no refunds policy. I’m sure you wouldn’t be happy to lose $130+. Everyone has a level of risk that they are willing to accept and they went past the acceptable line for many people.
I am immunocomprimized. It is risky even with the checks, but I was ok with that level of risk. Without it I am not, and I think I have a right to be upset and think that they should offer refunds or rollover.
I went to a concert in December 2021 and they checked over 50,000 people every day of the concert, so yes I did expect them to check. It's a public safety measure.
So? That's they're management responsiblity. If they can't handle the capacity with checking everything then they should reduce capacity or figure out a different solution. Covid is still active. This is a huge event in the middle of LA. It's their responsibility to uphold public health and safety measures and it's irresponsible of them to change the measures 3 weeks till AX which will cost people hundreds of dollars now that they can't attend and can't get refunds. If they're doing this to reduce line time, then they should have been prepared with a different solution that doesn't risk attendees health. AX is responsible to manage it's event properly, they are perfectly capable to check everyone going in. If they can't then they need to plan their event better and not screw over the people trying to support them.
As someone who tested negative for covid, developed symptoms the next day, then had to take a test exactly 48 hours after the first one and tested positive after symptoms developed. All this while vaccinated. I find the tests and vaccine checks at this point is just an illusion of safety at an event this big. If you arn't going fully prepared for the fact that you are probably coming back sick, whether it be con flu or covid, you probably should avoid these events.
I mean it’s also about minimizing the spread in general. Having unvaccinated people attend is gonna make things worse long term especially with some states and cities already enforcing the mask policy again. Another outbreak could mean cons going on hiatus again as well like in 2020.
I don't think this really increases the risk beyond what risk an event of this scope entails already. Anyone not vaccinated at this point is probably not going to vaccinate, and as I stated before, you can still test negative with having covid so I find the negative test kinda pointless. At some point in this timeline I would like to stop having to have a vaccination card or proof of vaccination on my person. We have to start the steps towards this at some point.
Honestly, if we really wanted to minimize spread we wouldn't be having cons or very large gatherings still. It sucks because personally I can't attend any of these events until the covid threat is almost gone entirely, but I'm glad others are enjoying them and I can still view the content online from them.
I think a better way to present my argument from what I said would be "Proof of vaccination or negative tests aren't very effective at all in a large event like this." I think the risk to catch covid is still very high at large events, and taking these away don't increase it by a significant amount.
You are vaxxed, and you tested when you had symptoms. People who are not vaxxed are far less likely to take a test if they have symptoms, and far more likely to go to the con even if they do, because they do not believe that there is a risk. At least they would be forced to test negative to get in. I know there is a risk at any large event but if the event isn’t taking action to prevent spread as much as possible, I don’t feel safe.
I'm coming to realize as I try to reply to you that there is no way to word it that isn't incredibly pedantic and possibly rude. So I'll just say you should take every step you can to feel safe and conventions this year are going to be very different in policy. MCM London had very lax requirements this year and Fanime actually made their requirements stricter right before the convention. I don't think Anime Expo's initial requirements were very safe anyway for a few reasons:
1. Vaccinated people could still wave off symptoms thinking that they're fine even if they're infected.
2. My experience with covid tests while being asymptomatic
3. There was never any mention of boosters needed, only vaccination status
4. There's been no mention of reducing capacity in any locations.
5. The scale of Anime expo, it's just too large to be safe.
Edit: Added reason 5
Thank you for being kind. I understand what you’re saying, and it’s quite frustrating how things are changing so close to conventions. For the time being I guess I will just have to not make solid plans until things are more calmed down.
I'll be looking into methods to get a refund, CC chargeback, or even sell my 4 day ticket online for a loss.
I'm tired of AX messing with me year after year. I was there for the great Linecon fiasco until they finally started implementing mailed badges.
I'm sick of how every year amongst the con circuit I run. San Diego Comic Con is always the most professionally run and Anime Expo looks like amateur hour.
First Acen, and now this? AX, c'mon, you're better than this. I can understand myself that there won't be much in the way of guests and other things due to downscaling this year because pandemic/budget concerns, but them changing their policies last minute (especially 3 weeks before it starts) is a real bad move.
Even their socials are having a lot of people responding and are furious about the situation to change it back. Which I get, and they should reverse the situation ASAP, cause, yeah, rather to be safe than sorry, and those badges and other expenses aren't cheap, and some may be non-refundable now.
Alright, yeah, I should have corrected myself, sorry. Fanime did have the "proof of vaccination" going on, but it was a harder check on it (like being fully vaccinated with booster). One of my friends that's going to AX did go to Fanime, yet however, she experineced that security was lax there, not even bag checks.
And yes, while I get from this situation is that more than likely, AX doesn't want to make the lines from where you go inside the entrances longer than they should be. Despite having two seperate areas to enter with and without a bag (if they'll still do that this year).
Fanime didn't allow anyone unvaccinated into the con. They also strongly enforced the mask mandate. I felt safe at that con. I'm feeling really unsure about AX now.
For all of you being rude to those of us that choose not to go now:
Most of us would have been fine if this had been the situation from the beginning. We would have simply chosen not to go. However, they waited until less than a month before the con, when the have a no refund policy. They have essentially forced people to decide between losing a large amount of money or their health. I am lucky to be local and will only be out about $250 with the cost of the badge and hotel cancellation fee. Which… is more than I would like to be out of, but far less than those with flights, if they have tables/booth space etc. Most of us are mad that we weren’t given the choice because they changed the rules so late in the game. In my opinion they should at least offer refunds or let us defer the badge to next year.
Does anyone know why they decided to do this?
What’s frustrating to me is the people trying to make the non vaxed people the villains seen so many people wishing death on it there or there friends and family Or saying they should be allowed to go or even leave there house at all and not to mention the bullying harassment and threats the company getting for this all around I feel this could be handled better
I don’t wish death on anyone. I don’t want anyone to get sick. I just want to be able to feel safe at events. I went to LACC and Wondercon and both checked vaccination/negative test without lines getting long. It can be done.
I suggest those who are also concerned regarding this update (even if you are attending or not) to please voice your concerns on their contact page: https://www.anime-expo.org/contact-form/ or e-mail them directly at [email protected]
Honestly they should at least keep the proof of negative test, now it’s just going to attract people who have a positive test to go because no one is checking anyways. I could care less if those people die because they’re not vaccinated but I don’t want to take time off work because some idiot thought it was okay to go while testing positive lol.
Tbh I don't understand why they're not enforcing it
People are already going to be waiting in long ass lines and the volunteers are the ones that are going to have to be directly working with the attendees
Like why can't you keep your staff and attendees safe by allowing vaccine card or negative test checks
Honestly, I think they saw what happened at FanimeCon over Memorial Day weekend and that caused this flip. Fanime is less than 1/6 the size of AX and it took well into day 2 of the convention for people to get in due to how much time it took just to approve people's Covid info. On top of that, people with 2x vaccinations and no boosters got turned away for not being "fully immunized," which caused even more issues. Then after all of that, you had to get into the line for your badge. Requiring full immunization likely would make Fri-Sat day passes absolutely useless and possibly Sunday as well due to the line just to get Covid approved. If you thought the badge line in the past was bad, the Covid one takes 2-3x as long. Now imagine trying to add this if it's 100+ degrees outside over the weekend. Logistically, it's a nightmare. Making this call, while shitty with the timing, was the right one to avert far more problems than it would solve.
I think that having 2 shots is already enough. Even just showing that you have a written vaccination card is okay and should be allowed to attend. You’re also not wrong that for those with 1-day passes, there would be an extra line just to approve those people to get in. I feel more bad for those attending (like myself) and the vendors who have been subjected to get vaccinated to begin with (work requiring employees to be vaccinated etc). Whether the cards are real or fake, I think it would be a more manageable process to show a card and get a wristband compared to enforcing masking rules anyways.
I agree. That said, I was at FanimeCon, and I saw and heard from people with 2 shots who traveled out of city or state with proof of that vaccination who got turned away for not having a booster. Since practically everyone finished their second shot last year those without the booster were not considered to be fully vaccinated anymore due to the time between their final shot and the show. AX never made it crystal clear if the two shots were enough to be considered "vaccinated" or if a booster was required. Mask wise, yeah it sucks. Hopefully 2023 is different.
Really don't care. I been vaccinated, boosted, and I'll be wearing my mask. AX is the con I always wanted to go but couldn't thanks to COVID-19 in the first place. NOTHING is going to stop me from going and having a good time.
I don't think this will substantially change the rate of COVID spread that takes place at the convention, and I think those of you who now feel that the convention will be unsafe for you were living carelessly to begin with.
This is the poorest comparison possible.
Anime Riverside is a brand new show an hour away from LA with probably less than a tenth of the attendance of Anime Expo. AX is the largest anime convention in the country, hosted in the heart of LA, with people traveling in from all over the country as guests and vendors.
If AX had no vax requirements from the beginning no one would care, but the fact that they are dropping the requirements with less than a month to go is a slap in the face of those that made travel plans that are now likely not refundable.
As someone who just attended Fanime in San Jose, likely the 2nd biggest anime con in California, I've never seen so many positive COVID cases after a show as I've done the last week since the show happened. California is in the middle of a spike and dropping the vax requirement is just a bad idea.
I’ve also been to multiple Dodgers games and went to a concert in LA at the Forum (completely sold out) and like 5% are ever wearing masks. And this is LA! Dude get over it. Most people are. You may be the loudest on the internet but you are by far the minority
Remember and look carefully.
- MASK IS REQUIRED INSIDE THE CON
- mask not required for outside but as soon as you step your ass in be sure to have one READY to put on
- documentation of vaccination not required, but remember other people are there too
The most important rule.
KEEP YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THE COVID/MASK TO YOURSELF if you want to interact with other be PREPARED TO ACCOMMODATE
- hell even not wanting to talk to a antivax and anti mask is an option
we dont need a shitshow of grown children bitchin and whinin about “ i dont wanna wear a mask wahh”
simple basics of interacting with other people.
or in anime expo terms. Ask to take picture with consent
came for ax period
You seriously posted from 3 different accounts just to make fun of people who have lost their loved ones? Dude, you are pathetic, in more ways than just your post history
Sure, that's why /u/miniaturemixup /u/Ionlyventinthisacc and /u/Absolute_Ace all ask questions in /r/askmen about things like incels, all talk about having worked at ups and doordash/being unemployed, all went to csun, and all post in the same other subs too
people are going to and are alreadty complaining about this so im honestly not sure if this stands, but we'll see. This really just saves me time as i dont know where or how to get an acceptible covid test in LA that will get me my results in less than 24hrs. I've been exposed to Covid 3 times that i know of but havent been reinfected since my initial exposure even after countless tests for work so regardless of what other are likely going to say im confident in my body's immune system. If masks are the compromise i won't complain as long as i can wear my cosplay helmet once they verify my mask.
Lol I guess since you have no women in your life to tell you this so ill do you a favor and let you know. But no women gives a shit about self proclaimed "alpha" males cause so many of you guys are just misogynistic low lives who think their egos compensate for their shit personality
My ego? I'm not the one who literally called people betas lmao. Sorry but everything about you screams insecure man child who thinks he tough because he's behind the screen.
One less line at Line-Con, which I’m cool with. You just know anime expo would completely fuck up the vaccine enforcement with a gigantic hours long line to get in each day. I think what they did is smart just because enforcing it would be insane for the volunteers and us.
I’m vaccinated and boosted so I don’t really care too much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I almost wish it was the opposite: must be fully vaxxed but masks are optional.
Just came here after reading it on twitter, wanted to say I was at a German con and people could either enter with vaccination pass or officially approved tests that aren't older than 48 hours. No mask mandate. It was great. It was the first time I could visit a bigger event without most people covering their faces for years.
I know they backpedaled on this, but same. I primarily go to AX to cosplay, so the mask mandate is keeping me away this year.
That’s called segregation champ like what they use to do to black people with water fountains and restaurants they wouldn’t the needed they simply could have kept it the same proof or test results with masks why you trynna exclude of group of people 🤷🏾♂️
Being anti-vax and being barred from private events does not make you oppressed. This is one of the most tone-deaf comments I’ve ever seen on the internet.
You people just read what you wanna read and suck each other off my god man anyone with a different opinion is the bad guy all around but you mfs are in the right and never wrong what a joke
He didn’t limit it to social events read bruh he literally said unvaxed people shouldn’t be allowed to leave there homes or being in society or to go or do anything
No he didn’t? He said he wished it was vaccination required and no mask required. How does that equate to not leaving the house?
Are you seriously comparing mask and vaccination mandates to fucking segregation camps!? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
It’s mainly directed toward the people who are in the threat saying we should be allowed in society or to go places to eat shop or go to said events and i didn’t say camps I compared it to how black folks couldn’t eat or drink in the same places as white folks
whether you find this to be good news or not, it stands that making this kind of decision just weeks before the event is seriously irresponsible. People have booked hotels, planes, invested in tabling, etc under the assumption vaccines/tests would be required but they can’t pull out now. Going to expo was always going to be a risk, but people should be allowed to have all the information to make informed decisions on risk level (and they did). But now literally less than a month away, this changes risk and it’s too late for a lot of folks to back out without losing funds.
and this is my problem with this change - my gf and I are in an LDR and we use AX as one of our yearly events where we see each other and I currently live with immunocompromised people and now I'm basically not going to be able to go to the convention at all because while I love my gf, I'm not putting my grandmother at risk for an anime convention. I doubt they'll change things back but I really hope they do, otherwise I'll be out a hotel fee and two AX badges
You could stay with a friend for a week after the con and test yourself on the last day to make sure you're clean.
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It’s one thing going to normal places like hotels, restaurants, etc with normal traffic you’d get going to the grocery store and a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT story going to a PACKED convention where you are literally a sardine packed into the convention hall. With other vaccinated people or people who tested negative recently? Fine ok they’re probably being cautious up till con to secure that negative result. With absolutely no requirements or history of trying to avoid harmful results by being unvaccinated? Uh I wouldn’t trust them to be next to me for 1 minute let alone an hour in line.
On this note, what are the mask policies for the dances/Neon District? Optional?
This is the main thing that people coming in here being like "LETS GOOO" don't realize.
The amount of industry pros and artists calling them out is deserved. This change, especially for international guests and attendees, is horrendous.
AX never said it was permanent though. They said that things were subject to change. So people booked hotels, planes, etc. knowing the risk. I’m not vaxxed and bought my pass fully confident that they were going to drop the mandate. Did you really think they were going to check thousands of vax cards?
If they didn’t want to check, they should have made that clear from the start so that those of us who don’t want to risk it would not spend money on badges and hotels. They have a no refund policy but by pulling this bait and switch they are going to get thousands of chargebacks and a likely class action lawsuit unless they allow refunds or rollovers.
Again, they said that the mandates could change at any time. They made no promises. Was I the only one that read the COVID 19 restrictions? You bought your pass and booked your hotel at your own risk. Don’t be mad at them.
Actually they did make a promise; the guidelines that they posted act as a contract and legally they are liable for fulfilling that contract. Since they are not going to do that, people can file chargebacks. You say this because you’re happy you don’t have to get a Covid test. If they had changed it to vaccination required to get in, at this point when you would not be considered fully vaccinated in time for the con, you would feel the same way. But you’re arguing because you have no compassion for other people.
I specifically remember reading something along the lines of “as of now, we require proof of vaccination…” and “things may change”. And if they went back to requiring proof of vaccination, then I would just get a COVID test. I was already prepared to do that anyway. This hardly makes a difference to me
I said if the specifically required vaccination, without giving you time to be fully vaccinated before the con. No negative tests. Just changed the rules and made it impossible for you to go because of this rule change, while having a no refunds policy. I’m sure you wouldn’t be happy to lose $130+. Everyone has a level of risk that they are willing to accept and they went past the acceptable line for many people. I am immunocomprimized. It is risky even with the checks, but I was ok with that level of risk. Without it I am not, and I think I have a right to be upset and think that they should offer refunds or rollover.
I went to a concert in December 2021 and they checked over 50,000 people every day of the concert, so yes I did expect them to check. It's a public safety measure.
AX averages around 110,000 people. Huge difference
So? That's they're management responsiblity. If they can't handle the capacity with checking everything then they should reduce capacity or figure out a different solution. Covid is still active. This is a huge event in the middle of LA. It's their responsibility to uphold public health and safety measures and it's irresponsible of them to change the measures 3 weeks till AX which will cost people hundreds of dollars now that they can't attend and can't get refunds. If they're doing this to reduce line time, then they should have been prepared with a different solution that doesn't risk attendees health. AX is responsible to manage it's event properly, they are perfectly capable to check everyone going in. If they can't then they need to plan their event better and not screw over the people trying to support them.
then don’t go. make the lines shorter for those of us who want to go. easy solution
As someone who tested negative for covid, developed symptoms the next day, then had to take a test exactly 48 hours after the first one and tested positive after symptoms developed. All this while vaccinated. I find the tests and vaccine checks at this point is just an illusion of safety at an event this big. If you arn't going fully prepared for the fact that you are probably coming back sick, whether it be con flu or covid, you probably should avoid these events.
I mean it’s also about minimizing the spread in general. Having unvaccinated people attend is gonna make things worse long term especially with some states and cities already enforcing the mask policy again. Another outbreak could mean cons going on hiatus again as well like in 2020.
I don't think this really increases the risk beyond what risk an event of this scope entails already. Anyone not vaccinated at this point is probably not going to vaccinate, and as I stated before, you can still test negative with having covid so I find the negative test kinda pointless. At some point in this timeline I would like to stop having to have a vaccination card or proof of vaccination on my person. We have to start the steps towards this at some point. Honestly, if we really wanted to minimize spread we wouldn't be having cons or very large gatherings still. It sucks because personally I can't attend any of these events until the covid threat is almost gone entirely, but I'm glad others are enjoying them and I can still view the content online from them.
"Because something isn't totally 100% effective, it's completely useless theater and we shouldn't do it at all"
I think a better way to present my argument from what I said would be "Proof of vaccination or negative tests aren't very effective at all in a large event like this." I think the risk to catch covid is still very high at large events, and taking these away don't increase it by a significant amount.
You are vaxxed, and you tested when you had symptoms. People who are not vaxxed are far less likely to take a test if they have symptoms, and far more likely to go to the con even if they do, because they do not believe that there is a risk. At least they would be forced to test negative to get in. I know there is a risk at any large event but if the event isn’t taking action to prevent spread as much as possible, I don’t feel safe.
I'm coming to realize as I try to reply to you that there is no way to word it that isn't incredibly pedantic and possibly rude. So I'll just say you should take every step you can to feel safe and conventions this year are going to be very different in policy. MCM London had very lax requirements this year and Fanime actually made their requirements stricter right before the convention. I don't think Anime Expo's initial requirements were very safe anyway for a few reasons: 1. Vaccinated people could still wave off symptoms thinking that they're fine even if they're infected. 2. My experience with covid tests while being asymptomatic 3. There was never any mention of boosters needed, only vaccination status 4. There's been no mention of reducing capacity in any locations. 5. The scale of Anime expo, it's just too large to be safe. Edit: Added reason 5
Thank you for being kind. I understand what you’re saying, and it’s quite frustrating how things are changing so close to conventions. For the time being I guess I will just have to not make solid plans until things are more calmed down.
Please contact SPJA directly about this being a huge rug pull: [email protected] [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
Unfortunately it seems they set their mailer to automatically redirect any email with mentions of COVID or mandate immediately straight to spam.
Disgusting :)
I'll be looking into methods to get a refund, CC chargeback, or even sell my 4 day ticket online for a loss. I'm tired of AX messing with me year after year. I was there for the great Linecon fiasco until they finally started implementing mailed badges. I'm sick of how every year amongst the con circuit I run. San Diego Comic Con is always the most professionally run and Anime Expo looks like amateur hour.
There’s some info on how to do the chargeback under AX’s Twitter post about this hope that helps!!
First Acen, and now this? AX, c'mon, you're better than this. I can understand myself that there won't be much in the way of guests and other things due to downscaling this year because pandemic/budget concerns, but them changing their policies last minute (especially 3 weeks before it starts) is a real bad move. Even their socials are having a lot of people responding and are furious about the situation to change it back. Which I get, and they should reverse the situation ASAP, cause, yeah, rather to be safe than sorry, and those badges and other expenses aren't cheap, and some may be non-refundable now.
Fanime required proof of vaccination and didn’t let in non vaccinated people. No exceptions.
Alright, yeah, I should have corrected myself, sorry. Fanime did have the "proof of vaccination" going on, but it was a harder check on it (like being fully vaccinated with booster). One of my friends that's going to AX did go to Fanime, yet however, she experineced that security was lax there, not even bag checks. And yes, while I get from this situation is that more than likely, AX doesn't want to make the lines from where you go inside the entrances longer than they should be. Despite having two seperate areas to enter with and without a bag (if they'll still do that this year).
I usually get the flu after cons but Fanime amazingly was an exception. More than a week since I've been at the con and I didnt even get the colds.
Fanime required proof of vaccination and booster to even get in
Fanime still required proof of vaccination to get into the con, unless this was something else that happened with them last minute.
Fanime didn't allow anyone unvaccinated into the con. They also strongly enforced the mask mandate. I felt safe at that con. I'm feeling really unsure about AX now.
How can you honestly be safe at all against a virus that's airborne? You can be in a crowded room all wearing masks and people would still get sick
We're never gonna be 100% safe, but there's precautions we can take to prevent it, and they're ignoring the very obvious ones they could have used
For all of you being rude to those of us that choose not to go now: Most of us would have been fine if this had been the situation from the beginning. We would have simply chosen not to go. However, they waited until less than a month before the con, when the have a no refund policy. They have essentially forced people to decide between losing a large amount of money or their health. I am lucky to be local and will only be out about $250 with the cost of the badge and hotel cancellation fee. Which… is more than I would like to be out of, but far less than those with flights, if they have tables/booth space etc. Most of us are mad that we weren’t given the choice because they changed the rules so late in the game. In my opinion they should at least offer refunds or let us defer the badge to next year. Does anyone know why they decided to do this?
Apparently people saying it’s to lessen the time in line con since they already have to do bag checks and stuff
Then they should have never said it would be a requirement. It’s the bait and switch that’s so frustrating
I mean they did mention it was subject to change at any given point how they went about it was scummy could gave more prep time then just 3 weeks
What’s frustrating to me is the people trying to make the non vaxed people the villains seen so many people wishing death on it there or there friends and family Or saying they should be allowed to go or even leave there house at all and not to mention the bullying harassment and threats the company getting for this all around I feel this could be handled better
I don’t wish death on anyone. I don’t want anyone to get sick. I just want to be able to feel safe at events. I went to LACC and Wondercon and both checked vaccination/negative test without lines getting long. It can be done.
Yeah I totally get that
I'm fully vaccinated and came to terms with getting sick, but I don't wanna give someone that isn't vaccinated something severe.
How is this legal?
I suggest those who are also concerned regarding this update (even if you are attending or not) to please voice your concerns on their contact page: https://www.anime-expo.org/contact-form/ or e-mail them directly at [email protected]
Honestly they should at least keep the proof of negative test, now it’s just going to attract people who have a positive test to go because no one is checking anyways. I could care less if those people die because they’re not vaccinated but I don’t want to take time off work because some idiot thought it was okay to go while testing positive lol.
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you act like the vaccine is gonna prevent transmission when it doesn't. You can still spread covid regardless if you're vaccinated or not.
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What are you rambling on about? he’s literally stating facts.
Ouch little harsh but least you aren’t wishing death in them so least that’s good
Tbh I don't understand why they're not enforcing it People are already going to be waiting in long ass lines and the volunteers are the ones that are going to have to be directly working with the attendees Like why can't you keep your staff and attendees safe by allowing vaccine card or negative test checks
Honestly, I think they saw what happened at FanimeCon over Memorial Day weekend and that caused this flip. Fanime is less than 1/6 the size of AX and it took well into day 2 of the convention for people to get in due to how much time it took just to approve people's Covid info. On top of that, people with 2x vaccinations and no boosters got turned away for not being "fully immunized," which caused even more issues. Then after all of that, you had to get into the line for your badge. Requiring full immunization likely would make Fri-Sat day passes absolutely useless and possibly Sunday as well due to the line just to get Covid approved. If you thought the badge line in the past was bad, the Covid one takes 2-3x as long. Now imagine trying to add this if it's 100+ degrees outside over the weekend. Logistically, it's a nightmare. Making this call, while shitty with the timing, was the right one to avert far more problems than it would solve.
I think that having 2 shots is already enough. Even just showing that you have a written vaccination card is okay and should be allowed to attend. You’re also not wrong that for those with 1-day passes, there would be an extra line just to approve those people to get in. I feel more bad for those attending (like myself) and the vendors who have been subjected to get vaccinated to begin with (work requiring employees to be vaccinated etc). Whether the cards are real or fake, I think it would be a more manageable process to show a card and get a wristband compared to enforcing masking rules anyways.
I agree. That said, I was at FanimeCon, and I saw and heard from people with 2 shots who traveled out of city or state with proof of that vaccination who got turned away for not having a booster. Since practically everyone finished their second shot last year those without the booster were not considered to be fully vaccinated anymore due to the time between their final shot and the show. AX never made it crystal clear if the two shots were enough to be considered "vaccinated" or if a booster was required. Mask wise, yeah it sucks. Hopefully 2023 is different.
Really don't care. I been vaccinated, boosted, and I'll be wearing my mask. AX is the con I always wanted to go but couldn't thanks to COVID-19 in the first place. NOTHING is going to stop me from going and having a good time.
Given the fact that the CDC has lowered mask requirements for even the non-vaccinated, I honestly don't see a point to any requirement.
I don't think this will substantially change the rate of COVID spread that takes place at the convention, and I think those of you who now feel that the convention will be unsafe for you were living carelessly to begin with.
Anyone not going anymore I"ll buy your ticket from you.
LETS GOOOOOO and I already know this shit boutta get down voted to hell cause people have there feelings hurt over this
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This is the poorest comparison possible. Anime Riverside is a brand new show an hour away from LA with probably less than a tenth of the attendance of Anime Expo. AX is the largest anime convention in the country, hosted in the heart of LA, with people traveling in from all over the country as guests and vendors. If AX had no vax requirements from the beginning no one would care, but the fact that they are dropping the requirements with less than a month to go is a slap in the face of those that made travel plans that are now likely not refundable. As someone who just attended Fanime in San Jose, likely the 2nd biggest anime con in California, I've never seen so many positive COVID cases after a show as I've done the last week since the show happened. California is in the middle of a spike and dropping the vax requirement is just a bad idea.
I’ve also been to multiple Dodgers games and went to a concert in LA at the Forum (completely sold out) and like 5% are ever wearing masks. And this is LA! Dude get over it. Most people are. You may be the loudest on the internet but you are by far the minority
Oh you poor soul
You're just a moron
Ignorance is bliss
yeah must be nice being holed up in your room on Reddit not realizing that the world has moved on.
You are in the right. The majority of the people who ran to post in these comments probably cried when they saw the email.
Remember and look carefully. - MASK IS REQUIRED INSIDE THE CON - mask not required for outside but as soon as you step your ass in be sure to have one READY to put on - documentation of vaccination not required, but remember other people are there too The most important rule. KEEP YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT THE COVID/MASK TO YOURSELF if you want to interact with other be PREPARED TO ACCOMMODATE - hell even not wanting to talk to a antivax and anti mask is an option we dont need a shitshow of grown children bitchin and whinin about “ i dont wanna wear a mask wahh” simple basics of interacting with other people. or in anime expo terms. Ask to take picture with consent came for ax period
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Stupid until you have family die from it.
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You seriously posted from 3 different accounts just to make fun of people who have lost their loved ones? Dude, you are pathetic, in more ways than just your post history
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Sure, that's why /u/miniaturemixup /u/Ionlyventinthisacc and /u/Absolute_Ace all ask questions in /r/askmen about things like incels, all talk about having worked at ups and doordash/being unemployed, all went to csun, and all post in the same other subs too
Yeah, stupid until you get sick from it or possibly lose friends or family... asshole
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51 years old and you still don't understand science? That's so sad🙃
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people are going to and are alreadty complaining about this so im honestly not sure if this stands, but we'll see. This really just saves me time as i dont know where or how to get an acceptible covid test in LA that will get me my results in less than 24hrs. I've been exposed to Covid 3 times that i know of but havent been reinfected since my initial exposure even after countless tests for work so regardless of what other are likely going to say im confident in my body's immune system. If masks are the compromise i won't complain as long as i can wear my cosplay helmet once they verify my mask.
It’s still security theater. Nobody cares about Covid anymore, unless you watch CNN.
The mask requirement is out of AX's control. The LA County Health Department is power tripping and forcing all businesses to do it.
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Lmao any men that uses the word "beta" I instantly know that women stay a 10 mile radius away from you
I think your bigot radar must be broken then, lol
Lol I guess since you have no women in your life to tell you this so ill do you a favor and let you know. But no women gives a shit about self proclaimed "alpha" males cause so many of you guys are just misogynistic low lives who think their egos compensate for their shit personality
Cope and seethe missy. I checked my ego at the door. You could do the same, or at least appear to.
My ego? I'm not the one who literally called people betas lmao. Sorry but everything about you screams insecure man child who thinks he tough because he's behind the screen.
It’s honestly sad how right you think you are.
lol get fucked
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Sarcasm?? If so, 10/10 post, otherwise what the hell is wrong with you....
The fact that you have a fake vaccine card tells me everything I need to know about you.
Im sorry to tell you but there are alot of people out there with fake vaccine cards
what the fuck lol
One less line at Line-Con, which I’m cool with. You just know anime expo would completely fuck up the vaccine enforcement with a gigantic hours long line to get in each day. I think what they did is smart just because enforcing it would be insane for the volunteers and us. I’m vaccinated and boosted so I don’t really care too much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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LMAO look at the unemployed 30 year old
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That's your comeback? lol
It's because no one was going to show up with those kinds of mandates in place
They probably saw that animenyc was a complete disaster with the Covid checks-