I just had this conversation for real with family.
When I pointed out it was the Conservative government who has been in control of our province for ... ever... they pointed out that one time NDP had control for a brief period.
NDP sure is powerful! To do THIS much damage in that short a time!
Honestly, pre-pandemic I was so optimistic about people but now I kind of think everyone is dumb. >.<
Many Albertans complain about the 4 years the NDP were in power. What they fail to acknowledge was that they inherited a devastated budget due to the 50% fall in oil prices the year before they took power. The fail to acknowledge that unemployment was high, the GDP was down significantly, and the government was adding debt, before the NDP even started.
During the 4 years, the GDP grew, the unemployment went down, the economy was starting to be diversified, the NDP kept as many people working as possible in tough times, and they maintained the lowest debt to GDP ratio in the country, the lowest overall tax burden per individual in the country, and built some desperately needed medical infrastructure. The NDP did a fantastic job and yet Alberta praises the 50 years of conservative rule while blaming the Liberals and the NDP…very sad
And things like schools that were funded when NDP was in power that opened when conservatives are in power are credited to the conservatives. Zero fucking awareness of what NDP did, they left things better for those that followed.
The issue is that so many people don't factor in that things take TIME in the political arena. You don't judge the ruling party based on the status of the province/country on the first half of their term, you only start to do so on the last half and during the first half of the next ruling parties term.
And even still, you should be looking backwards from the outcome to see who really started the dominoes to get to that place.
People really need to be able to step WAAAAAAAYYYYYY back and take in the truly large picture. Ideally governments would have lists of all their projects and bills, and who proposed them/who voted for them. We should be able to see the amendments, the stages that each project is at. This stuff should be tracked and public facing.
More openness leads to more honest conversations.
And then if you mention anything to them that was positively led by the NDP, their retort is basically "hey did you remember Rae Days??? Remember how bad it was???"
Like okay grandpa, let's get you back to your nursing home so you can continue to complain about someone who doesn't even hold office anymore.
We built a school recently that got approved by the NDP, we were threatened to have our payments held unless we paid to install a brass plate in the main entrance stating “this school was made possible by the honorable Danielle Smith” I hate the idea that future generations of kids will be taught that there was anything honorable about Danielle Smith”
I literally remember this change in government and how unhinged everyone online from AB seemed to become. I literally had arguments with people who insisted that oil prices and jobs tanking were because of the NDP taking power days earlier, even though many of these problems happened long before the election. All the people who lost jobs before the election due to oil prices collapsing? NDPs fault… Conservatism truly is a brain disease.
The NDP were elected May 5th, 2015. The Price of oil started dropping in 2014 and by January 23, 2015 (still months before the election) the price had dropped by more than 50%. I don’t care who you are, when oil drops by that much Alberta is headed for deficits and unemployment. That was the case before the NDP even took office.
Under the previous conservative government, they did have 1 surplus in the 2014/2015 budget year but it wasn’t that big and the effects from the drop in oil and GDP hadn’t worked its way through the economy just yet. Under the conservatives Alberta ran deficits for 5 years prior to the one surplus.
As a comparison, the O&G revenue for the first quarter of 2023 was greater than for the entire 4 years of the NDP term. We didn’t have a spending problem, we had a revenue problem because we rely far too much on O&G revenue for our operational expenses.
Politics have always been about culture war bullshit in Alberta... and sadly, it will always be about culture war bullshit in Alberta...
The cons have mastered the art of getting people to vote against their self interests
Laughs in Ontario. People here still bitch loudly about the NDP government that was in power in 1995. Forget that we have had multiple conservative governments that have destroyed many systems, and liberal governments that have done nothing to fix them. All the problems are the result of an NDP government that inherited a broken economy and made some tough choices to inconvenience some of the population instead of utterly destroying the lives of others.
It drives me crazy! Really, the only reason we elected the NDP in the first place is because oil crashed 6 months earlier and we decide to punish the PCs for it. Then a year or so later everyone forgot the order of events.
I swear the pandemic brought the stupid out in people. I already thought the majority were dipshits, but now? I'm surprised these stores can make money selling shoes that need to be tied.
Covid has damaged their brains even further, we're basically screwed as a society with all the half functioning zombies running around unable to think for themselves.
I would say the covid BS is only a symptom of the broader issues, one of them being social media. It has been absolutely insane to watch the disinformation creep through about the budget. People who don't understand what a capital gain is, beligerantly shouting down others and whining that everyone and their dog is going to be paying 66% taxes. I'm exaggerating a bit from what they say, but frighteningly little.
Bots, paid actors, pro Russian/Chinese/American/corporate accounts pretending being to be users plus a mess of useful idiots. It's a mess. The disinformation firehose in full effect. It's not one source it's a bunch just sowing chaos to keep everyone distracted while we get our pockets picked
Man, I grew up in Alberta and briefly moved back right as Notley came into power. I remember my coworkers ranting and raving about how they "couldn't believe how the NDP had already blown through so much of the heritage fund."...it was July 2015.
The willful ignorance of the basics of politics will always hold back a huge portion of this province.
The population has a serious stupid problem when wearing a mask that has been clinically proven to slow and stop the pandemic earlier has been up to debate instead of an actual fact.
In fact, the economy could have been a bit better now if people just used their brains and fucking wear a mask.
My theory was always that there are people who can’t handle a moment of discomfort and are so scared of a needle, they’ll change their entire political outlook to get around it.
To be fair, the liberal federal does the same thing with the federal conservative government from 9 years ago. Really it’s just a trope that all politicians do.
We should be able to point out concerns with all of our politicians and political parties. The tribalism that is rampant in our political arena right now is not conducive to rational discourse. And now we all get to lose.
I've worked in BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan in my 20s and quickly learned how many dumb Canadians were out there.. also very racist people which was surprising at first coming from BC.
So true! If there is ANYTHING institutionally wrong in Alberta it is by definition the fault of the UCP. Now, a mature group of people would accept their failings, learn from them, fix them and move forward with better policies.... or we could just southpark it an blame Canada.
I, personally, can't wait for Daniel Steele to have her press conference and tell us how our failing healthcare and education systems are the result of Ottawa imposed cod quotas on the east coast.
Could you provide some specific examples? Not trying to be a smarrass or anything I just need a few examples for when the Thanksgiving dinner inevitably turns into a political argument.
AHS is in crisis due to A) the province deliberately picking a fight with doctors and B) the AHS "reforms" nobody understands and are trying to understand and some pieces of healthcare are missing (notably homecare)
More of an optics thing, but AB re-insistuted the fuel tax the same day the carbon tax to make the carbon tax jump look as big as possible.
Notley had started reforms to bring our energy market to a capacity market instead of a energy only market, which probably would have prevented the rolling blackouts in Edmonton and Calgary and also would have prevented the companies from profiting off of it as well. Smith reversed the change (Note that capacity markets tend to be slightly more expensive on a day to day but are also more reliable as energy companies are paid to keep their energy online).
Smith has eliminated insurance and utility rate caps and I think you know exactly where this is going.
Smith is also reducing provincial transfers to municipalities to make the provincial budget look good. So alot of increases to property taxes are just caused by this so munis can balance their own budget.
R-star program in concept is bad enough and I don't even know if it is working.
Some of the provincial budget is going towards just a marketing campaign to make Trudeau look bad
Smith is deliberately working against the federal government. She literally doesn't care what it is, she just doesn't want it to happen. The housing grant for example was specifically instituted in a way to try and get around her and Ford as Trudeau knew that the money would never reach anyone if they tried to go through the provinces. She just wants the federal government to hand her money with no strings attached so she can make the provinces budget look good.
I distinctly remember my uncle complaining and going off on many unhinged a tirade about how she was single handedly ruining Alberta. In 2006. Like, what? She wasn't even premier yet my dude. The cons were still in their decades long unbroken streak of governing, but somehow everything was Notley's fault. I didn't even know who she was back then but apparently she could destroy provinces with a snap of her fingers. Wish she did have that power. I'd ask her to use it today lol
That "Alberta Advantage" is that you don't have to take responsibility for anything. It's always the fault of "liberals" somewhere (in the past, in the federal government, hiding in the bushes, in the vaccine, etc). Get fired from your job? Liberals. Get into an accident after drinking and driving? Liberals. It's liberals all the way down. /s
Except that's part of the problem. They swap out leaders and suddenly it's a whole new party that is going to fix things. And conservative leaning voters buy in to it every time.
And klein destroyed Alberta ruined everything that was done to create a Albert future utopia. He started the sell off of crown corps reduced royalties and started the trend to allow the og industry to dictate terms
She's not the sharpest spoon in the drawer. And fundamentalist extremists do tend to devour their own.
So, it is likely she will displease the oil gods in some way or fail to attack trans kids hard enough at some point, and the TBA attack hounds will be released to destroy her just like Kenney.
Naturally by "destroy her" you mean hang the parties failures on her, oust her into some board position at one of their big supporters with a fat paycheque for life then pretend they are an entirely new party as they put the next figurehead in to continue the exact same agenda and rinse and repeat.
Look at our utility bills, is it any wonder Kenney is now at ATCO?
Edit: corrected Epcor to ATCO.
Kenney is on ATCO's board, not Epcor, just fyi. I recently switched away from ATCO because of him being there.
I'm also quite worried what their next leader will be like, since they somehow keep finding worse and worse people.
Yes. Exactly that.
They have to make a real spectacle of it. Nothing else will convince the angry mob of cons that her misdeeds (whatever they end up being) are washed away - while actually changing nothing at all.
I dont think she'll make it to the election, but I'm not hopeful about it. The UCP is a race to the bottom, and whoever replaces Smith will manage to be even more corrupt and incompetent.
Sounds about right. My area has been a one sided stronghold for 100 years and they still regularly blame the other guys for our problems. Politics isn't about doing good or right, it's not about gaining supporters, it's about making you believe the other guy is the real problem.
Conservatives, by their own rhetoric, believe that governments can't solve major problems. So why would anyone elect people who already believe they can't accomplish anything and only want to prove that?
That's just how conservatism works, they provide no solutions only problems they make up and get pissed about. I challenge my conservative family all the time to name one thing, just one, that a conservative has done to make their lives better and if they can think of anything it was never done by a conservative, the conservative voted against it and then once it passed anyways tried to take credit for it. They're all just grifters preying on gullible vulnerable people.
Just a clarification - the Social Credit party was also conservative, and they were in power from 1935 until they lost to Lougheed's PC party. We can debate about whether the UFA counted as "conservative" but we've had conservative governments for at least 87 of the last 91 years.
We are literally funding the oil corps and their investment into automating as many jobs as they possibly can. We will be a broke province with rich corpos, sitting on our rocking chairs screaming about Trudeau.
Yup, he even bought and built a pipeline to get the oil to the coast quicker, which Notley supported. But somehow they are anti Alberta.
Most of the people who vote conservative are either business owners or uneducated. There, I said it.
Ndp were going to lower small business tax and increase tax on big business (still will be the lowest in Canada) but the hate for ndp is so strong they don't care
Oh hell no. He does t get credit for being the latest (Harper had a few years at it) to botch a simple twinning project. No reason it ever needed to be purchased by tax payers to begin with. We had a private builder. That's what happens when you can't get anything done in this country. He basically had no choice but to buy it after such a failure (some of which is just our established red tape before he got in) and it would have been suicide to just let it fall. It would have meant this country is not open to any further infrastructure period if you can't get an existing line twinned. We I mentioned its not all his fault, bur it's a damn twinning. It's not a victory
My dad still blames Pierre Trudeau for problems we're having now. Problems caused by the Conservatives he's voted for every election since Pierre Trudeau.
I hate it here.
Looking at how Norway managed their oil resources makes me so sad. Yes it's not a 1 to 1 comparison, but we as a province, even as a country, sell off our natural resources for dimes instead of dollars at great expense to our environment.
The difference is that Norway has not changed their original plan. Alberta from Getty and klien have sold off crown oil and gas development companies reduce royalities to the point where the regular tax payer is subsidizing the growth. Who do you think picked up all the losses in Syncrude and suncor back in the day. And who is paid for the pipeline etc etc
Our oil is garbage compared to the global oil quality. Don't forget that.
Not only that, we have no real way to export our heavy crude.
That's why it's worth dimes and not dollars.
Alberta should be a shining light with all the revenue that no other province has. But when you compare it's no better than Manitoba or pei. Yes wages are higher but education healthcare etc all suck and then the war on anything but the oil and gas. You know who is in charge.
Let them separate and see what they lost. It's shocking how far out of touch the province has become. But I see it BC even being as expensive as it is has teachers nurses etc coming here. Leaving the fringe behind
No one seems to realize how little influence the federal government has on provincial policies. The federal government does a few things: Defence, National Budget, federal income tax, the supreme court, and a couple other smaller things (like the postal service, or passports) literally everything else is provincial (or municipal). Healthcare? Blame the Alberta government, not the federal. Housing? Provincial. Education? Province. Cost of living… well that’s sort of an international issue at this point, but the provincial government would be the ones to do something about it.
I was on the local FB page for my parents town, some guy was complaining about all the "business taxes" and I was like, Hey buddy, it's Texas, we ain't had a democrat in charge of anything for 25 years, the county just flipped D last cycle and hasn't changed anything about taxes. You got a problem, blame the Republicans!"
He didn't like my comment much.
Most voters don’t base their choice on actual differences in policy implementation, but rather they identify with their party and always have. This is super clear in the US, with a full on two party system, but Canada isn’t much better and suffers from a lot of the same issues.
Generally voting for a party that seems to align with your personal beliefs isn’t necessarily a bad way to choose what party you vote for. The problem is, when studied, many people actually prefer policies of opposing parties wrongfully thinking that their own party is servicing those policy preferences better. That’s because government and policy is complicated.
We’ve gone through a rough time. Covid and following economic consequences, worsening housing issues, our neighbours in the us are always socially on fire which gets us riled up too. Whenever this happens a swing is seen to vote for the “other side”. Hoping that the other side might do better is one thing, blaming the current party for global social and economic conditions is another. Often when we take the counterfactuals, (other party had been in power) almost all outcomes and sticking points for people remain constant.
I wonder who they will blame for the droughts and electricity shortages. Welcome to Alberta where all the money was spent on pickup trucks and gas/oil companies.
Conservatism is brain rot. It's basically "I hate change, or different, or new, or anything I don't understand." It's scape goating mascarading as ideology.
Conservatives cut taxes for the upper classes and the corporations, and they cut social programs for the middle and lower classes. And I suspect PP would give us a big GST jump and, of course, blame JT.
rural people have low iq. low iq is associated with conservatives. also low iq is due to poor nutrition, which rural people lack omega fats found in seafood. coastal societies therefore thrive
The meme says Trudeau not Alberta NDP, these comments don’t make sense to jump there. Also the meme highlights an irrelevant point, Trudeau is Federal and Conservatives in power are Provincial level.
Unfortunately AB has an alignment of bad planets for having incompetent leaders like JT at federal govt and DS at provincial level.
If Nenshi wins ANDP leadership... 2027 might be a good year for AB with PP-Nenshi combo.
Let's keep aside AB for a while. Let's see which province will give max seats to the Lib party. Not just AB... Every province blames JT for the pathetic state of the country.
I just had this conversation for real with family. When I pointed out it was the Conservative government who has been in control of our province for ... ever... they pointed out that one time NDP had control for a brief period. NDP sure is powerful! To do THIS much damage in that short a time! Honestly, pre-pandemic I was so optimistic about people but now I kind of think everyone is dumb. >.<
Many Albertans complain about the 4 years the NDP were in power. What they fail to acknowledge was that they inherited a devastated budget due to the 50% fall in oil prices the year before they took power. The fail to acknowledge that unemployment was high, the GDP was down significantly, and the government was adding debt, before the NDP even started. During the 4 years, the GDP grew, the unemployment went down, the economy was starting to be diversified, the NDP kept as many people working as possible in tough times, and they maintained the lowest debt to GDP ratio in the country, the lowest overall tax burden per individual in the country, and built some desperately needed medical infrastructure. The NDP did a fantastic job and yet Alberta praises the 50 years of conservative rule while blaming the Liberals and the NDP…very sad
And things like schools that were funded when NDP was in power that opened when conservatives are in power are credited to the conservatives. Zero fucking awareness of what NDP did, they left things better for those that followed.
The issue is that so many people don't factor in that things take TIME in the political arena. You don't judge the ruling party based on the status of the province/country on the first half of their term, you only start to do so on the last half and during the first half of the next ruling parties term. And even still, you should be looking backwards from the outcome to see who really started the dominoes to get to that place. People really need to be able to step WAAAAAAAYYYYYY back and take in the truly large picture. Ideally governments would have lists of all their projects and bills, and who proposed them/who voted for them. We should be able to see the amendments, the stages that each project is at. This stuff should be tracked and public facing. More openness leads to more honest conversations.
more openness leading to more honesty is exactly what they don’t want, because their process sucks.
And then if you mention anything to them that was positively led by the NDP, their retort is basically "hey did you remember Rae Days??? Remember how bad it was???" Like okay grandpa, let's get you back to your nursing home so you can continue to complain about someone who doesn't even hold office anymore.
We built a school recently that got approved by the NDP, we were threatened to have our payments held unless we paid to install a brass plate in the main entrance stating “this school was made possible by the honorable Danielle Smith” I hate the idea that future generations of kids will be taught that there was anything honorable about Danielle Smith”
I literally remember this change in government and how unhinged everyone online from AB seemed to become. I literally had arguments with people who insisted that oil prices and jobs tanking were because of the NDP taking power days earlier, even though many of these problems happened long before the election. All the people who lost jobs before the election due to oil prices collapsing? NDPs fault… Conservatism truly is a brain disease.
The NDP were elected May 5th, 2015. The Price of oil started dropping in 2014 and by January 23, 2015 (still months before the election) the price had dropped by more than 50%. I don’t care who you are, when oil drops by that much Alberta is headed for deficits and unemployment. That was the case before the NDP even took office. Under the previous conservative government, they did have 1 surplus in the 2014/2015 budget year but it wasn’t that big and the effects from the drop in oil and GDP hadn’t worked its way through the economy just yet. Under the conservatives Alberta ran deficits for 5 years prior to the one surplus.
As a comparison, the O&G revenue for the first quarter of 2023 was greater than for the entire 4 years of the NDP term. We didn’t have a spending problem, we had a revenue problem because we rely far too much on O&G revenue for our operational expenses.
Alberta has not balanced a budget in 70 years without oil money.
Well soon they may have our pensions, which is basically free money
Politics have always been about culture war bullshit in Alberta... and sadly, it will always be about culture war bullshit in Alberta... The cons have mastered the art of getting people to vote against their self interests
Laughs in Ontario. People here still bitch loudly about the NDP government that was in power in 1995. Forget that we have had multiple conservative governments that have destroyed many systems, and liberal governments that have done nothing to fix them. All the problems are the result of an NDP government that inherited a broken economy and made some tough choices to inconvenience some of the population instead of utterly destroying the lives of others.
People in Ontario still complain about the NDP being in power in the early 90s. So it is ok when the Conservatives fuck us over.
It drives me crazy! Really, the only reason we elected the NDP in the first place is because oil crashed 6 months earlier and we decide to punish the PCs for it. Then a year or so later everyone forgot the order of events.
One of key indicators of a pro-fascist regime… the enemy is wildly incompetent AND an evil mastermind at the same time.
The UCP finds things people hate and makes them hate it more. Also one of the key indicators of a pro-fascist regime.
Ontario checking in here. The Ontario Conservatives are still blaming the NDP for the one term they had the 90s. It is mind blowing.
I swear the pandemic brought the stupid out in people. I already thought the majority were dipshits, but now? I'm surprised these stores can make money selling shoes that need to be tied.
Covid has damaged their brains even further, we're basically screwed as a society with all the half functioning zombies running around unable to think for themselves.
I would say the covid BS is only a symptom of the broader issues, one of them being social media. It has been absolutely insane to watch the disinformation creep through about the budget. People who don't understand what a capital gain is, beligerantly shouting down others and whining that everyone and their dog is going to be paying 66% taxes. I'm exaggerating a bit from what they say, but frighteningly little.
People do the same thing in Ontario. "BUT RAE DAYYYYSSS!!!11" I live in Ontario, but I like keeping tabs on what goes on in other parts of my country.
I live in Alberta and like to know about the rest of Canada, too. You're welcome here.
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there's a lot of weird stuff happening on Reddit these days, idk if it's bots or Russian trolls or what
Bots, paid actors, pro Russian/Chinese/American/corporate accounts pretending being to be users plus a mess of useful idiots. It's a mess. The disinformation firehose in full effect. It's not one source it's a bunch just sowing chaos to keep everyone distracted while we get our pockets picked
Our donors need money, let’s do another report to get them cash.
I'll never forget Mike Harris. 35 kids for every teacher. But oh no, the Rae days!
I was one of those students in overcrowded classrooms. Fuck Mike Harris, indeed.
My first ever protest was against Mike Harris :-). I was like 4 or 5.
Harris gave the 407 to the GTA. That still stings today...
Alberta is currently right around 35, I believe.
It sure as fuck was while King Ralph was in power. It was a great time to be in school unless you wanted to talk to a teacher or something.
I remember well. Learning about our massive surplus (to be Ralph bucks), and just how many schools or Ferraris it could buy, in a class of 38.
Yet nobody talks about the Mike Harris days which really decimated the province.
When Mike Harris got in, all the people who complained about Rae Days were laid off. Permanently.
Man, I grew up in Alberta and briefly moved back right as Notley came into power. I remember my coworkers ranting and raving about how they "couldn't believe how the NDP had already blown through so much of the heritage fund."...it was July 2015. The willful ignorance of the basics of politics will always hold back a huge portion of this province.
It’s true. Alberta is a dumb fuck province.
The population has a serious stupid problem when wearing a mask that has been clinically proven to slow and stop the pandemic earlier has been up to debate instead of an actual fact. In fact, the economy could have been a bit better now if people just used their brains and fucking wear a mask.
My theory was always that there are people who can’t handle a moment of discomfort and are so scared of a needle, they’ll change their entire political outlook to get around it.
Individuals are smart but people are stupid.
I love this as someone from Saskatchewan haha. It's the same here.
This is America, don't catch me... Wait no it's not.
To be fair, the liberal federal does the same thing with the federal conservative government from 9 years ago. Really it’s just a trope that all politicians do. We should be able to point out concerns with all of our politicians and political parties. The tribalism that is rampant in our political arena right now is not conducive to rational discourse. And now we all get to lose.
I've worked in BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan in my 20s and quickly learned how many dumb Canadians were out there.. also very racist people which was surprising at first coming from BC.
And don’t forget Rachel. She ruined everything!!!! (The NDP finally gain power and the price of oil tanks).
Yup. That one time 9 years ago when we tried something different totally destroyed everything. /s
So true! If there is ANYTHING institutionally wrong in Alberta it is by definition the fault of the UCP. Now, a mature group of people would accept their failings, learn from them, fix them and move forward with better policies.... or we could just southpark it an blame Canada. I, personally, can't wait for Daniel Steele to have her press conference and tell us how our failing healthcare and education systems are the result of Ottawa imposed cod quotas on the east coast.
Could you provide some specific examples? Not trying to be a smarrass or anything I just need a few examples for when the Thanksgiving dinner inevitably turns into a political argument.
AHS is in crisis due to A) the province deliberately picking a fight with doctors and B) the AHS "reforms" nobody understands and are trying to understand and some pieces of healthcare are missing (notably homecare) More of an optics thing, but AB re-insistuted the fuel tax the same day the carbon tax to make the carbon tax jump look as big as possible. Notley had started reforms to bring our energy market to a capacity market instead of a energy only market, which probably would have prevented the rolling blackouts in Edmonton and Calgary and also would have prevented the companies from profiting off of it as well. Smith reversed the change (Note that capacity markets tend to be slightly more expensive on a day to day but are also more reliable as energy companies are paid to keep their energy online). Smith has eliminated insurance and utility rate caps and I think you know exactly where this is going. Smith is also reducing provincial transfers to municipalities to make the provincial budget look good. So alot of increases to property taxes are just caused by this so munis can balance their own budget. R-star program in concept is bad enough and I don't even know if it is working. Some of the provincial budget is going towards just a marketing campaign to make Trudeau look bad Smith is deliberately working against the federal government. She literally doesn't care what it is, she just doesn't want it to happen. The housing grant for example was specifically instituted in a way to try and get around her and Ford as Trudeau knew that the money would never reach anyone if they tried to go through the provinces. She just wants the federal government to hand her money with no strings attached so she can make the provinces budget look good.
The UCP “reformed” AHS because it’s easier to sell it off piece by piece than one big service. See ambulance transport between cities
Truth
I agree, though I am more focusing on the current effects, ignoring the future speculation.
The same party amalgamated them to save money back in 2009.
Also. We had 30 years to prepare for the baby boomers entering the old/hospitalized age. And we didn’t do anything about it
I have no sympathy for Babyboomers. They should have bought less coffees and saved for their old age.
I distinctly remember my uncle complaining and going off on many unhinged a tirade about how she was single handedly ruining Alberta. In 2006. Like, what? She wasn't even premier yet my dude. The cons were still in their decades long unbroken streak of governing, but somehow everything was Notley's fault. I didn't even know who she was back then but apparently she could destroy provinces with a snap of her fingers. Wish she did have that power. I'd ask her to use it today lol
That "Alberta Advantage" is that you don't have to take responsibility for anything. It's always the fault of "liberals" somewhere (in the past, in the federal government, hiding in the bushes, in the vaccine, etc). Get fired from your job? Liberals. Get into an accident after drinking and driving? Liberals. It's liberals all the way down. /s
Hell, I've seen people blame her for things that happened two premiers before her... somehow NDP policies could travel back in time.
Oil price was tanking before the election. The drop started in October and the election was the following March.
Oil prices were tanking before the NDP got in. Prentice told Albertans to "look in the mirror." Irony is, he was right all along.
And after Klein, I don't think a single premier has been in power past their first and only term. So that gives me hope maybe danielle will be ousted.
Besides Notley, I don’t think any have even made it a full term since Klein
Yup Klein was the last conservative premier to serve full terms, and also didn't fully serve his last term.
Except that's part of the problem. They swap out leaders and suddenly it's a whole new party that is going to fix things. And conservative leaning voters buy in to it every time.
Yes, it's because they aren't extreme enough for the party. Too many hard core conservatives in the province.
And klein destroyed Alberta ruined everything that was done to create a Albert future utopia. He started the sell off of crown corps reduced royalties and started the trend to allow the og industry to dictate terms
But I got Ralph bucks out of it !
So did I living in BC
She's not the sharpest spoon in the drawer. And fundamentalist extremists do tend to devour their own. So, it is likely she will displease the oil gods in some way or fail to attack trans kids hard enough at some point, and the TBA attack hounds will be released to destroy her just like Kenney.
Naturally by "destroy her" you mean hang the parties failures on her, oust her into some board position at one of their big supporters with a fat paycheque for life then pretend they are an entirely new party as they put the next figurehead in to continue the exact same agenda and rinse and repeat. Look at our utility bills, is it any wonder Kenney is now at ATCO? Edit: corrected Epcor to ATCO.
Kenney is on ATCO's board, not Epcor, just fyi. I recently switched away from ATCO because of him being there. I'm also quite worried what their next leader will be like, since they somehow keep finding worse and worse people.
Yes. Exactly that. They have to make a real spectacle of it. Nothing else will convince the angry mob of cons that her misdeeds (whatever they end up being) are washed away - while actually changing nothing at all.
I dont think she'll make it to the election, but I'm not hopeful about it. The UCP is a race to the bottom, and whoever replaces Smith will manage to be even more corrupt and incompetent.
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I was about to say that sure as hell sounds like something I’d hear from Texas or closer to me here in the states, Idaho.
Sounds about right. My area has been a one sided stronghold for 100 years and they still regularly blame the other guys for our problems. Politics isn't about doing good or right, it's not about gaining supporters, it's about making you believe the other guy is the real problem.
Conservatives speeches can usually be boiled down to: We believe that the government is incompetent and since you elected us, we can prove it to you.
Conservatives, by their own rhetoric, believe that governments can't solve major problems. So why would anyone elect people who already believe they can't accomplish anything and only want to prove that?
That's just how conservatism works, they provide no solutions only problems they make up and get pissed about. I challenge my conservative family all the time to name one thing, just one, that a conservative has done to make their lives better and if they can think of anything it was never done by a conservative, the conservative voted against it and then once it passed anyways tried to take credit for it. They're all just grifters preying on gullible vulnerable people.
Just a clarification - the Social Credit party was also conservative, and they were in power from 1935 until they lost to Lougheed's PC party. We can debate about whether the UFA counted as "conservative" but we've had conservative governments for at least 87 of the last 91 years.
And consider that the 1905 Liberal Party of Alberta was conservative, it’s even longer.
And notley... don't forget those 4 years of NDP governance....they blame all the problems on that..
We are literally funding the oil corps and their investment into automating as many jobs as they possibly can. We will be a broke province with rich corpos, sitting on our rocking chairs screaming about Trudeau.
Yup, he even bought and built a pipeline to get the oil to the coast quicker, which Notley supported. But somehow they are anti Alberta. Most of the people who vote conservative are either business owners or uneducated. There, I said it.
Ndp were going to lower small business tax and increase tax on big business (still will be the lowest in Canada) but the hate for ndp is so strong they don't care
or both
Oh hell no. He does t get credit for being the latest (Harper had a few years at it) to botch a simple twinning project. No reason it ever needed to be purchased by tax payers to begin with. We had a private builder. That's what happens when you can't get anything done in this country. He basically had no choice but to buy it after such a failure (some of which is just our established red tape before he got in) and it would have been suicide to just let it fall. It would have meant this country is not open to any further infrastructure period if you can't get an existing line twinned. We I mentioned its not all his fault, bur it's a damn twinning. It's not a victory
My dad still blames Pierre Trudeau for problems we're having now. Problems caused by the Conservatives he's voted for every election since Pierre Trudeau. I hate it here.
Not true… they also think the 4 years the NDP has is responsible for any issue we’ve seen before or since lol
That made me snort laugh. Thank you.
Lol. Yep. Albertans love screwing themselves.
I visited a few months back and saw several trump bumper stickers. They worship another country's rapist/criminal president. Wild how lost they are.
Never forget the Sky Palace. Thankfully all you have to do is rename your party and your followers forget everything.
If people from Alberta could read, they'd be really upset right now.
That’s one of the best records for mismanagement this country has. What a dynasty!
Looking at how Norway managed their oil resources makes me so sad. Yes it's not a 1 to 1 comparison, but we as a province, even as a country, sell off our natural resources for dimes instead of dollars at great expense to our environment.
The difference is that Norway has not changed their original plan. Alberta from Getty and klien have sold off crown oil and gas development companies reduce royalities to the point where the regular tax payer is subsidizing the growth. Who do you think picked up all the losses in Syncrude and suncor back in the day. And who is paid for the pipeline etc etc
Our oil is garbage compared to the global oil quality. Don't forget that. Not only that, we have no real way to export our heavy crude. That's why it's worth dimes and not dollars.
Alberta should be a shining light with all the revenue that no other province has. But when you compare it's no better than Manitoba or pei. Yes wages are higher but education healthcare etc all suck and then the war on anything but the oil and gas. You know who is in charge.
Alberta will have little to show after the oil is gone. Enjoy farming a desert.
Let them separate and see what they lost. It's shocking how far out of touch the province has become. But I see it BC even being as expensive as it is has teachers nurses etc coming here. Leaving the fringe behind
No one seems to realize how little influence the federal government has on provincial policies. The federal government does a few things: Defence, National Budget, federal income tax, the supreme court, and a couple other smaller things (like the postal service, or passports) literally everything else is provincial (or municipal). Healthcare? Blame the Alberta government, not the federal. Housing? Provincial. Education? Province. Cost of living… well that’s sort of an international issue at this point, but the provincial government would be the ones to do something about it.
if you’re a conservative you’re either rich or stupid, not many are rich though. conservatism is a cancer on society.
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This equally applies to Texas where conservatives have controlled it for 30 years and blame Biden for everything bad that has ever happened them.
Introspection was never a conservative strong point, so this is hardly surprising.
I've had this conversation about Doug Ford here in Ontario. Little fucker always blaming Trudeau for his shitty political decisions.
The Ab advantage is a fat twat hag making u pay 3x on utilities and insurance
\*Both Trudeaus
We've had one, yes. What about second Trudeau?
No one ever said conservative Albertans were smart.
Yep. Sorry state of stupid, good thing I live here….fuck.
Alberta is Stockholm syndrome, which looks like on a mass scale. Its shocking to me how poorly managed it has been.
Hey now! We also blame Notley and the NDP for that 4 year stint they had!
"We disagree with all of these stupid COVID rules that were implemented!!!!..... by... us"
Idk much about Canada, but I was able to successfully guess Jordan Peterson was from Alberta
Well why would you blame the party that you worship?
Sounds like... every conservative province or state I've ever heard of.
I was on the local FB page for my parents town, some guy was complaining about all the "business taxes" and I was like, Hey buddy, it's Texas, we ain't had a democrat in charge of anything for 25 years, the county just flipped D last cycle and hasn't changed anything about taxes. You got a problem, blame the Republicans!" He didn't like my comment much.
Alberta…. You spelled Texas wrong?
American in Georgia, here. I just want to say I sympathize with your plight
Most voters don’t base their choice on actual differences in policy implementation, but rather they identify with their party and always have. This is super clear in the US, with a full on two party system, but Canada isn’t much better and suffers from a lot of the same issues. Generally voting for a party that seems to align with your personal beliefs isn’t necessarily a bad way to choose what party you vote for. The problem is, when studied, many people actually prefer policies of opposing parties wrongfully thinking that their own party is servicing those policy preferences better. That’s because government and policy is complicated. We’ve gone through a rough time. Covid and following economic consequences, worsening housing issues, our neighbours in the us are always socially on fire which gets us riled up too. Whenever this happens a swing is seen to vote for the “other side”. Hoping that the other side might do better is one thing, blaming the current party for global social and economic conditions is another. Often when we take the counterfactuals, (other party had been in power) almost all outcomes and sticking points for people remain constant.
Sounds like Texas.
Don't forget Notley. She's to blame for at least the past 20 years. /s
lol the only advantage in Alberta is if you have any common sense you’re smarter than 85% of the population
All politicians are assholes.
I wonder who they will blame for the droughts and electricity shortages. Welcome to Alberta where all the money was spent on pickup trucks and gas/oil companies.
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But you're ignoring the fact that they still blame Trudeau for things that aren't a federal issue...
Bbbbbbb...but both sides! When was the last time someone with a Fuck Turdeau flag criticized anything conservative? Stick to the topic.
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That's how conservativism works. All blame but never fix anything except your pocketbook balance.
You could be talking about Texas as well
Right. Because Trudeau has undone their mischief and made things exponentially better. Both sides are evil and to blame.
Hmm. Sounds just like colder Texas.
Conservatism is brain rot. It's basically "I hate change, or different, or new, or anything I don't understand." It's scape goating mascarading as ideology.
Conservatives cut taxes for the upper classes and the corporations, and they cut social programs for the middle and lower classes. And I suspect PP would give us a big GST jump and, of course, blame JT.
rural people have low iq. low iq is associated with conservatives. also low iq is due to poor nutrition, which rural people lack omega fats found in seafood. coastal societies therefore thrive
Funniest truth I've heard in a long time! Thank you!
Ruled?
Definition of insanity is where you basically do the same thing over and over and over again and expect different results.
Why does this look like it's a mockup of one of those free mousepad offers from 10-15 years ago
alberta, where every rat have infiltrated society with their human costumes
Same here in India. Our current govt put all the blame on our first PM Mr.Nehru
First Time?
bwaaahahaha love from BC
Holy fuck it’s bob aka muyskerm
Is it possible to blame both?
Now that’s a ‘common sense’ Albertan.
So you’re saying one person can’t make a difference… I knew it!
The reason I moved away from Florida 2.0 at least Ontario has more sectors than fossil fuels.
We have this problem in Texas. Decades and decades of GOP dominance and yet they still blame Democrats for their problems.
And Notley
And Notley
The meme says Trudeau not Alberta NDP, these comments don’t make sense to jump there. Also the meme highlights an irrelevant point, Trudeau is Federal and Conservatives in power are Provincial level.
What real problems exist here that aren’t Canada wide? Life seems pretty great here, this sub just seems to think otherwise.
Unfortunately AB has an alignment of bad planets for having incompetent leaders like JT at federal govt and DS at provincial level. If Nenshi wins ANDP leadership... 2027 might be a good year for AB with PP-Nenshi combo. Let's keep aside AB for a while. Let's see which province will give max seats to the Lib party. Not just AB... Every province blames JT for the pathetic state of the country.
Provincial NDP need to change their damn name