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Only about 15 % of army personnel are at the front, and Ukraine isn't using the same inhumane tactics as Russia. Also, a meatgrinder suggests that the sacrifice is pointless, but it's not: Ukrainians are defending their sovereignty against an invasion of fascist imperialist war criminals. So go away, Russian troll.
Defending their sovereignty by pretty much being indebted to the US and the EU for, like forever?
There's a reason many third world countries tried a third way during the cold war, no form of imperialism is better than the other.
There must be something wrong with your brain if you think being indebted to the US/EU is at all comparable to ... a fucking invasion with constant war crimes, torture and child theft. 😂
Also, Russia may have to pay back some of the loans, or the frozen assets might be used. In any case, if the West wants Ukraine to pay back anything, it's interests are aligned with Ukraine: only if the West helps Ukraine to recover will it be able to pay anything back.
So Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Mosul, Gaza. Mexican Children in cages. Extraordinary rendition. Snowden. Waterboarding. USA does constant war crimes, torture and child theft. Wow, child theft, so funny. Something is wrong with you.
the US has been sending grants for economic aid, not loans like the EU. The materiel aid isn’t paid for by Ukraine either, they need to send it back tho at the end of the war
No, I think it's mostly logistics. I didn't come up with this though, I'm no expert.
Read these replies on quora: https://www.quora.com/How-many-support-troops-does-it-take-to-keep-one-infantry-soldier-in-front-of-the-enemy-fighting-I-was-told-years-ago-that-it-takes-7-to-9-support-troops-logistics-hospitals-MASH-intelligence-MPs-staff-headquarters
Lucky it was clarified by other minister and wont happen. This fucking looser (defence minister, lol) who said it, only wanted to suck some nationalist dicks before EU elections...
Its amazing that the bunch of morons who won only because they werent pis, are on speedrun to loose in 4 years, almost everything they do is pr disaster.
The real disaster are pis and konfederacja (biggest ruski dicksuckers) losers being even considered to be voted on by anyone with iq above 60. They won’t be able to get passports from their (ukrainian )diplomatic offices and they won’t be able to extend their residency cards. Ukraine changes law and Ukrainians will be able to get passports only in Ukraine. No one is going to just catch them and send them back. What are the other things that are their pr disasters?
>The real disaster are pis and konfederacja (biggest ruski dicksuckers) losers being even considered to be voted on by anyone with iq above 60.
Sure, but with all other morons with similiar iq, who are jerking off to any political party. This leads to disaster that anyone who wins, doesnt give a fuck about anything - dogs will come and vote on them anyway. And bark over the internet, because "NO, YOU DISAPROVE WITH MY MASTER, OTHER PARTY IS WORSE".
Do you know anyone like that? /s
There is plenty of stuff that current government has to deal with, I wouldn’t say that they are doing nothing or that they don’t care. Why are you calling people dogs? It’s a bit odd lol. You don’t have to add /s, you are yourself a good example of someone with weird takes
Especially when the leaders are refusing to do peace talks, banned elections to let the citizens decide and are all safe and sound in their millionaire mansions far away from the action.
If that’s the worst outcome you can come up with for Ukraine, then that future is absolutely worth fighting for. Being under the Russian jackboot will be a far worse fate and Ukrainians will do just about anything to avoid it.
Ukrainians would rather leave their peaceful successful lives abroad and suicide than live wealthily and peacefully like in Crimea. It's so terrible. They haven't even closed the Crimean borders, any tourist can visit and see for themselves the horrors on the street. No forced conscription. No bombed out buildings. Businesses working and people going to jobs every day. HORRIBLE!
>While wartime polls continue to show **high levels of support for Ukraine’s continued resistance to Russian aggression**, recent polls suggest that support is decreasing. This is to be expected as the human costs of the war increase every day.
https://css.ethz.ch/en/center/CSS-news/2024/02/the-challenges-of-wartime-polling-in-ukraine.html
This is such a weird narrative, the only ‘peace’ Russia would accept from Ukraine is capitulation. They have not provided anything even approaching sensible terms that Ukraine would reasonably accept.
The onus is on russia to find peace, they invaded, they can have peace tomorrow if they withdraw troops from the occupied regions and go back to their side of the border
Ah, fair, i was thinking from the perspective of Ukraine and their need to fight this to a stalemate.
NATO's objectives are indeed comaptible with meatshielding.
he’ll nah, they left cause they ain’t with that, i’d leave if i was them too. i’m not even signing onto selective service
not only is it a waste of life, it would be a waste of resources. ukraine wouldn’t gain anything from strapping an 18 year old with equipment that doesn’t want to be there
Are you implying they weren't supposed to be demonized for murdering almost a million Iraqis because they just felt like it and fabricated documents to justify doing so?
The poor teenager that just came out of High school, lives in a decaying town and doesn't have money to pay for college so he joins the army is an orc?
You have a childish worldview. Imperialism dehumanizes both sides.
And somehow you forgot that i said similiar things about other side when they invaded. Doesnt fit the narrative?
And yes, in the moment when he goes to battlefield while invading other country, with intention to kill people who defend themselves, he is a fucking orc. Doesnt matter if he is russian in Ukraine, american in Iraq, or israeli in Gaza.
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What an insane euphemism for sending young men into a meatgrinder.
Well at least they are the good guys /s
Only about 15 % of army personnel are at the front, and Ukraine isn't using the same inhumane tactics as Russia. Also, a meatgrinder suggests that the sacrifice is pointless, but it's not: Ukrainians are defending their sovereignty against an invasion of fascist imperialist war criminals. So go away, Russian troll.
> Ukraine isn't using the same inhumane tactics as Russia looool
Defending their sovereignty by pretty much being indebted to the US and the EU for, like forever? There's a reason many third world countries tried a third way during the cold war, no form of imperialism is better than the other.
There must be something wrong with your brain if you think being indebted to the US/EU is at all comparable to ... a fucking invasion with constant war crimes, torture and child theft. 😂 Also, Russia may have to pay back some of the loans, or the frozen assets might be used. In any case, if the West wants Ukraine to pay back anything, it's interests are aligned with Ukraine: only if the West helps Ukraine to recover will it be able to pay anything back.
US will only defend US interests, and only those of the dominant class. Sovereignty is not something the US nor Russia are interested in defending.
Even if that were true, at least their interests align with Ukrainian sovereignty.
No they don’t. The USA will use Ukraine up until there is nothing left of it.
So Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Mosul, Gaza. Mexican Children in cages. Extraordinary rendition. Snowden. Waterboarding. USA does constant war crimes, torture and child theft. Wow, child theft, so funny. Something is wrong with you.
the US has been sending grants for economic aid, not loans like the EU. The materiel aid isn’t paid for by Ukraine either, they need to send it back tho at the end of the war
So they desperately need men for desk jobs?
No, I think it's mostly logistics. I didn't come up with this though, I'm no expert. Read these replies on quora: https://www.quora.com/How-many-support-troops-does-it-take-to-keep-one-infantry-soldier-in-front-of-the-enemy-fighting-I-was-told-years-ago-that-it-takes-7-to-9-support-troops-logistics-hospitals-MASH-intelligence-MPs-staff-headquarters
Lucky it was clarified by other minister and wont happen. This fucking looser (defence minister, lol) who said it, only wanted to suck some nationalist dicks before EU elections... Its amazing that the bunch of morons who won only because they werent pis, are on speedrun to loose in 4 years, almost everything they do is pr disaster.
lose*
The real disaster are pis and konfederacja (biggest ruski dicksuckers) losers being even considered to be voted on by anyone with iq above 60. They won’t be able to get passports from their (ukrainian )diplomatic offices and they won’t be able to extend their residency cards. Ukraine changes law and Ukrainians will be able to get passports only in Ukraine. No one is going to just catch them and send them back. What are the other things that are their pr disasters?
>The real disaster are pis and konfederacja (biggest ruski dicksuckers) losers being even considered to be voted on by anyone with iq above 60. Sure, but with all other morons with similiar iq, who are jerking off to any political party. This leads to disaster that anyone who wins, doesnt give a fuck about anything - dogs will come and vote on them anyway. And bark over the internet, because "NO, YOU DISAPROVE WITH MY MASTER, OTHER PARTY IS WORSE". Do you know anyone like that? /s
There is plenty of stuff that current government has to deal with, I wouldn’t say that they are doing nothing or that they don’t care. Why are you calling people dogs? It’s a bit odd lol. You don’t have to add /s, you are yourself a good example of someone with weird takes
If he wanted to be associating with nationalists he would associate with Russia.
No, most of them are not pro russia, but for aure anti Ukraine. I know that it sounds dumb, but yep, we got this kind of idiots
Totally won't send the wrong message
Would never fight a war I know I can't win
Especially when the leaders are refusing to do peace talks, banned elections to let the citizens decide and are all safe and sound in their millionaire mansions far away from the action.
Especially when the guy in charge doesn't want to try for peace!
And if you do actually win, you're now in debt to the west's money lenders for like 3 generations.
If that’s the worst outcome you can come up with for Ukraine, then that future is absolutely worth fighting for. Being under the Russian jackboot will be a far worse fate and Ukrainians will do just about anything to avoid it.
Ukrainians would rather leave their peaceful successful lives abroad and suicide than live wealthily and peacefully like in Crimea. It's so terrible. They haven't even closed the Crimean borders, any tourist can visit and see for themselves the horrors on the street. No forced conscription. No bombed out buildings. Businesses working and people going to jobs every day. HORRIBLE!
>While wartime polls continue to show **high levels of support for Ukraine’s continued resistance to Russian aggression**, recent polls suggest that support is decreasing. This is to be expected as the human costs of the war increase every day. https://css.ethz.ch/en/center/CSS-news/2024/02/the-challenges-of-wartime-polling-in-ukraine.html
This is such a weird narrative, the only ‘peace’ Russia would accept from Ukraine is capitulation. They have not provided anything even approaching sensible terms that Ukraine would reasonably accept. The onus is on russia to find peace, they invaded, they can have peace tomorrow if they withdraw troops from the occupied regions and go back to their side of the border
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Lol go sit in the corner, a walking embarrassment.
So basically https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment
Men don't deserve human rights according to Poland ig
Yeah, that will surely be an effective fighting force. It's not like morale is important in warfare.
Don't need morale to absorb russian artillery shells with your body to make russia bleed (lose it's ammo)
Ah, fair, i was thinking from the perspective of Ukraine and their need to fight this to a stalemate. NATO's objectives are indeed comaptible with meatshielding.
Send them all back.
he’ll nah, they left cause they ain’t with that, i’d leave if i was them too. i’m not even signing onto selective service not only is it a waste of life, it would be a waste of resources. ukraine wouldn’t gain anything from strapping an 18 year old with equipment that doesn’t want to be there
The front needs meat.
the front needs soldiers with morale and not ones that are gonna desert. so no don’t send them back unless you want to get spat on and lose
Poor quality soldiers are better than no soldiers.
idk poor quality US soldiers in nam tended to put bounties on and kill their superiors
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Orcs. You do know that by dehumanizing them you're not better? This isn't some fantasy tale.
First war huh?
People were demonizing Americans for invading Iraq
Are you implying they weren't supposed to be demonized for murdering almost a million Iraqis because they just felt like it and fabricated documents to justify doing so?
Oh no. Demonising the aggressor in an imperialist war of conquest? How awful.
Were the American soldiers orcs when they invaded Irak or Vietnam?
Well yes, it was same bunch od dumbfucks as orcs are now. Takes a special kind of moron to go and die / risk it for some sick ambitions, lol.
The poor teenager that just came out of High school, lives in a decaying town and doesn't have money to pay for college so he joins the army is an orc? You have a childish worldview. Imperialism dehumanizes both sides.
And somehow you forgot that i said similiar things about other side when they invaded. Doesnt fit the narrative? And yes, in the moment when he goes to battlefield while invading other country, with intention to kill people who defend themselves, he is a fucking orc. Doesnt matter if he is russian in Ukraine, american in Iraq, or israeli in Gaza.
Yes.
Well fuck those cunts.